veteran-class

[gusty bison]

If no buy it and get the blessing

[frail pond]

dang I only have enough melk bucks for this

[frank ether]

melk bucks are easy if you have no life

and can do weeklies on 4 alts

[frail pond]

[junior needle]

Nope. Poor stats to use as a base, 3/4 scuffed perks/blessing wise, and brutal 1 is 99% as powerful as brutal 4.

[abstract moth]

Yeah but I'm saying that's why I don't find all the gun a 8 like you said, I always aim for the head and with the poor sights we have and the stability for some in long distances that's why they're definitely not a 8 for me

[frail pond]

is the melk random better option?

[gusty bison]

Wait what?

Infantry Las have among the worst stability

[gaunt hinge]

whats your top 5 least stable guns

[abstract moth]

The quick one is but you can always get one with high stability

[gusty bison]

If we dont count braced guns?

[thick rose]

columnus with low stab

is unfun

[empty heron]

Any PC veterans actually prefer braced guns?

[thick kestrel]

not nessecarily prefer, but certainly enjoy

[empty heron]

I can see that

[thick kestrel]

the mk8 agrii is a damn solid gun

[thick rose]

I don't know why anyone would use braced over iag now that ive tried a couple

[abstract moth]

I mean I like braced autoguns for killing hordes thats it

[thick kestrel]

and still works in a close range exe stance loadout

[gaunt hinge]

agri is still probably the only braced still worth anything

[gusty bison]

Jesus. Id say Inf Las and Bolter are fighting for top spot on this

[gusty bison]

Zealots

Like looking through the list of guns

Yea

Inf las and bolter probably are the least stable

[thick rose]

the agri IAG is pretty good out to a useful range without aim ing down sight

[gusty bison]

If we dont count braced guns

[thick rose]

and feels better and more reliable than brace

[gusty bison]

You can beam a target at 60m with agri iag if u burst fire

[abstract moth]

8 out of 10 I've always seen zealots with revolvers tbh

[gusty bison]

Revolver is ok on zealot

Frankly zealots dont have particularly good gun choices

[empty heron]

autopistol used to be bonkers on zealot

[abstract moth]

They have the flamer and we dont

[gusty bison]

Yes but the flamer is even slower than the bolter to pull out

[abstract moth]

But is lots of fun

[tardy plaza]

Braced autogun is pretty good but yeah Zealot is the mega melee class

[abstract moth]

Plus I'd definitely wouldn't take it to be precise or for long distances targets

[gusty bison]

The other issue of flamer on zealot atm is its kinda an overlap with their kit

Cos if its in flamer range

Its in murder range

[low oar]

Flamer is great for mixed horde

[abstract moth]

Also I friggin want the las sniper the sniper has, like why in the f they didn't add it yet, welp idk if they ever will

[gusty bison]

So is heavysword tbh

[low oar]

Eh

[sharp ember]

i feel a strange way when i’m screening for a zealot for them to user their flamer from the back line

[gusty bison]

And evis

[median belfry]

flamer's decent as a repellant, to create space for vets that are allergic to using their melee weapons

[gusty bison]

They can murder 4 ragers in 1 swing iirc

[low oar]

It's way safer to deal with those issues with flamer

[crude ermine]

Can confirm

[gusty bison]

Its zealot thou

They are safe either way

[crude ermine]

Usually when I see a rager horde I tell my team "hey you wanna see me one shot 4 fucking ragers"

[low oar]

Yeah and 4 ragers can down you in like 0.5 sec if they're all hitting you

[gusty bison]

Not a zealot

Not even close

[tardy plaza]

4 ragers are not an issue

[median belfry]

zealot has anti-instadeath hacks

[serene sage]

but you should be aiming for the head though

[abstract moth]

Zealots is the safest class tbh

[gusty bison]

Yea but some days im LAAAAAAAAZY

[tardy plaza]

Nah Ogryn

[serene sage]

there are some really good breakpoints

[median belfry]

it's fucking funny to just eat rager karate and walk out with lime 50% hp

[sharp ember]

4 ragers i sleep
16 ragers Dickot get the plasma gun

[crude ermine]

With a CD that takes as long as tying your shoes

[serene sage]

you can one tap ragers with it

[tardy plaza]

Until Death doesn't matter if you're bad because you'll go down as soon as it expires

[median belfry]

[12+ shooters want to know your location]

[serene sage]

and like 2 tap maulers

[tardy plaza]

Me lifting my shield

[gusty bison]

Ok fair

[abstract moth]

Ogryns go down when their health goes to 0

[gusty bison]

This i agree

[gaunt hinge]

ever since heavy sword specials stopped zapping ragers theyve been dead to me

[gusty bison]

Shoot rager in head

[serene sage]

actually maulers you need body shot to 2 tap

nvm

[tardy plaza]

When a shooter shoots your shield they get taunted and switch to melee

Except gunners ofc

[thick rose]

zealot sucks

for puny heads

[serene sage]

ive seen at least 2 shield ogryns in Maelstrom whose gameplay consist of putting the shield down

[tardy plaza]

Ogryn is baby mode

[serene sage]

and that's it

[abstract moth]

Wdym? I think is pretty fun

[thick rose]

I dunno

[tardy plaza]

Out of all 4 classes it is criminally easy to be a monster

[thick rose]

I just dont get zealots

[serene sage]

dude was at like 50k damage when everyone else is floating at least 200k

it's wild

[thick rose]

if I wanna do dps and not die I vet, if I wanna dps and make the team sfae I ogryn

[abstract moth]

Is kinda sad tbh

[thick rose]

cant stand zealot for some reason

[tardy plaza]

Then he was just bad

[serene sage]

I know

[gusty bison]

Zealots are for when u just dont wanna die. Period.

[serene sage]

that's what im saying

[tardy plaza]

This was as shield ogryn

[gusty bison]

Their damage is solid but nothing special

Their ranged is ass

But their survivability is top tier

[abstract moth]

I think zealot is easier plus you ain't a giant target

[tardy plaza]

Negative

[gaunt hinge]

how did you all manage 0 enemies staggered

[crude ermine]

I play zel when I just want to blast through with me melee

Vet exists if I want to get the most out of my revolver

[tardy plaza]

I killed them

[thick rose]

I guess I vet so long I came to the conclusion that survivability means killing every special before it can dmg the team, or knocking shit over so tit cant hit the team on ogryn

[abstract moth]

I like it for big chainsword and flamer

[thick rose]

zealot seems inherently selfish

[tardy plaza]

Axe zealot is a murderous damage machine

And nothing supports the team more than just making sure the map has no enemies on it

[gusty bison]

Survivability in this case means eating the bullets on the way in so no bullets are going to ur allies

[serene sage]

survivability is the near ranged invulnerability you have and the staggering amount of stagger you can do

[crude ermine]

The axes are great on zel

But I prefer the sharpened swords over the lumberjack

[tardy plaza]

It doesn't matter on Ogryn, especially tank ogryn

You smack something with a heavy and get 70 toughness back

[gusty bison]

The way u play zealot is you create space and relieve pressure for ur team by taking all the aggro urself

[sharp ember]

zealot relic is great for bailing your team out

[tardy plaza]

With 200+ toughness you don't take bleedthrough damage to your health

[gusty bison]

Also its zealot. Bleedthrough doesnt matter

[abstract moth]

All classes can be, depends on how you play, for example I think relic zealot is a lot useful for the team

[tardy plaza]

You are functionally immortal if you stay in melee range of something at all times

[tardy plaza]

Until death has a cool down you know

[serene sage]

isn't it 90s?

[gusty bison]

That requires getting to 1 hp

[crude ermine]

120

[gusty bison]

Which in as of itself is an acconplishment if u arent disabled by a disabler

[crude ermine]

I think

It's either 90 or 120 hold on

[serene sage]

wait wasn't it 90 in patch 12?

idk

[tardy plaza]

I saw a level 2000 knife zealot with until death who was definitely the best player I've ever seen and he still managed to die

[crude ermine]

Yeah it's 120

[tardy plaza]

So maybe if you play zealot like a golden walking god yes

But I can just take 2000 damage in a match as an Ogryn without going down

[abstract moth]

Right tell em to the 4 bombers throwing greands at him with reapers and gunners gunning for him, while the zealot already zoomed and killed em in a more safe way

[gusty bison]

Ok a few things zealots hate.

Fire.
Disablers.
Wall of gunners and not a melee enemy in sight

Everything else they are dandy

[tardy plaza]

Tell that to my Lorenz Kickback

None of those specials mean anything to me

[midnight totem]

That's like, what everybody hates

[serene sage]

I love wall of gunners though

[gusty bison]

Kinda.

Vet doesnt mind the last one

[tardy plaza]

The only thing in that group you don't one-shot with a kickback is a reaper, but you still knock them over

[gusty bison]

Nor psykers

Zealot actually dislikes an open approach with no chaff to farm toughness off of on the way in

[serene sage]

hehe vet shotgun does more damage than ogryn shotgun

[tardy plaza]

For the record in that 1 million damage game as a tank ogryn with almost no damage talents, probably 700k of it is the kickback

[sharp ember]

double barrel shotgun when

[tardy plaza]

Then why can't vets outdamage me

[sharp ember]

kickback for tiny men

[gusty bison]

I mean.

Shooting chaff is the surefireway to get highest damage

[idle swallow]

Luv me rumbler luv pegging enemies in the face with a GL round that then explodes

[gusty bison]

KB just happens to shoot a lot of chaff

[abstract moth]

You're not going to survive if you have all that stuff alone, plus let alone you are going to get damage if none help you so put if you're already low health you go down zealots dont

[serene sage]

1. because kickback is busted. and it pads the stats by shooting chaffs
2. im referring to the fact that agri shotty can one shot reapers, so only in this specific scenario

[gaunt hinge]

poxwalker groaner farming

[gusty bison]

Raw damage numbers is meaningless cos well

[thick rose]

kickback into hordes is so funny, but also padding yo stats surely

[gusty bison]

Just shoot chaff

[thick rose]

when you shoot kickback into a horde, that giant blood explosion.. is that just the game generating it or did they give it a unique effect... anwyay its glorious

[tardy plaza]

Fair

Kickback also just CCs everything

I can knock over 5 crushers at once

[south garnet]

I still prefer the GG to kickback for doing actual work, despite my love of the kickback

[tardy plaza]

Yes you are

[south garnet]

I'm glad KB finally got buffed to the point of being an actual option

[tardy plaza]

It's honestly OP. It's more than just an option, it's the best

[sharp ember]

remember kickback slow reloads and virtually no range

[gaunt hinge]

get yourself the second scoreboard mod that adds the cool stuff

[tardy plaza]

No and no

[gaunt hinge]

so you can get an aesthetic scoreboard

[gusty bison]

I wonder how much stats u can pad with frag grenade spam

[gaunt hinge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/430308357979504642/1186910766041923724/image.png?ex=6594f7ca&is=658282ca&hm=e257508e8ab8d337b0ff242a812d44bcf67a0912e32729cb9769f47061025d05&

[south garnet]

I don't know if I'd call it the best but it's definitely the 'laziest' ogryn ranged, similar to plasma for vet - it's the "turn your brain off, win match" loadout pick

[abstract moth]

If you can't elaborate you just prove my point

[tardy plaza]

I play 10 ogryn matches a day the kickback does well at medium range

[thick rose]

kickback interupts at a long range, even if its dmg gets low... right?

[south garnet]

Every class has their lazy weapons

[tardy plaza]

I already did. You can kickback to kill all of that with no problem

[sharp ember]

stat padding schmat pladding, excess ammunition gets sent the enemy's way

[tardy plaza]

I can't elaborate further than that

[south garnet]

Actually, I'd call the rumbler even lazier only the rumbler sucks dick now unfortunately, so

[serene sage]

grenade spammer here
not that much, like, at all

[gusty bison]

Dayum

[thick rose]

stupid puny, doesn't know how far rock throws

[gusty bison]

I guess bayo remains the best stat padder?

[tardy plaza]

Sticky rumbler can be good

[serene sage]

strangely enough maybe the shotguns with enough ammo?
or just a good melee and you solo hordes

[abstract moth]

How if they already are shooting at you and have fire on ground, you gotta reload it

[serene sage]

okay what are each class most skill intensive weapons then?

[south garnet]

True, it has its niche, it's just not the defacto flex weapon anymore - kickback plus balance changes have definitely knocked it off its throne

[tardy plaza]

It doesn't take long to reload or get out of fire. You have 230 toughness and 400 health. Trust me, you have time

[gusty bison]

Like are we talking practical skill requirement to be effective, or maximum potential

[tardy plaza]

When I do my daily ogryn aurics I play it in a 1400x900 window and watch House on Prime

It is a baby easy class that requires no brainpower compared to zelly

[serene sage]

to be effective

[gusty bison]

On zealot probably the crucis thammer

[serene sage]

like comfortably clear Auric T5

[idle swallow]

Knife zealot is good for carpal tunnel enthusiasts

[tardy plaza]

Knives and revolvers for vets and zels I'd say

[gusty bison]

Mostly cos u need to learn not to murder urself

[serene sage]

I think vet shotties are quite skill intensive

[abstract moth]

Did you read how many I enlisted? You're going to take damage whatsoever if you're alone and if you're low on health you go down

[serene sage]

maybe the bolter

though im biased

[gusty bison]

Revolvers are braindead easy...

[gaunt hinge]

ogryn heavy 1 shield spam clears the game

[tardy plaza]

I've seen some bad aim

[gusty bison]

Its still one of the easiest weapons that needs aim

[serene sage]

revolver head hitbox wider than the body

[south garnet]

It's more like a pyramid in my head, with lazy weapons being at the top with the broadest application and ease of use, with each row of weapons and their respective marks below each cap serving more specialized niches - rather than it being a spectrum from "lazy" to "masterclass only"
This analogy sort of falls apart because it's not strictly a pyramid with a single cap, but it illustrates the way I see the use-case buckets

[serene sage]

probably one of the lower skill floor weapons (not neccessarily lowest though)

[gaunt hinge]

people be shooting groaners with the revolver and still manage to waste 2 bullets

[tardy plaza]

Ok yes, if I'm alone AND somehow at low health then yeah I MIGHT go down. In a very specific set of hostile circumstances I might fail

[gusty bison]

Ye for a "precision" weapon

Revolvers are baby mode

[tardy plaza]

It's pretty easy to just say 'OK BUT WHAT IF'

[gusty bison]

Even the iLas is harder

[tardy plaza]

But considering I'm a taunt shieldgryn, I'm not letting my teammates die in the first place

[gaunt hinge]

i got sick of the shout taunt

went back to charge

[gusty bison]

For psyker i wanna say old laspistol

[abstract moth]

That's what I'm saying you go down, zealots always have at the ready the retry card that's why is the safest class

[south garnet]

So for instance, helbores aren't necessarily "high skill only" weapons to get the most out of them (but it helps), however they do serve a much more niche/disciplined playstyle than for instance plasma in which you can sort of do whatever

[tardy plaza]

It's a 2 minute cooldown, it is not always at the ready

[serene sage]

i don't disagree but i have never appreciated a shield ogryn in a long time
i honestly don't need them

much prefer a smite psyker

[gusty bison]

More like 5 second cooldown

[south garnet]

Shield is the best ogryn melee but using it as an actual shield is a trap

[tardy plaza]

Ok you said the one fucking need you needed to say to win me over

[gusty bison]

Zealots can invalidate their cooldowns

[tardy plaza]

Because psyker is my favorite

[tardy plaza]

Not until death

[gusty bison]

Oh i was thinking of chastise

[gaunt hinge]

yeah i didnt think the cooldown reduction worked on that

[tardy plaza]

Until death cooldown isn't reduced by anything

[serene sage]

smite shield psykers are probably the most supportive class in the game

[gusty bison]

50% tou regen every 2s is a drug

[serene sage]

love them, even when they are bad they are good

[south garnet]

I'm not a huge fan of taunt tbh either as someone on the same team as one or playing as one

[gaunt hinge]

a bad ogryn can be so bad if youre using a gun that cant shoot through teammates

[tardy plaza]

I like playing taunt shieldgryn + kickback because I can keep my team alive no matter the situation

[south garnet]

That's fair, I'm a very aggressive ogryn player

Defense through violence

[tardy plaza]

The only thing I cant deal with fast is bosses

[abstract moth]

What I meant in a manner of speech, they don't have to be flawless and can always recover health or get in a safe position

[gusty bison]

Vet has a hilarious toughness ping pong build btw

[tardy plaza]

Oh no me too, shield heavy attacks are insane

[gusty bison]

Where u making ur team's toughness bounce between 0 and 100

[gaunt hinge]

yeah i usually need help when playing ogryn vs chaos spawn and beast of nurgle

plague ogryns are a fucking joke though

[tardy plaza]

Like yeah I'm just going to cleave through 20 poxwalkers and 5 ragers don't mind me

[south garnet]

I use bull rush as a horde management/culling tool to keep allies upright

[tardy plaza]

If you have the dodge timing on the grab figured out, CS are a joke too

[median belfry]

ogie shield with brutal momentum makes every swing hit as far as the eye can see

[tardy plaza]

And BoN is easy to kite around cus it's so slow

[south garnet]

Shield with bleed and brumo is just fucking disgusting

[serene sage]

people keep saying ogryns melee wave clear is good but my pugs experience disagrees

[abstract moth]

Ik I can't fathom why some people think they're boring to have in squad with

[thick rose]

once you work out how to spin during an attack, ogryn heavy is comfy as hell

so much coverage\

[tardy plaza]

I had a zealot do 80k damage in a whole auric damn once, you're gonna run into this plenty

[zealous wyvern]

melk has a surprisingly good bolter in store

not good enough to buy but so close

[serene sage]

show it?

[zealous wyvern]

is cavalcade meta?

[south garnet]

That was me, I was doing a scavenger hunt for plasteel

[serene sage]

no, honestly not very usable

[gusty bison]

Only if u hate ur team

[tardy plaza]

Because they don't like that psykers can outdamage and outkill them while CCing the entire map with two buttons

[gusty bison]

Dude

[zealous wyvern]

its a solid placeholder

[gusty bison]

Duuuuude

[serene sage]

pretty good tbh, get it

[gusty bison]

Buy

[zealous wyvern]

why buy?

[gusty bison]

Flakiac, surgical

[tardy plaza]

I stopped running smite psyker because I got bored of it, it's really low risk

[zealous wyvern]

level 3 perks, level 3 surgical, high recoil
i would say its solid but not enough to buy from melk

[tardy plaza]

Same with shout vet +plas/PS

[south garnet]

I have brittle and +power on stagger on my bolter

It's a relic from the old days but it works alright

[serene sage]

Bolter needs damage and reload, a little of stability
Collateral is useless if not detrimental, mobility is whatever
It has perfect perks and one BiS blessing

[gusty bison]

Swap brit for surg if u can

[south garnet]

I can't, brit is the locked one

[zealous wyvern]

yeah i did know about collateral from you

[south garnet]

[gusty bison]

Oof.

[serene sage]

well ive seen better bolter, but that one is really solid despite the appreance, but it's your melk bucks, so your call 😄

[gusty bison]

Surg is still better than Pinning

So swap that out

[versed merlin]

3 zealots in my pug auric

all 3 of them were running loner

[abstract moth]

I mean f them, I don't care about statistics in a co op games, they are so useful and I use the same bulid when I want a heavy team build combo plus the bubble is a lot useful in range and melee combat

[serene sage]

they can be alone, together

[versed merlin]

i just left

[thick rose]

by far the worst player I have encountered in auric was a zealot that sprinted ahead, aggroing static spawns while the rest of us were mired in heaping piles of shit

[tardy plaza]

@abstract moth honestly skill > class/build

[serene sage]

coward

[versed merlin]

i hate zealot speedrunners because they usually use stealth to leave all threat to the suckers that are behind

[serene sage]

I don't midn those games cause i get to pad stats and clutch

[tardy plaza]

You could have any class with a perfect build and they could still end up being useless because they're bad at playing

[thick rose]

its a mindset though innit

dont see no ogryn speedrunners, just good lads

[versed merlin]

well, im not that good to get through auric on my own, specially on vet

[tardy plaza]

Yeah I like knife/stealth builds but when they run ahead, aggro shit, then stealth and send it back to you then they're just cunts

[serene sage]

methink they do be rp-ing too hard and are just dum

[south garnet]

Around 3/4 times I see this what happens is they all sprint waaaaay ahead just to do it, trigger a horde and several patrols and around half the time a boss, two of them go down by the time I realize what's happening but I can't make it there to assist in time, I go down in 3 different mixed hordes plus a rager and crusher patrol because I didn't know what was dropping from which direction or how to position for it, then we all sit for the last two minutes of the five minute match watching a knife zealot eventually go down to a BoN

Speedrunning the fail screen

[versed merlin]

man playing zealot actually makes me go full monkey, as if im invincible

cant blame them really

you literally dont die, have tons of dmg and overall speed

[gaunt hinge]

at least when i monkey i look for loot

[quasi socket]

its stuff like this that makes me want to just make lfg groups for chill farming runs, but i hate social interaction so i dont

[south garnet]

I do get the mindset but you have to keep situational awareness, and a lot of people can't do that I guess

[serene sage]

you can probably find a no chatting farming grup

[versed merlin]

i honestly think zealots needs a nerf, not as complaining about the class, but more to prevent those type of playstyles

[serene sage]

it just takes effort socializing to... set up the group

you need to talk about not talking

[abstract moth]

Not in these type of games, if they have better gear and blessings you can have all the skill you want, they're still going to kill stuff faster than you

[serene bough]

idk if nerfing will prevent people from doing that

[south garnet]

I would refuse to talk to any of you anytime

[quasi socket]

can kill when they're downed/captured

[abstract moth]

Lul

[serene sage]

yeah it's a playstyle choice not a power choice

[serene bough]

even now i dont think its that good of a playstyle, the pay off for playing it well is not that great for the amount of risk you take

[versed merlin]

i dont see vets doing that

and it would be even worse

because of low profile

[tardy plaza]

Yesterday my new level 4 Ogryn did 60k more damage than all the level 20s-25s on malice

[serene bough]

vet stealth isnt really used for melee

[serene sage]

you clearly haven't played with Darcy

[serene bough]

moreso toughness reset and repositioning

[tardy plaza]

If you don't know what you're doing it doesn't matter what gear you have

[idle dirge]

I use it for melee lol

[gaunt hinge]

vet stealth revive stick

[versed merlin]

objectives bot

[thick rose]

I saw a crusher smash an alone stealth vet while they rezzed today

[serene bough]

im not saying you can't use it for melee, just that zealot has better melee buffs to complement that playstyle

[thick rose]

they said "wtf" in chat

😄

[versed merlin]

+speedrun

[gaunt hinge]

vet stealth and 4 frag grenades is like a makeshift ogryn bomb

[versed merlin]

+monkeymode enable

[abstract moth]

I'm talking about dam aurics, why you think high lvl people plays malice?

[serene bough]

fun fact, underhanding grenades does not break stealth

[serene sage]

I think if you are really far out from the team, the game start spawning mini waves of 2 dogs 1 trapper against you

[versed merlin]

if its not on cd, they'll just tap stealth

[abstract moth]

Why?

[gaunt hinge]

what

[south garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

[versed merlin]

lefit

legit

alright im salty

think id rather have a poxbuster shot in my face than playing with speedrunner zealots

[abstract moth]

I did not know that, thanks but tbh I rarely underhand grenades

[gaunt hinge]

[serene bough]

i only recently found out yesterday

[serene sage]

why not both, a loner zealot who comes back to only shoot busters in teammates' face

[versed merlin]

lmao

[abstract moth]

My bad sorry I tought you wrote vet stealth revive sucks

[serene bough]

vet revive perk + 3 revive speed curios

maximum baby sitting

[versed merlin]

then low profile straight after and let they die again

[south garnet]

oh thank god they're repositioning to behind the enemy line to backstab them! Wow, they're really going a long way back, I'm guessing they're gonna nade the horde and unload on 'em! boy they're really hoofin' it a ways away, I always thought the nuvolver was better close u-- oh they've gone around the corner and disappeared

[serene bough]

bonus points if you revive them in the middle of fire

[abstract moth]

I have a build with that

You know I'll try it

[serene bough]

i ran it for a little bit

its nice but i wish it applied to everything and not just revives

[abstract moth]

I just want medic class

[serene bough]

i.e. freeing tied up teammates

[versed merlin]

you know what, that would be cool

[serene sage]

oh like utility speed? faster obj interaction, faster net, faster revive

[serene bough]

yeah that stuff

[velvet bluff]

just got me hands on this vet curio

[south garnet]

It does feel like the game is missing a more pure support class, or at least role within a class

[gaunt hinge]

no ordos

[abstract moth]

Ikr

[south garnet]

Psyker is probably closest as far as CC, vet is closeish with all the buffs

[serene sage]

Extremely based

[south garnet]

Vet healing corruption is kind of a meme

zealot I mean

whatever

[velvet bluff]

brunt blessed me today

[midnight totem]

Tech adept class next

[serene bough]

i always want to include the vet corruption healing perk

[versed merlin]

at least is better than 5% dmg and 5% move speed

[serene bough]

but almost never want to give up a point for it

[south garnet]

I actually like 5% movement, but point taken

Auras are so shit lol

[velvet bluff]

who even thought those auras were a good idea

[south garnet]

Except the one obv

[velvet bluff]

who quality checked this

[abstract moth]

I want something that enhances teamwork and makes every player care for another more. But I suppose you'll always find knife zealots

[serene bough]

current problem with auras is nothing will ever beat survivalist

its just too useful compared to flat buffs

[idle dirge]

I think that’s more of a problem with survivalist than the other auras

[snow pendant]

is useful if u just need to drop the grenade on ur feet without it bouncing to somwhere else

[serene bough]

yeah survivalist is definitely too powerful

[versed merlin]

aight swap survivalist to 5% reload speed for everyone

now we have 3 good competitors at being useless

[snow pendant]

especially useful when u wanna stagger a group of rager pressing you

[gaunt hinge]

good job guys

[wooden lotus]

it feels like one of those must-pick talents that should probably just be baked into the class

[gaunt hinge]

it is baked in, just take it every time

[idle dirge]

Honestly, I’d enjoy an aura that gives suppression resist to you and nearby teammates. I know it’s kinda useless if you get suppression immunity but it’d help other classes for sure

[spice wadi]

there's a fair few things that feel like they are only talents because they wanted a free node to put in

[abstract moth]

Oh yeah definitely I know is useful just i haven't really gotten the auto brain mechanic to throw them like that yet

[gusty bison]

Other classes... dont care about suppression thou

[spice wadi]

suppression is either a thing of you care about it not at all or you are insanely malding about it

[idle dirge]

Also true lmao

[spice wadi]

no in between

[serene bough]

dont even think suppression is that useful on vet either

[tardy plaza]

I accept your challenge, I will run this club in auric maelstrom today

[gusty bison]

Zealot's ranged options either are ass or ignore suppression

Ogryn doesnt give 2 fuvks

And psyker...

Does psyker even get suppression on their staves?

[idle dirge]

They do, I think

[versed merlin]

columnus psyker

[velvet bluff]

incredably based

[versed merlin]

its actually pretty good

[idle dirge]

I was talking about suppression resist rather than doing more of it, anyways

[versed merlin]

from the teammates that i had in auric runs

[serene sage]

Fire team is good, not as good as Survivalist but it's good

[junior needle]

Gun psyker apparently outperforms vet damage wise

[gaunt hinge]

fire team ass

[serene sage]

If ammo isn't so fucked I would unironically take it

[versed merlin]

why?

if it doesnt change any breakpoints, what's the benefit of it?

[white minnow]

staffs don't have any suppression sway or anything

[median belfry]

not sure, I can't see past my flamer staff

[serene bough]

ive heard the same but havent actually seen a gunpsyker

[wooden lotus]

survivalist is one of the strongest talents in the game as things get harder because the increased sustain of ranged weapon usage feels fucking essential

[velvet bluff]

also question, are my plasma guns blessings any good

[abstract moth]

Lul I wasn't challenging is just a fact, that's why they implemented this grinding system in the first place

[south garnet]

It would be one thing if other auras stacked, but nah

[versed merlin]

if you're not looking to burn your ammo to deal dmg to bosses, swap shattering impact to blaze away

[serene sage]

It can for any weapons that need Long Shot to hit breakpoints, off top my head both the Bolter and Plasma need Long Shot for breakpoints (I think more than 10m out, too) so Fire Team will help.

but also both are ammo heavy so you want Survivalist

[wooden lotus]

it's alright, shattering impact isn't gonna do much because it already pierces through armor, you're gonna kill your targets in two or three shots at worst, and its going to be worse on bosses than Blaze Away

it's definitely not a bad one though

[serene sage]

which is why i said

Fire team is good, not as good as Survivalist but it's good

[velvet bluff]

alr thanks for the feedback

[versed merlin]

oh yeah, bolter would probably benefit from it. though i cover that with marksman focus

[wooden lotus]

it's for anything that needs ammo and you want to use it more than for brief periods

columnus mk v

[torn needle]

What's more important for ps6, cleave dam or cleave target?

[velvet bluff]

can always switch perks luckily

[idle dirge]

Cleave dam

[versed merlin]

you cant one shot gunners with that thing tho

[wooden lotus]

cleave damage, most people run brutal momentum on it

[torn needle]

[velvet bluff]

i have another with pinning fire

[serene sage]

do you have any with surgical?

[velvet bluff]

yes

[south garnet]

I have pinning fire and shattering on mine

[serene sage]

you should try a semi dmr bolter

don't have to go full dmr

[velvet bluff]

got one with surgical and gloryhunter, unmodified

357 rating

[serene sage]

surgical and pinning fire

pref surgical 4 as well

[idle dirge]

How exactly does field improv work? I’ve seen some say it has to be something deployed in your aura to work for teammates, some say you just have to be alive at all

[velvet bluff]

3, but i still want to get a flak damage bonus perk

[versed merlin]

here's mine

[junior needle]

Consider yourself very lucky, I've seen quite a few and most of them using recon lasguns

[versed merlin]

and i still wont one shot gunners if i dont hs crit

[wooden lotus]

from using it, its literally just having it and it applies to every deployable regardless of vet status

[idle dirge]

Nice.

[velvet bluff]

sometimes emps just blesses me with decent stuff

[serene sage]

my baby, it has Pinning Fire Surgical now though

here's another one I don't use

and this ig

[versed merlin]

do you also run deadshot as well?

[serene sage]

not really, you can though

[velvet bluff]

this should do well

[serene sage]

i think it's good, i just don't like low stamina

[serene sage]

pretty good a little low on damage but that's okay

[velvet bluff]

i miss the old veteran tree sometimes

like pre major rework tree

[serene sage]

I don't because I crutch VoC too much

[velvet bluff]

70% damage reduction during executioner's stance was so goated

[frank ether]

I'll play voc till it gets nerfed

[versed merlin]

wowowow

what?

[frank ether]

and then just main zealot afterwards

[abstract moth]

I had the no stop shooting las gun build now I don't know how to do it anymore:(

[versed merlin]

vet with damage reduction?

[velvet bluff]

yes

[versed merlin]

goddamn

[limber egret]

hey so this is my current Vraks 7

and its been a lot of fun

[velvet bluff]

then you get the perk that outlines all enemies, which also increases your uptime

[versed merlin]

i wish i played that

[limber egret]

tho is the stats on it good right?

[velvet bluff]

and you were basically immortal and could oneshot shooters wit ha 50% damage boltgun

[serene sage]

yeah good roll

[limber egret]

it really is a lot of fun tho

[serene sage]

perfect blessings too (once you can upgrade to deadly 4 which i assumeyou dont have rn)

[limber egret]

nice gun to use for fun really

[limber egret]

also yeah i dont have it

i tried getting it yesterday but i went through 9k plasteel tryhing too

[versed merlin]

vraks is fun

[serene sage]

eventually, not much difference between 90% and 100% anyway

[limber egret]

and then i just had to get a vraks 7 from melk that had DA 3

but really vraksis a lot of fumn

[versed merlin]

but until you get your aim at someone's head, the revolver psyker will already have blown it to pieces

[limber egret]

im glad i decided to try it out

[zealous wyvern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT2PlrJpP0I

blasting this in the background, while having this fullscreen on 2nd monitor while playing command veteran

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0MSpmwXBrg

is a vibe

i recommend

the edited version of the track cuts out the interruption of the beat and the video is the only extension i found that doesnt have the stupid milky way meme every 10 seconds

[tiny summit]

I like it when the bonk of the grenade kills the sniper

[snow pendant]

nice 1 tap but i have headhunter over surgical

[abstract moth]

@zealous wyvern you want to vibe? Put Miami of Jasper Bryne and you'll vibe alright

[south garnet]

I consider it a personal offense when a bomber actually hits me with one

[slate sleet]

the amount of effort you need to put in to make a marksman focus volley fire build work compared to the absolute 0 brain activity of inspire and stealth is insane

[south garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-confused-question-marks-gif-12181142

[abstract moth]

So how many times you can dodge before it gets useless 5?

[rapid coral]

now that flame does not break toughness anymore, are we running 3 times toughness/tougness/toughness regeneration/x?

and what is the best 3rd perk?

[fast scaffold]

Depends on the weapon you have equipped

[abstract moth]

Oh really? Okay thanks

[fast scaffold]

For example plasma has 2 good dodges in it, whereas most melee weapons have atleast 4

[abstract moth]

So typically 4 dodges? Ok got it

Oh yeah and my focus was really on the melee rather than ranged

[fast scaffold]

It varies from pattern to pattern for weapon families. Though all knives have more dodges baked in. There are mods that show you how many times you can dodge until you get the dodge fatigue.

[tiny summit]

Effort? I just play exe lasgun the same as always.

[abstract moth]

They should make that into the weapon details so at least you'd know it properly

[tiny summit]

I've been running 2 toughness, and 1 stamina.

[fast scaffold]

It might be, I just know it the way that I know it.

[torn needle]

What are the best perks for ps6?

[abstract moth]

My f I'm silly

[abstract moth]

Yeah there is, chainsword for example says max dodges 5.00 so I take it is max 5 dodges then is useless. Sorry for the dumb question

[rapid coral]

@tiny summit what you using for perks?

[slate sleet]

why on earth would you run toughness regen

might as well leave the slot blank

[tiny summit]

Nothing in particular. Some dmg mitigation, some toughness, mayber a toughness regen, maybe revive speed, dockets.

[tiny summit]

Isn't toughness regen only referring to the passive coherency regen?

I have it on mine because I didn't know any better and I just don't feel like spending plasteel on curios atm

[slate sleet]

on a class that has nearly 300 toughness prints it by killing specials and can instantly refill it on a 30 sec cd with two of the three keystones

[tiny summit]

ET and CK with Iron Will is just goated

[serene sage]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/CGiek4SR90

I am so glad Reddit isn't in charge of balance

let's make a zealot stun grenade but even more op, block ranged attacks, triple the reserve, infinite regen

[cloud leaf]

smokes are already secretly op

[tiny summit]

I would like more smokes tho

[slate sleet]

all it needs to do is give you old camo expert while standing in it, put out fire and not obstruct vision for friendlies

[tiny summit]

1st Carnival map with its first defense made me learn that smokes are good

[zealous wyvern]

thats a vibe as well. but not the vibe i want when slaughtering traitors in hectic warfare

[tiny summit]

Putting out fires would be cool

[zealous wyvern]

i do love this music though

[slate sleet]

how are smokes secretly op

enlighten me

[cloud leaf]

its a secret

[serene sage]

yeah I have never been in a situation where I tell myself

boi i sure wish i have a smoke grenade right now

[cloud leaf]

Knowledge is power Guard it Well

[serene sage]

yeah but do you know the secret though?

[cloud leaf]

thats also a secret

[abstract moth]

I think that a psychopath vibe of music while slaughtering things, I suppose dogmatic imperium soldiers are more of the sociopath vibe music

[serene sage]

truly best guardsman

i listen to League music while playing DT

[static lotus]

so i tried weapon master and its great especially in no ammo pick ups game — with power sword you can cut through maulers and crushers suprisigly easily, damage output is really impressive, turns veteran into zealot

[serene sage]

it's quite the vibe

[serene sage]

i think this is more a case for PS being OP af lol

[abstract moth]

If you're referring to the track I'm glad to hear it, I'd advice to check more of his tunes if you liked that one and the hotline Miami games, all their tracks are bangers tbh

[static lotus]

stack PS on top of melee bonuses you get with that tree -> rival zealot in melee damage.

still i am glad PS is back

[abstract moth]

Is league music meant to be league of legend music?

[static lotus]

missed sparkling magic blade

[abstract moth]

Because if so I've never listened to it

[ivory forum]

fact: putting caramelldansen on increases your chances of pulling off a clutch by 600%

[tiny summit]

Caramelldansen in another room mix

[abstract moth]

Is super charge good with power cycle 4 or should I go with BT or sunder?

[ornate ivy]

Don't you have to get a kill first with a gun to get the perks of weapons master?

[slate sleet]

probably means all the melee nodes

leading up to it

weap master is only good if you swap weapons constantly

so its never bad basically

[sharp ember]

not really, rends crushers which psword is already good at killing

[abstract moth]

Ok thanks

Nice just got bt 4

[muted knot]

Well you only really get attack speed so it's not really perfect for Powersword, it's just that PS is fucking stupid

[zealous wyvern]

i know a lot of the miami vibe tracks since i played payday 2 a lot and mained jacket for years

am a fan. sadly never liked the gameplay of hotline miami itself

[abstract moth]

Waaaahhh

[zealous wyvern]

2d games need to pass a high bar for my enjoyment

very high

[abstract moth]

To each their own I suppose

[serene sage]

Yeah

[abstract moth]

How slaughtering bad people in lots of gruesome and fun ways is not enjoyable enough? Plus you get to wear creepy animals masks and banger soundtrack

[serene sage]

Except the kpop ones which depends on people's taste (I don't hate), i really like the other stuff they have

Pentakill has several metal albums too

[ornate ivy]

When are they going to give vet a meltagun?

[serene sage]

Is melta like an armor piercing shotgun?

[chilly cobalt]

Fucks sake just entered chat and thought they added melta

Jokes on me, Fat shark game

[muted knot]

Well it's still a beam wepaon

But it's short range yes

[serene orbit]

do HAGs/IAGs/BAGs all have different blessing pools?

[abstract moth]

I mean in music I'm a bit of everything but tbh is the context that matters to me if there is and is not only instrumental, music I don't like I just don't hear it. But hate? I hate rap, trap that kinds thing. I won't deny is catchy some even have nice tunes but how can people enjoy hearing crap about bolstering, killing, drugs and all that is beyond me but then I guess to each their own I suppose

[muted knot]

What HAG ?

[serene orbit]

headhunter autogun

[true axle]

Brothers, what perks do you think are best on Plasma guns?

[muted knot]

Ah yes

[true axle]

And Blessings

[muted knot]

There's a few good ones the one I know is blaze away and the one that increases vrit with heat

Oh perks

[serene orbit]

I like Carapace/Maniac, and Gets Hot/Shattering Impact

Blaze Away is good as well, yeah

[true axle]

Kinda meant blessings…. But yea perks too cus i’m at an impasse

[serene orbit]

I'm not sure about the efficacy of shattering impact.. since things mostly die in one hit anyway

[true axle]

Ok, mine came with glory hunter and the Level4 one about partial overheat rate of fire, perks were trash though

Maulers are Maniacs right? But they only have carapace armor on their head?

I like Unyielding for boss damage but carapace and maniac sounds good

[midnight totem]

Maulers are elites

[trim hemlock]

Maulers are Carapace head and Flak everything else

[true axle]

So they’re not maniacs? I can’t keep track of this shit

[trim hemlock]

No, they are not Maniac health type by any means

[serene orbit]

Best way to learn is to hop into the psykanium, it tells you all of the labels

[supple surge]

Or check a website that already has all that info...

[true axle]

Ok cool

Favorite consensus for plasma gun though?

[obsidian umbra]

Looking at infantry auto gun builds, why is BiS perks dumdum and fire frenzy and not deathspitter? Isnt power > damage ? Or am i getting that wrong?

[supple surge]

I run blaze away and gets hot and it slaps, but it certainly depends on your playstyle. Glory hunter is good for more survivability.

[midnight totem]

Dred ragers and some specialists are maniac armor types

Scab rager are flak armor type

[serene orbit]

Any ideas on what I should do with this? I know brutal momentum is ideal but it's hard to give up slaughterer 4

[urban fox]

What does a man like me gotta do to get a Agripinaa Mk VII Combat Shotgun with full bore no respite and carapace enemy and flak armor perk

I wasted 10k plasteel already am at my limit

[static lotus]

yes with a gun then swap to sword and utilize attack speed and damage

[true axle]

Maybe just change perks?

[ornate ivy]

Or just rock what you got because while the perks might give you marginal benefits, you could be playing better to make up the difference

Idk, when you can bolt down a rager 2 shots, the shotgun feels like it's doing less than other options. But that's just me

Also, if you have to min max a shotgun to make it feel as rewarding to use as anything else that isn't kinda feelsbadman

[urban fox]

But it does 3k crit dmg

[ornate ivy]

I'm going to make you drop your grimjim/scriptures

[urban fox]

It can one shot mauler

Am trying to run support ere good sir

I cant have the boltgun an its wack ammo capacity

[ornate ivy]

They gotta add the ability to full load slugs one after the other

[urban fox]

Yes

Nah fr tho am trying to get hardcore mode done

And boltgun and plasma eat too much

[torn root]

the damage is crazy XD

[urban fox]

Mg1 is suprisingly good against that female jojo character

And has 700 rounds

[slender turtle]

Why does the bayonet on the helbore do so much

[urban fox]

Because afix bayonet is based

[ornate ivy]

Pointy gun stick > chainsaw sword

[urban fox]

Yes

[slender turtle]

Try dumdum on it

[urban fox]

Ngl the bayonet is so good

2 tabs most enemys and is fast af

[ornate ivy]

Its basically a combat axe that can't block

[urban fox]

Yes

And much faster charge up

123 stab 123 stab

[torn root]

my goal is dumdum with sustained fire, just need more plasteel and luck

[urban fox]

When hellgun?

[slender turtle]

Punishing Salvo is actually the go-to. If you are landing headshots and weak spot hits

[ornate ivy]

Can't wait to get home and show everyone my setup 🙂

[urban fox]

I want to be a scav gunner

[ornate ivy]

Also merik sometimes provides the gas.

[torn root]

punishing salvo does the same as sustained fire, except it only works on a specific hitzone

[urban fox]

Smoking munitorum mids

[torn root]

sustained is in this case "Strictly better"

[slender turtle]

Makes that weak spot damage better though

[ornate ivy]

Take it back

[torn root]

they both increase damage by 20% and i tested it it doesnt change the damage I would do on weakspots if i have sustained fire

just means i dont get the damage when im not hitting weakspots with punishing salvo

[urban fox]

Does anyone have a bolbgun that always one taps gunners

[ornate ivy]

Also isn't sustained salvo kinda hard to use?

[slender turtle]

Not when you have 900 rpms

[torn root]

hold shoot for 1 second, stop and do it again

[urban fox]

Cause i swear too often they are runnin with 1hp even tho mine has 543 dmg

[junior needle]

Weakspot damage is always considerably inferior to straight damage in this game due to how it's calculated

Same with crit damage

[ornate ivy]

Why is it so much higher dmg number than compared to straight dmg?

[frank ether]

they could combine crit dmg and weakspot dmg under one perk and double the number and it would still suck

[urban fox]

Amen

[torn root]

this

[ornate ivy]

What's the point in even aiming for heads 🤔

[urban fox]

Mg1

[ornate ivy]

Skill issue

[urban fox]

[junior needle]

There's the base multiplier, and then there's "Weakspot increases" which only apply to the increased damage from headshotting and not the whole damage of the headshot

It's still worth it to aim for the head, but because of how it works mechanically, weakspot damage is way less valuable

[frank ether]

base damage also applies to weakspot

[junior needle]

Yes

[ornate ivy]

Wouldn't the calculation be base x armor type x weak multi x crit multi?

[junior needle]

And better for the same amount

[urban fox]

Can i just have the monian sniper rifle

[serene orbit]

yeah I think I'm just gonna settle on that

[junior needle]

No, weakspot and crit damage only apply to the "bonus" damage of the crit/weakspot hit. So if you hit for 100, and crit for 110, any increases to crit damage (or weakspot damage) will only apply to 10 damage.

It works in a very stupid way.

[ornate ivy]

Ah. Thanks... I need to reevaluate my builds 🙃

[junior needle]

This is why even with 100% headshot uptime, flat damage is always superior in equal amounts

So you need both a ridiculous amount of weakspot/crit damage AND a huge base finesse damage to get adequate results.

[ornate ivy]

I feel like they have math pinned somewhere

[torn root]

also flat damage still benefits for error in aim so there's that

[junior needle]

Yes, regular damage also applies to bodyshots, so it's better for general use AND for weakspots

Which is silly

[torn root]

^

[zealous wyvern]

violence

[junior needle]

They should redo how its calculated entirely and adjust the blessings/talents.

[torn root]

I'll keep the gun but dang it i wish i just had the dumdum roll

[zealous wyvern]

i have now purchased every single veteran piece from the commissary store

[junior needle]

Honestly, you don't even need a second blessing on IAG's

[zealous wyvern]

my mind can focus dockets on gearing up now

[junior needle]

Dumdum and perks are your most important factors

[zealous wyvern]

thank the throne

[junior needle]

The second blessing is superfluous

Change carapace to maniacs and that salvo to dumdum and you're set

[torn root]

after the bolter i made today if there is a possibility to get the 4 slots i want

I gotta take it

[zealous wyvern]

you will receive it

eventually

[gusty grail]

Big braced auto better than Columbus IA change my mind

[torn root]

like when im 50

[zealous wyvern]

level 50 maybe

[ornate ivy]

When you get perfect rolls but the weapon rating is 330 💀

[junior needle]

As long as the stat distribution is good then the rating doesn't matter

[zealous wyvern]

does stripped down work well with recon lasguns?

[ornate ivy]

You get better stats the higher wep rating. And i think the 4 different layers of rolls on top of rolls is a bit gambly

[zealous wyvern]

the duckndive combination should be useful for deadshot usage

which i think is mandatory for recon lasguns?

oh no it was headhunter+dumdum, wasnt it?

new topic: oh dear

if only this was on a lasgun character and not my heavy gunner

[ornate ivy]

Haven't really got a chance to use the strip down ghost on a las. But it seems fun

[zealous wyvern]

ghost stripdown seems useless

redundant i mean

dont get hit + dont get hit

[ornate ivy]

Dont get hit while moving vs don't get hit while killing

[torn needle]

What should I swap stam to? Maniac?

[torn root]

eeeeh the stats are what affect the weapon rating

[zealous wyvern]

but you should always be killing!

[torn root]

the base grey weapon will have a better rating depending on how the game rolls your gear in all 5 categories

80% being the most in any of the 5 and 380 being to maximum gear rating

dont think anyone has gotten 5 80s yet tho

[ornate ivy]

4 maniac scabs are chasing you and there's a reaper and gunner squad down your exit. Time and place for everything i feel like.

[junior needle]

You get more points, but more points doesn't matter ultimately if the distribution blows. It's not like you choose the rating when you get weapons either. If it's low rating and also blows then there's no reason to buy it, but occasionally you'll see a very well distributed low rating weapon.

Sometimes it's even beneficial, like recon lasguns with low collateral stats. This actually helps you because the gun doesn't stagger for shit anyway, but lower collateral reduces enemy wobbling and helps you land more headshots.

[torn root]

either way most weapons have like 1-2 dump stats

probably dont need to care too much about 1 or 2 maybe even 3 stats depending on what you are looking for

[junior needle]

Of course recons are big shit atm so you don't want to use one anyway but

[ornate ivy]

Just too much gambling imo

[junior needle]

Welcome to gacha tide

[terse idol]

Well like 1 dump stat, if you're not too picky you need 4 out of 5 at a 70

[torn root]

its less of a gamble when you figure out the perferred stats for a weapon

[terse idol]

I mean to be faiiir

Most weapons, melee weapons, want all damage and side stats as high as possible

[torn root]

like the mk6 shotty only cares about damage ammo and stopping power, the stability and mobility are next to useless on it

[terse idol]

Yeah for ranged weapons you got a little leeway

[south garnet]

because that would make the max base 400

[crude fiber]

Mobility usually doesn't need to be higher then 52 I think it was? Since that gets you the max dodges

[torn root]

no

[terse idol]

After playing my dagger for a while

It increases dodge distance

So on a dagger, I mean its not

[terse idol]

Well the max you can get is 380

Its not possible to get a 400, on a grey

[south garnet]

It's not possible to roll an 80% in everything, it just isn't

[terse idol]

The best weapon will have 80 in all stats 60 in 1

[torn root]

the max is literally 380 at all 80s

[terse idol]

No it isn't

[south garnet]

no?

[grizzled pebble]

@wanton dawn are you here me fren?

[torn root]

the rating does NOT add up all the total percentages

look at the gun i posted

[terse idol]

I don't look at max rating

[torn root]

if you added up the 5 stats it would be 331 not 373

[terse idol]

You can only get a 380 in the modifiers

[junior needle]

80 x 5 = 400

highest is 380

So something is getting a 60

quick maffs

[south garnet]

excuse me?

[torn root]

oh wait i lookled at the wrong frigin gun

lmao

[south garnet]

Anyway, the max rating can technically appear off, but it's a visual bug

[torn root]

yeah nah ill take that L

[south garnet]

Fair, happens to the best of us

[torn needle]

It'll do

[south garnet]

A knife zealot with the Momentum keystone is very funny because of the unwritten dodge distance benefit it gives

if only it weren't a meme build it might be sort of interesting to use

[serene sage]

nah didn't happen to me

speak for yourself

[torn root]

some people are just built different

[torn needle]

% elite perk on that ps6 is like 20 damage away from 2 shot hs lights on maniac ragers

Big sad

[terse idol]

Aww it's pretty fun, or well I use the new dagger

Which...

I gotta work a little hard to get the right combo for the situation

But its fun

[rotund wind]

1 shotting crushers is fun

[torn needle]

Mobility roll

[rotund wind]

who needs powerswords

[terse idol]

Didn't realise how fun dodge distance was until I could actually dodge crushers and maulers so easily

[torn root]

oh thats disgusting lmao

in more ways than 1

[rotund wind]

who needs dodge when things get 1 tapped

[pastel geode]

1 shotting crushers with a og shovel is possible?

[torn root]

i have never seen a stat sube 40 before today

lmao

[rotund wind]

yea me either lol

i spent like 200k rolling shovels this morning

best one i got

[torn root]

just swap to gun for dodges XD

[shut vector]

I do not believe the basic shovel is even capable of killing a crusher in a reasonable timespan nevermind one shotting

At least it isn't as absurdly shit as release but old shovel feels so bad compared to new ones

[ivory forum]

who needs crits anyway right?

[torn root]

oh nah!

[pastel geode]

Oh god

[serene bough]

you'll need to hit him on the head multiple times with uncanny strikes to do anything

its not ideal in the slightest but you can chip away at them at least

[serene orbit]

premia indeed

[south garnet]

Yea it's a little weird trying to guess whether you're going to get a cross swing or not, ha

I still probably wouldn't use the momentum keystone with knife, but I guess it could be cool

Crits all the way baybeeeee

[terse idol]

its sooo fun easy way to fish backstabs

[vocal cloud]

Whew! Just got Make Every Shot Count... feels good 🙂

[south garnet]

Hm, maybe I'll give it a shot then, you're selling me on it

Like a real shot

[eternal sable]

https://tenor.com/view/kneading-cat-post-meme-fast-gif-26392346

[viscid marlin]

why are all of these bursters not making any sound, dangit director

[graceful glen]

have you tried listening more gooder?

[viscid marlin]

I would, if i wasn't listening to silence

in my matches they just literally make no sound now

not on the travel, not on the explosion, nothing. just complete silence from them.

kind of annoying actually

[midnight totem]

me trying to do Veteran's use up all ammo with 90 percent accuracy penance

other veterans with ammo aura:

https://tenor.com/view/shannon-sharpe-undisputed-nope-funny-face-gif-536487951695337499

[viscid marlin]

yeah you dont want to be on public with that lol

trying to do that in public is just going to be a bad time for everyone

oh its only 90% accuracy now?

i guess they changed it

[wooden lotus]

low intensity heresy with melee vet was fine

[swift ingot]

New update to the extended extended weapon customization mod lets me put functioning irons on my Laspistol

[ivory totem]

I got it in a public game. Even with gaining 1 ammo right as I stood in the elevator. It is possible.

[swift ingot]

This is the best day of my life

[slender crown]

is there such thing as a recon las enjoyer

[ivory totem]

I mean its a very enjoyable spray and pray weapon.

[viscid marlin]

i doubt it, most of them either left the game or moved to something that still kills things

or rather, doesn't empty all their ammo on the second room, and still kills things.

[ivory totem]

Put the Plasma just does more and hord clearing can be done with a Chainsword

[terse idol]

[swift ingot]

Love me chainsword

Power Sword is for nerds

[viscid marlin]

i like the old chainsword

not sure about the new one, it feels weird

[swift ingot]

Yeah

Same

[viscid marlin]

i still use my powersword more though

but they are both good

[swift ingot]

I hate on power sword for no real reason

Other than I like to hate on it

[viscid marlin]

its been nerfed and buffed so many times i understand

[swift ingot]

Oh I don’t care about that, I just don’t like it because of how many folks suck it off

[viscid marlin]

i use an autogun most of the time so i need a melee that can kill crushers asap

if more melee's had better pennetration i would probably be able to branch out more but..

it is what it is

[swift ingot]

I use chainsword and Laspistol, so kraks are my only lifeline against crushers

[viscid marlin]

i mean i can parry a crusher to death with my devil claw but.. it just takes a while

new las pistol can kill crushers pretty quick

[swift ingot]

Oh tbh the real reason I hate the power sword is because the game won’t give me PC 4

[viscid marlin]

yeah honestly that shouldnt even be a blessing all powerswords should just.. have that. cause it feels so bad without it

[crude fiber]

It USED to have 3 hits base

Way back when

[viscid marlin]

yeha back in the olden olden days

[swift ingot]

This has been me since part 2 dropped

[viscid marlin]

before vet got like 20 nerfs lol

i love that las pistol

[swift ingot]

Same

[viscid marlin]

its exactly what i wanted

well.. i wanted a bolt pistol more, but out of a las thats great

[swift ingot]

But I haven’t been able to kill crushers very effectively with it, is there something I’m missing?

[crude fiber]

Tbh vet pre tree rework was kinda nutty

[viscid marlin]

do you have onslaught on?

cause you need that

to really do much to them with range

[swift ingot]

Post your talent setup so I can save it to a different loadout

Please

[viscid marlin]

alright give me a sec ill throw it on

[crude fiber]

Old las pistol is probably better against crushers with its higher crit chance

[viscid marlin]

now that's usually how i run it, you can either put the last point into the middle bottom tree rending, or top left perk longshot and they both work fine

[swift ingot]

This is the setup I’ve been running and I really like what I got here

[viscid marlin]

finesse modifier on new one is better, mine usually kills faster then my old one now

especially if you crit

[viscid marlin]

that works for most things but it wont deal with armor all that well

but it should still be fine

i just prioritize being well rounded so i went for onslaught

[swift ingot]

It deals with everything but crushers outside of kraks

[viscid marlin]

you probably want to put on bring it down over competitive urge though

even if you dont change anything else

20% more damage to bosses and ogryns is kinda huge

and monsters

especially on las pistol because if you have infernus it will get buffed by that too and your fire will really burn them hard

[swift ingot]

This is my precious

Literally the first mk10 I rolled when part 2 dropped

[viscid marlin]

thats a good roll

i have infernus and ghost T4 on mine

[swift ingot]

I’m not a big fan of ghost

I can’t hit heads consistently to save my life

[viscid marlin]

i wasnt until the carnival map came out and the director went on crack for 2 weeks straight spawning 30+ gunners in my face all the damn time

then i slapped on ghost and just ignored ranged enemies ever since

pro tip

if you want heads

the hipfire autotargets heads of they are close enough to the crosshair

it will aim just a tiny bit into them

so you can spam hip shots if you need to proc ghost

otherwise i will aim for deadshot

[swift ingot]

I’m probably going to take out the toughness node on the right and put it into the first node of focus target before I adore that keystone

Or maybe put it into superiority complex?

[viscid marlin]

you can do that, i just like having some toughness now that fire doesnt just one shot you

with the las pistol if you are going to use a filler point

i would put it into longshot

it really helps even out the damage at range

las pistol even the new one has a good amount of falloff pretty early

so longshot really helps keep the damage up as the falloff begins to take effect

[swift ingot]

Hmm, you might be right

[viscid marlin]

its really helped me a lot during some matches where i have to shoot some things farther away, it may only seem like 20% damage but it helps a ton

[swift ingot]

I’ll try all 3 options and see which I like best

[viscid marlin]

yeah best to just find what you like

[swift ingot]

It’s probably a toss up between focus target and longshot

[viscid marlin]

they are both good for different things

if you get a boss or monster focus target is great, but just aiming and firing and not having to tag every elite i shoot at i like long shot

just depends really

im not sure what i think about the two chain axes

neither of them seem to be able to roll into a cleave perk

[swift ingot]

I personally don’t mind tagging elites, plus the gold outline helps with target priority

[torn gorge]

power perks are strong enough

you do not really need a cleave perk on a chain axe

[tall torrent]

Does laspistol need 30% weakpoint for breakpoints

[viscid marlin]

im not sure breakpoints matter too much on it, it shoots fast enough. you really just want the extra damage in general i think.

[tall torrent]

Mk2 or mk10

[viscid marlin]

10

i prefer 10

[tall torrent]

Mk10 needs breakpoints imo

[torn gorge]

10 really does not shoot fast

[tall torrent]

Just because it’s slower firing

[viscid marlin]

not super fast, but it's fine enough

[tall torrent]

It’s like the same firerate as MG12

[torn gorge]

its like a 2.something rounds per second

2.4

[tall torrent]

2.64r/s

Roughly 158rpm

Very very slow

[viscid marlin]

i would consider that normal next to the slow crap ive been using prior

but i guess that makes sense

it does fine for me though

i dont see a world in which i don't take the free 30% damage on most guns though

or even melee's, cause that counts for melee too

[tall torrent]

It’s not 30% dmg though

Weakpoint calculation is messed up in this game

[viscid marlin]

that wouldn't surprise me

but its still damage

[umbral scaffold]

best laspistol blessings

?

[swift ingot]

Tbh, I take the 30% weakspot damage because it helps me in melee

[torn gorge]

rn id say any combination of dumdum/infernus/ghost

for your laspistol

[viscid marlin]

its just more damage, no real reason not to take it

[torn gorge]

pick whichever you prefer

[swift ingot]

Dum Dum, infernus/ghost

[viscid marlin]

i like infernus ghost but dumdum is good too yeah

[swift ingot]

I love Dum Dum and infernus

[tall torrent]

If base dmg is 50, weakpoint dmg is 100, then +30% weakpoint is 100+(100-50)x0.3 = 115 dmg
So you get about 15% dmg increase if the weakpoint multiplier is as high as 2x (usually not)

[viscid marlin]

i end up shooting things that are often outside of the range dumdum will buff me for

[tall torrent]

What melee are u using

[viscid marlin]

Yeah but dont crits multiply the weakpoints?

[tall torrent]

Crit dmg follows the same calculation

[viscid marlin]

and about half of your shots should be crits if you are using a las pistol

little less maybe

[tall torrent]

And the build also depends on what melee ur running

[viscid marlin]

i just assumed most melee's try to go for headshots