veteran-class

[strange grove]

lul

[hybrid barn]

So to narrow it let's say those who think they're the main character or A-train from the boys.

And get annoyed by players who are slow and collect resources

[torn root]

Nope, went bust rolling weapons to fill out t4s

[marsh condor]

Question.

[delicate estuary]

its a hard question cause I am used to pacing with skilled premades and its really fun but there is also dumbasses that dont understand when to pull ambiance or not

[marsh condor]

Which shovel is the best spoon?

[delicate estuary]

currently just wanting to finish up scooping blessings so I can actually play the game

[hybrid barn]

Pull ambience?

[strange sparrow]

The metrics goes fast from
Competent speed runner that kill everything between you and him ?
Incompetent SpeedRunner that die because he can't fight a bulwark alone?
Incompetent Speedrunner that just rush to the end with shroudfield/Invisiblity Skill

[torn root]

Imma need to see some godrolls before I take this plasteel stack seriously

[delicate estuary]

yea like pushing forward for revives instead of you know dealing with shit already chasing them then go into a room and pulling more elites and other shit

[hybrid barn]

Oh shit yeah

[delicate estuary]

revives is just an example

[strange grove]

🤣

[torn root]

Damage to specialist*

[junior needle]

Took me a second to realize this wasn't one of my videos

[torn root]

Probably use the plasteel

[strange sparrow]

Could I ask, what is the Maelstrom Modifier?

[junior needle]

Don't forgor to show the talents and the gun

[strange sparrow]

It just spawn a lot but I never understand the mechanic behind it

[strange sparrow]

373

[torn root]

Damage to infested*

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/sadgecry-sadge-cry-gif-18423674

[torn root]

Probably use plasteel

[strange sparrow]

Use the plasteel frak

[strange grove]

this is my fav, just need T4 FF

[strange sparrow]

Gamble your way in

[torn root]

There is always a reason to be broke in this game

[delicate estuary]

usually on zealot since its the only class I can do it I tend to go forward and deal with most of the ambient elites on me and dealing with them and by the time the rest of the group is around they can finish them off. Try to stay at max like 1 maybe 2 rooms ahead

since you know

[strange grove]

im waiting for my plasteel to hit 250k

[delicate estuary]

silent trappers

[strange sparrow]

Or shit like this

[junior needle]

Elite damage over maniacs? Curious choice. You'll probably want deathspitter instead since if ff actually works as described, it's only applied at close range. Also DS gives straight power and stacks to 5.

[delicate estuary]

also I tend to go ahead of groups on zealot cause looting is easier to manage that way

by the time I finish vacuuming everything

I loop back to the group

[torn root]

Why shoot there?
Shove em!

That makes me sad

[strange grove]

I'll give that a try

[strange sparrow]

Im shooting the Flamer

[junior needle]

Power is damage + cleave + stagger and is always better than straight damage

I should test if ff actually does work like it's described

[strange grove]

its a columnus tho

[junior needle]

Yeah the gun is overtuned as fuck so you can do whatever you want and still outperform other weapons

[torn root]

^

[strange grove]

i still prefer my agri IAG to it

for things a tad in the distance

[torn root]

I took the Grey into auric
It's not even close to being okay

[strange sparrow]

I mean I play Auric V with white Columnus and it still do more damage than other people

[junior needle]

White columnus has like 2-4x the bodyshot damage of a white recon depending on the target

Finesse weapon btw

[torn root]

The gun just makes using others feel like trolling

[strange sparrow]

I mean there's plasma gun thou

Which is also "Meta"

The cleave just 2gud

[torn root]

I think the plasma gun is amazing, but what's a king to a god?

[hybrid barn]

Zealots I can totally understand cause when built right they can survive in very difficult situations

[torn root]

That gun is a crutch no lie
And I'm never taking it off lmao, not until I'm allowed to have fun on zealot again

[strange sparrow]

Wait was this the gold Columnus I brought, eh I remember playing a lot of Mael Auric today so probably got one mixed in

In the end, it's just super busted with Columnus

Waiting for Psword Cycler to experience

[carmine bronze]

is it great no but is it mine yes

[junior needle]

Fire frenzy damage boost is applying at beyond "close" range currently. You still need to be at close range to get the stacks though.

Yet another misleading fatshark tooltip

[torn root]

Fatshark is slipping up

Tbh I'm surprised they don't just adopt someone from the community to work with them

[junior needle]

They supposedly did that with Brother Bepisemia or whatever the name was, and that didn't turn out very well

[torn root]

Oof
Wonder what happened

[junior needle]

Know the pearl clutching meme?

Brother Bepis was responsible for that

[hearty panther]

no, the community was responsible for that, lol

yall fucking held it over yourselves for months, may as well keep owning it

[junior needle]

The community blew up with the meme, but it was satirizing an extremely tone deaf response from brother bepis

[frank ledge]

Pearl Clutching gear

[shadow aurora]

Fellas does semi headhunter have good crit build potential

Figured you guys would know best

[idle carbon]

with surgical yes

[shadow aurora]

Yipee

[idle carbon]

flak/maniac and surgical/deadly accurate should work fine
also possibly headhunter rather than surgical, depends on what you've got

for what it's worth, opening salvo is also unusually good with the semi auto vraks HH, the buff resets very quick

[idle swallow]

So what allows opening salvo to reset, is it timer based or stowing the weapon or something else?

[tall torrent]

Salvo is continued firing until recoil resets

[torn root]

Timer
I think it's the same as sustained fire

[tall torrent]

So as soon as recoil resets, opening salvo comes back

[crude ermine]

Thanks brunt

[torn root]

Nah that's gotta be fake

Lmao

[serene bough]

Optimal damage

[exotic sandal]

Buy it and use it

[fossil basalt]

Who needs breakpoints when you have boolet

[unreal bone]

I got a warhammer hot take I feel but

Astartes is not the best fanmade animation out there.

The Lord Inquisitor animation is better. 😔

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-gif-21094172

[burnt flame]

nah

[hybrid barn]

Now let's see sodaz animations

[crude ermine]

The ammo saves it

I decided it would be funny to try it with NOTHING and then the second one be with actual nodes n shit

[hybrid barn]

bruva alfabusa with his tts series and astartes actually pushed me to warhammer and its lore.

[burnt flame]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-astartes-3d-art-nope-gif-16794679

[unreal bone]

Astares and The Lord Inquisitor are both great.

https://tenor.com/view/lord-inquisitor-40k-gif-23729464

[exotic sandal]

Almost an entire clip geesh

[crude ermine]

I tested it on everything but cara because I do not have the patience for that especially on crushers

[exotic sandal]

I only use my grenades for cara enemies. Monstrosities I can handle but cara is just too much of a waste for ammo

[random cobalt]

yeah, it isn't

[torn root]

Oh nah
Better only use that for fun runs

[carmine bronze]

at least it does the job

[crude ermine]

Even with the rending node it still took a shit ton of time

I just did that for fun

[random cobalt]

it probably does it good enough tbh

high perfect ratings are only for people with too much free time (me)

but 370s as a base stat is prob what you want to go for

well, 360-370

I think 370 is the max.

[carmine bronze]

yeah

[torn root]

380*

[carmine bronze]

just recently got a nice roll on a militium shovel

[random cobalt]

But with how unlucky some rolls are and how things shift in and out of meta, just go for good enough weapons

[random cobalt]

yes mb this ^

[quasi jetty]

Access. Denied.

[strange sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-car-silly-silly-cat-chipi-chipi-chapa-chapa-gif-7059294450246938370

I love to play with competent randoms

[gray belfry]

what are those

[strange sparrow]

Auric Maelstrom CBT

400k combined boss damage

[gray belfry]

meanwhile last damnation run i had, had 2 vets who bless them they were trying, but one just ate so many hits and one died when a horde hit same time as a spawn

one had 4 wounds so i think they werent exactly confident, but still put a fair effort in

[junior needle]

4% damage rolled gun gets almost 2x the dps

[sudden dome]

nah, I used to run wounds and then I realized if I ran toughness or health I just wouldnt die and running wounds made me eat dirt more often

[crude ermine]

That's fucking funny

Like actually

[strange sparrow]

The gun sound like my gpu

[junior needle]

That's max damage for the 6d btw

79 and 80% are identical

[gray belfry]

absolute state of recon lasguns

[sudden dome]

Isnt it like 1.5x damage on weakpoints? So dont they suck even if they crit weakpoint everything?

whats the upside to recons

[gray belfry]

sheer volume

[junior needle]

They have low weakpoint/crit mods, yeah

[strange sparrow]

No recoil

[sudden dome]

so what, it clears chaff hordes

[junior needle]

Uhh, they have good recoil? Other than that absolutely nothing.

[sudden dome]

all laser guns shouldnt have recoil

they have to add a mod to make them have recoil in lore

[gray belfry]

wanna run a mission with 4 of them and just recreate the 'those who mock the humble lasgun havent had to run through a thousand of them'

but thats it. im currently on my slug shotgun bullshit

[junior needle]

They're not even good for shooting into chaffe since only 1 model has any penetration, and only for 1 hit mass.

[gray belfry]

should try to get a t4 fullbore/whatever the stacking close range damage one is called

[junior needle]

Not that you want to clear chaffe with your ranged weapon.

[sudden dome]

The reason I cant use helbore isnt the slow swap or the fact you need to hit weak points its that it only hits 1 target so if youre caught out with it you have to swap out of mk3 no matter what and the mk2 doesnt have a high enough burst to trade out against a revolver

[gray belfry]

thats honestly fair. i hate the mk3's slow as hell followup shots, however ive found mk2 to be useable, even fun, just need one with onslaught/surgical

[chrome eagle]

Recon used to be decent as a dedicated anti shooter / elite gun

[sudden dome]

its a giant hyper damage laser, why cant it pierce atleast to a second target

[chrome eagle]

But now a days the iags do that better

[sudden dome]

if its out there 3 shotting bosses it should go through things

[gray belfry]

penetration on a full charge could be fun, but i like the 'fuck this guy in particular' laser atm

how is the bayonet on mk2 nowadays

[sudden dome]

Its great on malice and heresy if you just want to goof off but the moment you introduce unending hordes I literally cant use it

but anythings great on malice and heresy

[gray belfry]

man there goes the 'imagine using a melee weapon' dream

[sudden dome]

for the bayo it still only hits 1 target

so you 1 shot things

but theres 40 of them

[gray belfry]

yeah i know that lmao was wondering if it was fast enough

[sudden dome]

nah I struggle to keep up with hordes even with a powersword once you get into the hi intensity stuff

doesnt matter if I kill 10 a swing if they run faster than I can take another swing

[gray belfry]

thats when you dodge like a maniac mid horde

[grizzled pebble]

Hobo vet.

[gray belfry]

been running the mk 6 knife and just spamming the shit out of dodge

[gray belfry]

average brit

[sudden dome]

I keep getting caught on the horde because they close in on all direction, I need to start planning melee out more instead of swing 3 times dodge back, charge up and swing another 3 times

[gray belfry]

you run voice of command?

[sudden dome]

also Im partial to wifebeater and prison pants

and yea shout all the way

but its only up every 25 seconds

[gray belfry]

use it as a get out of fuckup free card its on such a low cooldown

[sudden dome]

and since I use it at the start to give everyone the toughness boost

if I dont do that I look down and everyones at like 1 bar of health left

[gray belfry]

average pub experience

either competant gamers or the absolute glue sniffers

[sudden dome]

depending on the round I can be either, still havent figured out how to find DH before I walk on top of them while fighting hordes

today I pissed one off from a good 10 meters away

despite someone else getting closer before

[gray belfry]

if you hear them, look for a bunch of fog, they're usually in there somewhere

[sudden dome]

issue is with the horde I cant see the fog and the sounds are over ridden but the shreaking and the banging of the fighting

I usually stay in the middle to prevent that

[gray belfry]

then just dont...move ahead

[sudden dome]

but he went further with no issues

so I did and it triggered it despite him being further ahead before

[gray belfry]

if another person aggros them it sounds like a skill issue on their end

[sharp ember]

the previous fellow annoyed it just barely enough to put it on a hair trigger

[tropic imp]

Helbore pierces through multiple chaff enemies

[celest vine]

Closest to title screen in the game so far

[gray belfry]

we'l get that helmet soon 'pure copium'

[left patrol]

[sudden dome]

I played just yesterday and it was only killing one at full charge for an mk3

[celest vine]

Tutorial has the vets wearing it

[sharp ember]

that’s correct, the helbores only have a cleave mass of 2.0 on charged shots

common enemy mass ranges from .75 to 2

[tropic imp]

Could be wrong then

[celest vine]

Sell not really

You can get closer with the moebian 21st gear

Gloves mainly

[gray belfry]

if we're showing off our vets

[celest vine]

Waiting for enforcer armor

[gray belfry]

should try for the hard mode twins achievement

anyone here who has it, how is the fight itself

[celest vine]

You dont need to have peopke tell you it sucks donkey balls

[sharp ember]

proximity mines fuckin EVERYWHERE, and rinda basically wavedashes constantly

[wraith locust]

as usual, easy in a coordinated good group, hell in pugs

[celest vine]

Wait

I got a better way to explain the fight

[sharp ember]

the biggest issue is clearing elites and specials asap

[sharp ember]

so vets are usually plasma duty

[gray belfry]

are there a lot of gunners, or is it purely a hellscape of bombers and flamers

[serene sage]

holy shit no way

I want it

badly

[gray belfry]

Remnant 2 mentioned lets go

[sharp ember]

the most common waves are melee elites like ragers and maulers and crushers

stalker shooter squad do appear tho

[celest vine]

Yes way

[cinder wing]

are hellbore guns actually okay? I found the charge time really off putting

[celest vine]

Tf you mean no way

[sharp ember]

and all specials will show up randomly

[weary acorn]

yes having tested them they're pretty good

[wraith locust]

Amazing game

[gray belfry]

mk 3 ive foudn to be way too sluggish, but others have foudn success, im more a fan of mk 2, still hits kind of hard and a but faster

[cinder wing]

any general tips?

[wraith locust]

Hellebores are very balanced

[cinder wing]

to a degenerate revolver gamer

[celest vine]

This is where the trailer guardsmen ended up

[gray belfry]

still on the high that is the annihilation phase 2

[drowsy kayak]

Rip soldiers

[gray belfry]

rip soldiers. you werent named characters

[cinder wing]

how do we feel about recon lasguns?

[sharp ember]

unironically the worst gun family

[strange grove]

Only reason to play vet is to p||lay baseball with poxbursters using the shovel||

[sharp ember]

but they sure are recoilless for killing shooters and nothing else

[quaint veldt]

guys do you have any builds

[celest vine]

They are stylish, and if shocktrooper crits worked right it would be good

[quaint veldt]

havent played since they fixed him

[celest vine]

But since it doesnt its not that good

[strange grove]

Got two in a row spamming heavy swings, just launched them away

[cinder wing]

I've found most success with headhunters and revolers

[strange grove]

LOL the special on standard shovel pushes them away too

much easier to time

[cinder wing]

plasma stinky

[strange grove]

i never knew this

[cinder wing]

feels weird

[tropic imp]

Use bayonet on mk1 and mk2, having to swap to melee is awful on helbores

[sharp ember]

plasma smell good, but they need to fix the soundless bug

[bold sierra]

So, how exactly does Corruption Resistance work?

[sharp ember]

reduces purple damage from purple damage sources

except grims

which is a separate resistance

[bold sierra]

Right, but what I'm wondering, is is corruption damage dealt as flat damage or as % of your health?

The times I get hit by it it feels as though it's %

unless the amounts are just really high

[sharp ember]

what’s hitting you

[strange sparrow]

What is the hardest variant for Auric Mael

[bold sierra]

Pox bursters largely

also dogs

but I don't mean being caught by dogs just the like weird impact they do

[sharp ember]

i believe it’s a flat portion of normal and then corruption damage

the damage value of poxbursters can be searched up somewhere

[bold sierra]

I'm mostly trying to assess the value of corruption resistance on curios

[strange sparrow]

In general it ain't great

[gray belfry]

i ran em but found too little value out of it, better off with toughness regen or just flat health/toughness

[sharp ember]

they’re okay but invalidated by zealots or vets with toughness cleanse

[bold sierra]

that's fair

[sharp ember]

would only consider it for poxburster spam modifiers

[strange sparrow]

There isn't a lot of Corruption damage that can't be avoided

[gray belfry]

oh yeah pox hounds can fuck off with that 'i pounced on you, heres some free corruption'

[strange sparrow]

Beast of Nurgle, Just press Space AD

Pox Hounds, have the furthest block push

[bold sierra]

Also, combat ability regeneration is just [cooldown] -X% right

[gray belfry]

yeah im just bad at the game lmao

[bold sierra]

asin 30s cooldown -4%

for a curio

[strange sparrow]

I just rely on Audio que, and FS love to have breaking Audio Que

[gray belfry]

'good luck hearing these 4 bursters with fucked sounds buddy'

[bold sierra]

yeah I use the mod that half-fixes the audio cue

Oh yeah can't forget

[bold sierra]

WE LOVE SILENT TRAPPERS

[strange sparrow]

Just listen harder

[wraith locust]

Imo monstrosity on specific maps

[bold sierra]

I love funny poxhound ragdolls

[strange sparrow]

I love Monstrosity (Weakened) thou

[gray belfry]

its the same with post rock mutant ragdolls

[bold sierra]

lmao yeah

[strange sparrow]

oh god the camera sway

[gray belfry]

ogryn is just pure comedy, while still being viable as hell lmao

[bold sierra]

yeah

lol

[sharp ember]

its very nice that surrounding mobs won’t help jump you when you get dogged now

no more getting executed instantly

[serene sage]

hey can someone help me identify a mod?
it groups the kill feed into one line
for example, instead of saying

Player1 has killed Dreg Gunner
Player1 has killed Dreg Gunner
Player1 has killed Dreg Gunner
it just simply says
Player1 has killed Dreg Gunner (x3)

[strange sparrow]

Mutants still do that

[gray belfry]

i love how you got a poxhound on a player that you're ignoring over the funny ragdoll

[bold sierra]

of course

it's more important

[gray belfry]

priorities mate i get it

[sharp ember]

did you try searching “killfeed” or “kill feed” on nexus mods

[bitter turtle]

Probably scab only with a lot of other stuff piled on

[cinder wing]

seems the glue sniffers are out in force on the European servers again

[gray belfry]

mm elmers

[bitter turtle]

At least thse runs have the highest enemy density for me

Based on my dmg score

[strange sparrow]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/70

KillFeed Improvement

I assume

[serene sage]

that's it

thanks!

[strange sparrow]

What is it call in specific? the one where everyone is just melee?

[frank ledge]

I prefer having my feed flooded

[bitter turtle]

No

Scab only

Not melee only scab only

Those are ez

Since they don't spawn extra conditions

[cinder wing]

today I learn you can't put bleed on powerswords 😦

[strange sparrow]

I Dont think Fandom is updated right

Considering Auric V mael always just give Mael Mission

[frank ledge]

[cinder wing]

right, let's see about this helbore

[strange sparrow]

I took it from a reddit post 5 months ago for Mael modifier

[fleet thicket]

what is the build on this thing again guys?

[bitter turtle]

10

[bitter turtle]

On that list

Monstro scab only blessed

Prob

[strange sparrow]

Shock Trooper is just shotgunner spam?

[bitter turtle]

Usually result in the highest enemy density

[sharp ember]

that’s basically already a perfect plasma just Gloryhunter to Gets Hot

[fleet thicket]

thx

[fleet thicket]

and also hello and merry chrismas friend

[sharp ember]

you can flex Carapace to anything you want

including carapace itself

[bitter turtle]

But I was told gloryhunter + et + ck + middle keystone with max stacks makes born leader good :^)

Jk

[sharp ember]

[bitter turtle]

That was unironically a defense of born leader I heard btw

[serene sage]

you also need teammates to not be at full toughness

[terse idol]

Me as I take every single toughness share perk to give people 6 whole toughness

[sharp ember]

those other classes with infinitely more accessible toughness recovery talents will thank us healing 5 toughness for them

[serene sage]

because the extra doesn't get converted to oversehidl

[sharp ember]

just be a covering fire vet with a brauto if you wannna toughness heal people

[strange sparrow]

I feel like Marksman doesn't do much compared to Superiority Complex

How do people feel about Marksman in general?

[cinder wing]

these helbores feel bad

[serene sage]

it's worth it for some one magging bosses build

otherwise you are better off with superiority complex yeah

[sharp ember]

which one are you using

[cinder wing]

mkii

[sharp ember]

they’re basically just beefed up kantrael lasguns that can shoot carapace

[cinder wing]

they're just so slow, with bad feeling feedback

[strange sparrow]

They need proper blessings to be Useful

[sharp ember]

oh there’s no saving you if you think the mk2 is too slow

[strange sparrow]

Just like Psword

[cinder wing]

i've yet to find anything more enjoyable than revolver

[gray belfry]

based wild west enjoyer

[strange sparrow]

May I introduce you to a crack ass weapon

[cinder wing]

really?

[sharp ember]

sanguinius would’ve defeated horus if he had the revolvers we got

[strange sparrow]

Sanguinius should had brough 2 Columnus onboard to the ship instead of boltgun

[cinder wing]

big iron on his hip

[strange sparrow]

You dont even need blessings for Columnus

Try it

[cinder wing]

shall

I do like dakka dakka

[sharp ember]

the main meta blessing you want for columnus is dumdum

the 2nd blessing doesn’t matter nearly as much

[strange sparrow]

Me with White Columnus on Auric V I believe

Just a fuck lot of damage

You only need Damage and Stopping power

[cinder wing]

so what I just blaze away?>

any skill build it needs?

[strange sparrow]

Yea.

Not really, but some make your life better

It allow you to one mag a crusher

[cinder wing]

so dumdum, rending and onslaught?

[junior needle]

Ammo is also generally not a dump stat, and stability is quite helpful.

[gray belfry]

wouldnt be a vet clip without an ogryn blocking a burst

[serene sage]

seriously

[junior needle]

Priority for IAG goes dumdum>flak/maniac perks>second blessing

You can run VOC or exe

[strange sparrow]

My Colomnus have shit Ammo but the impact just isn't big enough

Someone pointed that the ammo deficit was not even 1 magazine

[cinder wing]

do I ned much in the way of stability?

?

[junior needle]

I would say yes, there's a noticeable difference in long range handling between 50 stability and 80

[strange sparrow]

I ran a 30% Colomnus Stability, you'll be fine

[junior needle]

Oh, you're pre30

[strange sparrow]

Just dont shoot anything too far

[frank ether]

level up before wasting your resources

[strange sparrow]

You dont need to upgrade this btw

[frank ether]

you dont need more than mission rewards for leveling

[strange sparrow]

Just take this and shoot away

[gray belfry]

[junior needle]

Yeah don't worry about crafting yet, the item rating range increases with each level

[strange sparrow]

Just stare at enemy and blast them

[cinder wing]

roger

[junior needle]

Also important note if you're a new player: Ammo pickups are a percentage based on your reserves. So the larger reserve you have, the more value you get from all forms of ammo replenishment.

[strange sparrow]

Yea, Im kinda forced to take this talent to mitigate the ammo burn Im facing

[junior needle]

I always take the ammo now that it's actually not inconvenient as fuck to take

[strange sparrow]

Pump like tin of ammo from +70 -> +104 something

[torn root]

Ammo just good in general
More total damage

[gray belfry]

was hoping theyd move that futher up in the trees with the rework since it used to be a base passive, but ill take it

[strange sparrow]

The only question I faced using Colomnus is something I was able to instant reload

[cinder wing]

do you guys have a recommended skill tree while using it+shovel?

I've mostly been taking middle tree

[junior needle]

Depends on the ult you want to use

I can make one for you pretty quick

[cinder wing]

yell

[strange sparrow]

I build like this

Pre-25

[serene sage]

is this for the columnus?

[strange sparrow]

Yea

[serene sage]

you probably can skip Determined

[torn root]

Weakspot damage makes me sad ngl

[serene sage]

and take Superiority Complex instead

[torn root]

Maybe make it temporary

Cause you can still get over to onslaught

[strange sparrow]

I like Determined because I can face tank gunner

[torn root]

^

[junior needle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9aedbf69-b310-46cb-b8cc-7bb7b67c0fd0

[torn root]

Superiority complex indeed

[junior needle]

Here's quick one. Kraks are unnecessary once you get your rending talents so I put in shreds but you can adjust it to your preference. 2 extra points without adjustments.

[bitter turtle]

I take ogryn monstro dmg

instead of that coherence dmg resuctiom

Also shredder over krak

[torn root]

Don't gotta take focus target if you want your weak spot damage

[bitter turtle]

You can get 2k dps on crushers with colu already

[junior needle]

Focus target is all damage

[strange sparrow]

I still been facing problem with Toughness regeneration in general, so I really dont want to ignore 33% TDR

[junior needle]

Yeah I'd recommend both toughness dr talents as well

[torn root]

This is how you delete enemies with a grey

[umbral scaffold]

this is literally thje first powersword i got out of brunts, heres hoping hadron doesnt BRICK it

[junior needle]

Post results (she's gonna brick it)

[strange sparrow]

Are you gonna join the plasteel deficit gang

[serene sage]

what are yall doing

[umbral scaffold]

i might need to go on the grind for plasteel i might not have enough for orange

[serene sage]

with those swords

wtf

[torn root]

If you got more than 300 plasteel you're not playing the game 🤣

[strange sparrow]

Mesmerizing that I just dump 12k Plasteel in 15 minutes and no Pcycler

[serene sage]

the fuck

[serene sage]

just be lucky bro

[umbral scaffold]

i need some more plasteel before i got orange

[sharp ember]

luck issue

[strange sparrow]

[serene sage]

^^

[strange sparrow]

I dont even get Pcycler 3 btw

That's how shit is my luck

[serene sage]

tbh PS is kinda boring to play anyway

just get something else

[junior needle]

If you get brutal/cycler/sunder on gold upgrade then you're good to go, just replace unyielding and slaught.

[strange sparrow]

MAN IM PLAYING DEVIL CLAW IV

SHIT IS BORIN AF

[sharp ember]

but parry is goated

[serene sage]

still have more interactions than ps6

[strange sparrow]

Parry is like the only good thing about it

[sharp ember]

parry is how i survived karnak hard mode

[cinder wing]

how's the catachan knife?

[sharp ember]

that and +6 stamina

[strange sparrow]

If you're levelling, it's better for you to just grab ChainAxe in general

or Shovel

[novel coral]

https://i.imgur.com/mTwx4HI.png Do you guys think this is any good?

[junior needle]

I survived karnak hard mode by using my huge brain to formulate strategy (at least 2 ogryns and one of them has a rumbler)

[umbral scaffold]

yea unyielding is some bs PS doesnt have enough dodge to do the trick where u get behind bulwarks

[cinder wing]

which caxe/shovel?

[strange sparrow]

I survived Karnak Hard mode by tossing my head against Randoms for 12 hours until I found 2 ogryns

[junior needle]

The trick is to dodge when they attack and whack them since they put their shield out of the way then

[sharp ember]

good mobility, good single target, bad horde clear, dependent on good blessings and build

[strange sparrow]

This Chain Sword and the

I like the MK IV one

But dont bother upgrading them, try them out in white form

[halcyon zephyr]

yeah it's fine. It's like, awful mobility but excellent everything else.
Reroll block to flak, supercharge to slaughterer.

[strange sparrow]

Catachan knife is literally unusable for levelling imo

the butter knife with no blessing and stats just mean you run fast

[sharp ember]

agreed

[cinder wing]

the devils sword I mean

[sharp ember]

the swords are great

[strange sparrow]

No... I did White DC all these time for Vets because I have their blessings

[sharp ember]

parry is abuseable

[strange sparrow]

It can't kill trash with light on Heresy

[novel coral]

https://i.imgur.com/AV2cJhx.png I already have this but the finesse is pretty low

[halcyon zephyr]

definitely rip the power cycler 4 out of that sword.
Finesse is super important, not a dump stat.

[sharp ember]

my claw is just fine on t5

granted i have good blessings

[strange sparrow]

It get better with blessings with Devil Claw

But without them, You don't met any breakpoint

Just pretty bad in terms of leveling character

[sharp ember]

is there really any melee that isn’t dependent on blessings to massively improve

[strange sparrow]

ChAxe and ChSword is pretty okay without blessings

because the buff recently

[halcyon zephyr]

Deez do pretty well without blessings

[sharp ember]

who the hell is steve jobs

[gray belfry]

some are decent enough, its just the power sword that absolutely needs pc4 to not feel clunky as hell

[cinder wing]

good fucking meme

[strange sparrow]

also because their inherent "Non-Wide Swing" attack mean that they have 100+ damage on lights

[halcyon zephyr]

ligma balls

[potent lichen]

How is the new chainsword?

[strange sparrow]

compared to DC which is 40~+

[grizzled pebble]

Most melee kills with a bleed knife. Xd

[gray belfry]

dont hate it, overheads for heavys is nice, brought a subpar one along for damnation twins and it performed well enough

[sharp ember]

just OK. Desperately needs Wrath for cleave

[potent lichen]

How about compared to the old one?

[gray belfry]

new chainaxe stole the show lmao

[sharp ember]

old chsword is more versatile

[bright cliff]

the base shovel is pretty alright for this. you’ll never be able to kill anything but the baseline cc is high enough to handily control crowds w talents alone

[gray belfry]

got one on me atm with power on hit and power on kill which just goes through hordes like nothing

[potent lichen]

Still unable to find a melee weapon for stealth vet that I enjoy

[bright cliff]

catachan swords

[sharp ember]

i love new and old chaxe

huge glow up

[flint garden]

[potent lichen]

I'm using revolver so I need something with good horde clear

[strange sparrow]

DC 4

[potent lichen]

But being able to kill specialists fast is good too

[strange sparrow]

DC 4 only have problem against Elites

[potent lichen]

It's why I was looking at chsword

[gray belfry]

tried the new knife?

[sharp ember]

chswords are good and versatile

[strange sparrow]

Waiting for the day I got this variant of MK IV Devil

[gray belfry]

power sword my beloved

[sharp ember]

i like the mk7 too

[toxic hamlet]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aedc530-4fee-47cb-b00c-8648926fc949/bolter-expert

[sharp ember]

claw

[strange sparrow]

I like IV because of the moveset

nothing much

Heavy -> Special Attack (Reset) -> Heavy for overhead spam

[serene sage]

absolute mad lad running Bolter without Survivalist and Determined

[toxic hamlet]

I check after I'm done eating might have it

[gray belfry]

wish i could run the ammo aura with current build but then id sacrifice total ammo and supression immunity which i find more useful

[toxic hamlet]

That build melting bosses, crushers, pretty much anything easily

[strange sparrow]

Just don’t build keystone

I found vet keystone just lackluster except you’re into assassination

Haven’t tried right side keystone yet

[serene sage]

Ping keystone absolutely melt bosses though

[strange sparrow]

Yea assassinations

[potent lichen]

Weapon Specialist is super fun for me, makes revolver an ace

[serene sage]

oh I can't read

[strange sparrow]

I agree the damage it provide

Just I like rending and brittle more

[gray belfry]

attack speed is nice to have, the ranged one is a bit 'im not 100% sure this is doing anything' and then i 1 shot something i shouldnt with a slug and go 'oh'

[strange sparrow]

And I don’t trust my teammate

[tiny summit]

Suppression immunity is for the weak

[potent lichen]

How useful even is stamina for melee combat?

[serene sage]

it's good enough that you will notice the difference

[potent lichen]

Hm

[keen wharf]

this gun, out of all the guns ive used is by far the worst ive ever used, i wouldnt be against swapping out HeadHunter blessing if there was a Blessing to boost Recoil reduction.

[potent lichen]

I'm trying to find two perks I can ditch in my build to get grenade regen

[tiny summit]

This is like the perfect mg4

[keen wharf]

I hate it.

[cinder wing]

is serrated blades worth taking?

[tiny summit]

You don't deserve the emprah's blessings

[toxic hamlet]

It is nice but I ultimately sacrificed for more dmg

[tiny summit]

Get 5% chance of regen off elites

[potent lichen]

That would take 4 points instead XD

[cinder wing]

+1bleed stack per hit seems real good?

is that more for knife builds?

[thick fossil]

Just get Marskman Focus + Precision strikes and make sure you headshot every single round while firing at max fire rate.

[sharp ember]

i never leave the mourningstar without +3 stamina curio

[cinder wing]

like I kinda want to do columhus+knife build

any help?

[sharp ember]

good for knife Mercy Killer blessing

[dusty sluice]

whats the most useful helbore currently?

[tiny summit]

Yes but even then kinda eh. 1 attack is only 1 dmg per tick

[tiny summit]

Your preference

[cinder wing]

surely bleed isn't 1 damage??

[dusty sluice]

whats the difference between them?

[potent lichen]

1 stack of bleed is 1 damage. It's exponential.

More stacks, more damage

[cinder wing]

in that case can someone spot me a good knife and autogun skill tree please?

[potent lichen]

I'd say NOT Mk3. Don't really need the extra damage, and the bayonet sucks.

[potent lichen]

https://i.imgur.com/4u7foGe.png

[cinder wing]

ty

[tiny summit]

3 if you want a crusher killer with a shit bayonet.
2 if you want a weaker hitting but faster charge with a good bayonet
1 if you want middle of 3 and 2 with a good bayonet.

My favorite is 1. 1 taps most things, not abysmal charge and good bayonet

[sharp ember]

mk1 lucius gang

[cinder wing]

this the most pixelated shit

[potent lichen]

https://imgur.com/a/OAcWATV Here's the original album

[dusty sluice]

ok, thanky

also what blessings/perks?

[tiny summit]

Onslaught/Surgical is the go to combo for faster charge and increased crit as you aim. You can argue for something else on the 2 over onslaught since it already has the fastest charge so you may not feel the need for the decreased charge and less time in between shots to increase crit chance

[shrewd acorn]

Should i keep this chaxe or send it to the omnissaiah for a max rev?

[junior needle]

That's salvageable

Also rev it up is a shit blessing

Absolutely dog

Does nothing

[tiny summit]

Salvageable until you get better

[junior needle]

Oh wait you used a craft already

[tiny summit]

It's absolutely not. Not everything is about dmg

[dusty sluice]

ah ok, and i'm assuming flakiac for the perks right?

[cinder wing]

yo knife is hard to use

[fresh mango]

I had a thought regarding the bolter

Give some muhfuckin splash damage

[junior needle]

I can't think of any situation where you'd want rev it up over headtaker/slaughter/even the bleed on special one

[shrewd acorn]

Fair

thanks for the input!

[tall torrent]

Flanking with infiltrate

[tiny summit]

Haven't done numbers. Maniac is a go to. Flak depending on your stat roll may not be required to get 1 tap potential on scab gunners

[tall torrent]

You move a lot faster for special maneuvers

But yea it’s a niche one

5% move speed
Infiltrate +25% move speed
Rev it up +20% move speed

You’re the emperor’s fastest guardsman

[tiny summit]

It's a niche and the movespeed is nice. Just because it has a niche for movement doesn't mean it's dogwater

[sharp ember]

downed teammate +20% move speed

[tall torrent]

You move so fast that your son (if u had one) would probably get a white scar gene-seed

[cinder wing]

knife very hard

[shrewd acorn]

I think i'll spend it for the blessing, simply because I'm really enjoying chainswords (was an axe guy for a long time). By the time I decide to branch out into chaxes, i'll probably have found a good one again

[tiny summit]

We gotta ration the splash dmg in a horde shooter fatshark said

[junior needle]

Hmm yes, if you leave the clearing to your teammates you don't need better melee blessings

[tiny summit]

My guy the weapon isn't a wet noodle with rev it up

[junior needle]

It's not that it detracts from the weapon

It's that it's not nearly as useful comparatively as other options

Which goes for a lot of blessings

I think they should have a slot for utility blessings

Maybe it can be a thing for red weapons

[tiny summit]

For some people movement can be far more useful. Also movement speed to close the gap for my intended target is nice

[cinder wing]

knife tips? it's tricky

[junior needle]

Ehhhh, for such a short duration I'm hardly impressed.

[tiny summit]

Be gooder? Idk dance around the horde better. Using infiltrate? Use it when the shotgun squad rolls up

[junior needle]

There's not exactly a lack of movement speed in the game already

[tiny summit]

2 secs is short and also long is the heat of the horde

[junior needle]

I'd just rather have better horde cutting than a conditional short duration movement speed boost

In all circumstances

Does that chainaxe even clear well?

I felt like it didn't do well in the psyk but I was using a gray one

[torn root]

Bolter already has collateral
Why the want for splash?

[fresh mango]

It BARELY HAS collateral

[junior needle]

Collateral is stagger/suppression

I don't think the stat affects any aoe for shots

But let me check

[fresh mango]

I was literally shooting in between a snipers legs and it wasnt being supressed

[sharp ember]

highly recommend +3 stamina curio if you aren’t using one

[junior needle]

It does not

[fresh mango]

I want actual splash damage and maybe slightly better mass pen

[sharp ember]

i think they meant collateral in the collateral damage sense

[tiny summit]

You will see like minimal to no splash dmg on a lot of weapons. I was so disappointed seeing the splash dmg on the grenadier gauntlets shot

[fresh mango]

The splash is also the least is my wants

[torn root]

^

[fresh mango]

More ammo, faster draw speed, maybe like 5-10% more damage so it can one shot headshot a tox flamer

[junior needle]

The original guy did, but I was responding to this

[tiny summit]

I feel like punching a hole through someone's chest with a bolter round should do more and penetrate. Just me

[fresh mango]

Exactly

[gusty bison]

It bodyshots a toxflamer thou

(With surgical)

[fresh mango]

I feel like im being gaslighted

[gusty bison]

But that should mean an easy 1 tap head with precision

[sharp ember]

nahhh, big revolver bullet stronger than bolt gun

[gusty bison]

Since a crit bodyshot = non crit headshot

[fresh mango]

Youre gaslighting me

my bolter with surgical did not one shot the toxflamer

[gusty bison]

Mine has + maniac

Comfy 1 tap

[fresh mango]

So does mine

[torn root]

Meant to type more splash
Not gunna lie didn't even realize the collateral stat on bolter

[gusty bison]

Whats ur talents

[fresh mango]

i also have +vs elite and +weakl spot in the tree

[sharp ember]

how short does your bolter fall from it

[fresh mango]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ae564fd-92ba-40fb-9f89-ba2c14fedf58/mark-bolter-2

[sharp ember]

flamers aren’t elite for the record, they’re specialist

[torn root]

The gun does "splash" technically, and I don't understand the use of both being in the same game meaning two different things talking about guns

[gusty bison]

Ye

Mine 1 taps no problem without tag

[junior needle]

It used to be mislabeled as stopping power, it didn't actually change your armor damage though

[gusty bison]

Are u within 8m?

[void fjord]

What should I slap on this thing? https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2307596441896916540/D45B8B530C3E148469C585B49F74D6AB99A0E886/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

[sharp ember]

reload speed to maniac, either blessing to Gets Hot or Blaze Away 3

[fresh mango]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1L4bfD1nUQHdi3/d1337Q1jzA3y?invite=cr-MSw3REQsMjAzODY4NTAxLA

I just think this is ridiculous

[sharp ember]

maniac will help you 1shot pesky specials and 2 shot dreg ragers

[sharp ember]

the gyrojet doesn’t explode within 8m as a safety

[old quail]

bolter has a minimum arming distance

[sharp ember]

back up

[void fjord]

Thanks!

[old quail]

gotta shoot from further away yeah

[sharp ember]

but the splash damage IS trash though

[fresh mango]

it supresses

wow

but no splash damage

THATS my point

[sharp ember]

it’s just stagger

[fresh mango]

supress stagger whatever

the 0 splash whatsoever was what i was pointing out

[sharp ember]

maybe a heavy variant boltgun in the future

[thick fossil]

Is there an alternative to Deadly Accurate for the Lasgun Mk I and Mk IV? It feels bad

[dense gyro]

which plasma looks to be the better of the two?

[fresh mango]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-tanamen-gecky-incorporeal-gif-21102682

[sharp ember]

honestly whenever i have a bolter teammate and they start grazing a daemonhost i get scared

[fresh mango]

thought there are bolter variants in the files apparently

[gusty bison]

Longshot is +10% damage at 8m

0% under 8m

[fresh mango]

not what the point is

[tiny summit]

Right but what are you doing with charge speed?

[dense gyro]

not sure tbh, does it let me shoot faster or make a charged shot quicker?

[sharp ember]

gonna say left, and change the reload perk to a common enemy armor

[junior needle]

Charge shots charge faster

[serene sage]

seems fine 👍

[keen wharf]

i honestly shouldnt need todo that, the Random Recoil going around in a circle is what annoys me, its not predictable. i could just use the Agripinaa Mk I and do just as good if not better due to the Recoil being predictable.

[paper flax]

69% penetration

nice

[tiny summit]

Change volatile. Charge is redundant to how powerful tap firing plasma already is

[fresh mango]

i feel like my point has been ignored

[tiny summit]

But does the agri stagger and open up a bulwark?

[sharp ember]

both of their stopping powers are too low but they’re close enough to eachother to probably not make a difference

[gusty bison]

Yes

[fresh mango]

yeah it started one shotting again, wasnt sure why it didnt when i tried earlier

[gusty bison]

Arm hit

[fresh mango]

?

[gusty bison]

Arms have a reduced damage mult

[fresh mango]

No it shot the head and one shot

[gusty bison]

Then u prolly were standing too close

[fresh mango]

I was 4m away

[sharp ember]

Do you lack Headhunter to pair with it? No Respite and Opening Salvo are ok alternatives if you lack that blessing combo

[gusty bison]

Ye

8m is the sweet spot

8+

Under 8 just melee them

[keen wharf]

just wait for it to swing and dodge back then kill it in 2 seconds with a Salvo?

[thick fossil]

Is just that Deadly Accurate (asides fighting vs bosses) is too random, I don't have direct control on when to crit. It ends up being a complete overkill most of the time, and is not like it fixes the "you can't deal with carapace problem".

[serene sage]

I think Long Shot starts at 10m?

[fresh mango]

I one shot it at 2/4m , Im just saying it didnt earlier and then it again just now

[gusty bison]

8

[serene sage]

even better

[gusty bison]

U can test it

[thick fossil]

Yeah, I know. And if you don't fire at full speed the Mk 1 is going to outperform it, to me is the kind of weapon that requires inhuman "skills" to be used at it's full potential if you catch what I am talking about.

[serene sage]

it's okay i trust you

[keen wharf]

the sad truth is, even with a Godroll Agripinaa Mk I, the Columnus Mk V out performs it.

[woven garnet]

What exactly is the Plasma's Guns play style?

It's powerful but awkward.

[midnight totem]

you blaze away laughing like a maniac

until you have to awkwardly vent

[woven garnet]

Sounds like my life.

[midnight totem]

So you should be used to it

[thick fossil]

Ohh yeah, 100%.

[woven garnet]

We are symbiotic. The plasma gun and I.

[midnight totem]

Nah, the plasma gun is effective for everything but gunning down hordes

You can't really aim for the head with it, but you can if you're good enough

the bolter can kill faster and with more precision, but the plasma gun is great for heavy duty generalist work

I found my first power cycler 1

what should I replace on this power sword?

[tiny summit]

Shoot stuff. If you have a plasma gun no one should be having to worry about a tagged sniper

[soft solstice]

plasma gun is all about deleting most units in the game in 1-2 shots from pretty much any range

[dense gyro]

even if i spam shot?

[tiny summit]

Supercharge

[soft solstice]

and I feel like it is pretty precise, you can't ADS with it but I feel like the shots land pretty consistently

and for what it is it has alot of ammo. The fire rate is somewhat limited and you have to deal with heat so the DPS is limited compared to like, a brace auto gun or bolter which can spam, but you can get a consistent elite/special killer every second with it, even more with collats

[sharp ember]

plasma magazine is karking enormous, you should strive to only reload during quiet moments

[dense gyro]

gotcha

[sharp ember]

and if you’re in a big hurry, you can do reload animation skip tech

[soft solstice]

the reload doesn't feel as bad as other guns to me, and you can save it for quiet moments, but I tend to end up running dry in the middle of gunning down a group of specials because I forgot to reload

[sharp ember]

there’s a youtube video demonstrating plasma reload tech

[quasi socket]

thats the wrong blessing melk...F

[soft solstice]

Plasma compliments kraks, kraks have more of an AOE so they can both get collats in different situations, and plasma is good for hitting all the targets that kraks can't stick to

[tiny summit]

"I don't see your bitch ass have it"

[frail bolt]

i reblessed the other one for power cycler but wut should i replace the perk with?

or should i just eat it for rampage

which i dont have

[shrewd acorn]

What stats should I be looking for on a chaxe?

[frail bolt]

mobility and def are throwaway

dmg, penetration and shred

[tall torrent]

Plasma is perfectly on point and suffers no negative effects on accuracy from suppression like helbore lasguns

[frail bolt]

eh.. screw it, i'll prob reroll specialist dmg for maniac

[dense gyro]

other question- does the slightly reduced thermal justify higher damage?

[frail bolt]

go into meat grinder and do what i call the 50% test

shoot until it reaches 50%

and look at how many times you can shoot it

afterwards, look at the dmg stat

and see if the numbers are a huge diff

if it's like.... 50 points diff, i say the higher thermal wins

[tall torrent]

If you can get 8 regular shots out before it needs to be vented, it’s fine

Aim for maximum breakpoint efficiency (damage & stopping power) above thermal resistance

[sharp ember]

i think thermal can be like 65% at the minimum and still have 8/8 uncharged shots from 0 heat

somewhere around that thermal value

luv maxxing out damage and stopping power to meet 1shot breakpoints

[dense gyro]

gotcha, that makes sense

since I have a bunch of bonus weak spot damage already, should I take more damage on it with the perk or go for something else?

[keen wharf]

the saddest 550 you'll ever see.

[dense gyro]

headhunter autogun 💀

[bitter turtle]

Plasma already kills almost all of krak targets

[keen wharf]

im so sad i had to keep poxwalker perk.

[bitter turtle]

Run shredder

[soft solstice]

a solid melee like shovel or power sword or tact axe can take care of crowds, and kraks is a free charged plasma shot in a can that recharges every minute and doesn't mess with my heat and stuff

[bitter turtle]

There's a reason shredder is the most popular nadeand its not bc people don't use psword

Shredders save runs

[soft solstice]

shredders do be pretty good, but kraks are good and also work better with how much I absolutely hate using nades

[bitter turtle]

2x shredder is a huge aoe clear

1x is a knockdown like an extra shout

[frail bolt]

how does one build this?

as a crit hitter?

[soft solstice]

I hate having to take 3 seconds to throw a grenade in horde situations, while with kraks you usualy don't have to worry at all about it. You see a crusher or a group of maulers in the distance, you throw a krak at them while nothing is bothering you

[bitter turtle]

Try underhand throw

It's fast

[soft solstice]

and also bosses

You have to press G, wait for you to pull the nade out, press the button since it forces you to aim it, and then you have to throw it, I just wish that I could press the button and it just throws instantly

being able to time both my kraks and shout to stun a boss for like 15 seconds with no effort is nice

[bitter turtle]

Unironically sounds more like a skill issue, shredders are one of the strongest parts of vet kit

Some ppl don't even run keystone just to take more grenade perks lol

It's really gud

AM hordes get so chaotic nowadays

[frail bolt]

what would i also swap out?

[bitter turtle]

You get a new gun, that stopping power is atrocious

Also you want to replace at least 3/4

Which is not good

Stopping affects your dmg vs armor like flak

You don't want it that low

[soft solstice]

shredders are 100% great, my second veteran has a shredder build where I run all 5 grenade talents and spam them

[raven carbon]

what perks are best on plasma gun?

[bitter turtle]

Personally kraks are best for bypassing bulwark imo

But plasma already makes them drop shield

[serene sage]

most informed Reddit user

[bitter turtle]

Must be the same guy the other day saying revolver overrated bc you run out of ammo magdumping hordes w/ it :^)

[umbral scaffold]

craziest damnation match ive been through (i didnt die)

[serene sage]

yeah there are some horrible takes with hundred of upvotes

[bitter turtle]

There was one thread

[serene sage]

people are so deep in denial that plasma and revolver are OP
then somehow blame the Bolter for not doing the same thing Plasma and Revolver can do

[bitter turtle]

Ppl were getting up voted for saying

Coherency is more important than dmg done as a stat on scoreboard

I'll just stand next to teammates and not shoot

[serene sage]

for malice gameplay when you can't dodge

[bitter turtle]

Optimal reddit play

[serene sage]

👍

[gusty bison]

Plasma i would say is just really really easy to use

To the point where its really hard to fuck up with it

[serene sage]

it also does too much damage with literally 100 cleave and wall piercing

[bitter turtle]

Tactical reload after every shot

That's how

[thick fossil]

What should I change for this chainaxe? I am using it with a lasgun Mk 1

[gusty bison]

The damage imho isnt that special. Its comparable to a helbore

The cleave deffo is something

[bitter turtle]

I think it's weird how fast it is compared to bolter too

Only the reload is slow

[serene sage]

admittedly I think Bolter draw should be slitghly improved

[gusty bison]

Yea slowing down swap speed of plasma frankly would be the best way to balance it

[soft solstice]

the wall penetration on plasma is great

it's weird how not heavy it feels

[gusty bison]

Its in the realm of Helbore, Bolter and those hard hitting slow swappers

But it has a swap speed comparable to IAGs

[bitter turtle]

Ya it's fast enough to go on wep specialist builds

That just seems bizarre thematically

[gusty bison]

Id make it like between the iLas and the HB for swap speed

Around flamer

(Ignoring the RMB twist)

[soft solstice]

a 100% crit on it sounds monsterous but I feel like ammo on it would be too low for specialist

[gusty bison]

Plasma crits are meh

Plasma has garbo finesse

[soft solstice]

that's kind of why I never run new revolver on specialist

[gusty bison]

New volver has more ammo thou

Than old volver

[bitter turtle]

Wepspecialist with Plas is less about the crit and more just cause it's a melee heavy weapon in the first place

The passive reloading is nice too

[soft solstice]

it does but I value my melee stacks more th an my ranged one, I want that sweet attack speed and dodge counter

plasma pistol crit is an efficent swap for a single shot before switching right back to my melee

[gusty bison]

Tbf this is another thing about plasma

It forces u to use ur melee more. And vet melee is fucking cracked

So performance goes up

[bitter turtle]

Ya I mean melee > marksman builds atm

Not that marksman sucks

[gusty bison]

Melee stronk

[bitter turtle]

But melee is just nutty

[sharp ember]

great chaxe, you can use it as is, or swap slaughterer to thunderous

thunderous has synergy with bloodletter, the bleed ticks build brittleness for you, and one revved heavy will kill a crusher for you

the tradeoff being that you're relying on raw weapon stats to fight hordes with

but i do quite well with that setup

the Unarmored perk may help you kill dregs and headshotting the bald scab bruisers

[bitter turtle]

Don't point out their baldness

They're insecure about that

[crude ermine]

Fuck they gonna do, tell their parents?

[serene sage]

grandpa Nurgle would probably listen

tbh

[crude ermine]

Ah shit yeah

Forgot he's not like the others

[junior needle]

Not anymore, unless fatshark bungled it somehow

[sharp ember]

it should be hip right now, but i may as well hop on and double check

[placid portal]

Ye I think they patched it but sounded like they only patched it for burning

[frail bolt]

yeah. but i usually see stopping power as something niche at times since it's cc in this regards

which is helpful, but i took what i could get

[placid portal]

Stopping power is dmg modifiet + stagger

[bitter turtle]

It's stagger and dmg

[frozen meadow]

Thunderous takes advantage of kantreal fire? I wanna try this

[bitter turtle]

You can check in game

If you hover over it in inspect

[placid portal]

Game is kind to tell us the numbers for what it does

Except explaining blessings

[frozen meadow]

Never knew, ty

[bitter turtle]

So ya you really don't want it low

[frozen meadow]

Because I assumed for example bleed and fire would trigger onslaught but it doesn't

[junior needle]

They used to

[placid portal]

I thought it was only bleed

[bitter turtle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/laspistol/accatran-mg-mk-ii-heavy-laspistol

[junior needle]

Both did last I checked

[bitter turtle]

You can see it under stats

[frozen meadow]

Would be nice if explicitly said in the perks

[sharp ember]

yeah, it's still hip

[junior needle]

But that was before fatsharka ddressed it in the patch notes

[bitter turtle]

It has stagger but dmg is also affected

[placid portal]

Mk10 laspistol really nice vs flak

[sharp ember]

let me check infernus

[junior needle]

Does it work with onslaught too or just that?

[placid portal]

Super high flak modifier

[frozen meadow]

What is this mod

That lets you see what their states are

[sharp ember]

Debuff Indicator

[placid portal]

Check nexus mods

[frozen meadow]

Cheers

[frail bolt]

ah

[frozen meadow]

Will be useful for testing

[frail bolt]

any recommendations for a build for it?

[sharp ember]

does not work with Onslaught, brittleness needs to be sourced from a melee weapon blessing

[bitter turtle]

For laspistol? I know ppl say dumdum but I don't actually do laspistol so idk

Infernus should be good for monstros but probably eh on other targets I'd guess

[frank ether]

I love chainaxe now

[thick fossil]

I see, thx for the advice, I'll try thunderous

[bitter turtle]

You can prob search laspistol stuff

[junior needle]

Good to know, probably gonna get removed at some point since fatshark apparently doesnt like dots applying debuffs

[bitter turtle]

Ppl ask about it a lot

[junior needle]

ghost/dumdum/infernus is the usual trifecta of laspis blessings. Ghost is for if you're running deadshot, which I advise for it.

Infernus got axed in value since it can't apply onslaught anymore

[sand oracle]

Ghost is more useful even without deadshot IMHO. Dumdum just doesn't add enough for me.

[sharp ember]

extra: holding chainaxe with thunderous works on infernus DoT, same with shredder nade bleed

[sand oracle]

Not when you can simply elect to ignore full rooms of shooters

[junior needle]

They're not mutually exclusive, but if you're using the laspis as a marksman weapon then the effect falls off at about 21m~

Pretty big boost up close though

[sand oracle]

I think the laspistol works best as a spot-weapon, where you just use it to make up for the pitfalls of the group - because it's a good all rounder that lets you have a lot of breathing room with it's mobility.

[bitter turtle]

Why not dumdum ghost then

Can't imagine infernus adds all that much outside of monstro

[sand oracle]

So I feel it's better to have Ghost, which is useful at all ranges, compared to dumdum, which has effect on .... Let's be real, just maulers and flak ragers.

[sand oracle]

Infernus is very strong against everything that isn't flak, and you really can't discount monstrosity damage.

Especially not when the laspistol packs a solid punch against them as is.

[junior needle]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[sand oracle]

IMO, Laspistol is a good monst. weapon because of just how much mobility you get... I frequently solo bosses with just laspistol when I'm the last man alive.

[junior needle]

Most things die before you get any appreciable value from infernus

That's the big issue with it

[bitter turtle]

That's what I thought at least

[sand oracle]

Dumdum saves /maybe/ one shot, though.

Infernus saves like 30

But on one enemy type that you will get in 90% of matches.

[junior needle]

Well on a boss then sure

[sand oracle]

and it saves plenty on ogryn too.

Paired with ghost, infernus deletes reapers.

[junior needle]

It only adds like 200~ dps or so

[frozen meadow]

can confirm fletchette nor fire from inernus or kantreal triggers onsalught

shame

[junior needle]

Maybe less now actually

[bitter turtle]

Yeah they patched it all

[frozen meadow]

would have been a dirty combo

[junior needle]

Actually, how often does infernus tick

Let me check

[sand oracle]

I still dislike dumdum, because vet's melee game is already strong enough that if you're shooting in melee distance you're either in serious trouble and are trying to just save some toughness, or are actively throwing somehow.

I have a 95th~ precentile godrolled Psword and trench fighter drill. If I can't kill anything less than a mauler / crusher Horde in melee, I'm in serious trouble.

[thick fossil]

That is quite nice

Hmm I know infantry las and helbores are kinda meh weapons, but I can't help it but like the infantry las better. The ability to just do everything fast is so nice.

[bitter turtle]

Helbores are good

[thick fossil]

I wish

[bitter turtle]

One of the best melee weapons

[thick fossil]

Eeh

[bitter turtle]

With a gun attached

[sand oracle]

Unlimited ammo and the ability to one shot everything below Crushers and Mutants.

Also is helbore bayonet good now?

It used to be a meme.

[bitter turtle]

Last patch

It was the undisputed best melee

Lol

They nerfed it with a bugfix