veteran-class

[junior needle]

so 1/4 roll

[limber egret]

ok i just got this

this good instead?

even tho stability and mobility low?

[hollow ibex]

Mobility is the dump stat

[quasi socket]

single shot/low fire rate

[hollow ibex]

Stability you can prob still live with

Maybe take it to the range and see is if the stability bothers you

[limber egret]

tho is the weapon it self any good?

was one of the autoguns that looked interesting to try

welp

atleast surgical

but bad perks

and im not sure if ghost is even good

the blessing i mean

[idle carbon]

FYI the vraks headhunter works alarmingly well with opening salvo
when ADS'd it resets stupidly fast

[hollow ibex]

Yes

But you need to land headshots

[quasi socket]

you are the sniper

[hollow ibex]

Basically a dmr

[limber egret]

oh ok

but is Ghost blessing even good?

[quasi socket]

shoot head, buys you time to shoot next head while being shot at

if aggressive i can see it being unnecessary/useless

[limber egret]

oh ok

so i guess its atleast good

and not like a bad blessing

[viscid vessel]

So, any generally accepted good blessings and perks for Mk3 and Mk7 Sapper shovels yet?

[quasi socket]

can make it work, but its not the meta "double dps god tier" set up some would go for

[limber egret]

so what aboutn this?

this the othe rgood perk for me to get?

and maybe replace ghost?

[quasi socket]

could go hh/da if you wanna go full damage on it

if you want ghost, keep it, but think hh would be a good choice

errr DA

sorry, mentally slow

[limber egret]

ok so i got this one now

tripple 80% but really hoping good perks and blessings

ahh dammit

seriously why the second perk range damage against poxwalkers even exist

[quasi socket]

because it makes it harder to get what you want

there fore, you continue to run the hamster wheel

[hollow ibex]

Honestly just replace the perks and it’s perfectly serviceable

You need perfect weapons

[limber egret]

i mean sprint effciency is atleast useable even tho not great

[hollow ibex]

Even for auric

[scarlet vessel]

nearly perfect, thanks melk

[hollow ibex]

I’d replace both perks just because 25 percent damage is big

[obtuse raft]

The emperor demands engagement metrics

[scarlet vessel]

so get 25% Carapace and Flak?

maniac dunno, i can mow them down in damnation still just as easily

[rancid echo]

isnt the carapace dmg on that gun complete crap? i dont remember

[limber egret]

ok atleasta replacement if really need too

[rancid echo]

low stability on vraks feels bad

[scarlet vessel]

idk, if not running plsma then gimped against mualer crushers

[limber egret]

ok not too bad atleast

not triiple 80% sadly

but close enough

now i just need to get deadly accurate and it will be fine

and replace the second perk

[rancid echo]

falter is really terrible though, ruins your followups

[limber egret]

yeah but i can replace it

[rancid echo]

yeah i'd replace that and unyielding

its not a boss killer anyways

[frank ether]

hey vet chat

is memory leak fixed yet

[limber egret]

unarmoured bad tho right?

because unyielding i dont mind it

[frank ether]

I didn't see anything about it in patch notes

[rancid echo]

pretty sure gunners have unarmoured on the head

[junior needle]

Flak/maniac on that gun. +maniac will accelerate your ttk proportionately more and likely allow you to go ammo neutral or even positive on them.

[rancid echo]

dreg gunners are unarmoured on the head

[limber egret]

well yeah but doesnt this one shot them anyways with out it?

[rancid echo]

i dont think it does

you can try in psykhaniu

[limber egret]

also dammmit

[junior needle]

Unarmored can be required on certain guns, but is generally bad for firearms.

[limber egret]

just went through 9k plasteel trying to get DA

[rancid echo]

DA?

[limber egret]

so i just got the tier 3 one from melk

deadly accurate

extra damage for weakspot hits

[junior needle]

helbore 2 for example wants +unarmored for dreg shooters

Weakspot crit hits

[limber egret]

and my veteran build is mainly weakspot

yeah but i also have surgical

tier 4 version

[junior needle]

Yop, an important distinction though

[limber egret]

ok here

im seriouslly annoyed the tripple 80% version of this gun i had gotten bad perks

but heres finally a good replacement

[junior needle]

Welcome to darktide crafting

[limber egret]

after bunring like 9k plasteel and 100k

can they just remove the garbage perks?

like poxwalker damage does not need to exist as a perk

[junior needle]

Now imagine spending 30k+ chasing a single blessing back in yonder day, when you got like 1/3 the resources at best and melk gave even shitter stuff

[limber egret]

ok from testing it

[junior needle]

Moral of the story is collective bitching works

[limber egret]

if with high damage modifier

[thorn summit]

this is in melks. I feel like the base stats arent great but look at the luck on the blessings..? should I cop this thing?

[limber egret]

this autogun one shots dreg

so i could replace unarmoured for something else(i do like having unyielding)

although im still thinking about it still

[dapper vessel]

I'd take it for the Precog or the Ruthless Backstab blessing, if you dont have Uncanny already

[rain badger]

smash or pass?

[junior needle]

infested and the blessings are pretty goofy

Nice stats though

[rain badger]

I dont sho🅱️el, so I have no idea

[sharp ember]

i messed with Take a Swing and the special attack, didnt feel any bettter

mk7 push attack is already good at murking trash without it

if i were to pick this up

i'd swap Infested and Take a Swing for other stuff

nice base stats tho

[rain badger]

hmmmm

[scarlet smelt]

fixable?

[frank ether]

I think limbsplitter is the way to go on this

[sharp ember]

you're cooking, swap reload for maniac and BtE for Ghost or something

[frank ether]

BtE to ghost/raking/infernus, based on pref

[scarlet smelt]

I don't have ghost as a transferrable blessing, this is my only copy at lv 4

[sharp ember]

finding a lesser tier Ghost at the peddler or something will be serviceable

[scarlet smelt]

is infernus any good??

istg it does fuck all

[frank ether]

Its better than nothing

but not going to be noticeable yeah

[sharp ember]

it basically only helps chip damage on bosses

[scarlet smelt]

mm

[frank ether]

you dont have to melt your old laspis

[limpid turret]

Huh, just got this as an emp's gift and I think I might keep. What would you want for knives on a Vet?

[frank ether]

I think I'd change stamina to maniac on this

what I like to do on knife is

take frag grenades

and then take the +1 bleed on hit

so mercy killer constantly procs

there is another weakspott damage blessing, I forgot its name

you can either replace riposte with that to go all in on headshot damage

[idle carbon]

executor

also can't go wrong with uncanny strike

[frank ether]

yes executor ty

yea that would also work

[idle carbon]

riposte/uncanny is one of the decent blessing combos IIRC

[frank ether]

I just personally go for weakspot combo on knife but thats me

[gilded lynx]

What are essential perks on a Agripinaa Revovler?

[frank ether]

agripina.. braced one?

[gilded lynx]

Yes

[frank ether]

Honestly Idk but I'd assume flak/maniac as usual?

I guess carapace/unyielding also not bad either

[gilded lynx]

Mine rolled 1 bad and 1 good blessing so I can only change 1 perk now (keeping the 5% crit hit chance)

[graceful glen]

ive never messed with axes but this is at sir milky

[frank ether]

crit chance isnt so bad tbh

[graceful glen]

is it good?

[frank ether]

tactical axe 🤢

I mean try it if you want

[graceful glen]

4 perfect 80s is good lol

[frank ether]

I hate them tho

[graceful glen]

i dont want to waste the coin tbh i just wasnt sure

[frank ether]

I think if you want an axe

either combat axes

or chainaxes

Maybe there is something I'm missing but tac axe just feels awful to me

[gilded lynx]

You shold probably test out another Atrox II axe before buying it from Melk to see if you like the way it handles...

[frank ether]

you can buy it to keep it around for future buffs but if you're short on melk bucks I wouldn't

[frank ether]

this tbh ^

[graceful glen]

fair enough thanks

[gilded lynx]

The Blessings might be worth it for crafting tho

[frank ether]

see the animation set in meat grinder

limbsplitter IV is very good but Idk if it applies to other axes lol

if its just for tac axes then blergh

[graceful glen]

yeah they really need to fix this system for better clarity on blessings

i have no idea what blessing i have or dont have, which weapon they work on, etc lol

[limpid turret]

flak/maniac is fine but imo 5% crit is good too. helps out crucian roulette proc a bit more, and funnily enough Deadshot will still add crit chance to the braced stance

[frank ether]

Usually same weapon families share blessings

but I just don't know what counts as a family for axes

[crude fiber]

what would yall say your win rate is in solo pub auric maelstrom?

[frank ether]

I'd assume tac axes would only include... well, tac axes.

[frank ether]

higher than my normal auric winrate suprisingly enough.

All you need to clear auric maelstorm is one good teammate

usually good players que for auric maelstorms

[limber egret]

hey by the way is ts the headhunter autogun i got the high damage one?

[graceful glen]

sheesh armory stacked today

[frank ether]

highest damage per shot is vraks 7

[limber egret]

oh ok so what is the difference for the other two?

[graceful glen]

i wonder on that chainaxe how much the pen and shredder make up for the lower dmg

[frank ether]

agripina headhunter is 2 shot burst

vraks 3 is 3 shot burst

vraks 7 is semi auto

[limber egret]

interesting

[frank ether]

vraks family are very fun guns

tho very headshot reliant

[frank ether]

they affect damage for separate attacks I believe

[hollow ibex]

Haven’t used the vraks iii much

But feels like three shot burst is kinda a waste of ammo on many targets

[serene bough]

what border is this

[limber egret]

well despite all the plasteel and melk points i had to spend i got my self a good vraks 7

even tho i has one with tripple 80% stats but had bad perks

[limpid turret]

Blind Justice, which is from the Vanguard bundle iirc

i.e. you played before nov 2023 lol

[limber egret]

oh man it definity is pretty fun

just popping heads

[frank ether]

the meta build for vraks gun uses deadly accurate which is +100% damage on critical headshots

you pair that with a second crit blessing

either surgical or headhunter depending on playstyle choice

[limber egret]

currently i have DA 3 and surgigcal 4

[frank ether]

you can also throw deadshot in there

thats good

what I like to do is

use some stamina curios

and throw in deadshot in there

[serene bough]

no thats this one

i dont have blind justice and i dont see it in the unlock options

oh wait nvm, i do have it

[umbral scaffold]

holding court is quite the privilege in the imperium

[limpid turret]

lol blind justice was also part of the pack but ye

Just rolled this hotness. What y'all think I should replace flak with?

[gusty grail]

Do Zelots have any way to quickly regen toughness just from sprinting or while away from enemies (not ulting)

(I guess toughness regen from coherency of course)

but other than that

[serene bough]

Oh I see

Thank you I didnt know there were two

[frank ether]

movement keystone should give toughness on proc

[radiant plank]

Loner aura

[gusty grail]

yeee... well I've seen multiple instances of teammate's toughness regen (or gain w/e) increase dramatically when I have "Catch a Breath" and "Born Leader"

and I'm in their coherency

[frank ether]

inexorable judgement is what? %40 toughness on proc?

[radiant plank]

If they take the left talent for it, yeah. But they need to hit something for it to proc

[limpid turret]

yeh 2-40%

[gusty grail]

yeah this is after a fight ends

[frank ether]

thats on top of all the crazy steroids you get for proccing it

[radiant plank]

Loner aura gives them 2 coherency at all times

[gusty grail]

it makes me wonder if there is some kind of minimum amount of toughness it gives, and benifits from "out for blood" as well

[frank ether]

not difficult in a horde shooter

always something to hit

and no class faster than zealot

[radiant plank]

For sure, but vicid was asking about toughness regen while away from enemies

[limpid turret]

the other charge ability will also regen 50% toughness? but besides that I don't think they have much regen outside of what's already mentioned

[frank ether]

I dont see why thats discussed in vet chat anyhow

I mean yes in that case

loner aura

[radiant plank]

🤷‍♂️

[gusty grail]

I'll get into some more matches, but I believe this is an interaction between Catch a Breath and Born Leader - and it's increasing regen WAY MORE than 15% of 5% per second

[limpid turret]

he's asking if it's something he's got specced into or if it's them lol

[gusty grail]

does loner make the effective toughness regen count as 6 in coherency vs the standard 4?

[placid portal]

Doesn't it hard cap to 4?

[radiant plank]

Description just says 'you always count as being in at least 2 coherency '

[gusty grail]

ok so probably stops at 4

[placid portal]

Only class that benefits from this, The ogryn

[gusty grail]

Here's my theory: Catch a breath is "5% per second" but it is a constant steady stream, not giving me toughness in some kind of chunk of 5% every second

So every very fast tick of toughness that's giving me is being turned into something that is more than 15% of what I'm gaining

[radiant plank]

I think thats how most over time toughness regen works, yeah

[midnight mortar]

Yes though it has a cooldown that triggers if you take any kind of damage.

[frank ether]

I'd imagine so

[gusty grail]

thats a good point, I should see what it looks like when they get shot but are still near me and we still have catch a breath going

[radiant plank]

If he's got loner he's got his own toughness regen on top of yours (also he has to be in your coherency for born leader to affect him)

[gusty grail]

yes

I can see how many are in my coherency though

so I can account for that more or less

oh man. I might take "charismatic"

yuck

[frank ether]

dont think charismatic does anything for other people's coherency buff range

[gusty grail]

right now it seems like taking shout and born leader, focus target and target down might be some kind of insane toughness generating build for the team

it doesn't, but it spreads my T heals around

[frank ether]

I'm not sure on that either but worth testing

depends a lot on how its coded

[gusty grail]

Well Born Leader says "Allies in Coherency"

[radiant plank]

Tbh zealot has a lot of toughness generation already, i don't know if they need help in that regard

[gusty grail]

What doesn't mention coherency is Target Down

but thats easy to test

[frank ether]

depends on if they coded it based on coherency or if they coded it as a separate buff that has default coherency range

someone probably did already test this

but its worth making sure

[gusty grail]

get two vets in teh same mission, see if they both regester being in coherency, one with charisma and one without

[frank ether]

they don't need any help

[gusty grail]

I think everyone benifits from free toughness

[frank ether]

All zealot needs from a vet is to shoot gunnerrs

thats it

and often not even that

[gusty grail]

yeah zelots can dodge shooters for free toughness too

[radiant plank]

There's also the question on is it more efficient to feed your team toughness vs killing the enemy faster so they don't damage your toughness in the first place

[frank ether]

you can just stunlock and murk gunner/shotgun patrols if they're closely packed together

[placid portal]

We shoot anything that's bulky and heretical

[frank ether]

you have two pops of gapcloser

only time I feel the pain is when its a big ass area

and in those cases smart to take a flank route

there often is a flank route

[gusty grail]

Here's a question to ponder: if you're using a braced autogun will you get more toughness generation from exhilarating Takedown or Out for Blood

[placid portal]

Neither

[frank ether]

neither will work well

[gusty grail]

out for blood will work well I'm sure

[placid portal]

But out for blood could get use for should generate only some toughness before emptying the mag

from shooting fodder

[frank ether]

yeah but at that point you're shooting fodder

which I can understand for a knife build

[placid portal]

Exactly which is better off using melee

[gusty grail]

Braced Auto has enough ammo to shoot fodder

[frank ether]

but on a knife build

I'm getting constant procs of CK

[gusty grail]

Like I can litterally do it all day in Damnation Aurics no issue

[radiant plank]

NGL this seems like a pretty low impact play

[crystal bolt]

alternatively, bayonet

[placid portal]

brautos feel more aligned with zealot plays

[frank ether]

there are times and builds to shoot fodder with

but its more rare than people think

[placid portal]

Shotgun Buckshot Crits is best fodder shredder

[frank ether]

brautos definitely feel zealot pilled

I know how to make them veteran pilled with a single change though

just one change

give deadshot spread reduction

[gusty grail]

you can hit snipers with brauto

really not an issue

The only melee I need to do with this thing is crushers, but one of my builds can also shoot crushers with Onslaught

[terse idol]

I guess the question becomes... is it worth it

[gusty grail]

yeah it's worth the point, so is Target Down

[terse idol]

Oh

[gusty grail]

insane toughness

[terse idol]

Isn't it just the uh, coherence aura increase

[gusty grail]

I got home and tested it Smudgles, even "Catch a breath" is pumping my team full of toughness passively

[frank ether]

[radiant plank]

Idk man, if you're in a fight catch a breath is probably not active

If you're not in a fight you don't need the toughness regen

[gusty grail]

but the other things a vet does to gain toughness is active

[celest vine]

If your in a shootout it is

8m is very close

[graceful glen]

this seems decent?

[radiant plank]

Yes but his point is to feed the zealot toughness

[celest vine]

He can get his own toughness

And ammo

[radiant plank]

Who is probably in the thick of things

[gusty grail]

zelot, ogryn, other vet, or psyker.

here's the thing, with charismatic I believe I can even give the zelot my catch a breath when he's in melee

I just gotta play some more games to see

[frank ether]

nono let me build to help out the single most self reliant class in the game

[hollow ibex]

[celest vine]

He should be running loner anyway

💀

[radiant plank]

You're gonna be really micromanaging your coherency aura with this man, your attention is better off used killing things tbh

[frank ether]

Seriously I only want one thing from veterans in my team

shoot the damn gunner

don't fold to 2 poxwalkers

[graceful glen]

you ask all this from us vets but you cant even count

[frank ether]

it comes with playing zealot

[gusty grail]

It's PASSIVE I don't have to THINK I'm killing stuff and spreading toughness even the PUGS know that the game was too easy

I know new ideas scary

[celest vine]

Veteran sharpshooter

[radiant plank]

I mean you do you, personally I think the talents can be better used elsewhere

[celest vine]

Shoot bad guy that can be highlighted

Throw grenades

[frank ether]

don't think sharpshooter has the luxury to include team support talents

anyways

[gusty grail]

why not, you get tons of your own toughness

[frank ether]

you get nowhere near the same survivability other veteran builds get

and you have the weakest melee

[gusty grail]

I just told you I can shoot everything but crushers on this

and that's what the chain sword is for

here's a very similar build I just made a guide for, but since I don't take onslaught in the thing I'm working on now I switched the melee from Reshaad to chain sword

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxSAAQNU_qU&pp=ygULdmljaWQgcGxheXM%3D

spend 95% of my time shooting

[celest vine]

“Just shoot your gun”

This is veteran’s very true but unhelpful guide to play the class

[frank ether]

%90 of vet arguments at this point is

[scarlet smelt]

If I am like 2 fucking stopping power off on a mk2 how cucked did I get

[frank ether]

irrelevant difference

[scarlet smelt]

wait fr?

[frank ether]

who cares its %2 off on a mk2

your talent choice will matter more than that

[scarlet smelt]

Wasn't there some fuckshit about mk2 needing 80 80 exact for breakpoints

Or was that all before the talent tree reworks

[frank ether]

maybe on some specific build for a specific breakpoint?

I can't tell

its the fastest firing one

mine also has like 78 something

maybe it matters if you don't run exec stance

[midnight totem]

what are good blessings for a headhunter autogun?

[frank ether]

deadly accurate + surgical or headhunter

[midnight totem]

how about opening salvo?

[frank ether]

not good

headhunter guns are all about crit headshots

and getting value out of opening salvo is more gimmicky than you might think

[midnight totem]

oof, I figured it'd proc every burst

[frank ether]

If you're gonna bother waiting to reset your burst

you might aswell wait for surgical procs and crit

or if you dont like waiting take headhunter and spam for crit strings

[frank ether]

even if it did that, its not gonna compete with the crit damage. You'll see what I mean when you roll those blessings

[midnight mortar]

Salvoes are measured based on when recoil begins to when it resets.

So you can't afford to lower your fire rate just for that.

[rigid pilot]

Opening salvo doesn't really give anything interesting afaik

[frank ether]

It would be an interesting blessing if it was tied to your shooting behavior

[rigid pilot]

Oh headhunters they reset REALLY FAST

[frank ether]

but even so

[midnight mortar]

And on top of that

[frank ether]

headhunters are just built for finesse and DA

[rigid pilot]

But at the same time it doesn't give you any interesting breakpoints so blegh

[midnight mortar]

The base damage increase via salvo blessings can't compare to crit.

[frank ether]

the damage increase you get is too good to pass and vraks 3 even got a nerf because of said build

[rigid pilot]

Yea it's really mid

Crit at least let's you kill things you couldn't in 1 shot

[frank ether]

if you throw in some rending

it also becomes a good can opener

[midnight totem]

I have two vraks 3, one with manic and flak, and deadly accurate 3 with no respite 4

[frank ether]

maniac flak is fine

deadly accurate also fine but it needs to be paired with a crit blessing so you proc it as often as you can

[midnight totem]

the other is unarmored, chaff damage, opening and salvo, this is the new one, no refinements yet

the first one is looking to be replaced

[frank ether]

The first one has 3 good things on it

[midnight totem]

but my new one is just bricked I suppose

[frank ether]

second one seems bricked

yeah unfortunately

I guess unarmored isnt the end of the world

chaff damage kinda meme tier though

you're already overkilling those so hard on vraks

besides its a waste of ammo

[midnight totem]

unarmored is okay, kill scav gunners easier

the first one also has sub 50 damage which is really painful xD

[frank ether]

that is indeed painful

you want damage/stopping above like 70 at least

[midnight totem]

whats the vrak's dump stat?

[frank ether]

I'd say mobility probably

mobility can be at like 50's

you will lose a dodge under 50 I believe

[graceful glen]

how good are the brittleness perks on vet?

[frank ether]

you mean brittle talents?

depending on gun very good

[graceful glen]

er yeah

sorry

[midnight totem]

the Emperor has answered my prayers for a good vraks at last

[frank ether]

so you have 3 branches of talents and each has some sort of rend/brittle talent

[frank ether]

good luck with hadron

[tender lynx]

is smoke grenade is like the worst option out of all 3

[graceful glen]

im just looking at exploit weakness and onslaught

[terse idol]

I MEA N

[rigid pilot]

Smoke grenade is real fun

[terse idol]

Its different!

Yeah its fun

[frank ether]

picking both doesnt make too much sense to me

[rigid pilot]

Don't let haters stop you

[graceful glen]

it just needs to block snipers

that would make it great

[midnight totem]

replacing falter and maybe unyielding with flak, and I should be good

[frank ether]

exploit weakness is nice if you have a high crit rate melee build

otherwise rather pointless

[terse idol]

Like I can definetly say just don't put it directly in front of your teams face

[frank ether]

onslaught works for guns so its good for full auto high rate of fire weapons

[rigid pilot]

You throw it on the ranged enemies, then run in

[tender lynx]

the fuc

[graceful glen]

cool thanks plush

[terse idol]

Well in front

[graceful glen]

want some head?

[terse idol]

Of ranged, imo

[graceful glen]

er wait

[rigid pilot]

If you throw it on the ranged enemies you can run in and be safe while killing all of them

[terse idol]

Well defensively I should say, if you can't run to the enemies you do want to make sure they have to run into the smoke

[frank ether]

I think considering the opportunity cost is important here

[graceful glen]

lots of tight corridors and spots smokes will do a lot, lots of open spaces where they wont do as much

[frank ether]

you give up kraks/shredders for smoke

thats a very high cost on a class that can shit out grenades every minute

[terse idol]

Yeah

[graceful glen]

agreed. the kraks are so good

[terse idol]

But!

Feeling tactical 😌

[frank ether]

tacticool

in my zone

getting lung cancer

[terse idol]

Look, the radar dish we activated

That had enough radiation to remove the cancer

[frank ether]

[bitter turtle]

is anyone else having godawful connection the past week

idk

im rubber banding in like every game

its driving me insane

[rigid pilot]

Melee shout vet is already so strong, doesn't need shredder or kraks

[frank ether]

yeah rubberbanding comes and goes for me

[hearty kernel]

i did a fair bit yesterday

[terse idol]

Shredder is pretty good all round imo

[hearty kernel]

servers are probably having to handle more and more people given its near to christmas

[frank ether]

why would I want to deny myself from shredders

they are so fun

[terse idol]

Great against hordes, decent vs maulers

[rigid pilot]

Variety

[frank ether]

also great synergy for bleed setups

[terse idol]

Truuue

[frank ether]

if you have like a bleed melee

[rigid pilot]

Like 400 levels of vet later maybe you wanna try something else

[frank ether]

I do like trying new things

but I want smokes to be more than ''le funny''

[rigid pilot]

It's like kinda really sleeper good

I thought it was meme but like

Hmmmm

[frank ether]

nah you've inhaled too much of it

you can't be trusted

[rigid pilot]

Perhaps

[frank ether]

at least chainaxe is good now though

where is that chainaxe smoke guy

[terse idol]

Well like

Gahh

[serene sage]

nah

[terse idol]

I had exactly 1 game where the vet (bless their soul) put the smoke exactly wrong

Ohhhh boy

About 5 foot in front of us while we were shooting

So they still shot but we couldn't see

[frank ether]

thats the fun part

gunners don't give a fuck if they see you or not

[terse idol]

Well only if they were already shooting yeah

[frank ether]

they have ammo and they will shoot it

[crystal bolt]

sight matters not when within bayonet range

[frank ether]

I had this idea of like

letting smoke deny flames

[serene sage]

bulwarks are unyielding yes?

[frank ether]

but now that fires dont nuke your toughness

I sleep

[frank ether]

I think? they are also elites

[terse idol]

Smoke blocking snipers will make it sooooo good

Anti thermal pls

[frank ether]

That'd be good for some situations yea

or if it led to funny enemy on enemy situations

[tidal rapids]

Between the infantry lasguns and CIAG, which one would you all prefer to take into damnation?

[serene sage]

ciag is overtuned rn

[frank ether]

this is a funny question to ask in this ciag meta

[serene sage]

so that

[frank ether]

I like how ciag works against carapace

by sheer dps and onslaught

[tidal rapids]

I'm stuck between max larping guardsmen with the lasgun or mowing everything down with CIAG

[frank ether]

I mean infant las is ok

what was the word

''it has a niche''

or so people say

and yea its good for shooting gunners with little ammo cost

Its not gonna hose things like ciag does

[rigid pilot]

Infant las

[frank ether]

babi las

I still feel like laspis punches more

maybe cause its so easy to be accurate with it

[rigid pilot]

It's nice if you play backline and take your time and shoot shooters

[frank ether]

infant las has a lot of visual recoil going for it

[rigid pilot]

But also this game likes to spawn 30 ragers behind you on a whim soooo

[frank ether]

I think thats the main problem with infant las family

[rigid pilot]

Your "backline" role is a lie

[frank ether]

yea

[rigid pilot]

Everything is frontline

[frank ether]

pretty much everthing is frontline all the time

partially why executioner feels so terrible to play

[rigid pilot]

So as a frontline weapon ilas is just kinda poo

Executioner is fine if you run ciag

That hoses anything

[frank ether]

anything is fine with ciag

its a cqc gun

[rigid pilot]

True

[frank ether]

and the game is always cqc

always something in your face

[rigid pilot]

Idk why they have "ambushes" that just spawn ragers/maulers behind you

[echo copper]

Does anyone have any experience with the Tactical Axes

And if so, what should I be aiming for.

[frank ether]

to fuck with sharpshooter vet ofc

It was op for the majority of the games lifespan so they get to suffer for eternity now

[echo copper]

I never used them, so this is news to me.

[rigid pilot]

Melee vet is just so much more rewarding to play

Than sweaty backline vet

[frank ether]

I'd say its moreso executioner vet is unrewarding

[rigid pilot]

Yea

[frank ether]

I don't feel much different playing my zealot, if anything I get even stronger

tho certain melee weapons funnily enough

feel better on vet lol

[vocal cloud]

Anyone want to help me get MESC ? 🙂

[rigid pilot]

Melee vet has really nice talents

Weapon spec has another 10% free attack speed too

[tender lynx]

4 vet with voice of command

200 extra toughness

[celest vine]

Wake up

Wake up

[tender lynx]

damn

[celest vine]

https://youtu.be/jEFyzZXzR28?si=cPXiE2wsxfTdE9FW

[tender lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-images-rabbit-rabbit-rabbit-gif-16348093924221048678

[south garnet]

sigh

[frank ether]

owie

[celest vine]

L

But 550

So w

[south garnet]

550 of SHIT maybe

[frank ether]

case in study on why rating is a meme

I got a 550 shovel like that

[celest vine]

I got one too

[frank ether]

To be fair

[celest vine]

Shitcoin gun

[south garnet]

I could've added t4 onslaught but why bother with sustained fire as secondary

[frank ether]

this would be a pretty sweet roll if it had crit chance instead of crit damage and no respite instead of infernus

[celest vine]

It would be great on a Mk3

Not the spammy mk2

[frank ether]

ok just

hear me out on this

hot take maybe but

onslaught overrated for mk2

[celest vine]

Mk2 bayonet is better than some melee weapon

[frank ether]

it shoots faster than most people can line up accurate shots

so no respite for stacking damage on stunned enemies

I think is better for mk2

[south garnet]

I'm just going to pretend surgical and sustained fire are both fine

and reload speed is a nice to have, is what I'll tell myself

[frank ether]

moment

[sharp ember]

holy moly

[celest vine]

Could be whoever got this

Not even the worst ive seen people roll

[frank ether]

300 rating shoudnt exist

[celest vine]

Tbhis one is beyond the pale

[frank ether]

fr the system is so rotten

[grave wadi]

Fresh out of the oven boiz

[celest vine]

Beyond the pale

[south garnet]

based 0% hs

[celest vine]

💀💀💀

[south garnet]

nerf sword

[frank ether]

it might aswell heal

[celest vine]

Harvest deathblow

Meme stick

No wait

Da pointy stik

[dapper vessel]

That's 1 painful shovel

[frozen meadow]

Is volatile any good on plasma since most of the time you do uncharged attacks?

When is a good time to do charged attacks with it btw?

[celest vine]

Blaze away does not work as often as you think it should

So unless its still broken, perfectly serviceable

[radiant plank]

Don't quote me on this since I don't plasma much but I saw it mentioned here that volatile affects how fast your uncharged shots go out too

[celest vine]

It used to be a broken blessing, doing literally nothing

Could be fixed now

Idk I dont use plasma

Blaze away you need to be spot on with your spam of the blessing just never triggers

[midnight totem]

my first run with my new vraks 3 with surgical

[celest vine]

Really goofy how it works

[midnight totem]

78 damage versus sub 50 from earlier is a huge difference alone, and I see the power of surgical

[celest vine]

Ill use plasma more once that scion set that was leaked gets released

Scions using a standard Lasgun will look goofy

[forest scaffold]

yes

[midnight totem]

veteran hellgun when

[sharp ember]

praying soon

tempestus scions helmet leaked

[odd island]

pics or it didnt happen

[frozen meadow]

Tempestus scion?

[midnight mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786208719200583710/1187181006244020244/Screenshot_2023-12-20_121810.jpg?ex=6595f378&is=65837e78&hm=022a6b53453dc9855c727d104dcbc01695f62e40858e7f4600a7b7f53ac61e64&

[midnight mortar]

Think of them as elite special forces.

[radiant plank]

[frozen meadow]

That's nice, wonder if it will have voice modififation

[vocal cloud]

Is doing Karnak twins the best way to get MESC right now?

[midnight mortar]

The best of the best that a standard non-transhuman can offer.

[south garnet]

so every single person is gonna be using this right

[odd island]

aye thats sweet af

hope the armor looks badass

[midnight mortar]

Highly likely it'll be popular, yeah.

[frozen meadow]

Shame I probably won't be able to afford it, nearly used all my aquilas from legendary edition used

[hollow ibex]

hmmm how is this at milk's. i think it's bricked, but i don't have this knife yet.

[midnight mortar]

Unfortunately it seems likely there won't be specific scion armor.

All we have is a helmet and a backpack.

[odd island]

Could just not be done unless its already in rotation?

[midnight mortar]

The conclusion in theorycrafting from Norris is that the armor is just going to be a recolored Cadian set.

Nah he's been mapping out the release patterns for cosmetics.

[odd island]

Whats coming this week

[midnight mortar]

If there was going to be scion specific armor, it'd've been found by now.

Savlar Chemdogs if I remember correctly.

[midnight mortar]

I wouldn't consider it the best, but it is an easy way.

[frozen meadow]

I wish cosmetics were cheaper and more affordable

[odd island]

Cuz that scion backpack has been in the files for a long time

[vocal cloud]

What's better? 🙂

[midnight mortar]

You can ask @gleaming turtle directly if you want. He's been delving into this stuff for weeks.

[midnight mortar]

I got mine by running a restart the smelter (not repair) mission and asking the squad to wait in the final hallway before the elevator for me to empty all of rounds there. Easy because it's just poxwalkers that spawn at that point.

And a nice long sightline.

[vocal cloud]

Good idea. Might try that next.

[wraith locust]

which chainaxe mk is better

[forest scaffold]

you and everyone else

but uh

you can buy the 4 rogue trader cosmetics for 40usd

50usd*

or the actual rogue trader game for 50usd

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frozen meadow]

Big yikes

[quasi socket]

bruh, brunt is HILARIOUS

[frozen meadow]

I want to play rogue trader but going to wait until fixed

[quasi socket]

cheesed mine in new boss fight on heresy, stupid easy

just make a group in lfg for it

[civic knot]

Which is better for PS6: slaughterer or sunder?

[opal root]

slaughterer i guess but both are bad

[civic knot]

[civic knot]

?

wym? slaughterer is amazing

[opal root]

you pc and bm

[midnight mortar]

PC and BM are better.

[opal root]

its worse than bm

[civic knot]

tf is bm

[opal root]

and pc is mandatory

[midnight mortar]

Brutal Momentum.

And Power Cycler.

[tall torrent]

@finite imp I might have a peak knife build for vet cooking up

[terse idol]

WHERE IS IT

[midnight mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1187176697431339088/image.png?ex=6595ef75&is=65837a75&hm=44e1ca5f29edf5871f002b5b3e7562689755d4fb5f57a19c3c0f08d97821bf8d&

Not in the game yet.

[fallen sinew]

HOW

Oh nvm

[midnight mortar]

So far there's a scion backpack and helmet in the files.

Doesn't look like there will be armor though.

[tall torrent]

The avg free thinking veteran players when fatshark drops the tempestus scion wargear:

[fallen sinew]

I want it now

:c

[obsidian umbra]

when going to get the ammo aura do you guys prefer getting catch a breath or get back in the fight?

[midnight mortar]

Get back in the fight.

[tall torrent]

Catch a breath keeps your stamina up in longer-range firefights vs gunners
GBITF is useful for the occasions where you’re really screwed

I prefer CaB but u can take either

[midnight mortar]

I rarely run into situations where I think "Man I really need CaB".

But if shit hits the fan due to circumstances I couldn't control, then GBITF always helps me salvage them.

[tall torrent]

I leave my team to grab as much plasteel they didn’t bother collecting

So different application

[finite imp]

Let's see it

[tall torrent]

mk3 or mk6 knife
Uncanny strike
Mercy killer

Kantrael mk9 shotgun
Scattershot
Flechette

You’ll almost exclusively be using fire shots

Fire + bleed will kill most horde enemies very easily

You still have survivalist to help ur team

U have both nade regen talents + tinkered frags to wipe rooms

U have serrated blade to enable mercy killer

[finite imp]

No trench drills huh

[tall torrent]

U can kill all armored targets & elites fairly easily

[tall torrent]

I’ve realized
Not going into bottom right
Gives u so much versatility in what u can build

[finite imp]

Right it's kind of a pit

But if your goal is to specialize knife

[serene sage]

french tighter drill should be higher to get

[tall torrent]

And the 10% atk speed difference is not the biggest deal since most of what you’ll be doing is push atk + heavy

[serene sage]

so vets can be more OP

👍

[finite imp]

Cannot tell if sarcasm lol

[fallen sinew]

Vet class best class

[tall torrent]

Frag + kantrael shotgun should be more than enough to deal with hordes (even mixed hordes)

[frank ether]

new knife or old?

[finite imp]

Either

Both knives are good

I personally like the new knife

[tall torrent]

Either

[finite imp]

The heavy 1 is devastating to horders

Horde

[tall torrent]

I think they’re similar enough that it doesn’t really matter

[frank ether]

I have a weakspot build thats okay but not very impressive

I'd like to see what you're cooking up

[finite imp]

Another knife ca5

Cat

[tall torrent]

This build can 1-2 tap ragers with knife

[frank ether]

cause knife is one of those weapons that looks great on meat grinder

but dont find it very impressive in live games

I'm fast and I don't do a whole lot

[tall torrent]

One kantrael fire shot can kill every bruiser, poxwalker & groaner in a cone

[finite imp]

It takes a bit of practice

[frank ether]

it certainly does

I'm sensing I may have skill issues with it

[finite imp]

I only use skill issue weapons lol

Revolver and knife desperado build

All gas no brakes

[frank ether]

I use it with ciag or braced on veteran

[finite imp]

But if you fuck up your combos you are FUCKED

[frank ether]

so I can make up for cleave if it comes to me

[tall torrent]

I think if you’re gonna go for knife vet

[finite imp]

If you can't juke ragers you are FUCKED

[tall torrent]

You have to build horde clear gun + nades

To cover that weakness

[frank ether]

thats how I like it yes

cleave is unacceptable on knife

[finite imp]

NUH UH

Well

[tall torrent]

But once u have the horde clear aspect covered

Knife does anti-elite really really well

[finite imp]

TBf oh revolver has so much pierce

Of

Og

It can cut a horde down pretty good if you're a wa

Ws

[frank ether]

what kinda build do you run with

[finite imp]

I'm a weapons specialist

KRAK nades

[frank ether]

I just copied telopots build for knife with some alterations

[finite imp]

Revolver

Either knife

Voice

[frank ether]

I didnt even take any attack speed on knife btw

its already so fast for me that it felt redundant

[finite imp]

KRAK nades have saved me so many times

Demo stockpile

[frank ether]

also it pains me

[finite imp]

Type vibe

[frank ether]

that I have to make a detour to grab +1 bleed

[fallen sinew]

Best grenade tbh

[frank ether]

so the bleed blessing works

[fallen sinew]

A good chunk of krak’s can take down the small bosses

[finite imp]

It's not. If you proc your weapon specialist and then also have trench fighter you can become a whirlwind of steel

[frank ether]

Or

I can take another weapon

[finite imp]

Pop a speed stim

[frank ether]

and not break my mouse

[finite imp]

Yeah if you wanna be a BIG PUSSY AND A BIG DUMB NOOB LOSER WHO DOESNT HAVE ARTHRITIS GO AHEAD

[frank ether]

and my finger

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-angry-cubicle-office-fuck-everything-gif-5246517

[tall torrent]

One thing I think u can change is

Swap the beginner branch from
COD -> CK -> 1 stamina
To
VG -> O4B -> 5% move speed

[frank ether]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1186367232482226276/caption.gif?ex=6592fd95&is=65808895&hm=3d76ed837754b97c4c39992d78add8a310727a77516548ff0dd9f73434273e93&

[tall torrent]

Cuz fire + bleed from the shotgun is going to get u some funny kills that trigger O4B for u

And tinkered frags is basically full toughness regen when dropped on a horde

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-laptop-mad-push-throw-gif-21934538

Mfw someone asks about my knife build

[frank ether]

I mean sure I'd like to see your knife builds

but doesnt mean I won't nitpick about em

[finite imp]

Nah everyone does

Something you gotta realize

Is the best build is the one you tune yourself based on your comfortable fighting habits

[tall torrent]

Yea

[frank ether]

duh

[finite imp]

After each round you should be thinking HMMM what did I struggle with

[frank ether]

I just skip keystone on the british roleplay build

[finite imp]

YOU SAY THAT AND THEN MFS COME IN HERE COPYING EACH OTHERS HONEWORK AND SAYING THEIR BUILD SUCKS

[tall torrent]

I base my builds solely on my own desired applications

[finite imp]

And it's like cuz dude

You don't have the same habits

I literally got called useless for giving that advice before

And I said hey fuck you

[frank ether]

feel like I need to watch some more knife gameplay

from competent people

[tall torrent]

U can try the build I sent tho

[finite imp]

I would party up but I just hit the fuckin hay

[frank ether]

I'm doing ok but I can tell I'm being lackluster in performance compared to my other builds

[frank ether]

mine is similar except I take desperado path instead of %15 elite damage

[dark sorrel]

Any important breakpoints on the DMR Headhunter autogun?

[finite imp]

I once ask my babushka
Babushka why is knife best vet weapon
And she says
Who are you get out of my attic

And I said

[tall torrent]

That’s fair, I just like easy access to -stamina regen delay

[finite imp]

Everyday I wake up and I heavy 1 to work

[tall torrent]

Both gunner 1 tap head

[finite imp]

That is a nice gun

[tall torrent]

Preferably both flamer 1 tap head with crit

And 1 tap trapper head (crit)

[frank ether]

does that matter that much on knife though? not like you're running deadshot

hmm

maybe

do you run any stam curios

[sudden dome]

the CIAG feels like a magic wand that shoots death at anything I point it at

[tall torrent]

I think having 1s stamina regen feels bad especially given you’ll be doing the push atk into heavy combo quite a lot

I’d have gone for both stamina regen reduction talents if I could

[frank ether]

fair

I have been spamming the special attack + follow up heavy combo instead

the funny punch

[tall torrent]

What does punch even do

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-memes-memes2022funny-meme-face-punch-gif-25436787

[frank ether]

not much besides stargger I think but its follow-up attack is a heavy one

[finite imp]

This

[tall torrent]

I mean

[frank ether]

does a tiny bit of damage but an irrelevant amount

[finite imp]

It's follow up is a heavy stab

[tall torrent]

For mk3 knife the 2 heavy attacks have the same dmg?

Or maybe I’m wrong on that

[lost lake]

Now I cannot image darktide WWE

Here comes the Harlot with a STEEL CHAIR

[tall torrent]

So it’s just a combo reset?

The punch doesn’t even stagger most enemies?

Does it make follow up attacks stagger more or smth?

[frank ether]

yeah its mainly to spam heavy3 in quick succession

or thats my understanding

keep in mind I'm using the new knife

its first heavy in the chain is a cleave attack

and second one is a reverse angle attack that doesn't always hit what I want

[tall torrent]

Oh u mean mk6

I’m using mk3

[frank ether]

mk3 is well.. tad different

I'd say its probably the better knife but I enjoy mk6 more

I think the heavy chain should lean more into cleave attacks

since you can always use special combo to access heavy 3

[finite imp]

Both knives are good

[frank ether]

preference I suppose

what blessings do you go for that you think works well?

[finite imp]

For knife?

Depends

[frank ether]

knife has... a lot that all seem promising

[tall torrent]

Mercy killer + uncanny strike

[finite imp]

You running serrated

[tall torrent]

Cuz I run serrated

[finite imp]

If so listen to numbers cat

[tall torrent]

Lacerate is not bad

[frank ether]

I like mercy killer + executor on mine with serrated

[tall torrent]

Haymaker is not bad

Executor is not bad

[frank ether]

the only problem with executor path is well

its kinda all or nothing

[tall torrent]

I think haymaker is prob funny with mk6 knife since it’s a cleave H1

[frank ether]

question

do backstabs count as weakspot

[finite imp]

Oh brother

[frank ether]

for the purpose of these blessings

probably not right

[tall torrent]

no

[finite imp]

Back stabs have a native 25 percent flat damage bonus my dude

[frank ether]

yeah as I thought

[tall torrent]

But u can backstab weakpoint

[frank ether]

so that backs my opinion here that

its high risk high reward

going for the weakspot route

[finite imp]

Stab them in the cerebral cortex

[frank ether]

also I think my vet is short

I need to jump to stab ogryn necks lmao

[finite imp]

Replace their childhood memories with cold steel

I call this the mobile lobotomy

[frank ether]

maybe I'm having trouble with oggies

since they dont have much of a brain to begin with

[finite imp]

You gotta stir the knife around

Find it

[frank ether]

nah I'm pretty sure

its just some rocks bouncing around in there

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/mixing-potion-horus-scrum-the-barbarian-and-the-troll-making-potion-stirring-gif-21626878

Me looking for your brain stem so I can trim it like a hedge

[patent swift]

This is what i've been running and it feels very nice

[grave wadi]

Does Demo team give others grenades on proc or just you

I remember it giving others grenades also but that was the old days...

[rigid pilot]

Only yourself

They changed it

[tall torrent]

Only yourself now

[grave wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-rest-in-peace-rip-bozo-pour-one-out-homie-gif-22783396

RIP

[tall torrent]

Still extremely good due to frags being very strong

[rigid pilot]

Imagine unlimited ogryn nukes tho

[tall torrent]

Tbh
2 tinkered frags ≈ 1 Ogryn nuke

In effectiveness I mean

[rigid pilot]

Debatable but sure

If it were me I would still let it proc on teammates, but maybe nuke needs it to proc 4 times before you get 1 back

[frank ether]

thats debatable

nukes are rly strong

[tall torrent]

Nukes wipe stuff instantly

2 tinkered frags wipe stuff slower but will still kill most enemies

[frank ether]

tinkered frags are good enough yeah

[arctic marten]

odd question, with the redacted penance....are they still completable.

[grave wadi]

Yes

but it has requirements

[arctic marten]

oh thank god

what

other than the requirements itself, whats new

[tall torrent]

As long as u complete the challenges u can get the rewards

[arctic marten]

just wanted to make sure, still want to hit that 5kills with no bounce

[tall torrent]

I think every single penance is working rn? Some are just much harder than others

[tall torrent]

That one is easy

Mark enemies that are roughly 40m away

Throw frag above their head

[arctic marten]

[tall torrent]

Can use tinkered fragrance but not needed

[arctic marten]

ill just keep yeet'ing my krak grenades during missions

ill get it...just wanted to make sure it was still possible

[tall torrent]

Krak doesn’t count for that penance

Has to be frag grenades

[arctic marten]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[tall torrent]

Not a big deal

Frags are more versatile

[arctic marten]

true, found krak to be more my style of brute force trauma directed to forehead of enemy

[tall torrent]

Krak is just for crushers, bulwarks & bosses

[arctic marten]

I find it easier to use

[tall torrent]

It has magnetism to carapace and bulwark shield so yea

[forest scaffold]

and flak

and unyielding

[inland orchid]

it sticks to those but dont magnetise

cara magnetise

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t track bosses I think

It just tracks carapace & bulwark shield

[forest scaffold]

ah true

Forgor there was a slight difference in mechanics there

[tall torrent]

[forest scaffold]

i just chuck em at groups of enemies

[inland orchid]

ya mad weird but is a game changer when tryna get funny multi kills

[forest scaffold]

and watch the group get turned into paste

the big balls play is to run AT the enemies after chucking the nade

so they don't move and instead group up around the naded enemy

for the multi-kill

[inland orchid]

that is a solid way to ensure they're all still grouped up

[spice gate]

Silly question. You guys even use a skill or weapon that doesn’t work well with your build/ is mediocre/ etc just because you like it / It’s what you’re good with?

[tiny summit]

I'll bring my bolter on any zealot build sometimes just to use it

[midnight totem]

I see the heresy/damnation issue is just the same as the champion/legendary thing in Vermintide

[spice gate]

Just as the Emperor intended

[tall torrent]

A weapon you understand well pretty much always outperforms something that’s statistically better but unfamiliar to u

[spice gate]

I agree!

[bronze trout]

What role does the knife serve for the vet? It's fun but it doesnt seem great for anything

[analog blaze]

I'll do that to just mix things up

[analog blaze]

Knife is versatile and fast with amazing dodge. With the right blessings it's good into hordes and elites. It's very good into carapace imo

[spice gate]

Variety is the spice of life after all!

[analog blaze]

And at a certain point you get enough game sense and skill that most things are usable. As much as we talk about balance I'm thankful that almost any weapon can be used on damnation to at least alright results.

[spice gate]

It’s truly good Fatshark did that. Makes me happy.
Especially now that chainaxes have been buffed

[bronze trout]

What blessings do you reccomend for anti elite / armor