veteran-class

[sage agate]

yeap

[frozen meadow]

Cheers

[limber egret]

oh yey standard lasgun is fun

i havent used it in a while but getting a good lasgun nowits a lot of fun

[sage agate]

i'm compelled to show off my own lasgun

[frozen meadow]

Standard lasgun makes you feel like a proper npc lol

In a good way

[sage agate]

it's the militarum's standard-issue for a reason

the gun that won the galaxy

(or at least a sizeable chunk)

[frozen meadow]

I don't know much lore, but enjoy that warhammer uses traditional weapons too

[umbral scaffold]

standard lasgun is really nice and well rounded weapon

only thing its not good at is basically anything with armor or monsters

otherwise its my main weapon

[humble adder]

Whats the best melee for Vet?

[sage agate]

whatever you kill best iwth

[frozen meadow]

I have been really enjoying the recon lasgun recently with infernus

[sage agate]

tho i enoy chainsword and shovel

and dclaw is a good choice

[frozen meadow]

I love the feeling of mowing down hordes with it and everything on fire

[limber egret]

powersword seems great for hode clearing

[frozen meadow]

Hence I want a good fire shotgun

[limber egret]

the MK 3 one i use does it well when doing heavy attacks

[humble adder]

Best answer ive ever gotten

[frozen meadow]

What blessings are good on a kantreal shotgun btw?

[sage agate]

yeah, everything in the game is viable, it just depends on your playstyle and how well you can use it

[humble adder]

I have a decent chainsword, blessings are dog

[sage agate]

post

[sage agate]

i use full bore and no respite

[frozen meadow]

Can scattershot and fletchette roll on it?

[humble adder]

Very mid

But its all I have, im looking for an upgrade, I use swords on my zealot so something similar to the heavy swords would be nice

[sage agate]

uhh idk. scattershot might proc on your special which could be nice, but i dont think it has a great crit rate unless you run crit talents

[frozen meadow]

I was just thinking because the special has really good cleave

[sage agate]

actually kantrael mightr have some cleave

could proc there

[frozen meadow]

I need to look up what blessings are actually available

[sage agate]

buh...

[frozen meadow]

Another thing the game makes you figure out yourself

[humble adder]

Yup its mid

[sage agate]

there is a mod that lets you see all the available ones

[frozen meadow]

The stats are pretty good on the chainsword

Mods to the rescue

At this point I should just install the first 30 most downloaded mods

They all help

[sage agate]

only really two i deem necessary above all else is numeric ui and the customize hud mod

[sage agate]

sad that you changed the perk since chainsword is fairly reliant on blessings. i'd probably just maximize shred

[frozen meadow]

I get you, my favourite mod is weapon customisation, game is boring af without it

[sage agate]

true

oh, also the hub mod

so you dont have to run around everywhere

[frozen meadow]

Ah I like running around the hub and looking at all the stupid ass ogryns

Gives me joy seeing their names

[sage agate]

worth the 2390 melkbucks?

[frozen meadow]

Doesn't look like it

[limber egret]

hows this now?

i got a better perk on it

[frozen meadow]

That is very nice stats holy

[limber egret]

or well replaced the not great perk with maniacs

[frozen meadow]

Flak and maniac damage is always good

[sage agate]

either maniac or weak spot dmg to absolutely destroy heads

[frozen meadow]

Can never go wrong

[sage agate]

but looks good

[limber egret]

i been told that weakspot damage is apperenty very bad perk

i dont remember exact details

[frozen meadow]

Yeh because your talent perks can do the same thing but to a massive degree better

[sage agate]

https://tenor.com/view/baki-baki-hanma-netflix-ogre-anime-gif-17317987594888449408

[umbral scaffold]

It needs to do way more damage than 10% to be worth it over the dmg over different enemy types

[limber egret]

im also running this talent as well

[umbral scaffold]

Like if it was 25% weak spot damage it’d be competitive

[frozen meadow]

Like there is a talent which gives 30% weak spot damage

[limber egret]

oh im running that as well

30% weakspot damage

[frozen meadow]

When in doubt, flak and maniac

Lpl

[paper brook]

Ok pilgrims, if I'm only able to switch one perk on my weapon do I take flak or maniac damage? Like which one should I take over the other if I can't have both?

[sage agate]

what weapon?

[paper brook]

Columnus Mk V

[frozen meadow]

I prefer maniac I think

[sage agate]

flak is more applicable

[sage agate]

like

widely used

[frozen meadow]

What are muties again?

[limber egret]

i also have one of those autoguns

[sage agate]

maniac

[limber egret]

the Columnus V one

[frozen meadow]

Ah yeh I like being able to take them down faster

Feels good to shoot them down just before they get to you

[sage agate]

if u have a maniac solution, take flak

but ragers and muties can be run enders

[frozen meadow]

Ragers are babies after new patch, they die instantly

[limber egret]

i also have this plasma gun

[paper brook]

"Not so loud now are ya?!"

[limber egret]

this good right?

something i showed some time ago

but curious what are thoughts still

[paper brook]

I mean the charge Rate is meh but everything else about it is amazing

[frozen meadow]

Ragers in this game def less scary than vermintide equivalent

Plague rats scare me

[limber egret]

charge rate from what i seen so far seems very small difference

like even 70% plus from trying it out seems way too small of a difference

[frozen meadow]

Thst looks very nic3

Better than my one

[paper brook]

Ahh ok makes sense

[wintry copper]

What do you guys pu on your Lawbringer shotguns? The exploding round one

I'm trying to make one for my Specialist build

[frozen meadow]

I put my 2 perks as maniac and flak when the blessings it had were dumdumdum abd sustained salvo

[limber egret]

this was my old plasma gun

[frozen meadow]

Rip the perfect gun

[limber egret]

but i did a mistake with the modifications

tho it was a bad perk so i guess had too change it

glorhunter blessing was nice tho

[frozen meadow]

Yeh the locks suck, I ruined a couple amazing weapons by not understanding it

[limber egret]

getting lots of toughness back from one shotting elites

also so heres my bolter

so what about this?

[crude fiber]

a gift from the emperor, 3 months too late

[limber egret]

even tho stuck with shattering impact but seems pretty nice despite it

like atleast works as a blessing instead of being a garbage blessing

[frozen meadow]

Pretty good bolter

[limber egret]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/188

also a mod im using

is pretty nice

[silk oasis]

hey guys, im returning after few months, whats best for vet atm? Currently im using my old power sword mk3 with recyler+brittlenes and Kantrael XII or lucius I

[crude ermine]

Well

[limber egret]

tho hey so do you know what is the ideal bolter to have?

[crude ermine]

I'd say the 6 has outclassed it and the shotgun id swap involving the kantreal with FB or no respite

Or

[umbral scaffold]

Don’t use mg12 it’s meh right now

[crude ermine]

use a revolver

[tiny summit]

A lot of things. XII lasgun is still good but Ia got buffed enough to compensate a 40 dmg differential with its higher fire rate.

[crude ermine]

I wonder how many times I've said revolver

56 times

Not enough

[tidal wedge]

this

[tiny summit]

Bayonet on helbore 1/2 is ridiculous

[silk oasis]

bayonet? it is usefull now?

[tiny summit]

Yes. Enough to only need your melee for poxbursters

[frozen meadow]

No idea, I am the one usually asking which rolls are good

[limber egret]

oh Oof

[crude fiber]

revolver is is almost too reliable. its silly good

[tiny summit]

Bayonet gotta say is one of vets best melee weapons against ragers

[umbral scaffold]

Revolver is amazing if I need to win a game I pick that

[tidal wedge]

chainsword and shovel also pretty good atm

[silk oasis]

this game seems stupider with each patch...

[crude ermine]

Yeah a lot of the stuff in this game is strong as shit

[tidal wedge]

pure irony, I love it

[tiny summit]

But it has to be helbore 1 or 2. 3's downward slash is meh

[torn moat]

Autoguns are pretty popular for vet now.

Columnus and Agri. Not the Graia.

[limber egret]

im still hoping for hotshot lasgun/hellgun

[fresh mango]

this worth grabbing for supercharge?

[crude ermine]

Mmm

[torn moat]

Supercharge isn't worth it on a powersword imo.

[umbral scaffold]

Ye

[fresh mango]

Conflicting answers

[umbral scaffold]

Not that you'll use it

[torn moat]

Unless you just collecting blessings.

[umbral scaffold]

But if they decide to do something with it, you'll have it

[crude ermine]

Supercharge at first tricked me into believing I got power cycler 4

I'll never forgive it

[fresh mango]

Part of me wants to collect the blessings yeah, ivealready got a really nice PSword

[silk oasis]

what about plasma?

[terse idol]

What yall mad at nooow

[torn moat]

If you're collecting blessings, than it's always worth grabbing unearned Tier 4s.

[crude ermine]

Plasma is so fucking strong I am not gonna sugarcoat it

[tiny summit]

Plasma good. Plasma is Plasma and can only go up

[fresh mango]

Plas is OP atm

[umbral scaffold]

plasma is meta

Tzeentch has his hand in every patch

[torn moat]

But if you're asking for whether it's a blessing you'll use in the current patch? Probably not.

[terse idol]

Plasma is stronk

[fresh mango]

Plas and revolver are the best guns iirc

[silk oasis]

So why no1 said plasma in the first place?

[crude ermine]

Only thing that rivals my beloved lover the revolver

[terse idol]

About on par with revolver

[tidal wedge]

I have rolled for that perk for so long, still have never even seen it appear once

[crude ermine]

We kinda forgot

[tiny summit]

Because there's options

[terse idol]

Columnus, revolver, plasma

[silk oasis]

....

[crude ermine]

I get it so frequently

[umbral scaffold]

Shredder auto pistol is the best weapon in the game

Several patches ago

[torn moat]

Brauto gun is also good.

Agri Brauto is good.

[tiny summit]

Gotten kinda bored by plasma

[crude ermine]

The weapon is strong but can get boring after a few funs

[silk oasis]

I dont have any other blessing, what should i look out for?

[tidal wedge]

I'm envious

[crude ermine]

Doesn't give me the feel the revolver does

[crude ermine]

Gets hot

And there's another one too

[torn moat]

Plasma is strong. Revolver is good now. But I think it's overrated here because people have used it as a meme weapon for so long that now that it's actually competative, people overrate it.

[tiny summit]

Blaze away and gets hot right?

[crude ermine]

I think yeah

Yeah that

[fresh mango]

Revolver is def not overrated

[tidal wedge]

the new revolver that fans is BIS imo

[crude ermine]

The new revolver is fun as hell but I can't get used to it like the old one

[torn moat]

A gun with only ~70 shots? Doesn't feel very strong.

[umbral scaffold]

Fanning revolver doesn’t have the same amt of damage it only has faster firing and a speedloader going for it

I tried it and it’s alright but it’s a totally different weapon from the og revolver pretty much

[fresh mango]

Hit your shots and the low ammo reserve doesnt matter

[umbral scaffold]

It’s aight. Over rated as FUCK in my opinion

[crude ermine]

The only thing ig you can do with it is do that one vid involving melting a boss but your quite literally building around ONE thing that isn't as common as say a lot of specials

[umbral scaffold]

The old revolver is basically the quintessential gun

[silk oasis]

so boltguns are useless now?

[fresh mango]

Not at all

[tiny summit]

Weapon specialist revolver fun since I don't have to reload ever

[crude ermine]

No

Just outclassed

[fresh mango]

Bolter is still quite good, just not as good as plas

[crude ermine]

Still usable

[torn moat]

Revolver isn't ammo efficient on high difficulties. Sure it'll do decent damage (especially on crit builds). But you'll be running dry on ammo too quickly to be able to do much halfway through the map.

[fresh mango]

I want bolter draw speed to be a bit faster and have 20 as its max capacity instead of 15

[umbral scaffold]

Then just melee

[torn moat]

Bolter is good. Comparable to a fully automatic revolver with a much slower draw/aim time.

[tiny summit]

I use them to feel something. Something plasma fails to do after my 1st week with it. Clunky and outclassed but still viable and activates my neurons more than any other gun

[fresh mango]

literally NEVER had this issue with my revolver psyker build, wat

[umbral scaffold]

Hit collats, don’t be stupid and run survivalist and get always prepared

[sage agate]

same schtick with the plasma gun. mostly melee, use ranged for high damage burst, and run survivalist so your teammates are more likely to give you ammo packs

[umbral scaffold]

People using revolver on everything are crazy

[fresh mango]

thats such a ? take to me

[bitter turtle]

revolver is naturally a heavy melee build

not sure how you're running otu of ammo

[fresh mango]

If youre vet running survivalist with revolver you physically shouldnt run out of ammo

[torn moat]

Plasma gets back more ammo than a revolver.

[bitter turtle]

you are probably shooting too much

[tidal wedge]

fanning revolver just feels too good not to use, space cowboy shit https://youtu.be/AAyS4vRbKXE?feature=shared

[fresh mango]

like its nearly impossible

[umbral scaffold]

But when there's a shitty trapper behind 603 poxwalkers, you just need 1 shot

[bitter turtle]

wep specialist synergizes with revolver a stupid amount

[sage agate]

i wonder if revolver benefits from stacking crit from roulette if you use weapon mastery to reload it

[bitter turtle]

you are b asically encouraged to pop a shot every 10 seconds

and have an inifnite clip size

[umbral scaffold]

Revolver is goated at what a ranged weapon is the best for

[limber egret]

saying revolver is overated?

or the bolter?

[fresh mango]

Bolter not, revolver by one person yes

[torn moat]

So... Your arguements for a revolver running out of ammo is that you should not be shooting as much with revolver?

[umbral scaffold]

Also not many people know this but always prepared increases the amount of ammo you get from pickups. By default if you have a revolver an ammo tin will only replenish 8 rounds, with always prepared you get an extra 2 rounds

Yeah?

[torn moat]

If I stop shooting, I save ammo?

[umbral scaffold]

Ammo economy

[fresh mango]

My solution is hit your shots lol

[torn moat]

Wow.

Thanks

[bitter turtle]

kinda, yes, revolver enables vet melee better than any other gun

[torn moat]

Very smart

[bitter turtle]

25% attackspeed

while abusing the free passive reload

1taps basically almost any special

[umbral scaffold]

What are you shooting with the revolver to run out of ammo so easily?

[bitter turtle]

while your melee is boosted to having extremely high dps

[umbral scaffold]

Did you expect a magical miracle for ammo economy?

[fresh mango]

idk what these guys are talking about but i legit dont know how youre running out of ammo

[tiny summit]

Like what are you shooting at? A survivalist vet with revolver should have no ammo issues

[fresh mango]

are you spilling ammo while reloading?

[umbral scaffold]

Prioritize specialists and elites for that ammo boost, try to line up shooters so you kill more per shot

[crude ermine]

The only things I've seen that can be it are like bosses or common enemies

[bitter turtle]

if you're shooting at poxwalkers or whatever with the revolver that's just not how the gun is meant to be used

[torn moat]

Specials, elites. Revolvers ability to hit targets through crowds is great.

[fresh mango]

are you shooting literally every single enemy you see?

[frank ether]

Idk how vet struggles with revolver ammo

[terse idol]

Oh no yeah

[sage agate]

vet chat poppin off rn

[terse idol]

Braced

[torn moat]

Again, play on Auric or Damnation.

[crude ermine]

I love pairing it with mf, idk who got me into it but it made me ditch focus target heavily

[bitter turtle]

yes i play auric mael exclusively

[torn moat]

See how long you keep full ammo. Unles you are expecting to take all the ammo pickups from your team.

[frank ether]

I don't play any other difficulty lmao

[fresh mango]

i literally only play auric damnation

[tiny summit]

We do

[limber egret]

survivalist also works wekk with plasma gun

[terse idol]

Well you shouldn't need to be at full ammo,
But I will say, uh

[fresh mango]

Not once have i run out of ammo as PSYKER

[terse idol]

If youre not meeting the breakpoints

[crude ermine]

Gunpsyker

[frank ether]

maybe you're not running survivalist?

[fresh mango]

If you run out of ammo as VET thats a legit skill issue

[terse idol]

I can kiinda see ammo problems

[bitter turtle]

again you are probably unironically shooting too much OR not running surv maybe yeah

[crude ermine]

Gunspykering all over the place

[umbral scaffold]

Auric is amazing for ammo if anything cause of all those elites and specialists

[limber egret]

can literally gain postive ammo when killing multiple enemies per shot

[torn moat]

Case in point. Columnus and Plasma are both much more ammo efficient. You won't have to 'rely on melee' to kill specials/elites.

[terse idol]

That's a problem I had with pgun until I met it

[bitter turtle]

revolver melee vet is one of the best vet builds

[frank ether]

if you're gun focused you should be running survivalist to begin with

if you're melee focused, use your melee duh

[umbral scaffold]

Mocking people advising using melee every now and then is a cringe take

[fresh mango]

[tiny summit]

We have no idea what game you are playing having ammo issues on revolver when you 1 tap most enemies who give you back ammo

[bitter turtle]

columnus doesnt synergize with wep specialist as well, your ttk on specials is much slower with that playstyle

[terse idol]

That is if you have a decent ammo modifier and can meet the breakpoint on gunners

If you dont you wiiilll leak ammo

[bitter turtle]

that being said

yes

[umbral scaffold]

There are people in here who’ve never played Vermintide before unfortunately

[bitter turtle]

columnus is better for a build where you just shoot everything

[torn moat]

How much ammo do you get back per elite kill with revolver? Less than 1 right?

[umbral scaffold]

It is 1

[bitter turtle]

since it reasonably can do that

[terse idol]

Big agree

So much fun shooting into hordes

[bitter turtle]

revolver should not be doing that

[torn moat]

1% ammo regen on revolver is less than 1 bullet per kill.

[umbral scaffold]

You kill elites and specialists with 1 shot usually

[silk oasis]

which columnus are you talking about?

[sage agate]

agri iag my beloved ❤️

[umbral scaffold]

It’s round up to 1 round

[torn moat]

Didn't they get rid of the rounding?

[terse idol]

No

[torn moat]

Like 3 patchs ago

[umbral scaffold]

I honestly got used to treating every gun like Kruber's musket thingy

[terse idol]

Survivalist doesn't round up

It uses decimal points

[crude ermine]

I have, but unfortunately lost interest in it for the time being

[umbral scaffold]

Burst damage to kill important shit

[crude ermine]

Too much elf will do that to you

[umbral scaffold]

I am pretty sure you get 1 shot per elite/specialist kill even now

[tiny summit]

No. It's why a kickback ogryn gets so much value sitting near a vet.

[umbral scaffold]

Then back to slicing

[terse idol]

So you could he hitting 2:1

[umbral scaffold]

Otherwise I’d notice how useless the revolver is

[terse idol]

Or 3:1

[torn moat]

So again, you have to kill 2 specials/elites (Without missing any other shots) to regen 1 bullet.

[sage agate]

wish i could bring myself to play it more, but darktide plays better imo

(hot take for vt fans)

[terse idol]

Wouldn't that be dependant on your ammo mod for revolver?

[crude ermine]

Debatable but I respect your opinion

[fresh mango]

every 2 kills gives you 1 bullet BUT this isnt accounting for every time your ALLIES kills 2 elites

[terse idol]

Because it's max ammo

[frank ether]

revolver doesnt get ammo roll

[terse idol]

If you have a high max ammo revolver...

[frank ether]

at least

zarona doesnt

[terse idol]

Oh

[torn moat]

Not really. As long as it has less than 100 rounds, it will never regen 1 shot per special/elite kill.

[frank ether]

agripina braced maybe

[crude ermine]

It foes not

[terse idol]

Okay

Then it isn't 1:1

[crude ermine]

It has reload speed and mobility

[umbral scaffold]

You talk as if getting a free special kill every other shot is bad

[crude ermine]

With pen, bonus Crit and damg

[terse idol]

But best case for a 2:1 is still good

Because you can get penetration

Kill multiple in one shot

[frank ether]

in any case you might just have to occasionally pick up a tin or two boohoo what a nightmare

[bitter turtle]

revolver enables a melee playstyle better than almost any gun is the short of it

[umbral scaffold]

I think always prepared does factor into survivalist ammo regen as well

[torn moat]

Alright compare that to weapons that have several hundred rounds of ammo? They regen multiple shots per elite kill.

[bitter turtle]

and melee vet is still one of the best ways to play this class

[terse idol]

Wdym

[frank ether]

yeah my ciag regens a lot on kill

[crude ermine]

Meleeing all over the place

[frank ether]

it also takes an entire mag to kill a crusherr you know

[terse idol]

Survivalist is just 1%

[bitter turtle]

the difference is what i mentioned before - they might be better at mowing down hordes as a gun-only playstyle, but that playstyle is unironically weaker than running revolver+psword and abusing the power of melee vet lul

[fresh mango]

This is kinda stupid to discuss im ngl

[crude ermine]

It really is

[torn moat]

Yes, many will take more shots. But depends on the weapon. If you hit weak points and breakpoints, many of the guns can be ammo positive.

[crude ermine]

But it's kinda fun

[fresh mango]

wow this gun has way more bullets so it has better ammo!

[limber egret]

hey so what makes the bayonet on the MK 1 and 2 helbores great currently?

[bitter turtle]

like ya if you intend to ONLY USE REVOLVER and never pull out your melee, revolver might be kinda bad

[fresh mango]

But it takes more bullets to kill

[frank ether]

vet chat always has the most silly pointless discussions lmao

its part of the charm a

at this point

[bitter turtle]

the stab

[umbral scaffold]

When you have 25% plus more ammo that increases how much ammo you get for pickups and how much ammo you have in reserve. So 1% of your ammo would be a higher number with +25% ammo

[fresh mango]

it is

[bitter turtle]

is gud

[frank ether]

braced revolver breaks over 100 rounds with %25 ammo btw

[serene bough]

what gun are we talking about

[sage agate]

for something as low ammo as the revolver this is sweating over very small changes in decimals tho i think
(the aim revolver)

[frank ether]

if you want a more spammy revolver braced is there for u

[umbral scaffold]

I still am in utter shock at the implication that using melee to save ammo is bad

[terse idol]

Oh yeah

[umbral scaffold]

The only thing bad is their melee skills

[terse idol]

Oh yeahh

[torn moat]

I was unaware of that, but cool.

[terse idol]

Who vet?

[terse idol]

I disagree

[limber egret]

Oof i just rolled this

[terse idol]

Weapon spec vet

Incredible

[crude ermine]

Revolver and something else

[terse idol]

Rivals zealots in melee imo

[umbral scaffold]

Some vets. Some people are great at melee not saying all vets are bad at melee

[junior grail]

Ranged and melee rolled into one

[frank ether]

I don't even run weapon spec

dont know why you need it

[sage agate]

also the disregard of your teammates who are likely taking out elites and specials at the same time with their own melee/ranged

[crude ermine]

Idk we've reached the point of discord debate that I've forgot how this started

[sage agate]

which saves you ammo

[frank ether]

you can make a perfectly competitive melee vet without any keystones

[serene bough]

oh i dontuse the revolver much

[bitter turtle]

yes

but you can make an even more busted vet with the melee keystones :^)

[serene bough]

melee vet perks i usually take are repricocity and desperado

[final meadow]

Can we all agree Power sword is the way to go at least

[serene bough]

i dont bother with the keystone that much

[umbral scaffold]

Me furiously QQing after every poxwalker kill to not watch the reload animation

[umbral scaffold]

It is a way to go

[tiny summit]

I'm right now going only for 80 dmg/stopping power helbore 1s

[serene bough]

shovel supremacy

[frank ether]

don't think the extra attack speed makes a difference past a certain point

[torn moat]

People claiming revolver is best ranged weapon on vet. I am saying it's good now, but people overhype it.

[bitter turtle]

1 crusher appears

[frank ether]

I don't even take trench fighter on combat knife

[torn moat]

Case in point "Revolver is only good on melee focused builds".

[junior grail]

Thoughts on which new shovel is fave?

[sage agate]

sorry but im a hipster that uses tacaxe now

[serene bough]

just bonk it like 20 times on the head

[crude ermine]

Yeah

[umbral scaffold]

Mk3 is amazing I have seen the way

[sage agate]

the one with the wide sweeping heavies, lets me still CC like the old shovel

[umbral scaffold]

People don't overhype it, it's perfect at doing the best task of a ranged weapon

[serene bough]

surely this is the best way to kill a crusher

[bitter turtle]

ya but melee builds are still op

[tiny summit]

optimal revolver reloading

[bitter turtle]

not that columnus is bad but

[torn moat]

So is Plasma

[bitter turtle]

or other types like that

but gunpsyker noises

and im p sure plasma/revolver are both considered top tier weapons so

[crude ermine]

However I do enjoy the mk3 shovel

[umbral scaffold]

Until revolver stops clowning specials hidden in the middle of thick hordes, revolver pretty much can't be overrated

[bitter turtle]

i dont think anyone was saying plasma doesnt compete well

[torn moat]

Also, I said 'vet'. Revolver is fantastic for other classes.

[serene bough]

you switch back to the standard issue

[crude ermine]

Can't make me nuh uh

[silk oasis]

Ok, i asked some questions and chat exploded, if i could get some extra answers it would be great. I would like RANGED vet build not melee.

[umbral scaffold]

Umgak

[bitter turtle]

pick a gun first

[umbral scaffold]

Play knife and be happy

[serene bough]

plenty of ways to build for ranged

[umbral scaffold]

Standard issue shovel has better heavy attacks than the mk3 imo

[torn moat]

My point I keep stating is revolver is overrated for vet. It's good. But definitely not BIS as others have argued.

[bitter turtle]

it is BiS though

[silk oasis]

I just want one that works, last time i asked that questions i switched to ogryn

[bitter turtle]

for the strongest build

[umbral scaffold]

The wide sweeping is better for crowd control but the mk3 with uncanny strike will murder carapace

[frank ether]

Its up there with the best of the best guns

[umbral scaffold]

BIS gravitates between plasma and revolver

[bitter turtle]

plasma/revolver is basically just preference at that point

plasma is clunkier but even more braindead

easy to use

[sage agate]

cant go wrong with any gun/build, but generally take survivalist and either left or middle keystone

[limber egret]

ok i see why bayonet very strong now

[sage agate]

also take a toughness gen at the top of the tree, either weakspot kill or special/elite kill

[serene bough]

BiS is kind of weird to debate with the revolver

[umbral scaffold]

Both are essentially tied as the best guns in the game, given I don't play ogryn

[serene bough]

because it's arguably one of a kind in comparison to other weapons

[umbral scaffold]

But even kickback doesn't seem to have the same level of special clowning

[bitter turtle]

yeah I mean I guess its not BiS for left keystone vets

[frank ether]

Its like a quickswap instant ads sniper rifle for your melee veteran

[bitter turtle]

but DMR style play is just decent at best

[serene bough]

yeah pretty much

[crude ermine]

I still like it tho

[serene bough]

pocket sniper

[umbral scaffold]

Basically this

[frank ether]

pretty much yes

[umbral scaffold]

Not running a mk2 or mk1 helbore, which is better and is it worth running onslaught on either one of them?

You look at the special funny and suddenly there's no trapper

[serene bough]

but lots of guns arent pocket snipers, so it's technically best in slot bc there isn't much else it competes with

[umbral scaffold]

And maybe you caught something behind it with the cleave

[frank ether]

If that revolver had more reserve ammo it would be so stupidly broken

[sage agate]

run a mk1 and onslaught, yeah

[forest blaze]

I’ve been a big fan recently of plasma + new chain axe using weapon specialist. Stay melee with chaxe and pull the plasma to shoot hoes from afar

[frank ether]

that the ammo and reload is literally the only thing keeping revolver in check

and you come complain that ammo is keeping it in check lmao

[umbral scaffold]

Killing 4 shotgunners with one shot is fucking bliss

[crude ermine]

I like to run volley adept with it

[torn moat]

Any consenus on which chain axe is best now?

[umbral scaffold]

I love my mk3 it’s pretty good I just wonder if anyone thinks it’s worth switching over cause the bayo is pretty on the others

[serene bough]

i havent used the revolver since it was buffed to its current state

[forest blaze]

Big fan of the new mk12 one

[frank ether]

preference. Do you like lights for cleave or heavies for cleave.

[forest blaze]

Strike down heavies 🤌

[tiny summit]

Yes. Mk1 with onslaught and surgical is my favorite weapon right now

[frank ether]

old chainaxe can light rev one shot a lot of special and elites

[torn moat]

Light attacks for hordes, heavy attacks for killing armor.

[sage agate]

oh yeah i use mk3, but mk1 is the middle-ground helbore that still retains high-ish damage

[umbral scaffold]

How’s the charged damage on crushers with the mk1

[umbral scaffold]

But then it becomes about what the guns do that are actually important in the game

[forest blaze]

Both can

[frank ether]

its a light attack for the old one though

[umbral scaffold]

Horde guns are redundant as fuck

[sage agate]

for mk1 you could opt to run sustained fire or opening salvo, either one

[tiny summit]

Old chainaxe revved h1 is a strikedown now

[sage agate]

instead of onslaught

[serene bough]

its more about what playstyle do you prefer playing since many guns are able to preform in the highest difficulty with some exceptions

[umbral scaffold]

A gun that can cleave towards specials removes the mobility and cleave problem of trying to reach it with more "balanced" guns

[frank ether]

and I don't mind charging heavies for horde clear since its not that timing sensitive

[umbral scaffold]

And it just so happens disablers are the most dangerous enemies in the game

Except crushers because of the fucking one-shots

But an enemy that effectively one-shots you without team intervention is absolute highest priority

And revolver shits on them hard

[serene bough]

a lot of weapons do though

trappers arent exactly tanky

[torn moat]

Can't the new vet shovel one shot crushers?

[bitter turtle]

I think what excels for revolver is unironically the swap speed

[umbral scaffold]

They don't need to be, but the situations in which revolver can execute its function are massive

[bitter turtle]

I've tried wep specialist builds for v7

[sage agate]

nah but it stuns them

[frank ether]

it can, with limbsplitter proc

[sage agate]

at least i havent managed to one shot

[bitter turtle]

It's not even slow to come out but it still is a bit clunky

[umbral scaffold]

Fast as fuck swap, huge cleave, cracked damage

[torn moat]

vraks 7 needs buff.

[bitter turtle]

Eh

It's fine as is

[frank ether]

nah

[torn moat]

At least give it the abiltiy to penetrate multiple targets on weak point hit.

[bitter turtle]

I only use it and nothing else in auric mael

[torn moat]

ability*

[frank ether]

I used to think the same thing and then I realized its just sharpshooter veteran that sucks

[serene bough]

yeah but only 5 shots + reload (unless you're going weapon specialist) so the revolver's power is balanced out by that

[umbral scaffold]

It is, but at the same time it fits melee-heavy builds like a glove

[serene bough]

everyone knows the revolver is good, im just saying there's plenty of weapons that can compete in high difficulties

[umbral scaffold]

And you have staged reloads on top of wep spec

[bitter turtle]

It's basically better than anything else at picking off non-carapace elites/specials in huge quantities

Imo

OK except plasma maybe

[umbral scaffold]

Oh, there's a lot of competition, of course

[bitter turtle]

If they're all standing in a line

[frank ether]

I'm running autoguns instead lately

due to knifes poor cleave

[umbral scaffold]

I can wipe most of the enemy roster with the agri IAG

[serene bough]

i recently swapped from autoguns to infantry las

[umbral scaffold]

You keep the crosshair steady and let the finesse do the rest

[bitter turtle]

But my gunner kills is always 3x everyone with v7 in AM

And usually still higher specialist kills too

[serene bough]

im still trying to enjoy chain weapons but shovel moveset the best for me

[torn moat]

How are Infantry Las comparing? Haven't played them in a few patches now.

[serene bough]

Mg1a & mg4 good in my opinion

[umbral scaffold]

I rate gun usefulness by cleave because it ends up tied to damage per shot anyway

[serene bough]

Mg1a outshines Mg12 but Mg12 still okay

[umbral scaffold]

Except the agri revolver

[torn moat]

So Mg4>Mg1a>Mg12?

[sage agate]

other way around

[umbral scaffold]

Plasma and revolver at the top, lasguns at the bottom

[serene bough]

mg4 and mg1a are prefrence, but generally mg1a better

[sage agate]

although the Ia isvery good

[tiny summit]

Mg4 is good

[serene bough]

mg4 i like for large streams of sustained fire and mg1a i use for 1 tap headshots

you could hold the trigger down for like half a minute if you bring shocktrooper

[tall torrent]

MG1a > MG4 ≈ MG12

[torn moat]

My only gripe with the 12 is that it's rate of fire limits it's ability to change targets quickly.

[serene bough]

i dont think mg4 and 12 are equivalent

[umbral scaffold]

I can't stress how utterly maddening it is to get an MG12 crit blocked by the poxwalker doing a Mr. President Get Down for the toxflamer because that massive damage gun has no fucking cleave

[serene bough]

mg4 is kind of like a hybrid between an infantry las and a laspistol

[tall torrent]

MG12 has the best one shot potential but lowest DPS, and it requires you to play either Exe stance or marksman’s focus

Or it doesn’t reach 1 shot potential and is just not worth using

[serene bough]

but doesnt the 1a also reach the same breakpoints with exe stance as the 12

[bitter turtle]

Does 12 even have any real advantage over v7 or helbore

[tall torrent]

It has a flashlight

[bitter turtle]

[tall torrent]

And doesn’t require mods to have good sights

[bitter turtle]

OK fair

[sage agate]

more ammo efficient for killing shooters

[tiny summit]

Helbore sights fine

[bitter turtle]

V7 and hb3 effectively have infinite ammo as it is

[sage agate]

fine, but not good

[bitter turtle]

I dont think more ammo is what they really need to worry about

[serene bough]

i dont think any las weapon struggles with ammo as long as shocktrooper exists

[tiny summit]

Yep

[bitter turtle]

Ywah

[tiny summit]

Except recon...

[serene bough]

we dont talk about recon

[bitter turtle]

And v7 can go entire runs with no pickups with surv

[serene bough]

wonder how they'll nerf survivalist in the future

[umbral scaffold]

They shouldn’t

1% ammo for elites and specialists is fine as is

[serene bough]

i would be surprised if it doesn't happen

[sage agate]

gimme 1.5 so i dont even look at an ammo pack again

[serene bough]

1% with the amount of elites in auric maelstrom is enough to replenish your ammo reserve 5x over in some cases

[umbral scaffold]

Sure but it matches the difficulty of such levels

Vets without survivalist will vacuum up all the ammo on a map otherwise

[serene bough]

i don't disagree, but thats part of the problem w/ the games ammo economy

[serene bough]

and its why survivalist is almost always the pick

[limber egret]

hey so you know this blessing right?

how its garbage?

would it be better if they just changed it to if you hit weakspots it does this?

[serene bough]

infantry las has no problem with ammo economy

[umbral scaffold]

You can’t shoot for 4-5 seconds each shot

[sage agate]

even then, nah

lasgun has ZERO ammo issues, esp if you run shocktroop

[umbral scaffold]

get shocktrooper instead of efficiency

[limber egret]

yeah but what if they changed it to what i mentioned

so its actually good blessing?

[umbral scaffold]

They should buff efficiency definitely

[serene bough]

as long as shocktrooper exists there's no reason for efficiency

[umbral scaffold]

Weakspots are easy to hit with lasguns and it would make shock trooper redundant

[tiny summit]

It should be nerfed by either deleting it and redoing map drops or keep the base level and bake it into all 3 auras

[serene bough]

crits consuming no ammo with blessings like headhunter make every infantry las self sustaining

[umbral scaffold]

Lore accurate too

I wish efficiency didn't share a spot with headhunter and DA

Lasguns are the pinnacle of logistics

[limber egret]

well yeah but the game shouldnt be left with things this bad really

[serene bough]

im sure it'll be changed

a lot as changed within a year

[limber egret]

so figured i could give an idea on what they could atleast do

[umbral scaffold]

People clowned on efficiency in the past, but it's actually a genuinely nice blessing

Or was before we got fixed survivalist and shock trooper

And HH and DA

Yea before it was nice on the mg12 since it was already slow firing sure

[sage agate]

i would really rather see efficiency on plasmaguns

[limber egret]

the helbore seem like would benefit

[sage agate]

33% reduced ammo on charged shots would be nice

[limber egret]

if your doing the charge attack on it

[serene bough]

shocktroop + surgical

[limber egret]

actually right

forgot about that

tho i guess plasma gun would benefit having a effcienty like that

like for charged shots

[umbral scaffold]

Oh, and the thing is

[ebon umbra]

unless they nerf the plasma in someway it really doesnt need that

[umbral scaffold]

Efficiency is straight up lying about everything

[ebon umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-liar-star-wars-lying-gif-8634649

[umbral scaffold]

It says not shooting for X seconds causes the next shot to be buffed

It doesn't, you don't need to not shoot

It says it reduces the cost by 33%

It doesn't, it makes the shot cost 1

On the MG12 it reduces a shot's cost every idfk 4 or 5 seconds by 75%

Unless they fixed that, which isn't Fatshark's MO

Knowing them and what they did to run n gun

Efficiency probably deals 200% damage on the affected shot or something and mails ammo back to the Mourningstar

Unmentioned ofc

Just like run n gun doesn't like to say it uhhh

I think it was reduced hipfire spread and increased close range damage

[limber egret]

i really just want some new guns mainly

been hoping for the hotshot lasgun/hellgun for veteran

[devout comet]

At what distance do you get the full damage bonus of longshot?

[final meadow]

Meltagun den

[limber egret]

the new funny shovel is the only new ish thing they added

like after a year

[final meadow]

Super shovel would be great

[limber egret]

it would be really nice to get atleast some new guns that are not just existing weapons but different patterns

[hardy ember]

Need hotshot lasguns and belt fed stubbas please

Bolt and plasma pistols as well

[limber egret]

im not sure if theres gonna be like a Christmas update

[final meadow]

Sniper rifle would be cool as well

[limber egret]

like new content and stuff

[terse shell]

day 60, still waiting for melk to drop power cycler IV

[limber egret]

but since they are apperenty adding a scion skin it would be nice to see the hotshot lasgun/hellgun be added

would be a letdown if they end up not

[final meadow]

Should be Kasrkin change my mind

[hardy ember]

A Scion skill without hellgun is not a Scion

Much like a space marine without his armor

[limber egret]

even if its just one new weapon

i would take it if its the hotshot/hellgun

[frozen meadow]

I made an abomination, time to cook

[limber egret]

its the number 1 weapon i want really

[tiny summit]

Likely not. This part 2 anniversary update is likely the last stuff until they return from holiday in the new year

[steady pawn]

what blessings are wanted on a devils claw?

[limber egret]

that would be a letdown really

[crude fiber]

i think it was something silly like 35 meters

[devout comet]

._.

[crude fiber]

they really meant longshot

[slender turtle]

No, its not surpression. Firing in rapid pace with it just feels awful compared to everything else

[umbral scaffold]

It depends on the weapon, use the inspect on them in your inventory and it’ll tell you somewhere in there what the ranges are

[tiny summit]

I'm OK with the bolter kicking like a mule

[final meadow]

Just wish the magazine lasted for longer

[devout comet]

You sure, looking at my recon lazgun and it doesn't say anywhere

[slender turtle]

Im not when its competition kills everything else faster and better. It could use all the benefits it can get without affecting its damage

[umbral scaffold]

When I get home I’ll get on and check sorry if I accidentally misinformed you

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/does-veterans-longshot-talent-have-a-minimum/83937/2

@devout comet this forum post will have the info you need

I remember it being a fixed range for all guns

[bitter turtle]

Iirc it's something like 30m for full dmg

[umbral scaffold]

Yea apparently I might’ve been wrong I remembered it being dependent on the weapon itself since not all weapons have the same effective ranges

[bitter turtle]

It's stupidly long

[sage agate]

the emperor invented the agri iag for the sole purpose of dunking on heretics

[umbral scaffold]

I think you're lying about being Vernick

[bitter turtle]

I consider Longshot only useful if your gun is like literally 10 dmg short from a breakpoint

Lul

[sage agate]

[sage agate]

longshot's only purpose is for getting either volley or exhilarating takedown

[devout comet]

God dam they made one of the best looking skills actually garbage

[sage agate]

which one

[bitter turtle]

Longshot prob

[devout comet]

Lmao

[bitter turtle]

Since they were asking

[umbral scaffold]

I like the long range engagements in Darktide my only wish is that they could be longer but alas we are in crowded hive cities

[bitter turtle]

It's not that garbage but you can't rely on it being more than like 5-10 percent dmg

It's OK on some guns

[devout comet]

Vet is underpowered part 2 inbound

[sage agate]

yeah it really should ramp up over a shorter distance

[devout comet]

But yea it's a real shame

[bitter turtle]

There's still way worse talents

[umbral scaffold]

Lasguns by default do less damage at shorter ranges iirc

[devout comet]

I know

[umbral scaffold]

So longshot on a lasgun isn’t the worst deal ever

[sage agate]

[devout comet]

Not all

[sage agate]

also kill zone NEVER procs

[bitter turtle]

Fire team is OK honestly

[sage agate]

since yo're always within 8m of an enemy on auric/damnation

[umbral scaffold]

This actually is better than the movement speed aura lol

[sage agate]

truue

[bitter turtle]

If you compare it to other auras on other classes it's about the same

[sage agate]

also the talents before movement aura are pretty bad

[bitter turtle]

Survivalist is just broken

[sage agate]

[bitter turtle]

Ya that one is terrible

[umbral scaffold]

I like that one

[bitter turtle]

Only exists for mercy killer knife

[umbral scaffold]

I also hardly run it but I liked it on the knife

[serene bough]

and bloodletter on chain weapons for bosses

[bitter turtle]

And imo mercy killer knife is not even the best setup for knife

[sage agate]

also they really need to add a link here

instead of having to crawl over

but thats just my bad opinion

bc i want to find ways to save talent points to also pick up desperado

[bitter turtle]

They should just make survivalist passive for vets and make a new aura

Fire team and movespeed arent bad

Survivalist is just too good

Fucking phone

[umbral scaffold]

Make veterans by default have at least 0.5% ammo regen with the other auras and survivalist will buff that to 1%

So that ammo isn’t too much of a concern and the other auras might have a reason to be picked

[frozen meadow]

do bleed or fire trigger onsalught?

[bitter turtle]

They patched it to not trigger it last patch

Used to

For bleeding at least idk about fire

[tiny summit]

Yea just bake survivalist into all auras

[tiny summit]

Just keep basic. Fuck any upgraded version

[teal abyss]

Wouldn’t giving vets passive ammo regen make that one penance about finishing a mission with no ammo like very hard lol

[bitter turtle]

Like I unironically think fire team and movespeed are better than most auras if you look at all classes lol

[tiny summit]

Fuck it. Stupid penance anyways

[sage agate]

i thought you could complete it if you depleted all your ammo and never equipped your ranged?

[calm prairie]

Thats true, pretty sure the cheese still works as well

[bitter turtle]

Well let me ask

[sage agate]

that's how i got it done

could've been shadowpatched tho

[bitter turtle]

Would you rather have Fire team or 10 percent dmg only for your melee heavies lol

[devout comet]

They need a reload passive tbh

Replace the movement one

[bitter turtle]

Or the psyker elite dmg one which got nerfed to a straight downgrade to fire team

[tiny summit]

Now that is an ass aura

[serene bough]

tbh these auras would be competitive if they just stacked in coherency

[sage agate]

any psyker that doesnt take presence makes me sad

[tiny summit]

Wasn't fire team like 3% before?

[serene bough]

yeah used to be 3%

[halcyon jackal]

alright how the fuck is the long bomb penance supposed to be done

[sage agate]

tag enemy, look up until their range meter just disappears at some certain distance, then lmb quick throw

i think it's 25m

[bitter turtle]

But yeah the movespeed aura is low key really good

[calm prairie]

End of the ammo depot mission

[tiny summit]

Throw grenade. Time it to blow up before it lands

[bitter turtle]

Just doesn't get picked cause survivalist is so far out of line

[calm prairie]

Thats one of the less ass penances

[bitter turtle]

Compared to anything else on any class for auras

[tiny summit]

I got it when I wanted to go for it randomly at the start of a match. On the map with the daemon tree

[tiny summit]

5% anything gonna look like ass to free ammo

[bitter turtle]

Ya basically

[halcyon jackal]

Which grenade is best for it

[gaunt hinge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1048425477569785906/long_bomb.mp4?ex=6598bad0&is=658645d0&hm=b723eca9c76580b286f72e65894202ed7bff69d61e4b78803df755cbd83d0036&

[devout comet]

f u c k n o

Are you dumb?

[sage agate]

this is the way

[bitter turtle]

no u

[forest blaze]

The mission that has the long underground railway spot that you have to run through is perfect. You can throw a grenade from one side to the other and get the penance

[warm idol]

based agri enjoyer

yeah sure the ciag is better dps

but does it have the big, meaty chunky feeling of the agri?

I think not

[devout comet]

Go to the dusty mission with the big open area with the transmitter in the middle, don't head down aim your grenade at the where the enimies jump down. Got it first try

But fr movment is dumb and the modifier on the first row should just get the extra +5% while it's aura is replaced with a reload one

[sage agate]

haters will say "b-but you don't NEED to two tap snipers with your autogun! just spray and pray in their general direction!"

[bitter turtle]

Movespeed is gud

[sage agate]

also agri has cleave i think lol

[bitter turtle]

You can unironically just walk away from a lot of problems lol

[devout comet]

Yea but having it as an aura is b a a d

[warm idol]

yeah it has a bit of cleave like the xii iirc

[bitter turtle]

Nah

Other classes can appreciate it too

[sage agate]

also TIL that trapper is maniac apparently

[warm idol]

I think most "heavy" variants of guns have 1 target cleave

[devout comet]

What you're gonna give your allies the movement speed to walk away from you and then immediatly be debuffed again?

[warm idol]

yeah but they are gonna appreciate ammo regen more

[bitter turtle]

I already said surv is still the pick

It's too far out of line relative to any aura on any tree

[gaunt hinge]

Why walk away from a problem when bullets can do the walking

[devout comet]

Reload speed aura is desperately needed, would probably rival surv if they make it like 20%

[warm idol]

reload speed aura if it's a noticeable % would actually be goated

especially for ogryns

since their guns reload slower than a paraplegic turtle

[umbral scaffold]

reload speed aura if it was actually good would be monstrous for something like the achlys

[bitter turtle]

If your teammates are dumb they're going to sprint out of surv range anyway if they already run faster than you

Lol

[umbral scaffold]

pumping out hundreds of bullets in seconds

[forest blaze]

They’re all that dumb

[bitter turtle]

The point of movespeed is for in combat mobility

Ya but I'm saying

Movespeed doesn't make that worse

If anything it helps you keep up

When they dip out and lose the aura lul

[forest blaze]

Kek

[umbral scaffold]

I'd appreciate a 10% reload aura

[forest blaze]

Apes trying to solo the mission makes the game much harder than it needs to be

[devout comet]

Hmm yes, let me pic the aura that makes me microsopically faster

[bitter turtle]

In gonna echo what someone was saying earlier today

[devout comet]

Pick vangaurd next time, it'll help more

[gaunt hinge]

Blitz damage aura

[sage agate]

would be interesting, tho veteran does get this tax talent

[bitter turtle]

The two movespeed nodes gives you enough to practically walk away from most threats lol

[forest blaze]

Both movement talents together work well

Super well

[bitter turtle]

Ya

You're underestimating it a lot lul

[forest blaze]

You can outrun literally everything

You can almost outrun knife wielders on their way to steal ammo

[frank ether]

thats true

however

[sage agate]

correction: you can charge at the enemy faster, for the emperor

[frank ether]

zealot still does more naturally

[devout comet]

Did I not just say that the auras +5 should be moved to the node?

[forest blaze]

#zealot-class

[devout comet]

Because it should be

[forest blaze]

+10% MS on a node lmao

[calm prairie]

Sprint efficiency and 5% movement speed my beloved

[bitter turtle]

Sounds busted

Plus

[forest blaze]

100%

[bitter turtle]

As an aura its fine

It helps the team

[forest blaze]

It’s not microscopic. It’s actually huge.

[devout comet]

+10% (or 20 if they're smart) to the other side would be pretty helpful especially at the other side

[forest blaze]

+20% l m f a o

[bitter turtle]

Dude

[sage agate]

15% maybe

[frank ether]

%20 movement

[bitter turtle]

20 percent

[frank ether]

lmao

[bitter turtle]

Are you serious

[sage agate]

20% would be goofy

[frank ether]

we outrun zealots now

[forest blaze]

💀

[devout comet]

Vet could do with a cut down of some skills so

[serene sage]

i think youre right

[forest blaze]

You trollin. I’m gonna walk lol

[frank ether]

To me its hilarious that vet tree gets a rework every single month

and it still has problems

that persisted since P13

[serene sage]

movement speed should be 40%

[frank ether]

like this whole aura debate

[umbral scaffold]

There is no debate everything other than survivalist isn’t liked at all

[sage agate]

good sign tho that it's getting reworks

[devout comet]

It's cuz they neglect like half the tree and half bake it, just look at weapon specialist

[sage agate]

instead of us having to cope with the old shitty tree

[frank ether]

no a good sign would be them getting it right on the first try

or second at worst

[tall torrent]

I think current tree is pretty decent

[frank ether]

having your talent tree reworked every month is not a good thing lmao

[versed merlin]

yeah i want martyrdom vet

[bitter turtle]

At least they realize born leader is useless

[devout comet]

Imagine making a skill that gives you tons of reduant crit and having it only apply to the first shot only

[bitter turtle]

They put it on the same line as suppression boost

[tall torrent]

At least the current bottom half of the tree actually feels good to use

[frank ether]

except certain keystones

[inland orchid]

I was riding a lie rocking it for the longest time

[frank ether]

but yes

[tall torrent]

Bottom left pathing is very strong, would prefer marksman focus keystone got better for sure

[serene sage]

i think that if you kill a poxwalker, it should give us 100% crit chance for 5 minutes

[frank ether]

I think the tree is better

[celest vine]

You can get away with fire team

[serene sage]

cause the vet tree is really bloated

[frank ether]

I can now do a no keystone veteran better

[bitter turtle]

Marksman focus just needs a little better bonuses

[serene sage]

and vet are just ammo aura bot

[bitter turtle]

Maybe some crit

[serene sage]

so we should get compensated

[bitter turtle]

Idk

[devout comet]

Both left and right keystones are flawed tbh, left could work if it kept stacks regardless during ads

[frank ether]

you can get away with whatever the game is easy this is not the issue

issue is I'm still harassed into taking survivalist

[bitter turtle]

Left is fine at stacking though

It's easy to stack

[serene sage]

yeah agreed, we need 50% rending at 1 stack as well

[frank ether]

because mr. 2ıqgunlugger thinks I'm obliged to feed him ammo

[bitter turtle]

Just kinda low reward

[devout comet]

right is a mess though despite the fix being so easy

[serene sage]

and if you headshot, it should reload your guns

cause ogryns have it

and we lost sustainted fire

👍

[frank ether]

I'm tired of having this convo with people

[tall torrent]

I think it needs a complete redesign tbh

Rn it benefits rapid fire non-precision weapons a lot more than the precision 1-tap-orientated weapons

[celest vine]

I usually repeat cuthroat vets voice line

“You want ammo? Find your own”

[sage agate]

u dont understand, taht 5% more dmg/movement is FAR more valuable than increasing everyone's effective dps with their ranged!

[umbral scaffold]

why would you not run ammo on vet

his other auras are complete garbage in comparison

[serene sage]

cause I dont want to

[celest vine]

One extra talent point

[umbral scaffold]

If you have antisocial personality disorder and hate other ppl

[celest vine]

[umbral scaffold]

true...

[celest vine]

Shock trooper lets me have enough ammo

[ebon umbra]

if helps u dont take

but if ur not taking it bcuz people want it lol why

[devout atlas]

really only if theres a vet already running scavenger

[celest vine]

Trol

[umbral scaffold]

true

[devout atlas]

although fire team on helbores is alr

but you're sandbagging team lowkey

[frank ether]

or how about this

I'll play zealot

and steal your ammo

and you'll shut up and take it

[ebon umbra]

daddy'

[devout comet]

Ok but real quick why isn't there a way to make weapons pull out quicker or increase accuracy no I will not acknowledge that one shitty skill on the vet tree

[bitter turtle]

I just feel like if it gave crit chance I'd run it no questions on v7

[frank ether]

no one says a bloody word when I do it on zealot but when on vet everyone is a critic lmao

[bitter turtle]

It's easy enough to stack

[versed merlin]

truege

[bitter turtle]

But it doesn't give very much

[versed merlin]

like bolter taking a year and a half to pull

[bitter turtle]

I'm experimenting with focus and wep special now

[celest vine]

I use lasers so

[devout comet]

Like weapon specialist is the perfect place to put increaced pull out speed and yet it doesn't have it

w h y

[frank ether]

you can use executioner stance

its literally a glorified weapon swap key anyways

[versed merlin]

i find out that exec stance zoom is obnoxious

[devout comet]

Not what I was mean but sure...

[frank ether]

it is obnoxious, thats why you zoom it out of the game with mods

[devout atlas]

depends on what you want out of it

[versed merlin]

wait you can do that???

[frank ether]

yes, I think it was a mod called constant fov

[devout comet]

VI

[frank ether]

you can also disable sprint fov zoom

[versed merlin]

gobbless

downloading it rn

[frank ether]

you're welcome

[frank ether]

you can also disable weapon ads zoom

with the weapon fov mod

[celest vine]

This is what I wantedp

[versed merlin]

HUGE

[frank ether]

but that one I recommend you use the updated one

[versed merlin]

now i can finally play vraks

[umbral scaffold]

why does he get the cover art armor and we dont

[versed merlin]

how come no one ever told me about this before

[umbral scaffold]

little naughty heretics

[frank ether]

the original weapon fov mod creator stopped updating the mod so someone else took over it

[versed merlin]

i've been complaining about exec stance and vraks zoom for so long

[celest vine]

This is what im saying

Bots in tutorial get better gear than us

[umbral scaffold]

i want cover art veteran!

i want cover art ogryn!

[frank ether]

you can make ads = hipfire zoom

though that comes with its own unique set of challenges

as in you no longer zoom in at all

so clicking heads becomes marginally more difficult

[versed merlin]

vraks zoom is too much

[celest vine]

Cover art witch and priest suck balls so they can stay away!

[frank ether]

yeah good thing is you can configure it

[versed merlin]

ty very very much fren

[frank ether]

hope it helps

it did help me

[bitter turtle]

I wonder if it's cheaty

[forest scaffold]

The tutorial ogryn gets it

too

[umbral scaffold]

its not fair

i want to put on cover art ogryn cosmetic

[bitter turtle]

To use the mod that detects poxbursters

[umbral scaffold]

with the auric brand

[versed merlin]

does fatshark bans people who use mods that can be considered cheat?

[bitter turtle]

Nah

[umbral scaffold]

no they dont care lol

[bitter turtle]

But your PRINCIPLES

[versed merlin]

lmao

[forest scaffold]

No, they just contact the mod maker

[bitter turtle]

What if you're now a SCRUB

[umbral scaffold]

its your decision to use the mod so

[forest scaffold]

Chance 1) Adjust the mod so its no longer cheating

Chance 2) Remove it from download

[umbral scaffold]

not your fault if you get spidey sense or something

[ebon umbra]

idk if spidersense and the mod that tells u what specials are spawning are cheating. especially if u cant hear things