veteran-class

[tidal wedge]

decent

are you planning to change infested with maniacs?

[tall torrent]

Probably yea

[tidal wedge]

should work

[tall torrent]

That gives me both flamer 1 tap headshots without slugs

I’m not sure if I want a more traditional build with VoC and going bottom left & middle

Or infiltrate

[tidal wedge]

if you play with randoms: VoC

[delicate estuary]

ew

VoC

[tidal wedge]

it is what it is

[delicate estuary]

no

[serene sage]

VoC with Marksman Focus

It's surprisingly lit

[delicate estuary]

just learn to play without VoC

[serene sage]

And deadshot

[serene sage]

No ❤️

[tidal wedge]

just a video game bro

[delicate estuary]

cant wait till it gets nerfed

[tall torrent]

Feel like agripinaa shotgun needs the 15% elite node for breakpoints

[tall torrent]

Likely won’t lol

[delicate estuary]

one can hope

[tidal wedge]

I want to nerf infiltrate

to 0.5 seconds

[tall torrent]

Infiltrate is fine

VoC is also fine

[crude ermine]

Love it when my teammate uses the only medicate station when he still has full wounds vs me who has 1 left

[tall torrent]

Exe I think could use small improvements

[delicate estuary]

saying that VoC is fine is hilarious

[crude ermine]

Same guy to alert the DH and have it attack me for some reason

[delicate estuary]

most broken ability in the game atm

[serene sage]

Vote kick

[willow grove]

Hey guys, is Stability a good dump stat on a Bolter?

[delicate estuary]

no

💀

[serene sage]

It can be, but not too dump.

[delicate estuary]

bolter already changes timezones

you want stability

[crude ermine]

It would not go through unfortunately one of our guys is a knife zel and the other might be swayed

[willow grove]

Rip 😦

[tall torrent]

Definitely not as broken as gunpsyker but u go on

[serene sage]

Nah it's fine take it

[delicate estuary]

ahh yes the ammo vacuum machine that is not required

[serene sage]

Sickass Bolter

[tidal wedge]

this is a shotgun now

[willow grove]

lmao

I guess I'll try it out

[serene sage]

quite the opposite

that bolter is a bona fide sniper

[tidal wedge]

there's a bunch of perks that can negate the stab

[tardy plaza]

Gunpsyker is very very niche

[serene sage]

low stability = high surgical value

[tardy plaza]

and requires a lot of ammo

[delicate estuary]

ahh yes

[tardy plaza]

But it is also a walking nuclear bomb

[delicate estuary]

surgical value

just try it out but mobility is the dump stat on it

[tall torrent]

Niche and still extraordinarily busted

[untold flame]

Low stab bolter is hard, should probably be bringing deadshot and suppress immunity

[serene sage]

i dont want to be an asshole but how much time do you have on the gun?

[delicate estuary]

enough to not use surgical on it

[rancid echo]

https://tenor.com/view/shoot-gun-shoulder-pain-fail-gif-12160568

[delicate estuary]

caus eI dislike surgical as a concept

[serene sage]

because Bolter needs just 2.5 thing that this Damage and Reload

[untold flame]

Surgical on bolter is real nice

[serene sage]

well i have 600 hours in the game and most of that on the Bolter

[tall torrent]

They use right keystone with recon lasgun for “1 crit chain”, not point arguing

[serene sage]

Surgical is BiS

especially if your Stability is low

[tidal wedge]

don't fall for contrarian bait

[rancid echo]

explain?

[delicate estuary]

well since you cant read the entire keystone it is indeed pointless to argue

[serene sage]

Stability affects recoil and sway (technically spread, too but Bolter ADS doesn't have spread)
You want the reticle to reset (which doesn't actually take that long) and in the mean time, you are gaining Surgical stacks
so you are awarded for playing optimally by waiting

[tall torrent]

Yes yes 20% firerate buff for 5s on a gun with bad ammo economy to begin with

[rancid echo]

so you mean that intentionally gimping yourself with stability makes surgical good because you have to slow down?

[serene sage]

you need to slow down anyway
the point is that low stability doesn't hurt

[tall torrent]

Bolter is going to kick no matter how much stability you have

[serene sage]

I guess I phrased that badly

[rancid echo]

yeah but there are 2 other better dump stats

[terse idol]

Stability is a fine dump stat

[serene sage]

not really, high collateral can be bad because enemies will run away, hide under cover (since that's suppression)
mobility is kinda whatever

[terse idol]

Mobility is debatable but lots of people dump it

But stability won't hurt that much

[tall torrent]

Mobility is >50% and you’re fine

[idle dirge]

It's fine to have lower mobility than other stats, but if your weapon has 80% everything except for 1% mobility you might need to get another

[untold flame]

Do you actually lose bps for a low damage roll on bolter?

[tall torrent]

You might?

But surgical alleviates that due to how fast it stacks up

[serene sage]

you can yeah, cause you need Long Shot to one tap a few things without crit (from Surgical or else)
low damage means you need to stay out further or not hit one tap BP at all

[vague elm]

anyone know anything about autoguns

[untold flame]

What things?

I have found the one shot body shot inconsistent on gunners tbf

[serene sage]

dreg gunners
ragers
two shotting scab ragers
I vaguely remember it's either 2 shotting reapers as well but not sure if one hit needs to be crit or not

and this is at 80% damage

just to be clear

[tall torrent]

My problem with bolter rn is that

1. Rapid fire loses accuracy fast
2. Bolter takes a lot of talent investments to feel good (sacrifices other stuff I want)
3. Pinning fire is BiS, and the gun either isn’t the best at breakpoints without surgical, or isn’t that great vs crushers without shattering impact
4. The draw speed is horrendous which makes for bad reactionary shooting

[serene sage]

I mostly agree with 2 and 4, 1 and 3 can be tolerable

[untold flame]

Those are pretty important targets

[tall torrent]

1 and 3 is tolerable if the team handles some problems for u

[serene sage]

well it's a Long Shot breakpoint so it's hazy

[tall torrent]

I think on a back line sniper tole the bolter can do amazing work

[serene sage]

some people don't even consider Long Shot as part of BPs at all but I do

[tall torrent]

But it’s when you really get into the heat of battle it falls short vs other “back line shooter” options like helbore, plasma and vraks7

[untold flame]

I think a big part of the bolter pain is that you kinda wanna run exe dtance with it

[tall torrent]

You can use bolter without exe stance

Exe helps with breakpoints

[untold flame]

But the reload is too slow and followup shots are so unstable to really chain for long

[serene sage]

I think you should run bolter without exe stance

[tall torrent]

But it’s kind of hard to maintain exe

[untold flame]

I use it for quickswap

[tall torrent]

VoC is better for making room when you need to get reloads in

In my experience

[untold flame]

Yea reloads are when it gets iffy with exe

[cerulean void]

wonder how they'll change VoC

[tall torrent]

Probably CD nerf at most?

[serene sage]

it's a little strong but im not sure how they should change it without people crying

[tall torrent]

Even then I doubt it

[untold mulch]

Thats the neat part

You can't

[serene sage]

they already nerfed it twice (or once)?

[cerulean void]

dunno, they'd need to really touch on that Only In Death modifier then

[untold flame]

Oh it'll be a nerf that effects vet mains do there will be tears either way

[tall torrent]

I wish they buff VoC res and nerf the base CD

[cerulean void]

^

[serene sage]

Like reddit thinks the plasma is perfectly balanced and not OP, so something a little more amorphous like VoC being too good would completely go over their heads

[tall torrent]

Like, nerf base CD to 40s
Res still at 45s, but doesn’t reduce stagger radius, and it revives everybody in coherency

[serene sage]

and they will spam the subreddit

[tall torrent]

Now you can make a very strong case for VoC res

[serene sage]

so, like, old VoC?

honestly if they do that I think infiltrate is just better

[tall torrent]

Tbh
30s 100 toughness overshield is busted
45s 50 toughness overshield felt meh

40s 50 toughness overshield on top of the current tree feels fine

Infiltrate suffers from pathing imo

Bottom half of the 3 trees are all good now

[serene sage]

little did we know, this is how survivalist dies

[tall torrent]

It’s not just “default middle then grab right for melee”

[serene sage]

smoke + close and kill, anyone?

no?

[tall torrent]

I find the most success with left & middle rn for the best breakpoints

The extra ammo is nice and I still get stamina regen delay reduction

Plus more elite dmg

Helps breakpoints

Only thing I miss is duck & dive for stamina maintenance

[untold flame]

Anyone make a bp calculator yet?

[serene sage]

there is already one

im not sure if it's updated to the new patch though

[crude ermine]

That was definitely his first auric damn or even first damn game so a part of me feels bad

[crisp rapids]

surgical is great

[serene sage]

I sensed a distinct lack of criticism

Shame on you

[crude ermine]

I told him not to use his wound curios after this sc

But he left before I could tell him to see who has the lowest wounds count and who needs medicate more

[serene sage]

Look, I don't make the rules

[frozen meadow]

I really want a surgical on headhunter sounds fun

[serene sage]

The game says flaming teammates is the first step to play Damnation

Hate the game not the players

Flame more

[frozen meadow]

Playing vet after zealot feels good

Zealot feels boring for me

I wanna shooti shooti

[tall torrent]

Zealot is so similar but so different from vet

[frozen meadow]

Also vet has much better drip

[serene sage]

Is there a combat axe equivalence for Zealots?

[tall torrent]

I disagree, zealot has some of the best looking armours in the game

[untold flame]

The combat axe

[tall torrent]

Yea, Rashad mk2 combat axe
It’s just that for zealot it’s harder to reach its breakpoints

[serene sage]

Oh right

[frozen meadow]

Zealot all looks like gimp suits to me

[serene sage]

Idek why I asked

[frozen meadow]

Premium is a different story

[serene sage]

The ordo skin with the candles is lit though

Pun intended

[untold flame]

Oh yea the default penance gear isnt that drippy

Mostly just the headgear tbh

The armour is nice

[frozen meadow]

I would argue only vet and psyker have decent full sets for free

[serene sage]

Yeah, headgear truly feels like they grabbed an underwear and put it on their heads

[untold flame]

Ogryn looks pretty ogryn-y as well

[tall torrent]

There’re only 2 headpieces veteran players desire at this point:

• Tempestus Scion helmet
• Darktide cover art veteran helmet

[frozen meadow]

I don't like ogryn chests where you see the arms exposed ect

[serene sage]

I want the old steel legion skin back

[frozen meadow]

I like it when they are fully covered and wearing proper fitted clothes

Like the kreig one

[untold flame]

I want the exact opposite

Give me the full shirtless big man experience

[serene sage]

I like the butcher of something something skin

[untold flame]

Would go perfectly with my leopard prints

[frozen meadow]

I would 100% want a shirtless skin

But I know it would cost real money

[umbral scaffold]

Optimal Ogryn activity

[frozen meadow]

Was leopard prints premium, I don't remember seeing any

[untold flame]

Yea they premium

[frozen meadow]

Sad

[glacial vapor]

What do you guys think of this helbore? Should I keep the unyielding perk to upgrade onslaught to t4?

[untold flame]

The one piece of real money gear ive got

[tall torrent]

Check if you can one tap both flamers, both gunners and both ragers in the head with this first

[frozen meadow]

I haven't got any premium stuff, can't afford it

[tall torrent]

And if you can one tap reaper in the head with crit headshot

[copper pine]

Unyielding is fine

[frozen meadow]

Shame since some looks good but not paying how much it costs

If were half the price I would consider

[glacial vapor]

I can, as long as it crits

[tall torrent]

See if non-crit can work the same

That extra consistency goes a long way

[frozen meadow]

I seen people with a cool captain hat as vet which looks super good

That would be tempting to get

But nfortunately shop rotates

So maybe will be 7 months till I see it

[glacial vapor]

I can't oneshot the ragers without crit, but I already have maniacs

[tall torrent]

That’s fair
Check bodyshots with crits for one taps then

[untold flame]

Captain hat is current

Ittl be out of rotation ina few weeks

[glacial vapor]

Hmm can't oneshot with crit either. Does like 60% their hp

[frozen meadow]

Nah not the bicorn like a conmisar hat

Commisar

[untold flame]

Commissr cap is way ut yeah

[frozen meadow]

Or traditional captain

[inland orchid]

Cornissr

Commands the corn

thought of the pun with ogryn brain

[untold mulch]

All vets are damned then

Which, ngl in the Guard is 100% accurate

[green grail]

anyone know if this adds one stack per shotgun pellet?

[zealous wyvern]

technically, continuous might indicate that they need to happen in a row

shotgun pellets hit all at once i would think

so not continuous

but i dont know

[tall torrent]

1 stack per hit

Doesn’t stack with more pellets hit

[green grail]

ah fair enough

[muted knot]

Weapon specialist with revolver and chainswords is so stupid good in damnation

It's makes no sense, I've been outperforming the zealots in terms of hordeclear

Why is it so chill

[untold mulch]

Would be amazing if they did ngl

[green grail]

i was brainstorming a bleed blessing with kantraal incendiary shot if it did

[untold flame]

Might be a bit much if it applied to all pellets

[green grail]

yeah but funny idea

free 40% brittle

[untold flame]

Maybe to the minimum pellet count or something so it wasnt useless for shotguns

[green grail]

it would make for some interesting build options but would probably have to be scaled back for shotguns

[dusty sluice]

Very new to vet, just finished lvling one up after 350ish hours on zealot, messing with making a build, is this fine?https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ae99cbf-e3f3-4a53-8c95-b8d2ce36a918/vet-1

[crude ermine]

Idk whether this weapon is worth using or not and if so what are the preferred blessings

[tall torrent]

Deathspitter is good
Speed load is fine

I like stripped down on braced & infantry autoguns

[green grail]

i'd drop exploit weakness for either the elite damage or longshot or something

[untold mulch]

Too many RT hours, my brain saw Exploit Weakness and was "since when you could debuff the enemy armor here?"

[vague elm]

Is this salvagable

[green grail]

take a swing into uncanny strike or decimator

[crude ermine]

When I see that I think of monster hunters' weakness exploit

Jewel

[green grail]

and 10% melee into maniac

oh its thunderstrike not skullcrusher .... brain not working

hmmm id probably roll both blessing and it might be usable

[terse idol]

because secretly the vet has more damage but less survivability in melee than zealot

[vague elm]

so unlikely right? 😅

[green grail]

skullcrusher/uncanny/decimator are good shovel blessings imo

[proven karma]

TBH I don't hate this already, probably infested -> maniacs and slaughterer -> something. Curious where y'all would take it.

[terse idol]

Vet is seriously good

But I also gotta be careful about my statements because everything I learn is word of mouth

[tall torrent]

A couple suggestions:

1. Survivalist (aura) is very strong in higher difficulties
2. Try to grab at least one of the “-0.25s stamina regen delay” nodes (bottom right & left)
3. I prefer taking “take a swing” over “decimator” for the mk7 shovel
4. I don’t think you need close quarters killzone (ability modifier)

[dusty sluice]

ay tysm, i didn't have the points to grab survivalist

[terse idol]

I would also recommend giving up either the extra health or toughness on the modifiers to be stamina regen, or block efficiency

[green grail]

time to see how this plays lol

[swift ingot]

This is cursed but this is how I’ll cope till the real thing gets added

[vague elm]

what build are you going to run with that?

[terse idol]

They added melta?!

[tall torrent]

I would also recommend going for frag grenades over krak, given mk7 shovel and revolver are both excellent anti-armor weapons

[swift ingot]

I wish

[terse idol]

[tall torrent]

Something I run for weapon specialist revolver

[green grail]

something like this first test

[vague elm]

what gun?

[vague elm]

oh

I tried something similar

Plasma guns been bugging on me though

[green grail]

got a laspistol i could try but not been enjoying it since the fire rate nerf

[vague elm]

keeps shooting with no animation

[green grail]

oh the ghost fire thing

[tall torrent]

I strongly recommend pairing knife with a gun that can horde clear

[green grail]

still shoots but animation is bugged

[vague elm]

seems to happen a lot off of swap shooting

which was annoying me enough to not wanna run it anymore lol

[swift ingot]

Fire rate nerf?

[green grail]

yeah ive got a agripinaa braced autogun i can try if i dont feel like the plasma gun is good enough

[halcyon zephyr]

My zealot's autogun is reloaded by the emperor himself.
I assume that's the case because it doesn't do any animation when reloading

[green grail]

yeah they nerfed the fire rate on the laspistol because it was too 'click intensive'

[tall torrent]

What is hadron cooking

[swift ingot]

Don’t let Hadron cook

[fleet garden]

any agripinaa users here

[swift ingot]

She only knows how to use a toaster

[tall torrent]

Which agripinaa

[fleet garden]

the best one

[tall torrent]

There’re so many agripinaa pattern guns in this game

[swift ingot]

Yeah be specific please

[vague elm]

was wondering about this one

[fleet garden]

I want the best mk compared to columnus 5

[tall torrent]

Agripinaa mk1 is kind of like a headhunter/infantry autogun hybrid
Lowest anti-armor dps, but hits the best breakpoints

Agripinaa mk8 is generally considered the best braced autogun

Agripinaa mk14 is the funny fanfire revolver

[fleet garden]

how is the mk1 vs. columnus mk5?

[tall torrent]

Lower dps, better breakpoints

Also worse dodge distance

[swift ingot]

I absolutely love the agri iag

[tall torrent]

Agripinaa mk1 with 30% weakpoint and both 5% ranged dmg nodes can 1 tap all shooters in the head

[green grail]

laspistol nerf

it was a recon lasrifle for a while with weapon specialist

[swift ingot]

Yeah they nerfed it’s fire rate back to what it was

[green grail]

made me sad haha

[fleet garden]

I need a new wep to roll

[vague elm]

What guns would you say horde clear?

[fleet garden]

I am mostly done with my farm in sod so need to grind a bit more in darktide now

[tall torrent]

Lawbringer & kantrael shotguns

Braced autoguns? Kinda?

[copper pine]

The agri brato brace is designed to hoard clear

Since it makes the recoil horizontal

[terse idol]

Columnus horde clear

[green grail]

agripina is nice with some builds cos you dont need a whole talent tree dedicated to make it work

[terse idol]

Just because the efficiency is good

[vague elm]

the what

[copper pine]

Yeah, bracing it changes its recoil pattern

[green grail]

agri braced auto - alt fire

[vague elm]

ahhh

gotcha

[fleet garden]

he clears the hoards

[forest scaffold]

pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase don't use your gun to clear hordes

holy fuck pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaase

[serene sage]

the what

[fleet garden]

hoard, like a dragon hoard

[forest scaffold]

Veteran doesn't get flamer

just use literally anything but combat knife

[frozen meadow]

depends what gun

[serene sage]

we have a flamer though

it's called the plasma 😎

[vague elm]

But stabbing stuff is fun

[fleet garden]

flamer at home

[serene sage]

hotter than a flamer in fact

[forest scaffold]

devil claws are right there

power sword is right there

fuckin shovels and combat axes

[vague elm]

thats not stabbing

thats cleaving

[fleet garden]

stab is combat knife

[sour elbow]

I am going to use my gun to horde clear and bring a knife just for you

[fleet garden]

or bayonet

[forest scaffold]

well have fun being useless

[ebon cove]

Should I buy this?

[vague elm]

WHOA

why does it look like that

[forest scaffold]

if you do, you're gambling on second blessing

[serene sage]

yeah

[forest scaffold]

as all it has going on for it now is surgical

[green grail]

that reload speed will be a pain

[copper pine]

It's a browser add on to check while not in game

[green grail]

even with talents

[vague elm]

ooo

can I get details?

[serene sage]

a godsend, btw

[serene sage]

google armoury exchange darktide

it's not even a mod, just a browser addon

[sharp ember]

if one felt the urge to shoot a horde because you know you won’t run dry, I recommend a gun with good ammo and 2.0 cleave mass. So the Agri Brauto or the Agri IAG

[fleet garden]

all ammo is mine

[sharp ember]

kantrael and lawbringer shotguns are also quite capable

just don’t spend ALL your ammo

[green grail]

i like blasting conga lines away with a plasmagun

[vague elm]

ty

[sharp ember]

stares at this gunlugger ogryn i had whose default action was shooting scattered idle mobs

[frozen meadow]

when do I want to use charged attack on plasma gun

on big health units?

[green grail]

when you dont have blaze away or can oneshot with the tag bonus damage

if you use it

[sharp ember]

basically only when you can 1-shot 6 elites all lined up before they disperse

[green grail]

^

[frozen meadow]

ok

and just making sure, volatile makes light charged attacks charge faster right?

[sharp ember]

i think it’s any shot

[frozen meadow]

fantastic, just got a volatile 4 from a gift

[forest scaffold]

BIGGEST GETS MOSTEST

[still nebula]

Weapons, blessings and keystones are overrated! Just nade everything
https://youtu.be/UTq4va0IXsQ?si=JapljhLx8HuDDzuw&t=230

[forest scaffold]

oh boy

darktide clickbait youtube videos

[frozen meadow]

I know a lvl 1 gets hot should probably change but what else should I change

[forest scaffold]

critical hit damage to maniac

[green grail]

maniac damage

[sharp ember]

sobbing watching 2 poxwalkers eat 40 stubber rounds

[frozen meadow]

ok ty

[forest scaffold]

Yeah. . . you can make a gameplay loop as braindead simple as possible and people will still fuck it up.

Like minesweeper

[sharp ember]

This GRENADE build is INSANE (AURIC META)

[tight dragon]

with a few points in melee crit i'm actually surprised at how good that shit is

might try to make an actual good knife

[sharp ember]

okay but all grenade nodes with shredder nades really is great fun

it’s basically vet’s 4th keystone

[forest scaffold]

so is VoC with all three red nodes

that doesn't mean I'm super interested in running it

[sharp ember]

luv me no-revive shout

luv me big shout radius to deflect bursters and trappers and flamers

[forest scaffold]

The only thing that makes me upset about vet shout is that revive just isn't worth the point

The cooldown is literally irrelevant

when vet gets access to -6 seconds off ult cooldown per special kill

speaking of

Vet's shout should NEVER have had its CD buffed

never ever

just fatshark listening to the bads without critically engaging with the talent first.

45 seconds should be the baseline, and you could reasonably argue for 60 seconds due to the CDR talent

[vale ledge]

Dude I remember unintentionally getting a good roll of a plasma gun, let it sit in my inventory for 3 days using a crappy plasma gun and only then realizing

OH SHIT THATS A GOOD ROLL-

[sharp ember]

me when a dog wave is coming

[vale ledge]

That all ever happened to you? You don’t realize you have a good gun and when you do your Unironically suprised?

[tight dragon]

i'm sad that they fixed the funny number

[green grail]

VoC wouldnt be so unanimously used if the other options didnt have 15 nodes to make either of them useful

[hollow ibex]

ehhh

[green grail]

somewhat

[hollow ibex]

exec stance / left side is fine imo

[vale ledge]

I yearn for a Krieg commissar uniform

[hollow ibex]

infil is fine, but the pathing is really bad for it

[frozen meadow]

I don't have any good blessings for plasma gun

what else is good to pair with volatile

[green grail]

shattering?

[vale ledge]

I wish vet had a stubber

Not the linked one

Just like regular ol stubber

[tight dragon]

is there any point using knife VI over III?

[austere mica]

No PC4 but how is this for when I find it?

[green grail]

heavy attacks have some width for horde clear

[vale ledge]

No power cycle 🤮

[austere mica]

I said that

[tight dragon]

decent, swap infested and slaughterer for PC when you can

[green grail]

pc4 doesnt exist.... 😦

[vale ledge]

I’m partially stoned right now so bare with me

[austere mica]

Thank

[sharp ember]

a wonderful baseline to optimize when you find PC4

[tight dragon]

humble flex

[vale ledge]

Power cycle 4 is that hard to get?

[sharp ember]

not as bad as it used to be, but seeking any specific tier 4 is a pain in the ass

[vale ledge]

Huh guess I got something to brag about then

[green grail]

clearly photoshopped... that cant exist for real

[civic knot]

Buy?

[gray belfry]

got that with rampage instead of brumo. pc4 really does make it so much better to use

[vale ledge]

Abysmal defenses

[sharp ember]

dry, only thing it has going for it is Maniac, and i don't like those Defenses either

[civic knot]

defenses are a dump stat tho, no?

it wont make a difference, mark my words

[sharp ember]

yes, but still try to strive for at least a 350 base

[inland orchid]

Im bout to be the same with a pen, stone away battle brother

[sharp ember]

it has push cost in it, and pushing is good

[vale ledge]

Strive for 375 in base stats

[green grail]

defences at atleast 50+ is nice for dancing around hordes with the dodge bonuses

[vale ledge]

(If your lucky)

[sharp ember]

dump stats are "least valuable" rather than "actively strive to keep low"

[vale ledge]

What’s the highest in base stats you can get again?

[tight dragon]

380

[inland orchid]

380

[sharp ember]

380, or 80 in all but one stat which will be 60

[austere mica]

I have a 379 plasma gun

[vague elm]

How was the knife run

[forest scaffold]

you're gambling on the second blessing

you want decimator+uncanny strike and flak+maniac

You can at least guarantee flak

[green grail]

hits like a truck if you crit with the finesse blessing up

[forest scaffold]

but you're gambling on rolling deci or uncanny next

[tight dragon]

yeah i'll just stick to knife III, bleed light spam already delets hordes

i just need to roll lacerate instead of bleed on crit

[vague elm]

I've enjoyed this setup

[inland orchid]

Cool name for ur knife

[slender turtle]

Ive learned the power of the Rashad Caxe on a stealth vet. absolutely slaps more than the PS. less having to power up all the time

[green grail]

yeah that would work wonders haha im gonna try see max damage with VoC buffs up see if it gets close to zealot backstab damage

[tight dragon]

is that what people usually run for knife? i though lacerate / uncanny was the meta

[green grail]

lacerate probably better for horde and mercy for weakspot one shotting stuff, depends on playstyle i guess

i prefer the oneshot over bleed spam

[vague elm]

This with the bleed talent and stamina curio feels really good with blockshove attacks

it also does pretty good for horde clear cuz of mercy killer and bleed talent

[green grail]

you have the talent for getting your bleed off but its 2 talents out the way to grab it so yeah

[vague elm]

yeah

[green grail]

i think uncanny/mercy is better for vet and lacerate is better on zealot

imo

[vague elm]

I agree

I just cant decide on a gun

[green grail]

though my fav zealot melee is crusher cos big bonks

[quasi socket]

melk only dropping ps with supercharge...pc/bm4 grind gonna kill me

[green grail]

same for me with knife vet

[inland orchid]

Stay strong battle brother, don’t gamble with brunts

It will only net in lost plasteel

[green grail]

plasma is 'ok' but you end up in awkward situations alot

[rancid echo]

plasma is bonkers strong, hard to go back to anything else after

[quasi socket]

yeah thats the problem, my only other choice...

[inland orchid]

Do not give in

I’ve made that mistake on my witch, all dup blessings

[green grail]

i only ever roll 1-3 blessings at a time.... if i do more i swear it auto gives you duplicates

[devout comet]

What would you guys overall say is the veterans role in a team composition?

[vague elm]

To have fun

[timid otter]

Shoot things

[devout comet]

Currently writing up some potential reworks to improve the class (especially the neglected and not usefulparts) so being more spesfic might help

[inland orchid]

Oh he want good informative words?

More krak

[timid otter]

Its more interesting to focus on a subclass rather then an archetype.

[vague elm]

also why is the lawbringer good?

can anyone explain to me?

[timid otter]

If one was to take every vet talent, vet wouldnt have any negatives, thereby could do every job.

[devout comet]

Yea but I'm not trying to do that

[timid otter]

Thereby by that logic any number of builds can be done to counter any enemy/fulfill any job.

[devout comet]

I'm just focused on making the weird parts that aren't of any use useful, like why does it have a movement coherency

[quasi socket]

rolling with randoms -> gap filler, finding whatever isnt covered by anyone else and handling it.
premade group? specialist/back line hunter and support, plasma to nuke anything outside melee range and grenades for mauler/crusher/monstrosity bleed control

[devout comet]

That seems counter intuitive

[merry glade]

I would kill for a +resist to bursters on trinkets. only thing that consistently fricks me over

[timid otter]

The only themes i personally can find with vet is that they generally tend to offer more burst damage, team support then other classes.

Grenades act with high damage, quickly, same with guns.

[devout comet]

Bad timing lol

[quasi socket]

i wish they had a specialist trainer tutorial that showed people how to actually push them and not nuke team mates with them

[timid otter]

Vet also has more support talents, mechanics then other classes like ammo aura, voice of command or even well played infiltrate for revives.

[devout comet]

Ok so far I've got team support and special killer

This works well with what I have in mind

[timid otter]

Thing is melee vet isnt more of a special killer then zealot is.

[green grail]

melee vet is still more ranged based than zealot

or 'can' be

[timid otter]

I think this topic was either way just easier before the talent rework.

[green grail]

what do you mean?

[timid otter]

Classes were more restricted, thereby had clearer roles defined.

[green grail]

ah yeah

[timid otter]

Ex vet was never going to outcompete dedicated melees such as ogryn, zealot.

[green grail]

i think vet was arguably better in someways just before the keystones were added

well probably because of the huge nerfs to everything that we got when they were added

giga tank vets was a bit op tbh

[devout comet]

Personally I disagree with both of you, the freedom of the talent rework leads to far broader builds and roles, only reason it doesn't feel as good is because they didn't really think too hard on how to make vets a good all round team supporter

For instance, the only truly support option for the auras is the survivalist. the damage is nice but can't compete and moment is only gonna only benefit the vet through out the game

[umbral scaffold]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1163114688540848169/1187597617358716959/cadiamockup.jpg?ex=65977778&is=65850278&hm=227b67d697ae10fdc91289f2668dce1ba6ffe4ee7945798a0baa743ae9ed20d8&=&format=webp&width=1440&height=667 GUYS LOOK !

[timid otter]

Why would you need to define the general archetype of the class to say that the auras are bad?

[devout comet]

Wouldn't it make more sense if say one of those was replaced with an increaded reload speed?

[green grail]

only ever said that it used to be better in someways, i only think that currently the upper right side of the tree now is a bit underwhelming

fence sitting ha

[devout comet]

Because it lets us better play into his role and overall better benefit his team

[timid otter]

The thing is im not even sure if fatshark really wants there to be roles in the game

The entire right side of the tree encourages veteran to play melee, while the left side encourages ranged

[merry glade]

i think the tree's fine enough except the auras. survivalist is leagues better than the other two picks, no matter what kind of role you're doing as vet

[green grail]

the right side is confused as hell, smoke grenades are questionable at the best and stealth has 4 nodes to make it useful where as in its base iteration its 'stealth for 8s with movespeed and supression' which is almost nothing other than get out of jail or a ress

[merry glade]

running stealth with 4 nods is... questionable i'd say.

nodes*

[timid otter]

Right side certainly has it's issues

[green grail]

5 points isnt worth it lol

[eternal sable]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-and-milk-gif-26190052

[merry glade]

if you run stealth, you're more like to run 2-3 of its bonus nodes, which puts it somewhat in line with execution stance

[tight dragon]

can you share build? i honestly just grabed the closest crit since i have flesh tearer on my knife kek

[devout comet]

Yea, maybe I'll get my ideas flushed out and then post them on the forums to get better feedback, maybe people will see what I'm getting at then

[merry glade]

whatever you do, i'd find a way to pick up rending. probably swap off exploit weakness for +25tough

[timid otter]

I personally think you are better off going a build that hypothetically would benefit from an aura like 5% movement speed and explain why ammo aura is so much better.

But ammo aura in general outcompetes every aura in the game.

[midnight totem]

I think all I need now is power cycle 5

er, 4

[merry glade]

it'd be nice if they made base aura still exist, like, wot.... 0.5% ammo gain on all auras, and surviv just doubles it.

[green grail]

im pretty sure the only reason 5% movespeed isnt 5% crit is because psyker has that

[midnight totem]

unarmored to flak

[tight dragon]

i'm running columnus and knife, the rending isn't a big deal tbf

[merry glade]

columnus i'd want even more pierce. and probably onslaught as well. but i also dunno what your goal is, so woteva

[tight dragon]

yeah that's what i was running but i need the crit if i want to play knife

so i just use columnus for non carapace

[merry glade]

either way i'd still drop +15% elite dmg for rending.

that's fair if you're more focused on knifing than uh... shooty

[tight dragon]

i'm still considering what guns to use with knife tho

does feel like columnus without onslaugh and rending is pretty meh

[rancid echo]

columnus V

[merry glade]

i think deadshot revolver is probably best. gives you quick, deadly ranged option.

[green grail]

a tier one hadron thanks

[quasi socket]

the real issue in the game, crafting

[merry glade]

and synergizes well with +weakspot

[green grail]

true

[dusk sparrow]

Yeah you're right

[merry glade]

...as well as sniping specialist kills for cdr

[dusk sparrow]

That's why no one runs stealth with all the bonuses

Lol

I only take 1

[gentle maple]

is there a nifty list of current best perks and blessings for all vets weapons somewhere like for other classes?

[merry glade]

it's just people talking aboot builds they're not familiar with

[frozen meadow]

what would be better on this, get's hot lvl 3 or shattering impact lvl 4

[dusk sparrow]

Stealth isn't a 5 point tax unless you want it to be

[rancid echo]

one of my fav builds to play rn is stealth shovel sticky bomber

[green grail]

im more pointing out that there are nodes that are never going to be used pretty much not that it cant be used

[tight dragon]

vet stealth is just worse zealot in every way

[dusk sparrow]

No it's not

[tight dragon]

can't see a reason to pick it over voice

[green grail]

zealot stealth being up every 5-10 seconds is pretty op

[dusk sparrow]

It lasts way longer so you can actually do objectives during the stealth

[merry glade]

stealth vet is pretty sleeper op tbh. tanky and support-focused if you build/play it right.
issue with melee vets i see is they get stuck in the mindset of ONLY doing melee

but you're still amazingly competent at doing normal sharpshooter stuff

[dusk sparrow]

I don't think zealot stealth gets a movement speed buff either right

[quasi socket]

issue with a lot of people is ONLY focusing on one side of the combat and not alternating between them when needed

[merry glade]

they do, i believe

[merry glade]

preach it sis

[quasi socket]

ie: horde on top of player refusing to swap to melee, rip

[green grail]

25% damage on alt weapon kill + weapon specialist is really nice

[tight dragon]

zealot have perma sprint speed bonus

[merry glade]

doesn't help that, like, 95% of youtube build guides are made by people who are actually braindead as they pogface on the thumbnail and give subpar information

[dusk sparrow]

Vets also get power sword and kraks

[dusk sparrow]

Stealth vet is pretty meaningfully different from zealot stealth

[quasi socket]

weapon specialist swapping to melee for atk speed buff, clear horde, refill mag on ranged before swapping to plasma to clear every gunner/bomber/flamer in existance

[merry glade]

yeh. stealth zealot is pretty offensive comapred to vet

[green grail]

yep plasmagun weapon specialist never having to go through that age long reload

[rancid echo]

its not even that long if you anim cancel

[green grail]

it is in the middle of a fight

[merry glade]

i just like filling my revolver quickly while juggling a horde

[quasi socket]

its nice, but getting + team damage from focus target is pretty dope too

[rancid echo]

focus target way nicer imo

[quasi socket]

thats one thing i need to practice, but they'll prolly fix that before they fix the sound bug with plasma

[merry glade]

focus target is eh imo. it gets a lot of value on monstro's, but otherwise

[dusk sparrow]

It gives breakpoints to plasma

[green grail]

yeah focus target is probably overall better for damnation/auric but i like the flow of weapon specialist, just preference

[rancid echo]

not much to practice, just hear the noise and tap sprint

[quasi socket]

damnation and higher, it gets a lot of mileage. granted, usually dont see a fully stacked buff, but constant + damage is nice

[rancid echo]

quite satisfying to cut down the animation time

[green grail]

team damage bonus is mad

[dusk sparrow]

That buff is fully stacked very often

[green grail]

helped on hardmode twins

[dusk sparrow]

Just tag anything you shoot at and it's always capped

[quasi socket]

i still havent done that fight on damnation

[umbral scaffold]

Are these blessings good with this weapon?

[green grail]

focus target + VoC + medipack talent is what i did hardmode with

[flat dock]

Name Suggestions?

Only need about 150

[quasi socket]

wut

[flat dock]

[inland orchid]

Think heavy onomatopoeias

Like clunk or thump

[green grail]

hulk hogryn

[inland orchid]

Should help with like 20 of the names

[flat dock]

Now I wonder what the physical limit is

Must test tomorrow

Might be a couple thousand

[final locust]

they mentioned whe the next update is?

[quasi socket]

willing to bet plasma animation/sound isnt fixed in it

[tall torrent]

You very specifically want onslaught & surgical for helbore lasguns
Also that stopping power is rather low

[final locust]

i meant when it is

rather than what it is

[final locust]

as a non plasma enjoyer, this does not concern me

[umbral scaffold]

just rolled it i'll keep an eye out for those regardless, ty

[quasi socket]

i swap between plasma, columnus mk5, space ak, and helbore mk1, enjoy them all but dont understand how 1 gun is plagued by audio/visual effects for this long.

[final locust]

I use agripinaa braced auto, occasional recon lasgun and one other thing

but mainly the agripinaa braced auto

I like helbores and stuff

but imo most of the laser weapons are outclassed by autoguns, bolters, etc

[quasi socket]

got a kantrael 12 i occasionally play with too

[final locust]

its why im waiting for the hellgun/hotshot lasgun

the auto lasgun you see in all the games needs to be added

for epic lasgun moment

[vague elm]

Sorry I was eating dinner

I'm just testing stuff rn

and theres 2 points for you to add to whatever if you want

[flat escarp]

what should i change ?

[golden nacelle]

that's tough

[quasi socket]

tough spot because 2 bad blessings, 1 meh perk

[golden nacelle]

falter and no respite is a good combo, but I like onslaught and surgical better

yeah, the stagger makes followup shots more difficult is the unfortunate thing

[flat escarp]

well i do have surgical and ounslaght 4 i guess ill go for that

ty

[golden nacelle]

yeah

the flak is nice

ok, thoughts?

[torn root]

Its good, you literally get rewarded for something you are already doing

[quasi socket]

idk anything about the claw series of swords

[golden nacelle]

agreed kuro

[green grail]

rampage higher tier and perk is up to you id go block efficiancy over sprint

[vivid bolt]

Sprint to flak, wrath to savage sweep or shred

[keen wharf]

does anyone know roughly what the percentage of Cleave Sunder has?

[quasi socket]

if FS didnt obfuscate every stat, yes

[vivid bolt]

I’d highly recommend savage sweep though

[golden nacelle]

yeah, I think that would be pretty sweet. carve through those hordes

[torn root]

both cleave and savage sweep are fine, you end up with more cleave on wrath but you should probably make sure you can cleave 3+ guys with your lights or heavies 1st

i would legit settle on either for lvl 4

[keen wharf]

im Running Wrath instead of Sunder for that extra cleave on non powered hits incase i get hit mid swing which tends to save me a lot but im just curious how good Sunder really is plus i want to roll Rampage and Savage Sweep on a decent PS just to see what that's like.

[torn root]

^

[golden nacelle]

is it diminishing returns to have both SS and wrath?

[torn root]

probably, but maybe more damage is beneficial instead of both?

[vivid bolt]

Rampage is mandatory

Just do Flak/Maniac, Savage Sweep/Rampage

You can always swap savage sweep around if you truly hate it but I doubt you will

[golden nacelle]

maybe just higher lvl ravage then, and sprint to flak

[vivid bolt]

Makes the claw fuck hard

Nah

Tier 3 is fine

[golden nacelle]

stick with the lvl 4 wrath

[torn root]

i woudl legit keep the wrath lmao

[keen wharf]

its sad how this is my best PS.

[vivid bolt]

savage sweep is preferred due to it proccing with rampage

[torn root]

you have the 2 slots to get the perk you need and the blessing

[golden nacelle]

yeah, I can see why savage is preferred

but wrath will ramp up to the same cleave fairly quickly

I might think on it a bit before I decide

[alpine orbit]

if i want to hit the most breakpoints should i switch crucian roullette with deadly accurate or switch specialist for flak?

[golden nacelle]

I'm used to chainsword, where I horde clear with light attacks

[keen wharf]

if you have max finesse you'll get Wrath in no time with normal attacks.

plus it lasts longer then Savage Sweep i think.

[vivid bolt]

Issue is

Well no

Wrath lasts the same or lesser time

If you miss on a Wrath weapon, the stacks just go away

Unlike a SS weapon

It’s a straight upgrade

[golden nacelle]

ah

[keen wharf]

i do think Wrath is a little more consistent though if you dont miss.

[vivid bolt]

You in general

Will have a quicker proc and longer uptime with savage sweep

[golden nacelle]

makes sense

[vivid bolt]

Because the proc condition is literally swing at 3 enemies

[tall torrent]

Wrath on chainsword is in my experience a little better

Because light spam comes out fast and deal ok dmg

[vivid bolt]

It’s just got better synergy with Rampage and overall it’d be better to change wrath. You can always swap it out later, etc

[tall torrent]

DC swords want savage sweep

[torn root]

neither of them change the play style

[tall torrent]

But rly they’re kinda interchangeable for chainswords

[green grail]

i think the parry puts them above

[keen wharf]

Heavy swing with Rampage on a Flak Rager goes from 1200 roughly to 1600 with PS. but that also means i need to take the time to power sword up again then swing instead of light swing 3 times, so roughly the same time to kill a Rager regardless if i use Rampage or not.

[green grail]

parry>heavy strikedown on ragers gets it done i think

not sure if thats with perk bonus damage tho

[keen wharf]

i can light swing with my PS 3 times and it kills a Rager.

[tall torrent]

Power swords functionally work very differently from the other swords lol

[keen wharf]

without Rampage, just Wrath & Power Cycler.

[green grail]

parry is get out of jail free card if you get caught off by a crusher lol saved me loads

[tall torrent]

The meta for power sword is power cycler + brutal momentum/sunder

Sunder outclasses wrath pretty heavily

[keen wharf]

but with Power Cycler Swapped out for Rampage, it takes so long to kill Ragers with light swing, like 6 hits and you need to charge it.

[inland orchid]

Me stuck in a corner due to a chaos spawn giving me the business(but I have devils claw):

[keen wharf]

yeah thats why im curious what the Cleave % is on Sunder, but i do have moments where if im swarmed i dont have time to charge it.

[inland orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/filthy-frank-screaming-confused-confused-screaming-gif-15736028

[tall torrent]

Sunder I think is 400% cleave? Something like that? And it also gives you a minimum "4 targets hit" cleave

[green grail]

powerfist when FS

[tall torrent]

the main point is "minimum 4 targets hit"

[green grail]

https://tenor.com/view/i-cast-fist-tts-warhammer-40k-gif-16057546

[keen wharf]

Pain. i dont think ill ever roll a perfect 550 PS with both Sunder and Power Cycler.

[tall torrent]

You don’t need 550 anyway

[green grail]

im pretty sure you dont need max rolls for the big breakpoints

on most weapons

[keen wharf]

i know, but this just makes me happy, even if the Cleave Damage is 20% lower then it should be.

its the only 550 out of all classes i have sadly since i dont really spend 1mil at a time for 5 decent weapons only to roll the blessings i dont want.

[green grail]

i mean i'd prefer finesse with crit over cleave? or is finesse not crit damage like on other weapons

[tall torrent]

That is a pretty sad 550

[dusk sparrow]

Fishing for 550 is kinda pointless

[keen wharf]

the lower Cleave Damage and Wrath makes it feel clunky.

[green grail]

my devils claw has low finesse and makes it a pain but only saving grace is vet attack speed talents

[dusk sparrow]

You can get a 530 which is much better than that lol

[quasi socket]

i dont care to have a perfectly stat'd weapon, just let me pay extra to unlock the other perks/blessings to fix a decent one hadron decided should be a paper weight

[tall torrent]

Rating is not that relevant anyways

[torn root]

i wish youg ot mobility and cleave swapped

would be goated

[serene sage]

👍

[dusk sparrow]

Locked in wrath is kinda sad

[balmy flume]

Incidentally - what is the actual strat for the twins?

[dusk sparrow]

It's easiest if you have an ogryn tanking rinda

[quasi socket]

deplete their health before they deplete yours

[keen wharf]

my other 3 power swords.

[dusk sparrow]

Everyone else splits up duties

Mine clearing/add clear/boss damage

[keen wharf]

im annoyed the Mk IV got the decent roll but i prefer the Mk III's attack pattern.

[balmy flume]

Do you have to memorise where the non-poison fog spots are?

[dusk sparrow]

I think the first one is random

After that, it always swaps to the opposite side

[golden nacelle]

Unyielding to Flak for last mod on this yeah?

[balmy flume]

Ah ok, yea, was struggling a bit with dealing with the whole fog mechanic when trying it blind in the past lol

[dusk sparrow]

As far as I can tell it always spawns in the same places after the first one

But kinda hard to know for sure in a circular arena lol

[keen wharf]

with the cleared area's in the poison fog, there's a pattern you can notice when its just about to chage places and can run through the fog as the cleared spot spawns, its something todo with the columns of fog that drop down.

[balmy flume]

If you end up on the wrong spot during the non-fog bits it doesn’t help to reach the safe spot with 90% corruption lol

[dusk sparrow]

For that you just have to be wary of when fog is about to start

And look for the spotlight

It helps to have book zealot/taunt ogryn to force a path

[balmy flume]

Also is it random or predetermined
As to whether you can ring the bell to jump to the boss fight
Or the infiltration fails and you have to fight the entire map?

[dusk sparrow]

It's not random

Someone in your party has to have beaten it on hard mode to unlock the bell

[balmy flume]

Ah ok, thanks

[dusk sparrow]

You can cheese it a bit by beating hard mode on uprising so that you can redo attempts in damnation faster

[forest blaze]

That’s what we did

[dusk sparrow]

Yeah same

[golden nacelle]

oh, thats smart

[vivid bolt]

Yea

[balmy flume]

I was PUGing so I had no idea between he differences lol

[vivid bolt]

No

They just had to complete the puzzle

That’s all

[dusk sparrow]

Oh really

[vivid bolt]

Yes

[balmy flume]

Puzzle?

[dusk sparrow]

You can do the puzzle and fail?

[terse idol]

You can only see the bells when you beat it once no?

[dusk sparrow]

Lol

[terse idol]

Yes the twins have a secret hardmode

[keen wharf]

i just use my Psyker with Smite to get 100% Peril once ive thrown the enemies around and just purge my way to the other side since it constantly regens my Toughness which is kinda busted.

[terse idol]

You have to ring a few bells around the map

Then a teleporter or something opens

[dusk sparrow]

There's a steam guide on it

[vivid bolt]

Literally the puzzle went like this

[balmy flume]

interesting

[vivid bolt]

A few people beat it

[terse idol]

Then you fight the hardmode twins

[dusk sparrow]

That was released like 2 hours after the patch somehow

[vivid bolt]

And then it spread like wildfire with super hard mode access

[balmy flume]

Aaahhhh ok thanks

[dusk sparrow]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2995700310

It's probably possible to pug that fight on hard mode

I sure didn't though

[eternal venture]

It is

I got my first clear in random matchmaking

[dusk sparrow]

Nice

[eternal venture]

I got lucky though

[terse idol]

Yeah its just incredibly difficult depending on the pugg

Because you do need dps

[eternal venture]

You’ll definitely have an easier time with a premade

[dusk sparrow]

Yeah the dps requirement is kind of intense

With all the maulers/crushers that spawn

[terse idol]

I mean yeah to dps the twins too

[eternal venture]

So long as people have decent target focus and save their burst for when one of the twins’ shields breaks, you can phase the twins pretty easily

[dusk sparrow]

If you don't kill the adds fast you get overwhelmed

[terse idol]

I saw a video of a team killing them in 6 minutes

[dusk sparrow]

Oh yeah that too

[eternal venture]

Most people panic and start kiting huge mobs by themselves though

You want someone on minesweeper duty, too

[dusk sparrow]

Yeah I think that's really important

[eternal venture]

someone like an Ogryn with bull rush

[dusk sparrow]

90% of promising runs end to the arena getting flooded with mines

[eternal venture]

Sprint along the perimeter of a stack of bombs to detonate them with little to no damage

Corruption resist REALLY helps btw

If you’re struggling and don’t have corruption resist, swap your usual gunner resist out for corruption resist

[dusk sparrow]

We just dodged out of the way

[eternal venture]

Gunner Res is useless in this fight

But corruption resist will mitigate the corruption you take from stray mines by quite a bit

[dusk sparrow]

I didn't see how they cleared the mines because I was tanking as ogryn, but i think they just used any spare space they had to clear them out

[eternal venture]

A zealot with Chorus also helps immensely

Chorus stunlocks the bosses through their shields, and it leaves them completely open if you pop it when their shields get broken

I think half my first clear on Ogryn was spent either on cleaning up mines or on tanking/kiting Rinda lol

[dusk sparrow]

Ogryn is pretty optimal for the fight ngl

[swift ingot]

Correct

[umbral granite]

Entered a public game where all 4 of us were veterans with an infantry lasgun and mk4 chainsword.

Only way i can summarize the mission would be to say "Cadia Stands!"

[odd summit]

how do?

[umbral scaffold]

Methinks thrust to uncanny strike

[idle carbon]

could swap out either blessing for uncanny strike

[sharp ember]

what is your dodge limit with that mobility

[idle carbon]

I have uncanny/thrust, works fine on damnation

[normal pawn]

How much is 5% more damage worth on an infantry autogun for dealing with T.O.O HM?

[umbral scaffold]

I tested skullcrusher and thrust a bit on the mk3 and noticed little difference for crusher kills

[odd summit]

4

[umbral scaffold]

Except skullcrusher also makes light spam better

I tried the blue shovel and the heavy special felt really slow tbh

[idle carbon]

if you're running a comamndo vet and chug speed stimms like an addict, you can really get that attack speed up

[versed merlin]

is skullcrusher better than decimator?

[umbral scaffold]

Well, depends

For hordes not exactly

But it applies to the special per hit

[idle carbon]

it's more a personal pick IMO
I have decimator on my OG sapper shovel, works great

[umbral scaffold]

When you hit a heavy special on someone, the second tick already benefits from skullcrusher

[versed merlin]

how about mixed hordes or isolated elite packs?

ohhh

[sonic skiff]

hey gamers

[versed merlin]

i see i seee

that seems pretty good for dealing with elites

[sonic skiff]

brauto braced is supposed to have a hitmarker right

or a crosshair in general

[umbral scaffold]

Ye

[sonic skiff]

uh oh

is it a known bug to not have one lmfao

[idle carbon]

mod options, go to extended weapon customization, go to Scopes, turn off Disable Crosshair

[sonic skiff]

thank you

thought that might be the issue

[idle carbon]

we've been begging grasman to turn that off by default :P

[umbral scaffold]

I twisted my talents a bit to get weakspot and elites on the left to dab on crushers

[sonic skiff]

lmfao i put a scope on it at first, realized it wouldnt do shit, then didnt take it off for aesthetics

[umbral scaffold]

I think that plus the finesse and melee on the right side and elites on the shovel allows you to do a heavy special and light special to kill the crusher

And outright deletes the twat on a crit

[versed merlin]

oh damn

and its not hard to get a crit with weap spec too

fuck time to build a new shovel

[sonic skiff]

what keystone do yall use with brauto

[idle carbon]

shovels are good

[sonic skiff]

i usually use swap but it feels kinda weird

[umbral scaffold]

I need to farm another shovel to see if I can get away with just elites or need carapace

[versed merlin]

ikik my favorite loadout is agr shotty with mk7 shovel weap spec

[umbral scaffold]

So I can get idfk unyielding maybe

[idle carbon]

funny that, I haven't used a brauto on my vet since the class rework dropped and I lost my reload on ult
plenty of other weapons are fun to use that go better with the build options

[versed merlin]

brauto gets no benefit from weap spec because only your first shot gets the crit chance buff

[idle carbon]

I have the emperor's own agrip brauto on my zealot though

[umbral scaffold]

The new vet shovels are really nice

[versed merlin]

yes they are

fucking amazing

i just dont know the difference between mk 3 and 7

[sonic skiff]

mostly use it to magdump into surprise ragers after i clear the horde

[versed merlin]

ideally, you want either no keystone at all or tag keystone

[umbral scaffold]

I noticed the mk3's heavy special was much faster and it has a strikedown heavy

[versed merlin]

because tag will increase the damage taken by each one of your shots

[umbral scaffold]

But I don't remember if the mk7 has more damage on the heavy special to make up for the speed

[idle carbon]

mk7 is more horde focused
mk3 is more elites focused
though you can make both work well

[versed merlin]

dont think so, mk7 special overhead is with light attack, while heavy is a wide attack

[idle carbon]

the mk7 is most like the OG sapper shovel except with the new shovel special, so it's nice for muscle memory

[versed merlin]

ye pretty much

i havent tried mk 3

but if im going to delete elites, might as well build a mk3

[idle carbon]

the push into overhead is very nice for dealing with... basically everything tbh

alas the mk3 doesn't have that

[swift ingot]

Single target push attacks are hella underrated

[umbral scaffold]

I use push attack and heavy on the mk3

[idle carbon]

both marks have overhead lights/heavies when the special is active

[versed merlin]

wait really?

huh i thought mk7 was a wide attack

[idle carbon]

it's got a wide heavy if the special isn't active, yes

[umbral scaffold]

The special heavy is a bit more angled, but still single-target to my knowledge

The mk3's specials are both very vertical

[sonic skiff]

im still debating if new revolver with shout n swap is better/more fun than going full exe stance with target

[umbral scaffold]

The 7's heavy special is angled idfk 45 degrees to the right for some reason

[idle carbon]

eh, it works

[sonic skiff]

exe stance leads big dmg but not having melee buffs or shout feels very very weak sometimes

[idle carbon]

that's what the power sword is for

[umbral scaffold]

I can't play exec stance to save my life

I just roll with smoke, stealth and wep specialist

[sonic skiff]

psword feels weird to me

[versed merlin]

speaking about psword

I FINALLY FUCKING GOT IT

[umbral scaffold]

Real and true bestie

Slayyyyyy

[versed merlin]

im part of the 1% now

[idle carbon]

my personal gripe against the mk3, despite it's superior special, is you don't really have easy access to an overhead
it's like the claw4 vs the claw7

[umbral scaffold]

I just loop l1 and h2

Slower than I wish, considering I'm used to the knife's headshot damage

But

[idle carbon]

that's the thing, you have to lightly wap something before you can actually start to kill it
and when you're dealing with an angry rager in your face and you're out of ammo, and your chain keeps getting reset, you don't really have that luxuary

[versed merlin]

also

what perks should i look for on psword?

flakiac?

[idle carbon]

last I checked, if you want to two-shot crushers using push stab into overhead w/o vet mark, you need carapace/elites

there's very few breakpoints it reaches with perk buffs

[frozen meadow]

Nice

I swear power cycler glitches for me though

How many powered hits do you get without power cycler?

[spark helm]

1

[frozen meadow]

Oh then I am stupid I thought it was 2

[spark helm]

You'll still do your cleave with it so at higher densities you're much easier to be overrun.

[umbral scaffold]

PC3 is basically mandatory for the carapace funnies

[frozen meadow]

Power cycler 4 is much better than I thought then

Can kill basically anything with it

[spark helm]

Headshots with it versus mixed hordes is where you'll be shut down really hard without power cycle 3-4

[neat sluice]

im seething

you lucky bastard

It evades me another day

[frozen meadow]

I think I have a blessing that lets me ignore enemy hit mass or something

[spark helm]

You'll just have to watch your normal power sword ram into something thick enough eventually and it get bad from there lol

[frozen meadow]

Since it chews through literally anything

[versed merlin]

the best part of it is that i spent more plasteel to get pc3 than pc4 w

[spark helm]

Yeah people usually run brutal momentum. Having 4 is ideal, but 2 is decent enough from my experience for now.

Currently at 3.

[frozen meadow]

I just got good rng

[neat sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-gif-24341837

[frozen meadow]

I think I have 3 too

[neat sluice]

hadron fucking hates me

i hate her

mechanical wench

[frozen meadow]

My best drops have been from emperors gifts

[versed merlin]

took me around 30k plasteel to get pc3, then i spent around 10k plasteel on good pswords only to get pc4

[sonic skiff]

wait is this still really rare

[neat sluice]

YES

WWHAT

[frozen meadow]

I get awful stuff from normal using the rng

[sonic skiff]

oh

good thing it dropped for me yesterday

lmfao

[neat sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/im-dead-dead-bruh-skeleton-dead-bruh-skeleton-dead-im-dead-bruh-gif-26854866

[sonic skiff]

i hate psword tho so

[frozen meadow]

It feels so good

[fresh mango]

is this any good? Havent used autoguns in a hot minute

[versed merlin]

its the worst of the headhunter family im sorry

[spark helm]

Honestly, if you're like a first time person, going through all four classes to max before deciding on one that you want to mess with more gives you a lot of money to be able to just start rotating brunt sales and building more blessings over time for a quick collection boost.

Depending on your rng, you'll likely have something comfortable and reliable from the get-go so farming won't be immediately awful.

[fresh mango]

oh.

[frozen meadow]

Damn I wish I had surgical

[neat sluice]

all the plasteel from my other classes goes into my main

[spark helm]

One way to do it

[versed merlin]

are you a vet main

[neat sluice]

a dirty one

[frozen meadow]

I really want to play psyker but don't like the peril gauge mechanic , same with sienna in rats

[neat sluice]

😉

[midnight totem]

that being said, the stats and blessings on the autogun are pretty good

[fresh mango]

well, can I at least salvage this?

[midnight totem]

give it a try and see if it suits you

[spark helm]

Maybe give it another chance. It's a lot easier to manage than vermintide and you can even forgo some of it.

[neat sluice]

Do you guys upgrade your blues to orange

or just stick with upgrading blues to pull blessings

[versed merlin]

i do

[spark helm]

If it's promising for me or I just want to pad my blessing collection and roll for a new one sure.

[fresh mango]

i full on hail marry and go from grey to orange everytime

[versed merlin]

orange gives you higher chance of getting tier 4 blessings

[frozen meadow]

Will do, I just finished zealot though so I am loving shooting things again as vet and ogryn

[neat sluice]

chad and ballsy

[spark helm]

I got a lot of weapons I just don't use that share some solid blessing pools so I figure why not.

[fresh mango]

Yessir its how i got my Psword

[versed merlin]

yep same here