veteran-class

[woven geode]

Ahh

[strange sparrow]

Hmm

[woven geode]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ae83beb-ef3d-4814-beb0-ab6db1080129/vet-12

this is my build

any thoughts?

wish i had 1 more skill point for confirmed kill

[strange sparrow]

Any Perks/Blessing to make further breakpoint?

[sharp ember]

looks like a fine build overall, i would drop comp urge or rending strikes to get CK, it's important for survivability

[woven geode]

what does rending even do xD

[sharp ember]

other than the ammo, this gun has good rolls with the flak and onslaught built-in, I would change reload to Maniac for important specials and dreg ragers

[dusty sluice]

whats the difference between the two new shovels currently?

[sharp ember]

it improves the damage of your gun if it deals less than 100% of its base damage to an enemy

[woven geode]

:oo

[sharp ember]

if you view the Stopping Power stat or check the ingame damage table, you can compare

[raven crane]

Basically armor penetration for just you.

[sharp ember]

if your gun only deals 50% damage to an armor type, +10% rending will make you deal 60% damage total instead

[crude ermine]

Brittleness is basically that but on a teamscale

[raven crane]

Yeah

[woven geode]

is krak grenade good enough for horde clear

if i have a ton of them

xD

[crude ermine]

Shredder is the preferred for hordes, Krak is better with armour

[raven crane]

Braced autogun go BRRRRRRRRRRT

[woven geode]

i save a skill point by using krak

which gives me CK

[sharp ember]

it's ok to drop one if you have spares, it'll kill whatever's directly on top of it and slightly stagger things around

won't wipe out a horde but if they're tightly packed it'll kill some things

[woven geode]

how much smaller is its radius compared for frag?

[sharp ember]

like 80% smaller

[raven crane]

In my experience you can use krak on groups but it has a smaller radius and harder to keep unarmed targets near it until it explodes

[sharp ember]

it's basically a single target weapon

[raven crane]

Yeah

[woven geode]

ah fuck

[raven crane]

It's an armor killer

[dusty sluice]

anyone?

[thick rose]

I don't understand how zealots can play a character that can only look like some medieval court jester dipshit

[sharp ember]

mk3 has horde clear lights and 1 strikedown heavy
mk7 has combination lights and horde clear heavies
they both have a folding spike, but note the mk3 rips the spike out faster after a heavy attack

[raven crane]

I don't know how anyone can think zealots have any drip

[dusty sluice]

any clue of how to get crusher one hits with them?

[raven crane]

They have a little but hardly any.

[sharp ember]

the easiest way is Limbsplitter + Thrust blessing with carapace perk

[woven geode]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ae83beb-ef3d-4814-beb0-ab6db1080129/vet-12

I gave up superiority complex and +25% ammo for redirect fire + rending

[sharp ember]

you can do it without Limbsplitter, but it takes a godroll shovel and a talent build specialized for it

[dusty sluice]

what one would you recommend?

[dusty sluice]

i see

[sharp ember]

i like them both, but mk3 is probably easier to use

because of the faster spike ripping

less dangerous to try spiking something with multiple enemies around

[dusty sluice]

ah oki

whats the combos for it?

[sharp ember]

it's not very complex

just swing away and use the heavy overhead when needed

the mk3 spike special combos into a heavy overhead

one of my shovels kills a mauler with that combo without limbsplitter

[dusty sluice]

oh nice

would this work?

[sharp ember]

Uncanny Strike + Decimator/Skullcrusher for general use, or Thrust/Limbsplitter if you wanna try to 1shot big elites

[sharp ember]

that is a fine weapon

[dusty sluice]

yay

[dusty sluice]

what abt take a swing?

[sharp ember]

personally don't like it when i tried it

but at least one person here said they liked it

[frank ether]

I dont understand why you'd want decimator on a mk3 shovel

[dusty sluice]

hm?

[sharp ember]

it's just a simple no-thoughts-required blessing

[junior needle]

Presumably so it could actually clear

[dusty sluice]

this is why

[frank ether]

why not thrust

[junior needle]

Aren't the heavies for the mk3 strikedowns

Or is that just the doink

[sharp ember]

mark doesn't matter for Thrust usage

since you're gonna use the spike

[frank ether]

Idk if you're using mk3 for cleave

I think its just the wrong choice

[junior needle]

Not so much using it for clearing, as opposed to using one of your slots to not have your clear be dog

[sharp ember]

yeah pretty much

[dusty sluice]

would skullcrusher be better?

[sharp ember]

mk3 Heavy > Light loop isn't very different from mk7 heavy spam

performance-wise they're still both shovels trying to clear a horde

[dusty sluice]

yeah lmao

[sharp ember]

either skullcrusher or decimator is fine

whatever you can get your hands on

[cedar pecan]

should I cop this? The rolls aren't perfect but that perk looks neat

[crude ermine]

I'd grab it

[sharp ember]

really good base

[frank ether]

wouldn't thrust work just fine then?

[junior needle]

15k plasteel later

[frank ether]

it doesn't have the widest swings anyways

[junior needle]

Hope I don't get fucko'd out of breakpoints

[rain badger]

PS damage limits aren’t very wide, so I’d grab that in a heartbeat

[cedar pecan]

Yea already grabbed it

let's see what Hadron does with it

[shadow aurora]

Maniac?

[cedar pecan]

Is rampage good on PS?

[crude ermine]

It's not horrible, but it could be better

[cedar pecan]

Got it on tier 4 just now

this is the final result

[crude ermine]

Hmm

[sharp ember]

for the purposes of horde fighting, i'd rather swing at max speed to keep them staggered, not to say that Thrust won't partially help when you keep your heavy held because there's nothing in range yet

[strange grove]

Need rank 4 power cycler and Sunder

[sharp ember]

that's a fine holdover psword

[dusty sluice]

woundn't bm be better than sunder?

[strange grove]

Sunder gives more cleave not relying on weakspot hits

[dusty sluice]

ig

[sharp ember]

i would leave the perks as-is if you want to hold onto this to replace with optimal blessings later

[cedar pecan]

alright

sad that it still got semi-bricked since I can't keep anything besides maniac

so one thing will always be sub-optimal

[sharp ember]

I wonder if the Rampage 4 bug still exists

heard instead of +36% power it gave like +96% power

you'll probably feel it if it still does

[vernal harbor]

PC4 is needed because half the time you get robbed of an energized hit so basically you have a perfect PC3 most the time

[radiant linden]

PC4 and BM works wonders

you barely get robbed on the last hit with it

[junior needle]

Huh?

[frank ether]

I think at that point I'd rather just get the old shovel you know

but Idk

I havent done through testing

I just know thrust+limb combo one shots big game

[sharp ember]

actually why were we talking about Thrust as if we couldn't have 2 blessings

unless we were assuming Uncanny Strike is a mandatory blessing

Thrust + some other anti-horde blessing is a great generalist pair for spike shovels

you just have to settle for Crusher 2-shots which is perfectly fine if it improves your fighting ability against everything else

[midnight totem]

I have thrust 4 and decimator on my shovel

Decimator is hilarious after a thrust 4 heavy opener on a horde

I also have Slaughter on my power sword along power cycler 4

Gonna see how it goes

Or would bm be better?

[junior needle]

BM is currently the undisputed clear king

Due to letting you get first target damage on more targets

Unless they remove that interaction, it's not going to change anytime

[signal pier]

which is the better chainsword currently XIIIg or IV?

[shadow aurora]

Personally id choose reload speed over maniac

Melee would be better for it

[celest vine]

You should be able to

Dreg gunners have more HP

[junior needle]

I was under the impression you needed maniac for breakpoints

[shadow aurora]

On what

Ragers?

[sharp ember]

i find them equal, but mk13g is pickier about blessings and does not like Rampage without running Wrath to support it

[shadow aurora]

Having a perk just for a single variation of an emeny is a bit of a waste

Reload speed would be a bit more useful imo

[junior needle]

I dunno, I saw flak/maniac as recommended. There's not exactly any great resource for breakpoints for every weapon

[sharp ember]

does revolver 1 headshot flamers without maniac perk and without a crit

[shadow aurora]

I believe so

Not like flamers are very tanky

Ill check in grinder rq

[jade notch]

Well dang, it's on my Zealot but I'll take it. Thanks Brunt and Hadron

[strange sparrow]

No

I play enough zealot to be annoyed at 3 hp flamer

[shadow aurora]

Wait nvm misread

Really?

Oh snap it doesn't

Mb

It still does with crit tho and that revolver has surgical

[zealous wyvern]

ragers, flamers, mutants, trappers

and maulers

[limber egret]

this for veteran when

[zealous wyvern]

i dont think 25% damage to some of the most dangerous enemies in darktide is bad

[shadow aurora]

Maulers do not have maniac

[zealous wyvern]

ah

still

[shadow aurora]

And mutants take thrice damage from melee so using ammos a waste

[zealous wyvern]

usually sure

not always

reload speed has nothing on that breakpoint cracking though

[shadow aurora]

Okay so we're choosing maniac for killing an enemy youd almost never shoot an enemy you can one tap with surgical and dreg ragers over reload speed for a weapon with notoriously bad reload

[zealous wyvern]

yes

[shadow aurora]

Okay we will agree to disagree then

[granite dove]

Praetorian guard for veteran is what is most needed

[zealous wyvern]

breakpoints mean you spend less bullets per enemy - > less reloads necessary - > less time reloading

damage when hitting breakpoints is an indirect buff to reload

also youre saying this like ragers dont end runs

[shadow aurora]

You are getting more ammo efficiency when fighting ragers and thats pretty much it

[zealous wyvern]

no

you are getting lifesaving seconds and ammo efficiency when fighting ragers

[shadow aurora]

Dude you can one tap flamers with surgical lmao

Ragers come in flak too

[strange grove]

Never hopefully. Looks like the Brits from 1776 war

[zealous wyvern]

and i am speaking about ragers right now

not flamers

[shadow aurora]

It is a single enemy my guy

Flak or reload would be better

[zealous wyvern]

a very common fatal enemy

[crisp rapids]

flak elite dmg 🙏

sitll wont oneshot

but reload speed good

[strange grove]

Maniac is also tox flamers and mutants. Worth taking maniac

[crisp rapids]

u dont really kill muties with revolver

[shadow aurora]

If you are choosing maniac because you cant deal with ragers im sorry but theres a massive skissue

[crisp rapids]

at elast i never had to

[shadow aurora]

Surgical instas and melee does triple damage

[crisp rapids]

i much rather have reload speed.

[zealous wyvern]

ranged dmg on mutants is not for killing them directly

[strange grove]

Choosing maniac over which perk?

[crisp rapids]

reload speed.

[strange grove]

And for what weapon?

[shadow aurora]

Reload

[crisp rapids]

revorver

[shadow aurora]

Revolver

Not cowboy revolver

Just reg

[strange grove]

Oh take flak and carapace. Fuck reload speed

[zealous wyvern]

its to save teammates who got mutanted while you are too far to melee

also revolver reload being slow is a joke right

its completely fine

plasma and bolter are slow

[shadow aurora]

Its slow enough to warrant reload over maniac

[crisp rapids]

skill issue taking carapace

u really dont need it

[dusty sluice]

whats the reccomended blessings for kantrael on vet?

[patent swift]

Anyone aware if the special attack on chain sword/axe will proc onslaught?

[crisp rapids]

its 2 enemies that are easely dealt with even without carapace dmg

[strange grove]

I only run revolver on HS6 zealot, so I like the carapace damage

[shadow aurora]

Carapace isnt horrible

[crisp rapids]

i run revolver on smitepsyker, surgical handcannon does enough against carapace

[shadow aurora]

Id choose weakspot damage personally

[zealous wyvern]

shotgun or lasgun

[shadow aurora]

Or unyielding

[crisp rapids]

iirc weakspot, crit dmg elite dmg perks are kinda weirdly done

the maths behind them

reload speed flak

is good

or straight up elite dmg + flak

[strange grove]

Isn’t reload speed only 10%?

[crisp rapids]

10% is good

[shadow aurora]

Yeah flak reload is good

[low lava]

oh is elite dmg perk broken

[strange grove]

lol……

[shadow aurora]

^

[low lava]

I thought it was meh because it caps out at 10%

[dusty sluice]

shotgun

mb

[crisp rapids]

the math behind the special dmg, crit dmg, weakspot dmg are weird

[shadow aurora]

How so

[crisp rapids]

iirc someone said this about 10% extra crit dmg:

150 base dmg, 200 dmg when crit
which means the crit is a 50 dmg buff

so add 10% on that 50.

[low lava]

I know crit and weakspot dmg is only calculated on the extra dmg you get from hitting the weakpoint/crit

not the entire damage basically

[crisp rapids]

so 10% crit dmg -> 205

elite dmg i am not soo sure

[shadow aurora]

Thats fucked

[low lava]

Elite dmg seems to work fine

[crisp rapids]

i think its properlly done elite dmg. cannot testify

[shadow aurora]

Fatshart please fix your game

[crisp rapids]

id 100% run crit dmg +crit chance on my surge voidstrike if it wasnt so stupid

[strange grove]

Yea I run flak and crit % on mine

[crisp rapids]

havent felt the need of critchance on a revolver, (altho i do have a 80% crit bonus roll on mine)

surgical seems enuf

[low lava]

haven't ran a revolver ever but I'm sure by the time I get a decent one the nerfbat will already have hit

[shadow aurora]

Revolver already got nerfed

Didnt it?

[strange grove]

Hopefully recon and bolter gets love

They nerfed carapace damage

[crisp rapids]

not enough

[shadow aurora]

Whats wrong with bolter

[strange sparrow]

Revolver nerf only impacted Cara

[crisp rapids]

tooo slow / clunky

[low lava]

Revolver is still the most common sidearm I've seen so probably not enough lol

[strange grove]

Outclassed by plasma

[shadow aurora]

Fair

[crisp rapids]

even for psykers revolver is a solid option

[strange grove]

Pulling it out takes ten years

[crisp rapids]

and reloading another 10

[dusty sluice]

most people don't know what to run on it

[shadow aurora]

I use revolver all the time on psyker

[strange sparrow]

I mean revolver is just there for you to kill elite/special

[low lava]

Doesn't stop them from doing it though lol

[strange sparrow]

And you could have a lot better option with other class rn

[crisp rapids]

it shouldnt be soo good all classes use it for every build

[strange sparrow]

Vet? Just run plasma or Autogun

[low lava]

I think it's just the crutch for people bad at dealing with crushers or running weapons that can't deal with crushers

[strange sparrow]

Psyker? Just get a staff

[low lava]

Heavy sword and Dclaw enjoyers malding basically

[strange sparrow]

Duelling sword player be like

[crisp rapids]

revolver is just very good

[strange sparrow]

As if I scare of anything

[sharp ember]

we love parrying crushers

[crisp rapids]

DS4 annihlates crushers

[strange grove]

My HS6 does jack to crushers, so I take the revolver on it

[crisp rapids]

and i sitll run revolver

[strange grove]

HS6 like 200 damage crit weakspot on carapace

[low lava]

but yea, revolver good

[strange grove]

But 1200 to maniac

Makes sense lol

[strange sparrow]

Revolver rending nerf make me stop playing revolver on zealot against crusher or just run Heavy Evis over Heavy sword

It’s not that great against crusher stack atm

Too slow to kill

[crisp rapids]

the rending nerf didnt affect much vets tho, they can still one tap them with a good roll

and build

[strange sparrow]

I mean I don’t run Vets revolver so I wouldn’t know

And just pretty rare to see people do Vet revolver

[strange grove]

Vrak7 and agri IAG are the only vet weapons I use lol

[dusty sluice]

wait really?

[low lava]

Vet has rending talent so I can see that

[crisp rapids]

prety sure yeah but u need a godroll

80%dmg, 80%pen, 80%critbonus

a lil bit of leeway

but like only 1%

its tight af

[strange sparrow]

Also just get an autogun considering revolver bad reload speed

[crisp rapids]

at oleast according ot psyker chat (aka schizo-land)

[strange sparrow]

Especially for Veteran, as Crit doesn’t refund you bullet anymore

Only for LasGun

[strange grove]

Any1 know if new shovels can baseball the poxbursters?

Or only old?

[crisp rapids]

it never did

[serene orbit]

Guess I'm trying out shotgun

[crisp rapids]

hopoefully hadron doesnt brick it

[strange grove]

Don’t jynx yourself

[serene orbit]

im sure she will

[low lava]

Even if hadron bricks it at least it's only a lawbringer

[serene orbit]

Not bad

[low lava]

I think for that one people run scattershot+manstopper for the cleave memes

[shadow aurora]

I wish shotguns were stronger

[serene orbit]

heck

[shadow aurora]

Lawbringer rn is pretty weak

[low lava]

honestly the perks are fine enough

[serene orbit]

no u

reads username

[strange sparrow]

Probably misread it somewhere in the older guide

[shadow aurora]

[low lava]

Lawbringer is pretty vanilla, left forgotten after they added new shotguns in classic fatshark balancing

just like the Obscurus force sword lol

[dusty sluice]

i use this on zealot and it 2-3 hits crushers

[strange grove]

Crits do refund ammo tho ||Shocktrooper ||

[shadow aurora]

Ill change my name once lawbringer gets the treatment it deserves

[low lava]

I haven't ran it myself yet but scattershot+manstopper+ alt fire does seem like it has some decent synergy for horde clear

whether dumping a limited resource into a horde is a good idea is a different story... but you take what you can get

[next relic]

any shotgun builds for veteran?

[shadow aurora]

It does but its primary fire is really pathetic

[shadow aurora]

Yeah i got one lemme find it

[low lava]

Kantrael + no respite is pretty good

[next relic]

okay and any revolver builds?

[low lava]

flakiac to hit breakpoints on specials

[next relic]

im trying to decide whether i want zealot or veteran

[low lava]

Kantrael also has the nice bonus of being able to ignore bulwark shields with the alt fire flame rounds too

[crisp rapids]

flak reload speed does fine

on revlver

[crude ermine]

I have a nice mf build I like to use with revolver

[serene orbit]

Do people still use Helbores? I can't remember the last time I've seen one in a game

[low lava]

Last time I saw one was a bayonyet memer

[shadow aurora]

Krak nade for carapace and fire team. Infiltrate cqk and fte with middle keystone

And tatical reload for atrocious reload speed

[next relic]

i dont know what any of that means

[shadow aurora]

Oops

[next relic]

i've been playing for 2 hours

i meant skills

[shadow aurora]

Ok gimme a sec

[next relic]

skills i need to build into..

[shadow aurora]

For like the gun or your tree

[low lava]

Honestly, you just need a reload skill, and it should be enough

shotgun doesn't really have much interaction with veteran tree tbh

[serene orbit]

if they've been playing for 2 hours im not sure they need to worry about either atm

[shadow aurora]

Tatical reload helps alot with the bad reload speed just make sure you never run dry

[next relic]

ty

[dusty sluice]

what abt the second blessing?

[midnight totem]

Would you say it's rather... obscure?

[serene sage]

this is for the Agripinaa Shotgun, not just any shotguns

[shadow aurora]

Get out

[serene sage]

don't be so grim

[low lava]

Deathspitter, Fire Frenzy, or Full bore are all good

[shadow aurora]

Dont say dark

[dusty sluice]

i do

[midnight totem]

-infiltrates-

[serene sage]

dark, even

[dusty sluice]

scattershot?

[serene sage]

it depends on the gun

[low lava]

Not worth, the fire dmg isn't really affected by crit, scattershot would only affect the normal shots

[thick rose]

every time im looking at that ortbital load screen, I want a mission set in the outskirts, down among the highway or train lines out amongst all the industrial buildings... I wonder if they could do a mission with 2 squads and double the enemies, bigger open spaces... 😮

[strange grove]

Hellbore needs love too. Like not fiddling with the safety 100x a mission

[dusty sluice]

oki

[serene sage]

agri don't want scatter

agri is really a bolter with extra steps

[midnight totem]

Testing my new power sword, power cycler 4 feels so damn good

[low lava]

Agri is a bolt action revolver

[strange grove]

Get sunder with it

[midnight totem]

Brutal momentum also makes even the normal attacks feel meaty on the head, holy shit

The weapon itself is still kinda unwieldy though, I can't hold a horde with the same ease as my chainsword

[serene sage]

it's just the absurd damage it does that gives you the safety

[low lava]

are you running mk6 or mk3

[midnight totem]

mk6

[serene sage]

don't have to worry about being hit if everything in your swing radius is dead when you are out of charge

[midnight totem]

I probably just need more practice with it

[low lava]

yea, just get used to slide dodging with it so you negate the slowdown when you charge

[strange sparrow]

Psword work different compared to other weapon

I turn off my brain and wait for audio que for other

[strange grove]

With sunder you get the cleave without needing to hit weak spots

[strange sparrow]

Psword need to charge up ->Dodge Slide and strike

[dusty sluice]

how is 3?

[serene sage]

good but not as good

[thick rose]

is agri revolver just... bad?

[low lava]

3 is more braindead to use, 6 has a higher skill floor but better in every way imo

[midnight totem]

although, I suppose I got too greedy trying to melee gunners in my last match

[serene sage]

people like the 6 because it can 2 shot crushers

[midnight totem]

and that was part of it

[serene sage]

isn't agri the old one?

or are we talking the fanfire one

[thick rose]

the braced one is agri, isnt it?

[midnight totem]

charging at 4 spread out gunners like I'm an Ogryn

[dusty sluice]

in what way is it braindead?

[strange grove]

Agri new one. Zarona old one

[serene sage]

i stand corrected

[strange sparrow]

Agri Revolver is good and bad at the same time

[low lava]

Charge > Spam heavies for horde clear, heavies are infinitely horizontal chains. Also the power up doesn't slow you down either

[strange sparrow]

What do you want it to do

[low lava]

The power up is also slightly faster than the mk6, but the mk6 can block cancel the charge animation for more safety

[serene sage]

replace the awful crosshair with a mod

and maybe it's better?

[strange grove]

Mk6 can also power up when blocking

[low lava]

Also mk6 has a higher block modifier too

[strange grove]

I’d build an Mk3 if I didn’t like my standard issue shovel so much

[thick rose]

starting to think theyll nerf the psword before I can get ps4

[strange grove]

Poking mutants mid charge is great

[serene sage]

tbf, they should

[thick rose]

im happy with dclaw, shovel and rashad in general though

[low lava]

They already did before, release power sword mk3 was something else lol

[serene sage]

and then they will buff something else to OP status

we are just taking turns

of what being OP

[strange grove]

Like the plasma getting 100 cleave

[strange sparrow]

I don’t even know how would they nerf Psword

[dusty sluice]

the no slow down kinda makes me want to use it

[strange sparrow]

It’s good because it’s blessing

[serene sage]

or the revolver getting hand canon and a ridiculous damage table

[strange grove]

But in Fatsharks world a revolver out damaged a bolter

[low lava]

honestly they should just remove power cycler 4 and bake it into some hard to get talent deep in the vet tree, so anyone can access it without RNG

[serene sage]

society 😔

[thick rose]

I just wish fatshark would get happy and start releasing some totally new weapons, wild ones... like grenade launchers or meltas or something

[low lava]

Fatshark and powercreep DLC is a tried and true tradition

[thick rose]

is 2024 the year of NEW stuff, not just moth eaten shit

[serene sage]

melta probably goes to Zealot maybe

probably shared

cause they need an ranged anti-Carapace option

i know they have the weird chastise bolter trick

[low lava]

Release Sister of Thorns was pretty obscene

[serene sage]

but that's gimmicky

[dusty sluice]

is the mk3 bad, or is it just not the best?

[low lava]

and of course the javelins until now

[serene sage]

the latter

[low lava]

MK3 powersword is good, MK6 is better if you're comfortable with it. Both are probably in top5 vet melees

[serene sage]

you can't headpoke crushers, but it's still a powersowrd

[dusty sluice]

i just really don't enjoy the slowdown on the mk6 lol

[hollow ibex]

the problem with mk3 is just that mk6 is straight up better lol

[serene sage]

play combat axe, problem solved

[low lava]

Just learn how to sprint slide

It's applicable to all power weapons, not just mk6

[dusty sluice]

i can, but often when blocked by a horde its difficult to do

[serene sage]

how do you sprint slide? don't you just sprint and then slide?

[junior needle]

The 3 has the downside of needing to heavy attack, which adds more time to actually start meleeing in addition to the charge

[hollow ibex]

block cancel

[low lava]

Sprint slide to hide the slowdown, in a horde you just sort of get used to the slowdown. Powersword already sort of has shitty dodges so it's not really that much of a difference from Mk3

[junior needle]

Blocked as in body blocked

You need to dodge backward with the psword, side dodges are shit on it

[dusty sluice]

ig

[low lava]

Being body blocked probably means suspicious positioning

[strange grove]

Aren’t power axes a thing? We need one

[junior needle]

They are

[serene sage]

or a simply lack of VoC

[low lava]

But yea, Power sword mentality is kill em all, and try not to put yourself in a situation where you can;t kill them all in time

or like fox said, shout things at them lol

[strange grove]

That’s why I like shovel more

Everything stays away

And I can poke crushers for stagger

[dusty sluice]

(the zealot is just watching and not helping)

this happens so much

[serene sage]

it's a surprising maturity of this community that we still don't have fart revert mod for VoC

[low lava]

Nah, the zealot probably popped stealth

and now you have to deal with his mess

[serene sage]

I thought that would have been the first thing out when it's announced

[dusty sluice]

i keep having this happen, where people just stand back and don't help with what they are supposed to do

i keep dying bc i think i'm playing zealot too, its very hard to switch after 400hrs lmao

[low lava]

Melee veteran=Zealot 4th class

[serene sage]

that's me, if there is a clusterfuck im not joining, people don't know how to control yourself and someone will inevitably stab a barrel, or a poxbuster, or get trapped by a trapper

i just stand way back and wait

[dusty sluice]

huh

[serene sage]

maybe throw a moral support nade

[thick rose]

NOT ONE STEP BACK!

[low lava]

Just waiting for someone to mod in kruber shouts

OI

BY TAAL, FIGHT, KILL, DEATH

[thick rose]

cutthroat is the pinnacle, why downgrade?

[white vault]

Yea if I hear a pox burster and I don't trust the team yet I am out of there

[gusty grail]

I got all excited for Zealot when I figured out how to do 1000 dmg with the Reshaad light attack (thus killing 4 shotgunners per swing) but then I played vet again and was like "oh I can shoot them faster)

[serene sage]

bolter can one tap em

[thick rose]

it took me a long time to get into the IAGs but now I dunno if I can go back

[gusty grail]

Bolter is really bad pls don't

[serene sage]

wdym you can literally one tap ragers

[low lava]

I used Agripina IAG back when everyone ran Kantrael 12 as meta lol

[white vault]

Yea I went back to the bolter and honestly I would rather just plasma

[low lava]

or bolter

IAGs always old reliable

[serene sage]

i don't blame you, plasma and revolver are really overtuned right now

[gusty grail]

Bolter enjoyer: oh look a rager I will now commence switching from my melee weapon and bringing out my bolter so I can destroy that vile - oops he's already dead

[serene sage]

if you compare between Bolter, Mg series, Vraks series, and the shotguns, suddenly they are all toe to toe

[low lava]

They should make plasma blow people up again, I want to see the fireworks

[white vault]

Bolter just needs slightly less shaking and maybe then I could aim with it.

[serene sage]

draw time is bad but people also love to exaggerate

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[serene sage]

Bolter legit can have 0 recoil with 2 talents

[white vault]

oh draw time is horrible, though I think its almost the same with the plasma

[sharp ember]

lemme stick a bayonet on the front end of a bolter

[low lava]

plasma has a pretty good draw time

[serene sage]

then proceed to bash the enemy with the brick instead of stabbing

[thick rose]

then you just need a shield and you can be baby ogryn

speaking of

do any IG use shields?

sword and shield vet would kinda rule

[serene sage]

shield and baton vet?

actually

shield and shotgun vet

[strange grove]

lol deadshot so niche

[serene sage]

not that niche, precision is how you should play the bolter now though

no more brainless mag dumping

[strange grove]

I don’t like my stamina draining in auric damnation when this game spams poxwalkers behind you

[thick rose]

vet should have bolt pistol that draws faster anyway

[serene sage]

that's just the revolver

[strange grove]

This game could have used a sidearm system like left 4 dead

[thick rose]

I dunno what fatshark are doing man... they could really start amping up the grognard 40K excitement and get this thing buzzing

[serene sage]

it's literally vacation season man

[strange grove]

One ranged, one melee, one sidearm

[serene sage]

they pushed out a decent amount of contents already tbh

[low lava]

Not just any vacation season

Swedish Vacation season

see yall in march

[serene sage]

guaranteed 5 weeks vacation

damn

on top of national holidays

[hollow ibex]

do they get august off too

like parts of western europe

[sharp ember]

i wouldn't say it's impossible, but imperial navy breachers have pretty iconic ballistic shields they can mount shotguns on

a tactical shield for vet and a crusader shield for zealot would be pretty sick

[serene orbit]

I remember when the holidays hit last year. people were so angry

[low lava]

Classic fatshark release, I personally didn't have the server issues that a lot of people had in VT2 when it launched

but some of the broken/meme shit on release was immensely entertaining

[celest vine]

Enforcers use shields too

[serene sage]

tbh they probably knew it wasn't finished but they ran out of cash

so they released it as mvp

[serene sage]

to get cash and keep going

[serene orbit]

yep

so much broken stuff and then poof, off to holiday

[thick rose]

they know how to release fun maps. the carnival maps are cool. they just gotta lift the excitement on the weapons now

[celest vine]

I pray for a day when the ogryn can use the grenadier gauntlet with the slab shield

[serene sage]

meth lab is my fav map now

run it everytime i get a chance

[thick rose]

the pumping pacing of it is great

[serene orbit]

better than math lab

[celest vine]

I wonder if the devs play their own games

Many dont

[serene sage]

allegedly they don't

[celest vine]

Its obvious they dont

[serene orbit]

it's kinda weird, right? the thought of a dev who works on the game coming home and playing it

but a lot do

[strange grove]

Blizzard def doesn’t play Diablow 4

[serene sage]

wont name names but a playtester said that they have limited knowledge of the "meta" and balance in the game

[celest vine]

I mean, if I had to fix the code issues with darktide

I wouldnt want to come home to play more darktide

[serene sage]

which is why they take playtesters suggestions almost wholesale

[celest vine]

[serene sage]

again, this is all alleged

[low lava]

Wait

[quaint steeple]

what would be a good replacement for limbsplitter?

[low lava]

Aren't we the playtesters

[celest vine]

I meam its a good thing

Thats how the veteran tree got fixed

[serene sage]

haha meme aside they have a volunteer team

[strange grove]

Why don’t they have trackers that tabulates what everyone is playing?

[serene orbit]

I have this funny image of a player who's so fed up with the game applying to be a dev for it. then he fixes the issues that annoy him the most and quits

[strange grove]

Weapons that get played too much get nerfed. Not enough get buffed.

[celest vine]

I thought veteran chat being the loudest of them all had at least some influence

[serene sage]

they probably do but numbers can be hard to analyze, and usually you can draw correlation but not causation

[celest vine]

They nerfed chainsword into a bad place cause they nerfed powersword

[low lava]

Think veteran is also the most played class apparently?

[celest vine]

But they buffed powersword so everyone uses it

[strange grove]

Nerf revolver too

[celest vine]

Revolver was pretty strong to be fair

[serene orbit]

well yeah, this is CoD right?

[serene sage]

what if the Bolter in their data sheet is overperforming? is it because the gun is so strong or because it's so unwieldy that most people drop it, except for a few players who got good with it?

[celest vine]

It fires what? A 7.62 sized round and it can one hit crusers

While the machine gun that shoots the same sized round cant?

It was strange

[serene sage]

it shoots through the eyehole

you see

[low lava]

If you pull the trigger just right, then it's a critical hit and the bullet is blessed by Big E himself

[celest vine]

Blessed boolet

[low lava]

if not its just another normal shot

[celest vine]

[serene sage]

exactly

[serene orbit]

Chuck E Cheese more like

[serene sage]

faith guided the bullet

[low lava]

TBH thats probably a lore friendly way to explain crits

[serene sage]

better than bolter's alleged "smart" round

[low lava]

some techpriest blessed every 5th bullet in my mag

[strange sparrow]

I still dont understand about Hellbore

[celest vine]

Lasguns be like “oops more power”

[strange sparrow]

HellBore Mk 2 is like

[low lava]

Suspicious weapons maintenance, thanks mommy hadron

[strange sparrow]

Shit Ironsight

[serene sage]

Incense is expensive

[strange sparrow]

Somehow can't one tap headshot?

The great thing was bayonet

[celest vine]

The irons on it are genuinely the fucking worst sights ive seen on a gun in game

F2000 from MW2 had better irons

[serene sage]

New update, weapon customization, but you'll need to buy em with Aquillas

[celest vine]

Ill mod thanks

[serene sage]

That particular mod is now banned

[strange sparrow]

Why was it banned btw

[celest vine]

Same reason the “reveal all locked items” mod was banned

Leaked too many things

[serene sage]

Oh mb it's not actually

You can still get weapon customization

[strange grove]

China just banned the use of “dailies” in video games. Will this affect this game?

[serene sage]

It was bricked due to updates but fixed now

[strange sparrow]

Not the version you can access anyway

[celest vine]

No cause its not a chinese game

[strange grove]

Tencent tho

[celest vine]

Its owned by chicoms

[strange sparrow]

Doesn't matter

[celest vine]

But it doesnt have to follow their archaic laws

[strange sparrow]

Your "Game" doesn't get affected because you're not in China

They have their own version of steam

Im sure fatshark can get around it

[celest vine]

Intronet remember?

[serene sage]

I don't think it matters. It's not like you can buy Chinese stocks as an American, and suddenly that Chinese company has to follow American laws

[strange sparrow]

Btw

is Deadshot still applicable when out of stamina?

[celest vine]

No

[strange sparrow]

Shame, not using it then

[celest vine]

Get a stamina curio

[strange grove]

Get three stamina perks.

Curios

[serene sage]

Get 3x3stam curios

[strange sparrow]

No I like my toughness

[serene sage]

And play Deadshot Columnus

Like a real man

[strange grove]

HP and toughness are for noobs, just don’t get hit

[analog blaze]

Deadshot is great for laspistol

[celest vine]

One works

I run a health, toughness, and +3 stamina curio

[strange sparrow]

Any Upgrade toward this gun

[celest vine]

You can salvage onslaught

That ammo stat is brutal

[strange sparrow]

Why thou, I see the Damage and Stopping Power Profile is okay

Eeeeee not that bad imo

Ammo is kinda always my dump stats

[serene orbit]

It is, but I feel like the ammo stat on a Mk II Helbore is the dump stat of all dump stats

[limber egret]

charge rate from seeing the difference between lower and higher stuff seems too small of a difference

so i would perfer maxing out ammo instead

[strange grove]

Surgical for sure

[limber egret]

funny thing you can do is get surgical then put shock trooper talent point

basically unlimited ammo lmao

because so long as you wait for surgical to max out

its always a crit hit meaning no ammo cunsumed

it works the best with helbore since you can charge the attack to get more damage out of it when aiming

untop of them always being a crit hit if you wait for surgical to be at max

[serene sage]

honestly i still don't know why you want onslaught on helbore

it seems counter synergistic

also do you really shoot that fast to make use of the talent?

[midnight totem]

Strap 4 helbores together and make a hellgun

Also I have decided, the kantrael laspistol is terrible compared to the accutran

[tiny summit]

Onslaught and surgical are great on helbore. Faster charge when you need it and more guaranteed crits as you start. The charge rates of helbores still make use of surgical with onslaught. Mk2 you can make the case to not need it.

[tiny summit]

Least important stat on helbore. You have shocktrooper, surgical and survivalist? You can have to actively try to get below 60% ammo

[tiny summit]

Good helbore. 2 isn't my favorite. The reload speed could probably become unarmored (for drege gunners, see if how it does in the psyk), maniac or carapace. Some will like surgical. You can put infernus for funny fire. Can see how sustained fire is treating you.

[tiny summit]

I feel like when I use it, why am I not just using a 1a?

[midnight totem]

The laspistol in general? Or just the kantrael

I find the accutran is laser accurate

[tiny summit]

The Kan. I like the accu. Faster pew pew

[unreal drum]

There is only mk8bag. Everything else is subpar.

[midnight totem]

The kan's recoil and relative accuracy is horrendous

[wintry bay]

slap surgical on it, on a hellbore its a large damage buff and i have the new problem of spam shooting rounds to refill nades off ammo crates lately

[strange sparrow]

Damn I came back from one hard mael auric

and 4 ping is here

[strange sparrow]

Im trying out HellBore Mk 2 but I feel it's not that great

Also Spamming Hellbore Uncharged to topup Marksman

Also TTK against Crusher fuckin suck with HellBore

[serene sage]

What the fuck were y'all doing

[strange sparrow]

Also

[strange sparrow]

Only Scrab Melee

[serene sage]

What kind of fuckery happened for 4 people to go 700k+ damage

[strange sparrow]

Everything is Crusher

[serene sage]

Nvm makes sense

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/frieren-sousou-no-frieren-frieren's-funeral-frieren-at-the-funeral-frieren-beyond-journey's-end-gif-14321694336963260870

[serene sage]

[strange sparrow]

We have 15 Crusher on our ass

or Mauler

[serene sage]

Say no more i get it now

Forgot that's a thing

[crude ermine]

Ogryn too tough

[wintry bay]

Mk2 hellbore to me is one of the best guns in game for clearing gunners/shooters from range. With 25% maniacs you can also reliably 1-2shot every special outside of maulers/chargers with headshots.

tbf though im also playing with a damn near perfect hellbore

oh. And

Bayonet charging is suprisingly good, it stunlocks ragers and kills trash mobs with ease

[zinc echo]

Hi! Could you help me pls, which is the best/strongest melee weapon for a veteran if I almost only using light attacks?

For higher difficulty

[strange sparrow]

Yea that's what Im using to kill stuff rn

The ironsight just garbage

[crude fiber]

Use the extended weapon customization mod, let's you slap sights from other guns including the lasgun

[serene sage]

Ps6, combat axe

[zinc echo]

Thank you! Sorry, but what is a Ps6?

[native citrus]

I use it on everything. I can headshot mobs across the map with a vrak

[serene sage]

Power Sword MkVI
I'm not sure how new you are to the game but both are quite expensive to get going.

[crude fiber]

Yes sir, sometimes the sights don't like up correctly if you do some crazy part swaps but they work on most guns if you just change the sights

[serene sage]

If you want cheap, might need to go with chainsword, shovel, or devil claw

[zinc echo]

Thank you! I play for a few days, but I reached lvl 30 and I want to gear up for the higher difficulties

[serene sage]

Combad Axe needs Brutal Momentum as blessing
Powersword needs Power Cycler 4

[idle dirge]

Rashad combat axe is real good for that, if it has brutal momentum

[strange sparrow]

Don't get PowerSword

It's grindy if you don't have Pcycler

Remember
I spent 32k Plasteel for 20 Psword

https://tenor.com/view/frieren-sousou-no-frieren-frieren's-funeral-frieren-at-the-funeral-frieren-beyond-journey's-end-gif-14321694336963260870

[idle dirge]

Even without pcycler it’s still a great choice, imo

[native citrus]

Shovel man myself hehe

[zinc echo]

I don't like the look of swords at all :/ So, I guess I'll choose the axe. I like shovels and combat knives the best, but for some reason they have awfully low light attack damage. 😦

[serene sage]

shovel you just spam heavy no?

chainsword can spam light and horde clear well enough

[iron marten]

rip

[wintry bay]

honestly lights with an occasional shove works well too on shovels, just not as well

[serene sage]

if you want cheap, go chainsword while looking for more materials

honestly devil claw Mk4 works for light spam too
it's just that light heavy alternate is generally better

[tawny minnow]

PS is great, its make mostly random mad, because you dont give them kills xD

[wraith locust]

rashad combat axe

you literally just light spam

except for certain enemies

but dont worry about that yet

[serene sage]

heavy spam for unyielding and carapace, light spam for the rest

[wraith locust]

^

[idle dirge]

Ragers are basically the only thing you don’t just spam light / heavy for

[serene sage]

You can still spam as long as some other unlucky fuck is tanking the combo

[idle dirge]

I hate ragers

If they didn’t have an absurd reach they wouldn’t be so bad

[serene sage]

Take the dclaw out once in a while to release some steam

[idle dirge]

Parrying ragers is fun until you run out of stamina, or there’s two or more of them

[idle swallow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/indiana-jones-RJOYRvEEeMlby

[south garnet]

just dodge

[near sable]

https://giphy.com/gifs/indiana-jones-RJOYRvEEeMlby

[south garnet]

hsword zealot v single shooter

[strange sparrow]

Me on my way to introduce new cursed location for buff

[wise fossil]

Deathspitter or Fire Frenzy for IAG?

[terse idol]

Ehh yeeaghh

I mean, the attacks they do don't delete that much stam do they?

Except the final hit in combo

[idle dirge]

Not reaaalllyy, but you can’t really parry fast enough when there’s multiple and you don’t get a chance to regen stamina until they’re dead

[tiny summit]

Reject parry. Embrace bayonet

[native citrus]

Not I, lights attacks seem to be pretty darn effective I hardly ever have to heavy attack

[slow spade]

If you drag your mouse, the heavies are quite good

[sage agate]

interesting find in brunts

[terse idol]

Gotta get that decimator

Also holy 560

[sage agate]

heavies would be good for setting up skullcrusher procs

[hollow ibex]

it's not too bad, i routinely just parry spam against ragers using dclaw

and it works perfectly fine

the thing is, when there's a bunch of them

every parry is a perfect parry

[round crane]

if a player has been banned from game does it show uve been banned? legit asking foir a friend

[idle dirge]

If you’ve been banned I assume you’d know

I don’t think they have like, empty lobbies for banned

[ebon umbra]

players have been banned?

[jolly jetty]

does any know a good melee weapon?

[ebon umbra]

yes

[jolly jetty]

which one would that be

[ebon umbra]

how much dockets and plasteel do u have

the easy answer is power sword but that is a grind

i'd prob go with a shovel or chainsword

[dusty sluice]

hadron please

[jade notch]

Go for it lol

[jolly jetty]

didn't know the powersword that on it

[jade notch]

Brutal Momentum?

[idle dirge]

Does the vraks mk7 have any pierce? Or is it just single target

[jolly jetty]

i got a shovel i am working on but idk what mod to put on it to make it better

[sage agate]

decimator is the go-to shovel blessing

[jade notch]

That or Uncanny Strike, if it's the old Sapper Shovel

The new foldable ones benefit from Thrust, especially the anti-elite special

[jolly jetty]

ah i got the vii sapper shovel

[jade notch]

One of the new foldable ones then, gotcha.

Thrust and then either your choice of Decimator or Skullcrusher

Thrust because you can get more Damage if you charge up your Heavy the whole way, Decimator or Skullcrusher for extra damage

[jolly jetty]

i'd like to get a op shovel but the shot resets in 4 days

other then that idk how to earn better weapons

[wise fossil]

dockets shop resets every hour. melk bucks shop resets once a day

[bright cliff]

as for the foldable shovels I prefer decimator/uncanny over thrust

[dusty sluice]

just repeatedly buy stuff from brunt if there isn't anything good in the hourly shop

or melk

[sage agate]

save yourself from carpal tunnel if you do decide to go rolling for weapons

[serene sage]

Godsend, but make sure to let the game finishes the transaction animation or you risk crashing the game

[terse idol]

Hm, I dunno not thrilled about thrust on shovel

Like, Decimator + Uncanny -shore up your weakness vs carapace

Or decimator skull splitterr

(For horde?)

(Oh unless you're talking about the foldable shovel)

[jade notch]

The Mk 7 in particular, yeah, which was what MisterRadio had

For the old Sapper Shovel, I'd pick Uncanny Strike and Skullcrusher

[terse idol]

That's reasonable
I'm certainly more of a decimator uncanny mahself,
I defiently gotta try to find a skull crusher

[jade notch]

The only reason I moved away from Decimator is realizing you lose all your stacks built up thus far the moment you miss a single swing

So at least, with Skullcrusher, you apply the full extra damage as long as the target is staggered. In theory

[strange sparrow]

I feel unironically

that Mk 2 Hellbore

Shouldn't be charged

[terse idol]

And they'll always be stagger cause funny shovel

[jade notch]

Ye

[strange sparrow]

It give great breakpoint if you headshot with charge

but half the time you be having problem hitting head with charge

Do anyone know the crit chances for HellBore Mk 2?

[jade notch]

Not off the top of my head, sadly, and I shore it up with Surgical for that reason.

Could also use Deadshot

[strange sparrow]

Veteran still have a base Crit chances of 5% or it was removed?

[white minnow]

it was 10% previously and now it's 5%

[real lintel]

I always end up with at least one ammo regen vet on my team, trying to get the "Make Every Shot Count" penance xD

[ivory rock]

Me bodies missin

[real lintel]

Your head and legs are missing, your body's there.

[ivory rock]

I hate brunt\

[real lintel]

Why? That's a pretty decent roll.

[ivory rock]

HE ROLLED ANOTHER WITH THE SAME STATS I CANT

ASJKDKASFKASKF

[real lintel]

That's not the same stats, it's just the same damage stat.

[ivory rock]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-nerdy-nerds-nerd-emoji-gif-25380417

I know it's good I just like high dmg, still gonna run it

[lusty jetty]

Game is punishing you for using the incorrect helbore 😜

I wish mk3 had the stabby

[terse idol]

Mk2 is fiine

Bayonett is even better

[lusty jetty]

Ya. All in jest, I'm partial to mk1

[ivory rock]

I like mk3 just hate how slow it is to charge shots, mk2 is that nice middleground while still retainin okay dmgh

[lusty jetty]

I really want to like mk3 but the bayonet sucks so so bad

Like I'll just use revolver if I want to one shot things then

[tiny summit]

Mk2, middle ground...?

[lusty jetty]

Or Vraks 7 if I want more ammo

[fossil basalt]

Between Mk1 and 3? yeah

[real lintel]

No, MkII, then MkI, then MkIII

[fossil basalt]

Isn't Mk1 the higher firerate?

[tiny summit]

No

[lusty jetty]

Ya mk2 is lowest charged damage but highest uncharged

[real lintel]

We can't have things make sense here.

[lusty jetty]

Ya after the Vraks III having a 3 round burst nothing else makes sense

[tiny summit]

Makes sense to me. Mk1 is the base. Mk2 faster. Mk3 harder

[real lintel]

You can rationalize anything, doesn't make it actually rational 😛

[terse idol]

Mk3 is like

Ahhhh

It just

Its clunky

[tiny summit]

But it is rational?

[terse idol]

Man people complain, about how you have to stand still when you use marksmens focus
Nobody complains about how you have to invest into your 401k and wait for a return to finish firing a single shot

[serene sage]

Everytime I play something else, my teammates can't kill shit. But the moment I use Helbore, they immediately become ex CSGO pros sniping left and right, dropping targets before I can finish charging.

[terse idol]

Well I mean, mk2 is the fastest firing one eh?

It is

I mean

Is it rational.... what does that mean

[celest vine]

Use the MG12

[terse idol]

In theory it would be like
Mk2 Mk1 mk3, I think someone already said that

[tiny summit]

Its the 2nd variation made after the baseline mk1 because someone wanted it to fire faster

[celest vine]

Ultimate head clicking gun

[terse idol]

Mk1 is the true middle ground

[terse idol]

Well okay

When you put that logic yeah

[gusty bison]

Ew MG12

At least use the MG1a

[celest vine]

I do

[serene sage]

If there exists two natural numbers a and b such that c=a/b then c is rarional

[tiny summit]

Like...what is hard to understand that the middle of road mk1 was the 1st variation and the others followed

[celest vine]

My 12 has better rolls

[tiny summit]

Like that's how some gun lines are named

[celest vine]

Ultimate head clicker

[terse idol]

Oh

I didn't even realise

[snow thistle]

Sup
I'm New
I was wondering is sniper builds were good in the meta

[terse idol]

Me when math

[celest vine]

Grenade

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-kitty-yeet-funny-gif-21938191

[gusty bison]

You gonna have to define whatcha mean by sniper

[gusty bison]

Cos most engagements this game are 20m or less

[snow thistle]

Left side of the ability tree, and semi-auto rifle for extra thicc long range

[gusty bison]

Oh Vraks 7

[terse idol]

Its viable

[gusty bison]

Vraks 7 is probably the gun that gets the most out of the left side

[snow thistle]

Dafuk is vraks 7 ?

[gusty bison]

Vraks 7 Headhunter autogun

[terse idol]

The semi auto headhunter

[hollow ibex]

Dmr

[copper pine]

Vraks 7 headhunter

[snow thistle]

Oh okok

[serene sage]

Fewer*
I'm fairly sure meters are countable 🤓

[gusty bison]

Its the head tap gun

[spark helm]

Is that the burst-fire one?

[gusty bison]

No

Its the 1 bullet per click one

[snow thistle]

The one where u can charge shots ?

[gusty bison]

One thing about the Vraks 7 though, it is HEAVILY reliant on crit headshots

[terse idol]

The hellbore?

[gusty bison]

No thats the helbore lasgun

[terse idol]

No vraks 7

[gusty bison]

A bodyshot with my V7 against a maniac rager does 250 damage. A crit headshot deals 2k+

For reference

[terse idol]

What I'm gonna say is, take marksmens focus, take the toughness regain
Take camouflage

[spark helm]

The one with the 5 rounds in a cylinder right?

[snow thistle]

Seems like any rifle with a baïonnette on it is a sniper rifle

[serene sage]

Yes but it's a lot harder to pull off. You need both good aim, good melee, good positioning, and good game knowledge to survive.

[terse idol]

No the one with 56

[gusty bison]

Im throwing you out the window

[terse idol]

But that's the colmunhs

[spark helm]

:y

[terse idol]

Bruh I

Got a towel to shower

And it's gone

[spark helm]

Demons

[gusty bison]

It has been defenestrated

[serene sage]

What?

[terse idol]

Found it

😌

[spark helm]

It was demons.

[gusty bison]

Ok now stop using your phone in the shower :P

[terse idol]

I'm doomed

[serene sage]

Shoving a towel up there doesn't make you Ahri from League

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/tv-drama-sci-fi-bbc-doctor-who-gif-3494070

[gusty bison]

squint

[serene sage]

Friendly reminder

[snow thistle]

AT what lv do u unlock the vraks 7 ?

[spark helm]

Hm.

[terse idol]

Try me

https://tenor.com/view/giygas-cat-melon-cat-psychotic-gif-25770926

[gusty bison]

Helbore lasgun btw actually doesnt do that well with left keystone

Mostly cos it doesnt benefit from it as much

A 1 shot is a 1 shot regardless of how much extra overkill damage you want

[spark helm]

I mean, friend has some kind of anthro pfp. A towel is a little low brow.

Where's the suit

[snow thistle]

What's the best way of getting the most optimized gun ? Brunt ?

[gusty bison]

Brunt ye

Dockets -> Stats, then upgrade with Hadron

Enjoy the gacha

Make sure you are lvl 30 before you start the crafting though

[spark helm]

I'm so fucking mad that I called it.

[snow thistle]

Dockets ?

[gusty bison]

Thats the gold coins

[spark helm]

The video game money

[snow thistle]

Oh okok

[spark helm]

Non-real currency

The chips of the casino

[sharp ember]

docket curio perk meta

[spark helm]

Time to play cost-effective classes (whatever the fuck that means) only.

[snow thistle]

Thanks for the tips :)

[gusty bison]

Ah so Columnus IAG vet w/ Mk 3 shovel

[snow thistle]

Imma go increase my skilz now

[celest vine]

Xbox or PC @snow thistle

[spark helm]

Haven't used it yet but columnus guns are mean.

[snow thistle]

Pc

Of course pc

[celest vine]

Shit

[snow thistle]

😎

[celest vine]

Xbox gets autogun buffs

[gusty bison]

Its also that IAGs dont really have any great blessings and perks arent needed for breakpoints

[snow thistle]

Aw :(

[gusty bison]

so its not hard to get a good one

[celest vine]

Or windows users

Buy the game through steam you dont get it

[gusty bison]

Literally ur just fishing for a decent grey

Theres also like 2 dump stats and 1 stat that can be semi dumped

So you only need 2 great stats

[celest vine]

Brunt gave me this as a gray

[gusty bison]

And even then you dont need to fish for 75+ on both cos no breakpoints

[serene sage]

What auto gun buffs?

[gusty bison]

Rip hadron

[celest vine]

Bullet magnetism

[terse idol]

Inferus doe

[real lintel]

Too bad about the Infernus, other than that it's pretty decent.

[terse idol]

[gusty bison]

Its lacking onslaught but on a mk 2 its not that necessary

[celest vine]

Ive snagged some sniper kills or gunner kills because of it

[gusty bison]

Its nice to have

[celest vine]

Its not as bad as Id thought

[terse idol]

I thought that was only console players

[celest vine]

Xbox launcher

[gusty bison]

Imagine not 1 shotting gunners :3

[terse idol]

You still need to tap fire for long targets

WAIT

That's a good point

[real lintel]

I mean, yeah, but shooting twice vs shooting once and letting them burn for six seconds is a major difference in a fire fight xD