veteran-class

[brisk sapphire]

Uncanny

[crimson crown]

derp

[analog blaze]

Just the typical Mercy Killer/Uncanny Strikes is good. Take the bleed talent and go to town. The OG knife clears hordes pretty well like this and does good work on elites. Anti armor is just stab and dodge out of the way. The timing takes work, but it's workable. It's not going to clear out 10 maulers with ease, but you can hold your own

[cerulean ridge]

this.. seems good? 👀

[grave wadi]

yeah pretty good

[midnight totem]

what power sword model do you guys favor?

[midnight mortar]

Mk6.

[midnight totem]

ty kindly

[hearty kernel]

autopistol

[scarlet vessel]

good stat perk blessing graia iag feels so good, wonder how agrinipah and columbus feels in comparison

[brisk sapphire]

been hearing lotta hype bout thunderous + bloodletter

I'm still running power blessings on my chaxe

[sharp ember]

word on the street about it is that one rev heavy bleeds out a crusher which is pretty nifty

because the bleed ticks build brittleness

[empty heron]

Is the chainaxe(s) good now? Can they hold their own against a horde?

[brisk sapphire]

Time to start rollin for it I guess

[sharp ember]

yeah they’re extremely solid now, very versatile

[empty heron]

Nice

[sharp ember]

i’ve basically been hopping between chainaxes and new shovels

[empty heron]

Interesting. I've got to try those as well.

[pale sand]

They're all pretty much the same just pick which one you like the recoil pattern of the most.

Colomnus V is top dog rn I think.

[frank ether]

yee

[pale sand]

Chaxes are great rn

Ye

[midnight totem]

this veteran penance is incredibly annoying to do

[flint garden]

surely the god emperor will eventually bless me with pc4

[frank ether]

put slaughterer+bm and swing it like its a regular longsword

[tall torrent]

They’re good now, not the best against hordes but very good in anti-armor

The damage difference between chainsword and chainaxe is just staggering

[tall torrent]

Chainaxe doesn’t have BM unfortunately

[sharp ember]

scions…

[frank ether]

I was thinking of powersword there

chaxe doesnt need bm anyhow

[empty heron]

Does it behave like a combat axe or a chainsword? (Does it stop when hitting a target or continue to cleave through?)

[tall torrent]

It behaves like “what if combat axe had worse horde clear and dodge distance but could 1 shot enemies”

The mk12 chainaxe works like that anyway

I greatly prefer mk12 over mk4

[thick rose]

which is the old one again?

[tall torrent]

Mk4
Light - sawing
Heavy - diagonal sweep
Push atk - diagonal sweep
Rev heavy - diagonal sawing

Mk12
Light - diagonal sweep
Heavy - overhead sawing
Push atk - stab (high dmg)
Rev heavy - overhead sawing

Mk4 is the old one

[fleet garden]

chainaxe needs power cycler

[vernal harbor]

ill never understand grabbing grimoires

like the bonus isnt that great

and the group is already near dead and cant blink or we all go under

"gotta get me grimmy"

emperor be merciful but may they be boiled this i pray

i like a challenge too but all im saying is its always the zealots with maxed out hp and 20 wounds like "what? no grim?"

NO I GOT 2 WOUNDS MAN

https://tenor.com/view/tibu-crying-good-music-sad-gif-16139511

[flint garden]

why tf he running towards the fallen poxburster

[vernal harbor]

tbf that zealot clutched it

[vernal harbor]

he was gonna do something to it but idk if it would be damaging

🤝 vets who tag whatever their shooting at no matter what

[flint garden]

also this zealot ran off and got himself netted twice in the span of a minute before this section

[slim shard]

I usually run Graia 'fuck this entire room' build so I end up tagging everything that looks at me funny

[abstract moth]

Guys what blessings should I use on las guns? Las pistols included, infernus?

[thick rose]

old one

[idle carbon]

@abstract moth look at pins

[abstract moth]

Oh I nailed one

Appreciated

[nimble sentinel]

I grab them to delete them before the zealot can hoard heresy

[abstract moth]

A guy told me you get better weapons if you take grimoires is this true?

[midnight mortar]

It has no effect.

[abstract moth]

For real?

[midnight mortar]

The only thing that affects the range of the weapons you can acquire as a reward is your character's level.

[abstract moth]

He told me you get better guns and xp

[midnight mortar]

You do get more exp.

[jaunty herald]

this ain't vermintide

[midnight mortar]

But it does not affect the weapon drop.

It's not the same system as VT.

[abstract moth]

That what I thought, I've never take grimoires anyways

[inner drift]

(AKA why grims are just not worth it in this game)

beacon of purity zealot is the only build I'll make an occasional exception for tho

because the corruption hit isn't that bad with it

[abstract moth]

I friggin had to memorize every grim on vermintide on every map, sure as hell don't remember it now

[serene bough]

now thats a throweback

[frank ether]

that would be a nerf

[thick rose]

the only way scrips/grims would be cool is if they added a solo survival kinda RPG mode, where you could root around the maps on your own

[fleet garden]

power chainaxe

[thick rose]

encouraging bad players to fuck around with them, would be like making aurics give better rewards so you would see people coming in to get carried

[umbral scaffold]

who dont want more money

[serene bough]

i want grims in auric maelstrom

maximum suffering

[abstract moth]

Waht

Shouldn't you be mister hugs? Cuddly and all that not a masochist

[serene bough]

i do like hugs, but i also like excruciatingly punishing difficulties

(not that darktide is excruciatingly difficult, just hyperbole)

[abstract moth]

I like hugs too

https://tenor.com/view/dog-hug-doghug-hugging-gif-19778408

[vernal harbor]

you’re CRAZY if you’re doing auric runs needing that extra bit of cash just to risk the entire mission

[brave musk]

I rarely see grims getting picked up in damnation, who would want to actually pick it up in auric??

[serene bough]

yes

its what the god emperor would want

[umbral scaffold]

i mean for auric no

but for normal ones i do grims if i get it on a random quickplay

but it again depends if my team is doing super well

if they are dying mroe often or down more often than not then yah ill avoid it

[frank ether]

haha yes playing dodge bonanza at 70HP because empruhlubber420 wanted his 10k extra ordos

[vernal harbor]

for normals its whatever im talking about everyone has been revived 5 times at least, no ammo, last medicae was like 10 minutes ago and just like "grim :)" and picking it up

[umbral scaffold]

Grimoires and scrips only matter if you have teammates under level 30

[vernal harbor]

honestly even on auric if its just a really solid run idc if you grab it

[umbral scaffold]

exactly my point

depends on your team comp and how your team is doing

if your team is doing pretty shite currently then dont pick up

but if youre doing ok and fine ftm then yeah take it extra extra is alwasy good

[frank ether]

grim is throwing move

if you decide to take that on your own without asking anyone

you're an asshat

[tender lynx]

take zealot with you

preferably matyrdom build

[wet anvil]

Alright veterans a question: what is the strongest melee I can grab ignoring the extra stats or abilities if I felt like it I could smack something with it and it will die faster than if I used other melee

[frank ether]

communications is a difficult concept for tide gamers the entire grim drama would be avoided if ppl could just ask

its always someone going neuron activation and instagrabbing it without thinking about it

[fleet garden]

just grab that shit anyway

[tender lynx]

power sword for versatile folding shovel for specific target

ig

[fleet garden]

after doing twins hm pre nerf aurics are easy

[wet anvil]

Ah I see…..I’ll just keep using it then

[tender lynx]

folding shovel kinda did special move faster

[frank ether]

twins took me under 5 minutes

[fleet garden]

hardmode pre nerf?

[frank ether]

I'm not gonna play dodge bonanza for half an hour because your ass wanted ordos

[frank ether]

I did it on like day 3

[tender lynx]

the twin just get 4 vet with voice of command

[frank ether]

did they nerf it?

[fleet garden]

yes

[frank ether]

huh, thats fucking sad

[fleet garden]

small nerf/fix but a nerf nonetheless

[frank ether]

first the pearl clutcher set being claimable for xbox gamers

now this

[flint garden]

are they gunna nerf power sword its so dumb how quickly it kills absolutely everything

[frank ether]

fatshark does not understand exclusivity

[tender lynx]

hope they won't nerf the damn voice of command stack

[wet anvil]

Man the twins are fun (unless you get on malice difficulty with a level 12, 13, 16 while your using an infiltration build meant for killing elites and specialists and the others don’t have proper builds yet cause their too low level)

[frank ether]

if you're gonna make everyone win then winning is meaningless

[fleet garden]

its easy with a premade

with pugs I got down to liek 25% couple times

premade on the second try

[wet anvil]

Unfortunately that requires friends

[fleet garden]

just go into the lfg in discord

[frank ether]

I had better luck with quickplay

[wet anvil]

Asking for help is scary

[frank ether]

I just got lucky

found some decent peeps

they said lets try some more

few runs later we got it

I think it was our... 5th attempt?

[tender lynx]

if everyone know their job

[fleet garden]

I only play vet

FOR CADIA

[tender lynx]

no need plan

[frank ether]

people usually struggle more with the horde than the twins

a lot of groups I've tried it with

I noticed that they dont even dps the twins

cause they are DROWNING with the small horde

[fleet garden]

ye but malice doesnt have hardmode

[tawny kraken]

I've had people die to just the walking vegetables

[fleet garden]

so its way different

[tender lynx]

horde during gas sequence

[frank ether]

its not a big horde

but they get buffed by gas

[tender lynx]

the gas buff them???

the zaza

[frank ether]

I think it does. stuff felt tankier than regular damnation

[fleet garden]

gas buffs them and hm is harder overall but its not impossible with decent people

[frank ether]

the elites that spawn are also tankierr

just everything is tankier

its like damnation+

[tender lynx]

mauler backshot

[frank ether]

but also not really

[tender lynx]

then rager after twin spawn

[frank ether]

I've had a few runs ended by stealth mauler downing someone which leads to chain reaction of people making mistakes

[wanton dawn]

I would not know i use sunder

[wet moon]

not sure how to feel abt this one

[tender lynx]

I'll just use plasma gun with voice of command

[frank ether]

that looks fine

I dont see the issue

[sharp ember]

dunno if elite is gonna shave off any hits to kill on anything less than a mauler, but overall real nice

[pastel geode]

I’d run it

[sharp ember]

i’d cook with that gun

[frank ether]

do ppl get downed that often in malice version of it

lmao

no wonder they nerfed it

I wonder what the winrate looks like

someone earlier said the fight was nerfed

[tender lynx]

better than gtfo for sure

gtfo win rate is down right traumatic

[sharp ember]

i havent heard of the fight getting nerfed but i know their fart gas when they flee after harassing you did

[pastel geode]

I’ve been wanting to do hard mode twins but I haven’t had an opportunity to join a squad

[frank ether]

I think that is probably the developer intention

[pastel geode]

I swear some people are hellbent on wasting others time and ruining their days

[tender lynx]

0.5% winrate

it get lower every update

[sharp ember]

GTFO hurts my damn bones but i like how it sucks

[frank ether]

wow that makes my group look like gods

we had a decent winrate

[tender lynx]

welp

[frank ether]

maybe we should make a party out of vet chat someday and see how bad we do lmao

[tender lynx]

also does smoke grenade do anything to melee specialist?

[sharp ember]

if they already know you’re there no

[tender lynx]

4 vet all voice of command stack to 200 extra toughness

we good

[frank ether]

I like the way it sucks

[pastel geode]

Every time I’ve went “I wanna go join a hard twins team” life has said “lol here’s more drama you gotta extinguish nerd”

[pastel geode]

That sounds fun honestly lol

[frank ether]

I can imagine thats what the peeps who speedrun rundowns probably think

[tender lynx]

good strat

unless you need that long ass stun

[pliant spire]

What are the rare blessings I should be on look out for veteran?

[pastel geode]

“For Cadia”
“For Creed”
Give them the old kasrkin double tap”
“Not one step back”
“For the emperor”

[fleet garden]

FOR CADIA

[sharp ember]

the holy grail is Power Cycler 4 for the Power Swords, and Brutal Momentum for both Combat Axes and Power Swords

[idle carbon]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/196

[sharp ember]

otherwise just general melee blessings like Rampage and Savage Sweep

oh gods i wonder what will come of that

[idle carbon]

and the first mod I remember that used the audio plugin
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/218

[magic geyser]

played my first game in a long time with plasma gun, it does a lot of damage, oneshotted all specials and elites, but it also feels clunky

like

"why do i have to wait a second, i wanna wreck that gunner's shit now "

[sharp ember]

that’s the “you’re gonna die” anticipation

the static rises before lightning strikes

[safe plover]

Yeah plasma gun is good but it's a very peculiar gameplay. Personally I hate it.

I always enjoy a second vet with plasma gun in my team tho.

[magic geyser]

if i'd need something single shot high damage i prefer the slug shotgun

[safe plover]

shoot, reload, shoot, reload, shoot, reload, shoot...

The single shot break action 12 gauge experience

[magic geyser]

all in all feels more instant, just preload a slug

like

"see that gunner?"

"no you dont"

[safe plover]

vaperan be like: "wait, don't shoot it, let me throw that smoke grenade at it, I swear, it's useful"

[magic geyser]

and now for the last weapon on my tryouts for today, bolter

[safe plover]

"wait, I have to reload... no, not yet... almost there... just a little more... there we go! aaaaand I have to reload again..."

[magic geyser]

sounds about right from what i last experienced from the gun

but since then i max ranked my vet, didnt have any ammo perks back then

all in all, favorite guns are the Agripinaa MK IX Headhunter Autogun, the Accatran MK VIIa Recon Lasgun, the Agripinaa MK VII Combat Shotgun, and the Kantrael MK X Heavy Laspistol

[safe plover]

VIIa ? VId has way more DPS imo

[magic geyser]

i like the slower more punchy nature

[safe plover]

I mean, in T4 difficulty you can play anything anyway.

[radiant plank]

Not the vraks 7?

[safe plover]

T5 maelstrom on the other hand...

[magic geyser]

yeah that one too

[magic geyser]

..... i play T1 and T2

[safe plover]

Ok then yeah, play whatever

Everything works at those difficulties

[magic geyser]

you'd be surprised how often people go down here

[safe plover]

Wait, it's possible to go down in T1?

[magic geyser]

people tend to get surprised by triple mauler squad

[safe plover]

Maybe I'll do some T3, I still need that "don't die 10 times" penance

Kinda hard to pull off when playing only T5 maelstrom

psyker with 6 wounds

Just in case

[radiant plank]

I think it's don't go down, so your wound curios won't help

[safe plover]

Was in reply to Had Dreyko Enjoyer

Not the penance

[radiant plank]

Ahhh I see

[safe plover]

But yeah, 1400 hours of Darktide, still haven't completed this penance

My fault for only doing T5

[radiant plank]

Tbh after doing t5 T3 feels so slow

[safe plover]

I bet

[magic geyser]

i love the singleshot function on bolter as my "fuck that guy in particular" gun 😄

[safe plover]

[magic geyser]

bolter spamfiring into a crowd is funny

but reloading and pulling out is a pain

[teal abyss]

The 30% reload on elite kill veteran perk makes it bearable

[lime gyro]

seeing the scion helmet makes me much more disappointed with the current kasrkin helmet

[safe plover]

Where does this come from?

[lime gyro]

From game files

[safe plover]

Ah, not here yet

I forgot, the FOMO and all...

Thanks Fat Shark

[lime gyro]

Most likey next shop rotation

[safe plover]

So 1 week? aprox

[lime gyro]

Whenever the next rotation is

[agile yew]

Are there any events ever that provide cosmetics? Like Vermintide 2 does seasonals and such

[midnight mortar]

Darktide hasn't had any seasonal events like that yet.

[frank ether]

current even gives you a 2D icon. Are you not entertained?

[midnight mortar]

Early access launch for the first year. Please understand.

[frank ether]

I'd genuinely excuse it if I didn't know they have bazillions of shit modeled just lying around waiting for their moment in fomo shop rotation

[frank ether]

I didn't think the game would even make it out of the hole it dug itself in but class rework and console port seems to have done the trick

I just still can't come to terms with this live service thing

[magic geyser]

next event should give rannick a clown nose but we wont notice because Rannick's rarely ever seen

[frank ether]

he does speak in some of the later missions

and also in the karnak fight

release DT did an awful job at introducing any of the characters

[magic geyser]

yeah i felt like i was just kinda thrust into this game full force like i am expected to read up on the thousands of hours of Warhammer 40k lore prior

i had 0 knowledge prior to first playing the game, when i entered the hub i thought "wow, spaceship church "

[vernal harbor]

Nah you’re just a reject you’re expected to not know a single thing

[lime gyro]

Lore accurate average imperial citizen

[vernal harbor]

“Wow a ____ church!” Is literally about everything from a bathroom to a star fortress

Honestly it’s probably more interesting if you don’t know anything

[safe plover]

Wait till you see sisters of battle

[magic geyser]

fair i saw that titan with a church on its shoulders and was like "holy shit. literally"

[vernal harbor]

The random rumors and blatant lies they believe in game could be real for all you know

[safe plover]

btw, you're eating corpse starch.

The more you know...

[vernal harbor]

The theme of the whole universe is ignorance so

Ignore the food

[magic geyser]

yummy yummy paste

[safe plover]

Ignorance is bliss

[safe plover]

[magic geyser]

if they didnt want me to eat their corpse paste, they shouldnt have made the paste so yummy

[safe plover]

[untold mulch]

I SWEAR THE DRIP IS IMMACULATE

I am so pissed off we can't earn aquilas ingame, I would 100% buy the Scion skin when(if) drops if I could sunk the cost in half by farming

[celest vine]

This was literally just found right?

Like added with the recent hotfix kind of “just found”

[placid portal]

Oi you gotz a loisense for making Corpse starch???? The Corspe guild is gonna hear about this....

[celest vine]

Also we dont have an actual kasrkin helmet, the look alike in game isnt for kasrkin

Non kasrkin models can have it as a head variant

[odd pollen]

ofc it's for the shop

problably gonna be worth 4900 cause they worked on it for too long 😔

[celest vine]

🔜

[ancient raptor]

omg found it finally

[odd pollen]

how

[ancient raptor]

luck ig

[celest vine]

I hope the sword is good

Slaughter is actually good

[ancient raptor]

been trying for a while tho

[celest vine]

Yeah you have your main sword now

[abstract moth]

I did by making the weapon gold

[celest vine]

Flak and carapace +25%

[tiny summit]

In comparison to me when I went for it. First try searching for PC4

[celest vine]

Youre gold

Cycler 4 was the first lvl4 blessing I got for powersword

[nimble sentinel]

got it grandfathered when they changed how power cycler works, still think psword is trash

[ancient raptor]

can i change slautgherer with brutal momentum 4 ?

[celest vine]

You can yeah

[ancient raptor]

then +25 maniacs

[celest vine]

Bonus power lets you deal killer damage to big enemies

You already destroy maniacs so

[ancient raptor]

flak ?

[celest vine]

I think you can two hit crushers with slaughter

[ancient raptor]

slaughterer or you meant momentum

[celest vine]

I use mine as the anti armor weapon in my kit

Slaughter

Its bonus damage on kill

Kill some chaff and annihalate a crusher

[ancient raptor]

ez pz type sht

[celest vine]

Brutal momentum is for horde clearing

And sunder does the same

[abstract moth]

So which is better

[celest vine]

Both work well

Sunder you can hit bulwarks through shields

(No damage but can stagger)

[tiny summit]

I forget what the details were but it depends on the group combination.

[celest vine]

Brutal momentum can clear hordes like no other

But powersword is already good at it to begin with

My logic is to jack up its armor killing abilities

[thick rose]

I should get a psword before they nerf

[gaunt hinge]

i fucking knew the ogryn helmet was a broken scion hat

[thick rose]

ive been happy with my dclaw...

[grizzled pebble]

Standard issue shovel

[tiny summit]

My get the fuck off me stick. Thanks Hadron for this first upgraded shovel

Yes I need to changed perks.

[grizzled pebble]

Oh nice.

Best blessings.

[vernal harbor]

as a las vet i gotta say

https://tenor.com/view/shoota-boy-warhammer40k-kill-team-ork-wh40k-gif-26410400

dakka got me feral

ive seen the light

auto gun supremacy

who needs percision killing when you can kill everything

[thick rose]

agrip iag is doing me nice

[tiny summit]

Been playing columnus with onslaught more than plasma but been playing helbore even more

[vernal harbor]

multiple people are typing

[vernal harbor]

what im runnin

grenadier gunner

never run out of ammo or nades

only on auric tho because it supplies enough elites

[junior needle]

Brutal momentum quadruples your bruiser killing ability in every swing, and sunder lets you hit whole hordes regardless of bulwarks or crushers present. I strongly recommend keeping the non-cycler blessing slot open for changes

Especially since blessing power levels are prone to change

[thick rose]

iag is cool because maniacs become nothing

and you can play whatever melee you enjoy instead of needing ass cover

(still running dlclaw though because fun)

[vernal harbor]

i just feel like its gotta be annoying as hell to listen to

for me its music to my ears

but for everyone else i wonder if the 'guy who never pulls his melee out' gets annoying

like even for hordes i have plenty of ammo to mow the lawn

so its kinda never stops

maniacs were never nothin laddy

[thick rose]

your gun isn't as loud for others

[vernal harbor]

oh thank god lmao

[thick rose]

kinda makes me sad, want them to hear my revolver 😦

when I use it

[vernal harbor]

we hear it

is iag the 'gunner' gun or can the colum braced compete?

iag seems to have kick

wait i was always using colum

https://tenor.com/view/hands-looking-eyeglasses-my-hands-gif-16705955

my god

the colum fanboys were right the whole time

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-watchmen-explode-gif-19226177

ARGHGH--

anyone know for sure if any vet talents still 'dont work'

like covering fire not procing or comp urge? i hear for the longest time these are kinda iffy

[sharp ember]

covering fire is completely functional, comp urge doesn’t have any outstanding issues i’m aware of

one talent issue is Shocktrooper for recon lasguns, it only gives free ammo on the first shot of a crit string

which was basically deliberate

[frank ether]

wasnt that an intentional nerf though

yea

fatshark just said fuck recons

lmao

[sharp ember]

but wasn’t written into the patch notes, we had to find out and hoot and holler to everyone about it

[thick fossil]

That is nasty.

[sharp ember]

i think everything else is functioning as written

[bright fjord]

is there anything remotely as good as plasma guns

[thick fossil]

If you are a good shot Revolver is up there.

[sharp ember]

so long as your plasma has ammo, nothing kills as well as plasma does

thing whips out almost as fast as a revolver too

[gusty bison]

Mhm

Plasma is like one of the few guns though that does need to be careful with ammo

[thick fossil]

Is the official fatshark darktide website up to date with the health numbers for the enemies? I wanted to have the data at hand to figure out breakpoints but I'm not sure if is correct.

[gusty bison]

Even with good play

[sharp ember]

…there’s an official website with data?

[gusty bison]

To the point where u often do need to use ur melee vs some melee elites.

[thick fossil]

Isn't darktide.gameslantern.com the official one?

[gusty bison]

No

[tiny summit]

You can't be as ignorant with ammo as you can be with other weapons. Plasma just works but also say the lasguns. You aren't gonna feel any ammo loss using it on individual riflemen

[serene bough]

Its a shame recon didn't last more than one patch

With rending toned down it would've been nice if the guns still had their 4 crit string

Im pretty sure the columnus still does so why not recon

[gusty bison]

Plasma in fact actually doesnt have enough ammo to kill all the elites/specials either so u either need ur team to chip in a fair share or use ur melee a fair bit

[tiny summit]

It wasn't even an OP thing. Funnny pew pew that was also effective

[gusty bison]

Or u need to get a good chunk of the ammo pickups

[thick fossil]

That's a very peculiar fact.

[gusty bison]

Its due to the ammo efficiency of it

[tiny summit]

Guess they thought the amount of free ammo off crits was an issue

[gusty bison]

Most guns are either ammo positive, neutral or slightly negative when elite/special killing

Plasma is pretty heavily negative

[serene bough]

Plasmas ammo efficiency is offset by the fact that you can gank a conga kine of gunners out of spawn and kill them all with one charged shot

[thick fossil]

What's the basis for this information you are bringing?

[gusty bison]

Combine that with only 40 rounds in a clip and 40 rounds reserve

[gusty bison]

How survivalist interacts with weapons

[thick fossil]

A single plasma shot can kill multiple specials for example.

[serene bough]

Seems weird when you consider mg4 Las is basically in the same position

[gusty bison]

But u need to average 3 specials per shot to be ammo positive

Which is extremely unrealistic

[thick fossil]

It seems quite complicated to calculate you are never going to have enough ammo in the map to kill all the specialists.

[tiny summit]

Like lasguns that crit dome elites. Every elite is ammo positive

[gusty bison]

This is assuming u dont get ALL the pickups

[thick fossil]

Have you tried playing solo with the plasma?

[gusty bison]

Yes

[thick fossil]

And you had not enough ammo.

[gusty bison]

You rely on ur melee a lot more

[tiny summit]

MG4 may be offset over it having some recoil and semi

[thick fossil]

I see.

[gusty bison]

Like u cant just snipe EVERY elite/special with plasma

You actually need to use the melee in some cases to save a bit

[tiny summit]

You have a vet with a helbore? Congrats everyone else can pick up all the ammo

While the plasma vet is gonna want some of it

[gusty bison]

Meanwhile something like a helbore will just never run out

Period

[thick fossil]

I wouldn't put the helbores and plasma on the same pedestal, but hey you do you.

[gusty bison]

Helbore atm is batshit insane

[thick fossil]

Ohh yeah, it makes me go insane I give you that.

[gusty bison]

Its the best lasgun on top of being a S tier melee weapon

[tiny summit]

You mean the vet exclusive weapons? The weapons the vet has to choose 1 or the other?

[gusty bison]

Its better than mk3 shovel at killing ragers. In melee

[south garnet]

Hey you took my joke! This guy stole my joke! JOKE STEALER JOKE STEALER

You'll be receiving a cease and desist from my lawyer

[thick fossil]

I mean like, I would never put then on the same scale for comparison period.

[south garnet]

An incredibly petty and litigious individual

[serene bough]

Idk if you just aim a little lower than the head and spam fire you can pretty consistently land headshots, the recoil isn't that bad

[gusty bison]

The only thing that keeps the bayo from being the best melee in the game is the fact u cant block with it

[serene bough]

Not to mention autofire mods exist

[tiny summit]

You get 1 ranged weapon and both are exclusive to vet...

[gusty bison]

Oh and that it sucks vs carapace

[serene bough]

Bayonet is gonna be nerfed

[gusty bison]

The bayo buff was a fkin mistake lmao

[serene bough]

Where's Mrcraime with his 1million damage overkill scoreboard using bayonet melee shenanigans

[tiny summit]

Your experience with recoil isn't the majority's experience with recoil.

[gusty bison]

Helbore is lowkey OP atm.

The main reason why u dont see it more often is because its not braindead easy like the volver and plasma

[pearl granite]

[versed merlin]

thats omega poggers

you just won the lottery

[tiny summit]

It needed it. Trust.

[serene bough]

The point is the weapon crits enough to never have ammo be an issue with survivalist

[south garnet]

I rolled a 550 helbore 1 lastnight that sucks dick unfortunately

[serene bough]

So why can't recon also benefit from that

[gusty bison]

Fatshark be like: We must buff all the guns that dont need buffs

[south garnet]

In the bad way not the cool way

[serene bough]

Power noodle

[tiny summit]

Imagine helbore 3 with a good bayonet

[gusty bison]

Just use it as a spear

[tiny summit]

Only reason I don't use 3

[gusty bison]

Good enough

[serene bough]

I really don't like helbores

So slow

[gusty bison]

The Mk 2 HB is faster than the MG12

[tiny summit]

Onslaught makes 1 and 2 not slow at all

[serene bough]

I use mg4

[tiny summit]

I want a good mg4

[gusty bison]

Ok yea thats just a different playstyle entirely

[serene bough]

Mg12 is irrelevant after the mg1a dethroned it anyways

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/kumardankaybedenmaymun-gif-27122209

that was the whole point of the gun

[gusty bison]

Helbore and Vraks 7 I would say are thr same type of weapon atm

[tiny summit]

It isn't irrelevant as it can still 1 tap more often but also why worry about 1 tapping if the fire rate makes up for it

[serene bough]

Pretty much

If you're gonna run a 1-tap build may as well take mg1a with exe stance

[gusty bison]

It doesnt 1 tap stuff more often is the thing

Mg1a hits all the bps MG12 hits

[serene bough]

If you dont mind 2-3 tapping then grab an Mg4

[gusty bison]

Id say thou the HB2 > MG1a

[tiny summit]

The 40 dmg differential between Ia and XII aren't enough for me to look away from Ia's fire rate

[gusty bison]

The gun handling on the helbore sells it for me tbh

[vernal harbor]

honestly once you really get use to it the fire rate is whatever, but i mean like REALLY use to it to the point where you pretty much can do surgery with it

[gusty bison]

When ur relying on 1 taps u dont want shit like weapon sway and aimpunch to mess up ur shot

[tiny summit]

Not needing suppression immunity on helbore to save a talent and using weakspot

[tiny summit]

It is satisfying

[gusty bison]

Also better dodges

[vernal harbor]

but yall know the heavy las pistol is the best

[gusty bison]

So much better dodges

[tiny summit]

And a free spear that can be your main melee

[south garnet]

I've been running bolter again the last few days and really loving it

[serene bough]

I thought at first the heavy laspistol was doodoo, but the more I use it the better I enjoy it

Basically just a handheld Mg12

[gusty bison]

Heavy laspistol is a laspistol that doesnt give you carpal tunnel

[vernal harbor]

YESSIR

[gusty bison]

XD

[serene bough]

Once I started using the mg4 installed an auto fire mod

[tiny summit]

I have missions now where the only time I swap is a circling horde which can be avoided with positioning and bursters

[vernal harbor]

bolter imo goes with shotgun in that i need more ammo to bring it

[misty quest]

Head taps with the new laspistol is

[tiny summit]

Weak!

[serene bough]

If you decided to begin using that weapon you may change your mind

The fire rate is crazy

[gusty bison]

I personally cant get used to the recoil on the MG4

[tiny summit]

The heavy heavy laspistol

[misty quest]

Mg4 is a pretty good assault lasgun. Pop exe stance and hipfire heads

[serene bough]

I only heavily spam shots if I'm dumping into a crowd of gunners

[misty quest]

Practically infinite ammo

[tiny summit]

I do use it, just don't have an optimal one

[serene bough]

Otherwise it can 1hko common shooters with a headshot and 2 shot most gunners

[gusty bison]

Yea i cant stand the gunner 2 shot

Is the issue

First shot staggering them is just

pain

[serene bough]

It doesn't stagger jn my experience

They just take it

Unless you run falter

[tiny summit]

Just adjust aim?

[old quail]

ive had 1 interaction with the mgiv since i started playing this game and it was a dude shooting a gunner like 4 times before i just killed it with a throwing knife

[gusty bison]

Thats the thing. At this point the rof advantage is lost

[old quail]

granted he had like

headhunter/infernus

[serene bough]

You dont always have to use full rof

[gusty bison]

If i need to reset my aim then why dont i just run a slower gun that kills in 1

[serene bough]

If you dont run exe stance mg1 and mg4 will hit the same breakpoints

And mg4 has decent hip fire

So it's more versatile in that sense

[tiny summit]

I didn't say reset you aim, I just said adjust

Tracking aim skill

[gusty bison]

A stagger basically requires an aim reset cos of how wild they flail around

[serene bough]

Gunners do not stagger

[gusty bison]

Its not like a recon where u can bean a guy 5x before they move

[tiny summit]

I only find that relevant for dogs for any gun

[serene bough]

Maybe the common ones do but one headshot kills them

[gusty bison]

They deffo do

[serene bough]

No

[gusty bison]

Its actually a serious issue on the columnus IAGs at 30m

Where it makes laser beaming them annoying

[tiny summit]

Sure you don't have the stagger blessing?

[serene bough]

The mg4 doesn't have enough stagger they'll just stand there and take it

[gusty bison]

Nope

Deadly acc

And opening salvo cos I didnt have a good alternative

In b4 opening salvo is what fking staggers them

[serene bough]

I doubt it

[junior needle]

It gives power

Which gives stagger

[serene bough]

But I've been using it since it's buff

And I've never had to deal with stagger problems running headhunter + ghost/deadly acc

[slim rivet]

time for Hadron Brick

[gusty bison]

Iirc a MG4 crit headshot doesnt kill a gunner outside exec stance

[junior needle]

So opening salvo actually would influence that

[serene bough]

With the mg4 you usually need 2 headshots

[gusty bison]

Yea a crit deffo floors them

[serene bough]

Some things like shotgunners will die to a crit

But you can let loose so many rounds per second that the difference between a 2 or 3 hit breakpoint isn't that large

[frank ether]

I really want to like mg4 but cant

[gusty bison]

Its pretty big tbh

[serene bough]

Not with the weapons fire rate

[gusty bison]

Cos of suppression, stagger, etc

[frank ether]

Its also the downfall of the weapon imo since like other infant las its reliant on deadly accurate to do the heavylifting

but wildly spamming shots will likely waste crits on bodyshots wasting DA potential

[serene bough]

I dont find DA worth on MG4

[gusty bison]

It also has no consistent way of getting those crits

[serene bough]

Headhunter is consistently able to make the gun crit

[frank ether]

MG4 in general feels like a worse iag in every single way to me

and no not just ciag

[gusty bison]

Every few shots sure

But not every shot

[frank ether]

I just dont see why I'd ever use it over any iag

[gusty bison]

And sometimes it crits when i dont want it to crit

[frank ether]

or laspis

[gusty bison]

A crit to the body is urrrrrrgh

Cos u get stagger

[shut vector]

join me in prayer to the omnissiah

[serene bough]

Well on regards to other iag the mg4 & 1a have similar breakpoints if you dont run exe stance

[gusty bison]

1a 1 taps gunners

[tiny summit]

Aim good enough and the spamming still works

[frank ether]

I am aiming good enough

[serene bough]

Not without exe stance

[frank ether]

which is exactly why I'm not using MG4

I don't need a spam gun

[gusty bison]

Yes on a crit headshot

[junior needle]

I'd like better body shot options for the infantry lasguns, blessing wise

[gusty bison]

Without exec stance

[serene bough]

Okay but as you mentioned you can't guarantee crits

[gusty bison]

Mg4 doesnt

Yea but i'll take some 1 taps over no one taps

[serene bough]

Most instances you'll be 2 tapping

[gusty bison]

Eh my crit rate on that gun iirc is usually 40%

[shut vector]

alright look is it bricked im too stupid to tell

[serene bough]

The highest crit rate flat you can obtain is 20%

Well, unless you run deadshot

[tiny summit]

Well if your aim is good enough then more spam and more fire rate is good

[gusty bison]

Deadshot alone is 25% =.=

[serene bough]

Don't like deadshot

[gusty bison]

Reciprocity is practically also usually a solid 10-15%

[frank ether]

that still doesn't answer why I should shoot an MG4 over iag

they both reward headshots

one also works very well with bodyshots

[gusty bison]

Esp if ur running deadshot duck n dive

[serene bough]

Repricocity for a lasgun?

[gusty bison]

Of course

Why not?

[frank ether]

might aswell

[gusty bison]

Its an amazing talent

[frank ether]

I dont see why not

[gusty bison]

Ur running deadshot dnd anyway

[serene bough]

The one that requires you to dodge melee hits?

[gusty bison]

Yes?

[serene bough]

I also run repricocity

[tiny summit]

Mag dump champ you got here

[serene bough]

But why are you using a lasgun in melee range

[gusty bison]

Why not?

[shut vector]

thanks man

[frank ether]

the game is melee range?

[serene bough]

Because that's dumb

[frank ether]

when can you avoid melee in this game?

[serene bough]

Melee the enemies in front of you

[tiny summit]

Free stam for deadshot

[gusty bison]

Just cos theres 3 poxwalkers next to me doesnt mean im gonna attack them rather than the 14 gunners that are actually being annoying

Threat priority

[frank ether]

is this a malice meme I'm not familiar with because what do you do when there is a bomber or flamer in the distance

[tiny summit]

Also you have a MG4. You have 900-1000 charge

[frank ether]

do you just ignore it and melee chaff

[serene bough]

?

Im so confused

[frank ether]

so am I

[gusty bison]

Yea i usually ignore melee threats if it isnt 4 ragers if theres a higher priority ranged threat

Just dodge them

[frank ether]

genuinely confused

[serene bough]

The point is repricocity and it's crit benefit with majorly benefit melee as opposed to a lasgun

[gusty bison]

No?

U get crit on a dodge

[serene bough]

Yes

[frank ether]

was repr melee only?

[gusty bison]

Generally speaking ur always weaving in dodges

[thick fossil]

You run, deadshot + reciprocity on a lasgun. You are constantly in range of melee units to guarantee you having reciprocity but you just dodge them and not engage them in melee.

[gusty bison]

No

[serene bough]

No its melee and range

But like

[frank ether]

I never bothered testing it but doesn't it also work for dodging gunner fire?

isn't that like pretty damn solid?

what is the issue

[serene bough]

The main benefit from that crit is obviously melee

[gusty bison]

Lol no?

[serene bough]

Because it's only from melee dodges

[frank ether]

nah crit on ranged is op

[gusty bison]

Its just crit

[white minnow]

some ranged weapons have crit strings and no melee weapons have crit strings

[serene bough]

Im being trolled

[frank ether]

especially on finesse guns crit makes or breaks builds

[gusty bison]

I run deadshot, duck n dive and reciprocity

Those 3 combo well

[thick fossil]

Is this lasgun a laspistol???

[serene bough]

Obviously the crit applies to both ranged and melee but you're only able to generate that buff from melee

[gusty bison]

Lasgun

[frank ether]

you're not trolled Idk what to tell you other than you were missing out on a lot of fun

[white minnow]

no

[thick fossil]

Ohh no.

[serene bough]

I use repricocity

[white minnow]

you can generate it from ranged attacks as well

yeah me too

[gusty bison]

Its better with helbore than MG1a

But its fine with MG1a

[serene bough]

I just don't know why you would spamfire your lasgun when you're in melee combat

Except to just delete a very high priority yarget like a bomber or trapper

[gusty bison]

Because you have higher priority threats at a distancr

Because ngl

Most melee threats are low priority as shit

[serene bough]

I just said that

[gusty bison]

Like gunners are higher prior than 95% of melee threats

[serene bough]

But if its gunners or other things suppressing you just LoS and melee

[gusty bison]

Shooters as well

[gusty bison]

Why do this when i can kill the gunners and not have my movement restricted

[serene bough]

This is trolling

The answer to that is dependent heavily on what's in melee range of you

Sure if it's 1 poxie why not fire back

[gusty bison]

95% of melee threats arent an immediate threat

[serene bough]

If its a horde or melee enemies or ragers/maulers

[abstract moth]

I agree to that tbh

[gusty bison]

Maulers, Crushers, Bulwarks, Lone rager, a horde

[serene bough]

The argument would be vastly different

[gusty bison]

All of those can be near infinitely kited

The only one that you MUST deal with is rager packs

[serene bough]

Well I don't know how you play

But when I see a vet trying to fire at enemies in melee they usually get smacked around very quickly

[gusty bison]

Dont fire at the enemy in melee

[serene bough]

????

[gusty bison]

Ignore them

[frank ether]

I dont think you're reading this properly

[gusty bison]

Fire at the enemy in the back

[serene bough]

When firing at enemies in the back, the vet gets downed by threats they're ignoring in melee

[gusty bison]

Im saying, ignore the guy in your face by dodging their attacks and kill the fucker in the back thats zoning the team

[thick fossil]

I don't think I'm reading it properly either.

[serene bough]

I know what you're saying

[frank ether]

thats because they are not dodging

[serene bough]

Im saying that's dumb

[gusty bison]

95% of melee threats arent immediately pressing as long as you are aware of them

[serene bough]

100% of ranged threats aren't an issue if you find defensible ground and LoS

I mean again

[thick fossil]

Lot's of VERY situational highly volatile situations just minimized to "95% of melee threats are not a big deal" as a veteran, focusing on targeting enemies from afar, with ADS (because you have deadshot)

[gusty bison]

Until u get 4 bombers that catch you while ur pinned

[serene bough]

This discussion is very dependent on what the melee threat is

[gusty bison]

And u cant control when the director decides to shit out bombers

[quasi socket]

i like it when i have a team that can control melee threats while i blow up the ranged ones with plasma. those are fun games.

[serene bough]

You do you I guess

[frank ether]

nah this is beyond helping honestly

feel like vets just cant multitask

[serene bough]

Bombers are definitely a high priority threat

[gusty bison]

Its a lot easier to react to a rager pack than 4 bombers spawning in god knows where and immediately bombarding ur position in fire

So getting pinned is risky

[serene bough]

But the original point you were making was with gunners

[celest vine]

If exectuioners stance refreshed toughness it would be better

[gusty bison]

Its why i dont like allowing gunners to pin the team ina corner where u have to LoS them

[serene bough]

It just seems like nonsense to me

[gusty bison]

Cos if u get a bomber spam spawn ur just screwed

[serene bough]

Multitasking is one thing but the point here was the main crit benefit from repricocity is obviously going to be favoring melee combat more than ranged

[gusty bison]

Its very hard to react to 4 bombers when ur hiding in a corner being barraged by a wall of gunners

[frank ether]

good ability for sharpshooter vet? nooo take your larpshooter keystone and crouch walk instead

[gusty bison]

Except it doesnt?

[serene bough]

Which goes back to the point of why using mg4 over 1a which is critical hits are not guaranteed

[abstract moth]

When you're in an open spot you can control melee threats by dodging or blocking but that gets why harder if you have gunners and ranged enemies keep shooting at you or throwing stuff. Tho I agree with ragers packs, personally I find difficult to kite hordes of maulers or crushers while trying to kill ranged targets

[gusty bison]

Ur gonna be constantly dodging while shooting

[serene bough]

Which the argument for that was the mg4 reaches similar breakpoints, has better ammo efficiency, and can hipfire relatively well making it a versatile weapon

[frank ether]

crit favors melee over ranged is a weird take when it literally makes or breaks certain guns lmao

[gusty bison]

Reciprocity is nutso good

[frank ether]

its your only choice besides deadshot at reliable crit chance

[gusty bison]

It literallt combos with the deadshot duck n dive playstyle perfectly

Ur dodging already

[frank ether]

its not even a good or bad thing if you want crit you take reci

[serene bough]

You guys are something else

[frank ether]

its that simple

[gusty bison]

Why not get free crit while ur dodging

[serene bough]

I use repricocity

[celest vine]

That fucking keystone is just recon lasgun buffed

[serene bough]

Its a great talent

[thick fossil]

I feel there a question here that was asked, and a lot of weird side tracking.

[gusty bison]

With reciprocity my bolter usually gets to 100% crit rate in 1s of surgical

Its nuts

[serene bough]

But like, repricocity stacks are generated jn melee, and if you're not in melee range you won't get crit stacks

[frank ether]

its a pointless discussion anyways

as is with most vet discussion

[serene bough]

And if im in melee range of something im going to melee it lol

[gusty bison]

1. Getting shot at generates then too

2. why arent u in melee range

[low oar]

Remove vet

[frank ether]

%99 of arguments here could be solved by just

throwing fucking gameplay at the arguer

[gusty bison]

Imho if u arent in melee range ur either running a MG12 or playing too far back

[serene bough]

Dodging range does not generate repricocity

[low oar]

Removing vet

[frank ether]

All I have to do is

put a clip here

where floor is LITERALLY LAVA

[abstract moth]

I mean I do agree with their point, is logical to me

[frank ether]

and ask how I'm going to melee the flamer/bomber

[thick fossil]

This makes way to much sense, I can understand this discussions now.

[gusty bison]

Vet atm thrives at being up front. Like so much of their kit revolves around being in melee/melee range/up close

And being up front improves sightlines

[serene bough]

This sidetracked discussion isn't relevant

I originally was making the point that mg4 and mg1a reach similar breakpoints outside of crit

[gusty bison]

I will say this.

The MG1a isnt anything special

Its just ok

[frank ether]

just use a mk2 helbore

there I said it

[gusty bison]

But i do like that i can get it to 40-60% crit rate and the crits are about thr same as a mk2 HB

[frank ether]

infant las stink

blergh

[rocky jacinth]

The big brain play is obviously to run revolver with Agile Engagement so you have an excuse to kill the melee dudes before you snipe the special.

[gusty bison]

But yea the Mk2 HB is just

Nuts

[frank ether]

I like the mg12 though but still

[serene bough]

Meh

[frank ether]

why play it over helbore

or laspis

[serene bough]

Helbores are too slow for my taste

[frank ether]

they even made a heavy laspis now

[gusty bison]

Inf las needs some serious help

[quasi socket]

i find it funny when arguments break out because of 2 differing styles of play. and neither side will concede their point because reasons.

[serene bough]

I dont agree honestly but to each their own opinion

[frank ether]

I was about to say this the other day but ''it has a niche'' apparently

[abstract moth]

Inf las are my favorite guns tbh the kantrael mg la

[frank ether]

which is like you know

fair

[gusty bison]

Atm u just go Vraks 7, HB 2, Bolter, Laspistol, IAG instead of the iLas

[serene bough]

Mg1a and mg4 have their place from my experience and im okay with both

[frank ether]

I don't care if they continue to suck

[gusty bison]

Theres like one use and thats they have a holosight and are easier to pick up

[rocky jacinth]

Both points of view make perfect sense because what's best depends on the situation. It's not a black and white thing.

[gusty bison]

Which... ok fine

[frank ether]

at least they're not as bad as recon to the point when I see someone running infant las I consider quitting lobby

[gusty bison]

Ye

[frank ether]

because I know when there is recon user in my lobby my back will hurt

[gusty bison]

Imho iLas could do with a better defining role

[frank ether]

and no one will have any ammo

[gusty bison]

The MG4 and MG1a i feel should burst fire.

[serene bough]

Uh, no

That's just a waste of ammo

[abstract moth]

Wdym recon? Survivalist?

[serene bough]

Mg4 and 1a are fine as they are

[gusty bison]

They are usable

Just...

Bleeeeergh

[rocky jacinth]

I'm going to use Kantrael 12 with Exe and I'm going to one shot those Reapers and you can't stop me

[frank ether]

I'd take burst las. It would at least offer something different

don't care if they introduce as a new pattern either

[serene bough]

Theyre more than usable they're great and effective weapons for dealing with multiple ranged threats

[abstract moth]

Yeah tbh

[gusty bison]

Its usable like how an agripinna 9 HH is usable

[serene bough]

All iag 1 tap common gunners

[gusty bison]

in the head

Thats not good

[serene bough]

And they can easily reach breakpoints on other elite gunners outside of the mg4

[serene bough]

Learn to aim

[abstract moth]

I once saw a guy with the quick las gun and he was killing specials and elites all over the place, wish I knew what he had

[frank ether]

I won't, the pack of crushers will after you shoot them for 4 damage

[quasi socket]

sorry i mispoke. neither side will see the other pov and think"yeah, i can see why they play that way", of course this is from an undercaffeinated outsider perspective that just sees vet chat blowing up over either 1) talent choices 2) weapon preferences 3) obfuscated information the devs just need to make clear so the players actually can understand how tf the game works without needed to read every stat block/perform tons of testing.

[rocky jacinth]

skill issue

[gusty bison]

An IAG does this

You know

The thing that spits out a bajillion bullets?

[rocky jacinth]

They don't know about my Power Sword

[serene bough]

What

[gusty bison]

Yes

An IAG can 1 tap a dreg shooter in the head

[serene bough]

Bajillion bullets?

[rocky jacinth]

But actually it also 4 shots Crushers so I dunno man

[frank ether]

clever

Idk in what universe your infant las is 4shotting crusher

do infant las get surgical?

[serene bough]

You have some very strange takes

[abstract moth]

Like some times it shoots more than a bullet?

[serene bough]

No

But they do get headhunter

[gusty bison]

Like if ur ranking guns that can 1 shot regular shooters on a headshot. Infantry autogun qualifiers

[rocky jacinth]

The Headhunter Deadly Accurate Focus Target universe, it's a lot of damage

[gusty bison]

And that thing has a way higher rof than the iLas

The next breakpoint up is being able to one shot chaff shooters on a bodyshot

[serene bough]

What's your point

Why do I care about RoF if it's 1 shot to the head lol

[gusty bison]

Being able to 1 tap regular shooters inthe head is a very very low bar for a middling rof gun

To the point where its barely worth mentioning

[serene bough]

...

Let's agree to disagree

[gusty bison]

1 tap headshot on shooter is a BP that high rof guns meet

[abstract moth]

I mean is satisfying and rewarding to me

[gusty bison]

It is but like. If 90% of the guns in the game do it

Is it really special?

[serene bough]

These arguments are just bad

Infantry Las can reliably kill ranged threats

[abstract moth]

Yes

[gusty bison]

By this definition basically any gun not the braced auto can

And shredder

[serene bough]

Mg4 if you want to go mid-close skirmishes style, mg1a if you want a more mid-long ranged playstyle

[rocky jacinth]

I honestly just tuned mine to 1 shot ragers of both types on headshot, it's so satisfying. I don't like charge up weapons so the Helbores are a no-go

[serene bough]

Im really done with these nonsense arguments

[gusty bison]

I mean this doesnt mean much if every gun can do this

[quasi socket]

when are we getting a skin for a finger gun? is that gonna be the ork invasion expansion?

[gusty bison]

Its just... ok. A mediocre gun

As I said, its mediocre. Nothing special

[abstract moth]

I mean is all good, we're just discussing everyone has their own opinions

[serene bough]

And as I said let's agree to disagree

[gusty bison]

U wanna headhunt? Vraks 7.

[serene bough]

Agreed

[gusty bison]

U want a high rof gun that has good headshots? IAG

[serene bough]

But im not interested in discussing this further

[gusty bison]

U want a forgiving gun with amazing BPs? Helbore

Its a public forum u are free to stop replying whenever u want

[abstract moth]

To me is pretty okay like a 7 out of 10 and idk how but you can make that gun a 10 or 9 because I saw it

[gusty bison]

Yea but imho most guns in the game are 8/10 to 10/10

So it feels lackluster in comparison

[midnight totem]

What's the iag?

[gusty bison]

Infantry autogun

[midnight totem]

Ah

[median belfry]

helbore's so fun to snipe with if you have the -90% threat perk

[gusty bison]

Fun fact about the helbore: It actually for some reason is the most stable gun under pressure

[abstract moth]

Oh kek then we really have different ideas, most guns are very inaccurate at long distances specially if you're only given a iron sight

[gusty bison]

The only guns less accurate than it i can think of are the brauto, shredder and shotguns at 40+m

[gaunt hinge]

the only guns that really arent accurate are the guns you can brace

thats about it

[quasi socket]

i use crosshair remap for this, just use the chevron for iron sight and can tap heads pretty far off

[median belfry]

khhhwooom PLINK, and watch the crusher drop from a crit across the room

[rocky jacinth]

Actually what's up with shotties, the Kantrael is somehow the most reliable sniper killer despite being the "inaccurate" shotgun

[gusty bison]

The suppression and sway when moving on the Infantry Las is super high for no reason.

[gusty bison]

They tighten their spread A LOT when ADSed

[rocky jacinth]

Not counting the slug shot

[gusty bison]

And they have a minimum pellet count

So if ur min pellet count is 7, and u only hit with 1 pellet, it deals damage as though 7 pellets hit

[rocky jacinth]

Yeah I know, but the others I have to pump a lot shots to drop him with

[gusty bison]

This usually means if you tag him in the head the min pellet count makes ur damage at least 500

[rocky jacinth]

I'm just pointing out some goofy design

[frank ether]

isnt there also a mechanic where you can't possibly hit below a certain number of pellets

[gusty bison]

Yea thats the min pellet thing i mentioned

[frank ether]

like even if you just hit a single pellet on that sniper game will count it as like 4 or something

yea

thats the secret sauce imo

[gusty bison]

Mhm

[frank ether]

for why shotties feel accurate

[gaunt hinge]

[median belfry]

speaking of pellets. i feel like the bolter's in an odd spot currently.

[frank ether]

they aren't, game just cheats

smart though

[gusty bison]

Bolter is when im feeling too lazy to go for headshots :3

[dark rampart]

Bolter is in a terrible place currently

Feels pointless

[frank ether]

bolter is indeed for when I feel lazy

[gusty bison]

It can 1 shot bodyshot a lot of the elite and special roster

Thats its point

If ur going for heads u dont take bolter

[gaunt hinge]

go for head and boltuh

[gusty bison]

But being able to tap a gunner in the chest is very nice

[frank ether]

bolter works when you think beyond magdumping hordes

I think its actually pretty accurate that

shooting it wildly and inaccurately at worthless enemies

should indeed result in subpar performance

[gusty bison]

Even the plasma cannot 1 tap dreg gunners in the chest

[frank ether]

and a lot of reloading/looking for ammo

[gaunt hinge]

i think magdumping a non mixed horde is one of the biggest wastes of a boltuh ever

[rocky jacinth]

bolter is just shit with that draw speed and Exec can't compensate

[frank ether]

I understand tho if you use plasma this patch

[gusty bison]

Draw speed is annoying sure

I give u that

[frank ether]

bolter will look inferior

[gusty bison]

But its something that can be lived with

[frank ether]

but then again plasma is a broken gun

it shouldnt exist

[gaunt hinge]

i like to use the new revolver like a mini bolter magdumper

[gusty bison]

Bolter is better when u have a glugger oggy on ur team

:3

[rocky jacinth]

Ok yeah why is plasma a quick draw

[gaunt hinge]

see elite, fire 5 shots into it, reload

[frank ether]

anything is better with an oggy in the team

[gusty bison]

I meant better than plasma

[frank ether]

ah

like that

[gusty bison]

Cos u wont get ammo for the plasma

[frank ether]

right lmao

[thick rose]

you reckon fattestfish is gonna start actually rolling out some exciting stuff next year?

[gaunt hinge]

well itd be a shame if zola was just there to let us kill the twins only

[median belfry]

I just wish the bolter had a faster switch timer

[gaunt hinge]

ill expect more story and funny bosses to kill

[median belfry]

so that I could involve it in the melee build..

[gaunt hinge]

wonder when we'll get to shit on wolfer

[frank ether]

see the game designer thinks you will pair bolter with executioner stance to swap it fast

except they forgot the part where they nerfed executioner in like 10 different ways

[abstract moth]

I find the agripinaa mk1 and graia mk VIII not good for long distances specially with only the iron sight, can barely manage headshots for long distances, the bolter has to much recoil if you want a steady succession of head shots in long distances, haven't really used shotguns so can't really tell

[gaunt hinge]

what 10 ways was that

[gusty bison]

Agri 1 is pinpoint on the first shot and very very low spread on the first 5 when adsed

Graia has a bit more kick

[frail pond]

hello fellow veterans is this a good purchase from sire melk?

[gusty bison]

Bolter generally doesnt need headshots, thats its thing

[gaunt hinge]

no

[gusty bison]

Do u already have brutal momentum 4?

[frank ether]

no but you might want it for brutal momentum if you dont have it