veteran-class

[midnight totem]

now I know why

[frank ether]

dont think impact blessings are any good except skullcrusher which is just free damage on shovel

[tidal wedge]

yes.

[frank ether]

the stat roll is pretty good on that though

and unyielding is whatever I guess

[pearl granite]

what is impact btw? 😓

[frank ether]

its like, stun power or something

[tidal wedge]

some guy in a lobby told me the twins are unyielding so could be good for farming them

take that with a grain of salt tho, I didn't fact check that

[frank ether]

I'm somehow not sure if thats correct

I know their head is carapace

[tidal wedge]

could be bs then, dunno

[pearl granite]

meanwhile I heard they are carapace...

[frank ether]

and their body I remember it as unarmored but may aswell be unyielding, I can't fact check it

I know head is carapace because it makes the armor hit effect when you strike it

thats only present when I rev into carapace

[jade notch]

Head and Left Shoulder is Carapace, Upper Torso with the chestplate is Flak, everything else is Unarmored

IIRC

[frank ether]

that sounds about right

[tidal wedge]

ignore everything I said. lol

[frank ether]

when I did the twins fight I focused more on magdumping torso over head

for that reason

either way it kinda got off topic

I'm a bit of a shovel enjoyer so

my recommendation for the OG shovel

is to have at least one power blessing of some sort

since at its base its not a very good killer

[bitter turtle]

does og shovel have an edge over mk7?

[jade notch]

Here:
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/enemies/rodin-karnak
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/enemies/rinda-karnak

The values might be sus, but it roughly correlates to what I know

[bitter turtle]

feels like mk7 is j ust og shovel with the bonk

[frank ether]

the special is a reliable stun and it has really fast horizontal heavies

[bitter turtle]

ah

[tidal wedge]

epic. thanks!

[bitter turtle]

i never played much og shovel but that's good then

would be a shame for weapon tao be totally outclassed

[jade notch]

The OG Shovel's special can stagger Crushers with a body shot, so

[frank ether]

its push attack is also decent strikedown that will make good use of rending against carapace

its not a can opener but its not exactly helpless vs carapace either

I think a lot of people struggle with OG shovel against carapace because they take decimator

and they do the push attack without stacking it

[jade notch]

I've got Uncanny Strike and Skullcrusher on mine

All the Shovels do enough Stagger that Skullcrusher generally grants more Damage up front than Decimator (unless you get enough swings to build up Deci stacks and then maintain them, all without missing)

[bitter turtle]

i run uncanny skull but on my mk3 lul

[jade notch]

Same, I think I used to run Thrust instead of Skull on my Mk 3 but I don't like the long wind-up to get all the Thrust stacks

[bitter turtle]

i was thinking about skull+limbsplitter

but

iineed to actually rol a t4 limb first

[jade notch]

Good luck, I can already hear Hadron talking shit

[bitter turtle]

i was thinking limb might let me oheshot ragers with light bonk

the bonk already does super high dmg to crushers without any rending stacks anyway

[serene sage]

most normal Mourningstar conversation

[frank ether]

I really like skullcrusher

I also have a rampage+skullcrusher d.claw 7 btw

[jade notch]

It's good considering the Vet Shovels stagger a lot of things

[frank ether]

I use that d.claw with a VoC centered build

where I take all the ability modifiers that give power

so I just shout and then nuke everything while they're stunned

[frank ether]

on a shovel yeah you have innate ability to stun things without shout

[somber axle]

Quick question: what curios do you run for Damnation

[midnight mortar]

Health, toughness, wound.

[flint garden]

3x stam

[frank ether]

It depends on build but I like + stamina / toughness / hp config for general use

[midnight mortar]

With more health, toughness, and ability regen perks.

[jade notch]

Yeah, and I tend to build Weapons that I can use between Abilities, so I don't have a DClaw specifically built with VoC in mind for example 😅

[frank ether]

Well I have like 10 something d.claws

Just took me a lot of attempts to craft the perfect one

and I decided not to destroy the ''flawed'' ones

if that makes sense

[jade notch]

You already paid for them, might as well get some use out of 'em

[frank ether]

exactly

[bitter turtle]

stam/toughness/toughness now

after the fire change

used to be stam/health/health

[frank ether]

guess if my loadout had good base stamina

I'd do 2x toughness 1x hp aswell

[idle carbon]

alright, who let Commissar Cain write the description for this

[serene sage]

health toughness stamina, 1 wound isn't bad but I don't think you should ever take more than 1

[jaunty sphinx]

plasma gun good to run for the twins? only done it on zealot and I wanna try putting together a build to do hard mode on

[wraith locust]

yea

[jaunty sphinx]

ty

[wraith locust]

you can kinda run what you want

just have voc on

[jaunty sphinx]

yea ive got it and field improv

cause thats what ive always run

actual run saving skill

[wraith locust]

[placid portal]

3 stamina

Never worry about ragers and chaos spawn

• more value for duck and dive + target down

[serene sage]

I run 2x3stam for my deadshot build and just not worry about deadshot

[wanton dawn]

Field improv is mvp on twins

Actual greatest swing between twins and normal gameplay

[shadow aurora]

Man i want a heavy machine gun for my vet

Super fast fire rate and massive mag size

Just super unwieldy to look at and use just an absolute horrific hunk of metal

[serene sage]

a lot of vet wishes are just gungryns

[shadow aurora]

Yeah but more dakka

How about that buster

[jaunty sphinx]

I use it on my build and ive saved like, at least 5 auric maelstoms w it

just anecdotal on me tho, I know its not optimal or anything

[wanton dawn]

Eh, i might try to find a point for it someday. Problem is, we still have staff psyker taking the ammo box in auric mael so...

[serene sage]

usually they drop it if you ask though

so i dont think it matters

[shadow aurora]

If you are playing staff pysker you should never pick up ammo crate unless your team cant/wont

[wanton dawn]

Field improv is for clutch. If you can ask you are not inder pressure

[shadow aurora]

Field improv is for more shooting

[wanton dawn]

I am not using ingame voice chat. Audio balance is crap

[shadow aurora]

Wait field improv is ammo aura right

[umbral scaffold]

Field improv is for the 15 krak build

Nothing else

[near sable]

GLORYYYYYYYYY TO THE FIRST MAAAAAN TO DIEEEEEEE!

[jaunty sphinx]

thanks for the advice ill lfg for it tomorrow probably

[wanton dawn]

Nope. It is box improvemrnt

[near sable]

https://youtu.be/Ezv7EekxCXI

[shadow aurora]

Ah

[serene sage]

GLORY TO THE FIRST MAN TO DIE

[wanton dawn]

It is rarely picked but has found its place against twins

[thick rose]

is there a concensus on the best way to run braced revolver?

[shadow aurora]

About anything would work with it

Id recommend right keystone with scavenger and middle ability

Or invis

Middle keystone and left ability could also work but the thing has a few accuracy problems

Need to stand still with it to get good accuracy

[stuck bridge]

to unlockhard mode for twins do you have to be on a cerrtain difficulty. and can you do the bells in private game?

[shadow aurora]

I think theres a perk on left side that could help with accuracy i dont remember

[shadow aurora]

I dont think it matters

Just dont let anyone else hit the bells

One person has to do it or it's soiled

[jaunty sphinx]

good to know

[shadow aurora]

I could help with private here in a sec if you need it

Not with the hardmode itself i still havent beet it

[jaunty sphinx]

I need it yea

[shadow aurora]

But just unlocking it

[jaunty sphinx]

unlock that is

[shadow aurora]

Okay ill @ you once i can help

You know the sequence right?

[jaunty sphinx]

lemme look it up

ok ive got the video in a tab

[shadow aurora]

Ready

What you want me to run

[jaunty sphinx]

anything really, ill be on plasma vet

ill be a little rusty

[shadow aurora]

Ok ill run shield psyker

Dt code?

[jaunty sphinx]

3562817183

character name is amelia

ty

[jaunty sphinx]

ok do we need to be on damnation to unlock hard?

[trim steppe]

no, defeat the twins with bells on any difficulty and you can use the teleporter on any difficulty

[jaunty sphinx]

thank you!

also can it just be me who rings the bell to unlock?

I heard everyone in the strike team has to

[trim steppe]

yeah just have 1 person do it

that unlocks the hard mode. then kill the boss and everyone in the team gets hard mode unlocked permanently

and then any strike team that you put together, everyone can teleport straight to the boss even if they havent done it before, as long as one person has it unlocked

[jaunty sphinx]

thank you so much!

[trim steppe]

the teleport that unlocks is two hanging bells on the left when you start the mission. the left is normal and the right is hard. everyone on the team hits the same bell and you all teleport.

[cedar pecan]

do these give good blessings or nah

I'm looking for tier 4 ones

[trim steppe]

NOPE lol they are mostly greys and shit. its very not worth it

[cedar pecan]

thanks for the warning, thought it was similar stuff to what he was selling

I have like 6600 coins or whatever but he never sells anything with blessings I want

[trim steppe]

That would make sense, but naw its either very low or 0% chance of oranges

[cedar pecan]

it's also kinda amazing how the stat rolls on the weapons he sells are always dogshit

[trim steppe]

Its really a bad shop. I literally only use it to shop T4 blessings to strip off, but like you said he rarely has any. That said over the long term I have gotten rather a lot of T4 blessings to pad out my library, but if you're hunting for a particular one you're better off going to Brunt's

I probably get like 3-4 T4s per week, but they are generally ones I don't care about lol. Just something to have for later

[cedar pecan]

going for brunt would mean i have to keep upgrading stuff which costs a lot of materials, while these melk coins are just sorta useless

[trim steppe]

The key is to upgrade just to blue, it has a chance for T4s and you save a lot of plasteel over upgrading up to orange

But yes its still expensive

[cedar pecan]

hmm good idea

but I'd still only do it if the weapon was already green

[trim steppe]

Yeah I check the shop for high level greens, upgrade them to blue and hope for T4s. Rinse and repeat

I've been doing it for a while and I have every blessing in the game at least T3, and I'm only missing about 50 T4s (I think there's about 300 total)

[cedar pecan]

btw when you get a blessing for one gun it's only for that class of guns, even if the same blessing exists on a different gun type, right?

[trim steppe]

Yeah that's correct. For example if you get Ghost on an XII it can go on any infantry lasgun, but not on any autoguns

[cedar pecan]

is it just me or is the stat/upgrade grind kinda ridiculous in this game lol

for no reason

[trim steppe]

Most classes of weapons are bundles of 3 weapons

LOL no it's not just you, most everyone puts up with it but does not like it

[cedar pecan]

like if I unlock a blessing it should just be unlocked for everything

[trim steppe]

Everyone has asked Fatshark to change it for the last year but they won't give in

[cedar pecan]

and also 2 perk/blessing slot changes per weapon is not enough, should be at least 3

I just end up with weapons with perfect rolls getting bricked

with stamina regen and reload speed

[trim steppe]

It used to be just 1 perk, and 1 blessing, instead of 2/4. So if you had 2 good perks and 2 bad blessings you were SOL

[cedar pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/975103312477167627/1182076722804445264/96C63B95-2A62-4F17-9819-C090B9772059.gif?ex=658c9c3c&is=657a273c&hm=819dba6e32f38fe17d495a5f36ad32caa00d6adf8584ff24aa285154367ec69f&

[trim steppe]

Also curios could only be rolled once, that was a pita

[cedar pecan]

never even considered that it used to be worse

[trim steppe]

I personally hope that if they don't just remove weapon locks altogether, which I think they should, I hope they let us use our enormous, useless diamantine reserves to pay to unlock rolls on individual weapons

[cedar pecan]

that would be nice

[trim steppe]

Unbrick your weapon for, say, 1000 diamantine or something

[cedar pecan]

like I've played DRG before which is not too different in terms of gameplay from Darktide and the grinds there were not nearly as bad (except cosmetic grinds)

the progression there is pretty much guaranteed, RNG just decided how fast it goes

[trim steppe]

Nice, I put a lot of hours into DRG as well! I enjoyed that loot system. It could be annoying never finding the weapon mod you wanted but it also didn't matter very much

[jolly hemlock]

drg?

[jaunty sphinx]

deep rock galactic

[cedar pecan]

but you are guaranteed to get it eventually, since the pool is limited and you can select rewards for specific classes

[jaunty sphinx]

another real fun co op horde shooter

it does space dwarves better than 40k

[cedar pecan]

There is no stat roll RNG hunt there and never once did I feel bored of the game

[trim steppe]

Yup, just with hard time gates. So it's either better or worse depending on your perspective lol. I liked it and ended up getting literally everything anyway

[jaunty sphinx]

id rather get good loot eventually but guaranteed than keep rolling a goddamn slot machine

[trim steppe]

Yeah the fact that you could easily customize a large variety of weapons and mods FOR FREE, just playing to unlock more mods... great loot system. No pointless grind to pad game time

[jaunty sphinx]

like, I have the builds I want on my classes now and I just keep playing the game because I want to. because its fun.

and I wanna try other builds and weapons! but its such a timesink AND its rng hell to get a well rolled weapon when I just wanna try it out in damnation!

[cedar pecan]

There's still a cosmetic grind for those that want it. You can even somewhat circumvent the RNG by save-scumming (made easy by the in-game menus)

[trim steppe]

Ugh it's so frustrating. It's so hard to try new shit. I've been playing for a year and I still haven't tried half the weapons because it's so expensive to get the roll combinations you want to try

[cedar pecan]

Yeah I've been wanting to try headhunter autogun but I am missing a key blessing and it's just nowhere

[trim steppe]

I grinded through the cosmetics until I was just unlocking minerals in my pods 😆. I played maybe a bit too much...

[cedar pecan]

I can't blame you, the game is fun as hell. I'm gonna get back to it today for the christmas rewards

[haughty pond]

is there enforcer skin in game files?

[eternal venture]

In game files, yes

Don't have the pic off-hand though

[haughty pond]

this one?

[eternal venture]

That's the one, yeah

It has first-person models too iirc

The wrist displays light up

[haughty pond]

nice

[eternal venture]

I know I've seen screenshots or a video of that in here at some point

[haughty pond]

looks kinda mid compared to the enforcers encountered in game tho

they had better outfits

nvm it's the same armor

but maybe different color scheme

[cedar pecan]

Is the stability here too low or is it still good

I also have this, so I'm wondering which is better

[umbral scaffold]

replace falter with deadly accurate and ur good

[ebon cove]

Should I buy this?

[muted knot]

yeah same should i upgrade this ?

[cedar pecan]

so the yellow one is better stat-wise?

[hasty reef]

@limpid jacinth the chainsword I told u about last night

[limpid jacinth]

You mean to tell me that you @ed me 24 hours later to brag about a god roll pertaining to a conversation about how crap my RNG was? Dude that’s diabolical lol

[hasty reef]

Sorry I meant to send it yesterday but only just came off work lmao

[limpid jacinth]

Riiiiiight. I think you just wanted it marinate you monster lmao

[hasty reef]

[stark saddle]

HOLY SHIT

4000 HOURS IN THIS GAME

FIRST PERFECT 380

[wet moon]

inb4 bricked

[umbral scaffold]

hadron will now give it sprint efficiency, damage vs groaners and poxwalkers, run n gun and terrifying barrage

[gray belfry]

hadron : lol. lmao. sprint efficiency and stamina upon ye

[umbral scaffold]

@vital verge fuck u

[untold flame]

Bold to assume he has the necessary plasteel to brick it with

[stark saddle]

Close enough

I got cucked

I will keep it for the day that Fatshark graces us with the ability to change more than 2 blessings/perks

[gray belfry]

what did you get

[shadow aurora]

(Probably never)

[gray belfry]

im waiting for them to add reds again

[stark saddle]

they will probably release reds

[stark saddle]

• 20% Unyielding and T4 surpressing fire atm

[shadow aurora]

Whats a red

[gray belfry]

in vermintide 2 they were the highest tier of weapons. the gimmick was youd have the max stat always when you rerolled it

[shadow aurora]

Wait unyielding is good

[gray belfry]

so instead of it being like 3-5% crit chance itd always be 5%

[shadow aurora]

Neat

[gray belfry]

just pure rng to get though

hope to christ if they do add it to darktide they make it actually obtainable. maybe with a diamantine cost or something to justify having it, im sitting on 22.5k of it right now with nothing to use it for

[shadow aurora]

Dont have high hopes the way everyone constantly shit talks them

[junior grail]

So... I saw ChocoB killing it with Vet Graia Brauto. Does this mean its a good weapon now? Haha

[gray belfry]

shit i just use the agri slug shotty atm because its fun

[stark saddle]

It was obtainable

But u needed to speedrun the Pit map

there was a glitch where u could use phase through walls

also u can dupe deeds infinitely

so get a Legend Deed of the Pit with double emp vault

u can speedrun that map in under 3 minutes easily

I got every red skin in the entire game that way

If u want to do it the normal way which is by getting 2 grims and 3 books then speedrunning Haunted Bell, it will take u nine years and a half lol

[gray belfry]

still not as terible as vermintide end times. fucking hell trying to get red executioners was hell

'whats that you want the shiny new thing? shame the maps it drops on have less tomes/grims so your rng is gimped'

[stark saddle]

Im glad Vermintide 2 was my first tide game lol

[shadow aurora]

Hope right keystone gets buffed

The actual keystone itself is fine but its modifiers are so weak

Except on your toes that ones goated

[gray belfry]

i just use the keystone as is, the melee speed is nice, but the ranged one feels so....'oh cool its active i guess'

[terse idol]

I mean the one that reloads a bullet in your clip is pretty good
The whole guaranteeing a crit, getting 10 stacks practically guarantees you take down anything you shoot

If you run a hard hitting weapon of course

[shadow aurora]

Its pretty much useless on lower ammo cap weapons

One bullet for the revolver

Three bullets for bolter

[terse idol]

Weapon spec was made for revolver

I mean its the case where yes you swap to get 1 or 2 bullets on the revolver, gurantee a crit, swap back

[shadow aurora]

Well brace revolver mb. Didn't specify

[torn root]

I wish survivalits was in the middle of the skill tree...

[terse idol]

Hmm, I mean sure it's kinda debatable
I think the fanning is still good with weapon spec imo

[shadow aurora]

I just wish it got a little buff

[terse idol]

Still gurantee a crit but the value of fanning is kinda lost

[shadow aurora]

Especially the right side of it the melee ones are useless

[terse idol]

Well the first one, the stamina restore? Ain't baad

[shadow aurora]

You can get all five crits with spec and mag dump anything to kill it

[shadow aurora]

Really? I feel like its a waste of a point

Vet has a lot of good passives so using a point on a bit of extra stamina feels redundant

Especially when you have to yank out your gun and kill something for it to work

[cerulean void]

They had to put it on the left side because if an Infiltrate veteran could run it with focus fire and smokes you'd have one of the most brokenly OP ranged classes in the game again

[tight dragon]

thanks hadron

[delicate estuary]

I usually just salvage if I see shit perks at purple level

[versed merlin]

lets goooooo

took 2 tries, but this felt like the hardest one

[woeful ibex]

||You guys saw the datamine in reddit?||

[terse idol]

Oh no

I didn't see the recolour

[placid portal]

Ngl i'm seeing brautos with a new light

though I'm not gonna count on it when shooting a sniper +30ms

[oblique horizon]

Yeah, though is that a new body or recolor with mod? I didnt see it in files when I checked yesterday

[versed merlin]

thats actually cool, i like that one

is it coming next thursday?

[oblique horizon]

There were also Christmas or winter themed skins added in files so maybe those

[shadow aurora]

Id love to have the green one for my stealth vet

Probably will also buy the black helmet by itself

If its not to expensive

[oblique horizon]

Thatll be 1400 like the krieg one

[sharp ember]

that fit + volleygun/hellgun

[shadow aurora]

I will commit atrocities

[oblique horizon]

Same, even tempestus look way too cool to pass up

[forest blaze]

Haha just dodge

[golden nacelle]

thoughts?

infested to flak for sure

[placid portal]

.... more considering the part of killing them in the first 3 shots.

[woeful ibex]

@oblique horizon datamined within the files and sadly the armor is reskin from cadian vox operator with the exception of the helmet
@versed merlin not sure if its thursday because fatshark released rogue trader skin friday last week

[sharp ember]

a dead sniper is sweet anodyne to 25+ rounds spent gyrostabilizing my graia

[woeful ibex]

so expect usual time

11:00-12:00 PM Swedish time for new skins

or

[sharp ember]

i actually take exe stance sometimes to soup up my accuracy for shredding infantry

[woeful ibex]

i think it was 6-7 pm swedish time for skin rotation

[placid portal]

Personally I am agripinaa gamer

[sharp ember]

it’s like old-school counterfire vet

[mortal shore]

I gotta say.

Despite how crummy and improvised my setup was. Playing Melee Veteran was an oddly therapeutic experience; I just dumped my revolver at the start of the match and then ran yelling and screaming, chainsword first, at anything and everything that moved.

[ancient path]

is this new veteran stuff?

[shadow aurora]

Yep

[ancient path]

fatshark actually released a good veteran mog?

nice.

[shadow aurora]

Yeah those helmets are awesome

[oblique horizon]

Not yet but soon

[shadow aurora]

Armor is pretty meh

[oblique horizon]

I think itll look great with some heavy gun. LIKE HELLGUN FOR EXAMPLE WHEN THEY FINALLY GIVE IT TO US

[shadow aurora]

I want my stubba vet equivalent

[oblique horizon]

Same

[shadow aurora]

Or laser shotgun

[sharp ember]

yeah i only want to use that fit with las or plasma

[oblique horizon]

Honestly, ive said it on reddit. Veteran needs some specialized form of horde clear in ranged department, hes the only class who doesnt have it

[shadow aurora]

Always got good ol reliable lawbringer

[woeful ibex]

@ancient path Biggest issue is the armor is from Cadian Vox Operator. Armor doesnt look like Scion Armor

[terse idol]

This does look closer to bottom right but I get ya

[mortal shore]

Yeah, that's rough the chestplate and shoulders are nothing like the actual scions armour. Which is a crying shame 'cause they're super cool aesthetically.

[woeful ibex]

kasrkins man

We got Dax karakin stealing from General Sternn

[limber egret]

i got a nice lasgun

[woeful ibex]

NICE

[limber egret]

now i just need to upgrade it

[inland orchid]

What a beauty

[limber egret]

hoping for actual good perks and blessings

[shadow aurora]

Mmm yes this needs sprint efficiency AND poxwalker damage

[limber egret]

also with fully loaded talent

i have 1100 ammo reverse

ammo for days

ok the perk is good

blessing not so much

or doesnt seem good atleast

[orchid hollow]

blessing seems ok for one tapping stuff

idk what u would one tap though with mg 4

i guess you kill rager in like one less shot

[mortal shore]

Actually, a question; when fishing for a 'perfect' weapon should you stop upgrading at blue if it turns out crummy or go all the way to orange?

[inland orchid]

Depends how much u are willing to give up plasteel wise when going to orange

[terse idol]

It's not good

[woeful ibex]

Any chance they mess up Kasrkins too

[terse idol]

Must get, Deadly Accurate, and surgical

[orchid hollow]

it sounds ok on paper u get the damage + rend

[terse idol]

Gotta curb your expectations

[orchid hollow]

but yeah those are better picks

[terse idol]

like I dunno chief the proportions we got are waay different

[muted knot]

should be banging right ?

[terse idol]

The scion armour looks fine

And it's part artist interpretation

This could be us as a tempstus too

[analog shoal]

hmm. we go cadia, catachan, krieg and armageddon. what we really need is vostroyan uniform

[terse idol]

Wouldn't mind an interpretation of this though

😌

[woeful ibex]

true

Jusut expect the worse

[terse idol]

What we got

Was pretty gooood

well...

Once it... actually comes out

[analog shoal]

i cannot see a scion uniform on a convict

[terse idol]

we got an interpretation

And I mean the inquisition employs their own scions

Come on yaall

[sharp ember]

good base stats, would at least change crit damage to Flak

Elites is probably serviceable

Speedload is fine if you’re willing to play around it

mowing down hostiles within 8m

which is Fire Frenzy/Deathspitter distance anyway

[idle dirge]

Best blessings for mk12 chainaxe?

[woeful ibex]

Slaugtherer and Thrust

[bold sierra]

tagging vets are a real pain sometimes, what's the deal with the SPAMS

👂 🩸

[quasi socket]

they heard on reddit they can bind "mark" to left click and thought "wow, my team will really appreciate this"

[bold sierra]

i stg

[delicate estuary]

-> exit mission, very simple solution

[versed merlin]

i interpret it as fear

fear of dying because they cant handle things on their own so they spam for teammates stop doing whatever the hell they are doing and help the poor soul out

still, i give 0 fucks for them, git gud or keep spamming

[quasi socket]

yeah but when they dive knee deep into horde every 3 seconds? fuck em

[mortal shore]

Hey so before I mess up a decent gun.

When you modify weapons via Hadron, can you keep changing out a modified property or does that count against the 2 modifications you get?

[terse idol]

Well as far as I can tell, it's for "information"

[cinder wing]

for grenadier builds which career skill works best?

[terse idol]

I ain't gonna rag on vets who tag spam it's just not good

[cinder wing]

infiltrate?

[hollow ibex]

if a property has been modified, you can modify it again as much as you want (with the typical mat costs)

it wouldn't count as a second modification

[mortal shore]

Score, thanks a bunch.

[hollow ibex]

prob voc still

since you're going to want shredders most likely if you're nade spamming

and the closest nade to infil is smoke

[cinder wing]

autopistols?

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/852669297611636749.webp?size=48&name=kekw&quality=lossless

[cinder wing]

I was gonna take a plasmagun lmao

[hollow ibex]

plasma is always good on pretty much any build lol

[zealous wyvern]

tbh we dont really have cadia yet

[brisk oxide]

i just run tag to buff my own damage, if i'm tagging something it's because i'm shooting it

[zealous wyvern]

not THE cadia uniform

[brisk oxide]

i don't really like the other keystones

i don't even really like tag either, the vet keystones are kinda lame

[zealous wyvern]

the struggle is real

[brisk oxide]

don't get me wrong, they're more playstyle defining than the ogryn ones which are very passive

but i just don't like the playstyle lol

[quasi socket]

weapon specialist is a safe bet for the game tbh, constantly swapping between melee/ranged to deal with horde management/specialist and elite units

[hollow ibex]

weapon spec is fun

[brisk oxide]

yeah i kinda thought so too but my current build i just never stop shooting

the mark X laspistol never runs out of ammo for me

[hollow ibex]

could just invest one point into tag and grab anything else you like then

could prob even do no keystone

[brisk oxide]

that's basically what i'm doing

[brisk oxide]

just taking tag

[willow grove]

Good plasma gun or is Thermal Resistance important?

[quasi socket]

good starting point, besides perk

[willow grove]

alright. Let's see if Hadron is nice today

[brisk oxide]

could be worse

[quasi socket]

change out 1st perk and impact, will work fine

[brisk oxide]

yeah

[willow grove]

gotta find a good blessing

[brisk oxide]

good plasma gun and power sword is my white whale currently

plasma is the only thing i've seen that can potentially surpass my laspistol

[quasi socket]

if you want iag, agri and columnus doin work still

got an ok roll on a columnus ive been runnin for a while, its fun but i generally go plasma

[brisk oxide]

the autoguns aren't bad, but nothing will kill as efficiently as the laspistol for me

running the crits don't use ammo talent plus the +25% crit talent and the thing has the fastest TTK and the most kills/%ammo

[empty root]

what is the point of the alt fire on power sword now?

[brisk oxide]

what do you mean?

it buffs damage and cleave right

[empty root]

like when would you activate it

[quasi socket]

mk 6, activate for light attack horde clear

[empty root]

it only lasts for one swing doesnt it?

it used to last for like 6 swings

[brisk oxide]

3 swings with blessing

[quasi socket]

power cycler is needed

[empty root]

k

[brisk oxide]

it's bad without power cycler

[empty root]

so if you dont have power cycler then its not a good weapon

[quasi socket]

power cycler 3 gives 2 swings, 4 gives 3 swings

[brisk oxide]

the MK6 seems decent with heavy attacks also

[empty root]

whats the diff between the two power swords

[quasi socket]

move set

like most melee, different mk variations effect the move set

[empty root]

the old power sword had heavy attack side to side horde clear right, how is the moveset different on the new one

[slender turtle]

rate my build for using bolter and Caxe

[quasi socket]

mk6 is tending to be the preferred version, horde clear/2 tap to crushers

[empty root]

I havent played vet since 2022

[quasi socket]

mk 6 is special to light attack x2 for horde clear

[brisk oxide]

i have a mk6 with power cycler 3 and it feels -almost- good, it's so sad

[quasi socket]

then block attack to light attack for crushers/maulers/ragers/mutants

[empty root]

assuming I don't have power cycler yet what are some good horde clear melee options as vet

[quasi socket]

i used the mk13 chainsword for a while

[brisk oxide]

MK13 chainsword rips

[quasi socket]

fast attacks w/ weapon specialist, decent horde clear

[brisk oxide]

i'm using it now

[sharp ember]

devil claws and chainswords are much less costly to build as horde clear weapons

[empty root]

how about sapper shovel?

[sick oak]

should I change elites or glory

[empty root]

dissassemble it and get a plasma gun

[sharp ember]

shovels are good too, they don't kill horde as fast but they keep you safe with good dodges and fast swings

the new shovels with the folding pickaxe attack are great

good anti-armor

[brisk oxide]

i got an insane shovel and i personally don't like it

[sick oak]

😭

[brisk oxide]

feels like a pool noodle vs hordes

but i use my melee weapons for hordes primarily and ranged for elites

[quasi socket]

if its the sapper shovel, its more horde management than horde clearing

[sharp ember]

i'm leaning towards change elites

[quasi socket]

think its heavy attack side to side to keeping them pushed tightly

[sharp ember]

either maniac or unyielding

[brisk oxide]

call me crazy, i would change carapace for flak

[sick oak]

I was thinking that too, to unyielding

glory isnt that bad

[brisk oxide]

imo +elites is actually underrated

[sharp ember]

elites needs big brain testing to prove it's actually helping you kill something in less shots

[brisk oxide]

true but it hits so many enemy types you're going to get some breakpoints in there

[sharp ember]

i believe plasma gun has a case where it helps

secures a couple 1-shots

[empty root]

when in doubt reperk for 25% flak

with a standard vet build and chainsword do you shoot bosses like plague ogryn or attack them in melee with chainsword rev attack

[quasi socket]

plasma - always shoot

[sharp ember]

chainsword if using bloodletter or if gun is trash at shooting bosses

chainsword with bloodletter and unyielding perk tears up bosses, but bleed was slightly nerfed so not as good as it used to

[quasi socket]

thing i hate as vet is if team mates dont tag enemies to help track them

[empty root]

you can always tag enemies yourself

[quasi socket]

i do, but i can only tag 1 thing at a time, if sniper is blasting from other side 100m away, kinda hard to make them out without the outline

[dusty sluice]

how is executioners stance revi?

[empty root]

I play vet like its my job to be tagging enemies not others

[quasi socket]

higher difficulty, its always off cd as long as you can keep killing ranged

[dusty sluice]

how woud you build it?

[quasi socket]

hyperbole inc: thats like playing ogryn with big grenade but never using it out of fear that "you might need it"

[slate sleet]

sedition gaming in here

[empty root]

thats kinda the whole point of the frag bomb is to save your team from near wipes

you only have one and cant regenerate it, I would rather have one and not use it than need one and not have it

[quasi socket]

i tend to run iag or helbore with it. can always go with tagging instead

[empty root]

but yes because of that, I prefer rocks over frag bomb because you can use them actively, not passively/reactively

[quasi socket]

but i always bring regen

[empty root]

you gotta let your team know that in gear selection screen because I never assume that vets take it

[slate sleet]

demo team is fucking terrible

[quasi socket]

i would rather a psyker bring the team bubble, but more and more often i dont see it, when its widely useful in a lot of maps imo

[tall torrent]

On its own? Yea
Working on top of demo stockpile? It’s great

[brisk oxide]

demo stockpile?

[quasi socket]

thats why any build i have with one, i use the other too

[slate sleet]

i never run out of grenades

[empty root]

probably depends on team comp, if you have a couple ogryns with frag bombs I assume that would be pretty good

[cerulean void]

why?

[dusty sluice]

ty lol

[brisk oxide]

oh right right. i only ever use stockpile alone

[slate sleet]

probably because i get one for free every minute and damnation has infinity ammo and grenade boxes everywhere

[empty root]

demo stockpile is a talent tax lol

[slate sleet]

if you want to toss nades get improvisation

[brisk oxide]

yeah demo stockpile is not optional

[slate sleet]

that way your medkits are useful

[empty root]

your not using it for yourself you are using it for your team

[cerulean void]

demo team literally gives nades to the entire squad tho

[slate sleet]

on top of free grenade refill

[empty root]

ogryn frag bomb is a screen wipe

[cerulean void]

it's free ZEALOT grenades, fuck vet nades

[brisk oxide]

it does? it doesn't really read that way

[slate sleet]

the ogryn i play with uses rocks and my psyker does not care

[brisk oxide]

imo krak is good

[limber egret]

hey question is the 20% damage resistence against gunners perk for dreg and scab gunners only or is it range units in general?

[empty root]

gunner specialists only

[brisk oxide]

does it include shotgunners?

[empty root]

no

[brisk oxide]

i was wondering that since there's no shotgunners perk

got it

[limber egret]

oh ok

[empty root]

only the guys with the machine guns

[slate sleet]

resists on curios are a big meme

barely does anything

[empty root]

I agree, I prefer generalist stats over special cases

I could see a use case for having a set of specific curios for specific special game modes

but I am not autistic enough for that

[slate sleet]

they would be fine if they actually made a meaningful difference

the only resist curio stat that is actually ok is corruption

you will notice it a little bit

all the other ones are like a 10% actual dmg reduction or something

[junior needle]

Gunner resist is pretty good for general use

[sharp ember]

it affects reapers in addition to machinegun elites

[limber egret]

oh ok thanks for info

[sharp ember]

pretty nice with how common all those heavy gunners are

[tall torrent]

gunner & sniper resist can save u

Corruption resist is nice

Other resistances are meh imo

[sharp ember]

yeah

sums up resistance perks

[crude ermine]

You typically want gunners or snipers above all else besides maybe toughness and health plus 5

[slate sleet]

i bet not a single person here has 10% revive speed here

[tall torrent]

Revive speed is also fine

[orchid hollow]

I running 50% revive speed 🦖

[sharp ember]

maybe if it was 10% rescue speed and not only revives

usually don't need the extra speed if i secure the area with grenades or a good teammate helps

[inland orchid]

Glances at all my curios having tier 4 revive speed

[gritty dock]

I open the box and there's something like this. It's the first time I've encountered something like this. 😁

[inland orchid]

If clutch VoC revive is on cd a autorevive lite should work nicely

[crude ermine]

Why would I run revive speed when I can just pick em up normal speed

[copper barn]

Or just yell at them to get up

[tall torrent]

Block efficiency also helps with revives

[sharp ember]

oh yeah, normal shout ult is good at clearing the way too, don't even need the revive node unless it's an insanely hot revive

[inland orchid]

Cuz mutants and other thingys that like interrupting u at normal speed

[sharp ember]

or multiple downed people

[crude ermine]

I prefer the extra toughness

Plus I can shout at them and then get them up and they'll still have that toughness

[slate sleet]

shout revive is the biggest redditor trap in this game

[inland orchid]

Multi revives feel so clutch, mostly pulled them off during twins but I do got one moment outside the special assignment

[slate sleet]

its straight up bad

[inland orchid]

Glad I don’t use Reddit then

[teal abyss]

The extra cd hurts too much

[slate sleet]

let me make my shout cd insanely long so i can maybe revive someone once a game

also reduce my shout range on top

[inland orchid]

Once is crazy, just snag the nose that gives u 6 free seconds on specialist kill

Murder things, boom u got shout back

Nose? Node lol

[slate sleet]

cd talent + 12% cd from curios makes shouting nonstop basically

[copper barn]

I usually have the shout revive when playing in pubs.

Because let’s be fair there’s still a ton of chuckleheads.

Ended up reviving my entire party at a twins fight once because knife zealot shenanigans.

If you’re playing with a premade I can see the cool down being a turn off.

[golden nacelle]

I get the appeal of a revive, but putting a point there is so limiting

I dont think the drawbacks make up for it when you can put a point somewhere that doesnt have drawbacks

and I don't find that planning to play through a bad match with bad players is the way to go

I'd rather just reset and try again

[teal abyss]

For sure, like there’s definitely been 2 or 3 missions where I was the last alive and failed but would have easily clutched if I had shout revive but the less uptime for staggering crushers and getting you/your teammates out of tough spots definitely ain’t worth the one or two miracle saves you may get

[golden nacelle]

It's true that it can make for a clutch moment, but having that uptime on shout can prevent people going down in the first place

which is always preferable

[copper barn]

This is true

[inland orchid]

I made this bed via pressing the play button with pub lads, my ruling is we either kill them or they kill us

Autorevive got the ol double edged sword going for it but I’ve worked with worse

[copper barn]

Survival of the fittest.

[terse idol]

Shout revive but you revived them into fire

Or 6 crusher overheads

[golden nacelle]

hahaha. Also, I like to have faith in my fellows. We gonna crush

[terse idol]

😌

[inland orchid]

lol I’ve seen that happen a few times in pubs

[terse idol]

[inland orchid]

Hearts in the right place but timing is a bitch

[copper barn]

Chad veteran mindset.

[golden nacelle]

Chads will chad

Slay the mutant, burn the heretic

[empty root]

with shout, cant you just use the stagger and manual revive

[inland orchid]

I don’t consider myself a Chad but a few of my homies call my shots “fast” so I got that going for me

[golden nacelle]

Survival is recomended, but not required.

[terse idol]

Yeah

I mean it can be close

[empty root]

if that's the case the shout revive perk would seem like a trap

[slate sleet]

its bad

[golden nacelle]

ive got revive speed on curios, so usually a shout is enough time

[terse idol]

It is a trap

[slate sleet]

only time its not bad is if reddit mc fart goes down on the ledge you cant get back up to

[terse idol]

Because the current meta is just to kill specs to get your cooldown back asap

[copper barn]

I’ve gotten my shit kicked in like a second after using shout for a revive lol.

Sometimes it’s not meant to be.

[empty root]

the ability recharge stim is really powerful with shout

[sharp ember]

just don't hold onto your revive until someone goes down

overshield them at the start of a fight

[hybrid barn]

I kinda feel like I'm torturing myself but does anyone have some advices on how to make this one less painful?

[gilded wraith]

Kantrael flame ammo, once you run out of ammo melee only.

[radiant plank]

i used revolver for it, wasn't having any luck with the shotgun for some reason

[hybrid barn]

Also the thing is that I don't wanna become a burden for my teammates or else I would feel like a dumb bastard

[ebon umbra]

i used the plasma

[radiant plank]

you can still contribute a lot with melee and grenades, but if you're gonna be picking up ammo and still using your gun you'd better place your shots really well

[slender turtle]

I dont know if the cheese still works

[terse idol]

Iirc you may have to hit every pellet, shotgun is gonna be really hard

Revolver is aloooot easier

[slender turtle]

Being up close to everything, you can get away with using the revolver. Just dont miss a lot and be ready to contrubute with melee

[terse idol]

Then get a pre-made together

Ask around lfg here too, I'm sure there's folks willing to help

[inland orchid]

If I wasn’t on a road trip I would’ve loved to help with that

Is the only vet penance I’m missing

actually shit im lying I still need to do the multikill on volleyfire thing

[slender turtle]

Just watched a mutant take an ogryn and throw them off a cliff. i didnt think they would actually do so

[brisk oxide]

i haven't seen it happen yet

[inland orchid]

Ya were usually very lucky with mutant tosses

[brisk oxide]

did see a plague ogryn fall off a cliff yesterday though

[terse idol]

It happens sometimes its a bug

Theyre not supposed to

[kindred stump]

Eyyyy

[fossil basalt]

It's when they path their toss later in the level geometry, usually

[umbral scaffold]

The Vraks Headhunter is surprisingly good for Veteran. I was able to take down entire hordes with it. Despite its semi auto and low mag count. It’s surprisingly slaps. It’s like what I expected the Jakobs rifles to be in BL2. Those damn assault rifles boast high accuracy and damage but I can’t hit shit and I have to reload at least 2 or more times to take down a single enemy. That’s why when I ever got one even if it was better than the gun I had I just sold it. They were that shit.

[viral nacelle]

Indeed it slaps hard with dead shot and some decent aim. Even better you can spend most of your points in mid/left lower for big melee energy and still have a very effective marksman who can headshot all the things

[umbral scaffold]

I had a vraks that just one or two shot everything it saw

And that was without the special ability active

[wraith locust]

damage dump stat 😭

[brisk oxide]

hey on the other hand if you don't miss any important breakpoints then it is a dump stat

unlike the low damage/shot weapons

[kindred stump]

I know, but oh well

I just use the plasma gun anyways so...

[brisk oxide]

yeah the boltgun is a bit mid

[kindred stump]

The reload just makes it worse than the plasma gun for me

as fun as the bolter is

[tall torrent]

Heresy Karnak twins, use mk2 revolver, pick up zero ammo and don’t use survivalist, shoot Rodin (gun) shield, melee till end

[inland orchid]

noting this down

[umbral garnet]

If you go into any mission with a revolver and just dump your ammo with each shot hit, it worked for me.

Even with survivalist.

Just don't swap back from melee to ranged.

Ever, lol

Even with the ammo I got back from survivalist, the penance counted.

[brisk oxide]

am i crazy or does it seem not that hard

you just have to make sure your ammo is low by the end and then fight at the exfil if you need to

[umbral garnet]

Wasn't that hard when I realised revolvers existed.

I was slightly daft trying to use other weapons.

Slightly.

[brisk oxide]

yeah that or plasma

[ebon umbra]

remove the safety on the bolter

[sharp ember]

https://youtu.be/USqqWelU208 oh my god fatshark what is this

[terse idol]

Plasma just has alot of ammo

But its a good option too

[terse idol]

Chridmas

[ebon umbra]

since plasma has been brought up

why do vets hate plasma? maybe im strawmanning but i dont see other classes complain about it

[brisk oxide]

i like plasma

[inland orchid]

I also like plasma

[ebon umbra]

i def think it needs a quick shot nerf and some other things but lmao buff other things??

[sharp ember]

like the players or the characters

[ebon umbra]

LOL players

TOO HOT

TOO HOT

[brisk oxide]

you think it's too strong?

[ebon umbra]

i mean i love the gun so im trying to not be biased

ive been using it since jan

[brisk oxide]

i actually havent used it much since hitting 30 since i can't find a good one

[ebon umbra]

i try to pry away but i keep coming back

[brisk oxide]

does it have much penetration into targets behind?

[terse idol]

Its like a meta weapon

[umbral scaffold]

probably the easiest vet weapon to use

[sharp ember]

plasma is definitely a top dog gun, but our useable weapon roster is so well-rounded now that it isn't overbearing

[umbral scaffold]

it’s basically turns elites and specials into butter especially on higher difficulty

just point and shoot and everything dies

[terse idol]

if I'm playing devils advocate, plasma is maybe hated on because we want to see other weapons perform well

[brisk oxide]

the only weapon i've liked as much as plasma is the Mark X laspistol, only thing that can outdamage it

[terse idol]

Revolver

[brisk oxide]

oh yeah i love the revolver too, forgot about that

[terse idol]

[ebon umbra]

i just wish there wasnt a mentality of nerfing things so other things can do better

in reality dps wont increase and vet will be left worse off

[terse idol]

Its a tough balance

[brisk oxide]

imo nerfs/buffs should be smaller and more frequent

[terse idol]

I'm sure FS has to put out the update packs because of Crossplatform

[brisk oxide]

yeah, nothing to be done there. but you could maybe iterate on PC and then release it on console after a few

oh wait cross platform

[terse idol]

Dunno if it that'd work, because of crossplay

Yeah

Its because how different steam updates and xbox

[brisk oxide]

yeah and console releases are harder to push

[hybrid barn]

Just tried to do the challange with crazed up german randoms eventhough I missed the shoots with the shotgun it was funny as hell.

[hybrid barn]

Now imma try this

[tall torrent]

you have 52+5 shots, make sure u hit at least 52

[hybrid barn]

If I regenerate ammo do I have to deplete them aswell?

Or just not swap back at all

[brisk oxide]

could just take the most melee of melee builds into any heresy mission and then figure out whichever weapon empties its ammo the fastest and drop it all into ogryns/bosses/hordes

then swap to sword

[muted gorge]

if i wanna fuck shit up as hard as possible with an automatic weapon what would yall recommend

[strange sparrow]

Columnus

[wraith locust]

^^^^

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah it’s like a Assault Rifle LMG

[muted gorge]

braced or infantry?

[umbral scaffold]

Spray and pray

[wraith locust]

iag

[strange sparrow]

Can I ask, Which Catachan Devil Sword is better

[muted gorge]

ty

[strange sparrow]

for horde clearing

[slender turtle]

Do you actually get 80% damage reduction with exhil takedown and hunter's resolve? or is there a hard cap on reduction?

cause i am tanky with all of them active, i can take a full on crusher smash and not go down as a melee vet. No shout needed

[junior needle]

Pretty sure ciag has the highest automatic damage in the game

Finesse weapon btw

[wraith locust]

It’s just old shredder reborn

[junior needle]

And then you have headshots in the mix

[brisk oxide]

yeah i was running something like that before

iirc you can get 100% damage reduction

i don't remember if it actually was 100% but it felt like it

[junior needle]

DR is multiplicative

[brisk oxide]

it is? ah okay

so it's actually better than it looks

[junior needle]

Games typically don't allow you to have additive DR, because if they're careless you reduce damage to trivial amounts

No, multiplicative reduction means it's worse than additive

[brisk oxide]

oh, right right, i was multiplying up, not down

1.15x1.15 is different from 0.85x0.85

[slender turtle]

hmm. I just been enjoying being able to just be tanky and make the zealot infected with MC syndrome take riskier plays just to stay ahead of me in one game just cause i was able to keep with them

[brisk oxide]

well all i know is that with full DR active you feel super tough

[junior needle]

It's still a big difference, but you won't be reaching 100%

[brisk oxide]

and with that build you obv want to stack as much toughness as possible since the first 25% of your toughness is the most valueable

[muted gorge]

as a zealot main, if i see the veteran getting rushy, i take it as a challenge to see if you can keep up with my rushy

its fun for the whole team!

[ebon umbra]

this is how i feel when i play with rushy zealots

[hearty kernel]

Anyone got a Veteran build thats good for Damnation i can nick

[ebon umbra]

i am right behind u shouty

[hearty kernel]

cheers

[junior needle]

Highly depends on what weapons you want to use

Or have available currently

[midnight totem]

excellent

[hearty kernel]

whats the general meta i suppose

dont wanna use bolt or plasma so

[midnight totem]

just got the no health damage from enemy melee penance

in a regular damnnation run too

[junior needle]

Bolter is old and busted currently, plasma is a meta gun but very difficult to craft a good one.

[south garnet]

Meta is no talent options knife special only

[junior needle]

CIAG is insanely good, but most weapons are performing well enough

So you have a variety to choose from that you enjoy. Recon lasguns and the autopistol are currently in the dumpster however.

[brisk oxide]

recon lasgun is -okay- with the right build

and probably a mod to improve the sights

[hearty kernel]

so just autogun then

[terse idol]

Uh

I'm not gonna stop anyone from making it

But

[brisk oxide]

you can get a recon to have very acceptable damage, comparable to the autogun

[terse idol]

You can't even "right build" recon

[junior needle]

It should be noted that the "right build" makes it go from absolute dog to at least somewhat acceptable

[terse idol]

That's how bad it is

Well yeah

[junior needle]

While the right build makes a good gun go from good to amazing

[sharp ember]

recon can clear shooters at a fair pace but thats about it

[hearty kernel]

i wouldn't mind using a lasgun but i want one thats kinda faster firing

[brisk oxide]

it's not gonna be as good as plasma or laspistol or something

[sharp ember]

i'm in a weird state where i think mk2 recon is doing better than mk6 because of better ADM

[brisk oxide]

ADM?

[hearty kernel]

what about current lasguns any of them faster firing?

[sharp ember]

armor damage modifier

[junior needle]

mk2 has the worst dps by far

[hearty kernel]

the one i tried was hella slow

[terse idol]

Its unfortunately not gonna be be better than even, any of the iags, or braced rifles

[sharp ember]

better damage per bullet against armor, so it doesn't run out as fast

[brisk oxide]

i got one to beat the braced rifles

[sharp ember]

just don't waste your time shooting anything chunkier than a heavy gunner unless that's your only option

[junior needle]

Onslaught normalizes the performance of the guns, so the base dps disparity shows a lot more.

But here's max damage talentless gray mk2

[sharp ember]

oh right, onslaught

[terse idol]

I find that hars to believe saddly

[junior needle]

You should be running double rending with any recon setup

But the damage and ammo efficiency are still quite lacking regardless

[brisk oxide]

running the crit stacking headshot blessing and all the rending stuff, and the +25% crit talent

it did

[sharp ember]

when backpack volleyguns come, nobody shall remember the recon

[hearty kernel]

guess ill look online for builds; thanks anyway

[wooden lotus]

accatran double rending crit has too much opportunity cost

but it is fun if you wanna make it work ig

even though columnus is stronger imo

[brisk oxide]

can easily get 2k dps i'm pretty sure with the recon

into flak

that said i still don't like to use it

[terse idol]

They significantly nerfed the crit chain you can do with the recon

Like patches ago

[brisk oxide]

well i can't hit headshots for shit with it anyway

the sights suck

[sharp ember]

-1 crit string size AND doesn't entirely work with Shocktrooper

[terse idol]

But wait that's where it struggles the most

[wooden lotus]

yeah if you wanna do what accatran did then run columnus

[sharp ember]

yeah just use literally any infantry autogun

for better results

[wooden lotus]

you still want rending ofc but its less points for more bang

[brisk oxide]

i'm gonna plug the laspistol again though, the mark X at least has disgusting DPS

[wooden lotus]

whats sad is that its also still more efficient even with laser crit node

[brisk oxide]

beats anything i've used barring the plasma gun

[junior needle]

Depends on what you're taking. If you take temporary power boosts and other damage cheaters like marksman and the tag keystone you can, but you'd be way better off with another gun.

[brisk oxide]

yeah i think you have to invest too much into the recon for it to be worthwhile

[junior needle]

It'd be one thing if it went from bad to amazing with the right investment

But it goes from bad to "ok but clearly inferior"

[brisk oxide]

with the mark X laspistol i can kill the mauler and the two gunners next to him in order for a total of 12 times doing only body shots

before reloading

with crits, you one shot the gunners often

and that's including wasted shots on double taps into a dead guy

[zealous wyvern]

lmao

that is painful

time to bring this into auric

[junior needle]

The other models aren't much better baseline. 6d has the most synergy with onslaught and has the highest base dps if you compensate for its shit modifiers.

But it's still not "good"

[umbral scaffold]

Vet mains here doing PhD in imperial weaponry

[tiny summit]

Have you compared them at different ranges?

[zealous wyvern]

hmm

[brisk oxide]

VId is the one i've been using

[sharp ember]

they fear just making them laser IAGs

they really want the cost for low recoil to be steep

[junior needle]

They all have normal falloff now so the difference should be minimal, especially with double rending (rending counters falloff)

All they have to do is keep the weakspot mods low, they don't need to absolutely gut the whole dps/ammo economy of the weapons

Or if it's gonna have lower dps, give it more ammo

[tiny summit]

Because I'm not saying the recons are good it's that they are in fact different niches as weapons beyond high rpm. Recon is sustained low recoil that's obviously meant for at longer ranges while the columnus is like an smg.

[brisk oxide]

columnus still feels pretty accurate though

[tiny summit]

For the average person, the recoil is likely not friendly

[brisk oxide]

yeah but you can pop a sniper with it

[junior needle]

The trick is knowing that moving while firing the IAG's goofs your recoil more

[umbral scaffold]

I just wish it did more damage well the ones I get

[brisk oxide]

which is the only thing that really scares me about lacking long range accuracy

[terse idol]

But then

[tiny summit]

You can, recon also doesn't need any manipulation at all

[terse idol]

You just take a regular lasgun

[junior needle]

But both the graia and agri IAG have considerably better usability for long ranges AND have considerably better dps than recons

[brisk oxide]

personally i can't make the regular lasgun work even though i want it to

[terse idol]

Recon doesn't even have ammo econ

[brisk oxide]

the dps just seems bad

[terse idol]

With that talent

[terse idol]

Somehow better still than the aforementioned weapon

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah the auto guns always seem to be more powerful than the las weapons

[brisk oxide]

i'm actually not even sure if it is, in my testing the recon and the other lasguns have similar DPS

[umbral scaffold]

Which I don’t mind

[muted gorge]

me likey the Columnus IAG

[umbral scaffold]

I find bullets cooler

[junior needle]

I don't know what's going with the fatshark balance team, they've left recons in the dumpster for over a year now. The 6d was accidentally good for one patch and that's it.

[muted gorge]

I like to kill heretics by giving them a lead overdose, what can i say

[junior needle]

At least the other shit weapons finally got buffed

[terse idol]

Deadly accurate surgical will likely destroy it

[slender turtle]

mutant kill waiting room

[brisk oxide]

yeah probably i need good blessings

[terse idol]

He's getting a back scratch

😌

[ebon umbra]

what material do autoguns fire?

[umbral scaffold]

The Agripinna is just a basic assault rifle. Good fire rate, and range. With standard mag size

[tiny summit]

I'm not arguing that the recons arent shit but there's definitely more to balancing them over the dps battle. Recons are non existant recoil, works with shock trooper (definitely shit how it works this patch), and has different blessings.

This is not me gassing up the recons.

[terse idol]

Boolets

[slender turtle]

recon las guns got the absolute shaft. Why did fatshark do this

[terse idol]

Lead

[junior needle]

k12 has low overall dps with the benefit of high single shot damage for one shot potential. If you're testing the k12 exclusively, and especially against flak, the damage is going to look poor.

Also keep in mind that most other lasguns have inverted falloff, so if you don't account for that you're skewing results.

[brisk oxide]

yeah i've been using the middle lasgun

inverted falloff?

[umbral scaffold]

Rage in metal form

[terse idol]

Oh no for sure, but I just wish maybe they didn't need the variation

[junior needle]

Instead of going high to low based on distance, it starts low and goes higher as you get further away.

[brisk oxide]

wtf

[ebon umbra]

autoguns are literally just guns

[terse idol]

Even for having no recoil it has abit of variation in the pattern iirc

[ebon umbra]

[junior needle]

So if you're shooting at point blank with both, you're using a worst case scenario for the infantry lasguns

[brisk oxide]

has anyone done a chart or something showing the scaling over distance?

[junior needle]

vs best case for recon

All the weapons are different, but you can check it on all types for guns with stopping power. Recons are not clearly communicated there.

[tall torrent]

Infantry lasguns have higher damage the further away you are from an enemy

Helbore lasguns have <100% damage at close range, but increases to normal 100% at around 15m I think?

All Recon lasguns and both heavy laspistols have regular damage falloff over range

[hearty kernel]

Anyone got a shout or stance build i can copy; cheers.

[brisk oxide]

is deadly accurate+headhunter the go to lasgun setup?

[tall torrent]

For infantry lasguns I’d say yes

[brisk oxide]

okay cool

[junior needle]

Generally speaking yes, for the 1a and k12 at least

It's less effective on the 4 for practical reasons

[ebon umbra]

any hellbore mains still here? havent heard a peep in awhile

[tall torrent]

I use HB2

[brisk oxide]

i was using the HB2 for a while, but got sick of charging

the damage is good

[slender turtle]

Shotguns? I didnt think anyone used projectile weapons anymore

[ebon umbra]

dang lizards and their slugthrowers

[tall torrent]

HB2 and Laspistol2 are prob my fav lasguns rn

[slender turtle]

Hmm. An energy weapon that looks like a slug-thrower. didnt think lizards were that nostalgic

[ebon umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-one-good-job-nice-great-job-okay-gif-18276245

its weird that i see shotties more than hb, laspistols and colums in pubs

maybe just rnj

[slender turtle]

Cause shotguns are fun

[ebon umbra]

fair

ever since twins i have seen a crazy amount of plasma. b4 i saw them decently often

but post twins plasma is everywhere

[ebon umbra]

i like this answer

[hybrid barn]

Holy shit guys I completed the challenge

I'm free

Now I can play for real

[tall torrent]

My issue with laspistol is just that it needs something like this to feel good and that’s a massive point investment

[ebon umbra]

wooooooooo!

[hybrid barn]

Thx for the advices btw

[umbral scaffold]

I still prefer the Vrakks which makes sense because it’s a DMR which is great for a class that’s specifically designed for range combat and support. I killed Plague Ogryns so fast with it,

[tall torrent]

Congrats!

[ebon umbra]

plasma for bosses is kinda a trap imo

[tall torrent]

U did it in Karnak?

[ebon umbra]

easy way to lose all ur ammo

[umbral scaffold]

The shit I could pull off with a headhunter was insane

[hybrid barn]

Nah random assassination mission with randoms. Used the revolver

[tall torrent]

Ah ok

[hybrid barn]

Phewww

[slender turtle]

havent used a headhunter in a long while

[hybrid barn]

So is this setup "good" for being a sorta assault trooper?

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah braced auto guns are less for accuracy and more for crowd control

If that’s what you’re going for

[hybrid barn]

Yeah sorta pushing it and spray and pray

[tall torrent]

I don’t recommend exhilarating takedown with braced autoguns

Take confirmed kill instead

Save the points

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah I prefer the guns where I can aim down sights

[tall torrent]

I also don’t recommend the revive passive for VoC

Just not that great rn

[umbral scaffold]

Good luck hitting a sniper with a braced auto gun

I tried

[tall torrent]

I also don’t recommend suppression immunity with braced autoguns because suppression basically does not matter for braced autoguns

[slender turtle]

One of these 77 shots will land

[tall torrent]

Iron will is strong, take it

You also want at least one of the stamina regen delay reduction nodes (bottom left & bottom right)

I don’t think you need the extra grenade either but it’s alright

[umbral scaffold]

You can take down hordes just as fast with a Vraks but your finger is going to get a workout

[ebon umbra]

anyone not go ironwill on a non voc build?

[umbral scaffold]

Also I don’t know if it’s a perk I have but quick reload helps a lot

[slender turtle]

If you want a tanky assault playstyle that can pop in and out of combat:

[cloud leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-more-bullets-ai-niid-mor-boolets-booolets-boolets-gif-1193035226529952415

[opal loom]

plasma gun looking good

[slender turtle]

I would go smokes but only the devs know how they work

[ebon umbra]

when zealot inevitably gets the plasma pistol

[brisk oxide]

i just assumed smokes were there for RP reasons

[fair epoch]

Is Rending strikes worth it at all for revolver or not really

[tall torrent]

They’re niche but not useless

[tall torrent]

Not needed

[hybrid barn]

Also what other veteran build are worth looking into? Plus which melee weapon is the best for any play style?

[opal loom]

combat knife if you can use it well. Power sword for braindead swinging

Chain axe is fun too

and shovel is a classic.