veteran-class

[warm idol]

including clans

[muted knot]

This one is good in terms of blessings and stats but the gun itself just hurts right now

[radiant plank]

i guess i could take it for the option in case they buff it later on

[warm idol]

bex is if you liked the vanilla game and just want improvements to it

[muted knot]

Definitely a good one to keep around

[warm idol]

roguetech is if you want a very challenging and masochistic experience that completely changes every aspect of the game

and BTA is imo a solid medium

fair warning all big mods give the game some serious performance issues

the game is on unity you see

also on another note, if you like the universe of battletech but want a non turn based experience there's mechwarrior 5

the vanilla is dogshit

but with mods it's a kickass experience

and the dlc's add some fun campaigns to play through

I still need to play that game

I hope the success of armored core makes people consider making mecha games

and tell fromsoft that the franchise is not dead

[terse idol]

Gotta be careful what mods you get though, I tried to do the one where it balances the game closer to MWO

That was a huuuge fucking mistale

At least in early game

[warm idol]

which one?

[terse idol]

I tried to do it with the base campaign

[warm idol]

if you mean yaml the difficulty is very customisable

[terse idol]

Uhh, I forgor

Hmm, maybe I shoulda tried to tweak it

[warm idol]

I wouldn't touch the base campaign with mods

it's already kinda buggy

just start with career

there's even mods to enhance that and allow you to start in a custom year

with differing amounts of money and mech types

[terse idol]

It just wasn't pleasent to fight like the 3 urbies the game wants you to, but they have ac20 BF's

[warm idol]

prolly yaml then

or one of its addons

urbie early game with an ac20 is a real nightmare to come across

but yeah yaml and its addons are basically a must have

without it there's a lack of variety in weapons, mech variants, inner frame parts etc

[slate sleet]

@formal lake just did a auric maelstorm with the axe its pretty good indeed

m1 tier for sure

[raw steppe]

mech games

is a genre i think could have a lot of potential lol

MWO completely fucked it up

[warm idol]

mecha doesn't really have any mass appeal so most avoid it I feel like

[raw steppe]

but i think there is a world where a good one can take over the market

[warm idol]

armored core is like the peak series in the genre

[slate sleet]

this works for melee as well right

[junior grail]

Yup

[slate sleet]

ok wtf vet just takes a poopy on every other class

[junior grail]

Not that big a poopy

[warm idol]

eh I doubt it will take over the mass market but ac6 sold over 2.8mil copies so hopefully it means fromsoft will make a sequel game like they usually do (and make new ac games after)

it's like jet games

ace combat 7 wasn't exactly winning goty awards but it sold very well

[junior grail]

Ace combat 7 won my heart

[warm idol]

I can only hope ac6 will get it's project wingman at some point

ace combat 7 is some of the most fun I had in a game

[raw steppe]

i do think it's something that consumers want

mw is just way too incomptent

for owning the ip

[warm idol]

mw?

[wooden lotus]

vet doesnt have the most immediate and braindead add-clear some set-ups can do

[warm idol]

the ip belongs to from themselves afaik

[wooden lotus]

flamer on zealot / flame nades, purgatus / fire trauma psyker

[warm idol]

they can do whatever they want with the series

[slate sleet]

i know i play with a psyker who does 1mil dmg regularly

[wooden lotus]

vet has really good support in general and damage for important targets

[slate sleet]

psyker is the strongest class in the game for green circle

[rigid pilot]

No

Kickback is the best

[raw steppe]

piranha games currently owns the mech warrior license i believe

but the games theyve made are pretty meh

[warm idol]

I was talking about armored core lol

but yeah i'm aware

maybe clans will be decent

since they should have learned a lot from mechwarrior 5's lifespan

[junior grail]

Ogryn has the best designed tree imo

[forest blaze]

The old old mech warrior games were the shit

[torn root]

so i just leveled up vet from 1-30 today and I have a question

[hollow ibex]

go outside and touch some grass

[forest scaffold]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

eeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[torn root]

Focus Target gives up to 20% damage right? So mathematically speaking Focssed target doesnt need to be taken over superiority complex right? Because 3x 4% is 12 vs 15%

[forest scaffold]

and so on and so forth

Ogryn's tree is just simple

"Heavy Attack"

"Body Guard"

"Gun Things"

Its uh. . . too straightforward for its own good imo

[inland orchid]

I like tryna spec into the 1st 2, heavy attackin shield with body guard to boot

[torn root]

bro it was only like 3hrs man

[inland orchid]

Watch all the fodder troopers run to me cuz my shield is shiny

[forest scaffold]

No

Heavy Hitter is stupid

its +25% damage

+25% damage

Yeah

its fuckin nuts

Shits OP

[terse idol]

Lucky bullet when it only refills 20~ bullets in over 100 rounds

[inland orchid]

Makes a shield look like the mace on his other hand in terms of speed

Is major funny

[terse idol]

Sorry 200 rounds

[forest scaffold]

we get mk4 cleaver

[terse idol]

[forest scaffold]

and bull butcher

and mk3b basher

(Mk3b basher best ogryn melee)

Uh

its the mix of "lemme delete this real quick"

and "I am now invulnerable"

heavy attacks are good, light attacks are good, it gets +80% damage and +80% rending

I'll be honest

[hollow ibex]

laughs in kickback

[forest scaffold]

Ogryn weapons should be the baseline for melee

[flat dock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ae3ec23-f497-423e-af1c-992841650a14/2-tap-sam

Opinions?

[forest scaffold]

The human melee weapons are all super fucked right now

from top to bottom

literally only the combat knives are actually balanced

Oh, and I guess the two vet shovels

Yeah, they're not even bad either

[flat dock]

Tac axes shred

[forest scaffold]

just not combat axes/dueling sword/power sword

eviscerator

crusher

blablabla

so whats the point in bringing a tac axe

when you can bring literally anything else

Its toeing the line

[flat dock]

Also opinions?

[forest scaffold]

but its not

so that's cool

I'm fine with things that graze the line

but when you get antax/rashad/power sword

its like well alright, we've gone from toeing the line to moving it to denmark

and its just like "why"

[gusty grail]

Video is processing

[forest scaffold]

basically every human melee, in one shape or another, needs a huge balance pass

And guns

tbh

just. . . fuckin gimme operation health

I agree

You want to know why?

A moron can top score on Ogryn

[gusty grail]

I was saying Ogryn folding shovel is better

[forest scaffold]

You actually need to be good at vet to do well

Depends on staff

trauma staff is lower skill floor than vet

literally just aim down

and you're invulnerable to melee enemies

[junior grail]

What about Gunpsyker

[gusty grail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qCdAgJ8rd4&ab_channel=VicidPlays

[forest blaze]

Purg staff supremacy

[forest scaffold]

I run trauma+BB+venting shriek

cause I just want old psyker

He wasn't shit

[flat dock]

Opinions please…

[forest scaffold]

and he isn't now

[junior grail]

I've yet to implement Bubble into builds, any recommendations?

[gusty grail]

yes and your crusher kill was slower than shovel

[junior grail]

Illegal

[gusty grail]

your crusher kill bit into my bruser footage

[forest blaze]

Only in some states

[forest scaffold]

This is why i say Ogryn is better than vet

well

[gusty grail]

and a bunch of my crusher footage was walking towards the crusher

[forest scaffold]

not because of that video

but because ogryn gets ~220 tougnness

[gusty grail]

Crusher is better melee than Zelot

[forest scaffold]

and ~300hp

[gusty grail]

was my point

[forest scaffold]

and has the best melee toughness regen talents in the game

[gusty grail]

clear hordes with ease, one shot elites

[forest scaffold]

So you're just invulnerable all the time

[gusty grail]

what's not to love

[forest scaffold]

only dogs, trappers stop you

and only bursters damage your HP really

[gusty grail]

so what

[forest scaffold]

That straight up doesn't matter

I can beat a mission in 25 minutes as ogryn

or 25 minutes as veteran

[gusty grail]

I kill for brusers per swing and stager a ton after that

[forest scaffold]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gusty grail]

swing again

litterally doesn't matter

horde is not important if you know what you're doing

[forest scaffold]

Like yes.

I get it Azrael

you're coming at this from a "I wish to approach the game as a true solo player"

and aye, vet is better in that regard

because you get -6 seconds flat off your ult

when killing a special

and gold toughness makes you functionally invulnerable

[gusty grail]

not faster than killing important things

[forest scaffold]

and you don't have to deal with ogryn's weird movement penalties

But in the, I guess "regular", game, ogryn and vet are on equal footing cause ogryn gets infinite toughness regeneration for just touching people in melee

[gusty grail]

watch it again, your crusher kill was slower they both end at the same time and yours was biting into my bruser footage

[forest scaffold]

All you need to really adjust to is your humongous hitbox

[gusty grail]

and I kill multiple elites many times in a game with one swing

[forest scaffold]

Its not hard to get 3 per swing in a live match

actually, I'd argue its easier

[junior grail]

Though i will say a 4 ogryn pub is generally harder than a 4 vet pub

[forest scaffold]

cause the maps are all hallways

unlike the meatgrinder

[gusty grail]

PLUS I didn't use my main weapon vs crusher = the charge - or even shoot them with the kickback that knocks them on their ass

[forest scaffold]

yeah, new ogryn shovels are dumb

and brutal momentum needs to be nuked

that's the real issue

the shovels have legitimate drawbacks for the nuke

Yes

[gusty grail]

Yea you just might have to swing twice

[forest scaffold]

Just look at VT2

not a single weapon in that game has brutal momentum

and all the melee are good

well

elf axe aside

[forest scaffold]

Even shield and hammer and shield and axe are, shudders, good.

They're just slow.

[gusty grail]

Puri I'm curious if you think Vet melee is better than Zelot rn

[forest scaffold]

Depends on player skill level.

Can you take less than 400 damage a match?

Then vet

are you bad at melee mechanics?

Zealot

[gusty grail]

EZ just stack toughness

oh wow

[forest scaffold]

^

[graceful glen]

why would i take damage as a vet

[forest scaffold]

Vet's skill floor is somewhere around the stratosphere

[graceful glen]

makes no sense

[gusty grail]

so vet better melee than zelot, Ogryn better melee than zelot, both have better range than zelot. This comes back to what I said earlier today that set you off Azreal, what's the point of Zelot?

[forest scaffold]

ogryn's skill floor is in basement sub level 6

and zealot is just the basement

But worse survivability

so it evens out for the average player

[gusty grail]

lel because u can smash those brusers wow

ogryn has... not die unless netted

[forest scaffold]

Shield of Contempt, Holy Revenant, Bleed For the Emperor is dumb

I agree

Especially on a martyrdom build

But ogryn gets literally infinite toughness for just interacting with melee

so like

[gusty grail]

Does shield of contempt get used up by braindead teammates though?

[forest scaffold]

Uh

Ogryn gets 71% flat

36% x 30

or something like that

just for existing ogryn gets 71% TDR

[gusty grail]

well that is good to know - but also Ogryn gets a stacking 10% DR from bleeds nearbye

so it can have insane TDR

[forest scaffold]

Then from there its down to specific talents

[gusty grail]

FNP is great - I wouldn't run an ogryn without it

[forest scaffold]

60% from bleed

30% from stat nodes

36% from being ogryn

25% from feel no pain

so like

ogryn's survivability is out of this world

I wouldn't be surprised if its multiplicative

[gusty grail]

thats why you can feel the difference if u lose stacks I guess

[forest scaffold]

Oh, I know that Bleed TDR is multiplicative

[gusty grail]

its insane

[forest scaffold]

I meant inside of itself though

but whatever number it ends up at, it is yes, multi with other talents

but I'm pretty sure bleed TDR stacks additively inside of itself

like FNP does

[gusty grail]

I made a dumb ogrn build for running the hidden assault condition

[forest scaffold]

The ogrynomicon build "Tyrant" is the best build for solo play.

[gusty grail]

just blasted the grenade launcher over and over again

nothing could touch it

[forest scaffold]

But its still going to take way more effort than zealot or veteran

[terse idol]

How do you even get it?

[gusty grail]

solo mod

then change the condition to "Assault"

[terse idol]

Ohh

[forest scaffold]

veg12 is the most fun modifier in vanilla darktide

[proper flame]

definitely not bad i think

[forest scaffold]

and probably the hardest

Sorta

melee only with pubs

[gusty grail]

it sends horde at you non-stop and then it feels like HI-Gauntlet on top of that plus rare heal pickups

[forest scaffold]

veg12 otherwise

Though melee only with the new ogryn shovels is probably uh

pretty fuckin snooze fest

just pickaxe the whole map to death

[gusty grail]

I really like the non-special sweeps on teh shovel

for horde

[forest scaffold]

all 5 shovels have good movesets

all three ogryn shovels, and both veteran shovels

[gusty grail]

I don't like the new vet shovel with the vertical sweeps though - when you fold it the attack comes in at an angle

yeah exactly it's ass lol

[terse idol]

Well yeah cause it only goes for head

Or well you waant

[quick moth]

Almost a nice aur damn reward

[forest scaffold]

This is where my ogryn hours come in handy

[terse idol]

To hit head

[forest scaffold]

I'm WAY more fair to weapons

I'm not enslaved by power sword/combat axe

new chainsword

its fuckin great

I love the new chainsword

[gusty grail]

can you make the new chainsword do well vs hordes?

[low oar]

I don't think I've used a combat axe in ages since it got really boring

[forest scaffold]

Yeah

Naw its fuckin great

[low oar]

The Rashad is neat though

[forest scaffold]

get outta your OP shithouse

and give it a fair shake

that's fine

[low oar]

I don't like how I haven't gotten a good one yet 😦

[quick moth]

You have defended the case that stubbers have effective range so I'll give you that for sure lol

[forest scaffold]

I can dig that opinion

I like the old chainaxe too

it actually teaches you melee fundamentals

on how/when to dodge

[gusty grail]

I don't like how the chainswords take so long - when it comes to hordes I'm camp Rashaad all the way - but I Like the strike downs and activated chain vs elites of course

[forest scaffold]

when to use push attacks

when to take risks(gluey light attacks)

Its a very, VERY good weapon for teaching people how to get good at melee

Negative

[low oar]

All time when you push on it since the push and push attack are like the same animation time

[forest scaffold]

only if you run it without BM

cause with BM, you ALWAYS have a get out of jail free card

[forest scaffold]

negative

[low oar]

If you decide to learn how to melee on a knife, you instead get carpal tunnel syndrome

[forest scaffold]

using push attacks on the regular as veteran is dumb

and extremely dangerous

So you need to know when

[low oar]

Pushes have that weird pause on chain sword

Feels like the same animation time

[forest scaffold]

only on the xg13

[gusty grail]

I always felt like the Reshaad's special attack was weak compared to Antax

[forest scaffold]

or whatever

[gusty grail]

in terms of stagger

[forest scaffold]

the stab on the og chainsword is lightning fast

[low oar]

The old chain sword

[gusty grail]

on vet?

do you need 25% mutant damage?

[low oar]

I just do push attacks when I want to push on the old chain sword since it's the same animation time before I can attack anyway, so I might as well get something out of it

[forest scaffold]

flak rager

not maniac

[gusty grail]

ohhh

[forest scaffold]

you want flak/unarmored on rashad anyway

[gusty grail]

It took me so long to get a reshaad axe with the right perks/blessings I don't think mine is good enough to do that

[forest scaffold]

for the bruiser oneshot

which is pain

otherwise you need a crit

[thorn yoke]

What enemies does Rashad's Finesse overtake a good roll Antax anyways? It feels like similar # of hits to kill for me

[forest scaffold]

I'd probably do carapace or unyielding for crushers/bosses

More towards unyielding

cause its funny outdueling plogryn as vet

Crab really monkey pawed the rashad

which is hilarious

if the rashad still had the old hitbox detection

it'd be a footnote in history still

You had to aim at literally the roof to hit anything in the head

fucking hilarious

[thorn yoke]

having trouble getting better # hits on Ragers, but that may just be shoulder-hitting more

[forest scaffold]

no you could

Crab has a few videos around here of him only headshotting a DH to death

You had to literally be looking straight up

Point being: old rashad was unuseable dogshit

I wish fatshark would just make it where the crosshair is

and ignore the weapon animations altogether

Its infuriating trying to fight maulers as ogryn

I have literally aim at the floor

to avoid hitting their head

WHY

WHERE IS THE SKILL NEEDED IN THIS

I just wish it were tied to where my crosshair is

Depends on the weapon

the clubs can't hit chest for example

unless you aim at the floor

same with shield

The mk4 and mk3bb can

cause the hitbox is "tiny"

relatively speaking

so aiming off to the left or right nets the body shot

No.

I uh

solved ogryn

a long time ago

and rarely deviate

In that way, I am very ogryn

"big stick hurt hard"

and not much else thought goes into it

I mean

I run glugger FNP

with achlys

not exactly a high skill playstyle either

I literally crouch in the open, and shoot 300 rounds without reloading

No

Achlys got a new buff

a few weeks ago

if you crouch and brace

you get 100% accuracy

give or take

out to 50 meters

So if you take the rending node

instead of fire bullets

you just delete the whole map with almost no ammo wasted

No

that got patched

It was because each pellet that hit a new body part would proc +3 burn

so a body has 2 arms, 2 legs

torso

head

x3

Fatshark patched it so the ATTACK procs the burn

not the pellets

So now you only get +2 burn per shot

Granted

You can light 21 enemies on fire with ripper mk2

per attack

which is pog

But yeah

Rippers fell off hard for me

due to the magazine nerf, reload speed nerf

and doubled special spawns in auric

I'm working on vet and psyker now to get them both to level 250

I know, that's not 250 missions

But I want zealot, veteran and psyker at level 250

So I can go play ogryn more without feeling bad

My zealot's done

veteran is level ~220

and my psyker is level ~110 or something

I only used counterfire MG12

bolter

and SAP

before patch 13 on vet

and it was obviously not super entertaining

Ogryn you just smash your face into the keyboard

and somehow do 900k damage in 30 minutes

I don't question it

I'd put it to 10%

tbh

and move them to different spots in the tree

so you can't grab both

and need to fully commit to a tree to get em

sucks for the newbies leveling

but too bad

use confident strike

Vets dogshit

[candid tundra]

is this any good or bricked

[forest scaffold]

and I refuse to change my opinion on that

He's a VT2 career in darktide

and its just outright not fun

[forest scaffold]

🤔

Thrust/Decimator

call it a day

[spark sandal]

I have no idea where to even start putting points into vet tree. So I just keep coming around and then going 'eh maybe later'

[forest scaffold]

Without VoC up

[candid tundra]

the only mk3 I have is a meme

[forest scaffold]

a poxwalker does full damage

[candid tundra]

would it even be like

any good

at all

in hordeclear

[forest scaffold]

well, VoC and Ironwill

[candid tundra]

I feel like it won't

so the light heavy loop?

[forest scaffold]

no

just all heavies

or all light attacks

either one works

Use light attacks on middling size hordes cause you don't need to worry about stagger

heavy attacks for big hordes

cause the stagger comes in handy

[candid tundra]

h2 is the single target tho

or is it h1

i forget

[forest scaffold]

Mk3 shovel is the combat axe on light attacks

[candid tundra]

regardless

[forest scaffold]

heavy 1 and heavy 2 are two horizontal attacks

that loop forever

[candid tundra]

one of the heavies is a top down single target

[forest scaffold]

the push attack is an overhead

[candid tundra]

this is the standard issue and mk7

the mk3 is not

[forest scaffold]

Oh

did fatshark give vet two shovels

I thought it was just the blue one

and the OG one

[candid tundra]

there's 3 m8

[forest scaffold]

[candid tundra]

there's standard issue, original shovel

[spark sandal]

Ogryn Colors showing

[candid tundra]

heavies are sweeps

blue folding is mk7

similar to standard issue heavies are sweeps

[forest scaffold]

I quit caring about new weapons a long time ago

[candid tundra]

and has diagonal fold

[forest scaffold]

because this crafting system actively punishes you for using it

[candid tundra]

and mk3 is more for single target

[spark sandal]

Slab didn't have their fingers up.

[forest scaffold]

I just saw the patch notes that vet got a new shovel

I didn't know it was two new ones

[candid tundra]

the mk3 has a vertical regular heavy, that's incorrect afaik

ok

[spark sandal]

But yeah, I only try new weapons after someone here says something interesting about it.

Otherwise they aren't real

[forest scaffold]

Newviscerator is pog

I like it

[candid tundra]

probably heavy light or just spam lights..?

[forest scaffold]

Solid weapon

[spark sandal]

Yep, I love the new evis, and the fixed Chaxe.

[forest scaffold]

I run mine with momentum and rampage

Cause its just an ogryn weapon in disguise

so I build it like an ogryn weapon

[candid tundra]

yeah @formal lake check and get back to me if you can on if you think thrust/limbsplitter works for hordeclear or if my shovel is shit

going to play now

[forest scaffold]

you can just do that already without shred. Well, not literally EVERY swing. But you can manage every other

[flat dock]

Can I get some opinions on a build

[spark sandal]

Since the skill trees came out though I've played so, so little Veteran, and now I'm utterly lost with it.

[formal lake]

you dont kill enemies fast enough so you get the +30% crit from scourge

[terse idol]

Vet shovel is still preettyy fuuunn

The OG

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, OG vet shovel is one of those "Holy shit this thing is actually balanced" weapons

I like it

a little tedious to use, but that's because everything else is mindbogglingly op

[terse idol]

You'll make it, just try things out (Focus target, weapon spec)

COUGH

[calm wren]

Are there any lasguns that are in a good spot right now? Kinda new to the endgame

[forest scaffold]

I can give you a couple solid builds

[terse idol]

Also voice of command

[forest scaffold]

that have the puri stamp of approval

[serene sage]

I can't tell if I hate or love the agri shotgun

[spark sandal]

I'd appreciate something that works with the new knoife, and columnus infantry, or one of the ... whats the keystone called... weapons specialist the swapping seems fun

[forest scaffold]

The big thing with vet though is that you NEED to be great at melee

[serene sage]

it's so gimmicky

[forest scaffold]

otherwise you just get shit on

[serene sage]

but it's kinda fun

[forest scaffold]

Voice of Command notwithstanding

https://streamable.com/v8hr7o

VoC lets you do dumb shit like this

that thumbnail is hilarious

[spark sandal]

lmao, that fenceline ride

Hello mister ragers, excuse me whilst I cowabunga

[forest scaffold]

Use the terrain to your advantage

[flat dock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ae3ec23-f497-423e-af1c-992841650a14/2-tap-sam

Opinions please

[serene sage]

does anyone know what is the fall off range for close/far weapons?

in this context

[forest scaffold]

Build one bonnie

[serene sage]

specifically

[forest scaffold]

build 2

[forest scaffold]

any ranged weapon works

[forest scaffold]

plasma and revolver

[spark sandal]

Ah does the columnus not work well with the wep specialist keystone?

[forest scaffold]

No

Weapon Specialist wants you to use that guaranteed crit

plasma and revolver get a bunch of oneshots with critical hits

ragers, ogryns, specials

[spark sandal]

I see!

[forest scaffold]

you name it, its a oneshot with a critical hit

the attack speed buff is neat otherwise

but it works best on volvo and plasma

[calm wren]

What about one for picking off specials that isn't a revolver?

[forest scaffold]

Mg1a, MG12, MGIV, All three IAGs, all three brautos, all three shotguns

plasma gun

all three vraks headhunters

all of the guns on vet are cracked except for shredder autopistol

that shit is digustingly bad now

the damage profile on it needs to be brought up to the graia brauto

at the very least

[hearty kernel]

smh, i enjoyed using the auto-pistol early game

[forest scaffold]

I ran MG12, Bolter and SAP pre patch 13

SAP pre patch 13 shouldn't exist I agree with Fatshark there

but it now its just dogshit

cause everything got its HP buffed through the roof

and the SAP still has a terrible base unarmored damage of ~70

granted

the SAP has like 90% adm on everything

[spark sandal]

Well I don't have a revolver on my vet, so plasma it is

[forest scaffold]

so its damage profile across the board isn't bad per se

its just that the damage it does isn't enough for the ammo pool it has

either double the damage, or double the ammo pool

I don't really care which

Honestly, I'd be cool with it having 1100 ammo in reserve

[calm wren]

Is there a specific build for the infantry lasguns or should I play around with the tree? Hahaha

[forest scaffold]

Uh

Not marksman focus

that keystone is trash

But anything that works you to the ping node is good

[calm wren]

So not the left side? Is that right?

Right now I'm on the middle one. XD

[spark sandal]

Is the survivalist aura not important so much anymore?

[forest scaffold]

I'd do something like this

The fact that HH is asking you to get headshots doesn't mean grab marksman focus IMO

its good for passive elites

like machinegunners

but beyond that, you're just gonna be drilling torsos

where exe stance comes in

I dunno, maybe you're a pro fps player

or have an aimbot

[calm wren]

Is it still doable with the shout? Hahaha

[forest scaffold]

Yeah

You could go shout

[calm wren]

I keep getting gimped by hordes during exec stance

[forest scaffold]

just miss out on survivalist

[forest scaffold]

bring a combat axe or power sword

[calm wren]

Or should I just try to stay with the group?

[forest scaffold]

because they remove all the difficulty of hordes

they're like. . . the perfect melee solution for counterfireExe Stance vet

which I both hate and love

[muted knot]

You should always stay with the group

[hearty kernel]

Speaking of; i still haven't tried the combat axe yet; been pretty much exclusively using a power sword.

[muted knot]

The axes are fun

[hearty kernel]

Eh i usually run a chainsword or power sword

[calm wren]

No I mean I get cut off a lot of the time and when I get swarmed there's nothing to push back the horde hahah

[hearty kernel]

Im not sure how fun the axes will be

[calm wren]

I think I'm playing the game wrong tho

[forest scaffold]

No

that's just what happens when you have a "mediocre" weapon

(Which is how the game SHOULD be balanced)

getting cut off from the team should be a death sentence only the best of the best can scrape out of

But for now

just run power sword and delete everything

[muted knot]

Chainsword gang 🤝

[calm wren]

Ahhh okay okay hahah gotcha. I'll try to roll for a better powersword

[hearty kernel]

It's somewhat backwards looking back; i'll use my chainsword for armoured enemies and my Graia to clear hordes

[spark sandal]

This plasma alright, or do I need to change something?

[muted knot]

What's y'all pet weapons, that you like without looking at their strengths

[hearty kernel]

cause the spray is too much fun

[muted knot]

I'm more of a colomnus guy but I see the point

[hearty kernel]

I tried it

i will admit if i could go back i'd keep mine now

[muted knot]

Or Agrippina if I fucking got one

[hearty kernel]

the Graia has a little too much kick for me

but then again; hip firing auto guns doesn't seem to have any recoil

[forest scaffold]

power cycler

that's really all you're looking for

[muted knot]

I wish I could get a mg1a

[forest scaffold]

brutal momentum or slaughterer besides that

you can forget about perks for now until you really care about minmaxxing

[hearty kernel]

So for reference, it's better to 'find' the weapon you want apposed to just requesting it yeah?

[radiant plank]

I've heard of people burning thousands of plasteel looking for power cycler

[muted knot]

From brunt ?

Brunt's a bitch

Keep your 320 Greys

[hearty kernel]

Hah; yeah so doing brunts request are a bad idea

?*

[muted knot]

You just spam it to get something mediocre after spending 300k dockets

[spark sandal]

It's sort of a do you want to trade more time, or more plasteel thought

[slate sleet]

im bored of plasma boring boring boring

revoler boring

rrgfgng

[hearty kernel]

auto pistol run

[spark sandal]

You can wait for Melk to give it to you, and save plasteel, but gods that could be months

[slate sleet]

autopistol kinda poopy

fun with raking fire tho

i was thinking of manstopper scattershot agrip shotgun

[hearty kernel]

laspistol? heavy or not

[muted knot]

I'm running that right now actually

[slate sleet]

its a revolver but not really

its really good

[muted knot]

It's fun

[spark sandal]

I have no idea what to do with this shovel

[hearty kernel]

i heard the sapper shovels are pretty good

for a melee

[crude ermine]

Consume it

[muted knot]

But I don't understand why it's damage is so low relatively compared to other shotguns

[crude ermine]

Nutrients

[forest scaffold]

change thunderstrike to thrust

change sprint efficiency to flak

and you only use heavy attacks

[hearty kernel]

literally extreme; corpse starch can't be that bad.

[spark sandal]

Hahah... uhhhh, I may have to bulk up my repetoire.

[muted knot]

Aggressively relatable

[pliant spire]

Buy or nah?

[slate sleet]

bruh

[pliant spire]

My only non power sword

[candid tundra]

right I figured

[hearty kernel]

huh; there's a tier above orange

shows how little i knew.

[spark sandal]

Nah orange is current highest, thats just picture quality

[hearty kernel]

oh

well

that is a shame i had hopes

[crude ermine]

No reds like VT2

[spark sandal]

Theres plenty of rumors of reds eventually, since we have such low caps on weapons and everything.

[crude ermine]

Tbh now that I'm remembering it what did reds even do different from orange I can't remember

[hearty kernel]

me getting flashbacks to playing total war inquisitor martyr; seeing that red

[spark sandal]

I never got good at VT to know sadly.

[crude ermine]

I have like

One veteran

Doesn't feel different compared to the orange next to it

[terse idol]

I will say, until a dev confirms it I gotta wait

Also people are gonna hurt, whoever spent the 5m just to roll for 1 good weapon

[terse idol]

They always rolled perfect modifiers

[hearty kernel]

nah they'll add a way to up the tier; if they add another specially after so long

[terse idol]

While orange just rolled the range

[hearty kernel]

i can't imagine they just pull the finger on everyone

[terse idol]

Between like 1-5%

[gritty swallow]

which melee weap are ppl having fun with, not loving the chaxe and am bored of powersword

[terse idol]

Dclaw is always fun

For the parry

[idle swallow]

Become shovel warrior

[gritty swallow]

ive never beena fan of the shovel just cause its not a cool asthetic buuut maybe its time to join the cult of the shovel

[crude ermine]

Ah

[umbral garnet]

Thoughts?

[terse idol]

Yeah regular shovel, and the mk3 shovel are good options

[umbral garnet]

Sure, a bit low on the stopping power. But otherwise it's a good lad.

[crude ermine]

Pretty good

[terse idol]

Besides critical hit damage I think thats one of the best

[crude ermine]

3/4

[crude ermine]

Nah it's still good enough, anything 65 and above is good

[terse idol]

And stability

[umbral garnet]

It's a melter, I tell ya that.

[modest sapphire]

does this mean your ADS fire?

[candid tundra]

correct

anyways what do you guys think I should do with this

[atomic zephyr]

yes

[lofty lintel]

replace trauma for thrust

and take a swing for uncanny

or decimator/uncanny

[atomic zephyr]

brunt please

[gentle prawn]

hey, is it outta pocket for me to say that vets with headhunter and plasma guns should be the ones targeting gunners

like is that crazy

[sharp ember]

nahh these guys are for shooting poxwalkers

[unreal bone]

Chonk veteran

[placid portal]

Should load boltgun ammo in headhunters instead

[unreal bone]

Nah can we just get a shotgun that shoots bolter rounds?

Look at this swag ass coat.

[serene sage]

We kinda do

It's clunky as fuck, even more so than the bolt

But we do

[unreal bone]

Which shotgun lol.

[serene sage]

Agri

[unreal bone]

Not really.

[serene sage]

The slug shotty

[unreal bone]

That one is shooting what I would assume to be a 4 gauge slug when you alt fire.

[serene sage]

The slug actually does more damage than bolt rounds though

[unreal bone]

I'm talking about a shotgun that shoots the same ammo as a bolter which is rocket propelled explosives.

It's not about the damage.

It's about the cool factor.

[serene sage]

Oh so not gameplay

I see

[unreal bone]

Yeah I'm just saying it'd be a cool addition to have, it won't ever happen so that's why I'm just saying it'd be cool.

Only like 38 more weeks till we possibly get Cadian outfits people!

🥳

kill me

[obsidian umbra]

how good is the onslaught talent ?

[nocturne hazel]

Best I can do is make it red and have an ugly camo pattern

[wintry bay]

dont forget to mention by then theyll have creeped the price up to 20bucks a set

[unreal bone]

Nah I am guessing that the sets will come out on September 19th and cost 2900 Aquilas a set.

MAYBE September 5th, but probably September 19th.

[midnight totem]

found a pretty nice chainsword

thinking about replacing savage sweep, rampage?

[junior grail]

Is it level4?

[serene sage]

👍

honestly, time well spent

[gilded wraith]

Which blessings should I look for on an Agripinaa Mk 8 BAG?

[midnight totem]

only got level 3 atm

[junior grail]

Better than lvl 2 haha

I wonder if Grenade Tinkerer is worth it, Shredder Frag btw

[midnight totem]

the extra aoe is great

the damage is just a bonus

[low wagon]

what is the dump stat for plasma?

[graceful glen]

damage nobody cares about damage

no wait

crit

[placid portal]

Yes

[junior grail]

Plasma dump stat... HAHAHAHAHAHA

[low wagon]

well, one's got to be less important with fatshark's 380 cap

I'm considering whether it's worth it to buy stuff like that

even if blessing is not so Hot (pun)

[forest blaze]

Some lobbies just make things waaaaay more difficult than they need to be by running around solo. 2 zealots just playing a solo game makes it a super uphill battle

[umbral scaffold]

anyone know whats best blessings for shredder pistol

[junior grail]

It was Pinning Fire and Blaze Away, not so sure now since PF nerf

[hidden lagoon]

Is there a throwaway stat for the plasma gun?

[obsidian umbra]

thermal resistance is the "least important"

[hidden lagoon]

ahhh ok

thanks !

[obsidian umbra]

but not throw away by any means

[hidden lagoon]

smh almost

[muted knot]

Well how much does ammo actually do on plasma

You can check on the inspect screen

By hovering the ammo

Like the 33%

Oh its 99/99

Yeah that ain't great

[hidden lagoon]

yeah lol

[spring spindle]

Before I accidentally spend Ordos. Which recon lasgun is the slower shooting but harder hitting one

[muted knot]

My honest reccomedation is don't bother

[spring spindle]

I don’t care. I want one

[muted knot]

But it's the VIIa I think

The brown one

[spring spindle]

Yah that’s it. Thank ya

[forest scaffold]

7a

[south garnet]

I think I'm a convert, this is sick shit

[viral nacelle]

Bloodletter good now?!

Finally my chaxe isn’t 💩

[south garnet]

Yea man bloodletter is insane, esp with brittle crushers melt like ice cream on a 400 lb hooker

bosses are a speedbump

yes, it's literally the best blessing to have

now everyone begin arguing about whether sunder is completely useless or not

yes

[spring spindle]

This makes the Kriegsman feel complicated

[south garnet]

oh and be sure to take the weakspot talent node too

I mean, in general, always take it. But especially for psword and plasma

[midnight mortar]

Imagine dying first in a Twins fight as a Veteran with shout, kraks, and a refusal to swap off the MG XII. Now picture them demanding to know why the other Veteran didn't use their shout to revive them, asking them how they didn't know it revives teammates, and then disconnecting.

I don't think they even know that's a separate talent node for it. Like they must have seen someone revive with it once and assumed it was baked in, never reading the description.

[green dust]

What are best in slot blessings? should I change my perks?

[midnight mortar]

Rampage and Savage Sweep are the typical blessings.

I'd see if switching elites to maniacs doesn't let you one shot ragers on rev.

[hollow ibex]

christ i fucking hate the night mode auric

actually unplayable

[sharp ember]

autopistol large flashlight meta

[hollow ibex]

it always shows when i quickplay lol

[sharp ember]

kinda wanna take it for a spin with the suppressed damage bonus

[hollow ibex]

of course, without a flashlight weapon

[midnight totem]

should I swap the melee crit chance blessing for manics?

[sharp ember]

only if you want extra help killing muties and dreg ragers

omitting other specials because they crumple like paper

[low oar]

I love how the DC 7 and 4 are just reversed animations. I used the 7 for like hundreds of hours and just switched to the 4 because I realized H1 being an overhead would be better

I still do the wrong animations

[wraith locust]

lfg

did hard mode in pugs

[spring spindle]

Hot take. I don’t like the revive

[sharp ember]

i greed the point and don’t take it

big stagger radius and more overshields is quite nice

more shouts over the course of a mission

[quasi socket]

i wish bm4 on axe could be eaten for ps mk6 use...

dammit melk

[south garnet]

revive arguably makes shout worse

[nimble kayak]

Anyone got a good hybrid build perhaps? I really wanna use both gun and melee. Preferrably lean more towards melee but still be able to heavily use guns.

[quasi socket]

sadly the ps mk6 only has bm2...time to wait for another refresh

[south garnet]

if you really need to revive someone with shout, just, you know, shout and revive them while everyone is knocked on their ass

[nimble kayak]

You can shout revive? Is that a Veteran thing?

[south garnet]

alternatively revive them instantly into flame or gunfire which they won't be expecting and will stand there like a moron for a half second before dying again

[south garnet]

yes

[low wagon]

and Kruber's

[quasi socket]

yeah, shout then rez them. very standard

[nimble kayak]

POV: Your Vet is level 5 and you just came off Zealot.

Lol

[south garnet]

lol, I think he meant the subnode for it

[median hawk]

happy gasmask noises

[south garnet]

very nice

[low wagon]

nice

[quasi socket]

my first 30 was zealot, then went to vet. very happy to chance

**change

[quasi socket]

but perks/blessings?

[low wagon]

what is at the bottom that you are not showing us? ;d

[quasi socket]

i feel like its another building material from hadrom

[nimble kayak]

Yeah I'm currently working on my Ogryn. Then I'mma focus on Vet. I'm saving Psyker for last cause I hate how frail they are. I know Vet CAN be frail but he was ways to off-set that in most of his trees if I recall.

Psyker really doesn't have many options.

[quasi socket]

vet is kinda in middle of squishy tiers. positioning, using kit to escape/make distance, and awareness will save you

later on when you have access to good weapons it really gets fun because you can 1 tap specials via plasma and horde clear with multiple diff melee weapons

[raw steppe]

you'd be surprised

[quasi socket]

and if you go meta plasma/power sword mk 6, you can be pretty safe with good rolls

[raw steppe]

in terms of raw EHP psyker definitely is a bit lower comparatively

but KD, bubble, crazy toughness recovery

and the sheer power of the psyker exclusive melees

make them pretty strong defensively

[quasi socket]

smite/flame staff, good melee options on psyker too

[nimble kayak]

I am... two of those things. Positioning and using my kit to escape. My awareness, however, is that of a bird who constantly flies into a window thinking it's the sky still.

[quasi socket]

it comes with time. took me a week to break into damnation after moving to vet

still get in bad spots, but not as much as when i go full zug on zealot

[nimble kayak]

I haven't even tried damnation on Zealot. Heard it's very, uh... BAD with pubs.

[quasi socket]

ive seen zealots do great in damnation, but some of them in heresy and lower have made me walk away from my computer and take a break

[nimble kayak]

I'm running one of those builds where I just

run forward and click.

clear out whole hordes with a few hits

[tidal rapids]

Damnation can go either way really, either you get a team that doesn't seem to understand the concept of cohesion or a team that makes the mission smooth as butter

[quasi socket]

gotta weave in those blocks/push attacks, throw in some ranged too

[nimble kayak]

I dodge, but I personally don't block. Idk why, I just never block in most games. I'm way too aggressive. I think the only time I ever block is against the daemonhost.

[midnight totem]

I just rolled this shovel

[quasi socket]

i got a crew of 4 vets one day, we were on eachother like white on rice in damnation, it went so smooth and there was ammo raining from the sky

[nimble kayak]

or against maulers n shit

[midnight totem]

wait thats not a shovel

why is thrust 4 so hilarously strong

[tidal rapids]

It's always nice when a full vet team just demolishes the mission, especially if it's damnation hi-intensity

[low wagon]

why would it be bad or hard?
just did 4 zealot damnation pub, half under 30, was pleasant and very problem-free experience

[nimble kayak]

I said heard.

Never said it was.

Most pub lobbies can be really hit or miss from what I was told.

I also experience this frequently on Heresy or Malice.

I had a moment on Malice where I had to carry two level 10's and a level 15.

Like, WHY ARE YOU EVEN HERE

[quasi socket]

we had 2 iag/braced users, 2 plasmas, 2 people running frags and 2 with kraks, entire maps melted and we moved through it so damn fast

[nimble kayak]

This is not the right level to be doing MALICE on.

[quasi socket]

im outtie, may hadron bless yall tonight

[low wagon]

My experience is that both here and in VT2 higher difficulties are sometimes even easier

[midnight totem]

what should I reroll on that shovel?

[nimble kayak]

unless you're already good lol.

[low wagon]

because people playing them are better

[nimble kayak]

Ooooh boy... do we have different experiences.

I did ONE damnation and quit halfway through after seeing how bad my team was.

[tidal rapids]

Astra Militarum gets the job done

[low wagon]

I do play mostly late late night; maybe this positiviely affects quality of players

[nimble kayak]

one dude ran off from the group, the other was constantly lagging behind like 50 feet from us and kept dying before dropping down to the next zone (he wasn't being a loot goblin, he was just outright sitting there.) and the last guy was the only guy who was doing good and staying with me. And, go figure, he was a shield Ogryn. He got overrun later though and the other two were the only ones left with me. I couldn't save the Ogryn cause of how many specials there were... and yeah I quit out.

That match was just really annoying.

and the fact half the team had the attention span of a goldfish

yeah I don't think we were clutching that

especially not with the only other competent person in the group being dead.

[low wagon]

The average attention span for the notoriously ill-focused goldfish is nine seconds, but according to a new study from Microsoft Corp., people now generally lose concentration after eight seconds, highlighting the affects of an increasingly digitalized lifestyle on the brain.

sounds better than the tiktok crowd

[nimble kayak]

I'll give them that.

They paid more attention than the Tiktok crowd.

by 1 second.

[midnight totem]

anyway, what perks for this shovel

I got decimater 3 and thrust 4 on it, mk3 sapper shovel

[nimble kayak]

If only there was a way to launch yourself 30 feet into the air and scream 'SCREAMING EAGLES!' as you elegantly descend and smash an enemy's head in, dealing a guaranteed critical hit.

lol

The joke was there, I made it.

[midnight totem]

If my Foot Knight had this shovel in Vermintide

he'd be unstoppable

[nimble kayak]

How so? Lol

Oh also I just got Vermintide 2. I gotta find a group to play with at some point.

[midnight totem]

Because the fold up thrust strike down is hilariously good

[nimble kayak]

wassat

lol

(POV: You haven't booted up Vermintide 2 yet)

[midnight totem]

this shovel's special attack is that it folds up into a pick

also the bonk noises are incredibly satisfying

[midnight mortar]

I'm not a fan of it either in its current implementation.

[tall torrent]

That’s just peak skill issue lmao

[midnight mortar]

It was truly something to behold.

I kited Rinda around the entire ring for a whole lap while the other three were bogged down by crushers and ragers seemingly unable to kill any of them.

Then that vet died and they all collapsed.

[tall torrent]

MG12 is just incredibly unfun to play this patch idk

[jade notch]

Fighting Rinda is fun, ngl. You get to see who's even more cracked between her and you.

[midnight mortar]

It's still fine to me. It's just middling.

But for the Twins fight in particular, using it is asking for pain upon you.

[tall torrent]

Wish it had helbore’s 1 target penetration

[midnight mortar]

It does not perform well there.

[jade notch]

MG Ia just overshadowed the MG 12 rather than being weakened, yeah

[tall torrent]

It’s not just that

[midnight mortar]

Nah, not overshadowed. Just easier to use.

[tall torrent]

MG12 is like the only gun in the game that forces u into 2 super specific builds

[midnight mortar]

The XII's TTK is still the fastest.

[rigid pilot]

MG12 can't deal with maulers and crushers

[midnight mortar]

But the XII's base characteristics aren't strong.

And in today's current balance paradigm of high density, high quantity enemy spawns

It won't cut it.

[rigid pilot]

But if you go left side your melee isn't as good to compensate

[tall torrent]

U can actually scrape by with left tree

The issue is more the gun itself

[rigid pilot]

Yea powersword6 is just that strong

[midnight mortar]

It's been left behind by all the buffs other weapon archetypes have received.

[jade notch]

I have both a MG 12 and Ia and it doesn't feel like the TTK is that substantially better on the former.

I can't even say that definitively because my Ia's got better Perks than the 12, so it might be just that.

[rigid pilot]

New shovel too actually but not so much

[tall torrent]

As long as u have 2 points to dip into the 10% melee on the top right

[midnight mortar]

And as a result, the disparity in the base profiles of all vet weapons is apparent.

[midnight mortar]

Having tested them, the difference isn't major at all. But it does exist.

The XII will always have a faster TTK if you're landing headshots.

[tall torrent]

12 has a better ttk if you just 1 tap pop everything in the head

[rigid pilot]

I find it really hard to like helbores too, even with the busted melee lmao

[tall torrent]

But 12 is miserable because only 2 builds can reach those 1 taps

[midnight mortar]

If you're going for bodyshots though, the la and IV serve better.

[jade notch]

That would explain it then, because as much as I would like, I can't always be landing headshots. So I make it up with accuracy by volume and body shots.

[tall torrent]

You’re forced to run either exe stance or marksman keystone

Both are team dependent

[jade notch]

Or both if you're a lunatic like me

[midnight mortar]

I wouldn't mind it so much if the marksman keystone wasn't such a worthless footnote for slow firing, hard hitting guns.

[rigid pilot]

I take both on my CIAG

But CIAG is so busted it's fine

[midnight mortar]

A little team dependency is tolerable to me.

But I'm used to using the XII.

[tall torrent]

That keystone honestly just needs a complete rework imo
It’s so counterintuitive how it works exponentially better with rapid fire non-precision weapons than with actual precision weapons

[jade notch]

I run the MG Ia with my Marksman Keystone, works well enough.

But I do cheat by just taking Rending Strikes instead of taking the MF Subnode for Rending at 10+ Stacks, since I'm already taking Iron Will as is.

[midnight mortar]

Precisely.

[rigid pilot]

Crazy right

[fallen sinew]

Is it possible to rename my character

[tall torrent]

No

[rigid pilot]

F

[fallen sinew]

My soldier’s name isnt as unique as I originally thought it was

[rigid pilot]

Poopenfarten69

[fallen sinew]

:c

[tall torrent]

MG4 and MG1A are so fun rn but MG12 just feels very unfun

[rigid pilot]

It doesn't even stagger flamers right?

[tall torrent]

MG12?

[rigid pilot]

Yea

Bodyshots

[tall torrent]

I mean, you’re aiming to 1 shot flamers in the head

MG12 is imo worthless without headshots

[rigid pilot]

Sometimes you don't get the headshot but it still doesn't stagger

[tall torrent]

Which is another big thing

[rigid pilot]

Feels bad

[tall torrent]

Yea lasguns just have low stagger

[rigid pilot]

But they have recoil

[midnight mortar]

Yeah cause all the stagger is directed backwards.

Such is the will of the Omnissiah.

[atomic zephyr]

what even changed about the MG12

[midnight mortar]

Nothing has changed, really.

[atomic zephyr]

i used to love it but something changed and now I can’t stand it