veteran-class

[terse idol]

Giving like

5 toughness

3 toughness

Its not great

Heck Bullgryns

Will just restore half of their toughness with one or two heavy swings

[torn needle]

WE'RE INNNN

[normal pawn]

Now roll powercycler any% challenge

[torn needle]

Already havve it

[quasi socket]

plasma tapping - is it doing a half charge for anyone else? like is it normal? watching clips, doesnt feel like im seeing other people doing a 1/2 charge when tap firing

[torn needle]

If I do then it's even better

[hollow ibex]

Gonna feel that mobility

[frozen meadow]

Is brittleness even needed, I feel like I kill stuff with power sword basically instantly without it

[terse idol]

Hmm?
I haven't heard that term
Unless people are talking about left click shooting a pgun

[normal pawn]

... also-

It doesn't specify the % of brittleness 💀

[quasi socket]

yeah thats what i mean

[normal pawn]

(its probbly 5%)

[gusty grail]

Competitive Urge = 2.5% chance for an 8 second buff. Average game 2000 kills, let's say your team kills 1500 (which means you are bad if it's a pug game) that means 2.5% of 1500 is 37.5 activations - if spaced out ideally that's a total of 5 minutes of the buff being on you for a 30 minute game = NOT WORTH THE SKILL POINT

[charred scarab]

this is normal

[quasi socket]

thanks

[terse idol]

Oh yeah that is how fs fixed the left click glitch because appearently left clicking is considered a charge?

[charred scarab]

yeah, it was always a charge

[quasi socket]

lame, but understandable.

[bitter turtle]

Probably not a good way to analyze it

[gusty grail]

Did the hotfix nerf plasma?

[charred scarab]

no

[bitter turtle]

Intensity is not flat through a game

[quasi socket]

hotfix did nothing for plasma

[gusty grail]

Feel free to correct my error

[bitter turtle]

The best way to analyze it Probably is to see how long it takes on avg to proc in high stress situations

[merry glade]

with infiltrate, getting -90% threat and +50% toughness dr seems a bit redundant. should i pass up on one to free up a point?

[gusty grail]

You should switch to shout

[merry glade]

nah

[cerulean void]

It's one or the other, really

[south garnet]

Based shameless infil gamer

[bitter turtle]

That being said I never take competitive myself

[cerulean void]

you either take tanking with toughness, or tossing aggro to your team

[bitter turtle]

The other two talents in that row are way better

[merry glade]

that's what i figured. though now i'm wondering where i should put my bonus point

i think i'm going to roll with threat reduc since it's been useful in doing objectives/getting revives

we'll see how it feeeels

[south garnet]

Yea -threat is more useful on infil

[merry glade]

here's the bottom of my tree -- any reccs with 1 point to spend

[south garnet]

Ogryn/monstro

[merry glade]

running axe + deadshot revolver

....as in precision... not high noon

alrighty i was feeling that, too. ty

[bitter turtle]

Exploit seems meh to me

[rancid echo]

damn that's a greedy bottom part of the tree, what are you missing up top

[south garnet]

Just start halfway through the tree, problem solved

[bitter turtle]

I'd drop it for monstro

[merry glade]

that's what im doin

plus the bottom

[rancid echo]

no infiltrate damage bonus is pretty oof

[serene sage]

Drop charisma

[gusty grail]

People actually take rizmatic?

[raw steppe]

You can cut the bottom and right nodes past the 6s cdr on kill in mid tree

[serene sage]

And you have 2 more points instead of 1

[raw steppe]

So you can take 30% weakspot

On left tree

Thats about 15-20% dmg on revolvers

[merry glade]

it synergizes well with close order drill, no?

[south garnet]

Charisma only has any real benefit with shout because it buffs shout radius

[bitter turtle]

It's just not worth 1 pt

[raw steppe]

Since they have good weakspot and crit

[bitter turtle]

In any case if you drop charisma qnd exploit weakness you have 2 more to work with

[south garnet]

Which is also the only way to make rez subnode even remotely worth taking and still arguably not even then imo, outside auric mael where you expect team to be dropping like flies every 10 seconds

[merry glade]

i'll try it w/o charis. and drop exploit since it does good work against crushers/bosses anyway (it seems)

though i'll admit im skeptical dropping the rizz. only one way to seeee

[gusty grail]

But you are using revolver

Why are you melee crusher

[south garnet]

Yep, never hurts to give a build a swing before tailoring it firther

[merry glade]

i use both weaps

so droppin those two to pick up +weak point dmg. off to a game, thanks all

[terse idol]

Getting both isn't bad
Because if you're the only target in range you'll be targeted

@merry glade

[gusty grail]

I though stealth vets just run in that situation

They sure can't shout to knock em down

[terse idol]

I mean there are times I found that you want to rush up to a group of gunners, or you stealth while fighting ragers and you're still close enough that they'll only target you

I use stealth offensively

😌

[merry glade]

i'll run it without toughness dr and see how it plays. i'll tweak to fit it back in if i find myself getting shredded after popping out

[terse idol]

And to drop massive hordes ontop of the psyker

[merry glade]

damn bruh, we get it, you suck at stealth vet 😭

[gusty grail]

"I'll run it without toughness DR" ok

[terse idol]

[bitter turtle]

Toughness Dr is definitely weird with aggro drop

I wouldn't do it

You have way better things to pick up than "only good when you're the last one left"

[merry glade]

yeh, it's nice, but if it can free up a point to nab something nice, why not

[bitter turtle]

Also born leader is really bad

[merry glade]

and you get the thoughness dr from the refilling of uh... thing anyway

[bitter turtle]

I'd take the dmg buff as meh as it is

[terse idol]

Born leader
But its 15% of base 100 toughness
And its only what toughness you gain

https://tenor.com/view/giygas-cat-melon-cat-psychotic-gif-25770926

[gusty grail]

They did patch it to give toughness based on toughness you could have gained

[terse idol]

get 20 toughness from glory hunter
15% of 20
3

[bitter turtle]

Ya but its still bad

[south garnet]

born leader more like snor'n sleeper if you're not awake enough to realize how bad spending a point on it would be! LMAO!

[terse idol]

I mean my first build was a born leader build

[junior needle]

It's gives a tiny bit more regen collectively

[terse idol]

And then I moved on and realized

:o

[junior needle]

in practice

It sounds better than it is

[torn needle]

Well it is what it is, still has decent perks

[gusty grail]

If you wanted to lean into Born Leader you could take all the toughness skills and do work with it

[wanton dawn]

The first time i read born leader i thought: "wait, if it works as written it is crap". That was on p13

[rancid echo]

almost identical to mine except i've got the lv 4 versions of the two blessings

[gusty grail]

One plasma gun or revolver and E Takedown

[terse idol]

Wow you got

[junior needle]

"do work" is a bit generous of a description

[terse idol]

You gave 5 toughness

In the best case

25% toughness gain on elite kill

15% of 25

[south garnet]

If my team is so incapable of maintaining their respective toughness through their own perks and blessings then born leader is going to make no difference in maintaining it for them whatsoever, regardless of what white room pontificating we're doing

[terse idol]

Etc

[serene sage]

ironical for a talent to be called BORN Leader and still need all the help it can get to be mediocre

[terse idol]

Its really bad

[wanton dawn]

Arguably even at 50% it would still be bad

[rancid echo]

thats better than mine now lol

[serene sage]

there is nothing born nor lead about the talent

[terse idol]

And even if you did give your toughness over time
That's 1 toughness over a few seconds

[wanton dawn]

Born trash

[gusty grail]

You can kill 8 shotgunners or whatever in one shotq

[terse idol]

It also seems like DT works on decimal points

[peak pond]

what to refine?

[rancid echo]

semi bricked, punishing is bad

[junior needle]

You can't theorycraft general usefulness on very specific best case scenarios

[rancid echo]

prob replace punishing and groan/pox

[serene sage]

it's fine, just swap salvo for dum dum and groaner to flak

[junior needle]

People do it in path of exile all the time and it's very annoying

[serene sage]

and it's like pretty good

[wanton dawn]

Too late, tested ps on 30 ragers

[torn needle]

Not really better than my current one sadly

[serene sage]

my god the yesterday debate between Azreal and him when both were using highly unlikely scenarios to make a "point"

stacking bruisers and just solo random 12 crushers

[midnight mortar]

Opposite ends of the specificity spectrum.

[gusty grail]

How much toughness (including unused toughness because you are already at max) does a good vet build generate?

[rancid echo]

power sword is such a painful weapon to roll

[junior needle]

About tree fitty

[south garnet]

the objective usefulness of a class is determined by their ability to kill 400 crushers in 2 seconds, devoid of context or larger utility

[wanton dawn]

Wait until you try to make a rashad

[gusty grail]

Don't @ me if you aren't going to take it seriously

[wraith locust]

what was the debate just curious

[gusty grail]

The answer is a lot

[rancid echo]

why? is it super breakpoint dependent? thought that was just a spam weapon

[serene sage]

whether or not Ogryn is the worst class in the game and if Zealot is the best.
eventually devolve to who can kill bruisers and crushers faster

[wanton dawn]

To OS scab bruiser yeah

[midnight mortar]

Well, I think the point was more that no matter the situation talents like confirmed kill are already going to net you more toughness than born leader simply due to the math involed.

[gusty grail]

A good vet make a LOT of toughness. What's 15% of that times 3 (for your 3 team mates) a lot

[serene sage]

you are assuming that they are not at full which often they are because your team stays at 100% toughness most of the time, even the blueberries

[midnight mortar]

It's not so much about raw toughness numbers in the end as it is about its application, consistency, and impact.

[south garnet]

The difference with Azrael for me is he's jovial and chummy to the point that even when I disagree with him he's completely inoffensive in his views and suppositions

[hearty kernel]

honestly? if a Ogryn isn't on my team im like "we're gunna have a hard time" i just notice i usually have alot better of a time with Ogryns in my lobby opposed

[junior needle]

What constitutes a "good" vet build is highly subjective and dependent on the loadout. The vast majority of people will take take confirmed kill or exhil takedown purposefully, with anything beyond that is coincidental.

[gusty grail]

Do you generate toughness when your team has taken damage? Yes

[terse idol]

TO BE FAIR

[grand lark]

Ogryn is particularly nice to have in PUGs IMO

Probably why

[terse idol]

Cleaving the bruisers

You do cleave like 3 at a time

[wanton dawn]

Are we arguing that born leader is good ?

Cuz it is not

[serene sage]

people don't just hover around 70%-80% toughness for you to "heal" them, they are either at 100% or 0% most of the times, and when they are at 0%, you have a short window to make use of born leader. good luck fidning 8 shotgunners lining up just for that moment

[midnight mortar]

Vicid is attempting to.

[terse idol]

Rashad is close enough to a breakpoint that if you dont meet it, it's the difference of cleaving 1 bruiser

Or 4

That's azreals logic

[rancid echo]

if I see ogryns in my team in quickplay, i know the game is going to be rough. average quickplay ogryn is the dumbest player alive

[gusty grail]

Lol they need more toughness curios and TDR then

[terse idol]

Honestly if born leader could give over-toughness

[hearty kernel]

sounds like a Ogryn

[terse idol]

That would be better

[south garnet]

.

[gusty grail]

It can when you have shouted

[terse idol]

But yeah I mean fucking crushers and maulers will delete your toughness

[wanton dawn]

Good born leader already exist: it is called target down

[serene sage]

or maybe you should just skip Born Leader because they amount you give isn't that high
and even if it's high, your teammates don't even get it if they are at full (which they often are)

[terse idol]

Getting shot by 20 gunners

[junior needle]

This is also a big thing as to why it's not very effective, in times of need it's giving a tiny trickle assuming that you are regenerating and others aren't.

[terse idol]

And healing 15 toughness aint gonna be enough

And thats the best case

[terse idol]

Yes but then

[midnight mortar]

No amount of those will prevent the guaranteed toughness chunking a mauler or crusher overhead will do.

[gusty grail]

Lol that's silly, the worse they are at maintaining their toughness the better it becomes

[terse idol]

Don't need born leader

VOC beats born leader so hard

Because you also reset the cooldown

On elite kills

So instead of 5 toughness for a gunner kill

Kill 5-6 gunners

Give everyone 50

And a large stagger

And a damage buff if you run that talent

[junior needle]

Mhm, VOC also renders it unnecessary

[grand lark]

No the argument is that Born Leader is basically a bandaid on the inherent problem you will face of having a team that is so bad at managing toughness they benefit from you dripfeeding them baby levels of toughness

[south garnet]

You're approaching every value judgement as a white room scenario with steady-state mathematical analysis and the game just flat-out does not work that way

[hearty kernel]

Is wrath and slaughterer ok for a power sword? got those perks on mine currently

[wanton dawn]

Implying the math is correct

[wraith locust]

thats hilarious haha ty

[cerulean void]

I feel like Born Leader just needs to be buffed

[south garnet]

There's that too

[rancid echo]

what do you take in the tier then? for the emperor?

[wanton dawn]

Yes

[grand lark]

Energized is kind of required as a blessing.

[grand lark]

Most of the time yes

[gusty grail]

My friend what skill are you talking about?

[hearty kernel]

hmm right yeah..

[grand lark]

[gusty grail]

Tell me

[junior needle]

Tactical awareness

[grand lark]

Middle tree bottom

Forget name

[serene sage]

You hate born leader because it's ineffective
I hate born leader because I am not a communist and don't believe in free handouts
Give a man toughness and he will be safe for one second
Teach a man to get his own damn toughness and he will be a better teammate

[grand lark]

But 6s CDR on elite kill

[gusty grail]

Read it again

[south garnet]

there were some pretty incredible assertions dropped in that conversation that I'd literally never heard even as a joke previously which was neat

[rancid echo]

yeah it's not elites

[junior needle]

Close enough

[grand lark]

I'm pretty sure it's already been proven that for most talents Specialist and Elite is interchangable unlike damage blessings

[gusty grail]

Please don't hit me over the head with ignorance

[serene sage]

well elite or specialists, his argument still stands.

[rancid echo]

i mean..gunners dont count and that makes a huge diff

[serene sage]

don't we have a share of 50/50 elite/specs in HISTG games?

I mean the targets are about the same numberwise

[gusty grail]

Wow lots of specialists in the lots of specialists mode

[terse idol]

Sorry not elites

Woops

But!

[serene sage]

why are you being sarcastic when it helps my points?

[terse idol]

Still it just still beats born leaders

I also confuse elites and specs

I mean hold on VOC also fills your toughness

So I mean you can fill up over 100

For yourself

While born leader gives only 15% to your team

[gusty grail]

I don't think it does, since shout also increases the amount of toughness you give with shout

[terse idol]

If uh, okay the theory becomes you only run born leader

Nayurally VOC will beat a talent

Its an ult

The toughness share just suuucks

[gusty grail]

They work together

[rancid echo]

VOC works with born leader very well though

[terse idol]

So its

What 15% of 50?

[rancid echo]

not if you're at 0

[terse idol]

You gave

8

Extra with born leader

So you've spent a talent point

To give your team

[rancid echo]

if you completely refilled with VOC you'd give a lot more to teammates

[terse idol]

58 toughness

[rancid echo]

multiplied by 3

[terse idol]

Born leader works off base toughness

Of 100

Okay so

[junior needle]

Just tested tactical awareness, doesn't work on elites as the description states. For once the tooltip is correct.

[terse idol]

Math pls

I'm dying

[grand lark]

Crazy

[rancid echo]

so you'd be giving 65 x 3 if that's the case

[terse idol]

Still 6s off for elites is pretty good

[serene sage]

People were doubting thag?

[south garnet]

I don't believe it, something must be wrong here

[terse idol]

Well wait

[gusty grail]

What are you talking about

[terse idol]

Its toughness you share... you share 50 toughness with your tram in a burst

[terse idol]

Off spec

Oh my looord

[grand lark]

Well yeah I mean it's still not really a massive meaningful difference IMO

Lol

[terse idol]

So wait yeah you gained

50 toughness part of VOC is it refills your toughness

[junior needle]

Ye olde confirmed kill used to state it only worked on one but worked on both before, it was a common goof with fatshark descriptions

[terse idol]

I don't know if that is considered toughness you gained you just gain toughness + 50

[grand lark]

If you're running VOC I don't know why you would not run For the Emperor

[terse idol]

You share 50 toughness and born leader gives 8

[grand lark]

Damage buff + toughness for allies

[terse idol]

Because of 15% of 50

[gusty grail]

I go from 0 to +50 when I shout

[terse idol]

Yeah

So even with born leader

You share 8 extra

58 toughness

https://tenor.com/view/giygas-cat-melon-cat-psychotic-gif-25770926

[rancid echo]

do you not share the toughness you replenish from 0 to 100?

[gusty grail]

With you shout you can go from 0 to full

[rancid echo]

15% of that would be 15 + 50 fixed from the other node

[gusty grail]

Then with the extra node you additionally give 50

Both of which are buffed from born leader

[rancid echo]

and that's going off what you said about VOC only working on base 100 toughness

or w/e

[grand lark]

73 as opposed to 50 toughness

whoa...

[junior needle]

You get 50 overtoughness from duty and honor, but I doubt that counts as replenishing personally

[merry glade]

are we talking about how ambigious the toughness share is

[gusty grail]

Doubt? It's a toughness heal

[grand lark]

This is a really silly argument

[terse idol]

I doubt that the extra toughness you regen

[grand lark]

No it's overtoughness lol

[terse idol]

Is considered as a toughness gained...

I don't how it works

[sharp ember]

you know what isn’t ambiguous to use? Covering Fire

[stiff pasture]

I got a revolver with surgical and another blessing I replaced with hand cannon

[terse idol]

Because VOC iirc gives you

[serene sage]

I think the math they are trying to get at is 150x0.15x3 = 67.5 toughness regen total for your team

[gusty grail]

This should be pinned

[terse idol]

Your toughness back + 50

[junior needle]

The ability itself replenishes toughness, but overtoughness is like temp hp and isn't actual toughness. It could work like that but in the absence of evidence I'm inclined to think it doesn't.

[south garnet]

no we're talking about how born leader is actually a great talent that people just don't realize is so good that nobody takes it

[serene sage]

It's not nothing but it's so specific

[stiff pasture]

The perks are level 3 flak damage and another thing I changed to crit chance

[merry glade]

if i'm going down there i take it since the other options are normally lackluster tbh

[grand lark]

Best case scenario it is like 73 vs 50 toughness

[terse idol]

For 17 extra toughness I mean

That's not good

[rancid echo]

my assumption is that on every VOC with born leader you're giving 50 fixed + 15% of 100 to your teammates if you're replenishing from 0

[grand lark]

It's not worth a talent point when you can take for the emperor right next to it

[merry glade]

though i'll be $100 with you chief, i aint got no clue what counts as toughness regen for that talent.

[south garnet]

I wouldn't personally but YMMV

[terse idol]

I could he wrong but the difference between 17 and +0 extra toughness from a talent giving you 50 toughness

Is small

[rancid echo]

but the fact is that born leader just works off of any toughness regeneration

so you're just a battery

[terse idol]

Toughness regen

[junior needle]

Fun fact: "Base damage" is just damage

[merry glade]

if scoreboard had a thing to show how much toughness you gave to your team, that'd be a great way to measure its efficacy

[sharp ember]

does Born Leader seriously not scale up with your max toughness

[terse idol]

I mean not passive toughness regen

[terse idol]

Yes

[serene sage]

if only, eh

[terse idol]

Its base toughness of 100

[gusty grail]

So when you have 5 stacks of toughness regen from killing elites you are feeding your team

[grand lark]

I want this so bad yeah

[rancid echo]

i assumed it would, i dunno why Smudgels says its based on 100

[grand lark]

15% of like... 25%, 20%

[terse idol]

Because that's the info I got before

[gusty grail]

Times the number of elites

[terse idol]

Its not based off your max toughness

You cannot run 3 toughness curios

[serene sage]

0.15 of 45 is 6.75

[terse idol]

Then born leader and give massive toughness back

[serene sage]

that's erm not big

[junior needle]

Each proc of confirmed kill will give 4.5 toughness (over a 10 second period) if what was said about it only using your base toughness is correct.

[sharp ember]

that would make it even less appealing if true

[grand lark]

I meant I was forgetting if it was 20 or 25%

[gusty grail]

How many elites does a good vet kill in a match again? 100+?

[grand lark]

Not both

[junior needle]

Confirmed kill is 10% and then 20% regen over 10s now

[merry glade]

you don't pay for my aquilas

[grand lark]

4 toughness over 10s to allies

Whoa

[serene sage]

yeah you're assuming your teammates can overheal ie they make use of all of it.
they don't

[terse idol]

Like

[rancid echo]

but like how does that make sense? if I have 200 max toughness and I do a VOC from 0 without the modifier node, my teammates only get 15 fixed? seems off

[terse idol]

Unless you can give me differing info

Someone here, right now

[gusty grail]

They do if you just shouted

[sharp ember]

karking zealots and ogryns sure don’t need the help maintaining their toughness

[terse idol]

Told me that born leader is based solely off based toughness of 100

[gusty grail]

So basically you have no basis to believe that

[terse idol]

Man you gotta really twist my wrist to get me to run 3 toughness and born leader

[rigid nimbus]

But psyker friends?

[serene sage]

again, you still need them to be sub 100%, if they are at 100% they would go to 100% + 50 extra yellow
so net total they gain nothing.
this argument is irrelevant

[sharp ember]

aaand i just remembered psykers get toughness off warp damage

[gusty grail]

Yes giving your team toughness only helps when they need toughness, it's totally pointless so don't think about using the skill 🤣

[sharp ember]

[junior needle]

If it uses your max toughness, over a 10s period, each stack of confirmed kill would give out 12 toughness to your team with 271 toughness (this is a very unusual amount). The replenishment from confirmed kill is backloaded onto the regen.

[rigid nimbus]

Still cam be helpful, sure it isn't that great a passive but I'm sure it does something even if that something ain't much

[terse idol]

That just clearly isn't the case

[serene sage]

well no one is arguing Duty and Honour is bad
but in this scenario, when your team is at full toughness and you shout, Born Leader do exactly nothing for the team
what are you saying????????

[gusty grail]

Now let's look at how good Born Leader is with Confirmed kill!

[serene sage]

we are talking about Born Leader right?

[rancid echo]

what do you mean each stack of born leader?

[terse idol]

I mean are we gonna sit down to see if born leader does take maximum toughness

[sharp ember]

we really should

[junior needle]

I put born leader instead of confirmed kill because I'm not paying attention

fixed it

[serene sage]

we shouldn't

[terse idol]

@gusty grail also it's not meaningless, do you know?

Badonk do you know?

[rigid nimbus]

How about we just tell people to run whatever they want and let them find out how effective it is, you owe strangers nothing ;)

[gusty grail]

Learning is hard
We better just wait for some youtuber to tell us born leader is good

[serene sage]

sir, this is the internet, we die on the smallest hill possible

[south garnet]

and thank goodness one showed up to do just that!

[rigid nimbus]

Ain't no sir unfortunately /nm

[south garnet]

[serene sage]

mam, this is the internet, we die on the smallest hill possible

[rigid nimbus]

Not a ma'am either heh

:]

[junior needle]

It's unisex

In the current year

[serene sage]

s'am, this is the internet, we die on the smallest hill possible

m'ir?

[rigid nimbus]

You're right, I have plenty of unisex

[serene sage]

idek

[rigid nimbus]

Mx is the term legally used for genderfucks like me

[serene sage]

don't you like have a YT channel?

be the change you want to see in the world, reddit will eat it up

[rigid nimbus]

So many darktide YouTube channels are just zealots losing their minds on maelstroms

[terse idol]

Its the spread of info

Because simply we doont

[south garnet]

We don't use the Z-word in here anymore

[terse idol]

Fatsharks tool tips suck eggs

At least some

[serene sage]

zombies?

what

[rigid nimbus]

Hard Z

[south garnet]

Zimbabwe

[serene sage]

zoomers?

no seriously what's the z word

[rigid nimbus]

Z||ealot||

[south garnet]

Zealots

[serene sage]

oh

[gusty grail]

It would be very easy to test Born Leader actually

[rigid nimbus]

CENSOR IT QUICK BEFORE THEY REALISE

[south garnet]

🙊

[rancid echo]

also patch notes said this "Fixed Issue where ‘Born Leader’ didn’t replenish toughness of allies when the player was at max Toughness."

[gusty grail]

So I'll do that (still at work for a few hours)

[south garnet]

Actually slight correction it's *Zelot

[rigid nimbus]

^The most intelligent zealot player

[serene sage]

It used to do nothing when you're at full cause you aren't regening.

So extra extra bad

[hearty kernel]

not sure zealot and intelligent go in the same sentence together

[terse idol]

Yes that still doesn't make it gooood

[gusty grail]

It used to be bad

[terse idol]

It made it useable

Well

"Useable"

[rigid nimbus]

A passive should be useable

[terse idol]

There are just

[rigid nimbus]

So it's in a fine place

[terse idol]

So many other passive that are good

You dont want to give

3 toughness

[gusty grail]

If anyone has the solo mod they could test it right now on bots

[terse idol]

That's terrible

[rigid nimbus]

Let's not lose our minds over this

[terse idol]

I'm losing my miiind

[merry glade]

yes let's lose our minds over this

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-flying-flying-cat-jumpscare-jump-gif-11390130067737975034

[rigid nimbus]

There are many other problems with vets, this is not really even a problem

[terse idol]

That is a problem

[gusty grail]

I'm curious how people react if it turns out to be really good

[merry glade]

also with my sample size of 1 histg -- dropping infil dr was not so bad

[terse idol]

Because its a waste of a talent point where we're still pretty point specific

Even if the tree got fixed

[rigid nimbus]

Not really. Can't be a problem if you don't use it :)

[terse idol]

Yes bur

its terrible

It gives the wrong impression of a support build

Where it simply doesn't exist

[rigid nimbus]

Go on the forums then. It's a lovely place to put your opinion.

[terse idol]

I literally ran it

[rigid nimbus]

[terse idol]

Till I figured out how bad it is

[gusty grail]

Yes I'm sure 10% more damage for 10 seconds is so much better than dumping healing on your team constantly

[merry glade]

try the steam forums for the game 😇

[terse idol]

3 toughness heal

[serene sage]

I won't lie that place used to be my guilty pleasure

[merry glade]

well i mean if you had to choose

[terse idol]

Yes 10% is the difference between a breakpoint

Wdym

[celest vine]

https://fxtwitter.com/vexwerewolf/status/1737502339483771082?t=5r_xYiinn22s2kSLActAAg&s=19

[terse idol]

What rhe fuck

[rigid nimbus]

That is way better honestly

Team can't be damaged if the enemies are dead

[serene sage]

I just read random steam forum posts and either get angry or laugh my ass off

[rigid nimbus]

They're so funny

[serene sage]

No fking way

[rigid nimbus]

The fatshark forums are too

[celest vine]

M2A2 bradley this time

[merry glade]

i looked at one indie game's forums and the front page was 80% bigotry since the creator was trans
never again

[serene sage]

There was a dude who asked for nfsw materials for a semi wholesome indie game, the post died
8 months later he upbumped it

[rigid nimbus]

Naur

[serene sage]

My man was still horny 8 months after

[merry glade]

but i am curious -- what trinkets do you guys run, then? i've been running 3 toughness since the game dropped

[rigid nimbus]

God emperor says trans rights

[junior needle]

🤓

Well aktchually

It's not healing

[rigid nimbus]

I do two toughness and a wound

[merry glade]

idk about wound. it makes uhhh.... med stim lose value

[rigid nimbus]

Yeah but you never know what might happen in Auric

[serene sage]

2 health 1 tough

[merry glade]

ig

[rigid nimbus]

An extra down can prove helpful

[serene sage]

we are all equally worthless 😔

[rigid nimbus]

Yes 💖

[serene sage]

but at least we are equal

[merry glade]

only auric i consistently get boned in is melee-only no ammo pickup. (or any auric when i'm playing zealot 😩)

[rigid nimbus]

I just did one as zealot, it's so sweaty

You literally run around like a crack addict, meanwhile vet gameplay is so chill

[serene sage]

this feels so unreal to me that it happens again and again and again

[merry glade]

zealot in histg is the sweatiest this game gets imo

i have to not use deadshot revolver on my z or else i end up just playing a bad veteran LMAO

[celest vine]

Chinese communist spies wish they were this good at getting documents

[rigid nimbus]

Good tip for getting documents, ask nicely

[junior needle]

Pretty sure God Emperor says no rights, this is the grimdark future

Rejects literally got imprisoned for not moving out of the way of a clergymember fast enough

[rigid nimbus]

Transes your gender

[merry glade]

pretty sure big E doesn't say anything theseadays

[celest vine]

Me posting purposely wrong specs on the Abrams to get real documents on the forums

Works every time

[junior needle]

I already identify as trans-australian

[rigid nimbus]

Big e stands for big estrogen

[celest vine]

Big evicsorator

[hearty kernel]

Bug

[rigid nimbus]

Bug

[celest vine]

Space marine 2 has alpha legion helbrutes

[rigid nimbus]

How many vets died just so we could get this photo you reckon?

[teal abyss]

I thought that was Spawn

[midnight mortar]

That's Alpha Legion and not Thousand Sons?

[terse idol]

I'm suprised if that was Alpha legion

[celest vine]

Theres no goofy lookin egyptian shit on jt

[terse idol]

Being so blatant

[junior needle]

Color scheme doesn't look bright enough for 1k sons either

could just be the lighting

[bitter turtle]

Unironically yes when the "healing' you speak of is like single digit toughness per elite killed

[midnight mortar]

But that's in the same clip with Rubric Marines.

[bitter turtle]

Dmg is way better

[terse idol]

And its not a picture of a regular space marine with the caption "this is a not alpha Legion marine"

[rigid nimbus]

What about sigma legion?

[terse idol]

Its hard for me to believe that Alpha Legion would be THIS loud

[midnight mortar]

In that preview they show up in the same area as when we see those Rubric Marines though.

Similar design.

[gusty grail]

How many elites do you kill in a match? Is that your only source of toughness?

[terse idol]

Yeah for sure

[rigid nimbus]

How many elites does it take to screw in a light bulb?

[celest vine]

Scarab occult terminators

[terse idol]

I'm just too deep, Alpha marines would likely already be embedded into the ultra marines

[bitter turtle]

Most vets rely on et or ck for sustained toughness

Even if you run both

15 percent of 25 is literally like 4 toughness

[celest vine]

No the first company was their “publicly fuck shit up” company

[bitter turtle]

To your team

[terse idol]

For the amount of specs you kill 50 VOC toughness is much better

[celest vine]

Terminators, no need to be stealthy

[bitter turtle]

That is terrible

[merry glade]

i think born leader just ends up being situational. cuz ye, there's times where you're mowing down elites/specs -- but it also counts on your team needing toughness at that time.

i really don't think it's a bad pick out of the three you have to choose from tbh

[umbral scaffold]

da fuq

[terse idol]

Well didn't they have to manuover to it first?

[celest vine]

No

[merry glade]

not counting any toughness you get from abilities/whatever

[rigid nimbus]

Give your exact coordinates

[bitter turtle]

Meanwhile you at least know you are using the dmg buff when you ultimate

[junior needle]

brick incoming

[merry glade]

consecrate it, no balls

[gusty grail]

Times 3 (3 teammates) plus shout plus gain toughness when 8 meters away from enemies etc

[celest vine]

Ingo pech and his boys will just teleport in and brutalize you

[bitter turtle]

Cause you ult when there is a problem

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/run-gif-22382748

[bitter turtle]

That needs killing

[rigid nimbus]

I need that gun

[tall torrent]

It’s “in a fine place” because it’s competing against FTE and 50% suppression lol

[rigid nimbus]

Reply from a year ago

[tall torrent]

Blame discord loading

[terse idol]

That's wild

Because all I remeber of alpha legion is, we never really know where they've been

[bitter turtle]

By that reasoning fte is 40 percent dmg

[terse idol]

They operate strictly in cells, with sleeper agents everywhere

[bitter turtle]

10 x 4!!!

[rigid nimbus]

Within cells, interlinked.

[terse idol]

Cells

[bitter turtle]

Fte is actually the single biggest dmg multi on our tree confirmed

[terse idol]

[merry glade]

the individual gains from born leader are smol, but looking at +toughness to team over the course of a match is worth considering

[tall torrent]

FTE vs Born Leader is just the battle of mid

You take it just to get to the stuff below it

[gusty grail]

New ideas bad

[merry glade]

ofc

[bitter turtle]

No it's actually not bc most of the time you don't need toughness unless things are really going south

Like high intensity waves

[dusk sparrow]

Who cares tbh

They're both mid

[rancid echo]

i curse you with stamina and +groaners

[bitter turtle]

And in those times 3 orn4 is meh

[celest vine]

Thats the first company tho

[dusk sparrow]

Just take whichever placebo you like better

[merry glade]

true.

[tall torrent]

They should rework born leader into:
Gain 15% of any toughness your teammates in coherency replenishes (even if they’re at full toughness)

Now that is a node worth taking

[celest vine]

They should replace it with your mom

[dusk sparrow]

The illusion of damage vs the illusion of healing your team

[rigid nimbus]

You sound so confident. You should join the fatshark development team ;)

[gusty grail]

Have 4 vets in your squad with born leader

[merry glade]

behold: the truly based option:

[celest vine]

Fartshart when they break the game again

[tall torrent]

What’s ur suggestion then

[terse idol]

Its just too small

Like

Toughness regeneration as a concept, considering everyone is already building their own survability

That's why I point to burst toughness

Just being strictly better

[rigid nimbus]

I honestly think not every passive has to be amazing or game changing. There will always be better passive and worse ones. People should accept that and just do what they like yknow. No point losing sleep over something you can't change or a strangers opinion yknow.

[junior needle]

I'd take this in a heartbeat

[merry glade]

that's the fatshark design philosophy. see: both passives leading to ammo aura

[junior needle]

It'd actually encourage people to stay in coherency more

[dusk sparrow]

Fwiw I think FTE is better since it at least does something that may occasionally be meaningful

[midnight mortar]

That philosophy isn't exactly great for balancing the power levels of classes.

[tall torrent]

Oh I don’t really care abt it as much as the others, I’ve already accepted that Born Leader vs FTE is the battle of mid just so I can progress down middle

[dusk sparrow]

Maybe it'll make stuff randomly hit a breakpoint for one of your teammates

[bitter turtle]

FTE is at least always doing something meaningful when you need it

[rigid nimbus]

Good good. Just don't want people getting caught up in debates that really aren't worth their time yknow.

[midnight mortar]

There's room to discuss the intended versus actual effects of talents without resorting to platitudes like that.

[bitter turtle]

If you shout or exec its bc you're surrounded lul

[dusk sparrow]

And against monsters it is kinda meaningful to have the aoe buff

[gusty grail]

You can have both

[rigid nimbus]

Smudgels is just out for scalps :P

[gusty grail]

Plus, you can have shout, born leader and target down

Just a toughness monster

[dusk sparrow]

Your whole team doing 10% more base damage for 5 seconds is better than trickling a completely irrelevant amount of toughness to your allies

[tall torrent]

Born leader still works on only the 100 base toughness u get?

[torn needle]

What do y'all prefer for ps6, flak, carapace, or unyield?

[tall torrent]

Or does building for extra toughness actually improve it now

[rigid nimbus]

If you like the passive I'm happy for you, trying to convince someone on the Internet of your opinion can sometimes feel like a brick wall buddy

[merry glade]

toughness mf'ers when they brick a 380 weapon with perfect stat spread (they aren't so tough now)

[gusty grail]

That's why I'll make a video about it tonight

[merry glade]

owo what this

[rigid nimbus]

Educated the masses

[rigid nimbus]

Sounds horrible, I'm in

[gusty grail]

It's not enough to be right, people who don't agree with me need to be corrected

[merry glade]

enhanced smoke grenade, let's GOOOOOOOOOOOO

[cerulean void]

SMOKES FTW

[gusty grail]

Just like I corrected that Azriel guy about Ogrns being better than zelot. The truth will out

[sharp ember]

more smonks

[tall torrent]

Enhanced blitz just means u have more grenades I think

[rigid nimbus]

Let's use softer words, you're more likely to sway someone's opinion if you don't dismiss them.

[gusty grail]

I'm not a politician

[rigid nimbus]

No but you want people to value what you say

[tall torrent]

I don’t think that was him arguing zealot vs Ogryn lol

Was someone else

[rigid nimbus]

Social interactions is also politics my friend

[bitter turtle]

Azreal did say zealot melee better than ogryn

[tall torrent]

It was someone else arguing the crusher 1 shot stuff

Can’t remember

[rigid nimbus]

Heres a hot take, they're both good at melee. Wham.

[gusty grail]

I had to do it to him

[bitter turtle]

Idk I don't play oger so I have no opinion anyway

[gusty grail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qCdAgJ8rd4&ab_channel=VicidPlays

[idle carbon]

someone pointed this out already, but this helmet appeared in the files today\

[rigid nimbus]

Need

[tall torrent]

And the bruiser kill speed is slower

[idle carbon]

probably comes in the next rotation

[random cobalt]

woah

[tall torrent]

That looks incredible

[hollow turtle]

No Fricking way.

NEED

[gusty grail]

Kills bruzers slower and ogrns faster. Do you think Ogrns worry about brusers at all?

[rigid nimbus]

No I need

[sharp ember]

HELLGUNS HELLGUNS HELLGUNS HOT-SHOTS HOT-SHOTS HOT-SHOTS

[hollow turtle]

NO! Me first!

[idle carbon]

also worth pointing out, this backpack is also in the files
though it's been there since the beta

[hollow turtle]

Hallowette! I'll pay double the acquilas to get it before that man!

[tall torrent]

I’m just saying he has a point and he has his own perspective doing solo AM, so it’s not exactly a 1:1 comparison in arguments

[gusty grail]

Does this mean they will be accessible to players? Possibly not

[random cobalt]

🥱

[tall torrent]

Even if his point doesn’t exactly apply to your games

[rigid nimbus]

Jokes on you. Ain't a man :3

[junior needle]

I'm thoroughly impressed, by how shit the krieg helm looks compared to this now

[hollow turtle]

Fine. That servitor!

[terse idol]

I'm ravenous for discussion
But regardless IN AN IDEAL WORLD all talents will be worth taking if you build into them

As it stands even if you take

[junior needle]

I'm gonna have a laff at all the oinkers who jumped on the krieg set now

[terse idol]

Every single, toughness gain talent

You still won't make good enough value for born leader

[idle carbon]

for what it's worth, basically all the stuff they've added to the files recently has also been added to the store in the next rotation
it's the old stuff that hasn't been added (sans repeats)

[hollow turtle]

That scion backpack going to look good with the Krieg outfit too.

[forest blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-eowyn-i-am-no-man-gif-5386334

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-kitty-yeet-funny-gif-21938191

[rigid nimbus]

I'm so checked out of this

[terse idol]

I know

I just got back home

[rigid nimbus]

I love lotr

[terse idol]

Had to make my last statement

[gusty grail]

Then he should change his statement to "Zelot melee is better at killing Brusers with a specific weapon and blessings than ogryn" like what do you need, ogryn is clearly better than Zelot at melee

[rigid nimbus]

Fair

[hollow turtle]

"I-... Is that a girl?"

[terse idol]

Oh yoo, I just saw a video essay Bout how Sam is the real leader

I mean hero

[rigid nimbus]

Lol no

[terse idol]

I gotta watch lotr

[hollow turtle]

Deep Discord Mod breathing

[terse idol]

😌

[gusty grail]

Good to hear!

[rigid nimbus]

I'm nonbinary:3

[forest blaze]

Wake up. It’s 2004. Women don’t play video games.

[terse idol]

[hollow turtle]

It's almost 2024 and they still don't.

[tall torrent]

I mean
He’s playing solo where he has to handle all hordes while doing obj by himself so to him that clearly matters more
It’s just different perspectives and what not

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/sob-arnold-gif-12406885

[forest blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[sharp ember]

WE SCIONS NOW

[idle carbon]

it's stuff like this and this that have been in the files since launch
that they taunt us with

[rigid nimbus]

👀

[terse idol]

PLS WE NEED IT

[rigid nimbus]

That drip

I need the green

[sharp ember]

i am STILL waiting for those cadian colored green-tan flak suits

[low idol]

I'm looking to do overwatch anyone know if the 'jump off a bridge' technique still works?

[gusty grail]

Every time I shout "Cadia... For Cadia" I die a little inside

[hollow turtle]

I want the Veteran Squad upperbody but without the large quantity of seals hanging off it. There is one.

[stone zephyr]

How do people view these cosmetics?

[idle carbon]

a discontinued mod

[rigid nimbus]

Big e

[terse idol]

Wdym

[stone zephyr]

Ah, alright

[gusty grail]

(btw if you use the vet shout then use the context wheel for cheering the results are great)

[rigid nimbus]

My source is "it came to me in a dream"

[hollow turtle]

I was using the fashion randomizer mod.

[forest blaze]

The seals indicate that you’re pure. Are you not pure, varlet?

[hollow turtle]

The scion backpack's been in the game for a while. That helmet is new though.

[rigid nimbus]

No I'm a sinner

[junior needle]

Fun fact: In this situation there is now a binary created in the matter of being "binary" or "nonbinary", rendering one inescapably binary.

[tall torrent]

Istg if the next cash shop rotation has scion set

[rigid nimbus]

Nonbinary is an umbrella term though

For a bunch of different genders so like

What was that :3

[hollow turtle]

So what they're saying is that the Mechanicus can't read them.

[junior needle]

Is australian in there?

[idle carbon]

there are, esp in different camos and inquisitorial colors, but none in cadian green w/o the seals far as I can tell
then there's this badass leather jacket one

[hollow turtle]

That's the one.

[rigid nimbus]

Why not

[bitter turtle]

You could hypothetically divide anything into a binary state depending on your criteria

[rigid nimbus]

OUGH

THAT ONE

[rigid nimbus]

Least intelligent reddit user

[tall torrent]

This seems like smth that’ll either be future penance unlock or commissary addition

[hollow turtle]

It's perfect too. I use black and white for my cosmetics so since it's black, its perfect.

[junior needle]

I'm identifying as african-australian now

[bitter turtle]

So I don't think that statement means mucu

Even that could be binary

[quasi socket]

i am plotypus

[brave scarab]

plasma perks/blessing

[bitter turtle]

You're either African Australian or you're not

!!!

[tall torrent]

What armor sets would look good with that green scion helmet hmm

[hollow turtle]

We're going to get all of these new cosmetics in the ugly red and tan, or sky blue camo aren't we? Or even the mismatched camo that was the previous release's camo.

[rigid nimbus]

Plotypus

[tall torrent]

Also they better have scion helmet modify your character’s voice

[junior needle]

But anyway, that's all severely off topic

[hollow turtle]

its just going to be the mask modification.

[rigid nimbus]

Off topic discussion, everyone is banned

[idle carbon]

I actually think these pants are new, alongside the Scions helmet
however I cannot find a matching chestpiece atm

[rigid nimbus]

When do the vets get some comfy shorts

[hearty kernel]

ongod that desert camo we get as veteran, it only fits like 1 map

[hollow turtle]

Well to be fair, none of these maps are Cadian green.

Except for the ones with the nurgle vibe

[tall torrent]

The one armor set (released before rogue trader) looks like Mordian acid dogs

[hearty kernel]

i only got darktide like 2 days ago; kinda annoyed i miss so many cosmetics

[merry glade]

i live in a smoke castle, now

[hollow turtle]

They'll be back. Don't worry. 👍

[willow grove]

They should be back..... some day

[idle carbon]

blame fatshark for fomo

[trim hemlock]

These pants are the ones that will be paired with valhallan/winter set, I reckon

#theorycrafting message

[hearty kernel]

smh they did vermintide cosmetics fair

[bitter turtle]

It's ok

They suck anyway

[trim hemlock]

This will be the battlegear that releases with Scion helmet as an option - there will be a Kantrael flak helmet in the set, I reckon

[bitter turtle]

Many people already have kriegret

Buying that set

[flint garden]

sniper gauntlet be like

[idle carbon]

over fatshark's dead body, we all know they like to taunt us with properly-colored cadian gear sitting in the files rotting away like the buboes on a poxwalker

[willow grove]

I'm still waiting for something I like more then the basic-ass convict shirt

[trim hemlock]

The upper and lower body received Commodore's tags in today's hotfix, so they are due for Commodore's release soon

"soon", i.e., probably 3 weeks

[idle carbon]

well that's interesting news

[hollow turtle]

I've still yet to see this chest piece return. (Don't mind the red. That's just For the Drip mod. It's default black armor.)

[serene sage]

Them shoulder pads

[trim hemlock]

Other classes also either received Cadia sets (Ogryn has a flak armour and some other things), and Zealot's scavenged battlegear in Cadian green colour also received a Commodore's tag

[hollow turtle]

I like assymetry

[bitter turtle]

Does for the drip let you color weapons like that

[trim hemlock]

So... yeah, they will soon be released.

[hollow turtle]

yeah, you can color weapons and armor different colors/patterns.

[idle carbon]

time to slave away with fashion randomizer to see what the new helmet looks like with cadian gear

[hollow turtle]

Like this.

[hearty kernel]

soon > Next year

[serene sage]

I mean that's literally 10 days

[trim hemlock]

factually correct

I doubt they will release them before the winter sets, though

[hollow turtle]

Give me coat FS

Its cold in some parts of the hive

[lucid hinge]

Wait what the fuck

VT2 versus is real??

[idle carbon]

ah, the salver chem dogs stuff that accidentally released for like, 30 minutes

[trim hemlock]

It's 4 years late, but yes, apparently

[lucid hinge]

It needs to come back

I need that chem dog mask

[trim hemlock]

Okay, fun fact about Savlar cosmetics also

they got a Commodore's tag also

This hot-fix

They didn't have one before that

[idle carbon]

not surprising

since they did appear before (even if by accident), and they're honestly too well-made to just squirrel away

[trim hemlock]

So they are due release also

... maybe after Cadian sets?

i.e., after Rogue trader things go away

[tall torrent]

Since scion gear is now partly in the game

Will we ever get Lucifer blacks

[trim hemlock]

Because Savlar theme = stamped with "super premium quality c00smeticz" fartshart sign of approval

[idle carbon]

alright, this is what all us vets want to look like

[trim hemlock]

I don't

I like my scruffy Vet

[idle carbon]

fair

[lucid hinge]

wait

is that helmet real??

[idle carbon]

ya, added this hotfix

[trim hemlock]

It is.

[idle carbon]

or thereabouts

[round canopy]

I want to look like this

[lucid hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/high-five-walter-white-jesse-pinkman-breaking-bad-4k-gif-21661584

LETS FUCKINGGOOOOOOOOOOO

ITS ALL I WANTED

[serene sage]

Only 2400 Aquillas

(for the helmet only)

[trim hemlock]

scruffy Vet in question:

[idle carbon]

ah wait holdup, forgot the backpack
which would double as a hotshot power generator btw, with the proper kit installed on it

[trim hemlock]

the absolute unit of a Cadian

[sharp trail]

isn't that tempestus scion headgear

[lucid hinge]

its peak

I fucking lvoe it

[idle carbon]

yes, funny you mention it
that's the name

[lucid hinge]

I cant contain my excitement all I need now is a hotshot and a melta

yup tempestus scions

[idle carbon]

so maybe not kasrkin
but good enough

[lucid hinge]

best non space marine units out there

[idle carbon]

some solar auxilia guy lost the warp boiling at the statement

[lucid hinge]

skill issue

on his part

now my will to play sharpshooter has been reignited

[hearty kernel]

this a item?

or sorry; this in the game

[idle carbon]

yes

[hearty kernel]

smh.

another thing ive missed

[idle carbon]

not missed

[hearty kernel]

well i can't seem to find it xD

[idle carbon]

it got added to the files today

[hearty kernel]

so it's missed so far

[lucid hinge]

at least it looks good and matches the art unlike the krieg shit

[hearty kernel]

yeah but LOL

im on console here not exactly able to just

wear that

[idle carbon]

neither can I

[hearty kernel]

watch it be another paid for thing..

[stray nebula]

What blessings are recommended for the MG12 Inf Lasgun?

[idle carbon]

oh come on, you have to expect that lol

[hearty kernel]

would hope anyway

it'd be something behind a challenge or penance

welp

tired of seeing nothing new in the commissary

[umbral scaffold]

.. ur curse worked and i hate u

[umbral scaffold]

selfmade?

[idle carbon]

what do you mean?

[umbral scaffold]

is that like a mod or something ? or a real skin

[idle carbon]

real stuff in-game, mod used to temporarily equip them in the psykanium

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/oop-take-my-money-gif-23438077

[quasi socket]

this the fan fire or normal one?

[gusty grail]

Fanning

[sharp trail]

that's the fan fire

mk II is normal one

[random cobalt]

fan

[quasi socket]

ty for clarification

[gusty grail]

Looks nice though

[quasi socket]

havent ran anything outside of mk2 before

[gusty grail]

Reload speed is the dump stat 🤣

[hollow ibex]

It’s the better one anyway

[idle carbon]

that kind of attitude will have them upmark the price for "extra effort" :P

[turbid wave]

https://tenor.com/view/money-wallet-broke-gif-7855913

[tawdry hull]

idk why this fanning is
good

the original revolver much better

[idle carbon]

because we look badass doing it

[gusty grail]

Fanning seems pretty good for Zelot or Psyker who is more focused on other things and wants a quick damage dump at mid range

Possibly for a melee focused vet as we

Well*

I wish it penned more (or at all) seem to stop at one poxwalker

[tawdry hull]

trueee

thi i still prefer the ranged one with psyker

[merry glade]

auric maelstrom was fun. though one of our psykers left after dying and we had to roll with a bot to the end

[tawdry hull]

shit happens

[merry glade]

that being said, i feel confident in the current tree lmao. if it could do that bullshit, it can do anything
just gotta get moneyz for item gambling now 🙂

[rancid echo]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-witch-gif-19681679

[tawdry hull]

nowdays i die a lot cuz my cats dont let me game and have to play with them instead

[merry glade]

i'm rollin with this rn. any recs or issit good till i get summin bettah

[calm prairie]

is there a big difference between BM3 and 4 on power sword 6

[pulsar drift]

Then play with cat first

Place them on your knee and play

Problem solved

[tall torrent]

Basically no difference

[tawdry hull]

i play them ofc

playing with them*

i taught them already what route they should choose if theyre sneaking around my monitors

[pulsar drift]

Sniff*

[fresh mango]

Is this worth?

[quasi socket]

melk offerings, but still no ps pc4/bm4

[stray nebula]

What blessings are recommended for the MG12 Inf Lasgun?

[quasi socket]

headhunter/deadly accurate

[limber egret]

hey im late to this but how do you have the helmet there?

like that or the rest of the armor set?

datamining?

[idle carbon]

fashion randomizer, lets me temporarily equip gear (unreleased and otherwise) in the psykanium

[limber egret]

oh Oof

tho does that mean hellguj/hotshot lasgun soon atleast?

[umbral scaffold]

which perk should I change

[idle carbon]

it means nothing

[south garnet]

fuckyou

[limber egret]

its the number one weapon i wanna get as veteran

[umbral scaffold]

until I get something better

[rotund heart]

https://tenor.com/view/prigozingei-gif-15658695100459776511

[safe flax]

all

[idle carbon]

no, it's just a scions backpack (which could hold a powerback for a helgun, but it's not actually present)
the backpack has been in there since launch
however, the rest of the gear has apparently been earmarked for released in the commisary, so we might look forward to that soon

[umbral scaffold]

melee crit damage or elite damage, one has to go boys

SHUT UP BONK

[tardy plaza]

where the fuck is this

[safe flax]

Nevah

[limber egret]

also yeah i know its just the scion helmet but it would be nice to have some new weapons that are not just existing weapons but different patterns

would be letdown if no hellgun when they add scion skin too

or vollygun i think

they use one of those backpack lasguns

[idle carbon]

in your neighborhood guy-with-show-all-cosmetics-mod backyard

[limber egret]

the scions

[tardy plaza]

ah so its not actually available yet

good i dont get paid until friday

[idle carbon]

the helmet got added with this latest hotfix, along with some winter-themed cosmetics

or cold-weather themed would be more accurate tbh

[tardy plaza]

Sounds like Vostroyan Firstborn

[idle carbon]

you mean valhallan?

[tardy plaza]

or Valhallans

[idle carbon]

no classic valhallan greatcoats

[tardy plaza]

damn

[idle carbon]

but it could be some lighter gear

someone posted it already, lemme find it

[tardy plaza]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/2/23/Valhallan_Trooper.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140412035028

me want 🙂

But tbh I want the Cadian shit first

[idle carbon]

https://preview.redd.it/qeccgg75zh7c1.jpg?width=3840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4df030486926c2a43075043acb6fa25bbb564cc0

https://preview.redd.it/1o0rs7p4zh7c1.jpg?width=3840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b59bc442817d3d3f32083e20073ea139563f7603

[tardy plaza]

oh

not bad

[idle carbon]

there's psyker, ogryn, and zealot stuff too
the rest of the thread
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/18n2bwk/possible_christmas_cosmetics_datamined/

[crude ermine]

They're.. alright

[tardy plaza]

I think they're gonna be free

[crude ermine]

Psyker and zel's look goofy

[tardy plaza]

They look like something we'll get in an event or something, they don't look like paid sets

[crude ermine]

But vet and ogryns are nice

[tardy plaza]

I could see the zealot one comboing with some other pieces

Most of our sets look goofy though

[modest sapphire]

should i grab t4 raking fire? seems like it could be good with infiltrate

[tardy plaza]

yes

that's my build

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/221510568584937482/1185011075373076572/image.png?ex=658e0e90&is=657b9990&hm=c862e12d19fc7e7f9f97e60fb81a76aec6bafe19655cd0f19a0e7dd7517e571c&

[quasi socket]

i like how the final redacted penance gear is black/white camo pants, and black/red top...like did 2 people design them and not talk?

[tardy plaza]

infil vet with deadshot

[limber egret]

also hey is that the only helmet thats been aded or is there some with the original blue and gold colour scheme?

[idle carbon]

I kind of like the zealot chestpiece, more armor for the melee class always makes me feel good
though it's a bit too spikey, I might get FF'd lol

[idle carbon]

that's the only helmet so far

[limber egret]

oh well it would be nice having full set

[tardy plaza]

the lack of any leg pieces makes me think it wont be a paid set but im probably wrong

[limber egret]

only other skin i';ll use besides steel legion skin

[idle carbon]

but they can shit out recolors with no effort, For The Drip lets you do that for free

[limber egret]

tho i also have krieg but havent been using it

but scion designs do look noice

i definity would like to put it on

i would like the hellgun/hotshot lasgun tho still

especially if they are gonna be adding scion skin would be a let down if they dont add one of the backpack lasguns

[crude ermine]

This seems to have potential

Not in the, perk category

But the blessings could save it once I get to orange

[scarlet vessel]

oh hey graia infantry autogun is bretty gud with dumdum4

[calm prairie]

alright cool ty

[rugged portal]

All of the infantry autoguns seem pretty good right now.

[quasi socket]

iag good, much fun.

[limber egret]

this worth it?

and is the gun it self even good?

been thinking of trying some other guns

[hollow ibex]

Stopping power kinda important

[limber egret]

yeah but even with it being that low is the weapon it self even worth it?

with what it has besides the two bad perks?

[junior needle]

Vraks 7 wants surgical/deadly last I checked. Those perks are likely suboptimal

Also yeah, the stopping power

[limber egret]

ahh Oof