veteran-class

[serene sage]

yknow

[bitter turtle]

i wonder

[gilded wraith]

I can get flechette to proc most every shot, so that's nice. Not sure it gains me anything over just melting enemies with a revolver, plasma, or columnus.

[bitter turtle]

would it be busted

[serene sage]

what is a mixed horde anyway

[gusty grail]

You won't bleed all the things you burn

[bitter turtle]

if shotguns loaded 2 shots

with special action

[bitter turtle]

its when you put them in a blender and make a nurgle smoothie

[serene sage]

what are the ingredients though, are melee elites included?

[bitter turtle]

ye

gotta get that fiber from all the green stuff on the dreg ragers

eat your veggies

[serene sage]

haha no

[tall torrent]

Dreg ragers have unidentifiable appendages on their torso

[gilded wraith]

Yeah, with deadshot, scattershot, opening salvo, and the crit node I get close... but then I have to chase rending as well. Lots of work and I'm not sure about the payoff.

[gusty grail]

Man stopper scatter shot is better

[serene sage]

man stopper is such a funny name tbh

[gilded wraith]

Even on the Kantrael? Figured it would shine on the lawbringer.

[bitter turtle]

women immune to manstopper

doesnt work on trappers

[gusty grail]

Kantrel hits harder

[gilded wraith]

rofl

[fading grove]

why did I never try shotguns before now? super fun

[serene sage]

it would be funny to find out this way that crushers are actually female ogryns

[gusty grail]

But you can use the special + Manstopoer on lawbringer for funny hordeclear

[bitter turtle]

lol

[tall torrent]

Kantrael hits harder up close
Lawbringer has better performance at midrange

[gilded wraith]

They are definitely a whoe new world with the special ammo.

[bitter turtle]

i think they either could make shotguns load 2 special ammo or make the normal shots better

[fading grove]

been using the sniper one. want to build a fire one. Emperor gave me a blue with manstopper 2 yesterday so I figured it's a sign

[bitter turtle]

having to load every shot in individually is the only thing i dont like about them

and the normal primary fire is meh

feels like im playing a fuggin musket

[serene sage]

what if you need to load them individually but you can stack them

like if you special 3 times you have 3 special shots

[bitter turtle]

that would be cool but idk if that would be op

you'd just load between encounters up

[serene sage]

I mean reduce the mag count

[bitter turtle]

maybe

[serene sage]

to maybe 5, give it something like handcanon surgical

[bitter turtle]

i like that idea more

[serene sage]

maybe shorten the barrel

[bitter turtle]

oh no

😔

[serene sage]

[fading grove]

what would you change? first shotgun build

[serene sage]

I heard full bore no respite is what you want on agri

[bitter turtle]

i dont think the agri wants the manstopper/scattershot combo

[serene sage]

the perks are fine

[bitter turtle]

that's for lawbringer/kant

[fading grove]

ah makes sense

[serene sage]

agri is the bolter with extra steps

and bolter sometimes feel like revolver with extra steps

[tall torrent]

This would have been an absolute god tier roll if it was Lawbringer or kantrael

[bitter turtle]

lul

[tall torrent]

But it’s an agripinaa

[fading grove]

loool

so should I harvest it for scattershot and then put those on one of the others?

[serene sage]

wait wait that's a god roll agri

[tall torrent]

No, u can replace both blessings

[bitter turtle]

i mean you can swap manstopper and scattershot into fullbore/no respite

and its still really good

[tall torrent]

It’s still a godroll regardless

Question is

[bitter turtle]

though you lose scattershot IV but i would not trash a good gun just to get that

[tall torrent]

You’ll have to find scattershot 4 elsewhere

[serene sage]

english is hard today huh

[fading grove]

yeah I have very few blessings saved up

[bitter turtle]

ye

it is

[fading grove]

so just wondering

[bitter turtle]

😔

[serene sage]

the god emperor is telling you to play agri instead of kan

[fading grove]

I do have full bore 3 and no respite 3, think that will be an instantly better weapon?

[bitter turtle]

yes

that'sfine

manstopper and scattershot dont make sense on an agri

you're hitting 1 dude

[fading grove]

sad to lose the Scattershot 4, my eyes went big when I saw itlol

[bitter turtle]

ya that's the only tragedy

if you really have zero interest you can harvest it

but its kinda sad to lose a good gun just to harvest the talent

[fading grove]

well I liked playing it so I'll keep it and just build a few others and hopefully get it back. I have interest in the fire one, not necessarily the lawbringer but never tried so who knows

[serene sage]

Just take the slug out for a run

And see how you feel

[fading grove]

yeah I've changed the blessings now so I'll se

[midnight totem]

I'd have kept the scattershot, swapped other for full bore

Imagine how quickly you could mulch a boss with that

[gilded wraith]

Ryven or some such has a video on it. Scattershot is/was wierd with the slug.

[midnight totem]

Weirdness with slug aside, if you're mag dumping it's fine, no?

[gilded wraith]

Anyone know how many stacks of fire a Kantrael apply per special ammo shot? Will two shots get you to the burn cap?

[fiery lagoon]

Is this ok or should I change anything

[modest sapphire]

does the smoke grenade; a) break melee line of sight meaning they stop targeting you, b) melee won't lock on but if they've already seen you they won't stop, c) none of the above

assuming youre standing in the smoke

[serene sage]

none of the above

[serene sage]

erm I think the kantrael wants scattershot flechette/manstopper?
this could have been a perfect agri shotty though

[forest scaffold]

probably not the most coherent build around

but I'll give it a whirly bird college try

hmm

[forest scaffold]

better

[rich plinth]

This one should be able to push over breakpoints, right?
Even though chargerate and thermal resistance are suboptimal

[fiery lagoon]

is it still serviceable though?

[gilded wraith]

Okay back to the kantrael/flechette build... deadshot increase crit which helps proc flechette... but also seems to reduce the horizontal hit area of the shot so less enemies impacted. Very annoying.

[gusty grail]

I think the Agripina edges out other braced autos for damage

More ammo, more damage, axe cleaves brusers/dreg melee heads

[forest scaffold]

Maniac, Carapace, Unyielding, Elites, Unarmored, and Flak will allow you hit BPs yes

mix and match your perks based on your tree

maniac is something you always want though

[left comet]

what's a good horde clear melee?

[forest scaffold]

Power Sword, both combat axes, both chainswords

both shovels

both chainaxes

basically everything but the two combat knives

[frank ether]

the new knife feels to me like a bit of a missed opportunity

its close to being really good

the first heavy in the heavy attack chain is a cleave

I think it just needs heavy 2 to also be a big cleave attack

Its a lot less carpal tunnel than the old knife and I really like it, but I'd be lying to say it has meaningful cleave

[fading grove]

funny that earlier I posted what would've been a perfect kant/law build and then they post what would be a perfect agri build. Oh emperor...

[stiff pasture]

this was on auric maelstrom

we had three shout vets

two with plasma and me with the revolver

and a zealot

it was glorious

not a single one of us went down

[frank ether]

what am I looking at install scoreboard

[stiff pasture]

bruh im on geforce now

[frank ether]

rip

[stiff pasture]

if i could i would

[teal abyss]

Chainaxes are usable for horde clear but I’d never call them “good” at it lol the only thing the new one does good for hordes is the basic light attack and it has too much knockback on it to be good, you end up sending poxers and groaners staggering to the left or right and then they get up and spread out making horde clear much worse

[frank ether]

uh... chainaxe shreds anything and everything lmao

[teal abyss]

Tell that to mine in damnation then lmao? I have headtaker and slaughterer so if anything it should be good at it but I still end up sending them staggering way more then I kill

The Chainsword much better

[forest scaffold]

uh

I oneshot poxwalkers and groaners with chainaxe

duhfuq

[teal abyss]

OG or new? I don’t use the old

[forest scaffold]

chainaxe for reference

[gusty grail]

One per swing?

[forest scaffold]

no

like 4 per swing

[teal abyss]

Yeah I’m talking about the new one

[gusty grail]

Hmmm

[forest blaze]

it can

[frank ether]

here is a maelstorm game

[forest scaffold]

this isn't vet specific

[frank ether]

yes auric damnation maelstorm

[forest scaffold]

all you need is headtaker/slaughterer

and just a few hits/kills will get you there

[gusty grail]

Revolver?

[forest blaze]

if you want the horde clear on chainaxe without yeeting dudes everywhere, you'll take headtaker or slaughterer. Keep in mind that it'll make your weapon not as good against crushers/monstrosities but it'll work well vs hordes.

[forest scaffold]

regardless of vet or zealot

[teal abyss]

Hey man if you can get it to work for you more power to ya thing feels like dog shit to me

[forest blaze]

I agree

Yep

Thrust/Thunderous + Bloodletter is my go to currently

Bloodletter is basically a guarantee imo

16 bleed stacks and you can special cancel? let's go

[frank ether]

I want to try that sometime but rng gods won't let me

my good chaxe roll has slaughterer/ht on it and it works

[gusty grail]

I enjoy my combat axe killing 5 brusers with one light attack

[forest blaze]

rashad moments

[gusty grail]

Not unique

[forest scaffold]

negative

You NEED the blessings up

even on vet

[gusty grail]

Pretty sure I counted 5

[frank ether]

I actually don't want to rizz up chaxe so much in public

like

[forest scaffold]

Unless you wanna like

[frank ether]

why do I need to convince people its good

[forest scaffold]

light attack them 🤮

[forest blaze]

New chainaxe is actually pog af

[frank ether]

more power to me if just I use it

[forest scaffold]

and I'm not running flak/unarmored on a chainaxe

to get the natural light attack one-shots on bruisers

[frank ether]

I have flak/maniac but unarmored is not a bad idea either

unyielding also considerable but nah

[forest scaffold]

you need unarmored on both rashad and antax to get the scab bruiser oneshot which is pain

[teal abyss]

I’m not saying it’s shit all around lol I literally only said it’s “usable” in horde clear but doesn’t excel at it it’s not like I’m insulting your boyfriend or something lmao

[forest scaffold]

that or decimator

or a critical hit

[forest blaze]

Flak/Maniac + Unarmored
Thunderous/Thrust + Bloodletter
Chainaxe 12

[frank ether]

I wasnt referring to you

[forest scaffold]

Bro

literally every melee weapon in the game excels at horde clear now

you're fucking cracked out of your mind on meth if you can't see that

The exception to that is combat knives

[forest blaze]

a little aggressive on that lmao

[forest scaffold]

but even dueling swords do great at horde clear

[tall torrent]

Just harvested a 549 rated Rashad

25% carapace
5% crit chance
BM4 (modded)
AoN4

[frank ether]

I fucking love dueling sword

[tall torrent]

Harvested AoN4

[teal abyss]

The weapon that limply slaps poxwalkers and groaners to the side instead of killing them in one quick heavy or powered up light (like my Chainsword does) doesn’t bro I don’t know what to tell you

[tall torrent]

Could not salvage it, sad

[frank ether]

maybe your chaxe roll needs work

we can help with that you know

[teal abyss]

I meant powered as in like charged with a blessing not revved

[forest blaze]

idk my chaxe one shots most poxies on light headshots without any blessings up.

[forest scaffold]

I straight up don't know what to tell you if you can't manage the chainsword in hordes

[forest blaze]

if I body shot them it'll send them but that's nbd

[forest scaffold]

Literally just don't be bad at the game or something

because its not a weapon issue

[frank ether]

yes my chaxe makes things fly across the map and those things are usually already dead

[teal abyss]

I have headtaker and slaughterer literally just to make up for the shit horde clear and I still end up taking chip damage way more often than I ever do using a Chainsword or Dclaw, it definitely is a weapon issue lmao

[frank ether]

It adds to my enjoyment ragdolls are funny

[forest blaze]

nah it's fine

[forest scaffold]

chainaxe is a weapon of patience

[forest blaze]

I would like to see the base unarmored damage for chaxe go up a touch

[forest scaffold]

and it asks you to use push attacks

because oh shit

power buffs push strength

[tall torrent]

I think chainaxe is fine rn? But I wish it had smth like brutal momentum

[forest scaffold]

It REALLY doesn't need it

[frank ether]

Its fine it rly doesnt need more power

[forest blaze]

brutal momentum would be craaaazy but I'd still probably not use that blessing

[frank ether]

already oneshotting stuff once you get it going

[tall torrent]

It has ok-ish horde clear

[frank ether]

the only weakness of chaxe for me is

it has shit mobility

just like ps

[tall torrent]

I hate that aspect too

[forest blaze]

yah the dodge distance is kinda shit

[tall torrent]

So I’m running infiltrate + low profile for it

[forest blaze]

that's np tho when you smack nerds out of the way with it

[frank ether]

you can kinda remedy it with the weapon spec keystone but I don't like keystones

[tall torrent]

If I’m not gonna get hit by 90% enemies I don’t need as good dodges

[gusty grail]

BM limit is 4 after the first hit so 5

[frank ether]

I'm running chaxe on a grenade vet build

[forest blaze]

I do chaxe + weapon spec + plasma + voc and it fucks

[forest scaffold]

blatantly overpowered, at this point.

Everyone wants power sword/combat axe

without realizing how unhealthy that is for the game

[forest blaze]

I take voc for a similar reason you take it with PS6 (outside of VOC being downright awesome).

[stiff pasture]

imma be honest i miss the og brutal momentum but i understand why it was changed

[forest scaffold]

and then get ragebaby about nerfs

Thank GOD fatshark ignores this community

[green sage]

Has anyone been having problems with the Plasma gun lately? Cause sometimes, when I use it, it'll fire but the blast animation doesn't play. It kind of just jiggles awkwardly and whatever I'm shooting at dies.

[forest scaffold]

its blatantly overpowered is what it is

[tall torrent]

It’s a bug

[stiff pasture]

that happens sometimes

[gusty grail]

It's great on Ogrn folding shovel lol

[ebon umbra]

munitorium supply issues. this is playing as intended

bad plugs

[gritty swallow]

happens everytime i fire more than once

[green sage]

I see.

Thanks.

[quick moth]

Zeal Zealot just feels like the way worse version of Voice Veteran at this point. Eviscerator is even kinda garbage compared to power sword with PC4 and bromentum 4.

[forest scaffold]

Its been a bug since the game came out

as an FYI

so I don't think its gonna be fixed any time soon

You're still doing the damage

just no visuals

[tall torrent]

Not tac axes tho

[forest scaffold]

Heavy Sword 9 killing 6 ragers per swing

fair and balanced

Giving Heavy Swords BM Lite baked into the weapon

and then deathblow

is pain

[forest scaffold]

Heavy Swords automatically ignore cleave mechanics on a oneshot kill for the first target, so its like having Brutal Momentum but with a cap of 2 instead of 4

so heavy swords get 6 targets out Deathblow instead of 4

[quick moth]

You can easily light spam crushers to death with the PS with it if you've got PS4 too. Yeah it's pretty ridiculous.

[forest scaffold]

No

unfortunately

[tall torrent]

It was hilarious

[teal abyss]

The biggest thing that bugs me about the plasma gun is when you spam try to shoot at high heat and your guy just hits that little switch to instantly vent some heat lol so dumb to me that you have to manually vent it and take toughness damage but randomly he’ll just be like “oop time to hit the switch” is there a lore reason with the plasma guns or something

[tall torrent]

Man stopper bug made every cleave weapon hilarious

[forest scaffold]

plasma guns shoot hot plasma at the user

instead of blowing up

because killing meat is fine

because the imperium of man has literally infinite meat

but their access to technology is limited at best

so plasma guns vent the hot plasma onto the user

instead of blowing up

[midnight totem]

The imperium has access to great tech

We just don't get it

[teal abyss]

Yeah I get that im just saying why doesn’t he just hit the little instant vent switch all the time instead of making us blast ourself with heat to vent it normally lol

[forest scaffold]

No

No it doesn't

They're reliant on technology they don't understand

with machines that print out that tech in a way they don't understand

STCs are literally more valuable than the whole of the imperium of mankind

[midnight totem]

Doesn't mean it's not great tech

Refractor fields?

[forest scaffold]

Every single man, woman, child, ship, dreadnaught, and titan

[stiff pasture]

void shields

[forest scaffold]

is worth less than an STC

[quick moth]

The Revolver is an impeccable slug gun at least which are supposed to be crude and shitty 🤷‍♂️

[stiff pasture]

hot take

revolvers are the cowboy's katana

[forest scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

they're also terrible weapons

the last thing I want is a firearm with no safety

[quick moth]

I'm just saying it functions basically as a bolt pistol and the lore is off

[forest scaffold]

I'd take a glock 17 over a revolver any day of the week

[quick moth]

Yes that's real life and not a video game with crushers and maulers or straight congo lines of shotgunners lol

[gusty grail]

My friend is all excited about Tac Axe 2

But I don't get it

[quick moth]

IN DT, it's supposed to be kinda ass, but it isn't 🤷‍♂️ it essentially performs as a hotshot/bolt pistol would

[gusty grail]

DT revolver shoots Mobian Steel

[quick moth]

Like a hot knife through butter. Yeah.

[quaint valve]

good? trash?

[frank ether]

I'd put flak or maniac instead of weakspot

then replace bloodletter with headtaker

but maybe you might want to keep bloodletter 4 for unlocking it later, Idk

[quick moth]

The damn power sword is too good with bromentum and PC4. That's more of the issue with vet weapons. Mutie runs in? Hit him with light spam and he dies too.

Chain animations leave you too vulnerable, don't do anywhere enough damage, and take forever

[stiff pasture]

im pretty sure its more or less the same with the chainsowrd

heavy special attack usually oneshots muties

[quick moth]

Animation has to play which leaves you vulnerable

[frank ether]

Idk chainaxe killings elites with a single light attack rev

doesn't sound like not enough damage to me

I don't see how they can buff it further

[quick moth]

The new shovel's stick animation isn't very long and it's really effective

[stiff pasture]

a bit, but thats where game sense comes in

[frank ether]

I'm somewhat certain with chaxe at least

that if you light attack rev a mutie in the weakspot

it should one shot

that is assuming you have power blessings stacked

I agree its a bit of a gamesense thing

[thorny mirage]

Lads, what keystone do yall recomend for a stealth/crit build

[midnight totem]

Weapon specialist is the go to, I think

[frank ether]

the grenade keystone

[thorny mirage]

Current build i use, idk how to take it in one pic

[gusty grail]

Invis ult 😵‍💫

[gritty swallow]

is stealth good on vet?

[thorny mirage]

ive only done a couple of round with it but its quite fun

[frank ether]

you have no toughness damage resist

[gritty swallow]

ive only ever seen zealots using it but thats neat

[thorny mirage]

dont need it if i dont get hit

[frank ether]

if you make a mistake on this build you'll melt

instantly

[quaint valve]

it works but its tough to run, have to be on point

[gritty swallow]

high risk high reward or just high risk?

[midnight totem]

Yes

[quaint valve]

high risk, but fun if you like that gameplay

[frank ether]

stealth is low risk

its an on demand survival button

[midnight totem]

It's very good rezzing people too

[frank ether]

If you make a build with zero toughness DR talents thats a choice you make but that doesn't mean stealth is high risk

[quaint valve]

I mean you cant take as much of a hit if you do get hit

seems like more risk in that sense, but yeah you can run away to supplement the no DR

[frank ether]

yes and also doing objectives safely on your own

[half wigeon]

worth ?

[midnight totem]

By the way, using grenades is different while stealthed

[tall torrent]

that's thunderous + bloodletter right?

[midnight totem]

Rolling them doesn't break stealth, throwing them will

[frank ether]

nah actually you just needs slaughterer+headtaker which is the good part

[tall torrent]

that needs u to stay in the rev tho?

[frank ether]

you need to light attack rev the mutie in the head

[tall torrent]

thunderous + bloodletter can dodge cancel and still kill I think?

[frank ether]

for normal rev you can one shot regardless

[midnight totem]

I've saved people surrounded by packs of maulers and ragers by tossing a grenade in before stealth, or stealthily in closer and rolling a grenade first

[frank ether]

chaxe light revs are very fast

and they will stunlock most things

[tall torrent]

are u talking mk4 or mk12

[frank ether]

old one

[tall torrent]

ah ok

[frank ether]

I havent bothered making the new one yet

old chaxe you just stack enough power

[tall torrent]

am using mk12, prefer the moveset

[frank ether]

when a mutie charges at me I can just shout and light attack its face, it will die.

[midnight totem]

Mk12 is def better for elites

Easily overhead heavy swing too, hits hard even without revving

[frank ether]

yeah well attack patterns are down to preference

I prefer the new old chainaxe

they did a very good job fixing it

fatshark should feel proud about that, one of the worst dogwater weapons and now its auric maelstorm viable

[tall torrent]

Would u say both chainaxes are A tier worthy

Or more like A-

[midnight totem]

I haven't used them enough to make a judgement

[frank ether]

A tier sounds about right

they're solid but lack mobility

and take some ramping up

I'd imagine it would be even better on zealot's innate mobility

[tall torrent]

Yk I’ve come around on smth

For axes

That need headtaker stacks built-up to reach optimal performance

Agile engagement is extremely good

[frank ether]

oh yes

and on your way to agile there is a %10 melee node

[tall torrent]

Cuz agile engagement just gives u full headtaker stack dmg (5% x5 = 25%) for 5s so u maintain the breakpoints the whole entire time

[frank ether]

absolutely

its a mini keystone in itself

another way you can avoid waiting to charge it up is by just shouting

[tall torrent]

My current best performing loadout is this one, Rashad axe with either helbore or plasma

[frank ether]

since there are many ability modifiers that are 5 to 10 second damage steroids

marksman , cq killzone, fte etc

[scenic bronze]

I feel like pox burster damage is arbitrary, sometimes they explode next to me and only take my toughness, while 10 meters away I explode bigger than drukari tuesday

[tall torrent]

Depends on how much toughness u have

If u have overshield + iron will, u take way less dmg

[thorny mirage]

using voice of command without the revive feels wrong to me

[frank ether]

depends a lot on toughness and how much DR you stacked

with a solid voc build you absolutely can tank the whole thing

[hollow ibex]

Meta is without revive…

[frank ether]

the cooldown nerf is against the idea of voc playstyle

[thorny mirage]

Screw the meta, gotta help my homies out

[scenic bronze]

Damage increase on range by chance?

[frank ether]

its all about spamming it to get yellow toughness and proc ability modifiers

and the large AoE stun

[hollow ibex]

You help them out by making sure they don’t even get downed

[frank ether]

^

[thorny mirage]

tell that to the zealots i keep getting

[tall torrent]

I gave MG12 another go

[frank ether]

if you murder all of your enemies they can't even think about hurting your pug teammates

[tall torrent]

I think it needs a buff

Have it be able to penetrate 1 normal target

Like a helbore

[frank ether]

you know I think that might be the buff infantry las needs

a little more pen

well for mg12 specifically

[crude fiber]

I think it can pen 1 groaner?

[forest scaffold]

I wonder if fatshark is ever gonna buff the shredder autopistol

[tall torrent]

Yea but we kinda don’t care abt just penetrating groaner

[forest scaffold]

they skyrocketed literally everything else around it

[gritty swallow]

I'm new to vet and annoyed at thebug with plasma, anyone got a fun gun to recommend?

[forest scaffold]

and obliterated pinning fire

Hmm

no

[tall torrent]

Mk2 revolver

[forest scaffold]

Opposite direction

[thorny mirage]

Bolter

[tall torrent]

[forest scaffold]

When is fatshark gonna nerf all the shit they buffed through the roof

[gritty swallow]

which perks and blessings?

[frank ether]

maybe. Well we had rumors of recons getting buffed and it never happened so fatshark giveth or fatshark taketh away depending on how they feel

[gritty swallow]

which perks and blessings?

[crude fiber]

The problem is the always double or triple nerf things

[tall torrent]

Carapace perk
Hand cannon blessing
Other two can honestly be whatever, but surgical blessing is preferred

[frank ether]

Honestly I kinda understand why they are hesitant to buff certain weapons

[forest scaffold]

I'm just sad because IAGs completely outclass the SAP in every single way

[frank ether]

both shredder and recon were silly when they were good

as in

[thorny mirage]

Damage against Maniacs and Unyielding works great for me, idk about blessings

[frank ether]

very low skill floor

[forest scaffold]

and the SAP is actually just fucking awful now

Turns out, it was riding on pinning fire being nuts

[frank ether]

I think having low skill floor options be S tier is bad for the game

[forest scaffold]

it itself wasn't good

[frank ether]

as we've seen with assail

[hollow ibex]

Bolter isn’t that fun anymore imo. Sounds and looks cool but the recoil and sway is very frustrating

[forest scaffold]

just use it with executioner's stance

Then it has no recoil

[gritty swallow]

ah gotcha ty

[frank ether]

shredder needs to at least be on par with ciag on very close range imo

[forest scaffold]

Like

its a one trick pony now

hyper big dmr

[frank ether]

like if stuff is in my face I should be able to melt it

[forest scaffold]

Why would you use it over revolver? I don't really know

but that's Fatshark's problem to fix, not mine.

[hollow ibex]

I need the VOC crutch

[frank ether]

honestly I think its better with VoC focus mark combo

[crude fiber]

I ran recon las yesterday and it's definitely an ammo dump but still usable

[forest scaffold]

Exe Stance basically doubles your effective dps

[frank ether]

you end up with a build thats melee capable and still has bolter

[forest scaffold]

due to removing recoil from guns

If you're willing to just "one weapon" a match

bolter+exe is the way to go

[frank ether]

I dont rly think recoil is bad if you're adsing

and using deadshot

also helps

my idea is to go for crit oneshots on elites

that way bolters weakness on ammo effectiveness is also somewhat compensated

since you get higher value out of each shot

[swift ingot]

I’ll use exe stance when Nurgle takes a bath, VoC for life

[frank ether]

this is like one of those preference arguments but I rly think people who are sad about bolter

should try the surgical-deadshot route

[midnight totem]

Nurgle always takes a bath

In filth

[forest scaffold]

still trying to find a ranged weapon I like with this loadout

[midnight totem]

You now must use executioner stance

[forest scaffold]

and I STILL need to find a perfect plasma gun

[willow canyon]

Is the stealth move for veteran worth using?

[midnight totem]

You never specified what kind of bath

[forest scaffold]

might just use this and call it a day

at least its different

[hollow ibex]

It’s pretty bad imo

[forest scaffold]

I'm kinda bored of plasma gun/revolver

[swift ingot]

No I’m moving the goal post, now I’ll do it when Khorne goes to anger management

[ivory forum]

if you want to play stealth play zealot

[willow canyon]

I was thinking the same thing because it doesn’t give any dmg buffs like zealots

[forest scaffold]

and IAGs/Brautos just don't feel great to use because of their ammo pools

[torn needle]

Hadron why

[frank ether]

Its ok

VoC is better

[hollow ibex]

it also forces you to take other bad nodes

[forest scaffold]

gamble on purple

dew it

sorry

gold

[hollow ibex]

Like smoke

[forest scaffold]

I can't into color

[frank ether]

smoke and speed aura are problematic yeah

[midnight totem]

Khorne destroyed a planet recently in realspace that was his anger management

[willow canyon]

I just skip smoke and use the flak

[torn needle]

It's totally fine if I get bm4 or pc4 right?

[forest scaffold]

fuck it

I'm just gonna use the MG1a because it matches my outfit

[radiant arch]

the one nice thing about smoke is if your team dies alot its a free revive on them

[forest scaffold]

mg1a for reference

[frank ether]

so are frag grenades though

[radiant arch]

depends on the difficulty

[frank ether]

is this gonna be yet another gunners are op talk

[radiant arch]

but yea nades are generally more useful

[barren cave]

Is inferno good for any guns?

[gusty grail]

Garia Braced doesn't require the 25% extra ammo trait

[forest scaffold]

also, I highly suggest ALL of you break the mold

[gusty grail]

And it's braced fire is fun

[forest scaffold]

and learn how to get good at the game

and start using the chainaxe

instead of crutching on shit skills

DEW IT

[stiff pasture]

i swear to god i fucking hate zealots

[forest scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-family-spray-squirt-annoyed-irritated-gif-4445288

[frank ether]

thats hot

[forest scaffold]

stop it

no class hate

[swift ingot]

Infernus is good on the mk2 Laspistol

[gusty grail]

Zelot are literally pointless as a class

[forest scaffold]

stopitstopitstopit

[frank ether]

I'd make a boss nuke build with that chaxe puri

[stiff pasture]

we had a knife zealot set off the daemonhost when they went the other way

[willow canyon]

What.

[stiff pasture]

and cost us the run right before the finale

[willow canyon]

I think this guy is high

[gusty grail]

What is the zelot for

[stiff pasture]

and this is while we're dealing with a horde

[willow canyon]

Melee class?

[forest scaffold]

Shield of Contempt, Stacking Toughness Damage reduction from martyrdom, bleed for the emperor

[stiff pasture]

motherfucker saw and heard the thing

[gusty grail]

Ogrn better

[forest scaffold]

zealot's effective HP and Toughness is much higher than veteran's

Voice of Command is just OP

[frank ether]

meanwhile zealot solo'ing twins hm

[stiff pasture]

was told specifically to come back here to avoid setting it off

[forest scaffold]

and needs to be nerfed into the ground

[frank ether]

useless class btw

[forest scaffold]

it should merely function as 50 more tougnness

[stiff pasture]

and the fucking moron refuses and sets them off

[forest scaffold]

not an unbreakable overshield that always protects HP

[gilded kernel]

fellas is this not a bitchin shovel

[gusty grail]

So Zelot is good because vet is better?

[frank ether]

Its the other two abilities that are meh

you get a worse version of zealot stealth and executioner has been nerfed in 10 ways

[forest scaffold]

No, they're fine.

VoC is just blatantly overpowered

in every sense of the word

[willow canyon]

No.zealot is a more melee oriented class and has better perks for melee dmg

[forest scaffold]

Exe Stance and Stealth are, holy shit, balanced.

[frank ether]

meanwhile zealots literally permanently invisible

but sure

veteran gets to live so its overpowered

[stiff pasture]

the stance thing is pretty good for shooter control

[forest scaffold]

VoC just makes them seem way worse than they actually are because they don't make you literally invulnerable

[low oar]

I think stealth needs less nodes. Like the 90% threat thing should be baked in

[stiff pasture]

i like the abilities as they are

[low oar]

Base stealth is dookie

[frank ether]

why do I need stance to kill squishy gunners?

I don't

[stiff pasture]

i mean the smaller ones

[gusty grail]

Ogrn can 1 shot 4 Crushers, it's a better class

[frank ether]

yes

[serene bough]

Stealth is good

[low oar]

I use executioners to do plasma shenanigans

[stiff pasture]

it marks them out and you can take them out pretty handily

[serene bough]

Exe stance is completely irrelevant

[frank ether]

they die if you look at them a bit too intensely

^

The only purpose it serves is weapon swap and help with some breakpoints

[stiff pasture]

i just think its funny to set it off and let columnus go brrrrr

[gusty grail]

Exe stance is good if you don't know how to ping

[frank ether]

lmao

[willow canyon]

Can ogryn supply your entire team with 100 extra toughness??

[calm prairie]

theres a simple fix to that

[frank ether]

the ability that pings for you is good if you know how to ping?

Some of you have really questionable takes

[willow canyon]

And zealot can do the same thing 💀

[frank ether]

yes voc is on the verge of OP and its competition is a glorified weapon swap button and a worse version of zealot stealth

[gusty grail]

Ogrns have better damage residence and better ranged weapons

[frank ether]

when you put it in context

[serene bough]

Which weapon benefits the most from breakpoints w/ exe stance

[frank ether]

If you put an S tier ability next to F tier ones

yes it will look overpowered

[tall torrent]

MG12

That’s like, it

[serene bough]

That's pretty bad then

[willow canyon]

bro…zealot is a melee class its pretty obvious that other classes that ARENT melee are going to have better guns

[low oar]

Vet stealth would be way better if more nodes were just intrinsic

[frank ether]

helbores and infant las maybe

[tall torrent]

Helbore doesn’t need exe

[gusty grail]

Ogrn is better at melee than zelot.

[tall torrent]

Except maybe hb3

[frank ether]

hb3 does

Its awful without hitting breakpoints

[willow canyon]

And ogryns have a ranged oriented move,zealots don’t

[willow canyon]

they both can one shot 💀

[gusty grail]

Yeah cuz Zelots are pointless

Not as good at range or melee vs Ogrn

[willow canyon]

Exactly like what?

[calm prairie]

have you guys used the new shovel it got

oh speed ya

[willow canyon]

I’m m pretty sure the only reason you said “ogryns can one shot 4 crushers” is because you just threw the handheld nuke

[serene bough]

Idk about 1a but mk4 doesn't benefit much from exe stance

[willow canyon]

otherwise I haven’t seen an ogryn 1 shot 4 crushes with melee or a gun

[frank ether]

I mean spammable invis and damage steroid is pretty busted to me

[gusty grail]

BM shovel will clear horde with ease then fold to 1 shot multiple Damnation crusher

[frank ether]

If you want to do objectives, revives etc vet stealth has value

but thats hardly overpowered

[willow canyon]

Zealot can do the same thing

[brisk oxide]

Ogryn feels very weak in melee to me

[gusty grail]

Zelot 1 shots multiple crushers with what

[serene bough]

I use stealth vet for ranged threats usually

[willow canyon]

I can just use the thunder hammer and clear a horde then power the hammer up and one shot any special enemies

[serene bough]

The threat reduction basically makes you invisible to gunners for 10sec

[frank ether]

Yea it can serve as gapcloser

I prefer using it as toughness reset

[serene bough]

Easily let's you string headshots

Yeah toughness reset is good too

[willow canyon]

Maybe because Ogryns have hand held nukes 💀💀💀

[gusty grail]

Thunder Hammer is doo-doo vs hordes

And it only kills one target

[willow canyon]

WHAT!

[brisk oxide]

Agreed. Killing things is the best CC

[willow canyon]

You’ve never played zealot

💀💀💀

[gusty grail]

Compared to Ogrn folding shovel with BM

[gritty swallow]

bro this bug on plasma is toxic lol

[frank ether]

ogryn melee is good if you consider its a class with uh... 600 hp?

[serene sage]

the plasma nerf we have all been waiting for

[frank ether]

also shield heavies

kinda silly

[willow canyon]

Thunder hammer without power up has wide crowd control swings( just like ogrn)

[willow canyon]

Exactly

[gritty swallow]

spooky ghost shots

[frank ether]

It doesnt melee as fast as zealot or vet but can you fucking imagine if it did

[serene sage]

leave it to FS for the most creative ways to nerf a weapon

[frank ether]

why play anything else at that point

[willow canyon]

Of course the big guy with 600 hp and walking tank with hand held miniguns and nukes

Is gonna be better than your avarage zealot

[frank ether]

yes ogy skill floor is rly rly low

[gusty grail]

So you agree ogrn is better IDK what this discussion is about

[frank ether]

your average player will be much better playing ogy than anything else

[willow canyon]

Bro…he just told you that ogryns have worse weapons

[serene sage]

well shield seems decent to me, and the rumbler

[willow canyon]

And ofryns skill floor is really low,like plush said

[serene sage]

that said I fking the class lmao

[gritty swallow]

i mean they are the meta for twins so they cant be that bad lol

[serene sage]

play them and playing with them

[gritty swallow]

stubber melts twins

[frank ether]

zealot is an absolute menace I was just thinking I'll go back to playing some zealot

with the new chaxe buffs

I want like a chaxe-brrauto zealot

[serene sage]

the bug abusing one or legit?

[gusty grail]

New Shovel with wide sweeping heavies and BM applying bleeds I'm not sure how that's a "worst weapon" when it clears hordes with ease and then folds up to 1 shot multiple Damnation crushers

[serene sage]

oh okay so not the stealth cheese

[gritty swallow]

where are you getting that data? not sarcasm actually curious

[willow canyon]

Same thing with zealot

[gusty grail]

Again, what zelot weapon will kill multiple crushers with one hit

Please tell me

[terse idol]

That just ain't indicative of the entire game

[gusty grail]

Yawn

[terse idol]

1 hardmode assignment that may as well be limited time

[serene sage]

they should remove Ogryns

[willow canyon]

Alr tell me how you did? Cuz the shovel one shot is only single target and most likely you were playing in a team and the crusher were already low so it seemed like you one shot

[serene sage]

i hate em

[terse idol]

Oh whew

[gusty grail]

If it was about "kills per second" then why have I never ever (EVER) seen a Zelot top the scoreboard in any match I've played

[terse idol]

Still not a very good indicator of ogyry

Being good

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/racist-thats-racist-dats-racist-gif-5036293

[gusty grail]

Brutal Momentum

[serene sage]

they literally abhumans bro

they ain't normal

[tall torrent]

My hot take
Ogryn’s skill floor is so low the only thing u rly have to learn is to not position yourself directly in front of your veterans 98% the time

[serene sage]

okay that sounds a little racist

[wanton dawn]

I managed melee 10 flak ragers without shout

[serene sage]

kinda tepid

[wanton dawn]

Now let's do 15

[willow canyon]

Mmmkay so what’s stopping me from putting brutal momentum on my hammer and doing the same thing to 4 crushers??

[hollow ibex]

It definitely is when they are in the service of the emperor!

[gusty grail]

I had a Zelot player tell me in this chat that he likes zelot because he can ult and then shoot his gun which will crit thus filling his ult up again so he can ult again. Like most Zelot lovers his affinity to the class was based on ignorance

[brisk sapphire]

Ogryn shovel special can hit multiple targets

Vets is single target

[serene sage]

well listen, I like them the same way the zealot likes the psyker okay

I especially despite the omg ogryns are always good and whole some cliche

[gusty grail]

Likely the lack of the Brutal Momentum blessing on power hammers

[serene sage]

like shut the fuck up

not you azreal i was continuing another train of thoughts

[gusty grail]

Mid numbers tbh

[willow canyon]

Bro…every class has a way to refill there move by doing the specific things

[gusty grail]

Vets ogrns and Psyker can get 800

[serene sage]

post your own scoreboard bro, im curious

[hollow ibex]

Smh slab lives matter

[gusty grail]

Which I'm sure you would have saved an 800k game

Wow look at all those elites in your malestrom games

[terse idol]

Lie to win the argument

That's incredible

[serene sage]

I meant it's entirely possible to get 800k damage

[brisk sapphire]

Can get a mill even

[serene sage]

but they are acting like they get that every game

[willow canyon]

800k dmg

[terse idol]

I mean if you like

Go as slow as possible

[serene sage]

I've seen Darcy getting 1M damge 2 games in a row

[terse idol]

And farm kills yeag

2m

Ai director goes a little wacky

[brisk sapphire]

Never seen 2M

[terse idol]

I mean at that point you're soloing the game

[wanton dawn]

I have a scoreboard with 1 millions overkill damage

And back to 30 ragers

[low oar]

Last auric maelstrom, I hit like 1.1mil because plasma shenanigans and a fuck load of dead elites

[terse idol]

Crazy

[serene bough]

Whos better than who

I did 800k once

[low oar]

My overkill damage was higher than everyone else's damage

[low oar]

Is overkill damage included in the damage stat?

[gilded kernel]

whats overkill dmg

[south garnet]

You're talking about me and I already told you I'm primarily a vet player

[wanton dawn]

To be fair, the only game I got 1 million overkill i was taken hostage by teammates

and the game went for too long

[south garnet]

You also ignored the rest of my larger point at the time, which was yesterday (lmao), which I was gracious enough to ignore for the sake of saving us both time

[flint garden]

when you shoot a poxwalker with a charged plasma

[gilded kernel]

can it only be applied via ranged weapon?

[serene bough]

woo scoreboards

big numbers bigger dopamine

[serene sage]

average is like 30 min no? not everyone is as fast as you are bruh

[wanton dawn]

Here ya go. This was limbsplitter bayonet shenanigan

[flint garden]

melee prob counts too

[serene sage]

am I crazy or most games are like 30 mins?

[willow canyon]

Idk man I can brainlesssly play ogryn and not even have my toughness broken

[serene bough]

lmao that overkill damage

[willow canyon]

There like 16-35 mins

[serene bough]

mine end up being around 40 minutes

[serene sage]

yeah but most people don't have 20 mins average

[brisk sapphire]

I wish auric and maelstroms were that fast with pubs

Usually closer to 30 min

[wanton dawn]

I'd say a good pubs game is 25 min average

[gritty swallow]

is it just me or is scoreboard a poor judge of the actual game, like i just was top score but it felt like the zealot who had the lowest score was the most impactful

[delicate estuary]

you hunt for plasteel ?

[serene bough]

20s are a bit lowballing imo

unless im just slower than most players

i find myself falling between 30-40min

[delicate estuary]

we talking about normal gmaes

yea well on average I have to do most of the picking so that usually adds up on time sadly

[brisk sapphire]

I go out of my way for plasteel even on maelstrom

[delicate estuary]

otherwise 20 minutes is feasible

[serene sage]

it depends, it doesn't matter if you top the chart but the second is like a few thousands behind, but if you are doing 100-200k more, that is a lot of stuff you killed.
i think it matters if the gap is large enough.

[regal dagger]

Bouta start playing Damnation for the first time, using Veteran. Will the Accatran Mk VId Recon Lasgun work or do I need to learn bolters/plasma first?

[delicate estuary]

scores on the scoreboard are complete and utter bogus

[wanton dawn]

You don't analyze scoreboard in a vacuum. Base scoreboard does not show anything really interesting

[gritty swallow]

i feel like it should be a role score not an overall like avg against others of your class/role

[serene bough]

as long as people are within 100k or so of each other i dont care much about damage stats

[serene sage]

who wants to tell him?

[eternal sable]

dont take advice from people in this discord is proably the best advice someone can give you

[serene bough]

when some potato is 400k behind in damage thats when i begin to judge

[midnight mortar]

He doesn't know...

[willow canyon]

Prepare to be touched by every mob in the game at the same time

[serene sage]

[eternal sable]

they will suggest you use a helbore or lasgun

or some non meta garbage

[serene sage]

no they don't what

[south garnet]

Regarding the scoreboard, numbers do lack some nuance when it comes to determining player value, although numbers are information in and of themselves

[eternal sable]

just play damnation and dont listen to peoples advice in here

[wanton dawn]

Liar. I only use melee hellbore

[delicate estuary]

sure ogryn might have top DPS but it also will get 200-400 more lesser enemies killed. If yo uare about 200k damage below them then and have like way less lesser enemies killed then you know you contributed

[south garnet]

A piece of a larger puzzle

[midnight mortar]

You can try using the VId, but it won't be very pleasant.

[regal dagger]

Definitely wish I knew the in-jokes about damnation apparently

[gusty grail]

an average game then. They're is zelot 3/4 in score like normal. Like I've said, I've never seen a Zelot top score in any of my vet/ogrn games

[south garnet]

zealots living not only rent free but with comped drinks and women of the night in attendance in this dude's head kek

[midnight mortar]

The Accatran recons are in the worst position out of all vet ranged options since their nerfing into the ground.

[serene sage]

well plasma is generally stronger and easier to play than recon this patch. you are free to explore your options of course, but plasma is generally a strong choice if you want something easier to pick up (and im being serious, no jokes here)

[eternal sable]

^

see what i mean

[umbral scaffold]

Were can you find the total score?

[regal dagger]

Plasma has such a long time between pulling the trigger and firing, not as bad as bolter but it still feels bad

[gusty grail]

You say that but the guy I was discussing this with said he can do what an Ogrn can just as soon as he gets Brutal Momentum on his power hammer. The ignorance based enjoying of Zelots still stands

[serene sage]

it's a mod, friend

[delicate estuary]

bruh 💀

homie you have infinite cleave and pull that thing faster than a 9mm pistol

[umbral scaffold]

Ah okay thx. I couldn't see that from the looksXD

[delicate estuary]

[hollow ibex]

I use it like a revolver

[midnight mortar]

Typically you pair it with VoC which gives you room to draw it without issue.

[frank ether]

It rly shouldnt be

yet it somehow is

it should get helbore treatment

[midnight mortar]

And the swap speed on plasma isn't that slow.

[regal dagger]

I don't mean draw speed. I mean literally pulling the trigger

[serene sage]

dude is new, explain it to him instead of making slightly snarky comments imo

[eternal sable]

according to people in this disc you must take helbore mk 3 with exe stance

[delicate estuary]

plasma doesnt even need space to pull

LMFAO

[midnight mortar]

When you press M1?

[gusty grail]

Everyone should get it. If the scoreboard were standard 99% of knife Zelots would stop

[wanton dawn]

I have this one where the zealot popped off. 36 min smelter, non-blessed monstro

[regal dagger]

Yes. With las weapons it's an instant pull/fire. Bolters and plasma have a delay, especially when aiming

[umbral scaffold]

True on that probably XD

[eternal sable]

suggesting a bolter and plasma over a revolver

good job vet chat

[delicate estuary]

yes but also plasma has infinite cleave while having some of the fastest draw speeds in terms of ranged options

[south garnet]

I don't know what to tell you, there are plenty of players of every stripe who are ignorant of even core gameplay mechanics let alone familiar enough with FS' cryptic tooltip framework to tell what's truth, lies or ommitted completely

[umbral scaffold]

Any good ideas for Lasgun?

[midnight mortar]

I guess? It's never really been a problem for me when it comes to killing things. Its damage more than makes up for the minimal delay.

[delicate estuary]

having to wait half a second per shot is not a huge drawback

when you can yeet shots through infinite enemies

[forest scaffold]

i like chainaxe

[midnight mortar]

And I used the MG XII for over 200 hours.

[forest scaffold]

that is all. I want you to like it to.

[serene bough]

i prefer MG4

[serene sage]

well all I can say is Plasma right now is one of the most overtuned weapon in the game while the recon is generally considered the worst for harder difficulties.
if you don't want to play meta/don't like the plasma then it's fine. though I think you should give the plasma another shot.

[serene bough]

i think the best infantry las currently is the MG1a

[midnight mortar]

The plasma's firing "delay" never felt noticeable to me.

[regal dagger]

I'll start practicing more with plasma guns I suppose. Glad I asked, as I'd given up on it since it doesn't feel "right"

[forest scaffold]

i'd have maniac too

but rng

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gilded kernel]

scrumptious

[delicate estuary]

MGIA best in slot imo for infantry lasguns, MG12 doesnt reward innaccuracy and well MG4 is nice too but full auto mod is usually recommended which makes it a better recon gun atm

[wanton dawn]

Plasma is one of the best hipfire, stupid stable, stupid precise

[midnight mortar]

Are you referring to the bug maybe?

Plasma has an animation bug currently.

[delicate estuary]

yea there is no VFX for shots atm sometimes

[serene sage]

actually give the revolver a try as well

[gusty grail]

Have you soloed "Assault" yet?

[terse idol]

Left click my friend

[gusty grail]

Yeah it's in the solo mod

[umbral scaffold]

Noted thx for the info

[eternal sable]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/990298651291164762/1185202886599254136/SPOILER_SPOILER_251AF7DB-6BAA-41DA-9D4B-1F896544E3E9.gif?ex=658ec134&is=657c4c34&hm=b8f47582ee016e33f5f3c76481910490895b1ed2efe7cd1da9f8b085e338dee6&

[gusty grail]

How do you solo online

Lol

I guess

[eternal sable]

i wish you can queue solo

[delicate estuary]

private lobby

most important

part

[eternal sable]

i play at 4-5 am usually and none of my friends are on

[gusty grail]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wWDwu4UdlrA&

[eternal sable]

very

[gusty grail]

Solo mod has a special condition, I've only beat it on an ogrn

[low oar]

Is elite Resistance still a thing?

Like I've never seen it after it released

[delicate estuary]

whats the current rotation for cosmetics

[wanton dawn]

Elite resistance got probably replaced by nurgle blessed

It was kinda ass

[serene sage]

nurgle blessing is kinda dangerous now no? 4x health dog that is uninterruptable with ranged weapons?

[low oar]

Combine elite Resistance with HiSTG for a fun time

[serene sage]

or like a bunch of uninterruptable specialists?

[low oar]

The ultimate combination of bullshit

[delicate estuary]

cant wait to get all the weapons I want sorted so I can just play game instead of looking for plasteel non stop

plasteel bug?

that should answer your question

[midnight mortar]

If only we all had 60 hours a week of time for Darktide...

Then maybe we could play the game.

[delicate estuary]

ahh good days then

sadly no

but I am slowly getting all the blessings for all the weapons that are shared

only missing the class specific weapon blessings

only took like what

600 hours ?

800 hours total

good game

[frank ether]

I think that early review of darktide

sums it up perfectly

game doesn't respect your time

[delicate estuary]

nah not at all

[frank ether]

I think its unacceptable that no matter how much I grind I can't freely experiment with weapon crafting

[delicate estuary]

its an absolute stupid design

[south garnet]

Apparently there's a mod for that

[frank ether]

that I'm always at the mercy of rng dice roll

[south garnet]

Lets you add blessings/perks/etc. freely in psykanium

[frank ether]

I don't play the game for meat grinder though

[delicate estuary]

yea I am just getting some builds I want to run and then I will just chill and farm

and actually play the game

[frank ether]

I want to take weapons for a spin and then change things around based on what I feel like using that day

[south garnet]

If only

[delicate estuary]

depends how unlucky you get

[frank ether]

this is the only fucking game in existence

[delicate estuary]

can get a weapon with just 10k

[frank ether]

that adds new weapons

[delicate estuary]

or 4 million

[frank ether]

doesn't let you use them

[delicate estuary]

I have seen both

[delicate estuary]

well there is no gameplay loop currently so they have to compensate

[south garnet]

Any indication of weighted stats within that distribution?

[frank ether]

they had a damn year to work on gameplay elements

[terse idol]

Hold on hold on

Look its fine to tell people not to play meta

[south garnet]

Curious if mobility is rolled higher, it would bolster if not necessarily confirm my suspicion

[gusty grail]

If you just pick a 360 with mobility as the dumpstat your weapon will be great

[delicate estuary]

well here we are we got class rework which to be honest has breathed a lot of fresh air but I dont forsee a crafting rework till next year or after

[south garnet]

Interesting, ok

[terse idol]

You shouuld be aware though that recon is bad, 2nd you can likely finish damnation with nearly anything

But its just not a good gun

[stiff pasture]

I love my powersword and Revolver

[gusty grail]

No need to waste millions of ordos

[terse idol]

You can definetly play recon

[stiff pasture]

its got crucian Roulette and Hand cannon

[terse idol]

Nut I wouldn't recommend it

[elfin fable]

jesus christ wtf

[stiff pasture]

and it fucks

[terse idol]

I won't stop you from playing recon either

[stiff pasture]

what in the sam hell

[delicate estuary]

been running recon with exe stance and right keystone and has been feeling fine. been running the 7a

[gusty grail]

Playing Recon Las 100% shows a lack of game knowledge

[delicate estuary]

look its not the best

[terse idol]

Yeah

[delicate estuary]

but it gets the job done

[midnight mortar]

You can't separate subjectivity and objectivity like that!!! That's not fair!

[terse idol]

I mean you can do it

You can do everything if you're good enough

[delicate estuary]

it still works if you dont want to use full auto mod and cheat your way through with a MG4

[frank ether]

I was hoping it was in for a rework to make it spicier weapon as a whole

but no

nothing in the cards for recon

[south garnet]

good, recon is boring and I hope it gets nerfed again and then deleted and changed into a pity skin for the laspistol

[midnight mortar]

He's got a lot of spare time for Darktide.

[frank ether]

thats why I wanted a rework

its boring so make it more spicy

[terse idol]

All I can say is at least spread relevant information for higher tier gameplay
Lower difficulties everything works, auric damn you do need to tailor a build and weapon

Regular damn

A little bit of tailoring

[delicate estuary]

based, they should also nerf the colomnus since its the same thing

[stiff pasture]

alternatively it gets replaced with the hotshot/ volley gun

[idle swallow]

That must be nice

[frank ether]

I'm gonna be sad when ciag gets gutted

[stiff pasture]

bruh no i like my shooter shredding space m4

[delicate estuary]

no fu nallowed

[stiff pasture]

[delicate estuary]

I am surprised they didnt gut the revolver and only made small adjustments that have felt like a placebo nerf

[stiff pasture]

it takes me around 30-40 minutes to make that running maelstrom auric

[serene sage]

you must have a very willing friend to keep making lobbies for you

[stiff pasture]

why bother gutting the revolver with the reload as it is?

[gusty grail]

Running past all the enemies isn't really a good class feature in a co-op game

[terse idol]

Handcannon did slap to be fair

[frank ether]

what if we didn't had fomo balancing

[terse idol]

Solo

Pure solo

[midnight mortar]

Like I said earlier, if we all had 60 hours a week for Darktide then we might actually be able to play the game (instead of scrounging around in crafting resource hell for dozens of hours with nothing to show for it).

[gusty grail]

Just saying if that's his argument for why zelot is better than ogrn

[stiff pasture]

alternatively just nerf the crit rate then if the blessing relies on crits

[serene sage]

i think we are just talking about farming ordos

[delicate estuary]

its called pacing, and it makes the game very fun in a coop environment.

[south garnet]

tell me, are these 'zelots' in the room with us right now?

[serene sage]

they are literally next door

???

[stiff pasture]

i mean, who doesnt? and if you dont your a contrarian

[delicate estuary]

well azreal believes vets are better zealots cause of VoC and how all their melee buffs are unconditional @serene sage

[gusty grail]

I'm trying my best to think of how a zelot is tankier and does more damage than an ogrn

[delicate estuary]

which has some merit but then you are meta whoring a broken ability

[gusty grail]

But I don't see it

[frank ether]

''hey buddy I think you got the wrong door, zealot class is one block down''

[terse idol]

You gurantee crits with surgical anyways

[gusty grail]

You can one shot a crusher

[stiff pasture]

zealot is obviously better melee wisse because unlike vet zealot can regen knives by meleeing specials and get toughness back on heavy hit

[idle swallow]

AHH MY SHOULDER

[terse idol]

The only nerf revolver would need to damage to crit, but imo I think it's better now balance wise

[serene sage]

oh no I know who Azreal is what his stances are
im just saying that why would he claim that vets main means you like PS

[stiff pasture]

i just use crucian because i dont have the patience for that tbh

[serene sage]

i guess im a fraud cause I abhor that thing

[delicate estuary]

why wouldnt you like PS, you get a 6 enemy slice per swing with BM

[south garnet]

class traitor

[serene sage]

cause I simply don't like it
preferences exist

[south garnet]

CLASS TRAITOR

[gusty grail]

Ogrn will hold back a horde much better than a Zelot

[serene sage]

I'm holding the Boltgun fort down, you shut your mouth

[delicate estuary]

well while I agree gameplay optimization does not care much about fun

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-disaster-fire-gif-12899078

[frank ether]

I like it but variety is spice of life. I can't just use the same thing for 1000 hours

[stiff pasture]

HERESY

[wanton dawn]

The hell is happening here

[serene sage]

existential criyises

[delicate estuary]

bolter is perfectly good atm

[south garnet]

y-yea that'd be so w-weird haha what kind of weirdo would do that haha

[gusty grail]

"by the time that ogrn one shots a crusher I'll have used my ult to stab it in the back". Ooopoo now let me just heavy attack again to 1 shot the next crusher

[south garnet]

[wanton dawn]

That was like, 45 min ago ?

[serene sage]

how the duck you spell plural of crisis anway

crises?

[stiff pasture]

crises

[delicate estuary]

fatshark

[midnight mortar]

You need to keep in mind that Azreal's metrics for evaluating a class are it's ability to regen toughness, how quickly it can kill enemies in as many situations as possible, and their movement speed to clear missions as fast as possible. All within the context of playing solo as the benchmark.