ive been doing blue only and honestly its ass
#veteran-class
neat sluice
frozen meadow
I started using plasma gun which I never did before and it is crazy good
fresh mango
Both blessings were granted by the kindness of hadron
frozen meadow
I understand why bolter gets left behind now
versed merlin
plasteel is easier to get if you put it against your chances of getting a good weapon for a blessing farm
spark helm
If you're fishing for something solid enough for blessing rng it's worth a try.
fresh mango
(im never getting lucky again)
sonic skiff
is it powerr cycler bm for powersword
neat sluice
goddamn
fresh mango
wdym bm
versed merlin
versed merlin
finesse is not a dump stat
fresh mango
oof
versed merlin
i usually dump damage
fresh mango
damage isnt a dump stat either
versed merlin
im joking
fresh mango
frozen meadow
Poor ogryn brain
versed merlin
mortal shore
Uh, hey, dunnoe if it's kosher to ask this here but.
I recently moved up to doing Heresy as my main difficulty and I wanna go for the only Veteran Penance I am missing - 90% Accuracy and no ammo remaining, can anyone point me to a build/loadout that'd help with achieving that?
frozen meadow
Use revolver
fresh mango
bolter, mag dump into boss, gg
frozen meadow
Be glad it got nerfed from 100% too lol
final locust
bruh
frozen meadow
That was pain
final locust
that special assignment
fresh mango
run Psword for rest of mission
final locust
they get you so quick on the boss fight
mortal shore
I guess I can try and put together a powersword, which mk should I go for?
midnight mortar
I guess I can try and put together a powersword, which mk should I go for?
Mk6 is preferred.
final locust
my build is not melee and I got instantly swarmed
fresh mango
3 requires heavies for horde clear, 6 uses lights
final locust
so I went down pretty quick
frozen meadow
If you go down, it is extremely hard to get them up
fresh mango
it can boil down to prefeence
midnight mortar
Yeah I tried, as I say
Yeah the Twins fight will demand that everyone have a build capable of quickly dispatching elites in melee and handling hordes.
final locust
Yeah I guess
midnight mortar
The mk6 is typically preferred also because it has a special push attack into light combo.
That allows you to 2 hit crushers to the head.
final locust
woulda thought they'd make a mission that works for melee and ranged
midnight mortar
The mk3 doesn't have the same followup combo sadly.
final locust
rather than force a playstyle but oh well lmao
ye
i dont have a melee build at all
frozen meadow
Nah I like it because you actively have to think how to beat it using strategies, unlike rest of the game where you can run basically any build and be fine
mortal shore
Got it. Uh. While we're at it, could I trouble anyone here to help me put together a talent set up for this, just so I got it done ahead of time.
delicate rivet
Raid mechanics in my Tide game?!
final locust
unheard of bro
leave that crap to destiny 2 bro
that already takes my time up lmao
nah fr though
i just wanna shoot my gun and throw nades with a bit of difficulty in there
delicate rivet
Nah i feel u
final locust
difficulty 3 is too easy it gets boring sometimes, so diff 4 is where I like to sit
delicate rivet
Diff3 HiEn/STG is my jam
final locust
diff 3's difficulty really depends on the mission i think
like, diff 3 maelstrom is weirdly easy
easier than any other diff 3 missions
lusty jewel
final locust
Diff3 HiEn/STG is my jam
but yeah, dont like being forced into using 1 playstyle for a game like darktide, i liked that one map that had a decently sized room to fight the boss and allowed for ranged and melee
call it a skill issue
terse idol
Got it. Uh. While we're at it, could I trouble anyone here to help me put togeth...
I will say, because of how many Vets are running around
It'll be infinitely easier with a premade
delicate rivet
but yeah, dont like being forced into using 1 playstyle for a game like darktide...
Assassination?
terse idol
Because everyone runs survivalist
final locust
Assassination?
yeah
terse idol
I would say
Just take a revolver
Your melee is whatever
Whats important is that you uh, try to use your ammo early and hit every shot and have a team where nobody runs survivalist
And it's not too bad
final locust
I used a braced auto but sure
terse idol
Run what melee you're comfortable with
delicate rivet
I will Karnak Twins is more about team composition than individual builds IMO
final locust
I have a decent powersword
whenever I wanna dedicate myself to melee I will just swap to my zealot
and use a big chainsword or whatever
also, it'd be cool if veteran got a big powersword
2 handed thing
delicate rivet
I want Melta
More variants of Bolter/Plasma too
Weird how we only got 1 variant for them
Meanwhile theres so many lasguns
quasi socket
bolter pistol w/ ps off hand
terse idol
I'm gonna be real chief
I have a sneaking suspicion
That melta is gonna be zealot
And we're gonna get long las
Lang even
sterile hull
Am I going crazy or is the agripinaa braced autogun not in brunts armoury for the veteran?
EDIT: You can scroll I am dumb
static lotus
Sniper bolt carabine when fatshark
static lotus
I know bhrams hiding it somewhere
frozen meadow
I swear to nut if zealot gets the sniper
versed merlin
what sniper rifle?
crude ermine
A sniper similar to the scab snipers
sonic skiff
ah ok
psword good when no melee buffs
dclaw is good with melee buffs
felt alot better in melee on exe stance vet
terse idol
felt alot better in melee on exe stance vet
Huh?
Exe stance applies to melee?
sonic skiff
Huh?
Exe stance applies to melee?
no, my survivability was real shit on exe stance vet with dclaw
with p sword its alot better
terse idol
Oh
That's weird, I mean, I'm a Delclaw main
But I also haven't touched psword
I found dclaw just to give you alot of defensive options that I don't think the psword has
Parry is so hard to leave
What blessings do you have on your Dclaw?
sonic skiff
might be because with deadshot revolver build, exe stance included low stamina can really fuck you over if u get surrounded
rampage/shred
terse idol
Oh no yeah I can see that
sonic skiff
also 0 melee buffs in the tree with that build
terse idol
I mean, you're probably better off running weapon spec and revolver no?
I didnt feel like Dclaw needed buffs imo
sonic skiff
i have that for shout build with wep spec and dclaw
terse idol
I mean melee buffs
sonic skiff
but exe stance new revolver is my high noon build lmfao
sonic skiff
it can melt crushers and bosses
terse idol
I was hesitant to use revolver with exe but with new revolver and a speed loader that sounds like it slaps
sonic skiff
but if no one keeps chaff off and u run out of stamina with deadshot u can just get stunlocked to death
sonic skiff
i actually dont have speedload lol
deadshot is insane for new revolver
+3 stamina curio makes it insane
static lotus
psword good when no melee buffs
It benefits from attack speed. Activating those sparkles 0.5s faster 🤙🤙🤙
midnight totem
manic over carapace on my IAG right?
terse idol
i actually dont have speedload lol
Oh I mean the speedloader on the new revolver 
sonic skiff
ahhhhh
terse idol
That's what made old revolver so clunky with exe stance
Kill 5 gunners reload twice
Shoot to keep your cooldown reset
tall torrent
Hadron has delivered peak upon me
robust mesa
yall ever get blackscreens at game end and the game just never ends
ionic hull
if you had to pick one would you guys rather pick up Onslaught or Rending Strikes in the skill tree?
slender turtle
Hadron has delivered peak upon me
Tbh, I prefer the raking fire on mine instead of infernus
junior grail
How is the new Chaxe on Vet?
junior grail
Don't the lights feel a bit weak?
hollow ibex
🤔
i haven't really felt that as an issue
i just use it for horde clear
and it does perfectly fine
junior grail
I haven't built mine yet but I assume Headtaker and Slaughterer
hollow ibex
i'm using headtaker and bloodletter, which prob isn't optimal but bloodletter is fun
elder vessel
Don't the lights feel a bit weak?
They sound weak
placid portal
New chainaxe lights do ok vs hoarde
elder vessel
The sound design sucks
placid portal
Ye
elder vessel
Sounds like a club not a chainsaw axe
placid portal
Metal shovel hitting gaming
upbeat notch
Karnak hard mode with plasma vet, with blaze away and gets hit, do you guys just spam light shots or do you guys actually charge for crushers
placid portal
Spam do be alright
elder vessel
We charge in this household
upbeat notch
Cause its implied with blaze away youre just supposed to spam but crushers take like 4 shots
elder vessel
Its simply better
terse idol
Karnak hard mode with plasma vet, with blaze away and gets hit, do you guys just...
If you already minmaxxed your pgun, it should do fine if you light spam crushers.
In the head
You want headshots
upbeat notch
this is what im working with, so far from min maxxed i wish i could do better but ya boi outta PLAS
useable but subpar at best, im thinking i might be better off with charge shots until i can get a better one
terse idol
Yeah dats okie
I mean, better is tough
Like, can you two shot charged shot a crusher, compare that with how fast you can take it down with left click spam
tall torrent
Tbh, I prefer the raking fire on mine instead of infernus
That’s fair, I don’t have raking fire IV yet and Infernus stacks dum dum for me
frail bolt
this worth it from melk?
tall torrent
this worth it from melk?
No
frail bolt
kk
shadow aurora
Wish we had a shotgun that relied less on special ammo
No crazy gimmick just a big powerful buckshot churner
tall torrent
No crazy gimmick just a big powerful buckshot churner
Both Agripinaa and Lawbringer are good in that
shadow aurora
Ah
tall torrent
U can still 1 tap elites & specials without slugs
Slugs just make it more consistent
shadow aurora
They do still sorta need special to be reliable
Lawbringer great at hordes with the wideshot and slugs are great at picking off priority targets
lost lake
Out of the auto gun variants what's the best one? And best blessings? Debating on spending some melbucks on one with Tier 4 Deadly accurate and headhunter
fading crag
why is one of the male characters so mad
dapper vessel
Those are the 2 best blessings for the Headhunter autoguns
shadow aurora
why is one of the male characters so mad
Cadian?
There grumpy there planet got blown up
fading crag
I can feel him spitting at me while he screams
the mic when recording mustve been covered by the end
dapper vessel
theyre both tier 4 though
shadow aurora
It has bad damage anyways dont bother
dapper vessel
I would grab that and just sacrifice one of the blessings
lost lake
Just gonna get it for the blessing
dapper vessel
Personally I would go with Deadly accurate first
lost lake
That's what I was thinking
tall torrent
Out of the auto gun variants what's the best one? And best blessings? Debating o...
Columnus Mk5 is the highest dps infantry autogun but has pretty harsh dropoff at mid-long range due to its erratic recoil
Graia Mk8 has the lowest recoil and great consistency across all ranges
Agripinaa Mk1 has the best damage breakpoints but high kick per shot
Vraks Mk3 is like infantry autogun but fires in 3 round bursts
Vraks Mk7 is a high damage DMR style weapon
Agripinaa Mk8 is generally considered the best braced autogun, but the other 2 aren’t bad rn either
sudden dome
I just wasted 200k coins to confirm that kant lasguns are worse than the ciag in everything but ammo efficency
Graia braced is the best weapon against close range ragers, your ammo lasts forever knocks them back and kills 5+ of both type before running out while doing 2k dps to both.
terse idol
I'm gonna say it
sudden dome
but it cant hit past 15 meters to literally save your life
terse idol
Columnus is better at close range
sudden dome
no its not, use the secondary fire graia was amazing before that and now it got another buff
its only upside is you sprint better
and you can hit at 15 meters but cant at 20
umbral scaffold
can anyone give me advice on what guns and build to use if I wanna focus on killing ranged enemies, but can't hit weakspots for shit? :p
viral nacelle
can anyone give me advice on what guns and build to use if I wanna focus on kill...
Kant 12
You’ll be useless but it’ll do what you want
umbral scaffold
wat
viral nacelle
Aiming would mean better options than the flashlights
umbral scaffold
what's the flashlight gotta do with this?
terse idol
what's the flashlight gotta do with this?
The lasgun is considered a flashlight
I mean
swift ingot
It’s the guns nickname in the lore
terse idol
My best advice is, try to hit headshots bettah
Other than that like
I dunno, go for the columnus, or a braced auto gun
swift ingot
Yeah, I can’t hit headshots all that consistently but I still do incredibly well with my mkX Laspistol
bitter turtle
can anyone give me advice on what guns and build to use if I wanna focus on kill...
plasma
no aim eneded
it magnetizes to weakpoints
disagree on bolter
if you want to be effective with bolter you need to aim
umbral scaffold
plasma all the way
I can aim, just not hit weakspot kills consistently enough
high damage with zero effort aside from overheat management
serene sage
Plasma is easiest to pick up
analog blaze
Plama definitely benefits from hitting headshots, but it isn't mandatory
But you should just work on hitting head shots
bitter turtle
it does benefit from weakpoint hits, but its also very forgiving
it prioritizes them over other body parts
if you want a forgiving weapon in terms of aim
i can think of few weapons more forgiving
and the ones i can think of are on other classes
analog blaze
No grenade launcher for vet is odd tbh.
But I guess I get it, since it's a secondary weapon
devout comet
What skills would you guys say is worthless on the talent tree?
Like should be removed levels of not worth using?
crude ermine
The one that gives you an extra grenade
bitter turtle
that one is good though
crude ermine
Compared to another certain grenade node is rather have 60 second CD, if I could grab both I could
umbral scaffold
depends what youre playing
if theres a swarm of crushers and bulwarks grab the extra grenade
paired with 60 sec regen
bitter turtle
Compared to another certain grenade node is rather have 60 second CD, if I could...
i mean you are ocmparing it to the one of the literal best talents on the tree
analog blaze
Nah. Extra grenade is rarely worth it.
crude ermine
I have that habit
bitter turtle
its good in conjunction with each other, demo team + demo stock + grenadier
grenades for days
umbral scaffold
if youre playing a normal mode though dont even bother with the extra nade
bitter turtle
i used to grab it all the time on old trees
only stopped b/c the tree reshuffling made it harder to pick up sometimes
but i also dropped demo team on most of my trees now so that's hardly an indictment on it
demo team feeds a lot of nades and you can get a lot of value from having +1 max nade capacity
not to mention the actual pickups on the map
analog blaze
Grenades aren't good enough to focus on imo. Krak is good, but specific and shredder doesn't do a ton of damage.
bitter turtle
shredders are literally one of the best parts of vet
shredder nade saves runs
1 for knockdown, 2 for wiping out a room
devout comet
Besides the grenade one, that can be good if built around it
bitter turtle
some ppl here literally build around shredder for auric mael, idk what you mean by its meh
anyway there is only one
truly right answer
Keep their Heads Down!
in fact
that whole line can just fucking go
timid flower
I just like the idea of throwing a krak at a crusher i dont wanna deal with while focusing on something else
devout comet
Currently writing a doc on how to possibly improve the class as a good portion of the class is currently underused (find me a build that purely focuses on the right side lol) and was wondering if there's any skills people think are useless as to cut down on the potential bloat (or reshuffle to places that'd make getting the keystones easier)
crude ermine
Oh yeah that line exists
devout comet
Eh, the middle seems pretty useful, I'll check out the others though
devout comet
Oh god you're right
versed merlin
wait born leader is bad?
bitter turtle
wait born leader is bad?
yes
timid flower
Middle feels like it would be good to pick but you just rarely ever feel it
versed merlin
why?
bitter turtle
suppose you take ET+CK
so you gain 25% toughness on every elite kill
that's laready a big investment for a lot of builds
that means you get a whole
3-4% toughness to your teammates
wow
bitter turtle
literally in the decimals
versed merlin
thats rough
bitter turtle
not even 1%
slender turtle
Is there a limit for how much of a damage reduction you can get?
bitter turtle
you're talking about 2% toughness per second FOR YOURSELF
15% of that is like literally
0.3% toughness per second for your team
so like even if you have 200 toughness that';s lkike
versed merlin
guess ill have to grab the 5 seconds 10% damage then 
bitter turtle
0.6 toughness regain
frank ether
Nah. Extra grenade is rarely worth it.
it has decent value with shredders since having 2+2 is a lot better than 2+1
bitter turtle
ya, not that that one is much better, but at least if you're pressing your ulti that probably means a damage buff is nice(?) even if its fucking 5 seconds
frank ether
but would much rather
have the other grenade talents
those that also are easier to reach
tall torrent
what about the other toughness per second you gain from killing elites?
Also born leader only works on your baseline 100 toughness iirc
tall torrent
The extra toughness values u add in your build doesn’t contribute
terse idol
hold crap, I'm leveling another vet to get a new voice
versed merlin
thats so worse
terse idol
And...
tall torrent
So it’s even worse
frank ether
part of the issue is how the part of the tree with the +1 grenade has stinkers like smoke grenade and speed aura
terse idol
I didn't realise how bad these weapons were down here
I'm trying the burst rifle
It's so bad!
Down here
tall torrent
Unless they changed that in the same patch they allowed born leader to share toughness when at max toughness
bitter turtle
also catch a breath/kill zone need to be changed too
maybe a damage bonus for like
tall torrent
But imo born leader vs FTE is just the battle of mid
frank ether
I think its easier to just slap a toughness reset on volley fire
tall torrent
Catch a breath is good
bitter turtle
i always take the stun immunity
is it good for reasons that aren't "its a radar for enemies behind you"?
lost lake
What are the best blessings for chainsword
frank ether
I think the problem is sharpshooter vet is the only playstyle where you can't just have a get ouf of jail button in a pitch
versed merlin
i cant see how catch a breath can work in auric
frank ether
catch a break I think is supposed to work when you're alone and not in combat
and it does that
slender turtle
How about a talent that reloads your weapon upon ability activation? ||
||
versed merlin
i never find myself short of enemies by my side
tame lichen
How about a talent that reloads your weapon upon ability activation? ||<:PepeDis...
used to be executioner stance
frank ether
I used to think like you do and now I think about it a little differently
keen wharf
i cant tell if its just because i mostly do quickplay or people really dont like the Repair or Investigation Mission. 
slender turtle
used to be executioner stance
I know. They should totally bring it back
tame lichen
versed merlin
I used to think like you do and now I think about it a little differently
how so?
tame lichen
weapon specialist is fine tho for reloads off melee
umbral scaffold
literally what is the reason for not having executioner stance reload your gun
ogryn has it with his bullet time so why not vet
versed merlin
i can see it being useful in a situation where like, a pack of lesser gunners are shooting at you, but still, its only going to be a few seconds until another mob come closer to me. id rather just run into them and take them on the melee by myself
bitter turtle
literally what is the reason for not having executioner stance reload your gun
i mean how would you magically bullets into your gun
that is a reason
:^)
slender turtle
i cant tell if its just because i mostly do quickplay or people really dont like...
Hab dreyko gave everyone ptsd cause they cant multi task worth a damn. and theres literally only one repair mission so why bother
umbral scaffold
i guess ogryn is some kind of psyker
crude ermine
What are the best blessings for chainsword
New or old
umbral scaffold
considering he magically reloads a clip of over 100 bullets into his heavy stubber
tame lichen
literally what is the reason for not having executioner stance reload your gun
because the forums would bitch about veterans being "overpowered" again
umbral scaffold
lol
lost lake
New or old
Cadia is old right? So old
bitter turtle
for real though
frank ether
how so?
When playing with VoC/Infiltrate and Focus Mark/Weapon Specialist, both the blitz and keystone give you toughness regen and other means of survival (stun for voc, invisibility for infiltrate). When we look at executioner stance and marksman focus they are tunnel visioned into ranged damage and it has no other value besides that. Its a very poor choice overall.
versed merlin
to think that ogryns have that and vets dont 💀
umbral scaffold
it just makes sense
slender turtle
It just works
umbral scaffold
his name is literally sharpshooter lol
bitter turtle
When playing with VoC/Infiltrate and Focus Mark/Weapon Specialist, both the blit...
tbh I can see the value o f catch a breath if you're Exec Stance
tame lichen
at this I just want the LMG thats on the left tree photo
bitter turtle
Infiltrate restores toughness though
so fine
how about just rework killzone
dmg buff if you havent taken damage in 10 seconds
frank ether
tbh I can see the value o f catch a breath if you're Exec Stance
Its like a beggar's choice except you don't have to choose exec stance outside of few weapons. Which is why most people just don't go for it.
bitter turtle
!!!
slender turtle
Infiltrate restores toughness though
And get a 50% damage reduction upon leaving stealth
versed merlin
When playing with VoC/Infiltrate and Focus Mark/Weapon Specialist, both the blit...
ohhhh i see i see
bitter turtle
and if anyone says my kill zone is bad i can just tell them "just dont get hit :^)"
versed merlin
and -90 threat for 10 seconds because why not 
devout comet
Ok how about a pivot, if you could what would you guys want done to buff them?
bitter turtle
well you generally only take one or the other, not both -threat and damage reduction together
slender turtle
But do you get 80% damage reduction for exhil takedown + hunters' resolve 
bitter turtle
i mean what would be the point
bitter turtle
Ok how about a pivot, if you could what would you guys want done to buff them?
i already said mine
versed merlin
ik, its just for the meme
bitter turtle
i think someone came up with a pretty funny idea for born leader too
where you funnel 15% of your teammates' toughness gain into yourself
which is
funnily enough
way better
lul
devout comet
i already said mine
The reload one, saw and added that one
crude ermine
Cadia is old right? So old
Yeah I'll be frank I actually don't know since I haven't used the weapon in a long time, sorry
inland orchid
i thought u were luna
bitter turtle
also i'd want to move shock trooper to be on the same line as 25% ammo tbh
inland orchid
not frank
bitter turtle
makes more sense to me that way
devout comet
If I was to rework executioner tbh I'd have it reload the activation mag, have ogryns be tagged on base and instead replace it with a skill that makes all shots during executioner take from your reserve with a 10% that each round shot uses spends an extra round
versed merlin
the ammo is in a weird spot
most of the times that ammo node is irrelevant to me, but i have to go through it just to take the elite enemies dmg
bitter turtle
its a tax node for a lot of weapons to get to 15% elite dmg but it does slightly reduce dependency on going survivalist
i just think its weird having to take it to get to shocktrooper
versed merlin
its a tax node for a lot of weapons to get to 15% elite dmg but it does slightly...
which is not needed at all considering both are all at the left side
bitter turtle
which is not needed at all considering both are all at the left side <:KEKW_ogry...
i mean, so you can go fire team instead
lets you pick up grenade tinker + 10% melee dmg more easily
if you know you will be ok on ammo w/ that 25% node
frank ether
Man I want to talk about how I'd go about fixing exec vet
but I realized
I care less and less
versed merlin
why
frank ether
its depressing and I'd rather focus on whats fun
versed merlin
understandable, really
frank ether
melee vet is a lot of fun
I'm grateful to devs for
making melee vet go from
meme to
bitter turtle
swap exec stance with infiltrate
frank ether
actually great
versed merlin
weap spec is legit fun
bitter turtle
positionins
frank ether
I really am grateful its been tons of fun
bitter turtle
now ppl can take infiltrate without being taxed
frank ether
but the way they butchered sharpshooter vet also makes me a little sad
versed merlin
swap exec stance with infiltrate
that would be extremely helpful tbh
versed merlin
not sure infernus is worth it on kantrael
analog ermine
not sure infernus is worth it on kantrael
dum dum increases damage of burn
bitter turtle
its sad the only reason infil doesnt get used more is b/c of the 3+ point tax you have to take for using it over voc lul
versed merlin
because my monkey brain goes like this: you shoot less, you crit less, therefore you proc less
analog ermine
because my monkey brain goes like this: you shoot less, you crit less, therefore...
the gun has a high crit rate base
versed merlin
its sad the only reason infil doesnt get used more is b/c of the 3+ point tax yo...
exactly
versed merlin
im not sure, i dont like that gun and dont use it
although i think that gun has problems reaching gunner breakpoint without crit
versed merlin
and if you can handle yourself in melee well, flak can be swapped to unarmored so you hit gunner breakpoint
versed merlin
its not like there are better blessings for that gun
vivid bolt
I’d take headtaker as its more damage to all versus +5 just to flak
versed merlin
like you have raking fire and ghost to choose from
trim steppe
I've never done quite as much heavy lifting on the resource collection as I did last game
serene sage
Wtf lmao
frank ether
its sad the only reason infil doesnt get used more is b/c of the 3+ point tax yo...
also that its furthest away from survivalist+ actual grenades+precision/deadshot
so making a detour to take survivalist, go all the way right to survivalist and then go back to take precision or deadshot, maybe %25 ammo
thats a lot of traveling
bitter turtle
yeah
'that's what i meant
compared to voc
you lose 2 points having to path over to that side
just right off the bat
but then you have to pick up an extra subnode probably, so that's 3
since voc only needs 1 while you really want dmg+ or overwatch or even both for infil
and then you probably STILL WANT to get demo stockpile just because its one of the best talents
so that's another point wasted
frank ether
like make those more interesting and I'm somewhat certain
more people will go that path
so when I often say I don't think voc is busted at all
this is where I'm coming from
bitter turtle
i dont think it is either
frank ether
I genuinely think people just go for the most efficient/fun path and VoC is at the center of it
bitter turtle
exec is just kinda bad but infiltrate is really good
just barely anyone is willing to make the sacrifice to take it
voc is just more convenient
so you can grab all the other fun toys
doesnt help that demo stockpile is right above it
so its even more motivation to take the best talent int he tree since it naturally paths to it
frank ether
yea infil is actually ok
its also
just like voc
a toughness reset
when you spec into overwatch
its 2x toughness reset
so you can fuck up twice and still sit at full toughness
bitter turtle
what isn't free
wanton dawn
VoC is both the easiest option to grab and the less expensive
bitter turtle
unironically asking what did we say was free
frank ether
no clue
wanton dawn
what isn't free
The two tjoughness regen on infil
bitter turtle
ya
i factored that into
part of the tax problem
for infil
youre taxed like 3 points MINIMUM for going infil
compared to voc
frank ether
meanwhile exec needs you to invest 2 extra talents to become a functional blitz
wanton dawn
Plus it also come with a cd increase
bitter turtle
little wonder its not popular when its actually a strong ability
frank ether
without those two point investments exec is a glorified 5 second ranged damage buff and a weapon swap on 30 something sec cooldown
bitter turtle
voc only has 1 subnode worth taking and its also in a spot way more convenient
and it has grenade stockpile pathing n aturally into it that you prob still want to take
in reality its probably more lik 4+ tax
to just take infil
frank ether
base exec is so bad you'd get more value out of agile engagement
wanton dawn
The good thing about exec stance is that it buried all counterfire vs susfire hot takes
frank ether
It buried those takes by committing sudoku and becoming irrelevant
wanton dawn
Now we only get some ppl arguing bout rez shout but most ppl know it is bait
frank ether
well I tell people its redundant but only once
whether they listen or not is not my problem
They still run voc at the end of the day
so by default better than an exec user
I'm down to a single exec build and I play it less and less
that is the helbore 3 build
Only kept it as is because I wanted to be a purist about it and play the weapon for its ''intended'' role of can opening
wanton dawn
I dont have a single non voc build. I dont bother with "alternative" gameplay that destroy my survability or my talent tree economy
frank ether
for which you need to stack like executioner+marksman+exec stance all at once and then crit headshot a crusher
meanwhile zealots be like one shotting bosses
frank ether
I dont have a single non voc build. I dont bother with "alternative" gameplay th...
I think eventually I'll find myself in this boat but I still have a few infil builds
mainly the problem is all my builds start at survivalist
so infiltrate just frustrating to reach
torn root
I DONT BLAME YOU
sorry caps
but VoC is just too good
like actually
from position on the tree and what you get from it
bitter turtle
you basically
imo
have to run a krak+ fire team build
to fit it in lol
so only so many guns can work with it
otherwise you just give up way too much
wanton dawn
So a helbore bayonet build
bitter turtle
ya that's one lol
frank ether
how do you solve this problem from game desinger point
do you nuke survivalist and embrace vet = zealot but with ps
wanton dawn
how do you solve this problem from game desinger point
You stop trying to put stats nodes
bitter turtle
i agree with ppl that said survivalist should just be a base vet passive thing
not an aura
its not like fire team and movespeed aura are out of line vs other tree auras
frank ether
yeah, me too.
frank ether
it should have been a baseline thing for veteran all along.
it would also save you headache from people
literally harassing you into
running survivalist
frank ether
shut up hadron
bitter turtle
or put shredder in the middle instead of krak so people can path easiest from shredder
then people with "alternative playstyles" can still have smokes without punishing infil
frank ether
Idk I don't think kraks that bad
bitter turtle
kraks are ok
frank ether
shredder better for general use for sure
bitter turtle
they have a place at least
umbral scaffold
its not bad but not super reliable either
frank ether
but making shredder harder to reach only upsets sharpshooter even more lmao
umbral scaffold
theyre situational considering enemies are going to be sprinting at you and you cant cook grenades
unless you throw it at your feet and then waste your stam pushing them
at that point just clobber them to death
frank ether
if you're running voc path you're likely a melee competent build and thus can deal with mixed hordes far better than a sharpshootie can
wanton dawn
Kraks has utilities against weakened monstro, especially bon
frank ether
krak damage is also still respectable
bitter turtle
its great in general against monstros
bitter turtle
the damage + the stunlock is really good
wanton dawn
bulwarks are cancer
I run sunder
frank ether
I run sunder <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
does it even damage them though
umbral scaffold
krak got worse dealing with hordes
frank ether
like dont you still have to open the bulwark in the end
umbral scaffold
since melee exists
wanton dawn
does it even damage them though
It damages through. I dont care about bulwark themselves
umbral scaffold
krak is better for monstros and crusher/bulwark
frank ether
I hate them with every fiber of my being
versed merlin
who doesnt hate bulwakrs
umbral scaffold
bulwarks are fucking annoying
versed merlin
i used to hate mutants but bulwakrs manage to be even worse lol
umbral scaffold
since you have to bait a swing just to hit them
bitter turtle
i love it when their shield has magical defensive barriers on their sides
umbral scaffold
and if you hit their armor on accident or miss they go back to blocking
frank ether
If I could turn into a computer virus that burns away bulwark from fatshark's codebase I would
bitter turtle
to be honest
devout patio
bricked?
bitter turtle
i still hate them less than ragers though
umbral scaffold
if they fixed the bulwark hitboxes id be alright with it
bitter turtle
at least their design
umbral scaffold
i dont want to hit the INSIDE of their shield on accident
and then send him back to blocking and impervious to damage
basically the only situation where a krak is outright useful
wanton dawn
Also most of the time i take loadout that deal with everything. Rn plasma is meta and ignore bulwark
umbral scaffold
just stick it to his shield and focus on something else
frank ether
I love revving into bulwark face and somehow hitting the shield or armor bits
umbral scaffold
i think ragers are fine
wanton dawn
So yeah, i dont mind cuz am meta slave
frank ether
rager is ok
slender turtle
Hows the bolter on a weapon specialist vet?
bitter turtle
they're "fine" in balance but i just think they're an incredibly boring enemy
umbral scaffold
thats true
frank ether
boring sure but effective
bitter turtle
majority of loadouts have no option but to pull out gun and shoot
umbral scaffold
they just run at you and swing 10 ten times
versed merlin
dont you just love when you hit your chainsword special right into a bulwark shield by complete accident because of his invisible shield hitbox? 😍
bitter turtle
because they have magical phantom reach and stagger resistance and perfect tracking in melee
i just think their design sucks
frank ether
I'll give you that
umbral scaffold
they need more variety tbh
frank ether
rager reach is dumb af
serene sage
hey people
wanton dawn
Well, ps is super good against rager and again, it is meta option
serene sage
what are you guys doing for christmas?
versed merlin
playing darktide lol
frank ether
suffering
bitter turtle
japan
wanton dawn
what are you guys doing for christmas?
Not playing dt
umbral scaffold
ragers are fine in terms of balance as long as you dont do anything stupid
but again their design and attacks is just boring
frank ether
if you take a single enemy in isolation its always fine in balance
umbral scaffold
if they had more variety like a lunge attack
frank ether
I think context matters
bitter turtle
nah
umbral scaffold
or something
tiny summit
I think ragers are fine in a vacuum. I'm more so just annoyed at the amount the damn+ has clown car levels of them
serene sage
dang
midnight mortar
if you take a single enemy in isolation its always fine in balance
Yeah part of the issue of why these problems are hard to balance is because Fatshark has opted for difficulty to equal increased enemy density and spawn rates.
wanton dawn
I have video of 30 ragers handled in melee
bitter turtle
just warrant pulling out a gun 90% of time
frank ether
ragers are just bit of a mobility check because of just how many of them spawns
versed merlin
I have video of 30 ragers handled in melee
i witnessed such video
bitter turtle
unless you have one of the melees that can stagger
frank ether
or I guess
tiny summit
So should every option have an answer to everything?
frank ether
stun
wanton dawn
i witnessed such video
Granted, you did not see the failure rate
frank ether
unironically the one thing everyone considers useless
umbral scaffold
dude i was on i think a maelstrom as my psyker
frank ether
and yet stunlocking ragers before they can start their attack works
versed merlin
mixed horde are the reason why i hate vraks and helbores
umbral scaffold
i shit you not there was atleast 10 ragers
one would run up the stairs and two more would follow behind
carnival map 2 after the obscura den
versed merlin
the only comfortable way i found out to deal with ragers is by shooting them at their faces instead of trying melee
even as zealot
umbral scaffold
all i could hear for a solid 45 seconds was "THE ROT TAKE YOU"
serene sage
mixed horde are the reason why i hate vraks and helbores
mixed horde is one of the reasons why plasma and revikver op
wanton dawn
mixed horde are the reason why i hate vraks and helbores
Hellbore bayo is actually good on mixed horde. Its weakness is crusher and mauler in those situation
serene sage
shotty is okay
umbral scaffold
the stagger resistance against ragers is a bit ridiculous though
umbral scaffold
even an ogryn cant stagger ragers with a punch
serene sage
not enough cleave
eternal venture
unironically the one thing everyone considers useless
Tide players always act tough and downplay stagger/stun but don’t realize how often it gets them out of bad situations
serene sage
shottes need a lot more cleave
versed merlin
i didnt try it when i used one, because im too stubborn to swap weapon special from q to mouse5
eternal venture
Or you get people in zealot chat unironically saying they never push or block while sliding
serene sage
Tide players always act tough and downplay stagger/stun but don’t realize how of...
i dont think people here do
serene sage
how is this shotty though 😎
tiny summit
Tide players always act tough and downplay stagger/stun but don’t realize how of...
Kept a horde locked down with ogryn slap
eternal venture
Because that class has a dozen ways to make up for bad positioning or bad gameplay decisions
versed merlin
how is this shotty though 😎
hot
bitter turtle
it was not long ago smite was the hottest meme in pugs so idk
versed merlin
but you dont need maniac if you use slug
eternal venture
Ogryn players love their stagger/CC
bitter turtle
i dont think people downplay it
eternal venture
serene sage
but you dont need maniac if you use slug
really?
versed merlin
yes
serene sage
what should i get instead?
wanton dawn
Ppl read zealot chat for zealot gameplay ?!
serene sage
unarmored for gunners?
versed merlin
idk
tiny summit
Because that class has a dozen ways to make up for bad positioning or bad gamepl...
True. New evis let's me play new levels of ignorant brain dead wound lmb spam
eternal venture
I still see a lot of smite psykers (and people who also downplay it)
versed merlin
i have a 1.5 stamina locked there so idk what i could run instead
wanton dawn
I though zealot chat was for meme and eye scream
trim steppe
Whats the difference between the eviscerators?
serene sage
i want to keep the slug usage at minimum though
dapper vessel
how is this shotty though 😎
😎
eternal venture
But smite down players are more a vocal minority than anything
tiny summit
Whats the difference between the eviscerators?
Old has strikedown lights. New has sweep lights
dapper vessel
ar you okay <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
msm
trim steppe
That seems way better
versed merlin
msn?
serene sage
i can't seem to remember
umbral scaffold
i need a new eviscerator
dapper vessel
Veteran these days
tiny summit
That seems way better
Some people like the h1 on old evis more as it's a sweep while new evis heavies are only strikedowns
umbral scaffold
does the new evis have strikedown heavy or sweep heavy
ooooh fuck
new evis is only strikedown??
serene sage
does the new evis have strikedown heavy or sweep heavy
sir this is vet chat
umbral scaffold
my fault
trim steppe
Some people like the h1 on old evis more as it's a sweep while new evis heavies ...
I like spamming lights into hordes and doing heavies on meaty boys, so the new evis sounds way better for my playstyle
tiny summit
Everyone is a vet because everyone needs to shoot
versed merlin
my fault
dont worry, you still have a higher chance of getting answered here than in zealot chat
wanton dawn
Everyone is a vet because everyone needs to shoot
Psyker doesnt
umbral scaffold
sharp ember
does the new evis have strikedown heavy or sweep heavy
its pure sweep lights and pure strikedown heavies
tiny summit
Psyker doesnt
Sustained fire on staves
trim steppe
Psyker doesnt
they shoot mind bullets
umbral scaffold
its pure sweep lights and pure strikedown heavies
dude thats so ass
serene sage
zealot chat is schizo
umbral scaffold
ill stick with old evis
if it was pure heavy sweep it would be horde clearing beast
it still is but you have to pair a push attack with it for cc
versed merlin
but it is horde clearing beast
tiny summit
dude thats so ass
I love it. My mind is mush with how braindead simple wound zealot is with it
versed merlin
in fact, it can also proc backstabs cdr quite often
versed merlin
yes
umbral scaffold
ill have to edit my build for that
versed merlin
you should buy one at brunt and test it yourself
its prob one of the best melee weapons imo
tiny summit
I don't have any problem horde clearing with only its sweep lights
trim steppe
what is the blessing/perk meta on the new evis?
versed merlin
its litreally the same move set of the exectioner sword from vermintide
dusk sparrow
Old evis is cooler though
versed merlin
except you can build attack speed here
coral flume
tiny summit
what is the blessing/perk meta on the new evis?
Dunno. I'm probably bad, only rolled 1 and have shred and perfect strike so I can keep light spamming with no interruption with crit cdr on chastise
crude ermine
what is the blessing/perk meta on the new evis?
Rampage and either SS, wrath or shred depending if you're doing a Crit build
tiny summit
But it is a brain dead simple gameplan with it that way. But that's also for wound zealot. If I had blazing piety I would replace shred
versed merlin
what is the blessing/perk meta on the new evis?
rampage + shred/momentum
velvet beacon
Hey sorry to bother you but I don't really know how discord works. But sadly I'm under spiritual attack and I was trying to see if I could report a spiritual attack on the game dark tides In this video the character that the filmer is playing and the ogren were both spiritually attacked with spiritual feces the character that the channel owner was using was attacked in the forehead with spiritual feces of s*** and the ogrin was attacked in the left hand. Because it's a spiritual attack on a video or a game. I'm not sure if it will affect all the games or just this one person's game or maybe even just this video but I just wanted to report this so that could be in the books and hopefully somebody could do something to fix it if there's a problem. But anytime The emperor's Men are attacked there's always a problem. As well the enemies NPCs were with spiritually attacked with feces so maybe you should make a statement that says the emperor does not use spiritual feces as a weapon of war or something of that sort I don't know. War is honorable even if it's grim and dark.
https://youtu.be/lAhWdbMPhSc?si=EiXOmoqbuaDecM6G
sharp ember
what
versed merlin
indeed
sharp ember
bitter turtle
Just wondering
crude ermine
Hey sorry to bother you but I don't really know how discord works. But sadly I'm...
What the fuck
bitter turtle
Hey sorry to bother you but I don't really know how discord works. But sadly I'm...
what's the difference between spiritual feces and plain old normal feces
trim steppe
rampage + shred/momentum
is it flakiac for perks?
crude ermine
WHY are we asking this
sharp ember
is it flakiac for perks?
a safe pick for sure
damnable dreg ragers
carapace is probably valid for whacking maulers and crushers though
dapper vessel
what am I reading
bitter turtle
a very creative attempt at shilling your own channel
dapper vessel
see milkandcookies has a fairly huge following already
versed merlin
really?
so this is my shotty. so long as you're hitting hs, you can 1 tap most specials with the slug without maniac. you're missing a breakpoint at ragers hs on close range (with longshot you should still be able to one tap them), but you can overcome that with either superiority complex (15 elite) or deadshot crits. so i found out that maniac is not necessary at all
dapper vessel
do you use your slug for every Maniac?
versed merlin
if im safe, yes
bitter turtle
see milkandcookies has a fairly huge following already
its that or the cry of a concerned citizen about the state of fecal matter in darktide
versed merlin
im running this, so its not a problem to reload
dapper vessel
Slugs are for long range enemies mostly
versed merlin
yes
dapper vessel
I dont see why you want to use it against stuff like Dreg Ragers
versed merlin
if im not safe, i just 2-3 tap them
dapper vessel
when you can have Maniac and just use normal M1
versed merlin
that depends on how far they are from you
wanton dawn
1 msg account that throws a rant and a video link are a mystery too me
dapper vessel
They are melee enemies
versed merlin
and what does that changes?
tiny summit
Like if you have time and ammo...why wouldn't you just load a slug to 1 tap a rager?
versed merlin
yes, the distance is what i mean by being safe
if you're safe, you have time to slug it in and shoot things from far away
dapper vessel
so
tiny summit
Like I can melee a rager with bayonet and they are stunlocked or I shoot them
dapper vessel
like you cant really ever go wrong with flak and maniac as perks for most weapons
since they cover 90% of the armor types you encounter in higher difficulties
somber axle
What blessings do you want on a power sword again?
dapper vessel
and during maelstrom blessings like specialist waves
bitter turtle
What blessings do you want on a power sword again?
BM + Power Cycler
dapper vessel
Brutal momentum and Power cycler
somber axle
Ok thanks
versed merlin
well yes. alternatively, you could change it to anything as slugs already cover the maniac perk, thats what im saying
frank ether
1 msg account that throws a rant and a video link are a mystery too me
It reads like AI generated
bitter turtle
if it doesnt give you a meaningful breakpoint on anything then its fair to not run it
versed merlin
is it flakiac for perks?
sorry, i totally missed this. im not sure about evis perks, from zealot chat i heard different takes from perks and came to no conclusion at all lmao
wanton dawn
It reads like AI generated
Alternatively copypasta
bitter turtle
i checked if it was already
versed merlin
like some people told me to run flak cara and some others told me flakiac so, ig it would be up to you
bitter turtle
no results
versed merlin
how would you instruct chatgpt to generate such a piece of fart
wanton dawn
Knowledge is the 1st step toward heresy
bitter turtle
im an elfdar fan
versed merlin
its so applicable those days
bitter turtle
im already a heretic
frank ether
Alternatively copypasta
I considered that aswell, but I am lacking in tide shitpost lore
I was busy having fun instead of betatesting sharttide for 10 months
wanton dawn
im an elfdar fan
bold kindle
demios
wanton dawn
God dam it the image didn't go
Got slannesh-checked
crude ermine
Slannesh ruins everything
wanton dawn
Especially eldar
versed merlin
is there a minimum to revolver damage stat so that it doesnt lose breakpoints?
(without talents)
bitter turtle
you dont need damage stats
just cut through the carapace with your samurai cowboy spirit
tidal wedge
is there a minimum to revolver damage stat so that it doesnt lose breakpoints?
just use a 70%+ damage stat and you should be fine
versed merlin
ahh okok sounds good. ty
frank ether
just go broke for a godroll and have hadron brick it
tidal wedge
just go broke for a godroll and have hadron brick it
with rerolls this can still be good tho
frank ether
this was so demoralizing I have not used a revolver since
frank ether
with rerolls this can still be good tho
no lmao, 4/4 brick
tidal wedge
no lmao, 4/4 brick
I run a trash revolver and I do great with it
frank ether
bruh
marsh condor
frank ether
the cap is time
tidal wedge
no lmao, 4/4 brick
here's my current main revolver (I don't have a screenshot): https://youtu.be/AAyS4vRbKXE?feature=shared
tidal wedge
low rolls I guess
tidal wedge
can't complain too much, u rite
bitter turtle
wdym
tidal wedge
crafting sucks
*gambling
frank ether
whoever designed this system I'd like to
tie them to a chair
and make them roll a roulette for their paycheck
they can get money or a lump of coal
but its okay human body can survive a while on water so technically its optional
wanton dawn
and make them roll a roulette for their paycheck
They need to roll 100 times, 1s a roll, then they need to cleanup the coal afterwards
tidal wedge
tie them to a chair
veteran chat never disappoints with excellent hot takes
wanton dawn
Repeat until salary is received
frank ether
They need to roll 100 times, 1s a roll, then they need to cleanup the coal after...
I like this
can't make this a single layer of dice roll now can we
wanton dawn
can't make this a single layer of dice roll now can we
Cuz we also need to allienate ppl with enough resources that the only precious thing they actually spend is time
It takes AGES to craft
bitter turtle
i genuienly think
the game is an okay enough state now
they can just remove the ccrafting
like i get needing a treadmill when the game had fucking nothing in it
but its fine now
let us enjoy the game pls
tidal wedge
or merge all recourses into one
bitter turtle
for brunt
i was thinking
if they still wanr rng
let us feed weapons into our main weapon
midnight totem
gods
bitter turtle
if the fed weapon has any higher base stats, it raises ours by a certain amount
or some shit
idk
midnight totem
why does 5 percent move speed feel like its so much?
frank ether
I'm pretty sure
bitter turtle
tasukete pls fatshark
frank ether
500 something hours in
I still lack
most blessings
even for some of my more popular weapons I just havent gotten some blessings AT ALL
is this not enough rng?
tidal wedge
why does 5 percent move speed feel like its so much?
at +15% you can basically dodge most attacks by walking away
bitter turtle
i just dont play some weapons because rolling for them is cursed
it took way too long to roll the knife i wanted
i dont want to do that again
versed merlin
here's my current main revolver (I don't have a screenshot): https://youtu.be/AA...
you're the one who made that video? subscribed
frank ether
like hey last day someone said if you like heavy attacking haymaker on knife is good
I didn't even knew
knife had haymaker
tidal wedge
you're the one who made that video? subscribed
yes. thanks man!
midnight totem
I took vanguard instead of close order drill
out for blood instead of confirmed kill
frank ether
at +15% you can basically dodge most attacks by walking away
yeah movement speed is one of those hidden op stats but also people fail to consider their weapon of choice will affect this
midnight totem
less toughness replenishment, but the movespeed feels so good
Also one less stamina
and its just 5 percent, like wtf?
frank ether
I don't think it still comes anywhere close to zealot levels of zoom
midnight totem
Of course not
pearl granite
is this shovel good? 🤔
