veteran-class

[lusty jetty]

Marksman Focus v good

[terse idol]

Its really good

[lusty jetty]

The whole "bUt yOu nEeD tO mOvE" thing is overrated

[half rose]

"stand still and never move build" "tagging a single enemy once every 30 seconds build" yeah bro ill pass lmao

[terse idol]

Focus is fine

[slow garden]

Krak grenades too useful, I always dump my extra points into nade improvements

[terse idol]

Because!

[slow garden]

I'd rather have krak nades than either keystone myself

[trim steppe]

They are all good in the right circumstances but yeah, quite underwhelming compared to other class keystones which fundamentally change the way you'll play the build

[terse idol]

You shouldn't want to stand still like a turret anyways

[lusty jetty]

Marksman Focus stacks build and stay up fast

The whole "don't move" thing is ridiculous and overplayed

[inland orchid]

Easy fix, swap all talent nodes to things that alter/empower the kraks

[terse idol]

I think marksmens focus is harder to pull off because you feel obligated to get the 10 stacks but play like you normally play exec stance

[cinder wing]

what are our best guns rn?

[slow garden]

Yes please

[terse idol]

And you'll make value

[lusty jetty]

You get 10 stacks so so so fast without even trying

[slow garden]

Give me a pure krak build and I will crack out on krak

[lusty jetty]

Every single engagement

[terse idol]

Don't over think marksmens focus

[lusty jetty]

Literally don't think about move/don't move

Just move as you would

You get and keep stacks

[slow garden]

Kraks save runs for me, more important than stacks impo

Focus will alas never compare to being able to reactively kill an entire wave of flak and ogryn

Krak is king

[inland orchid]

You got big pew pews for hordes, strong pew pew for elites/specialists and a lil mix of both on infantry autoguns

[trim steppe]

Yeah I agree jarude, the focus on movement as a play style is wrong. Just ignore it and shoot heads, the mechanic will play out as it wants to but it's very easy to keep a full stack while running around like a madman

[lusty jetty]

Like... a single group of specialists means max stacks in one second

[lost lake]

Anyone got a good lasgun build? I've been using plasma a lot and it seems my lasguns aren't doing enough dmg to keep up

[slow garden]

Some lasguns do, Helbore is good

Use the bayonet on it though

Otherwise you will spend so much time swapping weapons that running the thing becomes pointless

[trim steppe]

I find literally all the lasguns unplayable in this game iteration but I'm in the minority. Most people hate recons but love the others

[slow garden]

Recons kinda bad imo

Bad ttk

Just needs a damage buff really

Everything else on the gun is fine

[torn inlet]

They had one moment then got nerfed hard

[copper pine]

Yeah, marksman focus is very strong, people just lose their minds when they read you lose stacks and write it off

[lusty jetty]

Yes

[copper pine]

It's a very strong keystone

[slow garden]

I may try focus with like, columnus or something someday

[lost lake]

Funnily enough my recent lasgun build was recon and it was decent enough but I wanted to see what was the refined build in this meta

[lusty jetty]

Like... it needs the movement debuff to keep it balanced

Otherwise too OP

[slow garden]

My current weapons I dont see the value though, versus getting all my krak grenade bonuses

krak saves lives

[trim steppe]

Shhhhhhhhhhh hardly anyone plays it RN anyway, no need to suggest nerfs shhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[terse idol]

Kantrael la as far as I've been playing performs decent

Recon is poopy

Won't stop anyone from playing recon but recon bad

[tall torrent]

I highly recommend helbore lasguns

[copper pine]

The las pistols are real strong as well

[trim steppe]

Recons have the worst damage output of any vet weapon. All the infantry lasguns are good, with 1a being best and 12 being least good. Helbores are good with people generally favoring the 3 but all are good. That said I hate all of them

[tall torrent]

Idk who’s favouring the mk3 helbore, most people I see prefer mk1 and mk2

[slow garden]

Forget which it is, I like the higher damage one with the big bayonet

God its hard to get out of the habit of switching to melee though

[tall torrent]

Mk3 has the worst bayonet moveset

[trim steppe]

That's just according to what I read on here 🤷‍♂️

[tall torrent]

Mk1 and mk2 are literally “gun on a spear”

[modest sapphire]

for the "hit 5 enemies with frag without it bouncing", does it need to be the unupgraded one?

[slow garden]

Isn't there a higher damage variant between the 1 and 2?

That one

[tall torrent]

It just needs to be frag grenade, shredder frag works

[tall torrent]

1 does a little more damage but it only matters in a couple breakpoints

[slow garden]

It's the Helbore 1 then

I have a strong preference to guns that one and done

[modest sapphire]

is it just 5 total enemies or does one grenade have to pinball off of 5 dudes in a hoarde?

[slow garden]

Just 5 total enemies

[tall torrent]

Blast hit 5 enemies

[slow garden]

Throw it at long range

[sinful jacinth]

Is the mk7 shovel any good?

[midnight totem]

It's good

[half rose]

is the mk3 shovel any good

[midnight totem]

Better horde on its heavies

[copper pine]

Throw it from long enough away that it explodes mid air

[midnight totem]

Hitting the head is a bit more difficult on its alt attack

But you'll get used to it

[sinful jacinth]

Might as well give it a go then. Was a decent shovel in the shops.

[modest sapphire]

oh shit, didnt realize the explosion was nececary

[tall torrent]

Mk1 can one headshot both flamers without crits at 13m+, and could one tap scab ragers in the head

Mk2 has faster reload, lower ammo consumption, better kill time against mauler & crusher, the same one headshot kill power vs both gunners & shotgunners, and shoots faster

[modest sapphire]

can one cook the grenade? im new to vet

[tall torrent]

Mk2 can still 1 tap both flamers in the head but needs surgical to build crit chance, or you can bayonet them in the head for guaranteed 1 hit kill

[copper pine]

No, they have a set timer

[modest sapphire]

cool thanks for the tips yall

[trim steppe]

There's a bunch of places on various maps with big distances, you just gotta throw it far enough that it explodes in mid air. A specific example would be the huge room before the ascender on the prison mission, or at the boss room of the same mission (hit the catwalk)

Just throw it high above a distant horde and let it explode over their heads, done ez

[serene sage]

Honestly this probably it

[terse idol]

Its the issue that alot of balance discussion is based around... the strongest weapons
Infantry Las guns are perfectly acceptable

[lusty jetty]

all headhunters are great in close

ez hedshots

[terse idol]

The mission with the train is also a good place

Cause when you reach extraction

Throw grenades onto hordes on the platform

But you gotta look up

[modest sapphire]

i literally just loaded into a t2 dificulty, got one off of beast of nurgle, and apparently it was the last one i needed. now im done lol

also... why did a beast of nurgle spawn 5 seconds in on a t2? the director must take player level into account

[idle dirge]

What mission was it?

[trim steppe]

Sometimes it just be that way

[modest sapphire]

hab dreyko

[trim steppe]

This was higher difficulty but one time I had 6 daemonhost spawns. Director really wanted us dead

[serene sage]

kill things get home early what's to complain

[serene sage]

I think lights out spawn more DHs as well

[serene sage]

what is a perfectly balanced weapon?

is there anything in game that is not too strong, not too weak?

probably the Kantrael infrantry las series?

unassuming, does its job

[atomic zephyr]

if i wanted to run a boltgun what blessings would i aim for?

surgical pinning fire?

[serene sage]

do you like ADSing or hipfire more?

[atomic zephyr]

ads

[serene sage]

then yeah surgical pinning fire

and whatever you build, take Determined

[terse idol]

Well yeah something that is in line with similar weapons imo

[atomic zephyr]

of course lol

[serene sage]

[terse idol]

The exceptions we see
Columnus
Revolver
Pgun

[serene sage]

yeah

nerf them

i honestly think Columnus is okay

because it lacks the pinpoint accuracy

[idle dirge]

Give the revolver a 1 bullet capacity

[serene sage]

just nerf it to 2 cleave and slightly reduce ammo reserve

and buff back hand canon

[terse idol]

I'm... not convinced, yeah it won't be instant pinpoint but, crouch and tap fire a sniper and it'll die

[serene sage]

plasma balance can be balnced by significantly increase the rate at which heat accumulates

so you need to vent a lot more

as long as damage isn't touched, most people wouldn't care

utility nerfs are elusive and effective

revolver isn't vet exclusive but okay

plasma is overtuned

whether you want to admit it or not

it's in 80+ of my games

[terse idol]

I mean

I think the strongest weapons from Vets arsenal need to be nerfed so other things can shine

Vet is pretttyyy gooood rn

[serene sage]

and im not even asking for damage nerfs

damage should def be the same, they feel good

as they should

but they should take a little more efforts in playing

that's all

[ebon geyser]

It's The anti-special anti-armor weapon

[idle swallow]

I feel like they'll end up nerfing plasma with more ammo used per shot or reduced uncharged shot damage

[ebon geyser]

There's a reason it's there

[terse idol]

Well its anti everything

[serene sage]

it overshadows many other anti-elite/specialist weapons out there

[ebon geyser]

(that being said I agree with the guy who said the thing could be balanced better by making the overheat mechanic more obvious)

also t. Agripinaa MkIX enjoyer

[idle dirge]

Even if plasma could oneshot both twins I just can’t bring myself to use it, personally feels awful to use. I need big blasty shooty noises

[wanton dawn]

Plasma should have worse uncharge and better charge

[serene sage]

I mean uping the heat per shot isn't exactly that bad of a nerf, it's just a reminder that hey slow down, this is a plasma gun
plasma mag is literally half the reserve, you don't need to reload with it, let the venting mechanic be the "reload"

you can't blow up left clicking anyway

[ebon geyser]

Also the absolute psychosis I feel while constantly redlining the plasma gun while blasting Heaven Pierce Her is sublime

[serene sage]

yeah plasma increased cleave feels great

[tall torrent]

helbore (currently), imo

[serene sage]

probably one of the better balancing thing they have done

[tall torrent]

the 3 shotguns

[serene sage]

I am tempted to say this but I think they should be buff ever so slightly

they are at like A- for me

[ebon geyser]

columnus V

Change my mind

[tall torrent]

that's fair, I think they rly come off strongly based on personal experiences

[wanton dawn]

Give bonus rending to exec stance and make it improve thoughness regen. Should help lot of "subpar" weapon

[serene sage]

between the 3, which one kills carapace the best?

agri?

[tall torrent]

shotguns? I don't even use them to shoot at carapace

[serene sage]

you can 4 shot crushers I think, but all special slug so ttk is atrocious, but at least you can

[ebon geyser]

I mean I think it's easier to bleed out crushers than wasting ammo on them

[tall torrent]

If I'm using shotgun I'm using it as a way to compliment knife or chainaxe

[ebon geyser]

But then I'm an idiot

[wet crest]

is this good?

[serene sage]

how about which one take care of gunners the fastest?

[tall torrent]

carapace takes very little dmg from bleed without rending/brittleness

[ebon geyser]

Low shredder is kinda meh, the rest of the stats are alright, it'll get you through bub 🙂

[wet crest]

chainsword not bad for a vet right

[tall torrent]

if they're all lined up, kantrael with fire shots, scattershot + flechette

least amount of shots needed to kill all

lawbringer is good too

agripinaa is better single target one after another

[terse idol]

Okay to be fair

[serene sage]

good perks, good blessings (after swapping out 8%melee and bloodthirsty), not ideal stats.
my verdict is usable as stop gap, but keeping looking
and yeah CSwod is good on vet

[terse idol]

People perma in malice

Aren't building efficiently

Let's be reeeaal

Many nerfs to the top performing weapons will hit us

[tall torrent]

the avg malice zealot doesn't even know hand cannon exists on revolver

[terse idol]

Because we build to meet specific break points or have specific blessing combinations which put the weapon above and beyond sometimds

Malice players are in the >struggling to play the game
Balance struggle

[serene sage]

im a bit ignorant on the shotties, how bad is the spread when ADSing? can you one tap dreg gunners at 15m out ADSing with the law/kant?

[ebon geyser]

Trickle down balance is imo the best thing to go with, tuning to the top % of players means ultimately things will shake out, imo

[terse idol]

The balance that affects us will rarely affect them

[serene sage]

I know agri can do that comfortably

[wanton dawn]

Imagine balancing locks

[terse idol]

Its... tough to be fair

I Mean we aren't balancing like mmo's

[tall torrent]

without exe stance, very difficult

[terse idol]

But the game is more easily balanced because you can just balance enemy health based on difficulty level

[tall torrent]

Lawbringer can 1 tap gunners up to like 8m

[serene sage]

ig ill stick with agri then

[terse idol]

And enemy damage

[tall torrent]

but it's not the spread that screws u

it's the dmg falloff past 8m

[ebon geyser]

Atta boy, Slug King

[serene sage]

dang, the agri doesn't fall off until 20m

[wanton dawn]

Ultimately all weapon balance change feels bad cuz it is forced interaction with the crafting system

[tall torrent]

agripinaa is a weird one for vet I feel

the other two are much more geared towards horde clear imo

[serene sage]

it feels like a bolter with worse carapace killing and better handling/swap speed

[ebon geyser]

Personally with the shotties I think lawbringer and kantrael fit better on the Zealot, and the agri was made for Veteran

[tall torrent]

to compliment a bad-clear melee

[ebon geyser]

You can reliably one shot most light enemies / gunners with one shot out to a goodly distance with the agri and with .exe stance it really does shine even without factoring in the slug

[serene sage]

also yesterday I ran 2x3stamina curios deadshot agri

it's actually kinda fun

not sure if optimal

but fun

[tall torrent]

the range aspect is def better

but kantrael with flechette is a different breed in horde clear

[still flare]

That's how I feel about it. Very fun, but revolver...

[serene sage]

yeah 😔 you aren't wrong there

[ebon geyser]

I normally leave the horde clear to my sword or my frags honestly

[tall torrent]

consignment yard first holdout section u can just perch on 2nd floor and snipe everything with fire shots

[serene sage]

I just dislike the revolver and to a certain extent, I dislike the plasma because of how popular it is

[still flare]

Agri is better suited for gunner control than revolver, but that's all I can think of

[serene sage]

i used to run plasma a decent amount when it wasn't buffed

[ebon geyser]

I don't see much point in running revolver on vet unless you're doing the same gimmick Sprint-Crucian Roulette that I use on my Zealot?

Maybe I'm not thinking outside the box

[serene sage]

it's used for the swap talent with hand canon

so you don't have to reload

[ebon geyser]

Meh

[serene sage]

and the instant swap speed means you can make use of a lot of buffs

[still flare]

Idk I still like running revolver with middle and left tree too

[ebon geyser]

I can see it on the melee tree but for melee vet I'd much rather bring either a Columnus V or a laspistol MkII

[serene sage]

yeah that's cool, too
revolver itself is jsut simply strong
the same way people keep saying to do whatever you want with the plasma

[ebon geyser]

(because infernus IV is nasty)

[serene sage]

do you know what they should do

they should buff the sound of the shotgun

right now it's a little muffled

and a little "plastic"

or is it just me?

[ebon geyser]

Oh yeah

In case fat shark is looking at my bad opinions

PUT RUN AND GUN ON THE COLUMNUS V YOU COWARDS

[inland orchid]

Snag the braced autogun for it

Watch as ur accuracy falters at mid-long range

[ebon geyser]

LET ME RUN MY 6" BARREL DOORKICKER CARBINE WITH MY sword

[cinder wing]

can someone help me with a revolver build please?

[atomic zephyr]

lol

[idle dirge]

What’s the difference between the chain axes?

[inland orchid]

One is the new one that does strikedown, the old one does vanguard

Other than that same shredder function

[idle dirge]

Damn, alright. Thought they had different stats

[atomic zephyr]

is this worth keeping?

nvm just got a better one

[serene sage]

Not really

[atomic zephyr]

eh?

[cinder wing]

best weapon to pair with revolver?

[serene sage]

Workable

[cinder wing]

spade maybe?

[inland orchid]

What about club, maybe heart?

[serene sage]

Anything with decent waveclear would do

[inland orchid]

[copper pine]

Anything works with volver

[cinder wing]

powersword then?

[copper pine]

Psword is fine 👍

[cinder wing]

or Chainsword?

[serene sage]

Anysword will do

[slender turtle]

Rashad Caxe is also a very good choice

[wet crest]

are weapons not shared between classes? can you get a wep that multiple classes can use and use it on different characters?

[inland orchid]

Some weapons are operator locked

I.e u can’t get plasma shooters on anything except vet cuz it’s a vet only gun

[wet crest]

riight but if you get a chainsword on your psyker can your vet use it

[inland orchid]

The exact sword straight from accounts? No

A sword that is similar? Totally

[wet crest]

its the same account

[inland orchid]

Different operators

[wet crest]

just a different character

[inland orchid]

If the weapon ain’t operator locked u can make a similar one in ur other operator

You sadly cannot transfer weapons from one operator to another

[flint oyster]

I’m doing this with the lawbringer shotgun. The kantrael is nice for the cleave, but getting 5 stacks of scattershot is pretty hard. The lawnbringers wide shot can easily keep up 5 stacks, I’m planning on running it with scattershot and flechette. With veterans onslaught talent anything bleeding also gains stacks of brittleness so it should soften up tougher enemies pretty well.

[serene sage]

I have news for you...

[slow spade]

"Veteran's Onslaught" oh :c

[serene sage]

do you want to tell them?

[slow spade]

I got the patch notes up 💪

trying to learn what I missed

[flint oyster]

Balls!

[slow spade]

I mean it could still trigger based off pellet

not sure though

[final locust]

vet so cool

bro

[slow spade]

it probably doesn't because that'd be fun

[cinder wing]

is there a melee weapon primer?

[slow spade]

one day we'll get a hotshot :c

[junior needle]

Had a giggle reading that one, infernus just can't catch a break

[slow spade]

lol ikr

[final locust]

and a full kasrkin outfit

[slow spade]

literally everything recon had going for it is gone now

[final locust]

cant way for the hotshot lasgun fr

[slow spade]

1200 rpm MK12 when?

[final locust]

i need it

https://tenor.com/view/ineedit-needit-spongebob-squarepants-need-it-gif-4883495

fatshark dislike cool things

so we'll never get it

[junior needle]

Use the pewpew mod for hotshot lasguns at home

[slow spade]

no melta gun for Zealot UwU

[final locust]

we have a hotshot lasgun at home

[slow spade]

oh right I need to turn on my mods again

been too busy with Rogue Trader

[final locust]

the lasgun lmao

[slow spade]

"Abelard, cut off his balls"

[serene sage]

traitor

[flint oyster]

Maybe I’ll just have to go with manstopper now to cleave through everything (assuming it can) instead of stopping at anything slightly tougher. Or maybe no respite to deal with armored enemies.

[slow spade]

don't worry I'm still a plasma main

[serene sage]

i bet you've seducing that navigator haven't you

[final locust]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-boom-gif-8911359

plasma mains be like

[serene sage]

I can sense your slaneshii cult from 10 miles away

[slow spade]

true could work but not sure on the specifics sadly

[slow spade]

literally 50% of the dialogue options are "yo girl want sum fuk?"

like unironically 50%

[final locust]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

average autogun enjoyer

[slow spade]

I legit just wanted to talk to Cassi and accidentally started a romance lol

[serene sage]

yeah but does it work though

[slow spade]

autogun fun

[serene sage]

[slow spade]

I accidentally pressed 1 ONCE

[final locust]

a spark?

[junior needle]

Lasguns lack a competitive automatic option, although you can autofire an infantry las I guess

[final locust]

allspark

[serene sage]

still no Argenta 😔

[slow spade]

yeah Fullauto mod doesn't hit the same

[slow spade]

ikr, she's literally one of the most likely romance targets in lore too

[flint oyster]

That sucks that bleed and onslaught wasn’t intended to work that way. That could have made a pretty interesting support setup.

[spark helm]

Had an unfortunate wipe on heresy while leveling my zealot. Damn...Definitely would've cleared it with the vet. I'm crying.

[slow spade]

IKR

[junior needle]

Fun fact: Sisters aren't sworn to celibacy

[slow spade]

Its only visble niche

Gone

[spark helm]

People really don't like setting themselves up to shoot shooters. Let alone tossing grenades to buy time.

[junior needle]

It's confirmed in a Caiphas Cain book

[slow spade]

Sisters can have families (and do)

[spark helm]

Had to work 5x as hard on my shroudfield just to keep the run stable before some bomber was just being annoying and we couldn't go anywhere else.

[slow spade]

Its just "slightly" awkward when the mom is gone on a crusade and the dad is left on a hive world UwU

[serene sage]

stay at home dad

or you can also sign up to be an officer in the guard

[slow spade]

Dad is also on a crusade, kid gets the "learn to shoot before you walk" treatment UwU

[serene sage]

yknow

there are very very few depictions of children in 40k

which makes sense

but still

[slow spade]

What about the "kid series" where a gang of kids are stalked by a Deathmark UwU

[serene sage]

the what and the who now?

[slow spade]

I want to be born on a pleasure world pls UwU

[willow grove]

The WH40K equivalent of papoose

[serene sage]

🤨 stop these heretical thoughts

[slow spade]

that's a canonical Imperial world designation

suppose to be a massive luxury world where they bring up nobility and high ranking administration officers

[slow spade]

as the Emperor would have wanted

[willow grove]

Kid gets the lasgun. You get the chainsword

[midnight mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914161923334214/1187848463745024133/image.png?ex=65986116&is=6585ec16&hm=73600f60c10c8c9f68a6f4aad4693b48d41ede9d85936134f4bebff34f681f09& The Ogryns are at it again...

[serene sage]

that but it shoots revolver rounds

[atomic zephyr]

im liking using the boltgun
problem: my aim sucks

[serene sage]

I want a sororitas gf

[orchid condor]

is this the upcoming vet helm, just found it and hope its from future vendor

[serene sage]

Thanks for coming to my TED talk

[orchid condor]

Damn want that helm

[halcyon zephyr]

Probably in a paid bundle, it looks too cool for it to be attainable in game

[orchid condor]

I NEED IT

[serene sage]

So called free thinkers when they release Scion outfits

[trim steppe]

Yeah why would Fatshark put cool shit in the game for free when they can paywall it

[terse idol]

Well yeah but

I wouldn't want to live in the hivecity underneath

Great for nobles

Riddled with corruption

[lucid hinge]

there is also a scion backpack that was in the files but it was removed from them iirc

[halcyon zephyr]

I'm so glad the paid cosmetic vendor is such a bitch and aquillas aren't attainable ingame. It completely removes my desire to check the shop or experience any FOMO.
Fatshark really helped me out with my addiction to paying extra money for a different arrangement of pixels in a game I'll play for maybe a year.

[lucid hinge]

I finally got a good Ia and then it got fucking bricked

[tall torrent]

They patched DoT applying onslaught

[serene sage]

im so glad the outfit I actually want is off rotation for months so i don't bother checking ever
so when the outfit actually comes around, I wouldn't know because I don't bother checking

[tall torrent]

And Lawbringer horizontal shots don’t have as much cleave as kantrael’s fire shots

Kantrael fire shots cleave basically everything

[serene sage]

i wanted the OG steel legion one but im never getting it so who cares

save my money

[tall torrent]

I think lawbringer’s special cleave 4.5?

[halcyon zephyr]

My only gripe is that I only have three color options for every weapon.
grey, slightly lighter grey, and red.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think Halo Infinite had better customization .

[terse idol]

Noo wayy

Season passes be waack

You have to buy the weapon skins anyways

The recolors stay away

And!

You can download the weapon customization mod

[lucid hinge]

I mean they added cross helmet, pauldron, and coatings customization. And at least you can earn the event gear

[serene sage]

I mean I want to buy stuff in DT but they aren't selling

so why bother

[terse idol]

Coatings but you have to buy them

So everyone has 1 pallet

[lucid hinge]

Man if only we had a system that was used before

[terse idol]

Yeah

[lucid hinge]

kk wasnt the point but

[terse idol]

I wished we had playable elites

Woops

[halcyon zephyr]

(I know. Shhhh, don't let the gargantuan pufferfish find out)

[terse idol]

FS doesn't care

[lucid hinge]

I mean that was one of the conditions the WC mod was given

[inland orchid]

Where playable monstrosities, I wanna do nothing then everything as a DH

[terse idol]

VT2 versus mod soon

Play as a rat of abnormal size

[inland orchid]

Gas rat players hitting the sickest crossmap bomb land known by okri

[lucid hinge]

with VT2 versus on the horizon maybe we might get darktide versus

[inland orchid]

We might grow multiple beards before that comes to be but ya I’m coping with ya battle brother

[terse idol]

Me as I play the most annoying sniper in all of man kind

[inland orchid]

I envy the salt farms from future sneakrat mains

[lucid hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/black-man-suit-gif-24830079

me and the boys all playing trapper

[slow spade]

4 ratling guns behind a corner UwU

[real lintel]

Quick question about the Veteran's Charismatic talent: does this increase the size of your Coherency? The Aura is listed as affecting allies in coherency, and the talent increases the range of your aura by 50%. The wording is weird, so I'm hoping for some clarification xD

[slow spade]

it seems to be just the aura

so a niche use with plasma and revolvers to get more ammo

but useless outside of that

[terse idol]

Wouldn't the aura also be the aura which you spread coherency?

[slow spade]

apparently no

[terse idol]

Wow

Fs pls

[slow spade]

as you can be in range of the ammo aura BUT not in range to hit everyone with VoC

so in my testing it appears to be aura radius only

[real lintel]

VoC isn't coherency, it's 9m.

[terse idol]

I guess that's okay

[real lintel]

Has its own range listed.

[terse idol]

Oh no yeah

[slow spade]

no that's for the stagger

[inland orchid]

The toughness boost is coherency

[terse idol]

What

[slow spade]

to affect allies, its coherency

[inland orchid]

^

[real lintel]

Ah, my bad.

[slow garden]

So does that talent increase coherency radius or nah?

[slow spade]

np easy to mistake because lmao Fatshark quality

[slow spade]

no

[slow garden]

Fuh

[slow spade]

look at the Ogryn talent

[slow garden]

Man I wish it did

[slow spade]

that one specifically says "Coherency"

while the Vet one says "Aura"

[slow garden]

Fair play, fair play

My brain expands

[real lintel]

So the shrinking of the radius by "Only In Death..." doesn't affect the VoC's toughness talent?

[slow garden]

https://tenor.com/view/mind-flayer-dnd-monster-dungeons-and-dragons-gif-14710185

[slow garden]

Damn, I want that on like... All of the classes

[inland orchid]

Damn u very specific wording is exactly what mixed many when grenader squad on vet didn’t have “You” at the start of its explanation

[slow spade]

no

yeah I get its technically distinct

but come on, no one sees that and thinks "ONLY aura"

because that'd be shit

[slow garden]

Can't tell you how many times I've been just a bit outside of coherency and get dumpstered because I can't regen tough

[slow spade]

indeed and a lot of Vet buffs are based off coherency

[terse idol]

[slow spade]

etc

[slow garden]

Yeah, love playing my Vet, but man he's coherency tied

[normal pawn]

My morals of not spending money on MTX melting for Scion Drip

[slow garden]

No wonder I prefer playing my ogryn nowadays

Bro just wins

I dont even have to range spec my ogryn to win with ranged weapons

[terse idol]

The zealot with loner:

[slow spade]

for pure skill ceiling, a Vet will beat out an Ogryn

[slow garden]

My Veteran with his coherency buffs:

[slow spade]

but Ogryn is much more consistent

[slow garden]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-stewie-tantrums-get-back-in-here-love-me-gif-5939485

[normal pawn]

My favourite Vet build is basically just Zealot lite, sadly.

[slow garden]

Also basically nobody plays Ogryn, despite him being by far the strongest class imho

[slow spade]

my favorite is plasma

[slow garden]

So even if my team fucks up and dies

[slow spade]

its because he is actually one of the weaker classes

[slow garden]

My Ogryn can just smash into the room and grab them

Yo what, by what margin?

Ogryn -Stomps-

[slow spade]

Zealot has more damage resist, Vet has more damage, Psyker has better crowd control

[slow garden]

Has a get out of jail free nuke to bail the team out of literally any bad situation

Can crowd control literally everything

[slow spade]

Ogryn kickback carries though

[slow garden]

Makes space like a smite psyker

Extremely durable.

[slow spade]

its just Ogryn is a lot easier to play

[terse idol]

He doesn't do the most damage

[slow garden]

Stares at gungryn burning down the karnak twins

Mmmmmm

[terse idol]

imo also I feel like psyker and ogryn are difficult to play

[slow spade]

"gungryn"

[terse idol]

[slow spade]

:c

[terse idol]

The ogryn competing for damage against vet and zealot in regular missions

[normal pawn]

I just cant personally handle how slow the ogryn feels.
And if i run any gun-major build i cant get to ammo before the underleveled karkers vaccuum it up.

[terse idol]

[slow garden]

Sure he doesn't deal a ton of damage, but he can lock down an entire horde of ragers, other ogryns, and etcetera without even using his ult

[slow spade]

he's actualy the same speed its just he's taller

so it feels slower

[terse idol]

Yes gungryn is good in a specific mission that we juuust got

[slow garden]

He can kill multiple specials at once with the kickback

[terse idol]

For sure

That's just because the kickback opie

[slow garden]

Like, I don't see the weakness. Beyond maybe his boss damage.

[terse idol]

[real lintel]

Getting flashbacks to SW:Ep1

[slow garden]

Since you have to spec into that really hard.

[terse idol]

Melee is on the weaker side

[slow spade]

the problem is that literally every other class beats Ogryn for their specific role

hp doesn't mean much compared to performance

[terse idol]

To be fair, having an ogrynn is nic3

[slow spade]

besides you want toughness anyways as "lmao Ogryn going down"

[slow garden]

Hp, toughness, doesn't get interrupted, can taunt entire gunner rooms if you take slab shield

[real lintel]

Ogryn is your standard jack of all trades, the others are better in their specific area, the ogryn is pretty decent at most things.

[normal pawn]

also
I think weapon blessings are also a very good point to make.

[serene sage]

It's rare I see a good Ogryn though

[slow garden]

I'm a bit floored that this is the consensus if I'm being honest

[slow spade]

"ah yes my funny numbers with randos clearly beats out the truth"

[slow garden]

Guess I just have bad teamates

[real lintel]

But I could say the same for the vet. I can have a total everything suppression build, I can have an anti spec/elt build, I can have an anti boss build.

[serene sage]

Which weapon is this? If you say kickback then I'm not gonna start looking

[tardy plaza]

You mean your false opinion

[slow spade]

false because randoms can't beat out actually good players

[terse idol]

I mean, frankly imo psyker is the weakest class

[slow spade]

do you read the shit you say?

[terse idol]

Competing for ranged damage vs vet

No really good melee

Good cc

[slow garden]

I feel like Ogryn's sheer durability, ability to control hordes, clear bad situations, and make space for the other characters to do their job is extremely valuable though, personally.

[terse idol]

Very squishy

[slow garden]

1 boss and 2 mini bosses? Doesnt matter, Ogryn hits taunt button

[normal pawn]

yeah none of this really matters when you have bad teammates.
You can hold DH for an hour in a corner of the map and it wont matter if your team doesn't help.

[slow garden]

Horde of ragers and flak and gunners?

[slow spade]

durability is Zealot, ability to control hordes is psyker, clear bad situations is Vet

[serene sage]

I beat nearly every Plasma Vet in Auric T5/M with my Bolter. Clearly the Bolter is better than the plasma.

[slow garden]

Throw bomb

I disagree on clearing bad situations and durability.

Ogryn's by far more durable than Zealot imo

[rancid echo]

smite/dome psyker does the same thing but better

[slow spade]

lmao

[umbral scaffold]

push attack > light > light on the mk 3 shovel is very goofy and fun

[slow garden]

And frag bomb obliterates bad situations

[inland orchid]

Mmm pipe bomb

[umbral scaffold]

knock enemies around like youre slapping them like on ogryn

[tidal wedge]

it's funny that people are defending ogryn class in the veteran chat

[slow garden]

I've got more plasteel invested in my Zealot than my Ogryn. Have you seen Ogryn's toughness regen? Bro can stay up forever.

[delicate estuary]

vetties too stuck with abusing VoC

hard to actually argue when it exists

[slow spade]

its just new players not knowing how to use their class at their best

[slow garden]

I mean, I main veteran, but I have a deep appreciation for Og.

[slow spade]

it happens

[normal pawn]

chuckles in Infiltration main

[slow garden]

Always happier to see him than zealots

[slow spade]

yeah I wonder when Exec Stance will get some love

[tidal wedge]

a good player can top dmg in any class

[slow spade]

the other skills have a lot more interesting play imo

[slow garden]

Also not a new player, couple hundred hours in and a VT2 veteran

[delicate estuary]

nah VoC needs to have 4 total nodes

[slow spade]

though the marking of elites/specialists is neat

[delicate estuary]

shit doesnt need buffing

either choose overtoughness or stagger

exclusive choice

[slow spade]

true, VoC with no penalty on revive + Duty and Honor when?

could work

though not sure when people take Stagger over Overtoughness in coherency

I guess for the bosses?

[delicate estuary]

having overtoughness that regenerates is also dumb

like make it a flat value that doesnt regenerate

[tidal wedge]

but it doesn't need a nerf either. it's not overpowered, it's just easy to use

[delicate estuary]

not overpowered

[tidal wedge]

imo

[normal pawn]

eh...

[slow spade]

VoC is like the most op ult

[delicate estuary]

damage immunity and stagger anything you want every 10 seconds or less

[slow garden]

Yeah shout isnt OP

[slow spade]

50% uptime for only 1 point investment

cheap and highly effective

[crisp rapids]

psyker is best

[slow spade]

its even convienent because its in the middle

[crisp rapids]

smite is bestest

[tidal wedge]

a good team doesn't need VoC and a bad team won't be saved by extra toughness

[slow garden]

Its super useful, but there are better ults. I would argue it's BIS for Veteran though.

[delicate estuary]

you compare it to the other 2 abilities and its the ability with the least skill required for most effectiveness

[crisp rapids]

EP smite is besterest

[slow spade]

lol

a good team definitely wants VoC

stun bosses and hordes

[tidal wedge]

to be fair, exec stance is a bit mid, yes

[slow spade]

only 30 sec cooldown at worst

[serene sage]

that's why I always go full glass canon and never take defensive options

[slow garden]

A good team does want VOC, and bad players really benefit from it

[tidal wedge]

real gamer

[slow spade]

god the takes in Vet chat today

[delicate estuary]

nah there is a point about a good team not requiring it cause its true, pubs require it

[normal pawn]

Tbf, the only major skill needed to make Infiltrator more effective is knowing when, and how to throw grenades without breaking stealth.

[slow garden]

VOC still gives a team wide buff, even ignoring the toughness boon

[serene sage]

or, maybe, a team is good because of the stagger?

[crude ermine]

I like screaming words at the enemy and becoming full yellow bar

[slow spade]

staggering to make room + make room to throw nades or recharge dodges never hurts

[tardy plaza]

I play all four classes regularly and everytime someone is dumb enough to say one of them is basically weaker than all the others it's a meme.

[slow spade]

"meme"

[tardy plaza]

Yes, I'm talking about you

[slow spade]

I mean it's not exactly hard to see

[tardy plaza]

Ogryn is probably the best class in the game, not to mention the easiest

[slow spade]

idk why you need the flower glasses lol

[slow garden]

I mean personally I think Zealot's kind of weak, but not too far behind. Granted. That's coming from me having trouble getting that class to work for me after way too much plasteel investment.

[tardy plaza]

Not the most fun to play though

[slow spade]

"best"

[serene sage]

well there was a point where some are significantly stronger than others
Ogryns without kickback seem underwhelming to me

[slow garden]

Thank you Lion

[slow spade]

yeah ok

[normal pawn]

The worst class is the Servitor class and you cannot prove me wrong.

[serene sage]

what is the weapon you use though @tardy plaza

[slow garden]

Finally some appreciation for Ogryn's carry potential

[delicate estuary]

dunno I am very biased against VoC because I never play it out of principle and I usually dont have space issues as long as I dont back myself into a wall. If I run 20 meters back and let my ogryn handle the front that is fine by me @slow spade that goes for both premade lobbies and pubs in higher difficulties. The only time I wish I had VoC is clutch situations but VoC stinky with 0 skill involved

[potent iris]

Vet is the worst class, if it were the best class Cadia wouldn't be gravel

[tardy plaza]

Sticky Rumbler if I want more boss / elite damage, kickback if our team has boss / elite damage covered

[normal pawn]

just point at any T.O.O HM run that has atleast one ogryn and you should have more than enough evidence that they're worth their potential.

[delicate estuary]

true

[tardy plaza]

and always shield

[slow garden]

Hell the fastest ones have multiple ogryn

[robust mesa]

stop thje cap

[untold mulch]

Reminder that Cadia sacrificed itself to take out a Blackstone Fortress 😔

[delicate estuary]

I like nuance in my gameplay and VoC offers none is all I am saying

[untold mulch]

It was honorable sacrifice

[serene sage]

most of the Ogryns I've played with are brain dead

[slow spade]

??? the speedruns are all stealth builds

[crude ermine]

Nuh uh, it's the poxwalker class

[untold mulch]

They certainly are RPing correctly

[serene sage]

and have the situational awareness of a celery

[slow garden]

I was seeing gungryn squad myself

[delicate estuary]

they are playing in character stinky

[slow garden]

Literally just deletes the entire room

[serene sage]

but you can't flame them cause they are RPing and holesume

[potent iris]

the difference between 7 minutes vs 11 minutes is like...who fucking cares, you're already farming the twins at that point

[serene sage]

or something cliche

[delicate estuary]

I legit turn off brain when I play oggie cause of how easy it is

[potent iris]

Ogryn is the least engaging gameplay I think I've ever experienced in a game, I legit need to be baked or drunk to enjoy it

[slow garden]

I mean, fair

Not defending Ogryn's gameplay

[normal pawn]

Atleast the poxwalker class gets to die.
Servitor? I have to play fekkin amogus type minigames all day just to get the mourningstar's air conditioning working again.

[slow spade]

tbh I'm really curious how Ogryn will be if Kickback gets touched

[slow garden]

Defending that he's damn strong

[serene sage]

all im asking is that they have the decency to not walking into my ESTABLISHED line of sight

[tidal wedge]

is the plasteel/diamantine reward the reason people farm it?

[slow spade]

its also the shortest map

[delicate estuary]

since I learnt the bitch slap of bully club I get some neuron activations but I mostly play sharpshooter vet cause VoC stinky

[serene sage]

im not asking them to stand aside, but im already firing, they don't need to step in front of me

for whatever reason

[potent iris]

I have no idea why people farm it, I only did it a bunch to help people get the stupid insignia

[slow spade]

the new offensive map is interesting at least

[tall torrent]

It’s inefficient for crafting materials but pretty fast for dockets

[serene sage]

I get that they have a shield but im not a fking damsel in distress

[slow spade]

^

[potent iris]

also Ogryn is the strongest class, by virtue of being the most powercrept class

[serene sage]

take your slab somehwere else

[slow spade]

I have +30% dockets when doing the Offensive

though tbh I'd probably get more going for maelstroms

[slow garden]

It's his staying power and space clear/preventative kickback that draws ogryn to top tier for me

God I wish Zealot had that kind of space clear

[slow spade]

but not having +36% stam regen in maelstrom...

[tidal wedge]

ah that makes sense. I got both the emblems on my first try so I never bothered with replaying it

[serene sage]

I think their skill floor is in hell, and their skill ceiling is probably the lowest of the 4

[normal pawn]

Damnation TOO seems to have a 100% orange drop chance for Emperor's gift.
The 300 plasteel aint worth shit.

[tidal wedge]

will try this for materials

[tall torrent]

U tried hard mode yet?

[tardy plaza]

This I definitely agree with

Ogryn is wildly good but also boringly easy

[slow garden]

He do be a simple lad

[tidal wedge]

no, did they add it later?

[slow garden]

Similar could be said for smite psyker though

Wildly good

[normal pawn]

they dont know about the bells

[slow garden]

Boringly easy

[tardy plaza]

I do 10 ogryn matches and 10 vet matches a day rn cus I'm working towards 250 missions played, the vet I have to actually focus and the Ogryn I put in a small window and watch Psych on Prime

[timid flower]

I just dont like ogryns melee

[tardy plaza]

Yes, but half the psyker chat would disagree with you and say smite sucks. Cus they're silly

[slow spade]

Ogryn needs a power shield UwU

[slow garden]

Lol what

[serene sage]

i swear this is why very ogryns walk into my line of fire

[slow garden]

Who disagrees with 'smite is good'

[serene sage]

they aren't fking playing the game

[slow garden]

Smite trivializes 90% of the game

[delicate estuary]

me

[tardy plaza]

They argue about it three times a week

[slow garden]

Maaaaaaaaaaate

[delicate estuary]

and thats exactly why

[slow spade]

smite is shit though

REAL psykers use shredder pistol

UwU

[slow garden]

Lol

[timid flower]

so smite is good, you just dont personally like it

[tardy plaza]

Tbf it's pretty much impossible to NOT get in the way even on fullscreen

[delicate estuary]

ok imagine right you are hyped to play a melee class and 90% of the mobs are afk

I would rather

go play league

[tidal wedge]

back when smite would proc headshots for the double shot perk.... BIG NUMBERS

[delicate estuary]

fucking brainrot smite

[slow garden]

I mean listen, it's okay not to like something and admit that it is objectively very strong

Smite is broken strong

But it is boring as fuck

[normal pawn]

Most my issues with the ogryn is the weapons tbh.
Dont like the melee that much, Dont like a lot of the ranged ones.

[slow spade]

asking a warhammer fan to not hate something?

bruh

[delicate estuary]

smite requires soulblaze to be useful and removes player interaction aka its bad for me

everytime a psyker smites a horde and just do an 180 and leave them there

[serene sage]

tbh, idc

[tardy plaza]

Kickback/Rumbler are great but with every other weapon I agree

[slow garden]

I just save my hate for where it counts

[potent iris]

Smite just makes the game boring

[slow garden]

[slow spade]

I never really see Smite that useful

[tardy plaza]

I love this

[slow spade]

but I use Power Sword

so hordeclear is a non-issue

[serene sage]

i don't mind their presence because at least they help instead of making my game worse

[tardy plaza]

I hate it when people ignore all the things I'm not killing to rush in for the free kills

[potent iris]

and smite psykers just enjoy being a dps void but cope on doing huge damage to checks notes poxwalkers

[slow spade]

honestly I prefer bots over most randoms

[slow garden]

To be fair, smite killing poxwalkers has saved some aurics

[slow spade]

so a smite psyker isn't the worst thing

[slow garden]

Lol what sheo

[serene sage]

today has a lot of weird takes

[slow garden]

Yeah

[untold mulch]

I will never complain about a Smite psyker

[tidal wedge]

there

[slow garden]

Today has a lotta fuckin weird takes

[serene sage]

people are loving ogryns and hating smite psykers?

[delicate estuary]

look smite has a lot of value if you are pacing but I have to loot therefore I dont care and if I am playing a melee class I just let them do their thing and fuck off somewhere else

[tall torrent]

No it’s a secret Easter egg you can do that gives an additional insignia

[tidal wedge]

😮

[slow garden]

I mean I appreciate Smite for being super strong

[normal pawn]

People who just sit and spam smite anger me because they dont realize how they could use it to weave stagger states in and out with melee strikes

But they just choose to sit there like emperor palpatine being powered by a 9v battery

[slow garden]

But I can understand why people might groan at seeing one in their game

[serene sage]

I bet most of you are Ogryns main astroturfing in this channel

[tidal wedge]

i'll give it a google, thanks for heads up

[serene sage]

I can smell ya stinky ass

[slow spade]

randos are worst than bots

[spark helm]

Sounds like people just need to get more accustomed to their class's tools and execution.

[slow garden]

I doubt that immensely ima be real

Bots fucking suck in this game

Immensely

Massively

[delicate estuary]

smite is good for pacing like I said, pair with shriek and soulblaze and its ok for killing hordes and even elites if you can delay it enough . My problem is I like nuance and smites removes exactly that therefore I just ignore smikers and go loot or something

[serene sage]

hey at least they don't aggro random mobs and vaccum up ammo

[slow spade]

at least the game lets me run away from the worst randoms

[slow garden]

I must have reasonably good luck with my randos then

[small mauve]

man I had time to farm 6k plasteel in auric with 30% golds curios, and all the gold farmed didn't even give me one weapon 360+ from the vendor. This is the worse luck I've gotten in this game so far ._.

[normal pawn]

The problem is that you hit hte nail right on the head
But people dont want to reflect on it.

[slow garden]

I'll take a rando over a fuckin bot any day

Any hour

[potent iris]

Ogryn is powercrept af lowest common denominator gameplay that facerolls pretty much the entire map. Smite psyker is an intellect black hole that isn't anywhere near as useful as people pretend it is.

those are my hot (liquid nitrogen cold) takes

[serene sage]

it comes and goes.
some days randos are completely new
recently they got better

[slow garden]

I mean I mostly just run damnation and aurics, so

[slow spade]

average random experience

[slow garden]

I don't really encounter the heresy people anymore

[delicate estuary]

smite for speedrunning if you dont account stealth is probably quite useful

like I said

[slow garden]

lol

[delicate estuary]

its pretty good for pacing

since you can ignore entire rooms

[serene sage]

Hot take: they made it easy so Xbox players can enjoy the game.

[slow spade]

honestly wouldn't doubt it

[slow garden]

I mean I don't even mind that they made ogryn easy

Thats fine

Let the console players have fun

There's a class for damn near everyone in this game

[tall torrent]

The moment you understand Ogryn gameplay is essentially “you must hold mouse 1” and “don’t stand directly in front of veterans” you’re basically set

[spark helm]

Before any balance changes, class dichotomies, etc., I just strongly focus on sharpening my decision-making and awareness of how my tools work, where they can function best, etc.

No patch is going to fully compensate for a gap in fundamentals. Strictly so.

Everything that follows with what's clearly strongest in the game's meta is meaningless.

[serene sage]

if a gungryn holding M1 the entire game, chances are really high they are Xb players

[cerulean void]

if nobody got me, I know the gifts of the emperor don't can I get a throne be praised

[delicate estuary]

no I do that as well

I just vacuum all the ammo

fuck you stinky vets

I dont blame gungryn to have a useless melee and a useless ranged

[timid flower]

speak for yourself i got a really nice helbore from a random damnation mission

[delicate estuary]

just so I can use my useless melee

[grand merlin]

Hi, I just started playing vet today. New to the game, but started as zealot. I had a few questions. Does vet synergize with any weapons particularly well? Also does the Las gun with the bayonet have must use blessings?

[delicate estuary]

I want to hear the dacca

[slow spade]

this you? UwU

[slow garden]

Hello new lad

[serene sage]

[delicate estuary]

😎

[slow spade]

:p

[bleak tendon]

does onsluaght proc with the kantrael shotguns fire dot effect?

[slow garden]

IDK about the helbore myself

[serene sage]

I have a new screenshot now, let me find it with a gungryn running stubber

[tall torrent]

No

[slow garden]

Most weapons are viable on Veteran, if given the proper blessings and setup

[delicate estuary]

sadly I want to like gunlugger but its very ammo inefficient and well its a meme imo unless you are using memeback

[grand merlin]

I realized it probably wasn't a good idea to write all my questions as a paragraph, my apologies

[slow garden]

I recommend the Plasgun

[bleak tendon]

fixed my ass bruh i just wanted to build

[slow garden]

As it's not super blessing-reliant to get good performance

[slow spade]

such is life

[tall torrent]

Helbore lasguns want onslaught & surgical as blessings
Onslaught increase your charge shots’ charge speed, surgical gives extra crit chance as long as you stay in ADS

[spark helm]

Nothing wrong with fleshing out your thoughts.

[serene sage]

it sure pads a lot of stats though

especially when you play like an asshole and block other people's shots

[slow garden]

Kickback gunlugger ogryn w/ veteran survivalist buddy

Observe as the bad guys disappear mysteriously into red mist

[serene sage]

I have an ogryn blocking 90 shots in a game

[tall torrent]

Become a fireteam + shock trooper helbore lasgun vet to exclusively piss off the t’augryns on your team

[slow garden]

Idk what positioning your taking to get 90 shots blocked

[serene sage]

me?

[bleak tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/thanks-marvel-infinitywar-disney-villain-gif-15260153

[slow spade]

front 💪

[slow garden]

Yessir, just tryin to be helpful tho

Not baggin on ya amigo

[grand merlin]

Which helborne is best?

[slow spade]

I am though

FoxHope BAD

[slow garden]

Stoppit sheo

get some help

[serene sage]

dude the ogryn would purposely walk into my line of fire

[slow garden]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-15058124

[slow spade]

Dogmatic +3

[serene sage]

I reposition, he repositions, too

[slow garden]

hehehe

[tall torrent]

The funniest thing is that they can perfectly trace your movements while standing directly in front of u

[grand merlin]

Would you recommend any blessings for it?

[slow garden]

Gets Hot! Annnnd

Fuck whats the other one called

[slow spade]

Blaze AwayTHREE (caps at 3) is really good

[serene sage]

god if this isn't true

[slow garden]

Someone help me out here

Oh right, Blaze Away

[tall torrent]

Depends on what you’re looking for

[slow garden]

Blaze Away and Gets Hot!

Take Maniac and Flak Damage perks

(Or carapace and unyielding your choice)

Def take maniac though

You will need it

[grand merlin]

Also which helborne is the best (I apologize if answered I read slow and possibly missed it)

[slow garden]

I like mk1

Mk2 is also good

Mk3 is shit

[grand merlin]

Just saw your reply 95

[tall torrent]

It depends on what you’re looking for

[slow spade]

I personally use MK3 (the bayonet bug still work?)

[spark helm]

Unrelated but the only good part about that movie was that clown getting rolled in his own home. Lmao

[slow garden]

Well, some people use mk3, but bayonet throws me off

[slow spade]

tbh I got this so I'm not fucking rolling for a MK2 or MK1 Helbore

[grand merlin]

Reliable and does good damage in higher difficulties

[slow garden]

Fair enough

I'd do the same thing sheo

[midnight mortar]

Mk3, bleh.

[serene sage]

548 highest rating being a recon 6d

i feel you

[slow spade]

sorry 1-shot killing everything on chest UwU

[delicate estuary]

eh I dont care anymore about ogryns blocking, its just bad game design imo and should be changed. I am of the mentality why hate the players when you can hate the game . I just try to climb on boxes or other shit that is readilly available if I need or just push up next to them

[slow spade]

indeed lol

[tall torrent]

Mk2 has fastest firerate and hits all major breakpoints except flamer 1 shot (needs crit), has fastest reload speed and basically never runs out

Mk1 can hit flamer 1 shot without crit and one tap ragers if far away though, but shoots noticeably slower with more ammo consumption (you can actually run out if you just keep shooting forever)

Both mk1 and mk2 have very strong bayonet moveset, use a melee weapon with Brutal Momentum blessing to maximize the bayonets’ effectiveness in horde clear

Mk3 is a dedicated slow firing sniper with the highest damage, but the bayonet is horrible

[grand merlin]

Blaze away 3, and I'm guessing a charge blessing?

[midnight mortar]

wwww

[tall torrent]

@grand merlin

[slow spade]

no Blaze Away + Gets Hot

[grand merlin]

This is an amazing write up for a newbie. Thank you.

[slow spade]

one day Fatshark will add combi-bolters so we won't have to "choose" things

[slow garden]

Yep, great writeup

Now I just want the headhunter guns to get a hipfire increase

Gimme gimme

[serene sage]

I mean sure, but I also hate the mentality surrounding Ogryns as if they can do no wrong.
The whole RPing thing is cool for a bit but it's getting tiring, especially when it shields them from ever being criticized by infantizing themselves.

[slow garden]

As long as the ogryn does his job idc

[serene sage]

It feels unfair when they can soft-troll, play like assholes and hide behind the RP wall

[slow spade]

that's the problem they don't

[slow garden]

I don't see many bad ogryn players

Myself

[grand merlin]

I think mk3 might be for me. Feels odd trying to kill the weak guys with rapid trigger pulls

[slow garden]

Idk maybe I'm just an encouragnig personality, I greet people when I get into game with them

So people play better

[delicate estuary]

the only line I draw for bad oggies is shield oggies who plop their shield down and take a sip of their coffee

[grand merlin]

Mk 1 feels super weird.

[slow garden]

Feels like everyones having a bad time with randos and I'm over here having a reasonably good time

[grand merlin]

Maybe I need to get used to it. Because I like it.

[tall torrent]

Just keep in mind helbore lasguns all have really slow draw speed, and mk3 doesn’t have a good bayonet to alleviate this problem

[serene sage]

I don't initiate but I will respond if someone says hi

[normal pawn]

i dont care how much into the bit they want to go
If you sit there with the scripture in your hand doing fuck-all just because i handed you a scripture, you're as ogryn brained as the ogryn you play.

[slow garden]

I initiate pmuch every match

[tall torrent]

Mk1 and mk2 are essentially “gun on a spear”

[delicate estuary]

I ignore even people saying hi 😎 fuck that

[slow garden]

Ya boi here for a good time

[slow spade]

yet you're here in the discord

[slow garden]

Correct!

[grand merlin]

I accidentally got into high level players game and they kicked me. Only negative experience so far

[cerulean void]

the mk3 is definitely more suited for backlining and having somebody able to cover your buns

[slow garden]

And I'm having a good time

[tall torrent]

What region are u in

[delicate estuary]

I queue aurics to get plasteel and not to fall asleep from normal T5s not to greet others

[cerulean void]

bit more than the usual big guy in the sky providing

[serene sage]

hey man what's up? are you having a good Christmas? god I hope so

[slow garden]

[delicate estuary]

stinky pubs never looting

[grand merlin]

us

[terse idol]

Owiie

[slow spade]

I got you :D

[slow garden]

It happens sometimes, its okay. If you weren't ready for it you weren't ready broseph, doubt they had hard feelings about it

[tall torrent]

We can play together

[serene sage]

who is us? can you be more specific?

[terse idol]

Bad luck

[tidal wedge]

I don't know if other players can even kick you

[delicate estuary]

🤮 diamantine spare me

[grand merlin]

I made it to what I believe the end with no downs.

[slow garden]

Alas lads, it has been fun, but I gotta drive

[tidal wedge]

played 200h and I've never seen a kick button

[grand merlin]

Though I was sticking with the big guy

[slow garden]

My insanely slow workday is over

Wow no work before christmas who wouldve thought

[cerulean void]

like vet chat is some kinda hangover inducing beverage lol

[slow garden]

lol

[serene sage]

texting and driving improves your multitasking, helping you becoming a better gamer

[slow garden]

Maybe it is lol

LOL

[delicate estuary]

true

[slow garden]

[delicate estuary]

make sure to hit a pedestrian too

[slow garden]

Gotta get my k/d higher

[cerulean void]

bonus points

[delicate estuary]

it inhibits your reaction to adrenaline

[robust mesa]

drinking and driving is optimal performance

[grand merlin]

The eastern us I believe. I'm not, is there a location in the ui I can Check?

[serene sage]

damn, that's like gaming irl

[tall torrent]

@grand merlin u on steam or Xbox platforms

[slow garden]

Lol ya'll are unhinged af I love it

[cerulean void]

go by GTA rules: sidewalk is the new street

[grand merlin]

Xbox

[serene sage]

sorry, I don't see color directions

[slow garden]

Later fellas and gals

[delicate estuary]

its like playing fruit ninja but instead its automobile bownling

@slow garden

[tall torrent]

Add me, we can play
Friend code is my name here

[grand merlin]

That'd be great! Probably will have to be in a few days, but sure.

[serene sage]

"my name here" is an invalid friend code
can you check again?

[tall torrent]

[serene sage]

what a real g

good thing I don't have a kid

or a partner

or support

😔

(just kd im doing okay )

[tardy plaza]

For the Emperor

Be strong

[grand merlin]

After the fact, I found out it's vote to kick

[tall torrent]

What perks do I want on agripinaa shotgun

I have 20% infested and 8% elite

[cerulean void]

the Emperor protects

[tall torrent]

Can only change one

[tidal wedge]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds

[serene sage]

I got voted kick once right after clutching 3 people on Syncorax
I didn't say anything in game except saying in comm "Hey guys slow down we have horde behind"

to this day I still don't know what happened

[tardy plaza]

Get rid of infested @tall torrent

imo

[tall torrent]

To flak or maniac

[cerulean void]

always maniac first imo

ragers and specials can feth off

[tall torrent]

I’m aiming for slug one taps, right?

[cerulean void]

preferably

[tidal wedge]

on crowd control weapons it can actually be really good

[cerulean void]

my fave columnus V is +infested +maniac

[serene sage]

i dont have much experience on shotty but for agri you can one/two tap everything without slug that is not carapace

I think slug is for carapace and long range (like 20+m out) kills

[tall torrent]

Uhhhhh the slug already 1 headshot kills both ragers, both flamers and both gunners

[delicate estuary]

playing slug shotgun

how can you man

its like plaing a headhunter but with a 5 second delay

[serene sage]

no I mean you don't need to load the slug, just use the normal shot

[cerulean void]

look, sometimes it just comes down to flavour

a slug shotty is a mood

[serene sage]

cause the load time is not nothing

[tidal wedge]

I only play the dragon shot shotgun. It just looks so cool.

[tall torrent]

I think I’ll go maniac

[serene sage]

whats your shotty lookinglike anyway

[tall torrent]

80 dmg
80 SP
80 ammo
79 mobility
57 stability

20% infested
8% elite

Full bore 4 (modded)
No respite 3