veteran-class

[idle carbon]

no

[unreal bone]

Thought so.

[idle carbon]

though some stuff got added to the files

[shadow aurora]

Just wondering if it worked differently because its three with one pull

[unreal bone]

Too generous for them to release something a few days before christmas.

[unreal bone]

Shit man we've had shit in the files since beginning of 2023.

Like the Cadian sets.

[idle carbon]

apparently some of those got marked for commodore's release with the last hotfix

also this is one of the things that got added in that same hotfix

[unreal bone]

We're not getting Cadian outfits till Septeber.

I would be SURPRISED if we got them pre-september.

Like genuinely awestruck.

[shadow aurora]

We'll probably get something right after Christmas. Its not a good idea to release it before

[unreal bone]

Well the week after christmas is the normal shop rotation

AND

[idle carbon]

it's the standard 2 week schedule, they've broken that like once since the shop started regular rotations

[unreal bone]

It should just be normal repeats

Cause last rotation was new Rogue Trader stuff

Can imagine we will just get repeats the week after christmas.

[shadow aurora]

Oh didnt know it was on schedule

Neat

[unreal bone]

Yes

[shadow aurora]

Wish we had a shop time counter

[unreal bone]

It goes | New - Old - New - Old

[idle carbon]

funny, we used to
and them people didn't want that FOMO shit, so they removed it
we still have the FOMO shit

[shadow aurora]

"Fomo shit"?

[idle carbon]

feeling of missing out, go look it up

[shadow aurora]

I mean it takes over a month for stuff to go out of rotation if you miss out thats your fault tbh

Or you just shouldnt be buying it in the first place

[idle carbon]

please don't try to justify anti-consumer practices :P

[shadow aurora]

Every single game does it nowadays not justifying it. Its just reality

No point being upset over something that is not going to change

[idle carbon]

just because it's common doesn't mean it's right or morally correct

[shadow aurora]

Never said it was

Now i dont want to talk about this anymore

[pearl granite]

is this good? hadron just gave it to me

[radiant plank]

welp my first power sword with power cycler

[sage agate]

very nice

[gusty bison]

Thrust 4 is solid

[sage agate]

swap out crit chance for flak/maniac and idk with specialist and its pretty perfect

[gusty bison]

If nothing else thats a good slurp

[radiant plank]

any recommendations for perks/blessings to be changed?

[gusty bison]

Oterwise its a fine shovel

[pearl granite]

thanks guys

[gusty bison]

Eh swap perks to flak + maniac?

The blessings are fine

[sage agate]

get power cycle 4

[radiant plank]

one day

[radiant plank]

will do

[sage agate]

also uhh what's the meta blessing?

i think it's either rampage or some power increasing blessimg

[radiant plank]

is it worth swaapping out wrath for brutal momentum3

[gusty bison]

Yes

[sage agate]

don't need wrath with the special's cleave

[radiant plank]

or sunder or supercharge 4?

[jade notch]

Power Cycler 4 and Brutal Momentum is usually the recommended Blessings for Power Swords

[sage agate]

brutal momentum sounds right

[sage agate]

pc4 and brutal

unyielding is an ok perk to have, but I'd roll for better Perks and one of those blessings

[radiant plank]

i'll do this when i get a better power sword haha

not exactly swimming in plasteel

[sage agate]

time to hit the quickplay bricks

[unreal bone]

Guys just imagine how good the new Scion helmet would look

with the green version of that red set?

I got a hot take here though.

Solar Auxillia are cooler than Tempestus Scions

[pearl granite]

I exclusively use quickplay and still run out of plasteel this week 😢

emperor must be sad

[midnight mortar]

Yeah... but we're never going to get more solar auxilia ever.

We're 10,000 years too late.

[unreal bone]

Ehhhh.. Never in Darktide yes, but the lore it's possible.

Solar Auxilia tech is being recovered

[midnight mortar]

Yeah but that's different from Solar Auxilia battalions being founded again.

[unreal bone]

You can't found them if you can't arm them.

First step is to get the tech.

[idle carbon]

For The Drip mod to the rescue
also I'm red green colorblind and can't tell the difference easily, so I don't even need the mod lol

[midnight mortar]

We already have the Guard. The improved advanced tech would be issued to already existing regiments.

Or Scions.

[unreal bone]

I bet GW is considering it, like a Primaris version for Imperial Guard. -.-

[gusty bison]

Read: Horded by the mechanicus

[midnight mortar]

Or-yeah hoarded by the Mechanicus.

[midnight mortar]

It wouldn't make much sense in my opinion. People can buy super surgery on super humans.

[unreal bone]

Honestly barring the Mechanicus being dicks, I don't think they'd hand out Solar Auxilia gear to regular regiments, they have limited means of production compared to the 30th mil.

And Tempestus Scions are fine as shock troopers, they don't use any real armor besides like fast transports if any.

Solar Auxilia have their own tank patterns and everything.

[gusty bison]

Most of their tech isnt even lost tbh

Just hard to produce

Their armour? Yea thats just souped up scion armor. Cheaper than power armour

[unreal bone]

Basically Solar Auxilia would be a perfect bridge between regimental guardsmen and space marines imo.

Cause Space Marines are still way more expensive and harder to produce.

You'd have like regular regiments doing their thing, Tempestus Scions being fast attack shocktroops like always, then Solar Auxilia being roided up regiments.

[sage agate]

im getting buyers remorse for the red set now that I realize there's a green one

tho the headset is cool

[unreal bone]

Dude that set has been in the game code forever

It's not coming out till September

IF IT EVER COMES OUT AT ALL

[sage agate]

didn't get check cosmetics mod till after

[unreal bone]

I'm telling you

if we don't see that set by this coming september

it is never coing out

[sage agate]

they're gonna IV drip our drip

[sage agate]

can't release it too quick

[unreal bone]

No dude I'm telling you I would bet my fucking nuts on it

if we don't see those cadian sets by September

they are never coming out.

If they do not release before or during the release of Space Marine 2

they are fucking lost to Fartsharts memory.

September 19th, that is the deadline for those Cadian sets.

If they aren't in the shop on the September 19th reset which is the next shop reset after the release of Space Marine 2 which has had ties to Cadian guardsmen along the Ultramarines.

Then they are never coming.

[sage agate]

got DAMN i want the drip now, but ik we won't see any new shit for another month or two

implying they even rotate in new shit instead of old sets

[unreal bone]

Our next new shop reset is POSSIBLY this coming Thursday, if they keep with their original schedule.

If not then it'll be 2 weeks after this coming thursday.

The Rogue Trader sets came out on a repeat refresh day.

So it's basically do they restart the back and fourth, or do they just keep up with their original rotation.

If it's the original then we will see new stuff this coming thursday.

[sage agate]

they have a shop schedule?

[unreal bone]

I think they have to tbh, they just added new winter sets to the code. And look at that it's the shop reset after the winter holiday.

Yeah they do lmao

It's bi-weekly and resets on every thursday.

So 2 weeks per shot reset, and it cycles back and fourth between old and new.

So you get 1 old and 1 new per month

[sage agate]

also quick note, damn I love the vets rogue trader set

shits drippy

[unreal bone]

I don't care for it.

If I wanted to look like a fucking pimp or a pirate I'd go play a different game.

I want to look like a dark gritty guardsmen.

[sage agate]

i think i heard thru the grapevine somewhere that the white cosmetic sets were going to be free Xmas cosmetics, but don't take my word for it

[unreal bone]

Free?

https://tenor.com/view/barney-no-himym-barney-smile-no-hm-no-barney-gif-26652793

[sage agate]

the moebjan ones were, so not outside the realm of possibility

[unreal bone]

The moebian ones were their way of not paying us aquilas we were owed.

That's why they were free.

[sage agate]

could be trying to buy that steam awards

[unreal bone]

They owed people aquilas so instead they just made a free bundle.

Which was supposed to be pc only, except Xbox players could get it also.

🤣

[sage agate]

tbh not even that mad since they gave me the jingling keys moebian set, some of them look nice

tho i still clutch my pearls

[unreal bone]

Fartshart really fucked up the Zealot set though tbh.

Idk I'm not pearl clutching it's not that hard to paint the chest and the pants the same damn color.

[sage agate]

the chest just looks like a vet

[unreal bone]

No not that

The pants and the chest on the zealot

are two different colors of blue

[sage agate]

[unreal bone]

Pants are dark blue, top are moebian blue

go look

[sage agate]

that's so goofy

[unreal bone]

Fucking annoys the fuck out of me.

It probably took more effort to fuck it up than to do it right.

Cause you can just copy the color code for the shirt and copy it on the pants.

See this shit.

https://tenor.com/view/rage-angry-boogie-dance-o-ya-ya-gif-23803088

How hard could it of been to take the color you put on the backpack, the chest, the veteran set, the psyker set, and the ogryn set.

And put it on the Zealot's pants.

[dapper vessel]

this looks ugly

[sage agate]

you look ugly

[frank ledge]

Why bring a veteran

if you can bring 3 ogryns and a vet

[gusty bison]

Roll out the red sofa

[frank ledge]

Glugger is just vet, but better

you only 1 vet so gluggers don't go dry

and cry and sob and cope about it

[dapper vessel]

ok Mr. "another succesful hot takes"

[vivid bolt]

Just ignore this guy yall

[gusty bison]

Red. Sofa.

[frank ledge]

I have brought a red sofa

[shadow aurora]

Brown. Bricks.

[final meadow]

Optimus?

[frank ledge]

welp another fail, 3 wins, 1 loss

we'll get them next time

[gusty bison]

Now put the ogryns behind the sofa and the vet on it

Problem solved

[frank ledge]

[solemn niche]

unarmored flak or flak maniacs ?

[thick rose]

when a maniac charges me I spray their ass with my IAG. so I would probably go flak. but I am also an idiot that hates stats.

[sturdy swan]

maniacs bc they are tankier

[vivid bolt]

Flakiac

[solemn niche]

alright, i went for flak+maniacs

[vivid bolt]

It covers the most enemy types that you need extra damage on

[solemn niche]

if it sucks i will hold you personally responsible

[thick rose]

with chainswords I want one hit kills on unarmored and flak basics

[waxen abyss]

Holding leux responsible is a discord tradition dw

[hybrid willow]

Finally, my suffering has ended

[vivid bolt]

go for it

[bitter turtle]

Wow

[forest scaffold]

imready.wav

[bitter turtle]

Look at that finesse roll

Might as well trash it and start over

jk

[forest scaffold]

replace perks with maniac/unyielding

and you have a damn near perfect power sword

[strange sparrow]

Here's why I said I don't really have fundamental problem but Man I just dont get how Vets regen Toughness

Like this is 5 at level 23

Basically half the time im competing to kill specialist?

[bitter turtle]

Press shout

Regain toughness

[strange sparrow]

So Im forced to always run VoC

[forest scaffold]

Uh, okay

[bitter turtle]

Infiltrate also regains toughness

[forest scaffold]

So here's the thing

[strange sparrow]

I dont see a lot of people in pubs run Infiltrate

Was there a reason why

[bitter turtle]

Poor position on the tree

[forest scaffold]

Here's your options for toughness regeneration

[bitter turtle]

You are taxed like 3 points minimum for doing infil

[strange sparrow]

How Out For Blood work

[forest scaffold]

Confirmed Kill and Exhilirating Takedown are the best.

[strange sparrow]

I dont think killing trash trigger it right

[bitter turtle]

It's a good skill cursed by being far from survivalist

Ck and et are also good and most builds take one at least

[forest scaffold]

Native toughness regeneration on melee kill is 5%

On ranged kill its 0%

Out For Blood makes melee kills regen 8.5% toughness and ranged kills 3.5%

With say, power sword, you can kill 4-6 enemies per swing with brutal momentum.

34-51% toughness per swing

on power sword

[strange sparrow]

Not really able to get Psword yet (PowerCycler Blessings) because leveling character

[forest scaffold]

Now, that's just the most egregious melee option veteran has, but it makes you functionally invulnerable so long as you're not stupid and try to facetank 9 ragers.

[bitter turtle]

Just run shout and et or ck

[forest scaffold]

No

[bitter turtle]

If you have toughness problems still its unironically a skill issue

[forest scaffold]

I refuse to let a new player crutch on a stupidly overpowered skill

instead of just getting good at the game.

[strange sparrow]

Im not even new thou

[forest scaffold]

Well, if you can't manage toughness on vet, you have clear issues with your fundamental mechanics of the game.

So I'm treating you like you are new, because you are in this way.

[solemn niche]

well im happy i did maniacs on the chainsword

i can oneshot flamers with a poke attack headshot

[bitter turtle]

Shout isn't a crutch in the strict definition of the word

[forest scaffold]

So, I'd suggest being far more patient in melee combat and not taking so many dumb risks. Add in more shoves to your melee combat loop, more push attacks.

[bitter turtle]

It's just easy to use and the most effective skill in terms of how little investment it needs on the tree

[strange sparrow]

I mean yeah sure, while running on white dc and white columnus

[forest scaffold]

If blocking weren't so dogshit in DT, I'd suggest working that in too but Fatshark needs to buff native block efficiency on literally every melee weapon in the game by a bunch.

[forest scaffold]

No its definitely a crutch that allows players to make terrible positioning decisions.

[bitter turtle]

Infil would see more use if it wasn't in the shittiest spot possible

[strange sparrow]

Im still dont get why people get so butthurt when Im asking are you competing to kill specialist

which is yes, you are competing to kill specialist to prompt that ability

[bitter turtle]

Crutch implies it makes good players using it play worse

That is where the word comes from

[forest scaffold]

That is literally not what it means

[bitter turtle]

Yes it does

That's where the word comes from

[forest scaffold]

A crutch is a figure of speech that describes something that is used as a surrogate or substitute for a more ideal solution or approach, as in the use of medical crutches as an assistance device for walking. The term also implies a degree of habitual laziness.

[bitter turtle]

Like how someone bad at walking uses a crutch but it hampers someone walking properly

Yes

[forest scaffold]

In this case, it allows players to ignore the gameplay loop of dodging and blocking because they're lazy.

[bitter turtle]

Shout is ideal for even good players

[forest scaffold]

And just use shout instead to become invulnerable and knock everyone back.

[strange sparrow]

I dont even know what is going on

[forest scaffold]

Ergo: it is a crutch

[bitter turtle]

There is not a more ideal approach on the tree to begin with

[lusty coral]

i use stealth :>

[bitter turtle]

Stealth is good but cursed by a bad spot on the tree

[forest scaffold]

No, the ideal approach is to not take hits in the first place

[strange sparrow]

I run Auric 5 Mael with Zealot and Psyker consistently and people telling me that my fundamental have problem

[forest scaffold]

by practicing good melee fundamentals

[strange sparrow]

then im asking how do I get better with Vets cuz Im starting a new character

[lusty coral]

look at my characters name....

[strange sparrow]

butthurt incomin

[bitter turtle]

Meta optimal trees by good players still run shout tho

[lusty coral]

shovel-jr

the best weapon in the game

shovel

[bitter turtle]

It's just lowest investment for the strongest team utility

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, because even though Shout is a dumbshit crutch, its the best combat ability on vet's tree hands down

[bitter turtle]

Yes

Read your own definition

Crutch implies there is a more optimal option

[forest scaffold]

The term also implies a degree of habitual laziness.

[bitter turtle]

A more ideal or optimal approach or solution

[forest scaffold]

This is the part that players crutch on.

[bitter turtle]

right there

[forest scaffold]

Not your hyperfixation on whatever the fuck this is

Players use it to get lazy in melee: Ergo, a crutch.

[bitter turtle]

It's in your own definition man

Idk what to say lul

[forest scaffold]

There's two different definitions there.

And you're hyperfixating on the one that doesn't matter.

[strange sparrow]

this is just weird chat

[pastel geode]

The heck did I walk in on?

[thick rose]

yeah it is

[strange sparrow]

They're debating about VoC being too strong and it help new player

[thick rose]

you walked in on a crazy slap fight in the mens bathroom

[bitter turtle]

I'm just reading the definition that you provided

[strange sparrow]

instead of saying that it is a utility skill compared to other 2 skill that Vet have

[forest scaffold]

No, kanji characters says its not a crutch.

[bitter turtle]

The part that is over half the text

Instead of the literal last sentence only supposedly like you wanted me to

[strange sparrow]

30 seconds CD of toughness regeneration + 50 Toughness, surely isn't the reason why it was good

[forest scaffold]

When VoC is very much a crutch players rely on to avoid needing to practice good melee fundamentals.

[bitter turtle]

Should have quoted less then ig

[pastel geode]

For the love of the god emperor don’t go getting VoC nerfed, we need what we can get

[thick rose]

there is a reason veteran's achieve is not being hit

[forest scaffold]

VoC should be 45 seconds for cooldown.

And there's a pretty good argument for 60 seconds.

thanks to this.

Like, lol.

Hi-STG spawns specialists in waves of 16

[strange sparrow]

as if you can kill specialist when there's an assail gunker player in your team

[forest scaffold]

you can reset your cooldown 3 times in one wave

Yeah, it really needs to be 30 seconds 🙄

[strange sparrow]

press F, get peril that give your toughness regeneration, get crit chance, get damage

even could go facetank some of the enemy on auric mael

Look at Vets in comparison

[bitter turtle]

I think infiltrate just needs to swap with exec and less ppl will take shout

[forest scaffold]

Vet and Ogryn are the best class in the game.

Just a skissue if you can't extract the value out of Vet

[bitter turtle]

Exec can go to the naughty corner with smoke until they make it suck less

[old quail]

i harvest my vets for value

[forest scaffold]

Skill floor isn't meaningfully low.

[thick rose]

when I got better with vet and doing aurics, it coincided with using voc to knock enemies and get openings for taking out specials when surrounded or to make time to drop a grenade or steroid to kill a big pack. I use it more often now to get out of fire or knock a dog or burster out of the air than to save myself from dying

[forest scaffold]

I present to you: Infinite Ammo, the gameplay loop

Again, skill issue

if you can't extract the value out of it

but the value is there, and ready to be taken.

Get good and you can have it too.

[strange sparrow]

Shrug

I mean sure, high skill character i guess

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, vet just has a fairly high barrier to entry.

That doesn't mean he's bad

It just means the people playing him are.

And then get madge cause they can't into gud

[bitter turtle]

Marksman vet is just objectively not as good as melee vet idk what to tell you

[thick rose]

its not like ogryn where you can regen toughness faster than enemies can take it away by just hitting shit

you gotta avoid getting hit

[bitter turtle]

And I'm saying that playing left side v7 in auric maelstrom only

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, its almost like you have to play the game

[bitter turtle]

There's a reason people keep shilling their dumb revolver and plasma shit

It's much better than marksman style builds

[strange sparrow]

I mean potentially vet ditch out highest potential damage but half the time, they're too busy getting lick by a poxwalker

[forest scaffold]

me when I enter exe stance and hyperfixate on my crosshair/ironsights

[strange sparrow]

then again, Psword Pcycler neutralize that but if you're leveling you don't get access to IV blessings

[bitter turtle]

Nah

[forest scaffold]

Tis a skissue

[thick rose]

if playing the game means playing it well (and well means closer to perfection) (and you ignore how a vast majority plays the game) (and want to be a blunt autistic person al lthe time) then you are 100% correct

[bitter turtle]

Melee vet is extremely good

[forest scaffold]

I'd be better at exe stance if I paid more attention

I just don't cause unwavering focus muscle memory

gotta break outta that mold

[bitter turtle]

The one thing I agree with puri here is if you have problems with melee vet it's genuinely a skill issue

[strange sparrow]

And the outcome was "You're just new" instead of realize that the audio que isn't accurate and you get hit quite a lot

[forest scaffold]

Vet's skill floor isn't even that high.

[bitter turtle]

Vet melee is stronger than its shooting atm lol

[forest scaffold]

Like, yes. It's higher than zealot and ogryn.

But its not unreachable.

[thick rose]

im not saying it is. i just try to remember a lot of people dont try as hard as some of us 😄

[forest scaffold]

I mean, that's fair.

But heresy and regular damnation are right there.

Or fuck, even malice.

You don't need to gobble slob all over auric and maelstrom to have fun.

[bitter turtle]

I don't agree exec is OK in its current design tho

[forest scaffold]

And if you do, dedicate the time and effort to deal with the difficulty bump.

Instead of getting mad that a class is harder to play.

[bitter turtle]

It's just not a very good skill compared to Infil or voc

[forest scaffold]

But. . . it is?

It changes breakpoints on literally every single ranged weapon vet has.

You just have to be more careful while using it cause stray enemies WILL punish you for a lack of situational awareness.

[bitter turtle]

The good weapons don't need it in the first place

[strange sparrow]

You get a lot of breakpoints for 5 seconds and hope your team doesn't kill those enemy before you so you could refresh

[forest scaffold]

For an infinite amount of time*

[strange sparrow]

Yea you dont read

[forest scaffold]

Everything in the game but ogryns and bruisers get highlighted.

[bitter turtle]

Even just decent weapons like v7 already hit all the relevant breakpoints without it

[solemn niche]

by that definition anything effective is a crutch

[strange sparrow]

maybe read a bit

[timid otter]

I think vet is mostly remarkable for the amount of small support it brings in ammo economy rather then anything else. Other classes outside of that outcompete it. Psyker doing more damage, Ogryn just being plain op and zealot just running past the entire map.

[solemn niche]

you are only crutchless if you play the most ineffective stuff possible

[forest scaffold]

Well, no.

[strange sparrow]

hope your team doesn't kill those enemy before you so you could refresh

[forest scaffold]

I've literally never had issues chasing highlighted enemies around the map to keep Exe Stance up for ungodly amounts of time.

[bitter turtle]

Thats why I wanted to clarify a crutch is a crutch if it's the easy option that isn't actually optimal lul

[strange sparrow]

I dont know about you but Im been playing damnation V as level 20 and doing good enough

[bitter turtle]

Voc is optimal

[strange sparrow]

just struggling to regen toughness overall

[forest scaffold]

Definitely within in the 35-Y seconds timeframe I'm granted by the CD and Tactical Awareness

[strange sparrow]

dont get the butthurt coming from

white DC and White Columnus

[bitter turtle]

Like I said

Just run voc and et or ck

[forest scaffold]

use confirmed kill and focus on elites as priority targets.

[bitter turtle]

If you still struggle

[forest scaffold]

Use exhilirating takedown and hit your headshots.

[bitter turtle]

Then just need practice

[forest scaffold]

Use out for blood and just shoot/melee enemies

[bitter turtle]

That should be more than enough

[forest scaffold]

And then just don't get hit in the first place.

Or, try your level best.

[strange sparrow]

Please just look at weakpoint hit

[solemn niche]

alternatively you could just play voice of command

[strange sparrow]

oh well

I just have skill issue ig

[forest scaffold]

Like

just don't get hit

and it won't really be an issue

[bitter turtle]

If you are struggling with voc and et/ck yes, sorry to say

[forest scaffold]

and if you do get hit, use OFB, Exhi Takedown or Confirmed Kill

if you're pathing through VoC, just pop it if your toughness goes down

That's really the trick with VoC

its a selfish ability

[timid otter]

Which melee?

[forest scaffold]

pop it every time YOU need it

[strange sparrow]

DC 4 no blessings

[forest scaffold]

regardless of the benefit to your team

[timid otter]

DC is awful for low levels

Go combat axe.

[strange sparrow]

I tried combat axe and hate it

[solemn niche]

VoC is also great when you are pressured by nasty stuff like flamers or bursters

[bitter turtle]

Tbh it's rare your team is not going to benefit from voc unless you're literally not in coherency with them

[solemn niche]

it throws everything back on their azz. even plague ogryns and mutants

[bitter turtle]

Like when is your team not gonna like a kb and yellow toughness lul

[abstract moth]

@midnight mortar hey btw I've been playing wrath of the righteous and is awesome! So far I haven't encountered any game breaking bugs

[forest scaffold]

Here's a really good example.

So, Damage Taken: 335

[strange sparrow]

The issue is trying to get into ES

[forest scaffold]

totally reasonable, and I prevented it from being a problem.

[bitter turtle]

ES?

[forest scaffold]

Occasionally you'll make a dumb mistake and go down.

Just make sure its not a regular problem.

Nobody's perfect.

[strange sparrow]

Executioner stances, it provide a general better DPS potential and im into that dps gaming

[forest scaffold]

But veteran more than has the tools at his disposal to stay standing on his feet and keeping HP damage to a minimum.

[bitter turtle]

It's just a relatively weak skill atm

[strange sparrow]

since I don't really care about the gameplay loop ever since beating auric V mael continously with randoms lobby

[bitter turtle]

If you insist

You just have to compensate the difference with personal skill

[forest scaffold]

You just get good at melee.

Like

don't take stupid hits.

[bitter turtle]

But vet is "balanced" around voc right now

[forest scaffold]

That's how you deal with Exe Stance's "weakness"

Just get good at melee.

There's no secret.

No trick.

Just practice.

The best way to deal with toughness loss is to not lose it in the first place.

The second best is to rely on OFB, Exhi Takedown, or Confirmed Kill

[strange sparrow]

Practice against what thou, even with a bad White DC that hit no breakpoint
My damage taken is still less than 400

The issue is gunner/range target

I guess you could say just use cover then

[bitter turtle]

Try iron will

Helps against gunners a lot if that is the issue

[forest scaffold]

Oh my god. Grenades, shooting at them, killing them, not being too aggressive, using walls, corners and doorways to your advantage

[strange sparrow]

just one range target fuck up my toughness

[forest scaffold]

Don't get caught out in the open

basically, get good again.

And yeah, Iron Will

[strange sparrow]

Took IronWill

[forest scaffold]

-50% damage above 75% toughness

[strange sparrow]

It's kinda a no brainer

[forest scaffold]

and just hit your headshots if using exhi takedown

[bitter turtle]

Do you know about range dmg immunity states?

[forest scaffold]

or bounce between adds/elites with confirmed kill

[bitter turtle]

As in sliding and sprinting perpendicularly

[strange sparrow]

not sure about this

oh yea

[timid otter]

Im going to take a shoot in the wild and say helbore might be good

[strange sparrow]

yea I understood those

[bitter turtle]

Abuse that more

[strange sparrow]

Dodge Slide combination

[bitter turtle]

With duck and dive if necessary

[timid otter]

Helbore doesnt lose alot when supressed.

[bitter turtle]

It's important for anti gunner combat

[solemn niche]

hey guys there is melee only maelstrom in the new map

anyone wants to join ?

[bitter turtle]

To use slides

[timid otter]

Though idc

[solemn niche]

should be fun

[strange sparrow]

I mean a guy shooting in my ass because we didn't clean the room fully just fuck up all my toughness

then I need to spend I dont know how long to regen those

[bitter turtle]

What gun are you using

[strange sparrow]

Columnus

base stats is good enough to level into Damnation

[solemn niche]

rookie mistake, you should dodge that as soon as you hear the sound of the backstab notification

[bitter turtle]

Can't you just delete them in retaliation lul

[strange sparrow]

LMAO

[bitter turtle]

If it's the post fight toughness

[strange sparrow]

Yea, FS and their fuckin audio

[bitter turtle]

Maybe consider catch a breath?

The toughness regain when no enemies are near

It's ok

[strange sparrow]

Catch a breath is pretty useless overall except being a radar system

[bitter turtle]

On shoutless builds

Nah

It's precisely OK for shoutless since it helps you top off between encounters

Shout renders it meh for most builds

But ur insisting on exec so

Consider it imo

Not like the stun immunity is spectacular anyway

[strange sparrow]

Just suck that based on what was said
Just take VoC, stop being R*

oh well it is what it is

[bitter turtle]

Just hope they balance it better lol

But ya, all you can really do is just play better and try running some of those skills for now

[thick rose]

it seems to me the only way to play vet is to use a gun that doesnt need dmg amp to kill fast and to learn to play without being hit

and using voc so you can ignore the way you have to play without being hit, in a moment you need to focus on something else

like in the middle of a horde you need to snipe a special

[bitter turtle]

Most guns don't need exec to kill fast or hit breakpoints now

[thick rose]

I would never use left tree... dunno why anyone would... maybe for a lasgun but I cant find one to use

left key I mean

[bitter turtle]

Left key isn't bad, bonuses are a little weak but it's the least intrusive in terms of gameplay

Stacks are easy to build and drop slowly

[white minnow]

left is nice for finesse stuff

columnus, lapistol, and whatnot

[bitter turtle]

I would love if it gave some crit for semi auto weapons but crit chance would probably make it overpowered with columnus

[idle swallow]

I've been doing left key with the new laspistol and mk1 helbore, head popping is fun

[white minnow]

maybe once they shoot crit strings in the kneecaps

[strange sparrow]

This only work on Melee right

[white minnow]

well there's deadshot i suppose

[bitter turtle]

No

Works on guns too

[strange sparrow]

So I take this and Columnus stack 16 Brittleness?

[bitter turtle]

Yes

It's very good with colu

[strange sparrow]

Welp fuck the left side of the tree

[bitter turtle]

I mean

No reason you can't dip on both sides

[strange sparrow]

Im going middle to take rending

[thick rose]

rending makes me horny

[strange sparrow]

The only problem Im having is just crusher hordes stack

which is reliances on Krak Grenade

[shadow aurora]

What melee are you using

[strange sparrow]

White DC until I reach 30

and can gamble for 360+

[bitter turtle]

Try the new shovels maybe

[thick rose]

just shoot them in the face with a revolver and laugh at their corpse

[shadow aurora]

New shovels are op against carapace

[bitter turtle]

They got p good carapace even without uncanny

With special action

[strange sparrow]

How's the CC ability with them

[bitter turtle]

Not bad

[shadow aurora]

Decent

[bitter turtle]

Decent horde control

[shadow aurora]

Light plus heavy clears most hordes

[strange sparrow]

Not like ThunderHammer Decent right

[bitter turtle]

Their weakness is unyielding

[strange sparrow]

ok

[bitter turtle]

So monstro and bulwark are bad

And nah

Actually decent

[strange sparrow]

people telling me ThunderHammer is good in CC after they remove the cap (Still bad cuz you don't kill much)

[bitter turtle]

I mean it's good for controlling

Just not killing

Lul

@hammer

[shadow aurora]

Thunderhammer is fine as is they dont need to touch that thing

[strange sparrow]

Why Control when you could just kill

be normal

[bitter turtle]

Ask Smitekers

Idk

[strange sparrow]

out of sight out of mind

[bitter turtle]

But ya shovels do horde pretty good

[shadow aurora]

Because it helps team with really big hordes that might be difficult otherwise

[bitter turtle]

Just watch out for unyielding types

[strange sparrow]

Zealot have better option in terms of hordes clearing

[bitter turtle]

Unironically hits carapace harder than unyielding

[shadow aurora]

Yeah not saying its that good but saying there is a reason for cc

[thick rose]

I dunno why vets melee crushers except to style on them. crushers die from 2-3 revolver headshots or half an agri iag when you have rending... I use voc and shredders to CC them.

[shadow aurora]

Smiteker is nutty

[bitter turtle]

Maybe because

I'm not using a revolver

👻

[thick rose]

im not saying thats wrong im just saying I wouldnt

some other people might also find it a problem

I play around what is a problem for me

[strange sparrow]

Melee option give you more control over fighting stuff compared to gun unironically

[thick rose]

sometimes. sometimes its nice to have a chain to do that.

but for me its safer to just knock them and shoot them

or slide away and shoot them

[strange sparrow]

You dont get that safety net when playing Auric V usually

[bitter turtle]

Also powersword is dumb strong atm and kills crushers very fast

[thick rose]

bro

you are in here saying you cant live on vet

thats how I do auric dam

[shadow aurora]

Just started using headhunters since the first time i started using them which was at the start of my first character. Never knew they weren't all three burst.

[thick rose]

on vet

[bitter turtle]

Ya

V7 agri and v3

1 2 3 shot

[shadow aurora]

The one shot is super fun going to use it on my right keystone psyker

[strange sparrow]

I dont know about your region players, but most of the auric randoms in SEA is just zealot with knife running around and instant quit after down once

[bitter turtle]

V3 is more like an iag tbh

And v7 is super fun ye

It's all I use nowadays

[thick rose]

im in australia. its very rare to get selfish players in high diff.

[strange sparrow]

And yes, Im stating that You don't get a lot of option with Vets Regen Toughness option

but people just say dont get hit

[thick rose]

success rate on dam/auric is very high in my experiance

[strange sparrow]

I guess

[solemn niche]

woooot

you have like 4 options

[bitter turtle]

He doesn't want to use shout

So i guess I can see that

[solemn niche]

1: shout 2: thoughness regen on curios 3: thoughness regen on headshot 4: thoughness regen on elite kill 5: thoughness regen on focus target keystone

[bitter turtle]

If you compare it to ogryn and zealot

As a shoutless vet

[thick rose]

I literally dont think about regen of toughness so I guess that speaks for itself

[bitter turtle]

Also toughness regen on curios is bad

[thick rose]

I guess that is vet life

[strange sparrow]

Toughness Regen on Headshot mean you pull out your range weapon,
Toughness regen on special/elite mean you are competing with other 3 dude

[solemn niche]

i use it anyways and you cant stop me

[bitter turtle]

Only affects passive coherency regen

[strange sparrow]

Toughness regen on Curios what

[bitter turtle]

Unless they changed it

[strange sparrow]

do people actually take that

[solemn niche]

it helps reduce chip damage

[bitter turtle]

No it's kinda shitty

[solemn niche]

when i play executioner stance i take it

executioner stance = i want all the thoughness in the universe

cuz im fragile

[sharp ember]

toughness regen speed 💯

[strange sparrow]

Me looking at Psyker Condition for Toughness regen

[thick rose]

how does that help you on veteran?

[solemn niche]

psyker only needs dome shield to regen thoughness basically

emotional support shield is all you need most of the time

[bitter turtle]

You just play gunpsyker and pretend to be vet

[shadow aurora]

Psyker supposed to be fragile if he wasnt he would be bs op

[strange sparrow]

Psyker and Fragile
Doesn't go into the same wording

His skill naturally general peril which give him Toughness back

[solemn niche]

oh wait is this the part where you argue psyker is much more tank than veteran ?

[shadow aurora]

Thought you were shitting on him by posting the skills

[strange sparrow]

I would tbh, considering the option of Veteran without shout

[shadow aurora]

But he still is the weakest class health wise next to vet

[strange sparrow]

Just dont get hit
Just headshot with your range weapon
Just kill special
Just shout

[solemn niche]

just... play veteran ?

lol

[strange sparrow]

As if your team don't do that

[shadow aurora]

"Just dont get hit" yeah that sorta applies to all games really

[strange sparrow]

There's a guy just now saying just dont get hit since I were complaining about regen option

[solemn niche]

but can psyker do this ?

wait wrong link lmao

[shadow aurora]

I wasn't complaining i play psyker he should be fragile

[strange sparrow]

Can Veteran do this

[solemn niche]

meant to say: can psyker do this ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62fmOhp1cWg

[shadow aurora]

Holy moly

Wowza

[strange sparrow]

Nah, Nice Potential Damage as if we all play inside Psykhanium

[bitter turtle]

I do

All I play is psykarium

[shadow aurora]

You dont?

Thats like 90% of my play time

[strange sparrow]

I don't think about how potentially I could do with veteran

[bitter turtle]

SMH just press the delete all enemies button when you're losing

[solemn niche]

need to play ogryn to do that

[shadow aurora]

Ogryn nade

[timid otter]

Get enough frag grenades

[strange sparrow]

I mean you could do it with psyker if you line them all up with a voidstrike staff but that's just me

[tawdry hull]

why is he not getting damaged?

[strange sparrow]

or burn them alive

[bitter turtle]

Iron will and et prob

Toughness dmg resist super high

[tawdry hull]

ic

gonna check out

[bitter turtle]

Then regain Toughness on popping heads

[tawdry hull]

why is he not being pushedback?

[strange sparrow]

Was it because of determined

[solemn niche]

there is passive ability you can unlock that gives you immunity to suppression

but also executioner stance has built in immunity to suppression

[strange sparrow]

but seriously, just apply Purg staff against them and you probably gonna have better TTK against 50 dreg gunner

then just chill in a corner and watch them burn idk since it spread

[solemn niche]

the random poxwalker behind you: im about to ruin this vet whole career

[bitter turtle]

I usually have triple ranged elite killcount compared to other players on HH v7

It's very effective at picking off gunners

Moreso than anything else tbh

Decent clipsize and oneshots even critless and no exec

[solemn niche]

mmmmmh im skeptical you can oneshot without crit

[bitter turtle]

I'm not home to record

But you just run unarmored perk

Even without keystone it's a oneshot

[solemn niche]

interesting, i will try that ty for the tip

[bitter turtle]

Maniac doesn't reach any breakpoints for me so I just drop it lul

Flak gives crit 1 shot for scab rager

[solemn niche]

this is the gun that I used in that video

I don't play it much in missions because my aim sucks

but it's fun for headshot builds

[sturdy swan]

good blessins

[strange sparrow]

I doubt anyone run single shot weapon in missions

[bitter turtle]

Wdym

I literally only play auric maelstrom and only use v7

[strange sparrow]

It's rare, and half the time it's plasma

[bitter turtle]

Also revolver is stronk too

[strange sparrow]

Let's play and I want to see how you go with it

[bitter turtle]

Not home sadly

[strange sparrow]

im 3 level away from accessing 30 soon

[bitter turtle]

Er didn't mean to quote

[strange sparrow]

so I could go Auric

[waxen abyss]

Auric more like stinky

Okay serious question. Where do you vets magically get the ammo from using survivalist. Are you psykers secretly? Do you recycle? I gotta know the lore

[versed merlin]

you dont need deadshot on a vraks 7?

[bitter turtle]

I run it

But I build it to one-shot gunners specifically even without crits

Crits help against everything else though

Not home to access any of my scoreboards but

[versed merlin]

thats not needed lol

i dont doubt you

im just curious, cause im trying really hard to become a vraks enjoyer

because i think that weapon is based

but also its so ass

[bitter turtle]

It's fine on anything that isn't a crusher

Just run a power sword or a shovel or something to kill them lul

[versed merlin]

yeah thats what im doing

[bitter turtle]

Though if you run shovel

I hope your aim is good

For monstros

[versed merlin]

but rn im currently trying to make weaponfov work because i can not play with the ads zoom

[bitter turtle]

I use mods to get good sights so idk if that helps

No weaponfov though

[versed merlin]

i dont know if it would, but i dont mind the iron sights, its just the zoom that bothers me

makes me oblivious to my surroundings

[bitter turtle]

Ah

Yeah that's the tricky part with sniper kinda weapons ig

Just shout xd

For real though

You learn to appreciate the backstabbing sound cue

When you play this shit a lot lul

I just dodge in a random direction and keep tunneling half the time and pray I picked right lol

If there's lots of gunners to pick off I mean

Not worth turning around to deal with a lone pox until I'm done sniping off all the main threats

[versed merlin]

seems to be working alright

[bitter turtle]

Now that's trippy

[sharp ember]

dat buttstock cheekweld

[hasty reef]

Holy emperor what is that

[versed merlin]

ok yeah now this is good

[bitter turtle]

O ya

[versed merlin]

having the likely the same zoom as revolver and shotty ads makes this weapon more appreciable

[mystic nimbus]

emperor is dead..

[bitter turtle]

Don't be afraid to hipfire the v7 too

It's really not terrible at it

If you can't afford to tunnel lul

[hasty reef]

Carefull, that sounds like heresy

[versed merlin]

for maulers that are far, do i still want to land hs?

[mystic nimbus]

LOL hahaha

[bitter turtle]

You bodyshot maulers period

It's always faster

Ducking phone

But ya

[tawdry hull]

now imagine the scenario when a mad ogrin rushes the map and straggers every enemy and u barely can hit heads cause of that

[bitter turtle]

Everything else you headshot

But carapace values are too meh on v7

So it's faster to bodyshot than hs

[versed merlin]

ahh okok

[bitter turtle]

A crit should kill over half their hp anyway

[forest scaffold]

Knife

[versed merlin]

oh yeah just tested it, body shot crits are much better

[bitter turtle]

Ya

[tawdry hull]

my problems with always headshot that u cant get always headshot

u can try ofc

[versed merlin]

tho ill run psword, so maulers and crushers should be covered if they ever get close

[bitter turtle]

Yeah I recommend sword over shovel

Tho I use shovel

Just cause I find sword boring

But you do suffer vs monstros with shovel

[versed merlin]

i prefer shovel, but imo that weapon only shines if going right side branch otherwise, psword will always outperform

this is what im going btw. got et + confirmed kill. any recommendations or changes?

[bitter turtle]

I don't think suppression boost is very good

Aside from that I'd try to grab one of the keystone personally

But idk maybe keyless is fine

Left key gave me a crit one-shot BP on dreg rager

[versed merlin]

yeah prolly not needed if im running exec stance

[bitter turtle]

Oh right

[versed merlin]

damn

that sounds hot

[bitter turtle]

Ur exec

Nvm you probably don't need it

But just test it ig

Looks pretty much the same as mine

[thick rose]

I sorta run keyless to get right side brittle and mid rend and some deadshot region

[versed merlin]

maybe i should get rid of the rending node?

[bitter turtle]

If you do run marksman focus tho

[thick rose]

but even that feels kinda selfish being that close to middle key

[versed merlin]

then i can pick a keystone

[bitter turtle]

You can do

Double 10 percent rending

That actually makes you do ok dmg to crushers lol

I didn't like it that much though

Felt very niche

But you could kill them in 3 crits

For what it's worth

[versed merlin]

yeah. would be cool if i could 2 crit hs a crusher tho

[bitter turtle]

Maybe even 2 with exec idk

Try testing it, if you can 2 crit a crusher it might even be worth it

[thick rose]

with mid keystone and revolver you can

[bitter turtle]

Well yes

But this is v7 lol

[thick rose]

oh sorry

[bitter turtle]

It's ok

[thick rose]

I keep ducking in and out of this convo

I havent found a good one yet, no experiance 😦

I got jebated with a good burst fire one and was sad

[bitter turtle]

But yeah heavy mid and left is what I run so it's p much the same as mine

[thick rose]

I got a good agri iag and ive been kinda seduced

[bitter turtle]

I tried right tree and doing wep specialist vraks lul

[versed merlin]

i could get rid of this and take the 5% chance of recovering nade when elite/special dies, not sure if its worth it, but it sounds good enough for aurics. would also give me 1 extra point

[bitter turtle]

It was okish

Kinda clunky though

[forest scaffold]

what

how is weapon specialist anywhere near clunky

[bitter turtle]

With v7

Not in general

[forest scaffold]

swap to ranged, kill literally one thing, swap back to melee and get attack speed

[bitter turtle]

But I didn't like it much with v7

[versed merlin]

yeah weap spec slaps with revolver and aggri shotty tho

[forest scaffold]

because that's the real thing, weapon specialist is a melee keystone

[bitter turtle]

Yes I know

How wep special works lol

It just doesn't fit v7 as much

I tried v7 with all 3 keys cause I like it a lot

[forest scaffold]

It really shouldn't be any different from revolver

like

at all

Pull out the Vraks, oneshot a few things, swap back to melee

[bitter turtle]

Slower swap and you're more encouraged to stay on the gun for longer periods than revolver was my experience

[forest scaffold]

pull out the vraks, oneshot a few things, swap back to melee

[versed merlin]

its actually easier to quick pull and kill shit with revolver without needing to reposition tho

[bitter turtle]

Since the clip is big and oneshots gunners

So I found myself just shooting gunners more than meleeing as much as I'd liked

[versed merlin]

since revolver shots will go through almost everything

[bitter turtle]

Just felt like a bad fit

[forest scaffold]

I mean. . . sure I guess. But I'd warn you to not compare anything to plasma gun or revolver right now because they're so wildly overtuned.

[versed merlin]

ikik

im just looking to make a vraks build

because this weapon looks good

[bitter turtle]

In theory I was on board cause the guaranteed crit sounded nice

[forest scaffold]

Ping node with voice of command

[versed merlin]

despite i not liking it

[forest scaffold]

is the most reliable "gun veteran"

if you're good at aiming and can deal with the hyperfixation exe stance offers(and fight it off)

that's the "real" way to go

along with marksman focus of course

But ping node+voc is just solidly reliable

and lets you swap between ranged and melee at your leisure

[bitter turtle]

Tag and marksman both have their upsides for v7

[versed merlin]

although marksman sounds more consistent

[faint orchid]

hey guys, where would i go for builds? is there like meta stuff and must haves?

[forest scaffold]

Only if you can hit your headshots

Like, personally speaking, I only manage ~5-15% headshot rate with guns in Darktide

[versed merlin]

yeah im going exec stance specially for that purpose

[forest scaffold]

so marksman's focus is of uh. . . dubious value

[thick rose]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds can help but its not completely reliable

[bitter turtle]

I think if you do exec stance you don't need focus

Might as well just do tag

It's overkill to do focus and exec for v7 imo

[versed merlin]

yeah that makes sense

tag at least is better for bossing

[forest scaffold]

speaking of

[bitter turtle]

Like shout + mf already hit one-shot crit breakpoint on almost everything

[forest scaffold]

all of you should try chainaxe + tag node

and do an assassination mission

you will obliterate the boss in under 1 minute

[bitter turtle]

So exec + Tag should in theory be the same

[forest scaffold]

guaranteed

Fatshark changed the armor type of void shields from "Void Shield" to "Flak"

[bitter turtle]

Tag gives utility and shores up your monstro fighting

[forest scaffold]

which makes the chainaxe do disgusting things to it

and tag node just ups the ante

[bitter turtle]

Helps maintain deadshot if you take the Stam node too

[versed merlin]

ohhh yeah

completely forgot that node existed lol

[forest scaffold]

I don't like deadshot

mostly because duck and dive is allllllllllllllllllll the way over on the other side of the tree

[waxen abyss]

The dead can't shoot

[versed merlin]

that is true

[waxen abyss]

I don't get deadshot

[bitter turtle]

You don't need duck and dive to make it worthwhile on v7

[versed merlin]

but hmm maybe if i do some bit of overkill toughness regen with et + confirmed kill + tag toughness replenishment per stack of tag i could run 3 stam curios

[bitter turtle]

Just run a stam curio if you don't already

If you can fit all 3 maybe

I only run ET

[versed merlin]

i can, only if i swap the grenade per minute for a 5% chance on elite/special kill

[bitter turtle]

I think that's worth

Demo team is probably good enough

[versed merlin]

doesnt sound too bad for aurics

[bitter turtle]

Ya

[versed merlin]

i actually never tried that one

aight this cooking is looking good

but i just realized

i dont have any stam curios

[forest scaffold]

its 25% crit chance

but in the meantime, it sucks away your stamina

Its a worse blazing piety

in basically every single way

[waxen abyss]

damn

[forest scaffold]

which, fair I guess. Blazing Piety is a keystone, and deadshot is not.

But they're doing the same thing: +25% crit chance

[bitter turtle]

Well I'd take blazing piety if it was on vet tree

But

[versed merlin]

weapon specialist

[forest scaffold]

blazing piety on vet's tree also exists in reciprocity

[versed merlin]

become a based weapon specialist enjoyer

embrace the agri shotty

[forest scaffold]

which also lends itself to duck and dive

with 5 dodges you can get 25% crit chance

with deadshot you can get another 25%

giving you 50% crit chance

[versed merlin]

5 dodges

[forest scaffold]

These veterans really not out here dodgin

no wonder they can't stay alive

[versed merlin]

after the 5th dodge, your next dodge will be slower than crouch walking

[bitter turtle]

I usually take recip if I'm going right

[thick rose]

I dont crouch walk, I just jump into an 80s freeze frame and wonder whats happening

[forest scaffold]

it lasts for 8 seconds, and stacks refresh on each new successful dodge

[versed merlin]

i take it because of its consistency, not to play around the 25%

[bitter turtle]

But can't really afford that on my v7 tree at least

[forest scaffold]

if you're not dodging like a moron

its basically a permanent 25% crit chance uptime

[versed merlin]

i do, but if i see im already over my dodge limit, i start push attacking

[glass vessel]

what the best talent tree to go for if I hit level 30 ?

for the veterant class

[forest scaffold]

This is the most braindead veteran build available

[versed merlin]

based

[forest scaffold]

minimal skill required

[glass vessel]

interesting

[bitter turtle]

Untrue

[versed merlin]

nah plasma tag keystone is the most braindead

[bitter turtle]

Kraks require aiming for monstro

Shredder is more braindead

[thick rose]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[forest scaffold]

Shredder nades are bad

and you can't change my mind

[thick rose]

not

[forest scaffold]

[versed merlin]

aight we're enemies now

[forest scaffold]

I would rather get infinite kraks

[bitter turtle]

Now that is a hot take

[forest scaffold]

any day of the week

[thick rose]

shredder nade is like 3 more voc

[bitter turtle]

If I ever seen one

[forest scaffold]

Okay, so they're not actually bad.

But they're point heavy

and I don't really value them that highly when a krak can just insta delete a crusher

or 4

[versed merlin]

that is true, but they're still better than kraks imo

[bitter turtle]

No they're not, survivalist is right under it

[versed merlin]

same way everyone go for survivalist despite being point heavy too

almost everyone

[forest scaffold]

I don't take survivalist on half my builds

Like

just get gud

and don't waste ammo

its that shrimple

[waxen abyss]

How dare you

Not pick up ammo off the floor

You heretic

[thick rose]

the only good guns are guns that kill crushers

[versed merlin]

there's always that gunlugger ogryn eating all the ammo on the floor

[waxen abyss]

Sorry I'm hungy

[versed merlin]

i dont blame you

[bitter turtle]

Rather just let my team suck up all the resources if they want tbh

[forest scaffold]

I present to you: a weapon that can kill crushers

[versed merlin]

i could never be angry at ogryns

[bitter turtle]

Then I don't need to care

[versed merlin]

same

[waxen abyss]

The ammo available for everyone else depends if I'm on my zealot or ogryn

[stuck bridge]

Which of the new shovel marks is better

[waxen abyss]

Mostly I'm on my zealot so everyone else has good enough ammo resupplies

[forest scaffold]

I dunno. Survivalist is just a crutch skill for most of the weapons in the game.

And make or break for a rare few.

[bitter turtle]

Mk7 has better horde swinging patterns

Mk3 has faster special bonk

[waxen abyss]

But puri

[bitter turtle]

@shovel

[waxen abyss]

You get to pick ammo OFF THE FLOOR

[forest scaffold]

If you have problems with ammo on the vast majority of weapons, you're shooting too much full stop.

[waxen abyss]

Thats amazing

[forest scaffold]

Like

Rumbler

and grenadier gauntlet

are the only weapons in the game that actually care about survivalist

[bitter turtle]

I'm starting to think your definition of crutch is just anything that is good

[sharp ember]

i think they both hold up very well for whacking hordes, but mk3 rips the spike out faster after a heavy hit

[stuck bridge]

do they do the same bonk damage?

[forest scaffold]

the others are just like "cool, more ammo economy"

[bitter turtle]

Dmg is the same

[stuck bridge]

ty

[forest scaffold]

It lets bad players miss more often

ergo: crutch

[thick rose]

it lets good players murder everythihng on the screen and top dmg and not goblin also

[forest scaffold]

or waste ammo on poxwalkers

[thick rose]

but thats... crutch

[bitter turtle]

It also lets good players shoot more often

[forest scaffold]

god forbid someone take an SAP and shoot poxwalkers with it 😭

[waxen abyss]

ammo being drained depends on the situation

[forest scaffold]

they could do that and just take ammo on the map as fatshark intended

[waxen abyss]

Hi int shock for example can be draining

[forest scaffold]

survivalist is a dumb skill

[versed merlin]

ammo is crutch

[forest scaffold]

take it if you want