veteran-class

[celest vine]

Power is damage and stagger

[midnight totem]

You will mow down the hordes

[celest vine]

Power is better than flat damage

[placid portal]

because of some math shenanigens

[celest vine]

Unless the damage buff is particularly high

[limber egret]

ok here so hows this?

[lilac sky]

You specifically will never get one either. Everyone else will, but Mr "I Don't Read" won't.

[celest vine]

Flak and unyielding is good

[placid portal]

yee

[celest vine]

Could change deathspitter for dum dum if you want a better blessing

Its strong as it is now

[placid portal]

Dum dum building up stacks fast then unloading at unaware enemies is one helluva moment

[limber egret]

it would be nice if deathspiter actually said it stacked

since apperenty it does

[placid portal]

I think death spitter stacks

[limber egret]

oh yup it does

bruh moment

[placid portal]

heh

[limber egret]

i had taken it off my heavy stubber before

i could had actually kept it on

tho it is close range kill only

[celest vine]

I rolled this yesterday

Or like two days ago

Doesnt matter its good

[placid portal]

Will do its worth

[limber egret]

oh yeah atleast i got a nice skin for it

[celest vine]

The mortis operative skin looks good on it

Cause it extends the barrel

[placid portal]

I use the weapon customization mod to modify my Autogun into my old Rifle I used

[celest vine]

Not that goofy ah carbine SBR

But agrippina autoguns were used by the Vraksian militia too

[placid portal]

One thing I have to admit is Agripinaa Braced Auto Barrel is fucking slick

[limber egret]

damn i can almost one magazine a boss with volly fire on

[celest vine]

Siege of vraks long story

[limber egret]

with this autogun

[placid portal]

A whole story of twists and turns innit?

[limber egret]

if im hitting weakspots

[celest vine]

Vraks renegades#

[celest vine]

With many days worth of lore videos

[celest vine]

That honestly would be a fucking badass setting for eternal crusade 2

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-warhammer40k-vraks-siege-of-vraks-death-korps-gif-20931228

[zealous wyvern]

oh hey its my morning routine music

[celest vine]

God I wish eternal crusade was actually done right

[limber egret]

tho hey so if i replace one of my blessings with dum dumn

which one should i replace?

like between fire frenzy and death spitter?

[celest vine]

I think fire frenzy

You have to kill with fire frenzy

And deathspitter is power, which is better than just damsge

[limber egret]

oh ok thanks for info

[celest vine]

@placid portal whats the actuall effect power does?

[limber egret]

also im definity glad to have an actual nice looking skin for this autogun

[placid portal]

Dmg/Stagger/and maybe even cleave

[celest vine]

Isnt it like 1.5% damage and extra stagger?

Or something like that

Its better than damage trust me bro

[placid portal]

Power affects alot of things in general

[celest vine]

I know what im doing

[placid portal]

[celest vine]

[celest vine]

Wish infantry lasguns had deathspitter or dumdum

[limber egret]

oh there i got it

tier 3 but it works

[celest vine]

They really function as assault rifles set to semi

Not as precision weapons

[hardy ember]

What’s why I’m hoping for hellguns to be added at some point

[limber egret]

so replace fire frenzy right?

i got dumdum perk now

or blessing i mean

so currently i can replace just one

so i should replace fire frenzy right?

because sadly i had to replace one of the perks so i can only replace one blessing

i really would like to confirm that its better to replace fire frenzy right?

since deathspitter would be better?

tho would you say fire frenzy works better since its 9% damage and it stacks 5 times too?

its basically 45% damage boost

[junior needle]

Replace ff, as if it actually works according to its description, it's range specific damage (7-8m) and wont apply past that. Deathspitter is power which gives cleave, stagger, AND damage, on top of presumably being range unspecific. Deathspitter also stacks to 5, despite the description.

[limber egret]

oh ok so even tho its 6%

since its stagger and cleave it would be better?

[limber egret]

and damage ontop of that?

[junior needle]

Dumdum (which is bugged to be much better than it should be) is the most important one and as long as you have dumdum the second blessing doesn't matter.

[marsh condor]

Stagger

[limber egret]

i do have it

[junior needle]

Yes, power is always superior to just damage

[limber egret]

tier 3 version

there hows this now?

[junior needle]

You ideally want flak/maniac but that's fine, best you can do in the circumstance

[limber egret]

the perk where i added flak

was infested enemies

so i had to change it

[halcyon zephyr]

yeah it's usually one or the other with Flak priority. You're fine

[limber egret]

luckly unyielding

[junior needle]

Then you did what you could, the gun is insanely overtuned

[limber egret]

and the two blessings was good

[junior needle]

You can do this kind of damage at gray and talentless to maniacs on bodyshots, and IAG's are finesse weapons

[limber egret]

so what would you say be good talents?

[halcyon zephyr]

Anyone else have an absolutely cursed character?
I have a zealot where I can win only 1 in 4 missions, even on T3.

[limber egret]

tho how do i show my enitre talent tree?

i seen some people doing it

in here so how do i also do that?

[halcyon zephyr]

go to gameslantern website for darktide, they have a talent builder

[junior needle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

Onslaught is a must have on automatics, and toughness dr is a must have. Apart from that it depends on your ult.

Oh, and always take survivalist.

[serene sage]

does anyone have an agri shotty build they want to share? I have one but im also lookng for inspirations or anything I might have overlooked

[marsh condor]

Should I take Survivalist or Fire Team?

[halcyon zephyr]

almost everyone runs suvivalist. Even then, run survivalist.

[serene sage]

depends on your playstyle, I would say majority of people are better off with survivalist

[limber egret]

ok here

this is what im doing for the autogun

[serene sage]

but ive seen some seasoned players (level 1000+) taking fire team

[limber egret]

fire team seems way too small of a buff tho

especially when comparing what survivialist does

[marsh condor]

At least it's better than the Psyker's, which is just 5% extra damage against Elites and (maybe) Specialists only.

[limber egret]

also hey sow hat do you think of my talent tree?

[serene sage]

I don't think you need tinkered/field improv/team highlighting and immunity suppression
get rif of those and you have tnough for onslaught

[midnight totem]

No survivalist

[limber egret]

that im currently using for the autogun

[midnight totem]

Use those ammo bins

[serene sage]

I would also go with Sup Complex and Bring em Down instead of Marksman and Rending Strikes

[limber egret]

the rending was for being able to damage armor

like even carapace

[junior needle]

Path to onslaught instead of rending strikes

[limber egret]

tho i could change it

[junior needle]

It's much better on automatics

[serene sage]

that's what Onslaught is for

I guess you can take both, I don't hate

[junior needle]

There's also a few points that have dubious value

like enhanced target priority, since it can allow your teammates to poach your ult targets and deny you resets

[limber egret]

so like this?

[serene sage]

also going with frag nade saves you a point

[limber egret]

the point above rending is 25 toughness and i went toughness heavy(206)

[serene sage]

this?

you can get both rendings if you like that!

you won't even need krak cause 2xrending means carapace = butter

[limber egret]

oh yeah i get that

tho i did really wanted to keep kraks

they been helping a lot

[serene sage]

hmm okay

[junior needle]

They're redundant with that kind of rending setup

[marsh condor]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ae90588-ec6a-4b5a-9c89-8e991233a80c/sniper-bolter?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[junior needle]

columnus can put out insane dps on them

[limber egret]

oh yeah but also with the infinite grenade talent point

i can yeet two crushers for example and not use ammo

and against bosses

[versed merlin]

weapon specialist

[limber egret]

very big boss damage

[serene sage]

mad lad runs nearly 0 toughness regen
glassiest of canons, I approve

but swap Tunnel Vision for Exihilarating and you'll have a much better time tbh

[marsh condor]

With a Bolter, I don't think I can reliably land headshots.

(Mostly since I can't tell if I hit the head or not)

[midnight totem]

If they evaporate into a mist

You hit the head

[serene sage]

i hate the right side though 😭

[marsh condor]

The same goes for the body.

[midnight totem]

.. usually

[marsh condor]

I've shot just the torso with this, same result.

GIB

[versed merlin]

so deadshot doesnt give you any breakpoints at all with bolter?

[marsh condor]

Shrug

[versed merlin]

oh sorry

[marsh condor]

I'm just experimenting with a crit-focused Bolter.

[versed merlin]

i didnt read the messages above

[midnight totem]

Dead shot just gives you crit chance

[serene sage]

get rid of opening salco and tunnel vision for close quarter drill and confirmed kills

[versed merlin]

meant to say precision strikes

[marsh condor]

And swaying.

[midnight totem]

Compensate for sway with skill

[serene sage]

precision strikes is really good on bolter for like 3 different breakpoints

but they said they are not hitting heads

[marsh condor]

Which I lacked specifically with a Bolter.

[midnight totem]

XD

[serene sage]

so it doesn't matter

[halcyon zephyr]

right side is great with my agri brauto and psword and swapping between the two depending on immenent threat, stacking attack speed for the other weapon.
Dealing with a horde and a pack of ragers comes in? Swap to brauto and dump the whole mag in 2 seconds into the rager's head,

[versed merlin]

understandable

[marsh condor]

I try to hit the head, but I usually either miss or hit the body instead.

[midnight totem]

Here's my melee vet build

[serene sage]

I just kinda kill the ragers with melee

[midnight totem]

Relatively new to darktide, but been running damnation with it regularly

[serene sage]

so yknow

[serene sage]

fire team chad

I like it

[scenic bronze]

I'm almost in this picture and I like it

[serene bough]

I've recently become a shredder frag believer

[midnight totem]

Chew through a small horde with melee then whip out the vraks 3 for ragers and specials, extra attack speed and crit chance on those headshots

[serene sage]

you weren't before?

[marsh condor]

Let me just say this

[serene bough]

No I used kraks more

[limber egret]

i also do like shredder frags i just really like having kraks

[serene bough]

But the twins fight showed me how effective it was against maulers

[marsh condor]

You can literally give me a gun with worse stability than the Bolter, and I will somehow be able to land more headshots with it than with a Bolter

[serene sage]

bolter crit body one tap nearly everything anyway so it's valid to go the body tap crit route

I would still say opening salvo is hardly worth it though

[marsh condor]

Is it better off on a revolver?

[serene sage]

if you get rid of Tunnel Vision and Opening Salvo for Close Quarter Drill and Confimed Kills, you are so much tankier imo

idk if it's good on anything except the las guns

since shocktrooper is a thing for the lases

like think about it, 10% crit on 10% of mag is 0.1 x 0.1 x CritModifier which is laughably low unless you are reloading constantly which also interferes with your DPS

[midnight totem]

I think there's a very niche build excellent for that

[south garnet]

it's "OK" on oldvolver

[midnight totem]

It's with the revolver

Yeah

[south garnet]

Just because I'm constantly loading it

[smoky shadow]

What's a good melee weapon combo with plasma

[south garnet]

an argument can be made for shotguns for similar reasons

[midnight totem]

I wonder if you can do weapon specialist with that build, for the automatic reload, if it works

[south garnet]

YES

It ensures you always have a round in the chamber for revolver, it's practically match-made for revolver between that and the guaranteed crit

Oh, I see what you mean, like if the auto-reload procs the 10% crit

[sharp ember]

basically anything, due to the nature of plasma. But I gravitate towards shovels and chain weapons

[south garnet]

IDK, but it doesn't matter either way with the guaranteed crit of the keystone itself

[serene bough]

I never used opening Salvo before

[midnight totem]

True enough

[serene sage]

crit should over flow

and if you are over 100% there should be a chance you crit twice

[south garnet]

Crit chance over 100% should roll straight into crit damage

at the very least

[serene bough]

Love me crits

But

[midnight totem]

Red crits

[south garnet]

I don't care if it's broken. Also uncap fire

[serene sage]

no no just let it be such that you can crit again

[serene bough]

I can't deny the crit calculation is saddening

[serene sage]

150% means you are guaranteed a crit, and 50% to do another

[sharp ember]

i don’t like using Opening Salvo at face value without some kind of crit synergy build

[south garnet]

Stacking crits would be hilarious

[serene sage]

this way the revolver might actually one shot bosses

[midnight totem]

Build called, one in the chamber

[serene bough]

I can see crit damage getting out of hand if it was calculated differently though

[south garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/vash-shoot-monster-anime-gif-12646389

[midnight totem]

I need to get used to executioner stance for the penance

Yesterday I went into a match with the wrong build

Stealth moment. Pulled out gun instead

[serene sage]

do I really need survivalist for shotguns or can I go for fire team?

🤔

[old quail]

u never need survivalist

break the chains

be free

[south garnet]

I like survivalist just because it helps maintain neutral ammo economy but it's not really necessary

[midnight totem]

You don't need survivalist imho, except for those missions with no ammo pickups

[south garnet]

The extra ammo node is generally enough

[serene sage]

cause with surv I go through an entire game and took like 2 small bags

and still full ammo

in the end

[versed merlin]

until you get kicked or everyone in the lobby leave

[tiny summit]

I like survivalist so I can keep shooting simple as

[serene bough]

True

[tiny summit]

But I have 1-2 loadouts without it so I don't have a game with 2 vets with it

[south garnet]

This is the "idiot, average 'smart' guy, enlightened genius" chart meme in action with survivalist on both ends

[midnight totem]

Without survivalist, I go through your average damnation with maybe, one or two full resupplies at most

[south garnet]

with average smart guy in the middle crying and saying it shouldn't be necessary don't take it it breaks the game waaaah

[limber egret]

so this is the current autogun im using

[serene sage]

idk, if you zoom a little to the right suddenly it's fire team again

[limber egret]

and oh boi its a lot of fun

[midnight totem]

But it really depends on your weapon and ammo usage

[serene sage]

cause afaik both people with level 1000+ that I know took fire team in their main build

[midnight totem]

Like I'm not emptying my vraks into a horde

[south garnet]

I think all 3 auras are fine, the real genius move is taking what saves you the most points

If I could I'd take movement speed every time, but alas

The gungryn can cry all he wants

[tiny summit]

Like bro...it's free ammo. Until fatshark does something with it the only thing I'm paying for is talent tax and most don't see vet keystones as make or break for builds. I can run w/o survivalist but also...free ammo

[junior needle]

Survivalist is very likely to give both you and your team more value than any points you'd save

[south garnet]

don't care

[junior needle]

It is better to die for the Emperor than to live for yourself

[tiny summit]

So the only reason I'm really not using survivalist is only my stealth MF loadout or because there's another vet with it

[midnight totem]

Loose cannot vets be like, ammo... for everybody?! You might shoot me in the back with it

[ivory forum]

i like survivalist because my team ogryn can go full dakka with grenade launcher

[midnight totem]

Yo you know how many vets I seen with survivalist when I was trying to do my accuracy penance?

[south garnet]

Lots prob

[midnight totem]

"I'm trying to run out of ammo, stop giving me more"

[south garnet]

Although all you have to do is spend your ammo to zero then switch to melee and never swap back

unless something changed

Replen into your ammo pool doesn't count if you don't swap to it

[tiny summit]

When thr Ogryn obliterates a whole shotgunner squad with the kickback and the survivalist kicks in

[midnight totem]

I even took a bolter, just instagibbed a boss and still by the end of the match I picked up 4 stray rounds and was like "damnit"

[south garnet]

I think I got it using a shotgun, but it was a longass time ago

[midnight totem]

I made it thankfully with my plasma gun

[south garnet]

The no damage one I got by accident at some point

[midnight totem]

No ammo pickups the entire match, ran out right at the finale and all was good

[tiny summit]

Was actually surprised when I decided to go for it I got it. After that match been a lot better with awareness and dmg mitigation

[south garnet]

Plasma's a good pick for it too yea

[serene sage]

nah fuck them, i hate gun focused ogryns with a passion

literally the most braindead style in the game

hold M1, hog ammo, die in melee

[inland orchid]

I’m glad I can choose to take off the ammo aura for that penance, props to whoever got it done with scav aura

[serene sage]

but you have 3 wounds by default so you can rinse in repeat

[south garnet]

Yea I think that penance is actually a really great one because it seems like it would be difficult to get, but in actuality it's just teaching you how to play properly

[unreal drum]

What exactly is braced mode supposed to do on the mk8bag?

[serene sage]

and it's always the Xbox players too since you don't need to aim with gungryn

a class made for bad players

[south garnet]

Most of the other penances are "what the fuck were you thinking fatshark"-tier

[serene sage]

i despite them

[tiny summit]

Idk man. Mashing LMB with my bull butcher regening toughness as Ogryn is my 🧠 kinda being off

Or wound mkxv evis zealot

[serene sage]

still take more brain than holding m1 at the general direction of the enemy

[sharp ember]

reduces vertical recoil and makes your spread slightly more horizontal, do not recommend using while moving

[serene sage]

when I have one I try to stay out of coherency so they don't get ammo

fuck them, they need to learn to melee

[sharp ember]

crouching and bracing does make you shoot reasonably accurately

[south garnet]

What's so fucked up about this is, and I don't usually play gungryn, but when I do I still save it for moments where it's actually needed. Meanwhile every gungryn I run into in pubs is on red ammo after like the VERY first horde

Insane

And then they get mad when other people pick up ammo

[serene sage]

and they run into your firing line

[south garnet]

WELL BITCH MAYBE DONT SPEND ALL YOURS IN ONE PLACE

[serene sage]

so they can shoot themselves

like I said, a style made for skill issue people

[quasi tulip]

I mean vets crutched on bolter and ps1 for a long time lol

[tiny summit]

I was whinging one match when I was dead. It was gunlug grenade launcher ogryn. He popped his ability shooting his grenades at the horde...outside of coherency while the vet has survivalist. Like bruh

[south garnet]

I suspect you're right about those ones that blow through rounds like singles at a strip club being low skill because they always end up going down like shockingly quick

Almost regardless of build ogryn should be the last one standing barring some particularly bizarre turn of events

[tiny summit]

That's just RPing Ogryn

He wouldve like gotten back like 10+ grenades with all the elites and specials that were coming their way

[slow garden]

Bro, toxic

[serene sage]

I am

[slow garden]

Chill youself amigo, you've got mudkip as a profile pic

Dont go givin him a bad rap now

[serene sage]

recently I play with just healthbar, ammo, and ult cd hud

i don't see teammate healths anymore

cause idc, dun need em

and no I actually play like this

[marsh condor]

Just a dumb thought that popped up in my mind.

[tiny summit]

Mudkip the chad but toxic starter. Fucking water type that evolves to be immune to electric? Fuck you

[slow garden]

Riight, well, you enjoy that then I guess.

[ivory forum]

"why would i even bother checking on my teammates in my coop game?"

[marsh condor]

Volley Lasgun when?

[serene sage]

I think the line actually learn toxic quite early too

[south garnet]

I think he was just saying they're blocking your shots to be able to spend their own ammo lol

[slow garden]

Don't even argue with him man, this dudes mind is made up. Ain't getting into my squads anytime soon with that attitude, tho

[south garnet]

lol

[unique orchid]

Either a multilas or a hellgun, uncertain if we will ever get either

[slow garden]

Mudkip needs some chill pill

[frail pond]

hello fellow veterans is this boltgun a good purchase from sire melk?

[unique orchid]

Not the worst

[marsh condor]

Multilas is a big weapon.

[slow garden]

Yeah not the worst

Not the best, but not the worst

[marsh condor]

Like, Twin-linked heavy Stubber big.

[unique orchid]

Yes

[slow garden]

Pinning fire is amazing

... Yeah I'd grab that

[serene sage]

I mean what am I supposed to do for them?
I don't really take medicae, maybe like once a game
I don't hold the green stim, I use it on whoever was downed immediately

[slow garden]

Worth.

[serene sage]

If they are netted/dogged, there is sound cues

[slow garden]

Swap gloryhunter and ranged damage specialists

[serene sage]

I just run to them

[slow garden]

Good ass boltgun there

[south garnet]

Helping teammates is for the weak of constitution and frail of mind

[serene sage]

godroll

glory to surgical and specialist to flak or elite

[frail pond]

no carapace?

[slow garden]

Just krak nade carapace

No need to waste your weapon perk on it

[frail pond]

aight

[serene sage]

You can, it's not a bad idea tbh, but you get more values out of the other stuff

[slow garden]

Krak nades for ogryn, boltgun for maniacs and flak and specials

Melee for everything else

[serene sage]

If you like it, it doesn't hurt tbh

[south garnet]

Idk if I want to spend ten gorillion ordos needed to build a surgical + pinning bolter when my shattering + pinning is doing OK. It's not that I don't want to try it out to see the difference, it's just I've been hurt so many times before

😿

[slow garden]

I mean hey don't do what you don't wanna do, bro

If your boltgun works it works

Maybe someday down the line invest in a surgical pinning when you feel like it

Besides, meta might change, they may change the blessings a ton later

[glossy swallow]

Hello germers. I have a lil question which may be hard to specifically answer. Might be depending on build, I know BUT in general.

I never know what the best blessings and pers to use on the Curios. Like, what are the best ones in general, and those you always pretty much wanna go for? I know that Zealot for example wants wounds. But in general.

Thanks :)

[slow garden]

toughness for Vet

Toughness toughness toughness. Maybe 1 wound if you arent confidant.

Get damage reduction on bombers, flamers, gunners, and sniper

Toughness regen

Annnd

[serene sage]

I just realized what you meant lol,
im not saying them to unalive
i meant so they can shoot the stuff by themselves by blocking other's LoS

[slow garden]

Lol oh I get you now

You good bro

[serene bough]

I still don't know how fireteam is useful

Love LC vet

[slow garden]

My bad xd

Thats the thing

Fireteam isnt useful

[serene bough]

Damn I sent those messages like 20 minutes ago

Internet trash on train

[slow garden]

And neither is the 5% movement speed aura

[serene bough]

Change aura to 50% move speed

[tiny summit]

[slow garden]

Hell yes

[tiny summit]

Vet zoomin' gamin'

[slow garden]

We zoom

[gusty grail]

mfw Youtube's Algo takes 3 days to realize your video is worth pushing.

Good morning vets

[slow garden]

all praise the algo god

Morning mate

[serene sage]

I think vets want some combination of Toughness, Health, Stamina, and maybe 1 Wound if you are into that
Perk wise it's usually Gunner, Sniper RES, more Toughness, Health, Stamina Regen Speed, and god forbid, Ordo Generator

[gusty grail]

All toughness imo

Esp if you are a shoutman

[trim hemlock]

All Ordo dockets is mandatory in this economy

[slow garden]

Tbh I never take stamina

Also all toughness is still super good even on shout man

[serene sage]

I use 2x3Stam for my Columnus Build

[tiny summit]

Morning. Reminds me I need to actually upload a clip where I joined a game, there's no enemies, no music, no sound and I type "it's quiet" and immediately all the spawn noises started happening and 1 guy went "suddenly its too loud"

[serene sage]

it's funny

[slow garden]

Bro whyyyyy tho

[serene sage]

deadshot

it sounds troll af ik

i had the same reaction when I heard it

but it actually works

[gusty grail]

I bet your build would be great with Revolver

[serene bough]

Is extra xp still on curios

[serene sage]

yeah 😔

[slow garden]

yea

[tiny summit]

Imagine if there was a material bonus option

[serene bough]

May roll that on my other toons to finally level them

[slow garden]

I ignore the docket bonus myself

Money aint that useful anyway

[trim hemlock]

I… honestly would still prefer ordos, I think

[serene bough]

Extra dockets optimal

[trim hemlock]

Ordos can get me good item bases, I can collect plasteel in the meantime

[serene sage]

maybe you should get idk, 10% more stuff if you join an already departed fire team?

[serene bough]

More opportunity to interact w/ trash crafting

[tiny summit]

I already do. I want more

[trim hemlock]

But I’m the type of person that checks the exchange like… 10 times a day, if I can afford it, so my perspective is a little different

[slow garden]

I just ignore the rng and buy my stuff directly out of the store

So I always know what I'm getting

[serene sage]

im running out of ordos faster than platsteel chasing 370+ near perfect guns tbh

[serene bough]

I do crafting maybe once a month

I pick a weapon I want to play with then never touch it for a while

[slow garden]

I check all my chars every rotation on the occasion I play

Damn psyker still doesnt have a staff

[tiny summit]

Right now rolling for my 80 dmg/stopping power helbore mk1

[serene sage]

like 1M ordo can get you what, 3-4 usable 370+? one of which is usually 60% damage so that's down to 2-3?

[trim hemlock]

Also, on my comment re: Ordo properties - ONLY take these if you’re feeling confident you can win consistently

Ordo docket perks make no sense if you’re losing

[slow garden]

I should take it on my ogryn I guess

Ogryn always wins

[serene sage]

yeah the high BST chase is a real ordo bottleneck

[serene bough]

Its about getting that sweet 550

Even if its completely trash

[tiny summit]

I mean...are the 3 different stats you can choose going to make or break you winning a game?

[serene bough]

That way you can post here and feel cool

[trim hemlock]

It can potentially get me hundreds of good bases, but I basically never buy things at Brunt’s, so there’s that

[serene sage]

i want to find the brickiest 550 there is

[trim hemlock]

Brunt is a money sink that is veeery against you

[serene bough]

One thing I wish I did was keep the lowest tier trash roll possible from level 1

[tiny summit]

I actually got 1 last night. Now to see if Hadron bricks it

[glossy swallow]

Yeah, i'd win

[slow garden]

Just wait for good rolls to pop up in brunts shop and buy it outright, even if its blue

Saves plasteel and dockets

[serene sage]

wait how do you craft then? just Melk?

[gusty grail]

90% of the weapons I end up using start at Brunts

[serene sage]

I think I got a natural 370 PS with PC4 from Brunt

[trim hemlock]

Maybe, I don’t know, I don’t feel like changing the 3x ordo perks for say, Max health, to survive accidents with poxbursters will make a huge difference, because I still will be one step away from dying

[serene sage]

but memory is hazy

[serene bough]

The only 380 I have is bolter

[trim hemlock]

For optimisation’s sake, Ordo perks are not optimal

[serene bough]

ORDOS OPTIMAL

[slow garden]

My 380 powersword was from brunts store, I bought it was a grey

[trim hemlock]

They are a flex that allow you to get more resources

[slow garden]

Turned it into a 450 god roll

[tiny summit]

Currency is optimal

[serene bough]

I will accept no other opinions

[inland orchid]

Mine would be a braced Columbus autogun

[serene sage]

ORDOS OPTIMAL

[trim hemlock]

(I secretly believe this )

[serene sage]

you shoot good if reward is good

it's a motivation

[trim hemlock]

It’s a psychological drive for sure

[serene bough]

Bigger number gooder number

[tiny summit]

I live with at least 8% ordos to change the other stats

[serene bough]

Its just science

[slow garden]

May run ordo on my ogryn, but veterans a bit too squishy

Needs the damage reductions

[serene sage]

is that why the US national debt is increasing day by day?

[slow garden]

I need a good ogryn buddy to run him with

[serene bough]

We have to be #1, remember?

[trim hemlock]

The only caveat is that my friends make fun of me for having two separate (if AT LEAST) sets of curios, one for sweaty gameplay, and one for sweatier gameplay (the ordo ones)

[final locust]

what do you mean bro

[fast lichen]

what's a good brace autogun for a voice of command build?

[slow garden]

I mean thats fine

[serene bough]

Always #1

[tiny summit]

My ogryn has been blessed by the emprah. Sure I do feel like spending on him to get him more and better stuff but he was like just given really solid stuff at 30

[slow garden]

I like agripanaa

[final locust]

mr i dont read, what are you yappin about my dude

[slow garden]

but thats me

The extra range on the brace is nice

[slow garden]

It's not dps if your missing your shots afterall

[serene bough]

The key strategy is to never miss a bullet

[fast lichen]

i thanks for suggestion

[slow garden]

I mean ey bro, helbore exists for a reason

[serene bough]

Youre welcome glad I could help

[tiny summit]

Brautos: if a guns aim was drunk

[serene sage]

is it me or the Agripinaa line generally has better range?

[slow garden]

Speaking of I want to try helbore sometime

Yeah it does

It has the precision keyword

[serene bough]

No idea I never tried brautos

[serene sage]

like Agi shotty has better range, Agri auto better range

is Agri HH better range wise then Vraks?

[tiny summit]

Shoot a room full of gunners with helbore > hit reload > you never used ammo

[slow garden]

Nice

I enjoy not using ammo

[serene bough]

I never noticed if there was a pattern between the names & marks

[inland orchid]

Ya blessings share between name weapon types

[tiny summit]

Helbore being the most ammo positive gun and the vet basically not needing to pick up any ammo

[inland orchid]

I.e all braced autoguns share the same blessings

Even if it’s a diff pattern if they share a weapon type it should use the same blessings as the others

[slow garden]

Mhm, the manufacturing world does each have it's own difference though.

Columnus has a fat ass magazine.

Agripana has more accuracy.

Etc, etc.

[serene sage]

The 3 combat shotguns should be different marks and not different families imo

[slow garden]

I really hope the shotguns get a little more love sometime later

They're very fun but oof that reload speed

[serene sage]

Yeah it's definitely oof to load the 13 or whatever shells

But it's fun to play

[serene bough]

Love the kanteael shotty

[midnight totem]

Dunno, I feel a bit Arbiter Foreboding with the reload

[serene bough]

Agri I used for the twins fight but that's all

[serene sage]

They can probably use a little more cleave though

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-gun-thats-a-shame-rifle-reload-gif-16005192

[slow garden]

More cleave would be really nice

[serene bough]

That's why I take the kantrael

[slow garden]

I'd also like the special attack to load a bit quicker

[serene bough]

Jts got decent cleave

Slap on scatter shot and it'll crit often as well

[midnight totem]

They definitely lack a bit of the meaty thump that the Vermintide grudge makers have

[slow garden]

Hmm

[serene bough]

Scattershot + no respite

[serene sage]

I love my Agri shotty though

[slow garden]

I have a preference for the darktide shotguns myself, but only because the grudge rakers have fuck nothing for range in VT

[serene bough]

I havent used it in months

[slow garden]

And super tiny mag

[serene sage]

Wait is the law higher damage than agri?

Does anyone know

[serene bough]

I dont know

[midnight totem]

Same damage I thought

Different special

[serene bough]

I want to like the law special

But

No like

[zealous wyvern]

law is what

[midnight totem]

They should rework the lawbringer special and I know just the solution

[serene bough]

The og shotgun

[zealous wyvern]

i meant what is the special. slug, fan out?

[slow spade]

We need combi-shotguns with a plasma gun duct taped below it

[serene bough]

Fan out

[zealous wyvern]

i dont see the point in fanout

[midnight totem]

Make it a double shot blast with higher shorts range power and less long range power and higher spread

[slow spade]

Hit wider

[zealous wyvern]

its purely for horde management and loading the special takes extra time

[serene bough]

Yeah same, I really wanna like it but it's not that great

[zealous wyvern]

which is the whole point of managing hordes

its just not good enough

[serene bough]

If it staggered ragers that would be better

[zealous wyvern]

its a special made to save you time

[slow spade]

Clearly they need to give fanout infinite cleave

[zealous wyvern]

but you invest time for using it

cleave on fanout would be weird though

shouldnt it be the opposite?

slug has piercing

[slow spade]

Infinite cleave on all shots

Ez fix

[serene sage]

I think it's recently buffed enough that with Flechette you kill everything

[zealous wyvern]

flechette was bleed?

[serene sage]

yeah

by everything I mean normal horde

and it synergizes with scattershot

[serene bough]

How many bleed stakes

Stacks

[serene sage]

6 stacks

that's like frag nade stacks

but I think the base damage is higher on Law than nade's initial explosion

so walkers should all die

[serene bough]

I see

Is manstopper good

[serene sage]

only against male enemies

[midnight totem]

Only against men

Doesn't work on pox hounds

[serene bough]

Or tox flamers

Damn

[serene sage]

listen, im just saying

for all we know, Crusher might be a female ogryn

[serene bough]

Ogryn lore be damned I wanted a playable female ogryn

[midnight totem]

I wonder if ogryns has marital issues

[glossy swallow]

Sorry to budge in again, fellas. This is just a lil info I gathered from asking all the different classes which curio blessings and perks they would use.

X Gunner Resistance (10)
VIII Health (8)
VI Toughness Regen (6)
II Stamina Regen (2)
VIII Toughness (8)
IV Ordo Dockets (4)
I Corruption Resistance
V Sniper Resistance (5)
II Wound (2)
I Bomber Resistance
I Flamer Resistance
I Stamina
I Ability Cooldown

Would you say this feels accurate? :)

[midnight totem]

"Babe, I love you, but I love the Emprah too"

[serene bough]

Not enough Stam regen believers

[midnight totem]

I run double Stam regen on my vet

[serene bough]

Im not sure if ogryns can comprehend marriage

[tardy plaza]

Depends on the build really

[idle swallow]

Got triple ability cooldown and dockets cuz my vet is there to yell and make money

[tardy plaza]

My vet uses three +2 stamina and stamina regen curios because deadshot

[midnight totem]

My vet uses 1 hp, 1 wound, 1 3 Stam curio

Trying to rework them though

Like I have a pox hound resistance curio, but I need to swap it with a burster

[slow spade]

People don't use ability cooldown?

Weird

[slow spade]

Sadly nothing protects against bursters

[midnight totem]

Bomber right?

[slow spade]

Nope

I'd imagine VoC would have used Ability Cooldown

[midnight totem]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/17nn4cw/i_scraped_through_the_source_code_to_understand/?rdt=53246

[slow spade]

If you saw this post, then you'd know bursters can't be resisted outside of extra toughness

[midnight totem]

I'm still reading through it tbh

[still flare]

If situation permits, I'll pop VoC before a burster explodes. Many many times it saves people's health from inevitable QP fuck ups

Kark'n things

[slow spade]

Born Leader now working also means VoC can almost fully restore a teammate's toughness too

Assuming you have a lot of toughness that is

[still flare]

That stacks? 👀

[slow spade]

Yeah

[still flare]

Nice

[slow spade]

Iirc my VoC gives about +85 toughness

Which is comfy

Gunners begone

[midnight totem]

So if I'm reading this correctly

The perk doesn't work?

Well thats shit

[devout patio]

Guys do you know who is counted when the blessings say gunner resists on curios

[serene sage]

Dreg gunners and scab gunners

So the stubber and hotshot las people

Normal enemies don't count

[devout patio]

What about shotguners and reapers

[inland orchid]

Ya the regular troopers don’t care

[serene sage]

Shotgunners don't, I don't think Reapers do either

[slow spade]

It was a calculation assuming it did work

Basically "would it have been worth it"

[midnight totem]

Lame, alas

[idle swallow]

I've been wanting to use the helbore for a more traditional DMR role but man these vanilla sights are ass, at least give us a ring sight or something if we gotta go irons

[inland orchid]

I would recommend the power of customization mod but I don’t think that would permanently fix the problem

[junior needle]

It's a perpetual bandaid for as long as the mod keeps being made

Unfortunately fatshark works at a snails pace even for simple things

[dense gyro]

is the tunnel vision perk any good?

[junior needle]

What does that do

[lilac sky]

You, specifically, will never achieve a hat, especially with your lack of reading comprehension

[slow spade]

No

[slow spade]

Toughness regen talent for Marksmen keystone

[crude ermine]

I feel reapers are

Not shotgunners

I don't think they even have anything in regards

[final locust]

why are you being so toxic bro 😢

[lilac sky]

Why do you keep pinging the wrong person

[final locust]

idk bro, there was an argus who used to be here, thought you were him

sorry man

he didnt show up on the @ yesterday

dont need to be so rude my man

[lilac sky]

So you just picked the next one on the list?

https://tenor.com/view/think-mark-invincible-omniman-gif-21416554

Youve been doing it for weeks man

[final locust]

weeks?

I haven't @ you until yesterday

[lilac sky]

Nope

Learn to read my man

[final locust]

man

bro is toxic

[lilac sky]

Yes.

Learn to read, please and thank you

https://tenor.com/view/out-disappear-bye-vanished-gif-4932063

[final locust]

learn how to be a decent person please

thank you

https://tenor.com/view/bye-gif-25901726

[lilac sky]

https://tenor.com/view/appear-in-hello-appears-tww-gif-18059163

[lilac sky]

No

https://tenor.com/view/out-disappear-bye-vanished-gif-4932063

[final locust]

epic my guy

i checked

[inland orchid]

Ngl u both having default pfps make this interaction funnier to me

[final locust]

somethings wrong with your discord

I dont have a default pfp

only @ you the last 2 days mr argus

[inland orchid]

Oh the power of mobile compels me got ya

[final locust]

@restive mountain get a load of this guy trying to steal your name

[final locust]

i agree, the default PFP argument is perfection

we move on to other argus'

I will find the right one

[inland orchid]

What if they’re both the real argus

[crude ermine]

Mitosis

[restive mountain]

What's good?

[lilac sky]

Ayy my man

[restive mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/dap-gif-24405692

[lilac sky]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-handshake-muscle-strong-man-gif-5783927

[final locust]

this man was being toxic to me

because I thought he was you

apart from that

I have an epic veteran build for throwing grenades and shooting, cant wait for FS to change the value of something by 1% and reset it

[inland orchid]

Plasma vets and psykers when blowing themselves up(there was a special/elite that died so it was worth it)

[restive mountain]

Aye lets go

[quartz haven]

are there any aquila bought revolver skins out?

[restive mountain]

did you see the vet cosmetics I posted

[feral lake]

Anyone got a good build for a heavy gunner sort of build

[idle swallow]

Like spray n pray with a braced autogun or recon Lasgun what we talkin here

[feral lake]

Mow down everything with a braced auto gun

I’ve kinda got that going rn but I feel like it could be better

[woven geode]

Hi, what's the highest single target dps gun in the game for veterans? I wanna be backline just picking out specialists/elites/etc

[quartz haven]

probably plasma gun

[woven geode]

hmm

[stiff pasture]

Yep

Plasma’s perfect

Obviously be careful, but assuming you do that you’ll be fine

[terse idol]

Well you don't really gotta be careful IF YOU MEET THE BREAKPOINTS

Can't blow up on left click

[median moat]

what would y'all say is the best crowd clear melee for vet?

[terse idol]

The lasgun Ia isn't a bad choice either if that's your flavour

[median moat]

which kind of lasgun?

[trim steppe]

The Ia is an infantry lasgun

[median moat]

ah gotcha

[trim steppe]

Probably power sword (with PC), the cleave is just unmatched

[median moat]

which mark?

[trim steppe]

The 6 is probably the objective choice. I'm still a mk3 simp tho

Idk the mk6 has never felt as good as the mk3 to me even tho the math is better on the 6

[agile forge]

What does the best power sword look like? I guess obviously power cycler IV but idk about other blessings and perks (especially slaughterer vs bromentum)

I wanna try a mkVI

[final locust]

how have you been me boy, also i didnt see the cosmetics

[serene sage]

Why is my ogryn teammate having the situational awareness of a deer in a headlight and the reaction speed of the same deer after it is hit?

[trim steppe]

Bromentum is vastly better than slaughterer. So you want PC and then either bromentum or sunder. Bromentum is better for straight up chaf clear, sunder helps deal with mixed in elites.

[serene sage]

Dude just plonks his shield down then die to fire

[median moat]

Bone’ead machine broke

[agile forge]

I'm starting out running it with a plasma so I'll go for the bromentum variant

[serene sage]

yeah go for it

[agile forge]

I guess it's still good enough to kill elites too, at least the maniac/flak/unarmoured ones

[serene sage]

power sword unironically kills everything

[trim steppe]

Both are good against all armor, the mk6 kills them faster with the push attack

[restive mountain]

Slowly beginning to distance myself from the community

[agile forge]

So how much of a difference would sunder make? I guess for those 10+ crusher party packs it helps more there?

[restive mountain]

Seen too many mentally unstable people in this discord

[trim steppe]

sunder lets you just swing spam into hordes and not get caught on armor, so you can keep clearing chaf while chunking elites. Otherwise you gotta poke the elites before continuing to sweep clear chaf

[agile forge]

ooh, thought it was a rending thing

[final locust]

oh, i just pop in for a chat every now and again, where are these cosmetics also?

[restive mountain]

@final locust

[agile forge]

so it'll make a difference mostly on maulers and crushers still, then

I guess?

[trim steppe]

perseonally I almost never run sunder, bromentum feels good and increases my horde clear speed which is what i want. I almost always pair it with a good ST gun for the elites

[trim steppe]

ya

[agile forge]

Maulers and crushers are run killers, but if I'm gonna go plasma then I don't really need the extra help on them

k, just need a power cycler IV to drop

I've got PCIII but it makes me too sad

[trim steppe]

LOL yeah thats the hard part, its the rarest in the game

[agile forge]

I've seen it in the melk shop before with about 100 bucks too little to get it

[serene sage]

I swear Flechette and Manstopper are rarer

[agile forge]

and I've been playing since release on and off pretty much

They're not easily available at level 30 is the problem

you gotta get them either on a new character or get lucky with the requisition shop

[trim steppe]

I usually run plasma/bromentum ps/krak nades. Plasma will kill anything at any range, ps clears groups like noones business, and kraks kill anything mixed into the chaf if my plasma cant deal with it fast enough. between the 3 you have solutions to any problem in any combination

[agile forge]

that's my plan

exactly that

with shouty ult

[trim steppe]

that is pain. ya I was poor for months grinding for it before i found it at melks shop

[serene sage]

highly recommend armory exchange

for hunting random stuff

[flint oyster]

You can’t get these from rolling if you are level 30 as you’ll only get tier III and IV blessings at that point. Either have to wait for them to shop up at brunt’s or level a new veteran or zealot to 17 or so and start rolling for it.

[terse idol]

Kantrael infantry Ia

[serene sage]

that's... what I'm trying to say

[midnight totem]

I'm sorry. But what kinda fucked up system is this?

[quasi socket]

the one that wont get fixed

[flint oyster]

I see lol, I’ve heard of people wasting thousands of resources at level 30 trying to roll for it only to find out it can’t be done. I’m doing this now with my level 17 veteran, the cost to consecrate is like half of what it usually is so it’s not too bad. Got manstopper, now I’m just looking for flechette.

[quasi socket]

because it'll break the gameplay loop

[serene sage]

i think level 2 can still drop but it's rarer?

[final locust]

looks cool, i like the hats but im desperate for some more proper helmets

[restive mountain]

SO

AMIGO

[final locust]

as opposed to hats or helmets that are just mashed together pieces of scrap

[terse idol]

Ideally fs just adds in a blessing shop

[serene sage]

there's a scion one

[restive mountain]

There's a Scion helmet

Closed face helmet too

[trim steppe]

That's not entirely true, if you roll lower level items (like sub 315) you have a chance at T2. But yeah better to just hunt at Brunts

[serene sage]

10k plasteel for level one, plus 10k more for each level up

take it or leave it

[restive mountain]

@final locust

Glowing eyes too

[terse idol]

Good enough, 40k for power cycler 4

[final locust]

😮

I CANNOT WAIT

FOR THIS

I also really want a kasrkin helmet

but who doesnt

[restive mountain]

Well here's the thing

[flint oyster]

I think it has to do with the weapons stat score. I heard that you can’t roll tier II blessings on 300+ weapon scores and at level 30 you can’t roll a weapon lower than 300

[terse idol]

That is technically a Kasrkin helmet

[restive mountain]

There's a scions backpack that has been in the code as well

YOu've seen me post it like 8 billion times

[final locust]

theres probably gonna be a full set no?

[restive mountain]

I'd assume so

[serene sage]

most likely yeah

[final locust]

I think you know what Kasrkin helmet I mean

[terse idol]

Woops nevermind

I'm mixing up things

[restive mountain]

They just haven't created the top and bottom yet

[trim steppe]

Change it to diamantine and you got yourself a deal. Honestly 1000 diamantine for a T4 blessing of choice (250 per tier?):sounds like a healthy balance

[final locust]

that helmet looks so damn cool argus

[serene sage]

im running lower in diamantine than plasteel

like proportionally

[trim steppe]

How tf

I have 8k plasteel and 40k diamantine

[terse idol]

Hopefully the helmet changes our voices like the psykers helmets do

[serene sage]

get high BST
upgrade to Blue
swap the blessing at Blue to tier 4 of something you dont want
keep going until Orange
replace back at orange the blessing you screwed

[terse idol]

I haven't been able to confirm if this even woorks

[restive mountain]

I'm just hoping there's an entire outfit with it

[terse idol]

Because you can still roll for a t3

[final locust]

@restive mountain the helmet I REALLY want is this

[restive mountain]

I mean give it time

[celest vine]

I want this to release

[final locust]

with the full set of armour too

would be nice

[serene sage]

it's just gaming the odds. I have the platsteel and diamantine to spare

but ordos is actually lacking

[final locust]

me too, i'll open the dam that is my bank account

[trim steppe]

This still costs like 1800 plasteel and only 400 diamante per item. Which is like 2-3 runs worth of plasteel and 1-2 runs worth of diamantine

[final locust]

let the dolla flow

[terse idol]

We may see winter gear for Christmas before this but who knooows

[restive mountain]

I feel like if FS see the sales numbers of the scion helmet do well, they'd probably start releasing more closed face helmets

[serene sage]

since hunting 370+ with good distribution is ordoo heavy

[restive mountain]

Ice mourn outfits

[lusty jetty]

What's the dump stat for a MkVI Power Sword?

[trim steppe]

Hunt at Brunts instead of the rec shop, way easier on the wallet

[lusty jetty]

Assuming Finesse because Brutal Momentum will make it redundant

[trim steppe]

Mobility and cleave targets

[lusty jetty]

By Finesse I meant Cleave

[serene sage]

I think if you run from grey to orange you have the correct amount of pla to dia?
im spending more resources on the later stages, so it's slightly more dia heavy?

[lusty jetty]

Thanks

[serene sage]

math checks out?

[serene sage]

what do you mean?

I am not gonna camp outside Brunt shop waiting for RNG with a game open 24/7 lol

i have life

[trim steppe]

Shop hourly for 370+ items instead of unloading ordos at the rec shop for 99% low stat items of a single type

[serene sage]

yeah, im not doing that haha

bruh

[trim steppe]

Lol

[serene sage]

this is Darktide, not some weird persistent game

[terse idol]

I mean

[serene sage]

im not checking it hourly, fuck even the Muslims don't pray that much and they take their religion seriously

[terse idol]

If you want to cook the best items yeag you gotta dump on brunt for greys

[serene sage]

[lusty jetty]

ah thanks Hadron. I already have Power Cycler IV + Rampage III on my current PS, is Sunder > Rampage?

[terse idol]

Do the math to see how many hours

Its going to take

To roll 1 specific 370+ weapon

With good modifiers

In Brent's shop

How many weapons does vet have?

[trim steppe]

Sunder > rampage

[terse idol]

How many Grey's show up in brunts shop?

Like 2?

[lusty jetty]

Alright cool, I lucked into PC IV which means I will be waiting forever for BM IV, Sunder it is

[terse idol]

Its better unfortunately to dump millions of ordos

Unless you want to play this game until you retire

[trim steppe]

See that's the problem, if you want 1 weapon yeah drop the bucks at the rec shop. But if you just buy every single 370+ you see whenever you're at a shop, you'll always have a base to upgrade when a weapon gets a glowup into the meta. Long term planning lol

[terse idol]

Sure

[serene sage]

I mean I already do that when I'm at my desk playing

[terse idol]

That's good

[lusty jetty]

Looky what Hadron made for me last night, only 1 reroll needed

[serene sage]

just check Brunt at the beginning, mid, and end session

[lusty jetty]

I used to be a Vraks III hater because the Vraks VII is dope but man this thing fucks pretty hard

[serene sage]

for some reasons I don't vibe with the vraks

they are cool though

[agile forge]

Think the usual choices are Sunder vs Brutal Momentum

[trim steppe]

While I'm playing I just check all my characters shops hourly with the exchange. If some 370s show up I swap over and pick em up between missions. Ive rarely ever needed to hunt for a base, if I want to play a shotgun or something I always have 10 green/greys to fish with

[serene sage]

yeah okay we are doing the same thing then

[trim steppe]

I wish this was on my vet (its on my zealot)

[serene sage]

bruh

a perfect 550

[lusty jetty]

sick vraks bruh

[junior needle]

Sunder and brutal are the best blessings. Sunder gives you more cleave and lets your swings go through bulwark shields and crushers (it stops it if hits them otherwise). Brutal is better for chaffe murdering with first target damage application to multiple one shottable targets.

[lusty jetty]

The trick to loving Vraks is to start pretending it's a normal autogun or shotgun
Too many people try to adopt sniper mindset and it's just not effective like that unless you're pretty good with it
Just run it in a normal build, it is a very effective weapon

[lusty jetty]

Thanks 😄

[midnight totem]

Vraks is a battle rifle

[vagrant heart]

anyone got tips on doing the On Overwatch penance?

[half rose]

is that the 90 percent accuracy one

[vagrant heart]

no the dont get hit

no melee dmg

[midnight totem]

Don't get hit

[half rose]

be a massive coward and get carried by the team.

[vagrant heart]

lol thanks

[midnight totem]

XD

I mean

Play ranged

Stay in the back

But keep your head on a swivel

[trim steppe]

Play low-int malice, learn the maps and hug walls but stay away from spawn points. Aggressively shoot everything that gets near you or your team so your team can clear everything easier, if you just hide it's more likely stuff will slip through and get you. Ideally get a discord group that knows what you're doing so they can help. Just play every game like youre gonna get it even if you already failed, you'll get it eventually

[midnight totem]

For loners

Take a fast melee weapon if you do have to engage in melee

Like a catachan devil claw

[vagrant heart]

thanks, i will try that

[trim steppe]

Also keep your gun out most of the time so shooters keep theirs out and don't swipe you when you turn a corner. Dodge a lot. When it comes to a hard place block and push. Run 3 stam curios so you have lots of block

[vagrant heart]

good shit, thanks man

are there any known cheese strats that still work?'

saw some online, but they were pretty old

[trim steppe]

Idk I got it like 10 months ago so I dunno what works rn

[vagrant heart]

yeah guess i will just keep grinding

[midnight totem]

Could also run voice of command or stealth

[half rose]

also run ammo regen aura

cause ranged is obviously important for this penance

[trim steppe]

You can run stealth build with -threat, it will probably help. Shout would also be good to keep your shield up to tank a hit without losing, and for the knockback. Don't take exec stance

[midnight totem]

Also, works well with grenade spam

[vagrant heart]

does hits on toughness count as melee dmg?

[half rose]

no only health

[vagrant heart]

good shit

[half rose]

so basically if your health is in any way reduced by a melee hit you lose

but if it's only toughness dmg its fine

[trim steppe]

When I went for mine, I stacked attempts for no hit, no health loss, and 15 games in a row without going down. They all require defensive play and awareness. Losing out on 1 still lets you try for the others so a run isn't a "waste", it helps your sanity lol. Honestly going for them really helped me learn defensive skills early and made me good at the game

[midnight totem]

Oh yeah. Everybody should know how to solo a hoard without getting hit with the melee of their choice

[terse idol]

I will say though you need to be carwful about how much you dodge

Dodge too much and you'll kill your dodge

Blocking shoving primarily I'm even working on it still

Because you can rapidly drain your dodge so fast

[trim steppe]

Yeah accurate. Another good skill to practice

[half rose]

vet has lowest stamina regen out of all the classes iirc

though there are two nodes on the tree that improve it

[terse idol]

I don't remember that, buy I run max stamina regen curios

[trim steppe]

Really just don't look at it like something to cheese, just practice all the time as if you're gonna earn it even if you already took damage, you get used to playing hyper defensively and it'll pop before you know it, AND you'll be super good at the game by the end. 90% of beating aurics is just knowing how to avoid hits

[half rose]

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are these any good

i have them on my vet

[trim steppe]

Yes

Looks like a good setup if you block a lot

[cedar pecan]

I can still salvage this by putting deadly accurate instead of falter and damage to flak instead of groaners and poxwalkers, right?

[midnight totem]

Toughness regen sucks though

@cedar pecan yes, it's still more than usable

[trim steppe]

Yeah. Ranged crit dam isn't great but still a very serviceable weapon

[idle dirge]

Is it? I thought it also shortened the time before toughness starts to regen

[midnight totem]

Yes but you're a vet and you regen Toughness by killing

[trim steppe]

I used to run toughness Regen on all my curios, but I pretty much only run it on my Ogryn now. I prefer straight +% health/toughness. Or gunner/sniper res for you since you don't have any

[midnight totem]

So, you should already be regening

[idle dirge]

When I get my new vet to level 30 I’ll probably put corruption resist on everything, and.. something else I guess

[trim steppe]

Toughness Regen on curios only affects Regen from coherency, so it's not great except on Ogryn (you boost it extra with Lynchpin and it's great)

[midnight totem]

^

[trim steppe]

Health/toughness, gunner/sniper res, stam regen, and 1 corruption res are the ones I like to run on my vet curios

[midnight totem]

So basically with toughness regen on the second two curios are rather useless

At least you can still reroll the first

[trim steppe]

I couldn't say useless, it's still ok. There's just better choices overall

[half rose]

what should i make the two other perks on the 17 toughness one then

[idle swallow]

I want to run helbore for a bit for variety, what should I change on this one

[trim steppe]

Also I'd run 3 or 0 instances of toughness Regen, 3 is serviceable, but 1 or 2 is just a waste of slots

[trim steppe]

Sustained to onslaught, infested to maniac

[trim steppe]

How much do you block? I hardly ever block on vet so I don't really run block efficiency. So I'd roll all those to gunner resist personally, but your play style might be very different from me.

[terse idol]

What do you run now?

Its hard to go wrong with 3x gunner res

[idle swallow]

thank ya kindly

[half rose]

does gunner resistance effect only the elite gunners, or does it effect the regular guardsmen with guns as well?

[terse idol]

But stay away from combat ability reduction

Block efficiency will help block heavy hitters maulers, bosses

[trim steppe]

Only elite gunners and reapers. Not shotgunners or normies

[half rose]

are longshot and vanguard at all important for vet builds?

by that i mean the 20 sprint efficency and 20 ranged damage ones at the very beginning of the tree

[slow garden]

20 ranged damage is important for breakpoints at longe range, yea

[trim steppe]

Vanguard is meh but takes you to out for blood which is super good. Longshot is incredible with the right weapons

Don't take longshot with the agri brauto for example, but on plasma or a lasgun it's great

[terse idol]

Long shot does in theory help with any damage fall off

[trim steppe]

For reference my 9 curio perks are 3x gunner res, 2x hp, 2x stam regen, 1x sniper res and 1x corruption res.

[idle dirge]

What’s the difference between the chain axes?

[half rose]

is it worth going down the middle and right trees for the two 25 toughness boosts, 10 rending and 10 melee attack speed?

[slow garden]

Yeah

Worth for the rending at least

M-attack speed is tentative

[trim steppe]

Depends on your build and weapons tbh

[slow garden]

25 toughness is good

[trim steppe]

All are good with the right stuff or not worth it with the wrong stuff

[half rose]

i mean the melee attack speed is one away from the 25 toughness so i figure i might as well

[slow garden]

If there's nothing better to take, take it

The rending is more important though

Unless your melee spec veteran I guess but, well

Play zealot if you want to melee build is my hot take

[trim steppe]

10% rending is a nice bonus if you're already going middle but not worth diving for it otherwise

[slow garden]

Or better yet, Ogryn

[terse idol]

I'm gonna say it

[slow garden]

Dont say it smudgels!!

[terse idol]

But weapon spec is on par with melee zealot

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-fly-aaa-cat-fly-off-gif-26782971

[slow garden]

Holy shit that cat flies

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-mario-bowser-junior-throwing-throw-gif-24494954

[inland orchid]

I’ve been only doing middle keystone so I can’t defend/offend ur point

[slow garden]

Personally I disagree, but I respect your gumption brother

Vet is also the only especially reliable ranged class in the game, so I tend to be very biased toward any build that leans into that. I see it as Vet's "Job" to kill things at range.

But yknow I'm not your mum lads

Do as your heart desires

[half rose]

i have literally never spent points on a veteran keystone. they just dont seem as useful as the keystones of other classes

[slow garden]

Only good keystone is melee build keystone

[lusty jetty]

Respectfully disagree

[idle dirge]

I think the vet keystones are, at best, uninteresting