veteran-class

[austere badger]

But I was lied to about each saw tic applying dots/brittle from the tree.

[forest blaze]

It doesn’t from the tree but it does from the blessing IIRC

[austere badger]

Hmm, makes me wonder if I should build it on zealot or vet.

[teal abyss]

Melky blessed me

[forest blaze]

This is more or less what I’m running

[austere badger]

Thrust worth it?

I was gonna go thunderous.

[forest blaze]

Imo yes but you can take thunderous or slaughterer

Thunderous increases the bleed damage as well

[forest blaze]

Swap weapon specialist for focus target vs twins

[quasi socket]

love watching a psyker trying to solo 2 bulwarks, 2 ragers, 3 shotgunners, and a flamer only to get downed, save, and sprint into the next patrol of bad head first

[austere badger]

Poor guy didn't palpatine them.

[forest blaze]

The best

[quasi socket]

well the other one was too busy exploding the whole time

[forest blaze]

I have a really good friend who does this regularly if he doesn’t have shriek

And sometimes when he does

[quasi socket]

groups like that make me wanna just play ror2 all day

[serene sage]

RoR2 is good though

[quasi socket]

yeah, and if the run goes sideways its just on me

not the psyker who died 4 times

[forest blaze]

Duhhhh

[umbral scaffold]

I love aouric sectors but damn

I need a break from farming orange gear

[serene sage]

come play

[umbral scaffold]

What'ca doing?

Also jsut got in a match

[serene sage]

quit, rn

no balls

none

zero

nada

nill

[spare mountain]

Is it worth going after this IV blessing?

[forest blaze]

Bloodletter good

Looks like you’re short on change tho

[spare mountain]

Need to grind 3k coins today to get it though ugh

I spend most of last night farming 5k

[forest blaze]

RIP

[spare mountain]

Got Savage Sweep IV for Evis, Skullcrusher IV for oggy shovels, and Blazing Spirit IV for force swords, so I can't really complain

[serene sage]

any shovel connoiseur here?

[spare mountain]

time well spent, just ugh.

[serene sage]

is this any good

[forest blaze]

Idk

[serene sage]

so called free thinkers when VoC, frag, and ammo aura exist

~~yes one of them is me ~~

[forest blaze]

Tried and true

[limber egret]

VoC bad or something?

[forest blaze]

Voc good

[limber egret]

from what i seen

seems like people are consisently saying its bad

is it actually bad combat ability?

[forest blaze]

No it’s great

Nobody is saying it’s bad

At least nobody that plays auric missions

[white minnow]

i'd trust VoC with my credit card

10/10 combat ability

[analog blaze]

Voc is great. It's easy to use and hard to mess up

[forest blaze]

The kids in sedition and malice may have a differing opinion

[umbral scaffold]

I feel like Auric sector randos do better than normal damnation randos

[old quail]

(when you remember to bring overshield)

[forest blaze]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh

[umbral scaffold]

I've had better luck with auric damn then normal

[stray storm]

What’s y’all’s opinion on the Kantrael XII Lasgun?

[umbral scaffold]

Also should I send this gun to the RNG of Hadron?

[stray storm]

Feels awful to use imo

[forest blaze]

Send it

[muted knot]

It's really kind of lost right now, everything else got buffed while it stayed behind and the reverse sage dropoff definitely doesn't help it either

It's a shame really it used to be my favorite weapon in the game

[stray storm]

Man that sucks

I have one with perfect stat balance

But even then it just feels off

[gray belfry]

which ones the kantreal again?

the middle of the road or the high RoF low damage one

[forest blaze]

The one you always get as mission rewards

[muted knot]

Like you can still use it but the problem with it is that it's fun as long as everything is going well and you can pop heads from afar but as soon as stuff starts going sideways you just fall off so hard

[gray belfry]

[muted knot]

Slow rof high damage

[tall torrent]

It’s good if you use exe stance and play with a team that can handle melee aggro while u stay back and one tap everything in the head

[stray storm]

The Latsgun with a slower rate of fire

[umbral scaffold]

What I got

[tall torrent]

But as u can see it’s a super specific playstyle

[forest blaze]

Not bad

[muted knot]

I'm still looking for a acceptable mg4

[umbral scaffold]

Swapped sprint for Cara damage

[limpid turret]

Any other main differences between these variants besides the more vertical strikes? honestly might cop the new variant if I can snag a good roll

[fleet garden]

get an mg XII

[junior grail]

I feel the new variant is easier to spam lmb

[forest blaze]

IIRC it’s just the moveset difference with the strikedowns on the new one

[muted knot]

That is explicitly not what I plan on doing

[fleet garden]

why, prefference? mg XII is better than the mg IV otherwise

[limpid turret]

i love my MG XII but someone did testing and all the infantry las have similar DPS, so it's preference

XII did the worst DPS actually but only by a small margin

[muted knot]

Cause I can spam the mg4 with full automod

[fleet garden]

ah ye I wont go there sorry

you do you

[muted knot]

MgXII actually wins in DPS with perfect headshot accuracy

[umbral scaffold]

Attack patterns

[muted knot]

All good man I appreciate the input

[bitter turtle]

omg mods

what a cheater

imagine using mods

with scopes and shit

wouldn't be me

[fleet garden]

nah I wont go into the mod or no mod debate

[bitter turtle]

:^)

[muted knot]

looks at his mods folder with like 10 mods

[fleet garden]

do w/e the f you want but stay out of my games

[forest blaze]

I don’t mod. No reason other than I’m lazy

[bitter turtle]

i need dem sights

[muted knot]

This is going in a direction I don't wanna see have a good evening

[bitter turtle]

im just shitposting 😔

[white minnow]

shush

[trail ingot]

why the f are so many vets using shotty? i feel like it defeats the purpose of the class

[fleet garden]

well

[muted knot]

Cause shotguns are pretty damn good

[gray belfry]

memes/fun/slug shotgun can still hit distance targets

[white minnow]

what purpose of the class

[fleet garden]

I used them but I preffer lasguns or columnus

[trail ingot]

then why are all the shotty vets out of ammo and on the ground

[forest blaze]

Idk. I’m cool with it if the player isn’t passive.

[muted knot]

Class purpose is gun

[bitter turtle]

i dunno

[hollow ibex]

shotguns would be pretty great.... if i could get a single fucking useful shotty blessing reeeeee

[white minnow]

cuz pub players

[gray belfry]

bad at game

[bitter turtle]

that's like half the players in the game regardless of a gun

[trail ingot]

true

[gray belfry]

im dealing with t4 terrifying/t3 full bore

[trail ingot]

specs and shooty

[bitter turtle]

as for shotguns

if you mean the kant or lawbringer one

[forest blaze]

The rule is that it doesn’t matter what you being as long as I don’t have to pick you up

[bitter turtle]

just think of it like revolver but for horde control rather than special snipping

[fleet garden]

currently im playing voc with columnus5 and psword or chainsword, right side for onslaught because its busted

but might try a shottie

[bitter turtle]

good for quickswap and fits well into weapon specialist builds

[fleet garden]

although I have like no blessings for them

[bitter turtle]

its not as good as revolver and guns for horde control are not that valued by the playerbase currently

but it has a role

[fleet garden]

I love revolvers but the reload speed kills the wep for me

[gray belfry]

whats the blessings you gun for on the kantreal shotty anyway, got a 378 one sitting in my inventory im debating throwing plasteel at

[bitter turtle]

just run weapon specialist

why do you need to reload on a revolver for vet

[fleet garden]

but I like tagging stuff

[bitter turtle]

then suffer

😔

[muted knot]

Run it with weapons specialist and just quick swap to it after every few kills

It's really fun

[forest blaze]

I do that with plasma. It’s awesome.

[bitter turtle]

even 1 kill reloads 1 boolet because it rounds up

its very

silly

[muted knot]

It's so fun tho

[trail ingot]

i will have to try it

[muted knot]

Just keep slashing away until your melee buff runs out

Pop a shot of

And go back to swinging

[fleet garden]

I preffer deep left side but voc is just so good

[bitter turtle]

you pretty much have an infinite clip until you need to shoot twice

[fleet garden]

you can just go ham into horde

[muted knot]

Ragerpack running at you ? Dump your whole cylinde

[bitter turtle]

that shoul donly happen with like maulers and crushers and shit anyway

[forest blaze]

They fixed weapon specialist saving your reload stage, right?

[final locust]

is pt 1 replayable?

[muted knot]

Honestly one of the most fun builds for chill damnation runs imo

[final locust]

all of it

[remote island]

Any thoughts on salvaging this? I have PC rank 4 and wanted to put that on it but I dont think sunder is worth it.

[muted knot]

Add Krak grenades for crushers and you are chilling

[bitter turtle]

sunder -> BM
stamina -> flak

its usable

but if you have PC4

then just

[forest blaze]

It’s not bad

[bitter turtle]

get a new sword

so you can use pc4

[forest blaze]

^^

[fleet garden]

yep new sword

[forest blaze]

Just reroll the sword and keep sunder for later

[remote island]

Very true. I may just save up more and try again

Thanks y'all

[sudden sundial]

worth?

[bitter turtle]

worth what

going to gold?

no

[sudden sundial]

ok idk what to look for

[bitter turtle]

3/3 of your rolls are bad and the weapon stats arent even that good

uncanny+decimator/limbsplitter/skullcrusher

or

[sudden sundial]

i got it as a reward

[bitter turtle]

all or nothing + take a swing but idk how good that build is, never tried it

[muted knot]

Are the old shovels still useable ?

Or are they just outclassed by folding ones ?

[remote island]

You think BM over Slaughter on Power sword?

[sudden sundial]

which is the better folding shovel?

[bitter turtle]

ngl

i use rampage still

but everyone keeps shilling BM

and i saw videos

it does in fact cleave through way more than rampage/slaughter

as long as you hit heads

[remote island]

Ah, gotcha.

[muted knot]

Well for mk6 you want BM for the funny crusher 2tap

[remote island]

Thanks again.

[bitter turtle]

i cant find it

but yeah

even at stacked rampage/slaughterer

you cleave through more as long as you hit heads with BM

as long as you're cleaving thorugh heads

with the horizontal swings of mk6 that should be easy

[remote island]

I dont believe I have a problem hitting heads in melee but I guess this is a good way to find out.

[bitter turtle]

ya

i just havent made a BM one b/c working on other weapons

PSword is already busted enough i dont care to make it more busted anyway

[junior grail]

Its strong but I wouldn't say busted

[junior grail]

Powerswprd only just recently crawled out of irrelevance

[bitter turtle]

crawled out of irrelevance is exaggerating

it was mediocre in patch 13 but still plenty usable

i was using it plenty

[junior grail]

That sounds irrelevant to me

[fleet garden]

I like it but

[bitter turtle]

you might as well say every gun that isnt plasma is irrelevant now then

even though they're almost all perfectly fine

[fleet garden]

sometimes it feels like I have some slight delay when activating the power state

[junior grail]

Plasma and Revolver

[fleet garden]

dont know why

[remote island]

I really dont like using Plasma. I'll work on getting a good one later but I just dont like how it feels to use.

[bitter turtle]

if you see viability as a black and white dichotomy between "irrelevant" and "literally the best weapon" idk what to say

[fleet garden]

neither do I like plasma

[bitter turtle]

ya fuck that weapon

[junior grail]

Perhaps that everyone is entitled to their opinions

[bitter turtle]

had to use it for the HM

[fleet garden]

sticking to mg XII, columnus and revolver

[bitter turtle]

plasma unfun 😔

freaking buggy animations ghosting all hte itme too

[fleet garden]

ye that annoys me so bad

[bitter turtle]

had to take one for the team and whip it out for the clear

never again tho

[serene bough]

i dont find psword too problematic

its powerful but shit dodge distance makes me want to commit murder

[fleet garden]

I ran voc with columnus, zealot with evi and flamer, one taunt ogryn with shield and one gun ogryn

[remote island]

I have been having a lot of fun with the Las MG 1a and X11, Graia mk VIII and the Bolter

[fleet garden]

grabbed two ppl from disc and did it on the second try

[remote island]

Working on a good Shotgun next

[muted knot]

My biggest problem with plasmagun

[glacial garnet]

i just came back after a break, what the hell happened to the talents?

[bitter turtle]

they changed them

3 times

[glacial garnet]

bro

[bitter turtle]

its better now

[glacial garnet]

how am i gonna snipe now

[bitter turtle]

wdym

sniping is much better now

[glacial garnet]

the only guide are 2 months out of date

[bitter turtle]

what are you using

[glacial garnet]

i dunno how to perk

nothing atm

[fleet garden]

left side is super glasscannon

[glacial garnet]

because i dunno what to do

[bitter turtle]

pick a gun

[glacial garnet]

hellbore mk3

[bitter turtle]

then build off of it

[fleet garden]

just go middle voice of command and pick a gun

[bitter turtle]

just dont pick recon

ok

let me give you one

[serene sage]

im picking recon :3

[serene bough]

pls no recon

remove all recon

[fleet garden]

recon buffs when

[glacial garnet]

wtf is recon?

[tall torrent]

We got 3 tree reworks so yea

[serene sage]

a gun

[tall torrent]

But the current tree is prett6 good

[fleet garden]

recon lasgun

[bitter turtle]

you can prob do the same thing i do on v7 with helbore

[glacial garnet]

also, whats up with a "stealth sniper build"

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/ba2169a7d42cbaf2bd52e40ccc65902c.png

[glacial garnet]

how the hell can a un suppresed gun be stealth?

[fleet garden]

infiltrate ulti

[bitter turtle]

just drop some dmg nodes if you dont need them for breakpoints idk test your gun

[glacial garnet]

does the v7 do more damage then the v3?

[serene sage]

infiltrate with low profile

[bitter turtle]

vraks7 is single shot

[tall torrent]

Take infiltrate
Stay at the back
Snipe everything in the head

[bitter turtle]

vraks3 is burst

its just preference

[remote island]

Hmm, how about this? Was able to throw this together with what I have left.

[bitter turtle]

looks good

[serene sage]

usually you can just snipe though, stealth sniper is mostly flavor text imo

[bitter turtle]

very excellent

[junior grail]

Nice psword

[remote island]

Think I should up the Flak to 25 or change or up the Maniac?

[muted knot]

How's that for a brauto ?

[fleet garden]

hey its like mine

[tall torrent]

Flak to carapace/unyielding

[muted knot]

Stopping power and ammo hurts a bit

[bitter turtle]

but yeah going back to psword

[tall torrent]

Low stopping power, skip

[fleet garden]

flak to carapace ye

[muted knot]

Damn

[junior grail]

Stopping Power and Ammo a lil low

[bitter turtle]

i dont like weapons designed in a way where they have no weakness

[muted knot]

Thanks

[bitter turtle]

even mobility is hardly an issue if you just slide charge

[glacial garnet]

has the survivalist challenge been fixed now?

[bitter turtle]

no

[muted knot]

Yes

[bitter turtle]

wait

[remote island]

Really change Flak?

[bitter turtle]

it has

[serene sage]

520 melee kills => 218k damage
340 ranged kills => 375k damage

[muted knot]

Completed it today I think

[glacial garnet]

for fuck sake.

[serene sage]

mfw

[bitter turtle]

apparently it was fixed

i lied

[remote island]

I always felt like you got the most bang for your buck with damage to flak

[glacial garnet]

FINNALY

[bitter turtle]

ya that's th e one

[glacial garnet]

I CAN GET THE BOOTLEG KRIEG MASK

[tall torrent]

I think it’s been fixed?

[muted knot]

Why do people always block why activating their PS ?

[glacial garnet]

why is this not using stance?

[fleet garden]

to get the stab

[bitter turtle]

block cancel

[serene sage]

safety?

[midnight mortar]

It skips part of the animation.

[fleet garden]

you block and stab the face of crushers

[tall torrent]

There’s actual Krieg armor & helm in the game now
But they’re out of rotation in the shop

[midnight mortar]

Block cancelling.

[bitter turtle]

i dont run exec in pugs

feel free though

[midnight mortar]

The energize while blocking is also part of the 2 headshot crusher combo for the mk6.

[serene sage]

why do people block while activating PS again?

[bitter turtle]

just go down exec path instead

[fleet garden]

exe stance is decent if you know to not die

[junior grail]

For mk 6 though

[fleet garden]

block->stab to face

[bitter turtle]

ye i need the shout crutch in pugs

[fleet garden]

yep

[junior grail]

I miss mk 3, noone seems to use anymore

[bitter turtle]

i've found the instant swap less important now thanks to meme bayonet

[serene bough]

ive come to like the mk6 PS

[fleet garden]

exe is not bad but voc is too good

for qp

[serene bough]

although i will admit using a powersword is pretty brainless

bright blue blade go woosh

[fleet garden]

I use my new chainsword a lot

[tall torrent]

What’s the consensus for mk13g chainsword

[junior grail]

I like, its not outstanding but I like

[serene sage]

oh yeah there's a new chainsword

i feel like no one talks about it

[tall torrent]

I find mk4 the better one between the two, and even then chainswords are kinda awkward

[junior grail]

Its easier to lmb spam the mk13 I feel

[muted knot]

Isn't that what the old excels at ?

[serene bough]

i didnt even know it existed

[fleet garden]

ill link my new one in a min

[remote island]

The PSword has good damage to Maniac alrighty. I was thinking of changing it to Carapace instead of the Flak.

[serene bough]

i knew there was a new chaxe

[glacial garnet]

should i take open salvo, or kill zone for a stance build?

[serene sage]

Fking right?

[junior grail]

Old one needs one savage sweep stack then starts lmb spam

[muted knot]

All chainwepaons got a new mark

[junior grail]

New one has more wide lmb swipes

[tall torrent]

Mk4 has better horde clear moveset, a safe combo to fight ragers without rev (L1 -> push atk -> L4), and synergies better with cleave blessings

[serene bough]

completely forgot abou the chainsword

[muted knot]

I run wrath so it doesn't matter

[serene bough]

idk why

[tall torrent]

Mk13g moveset feels super awkward

[muted knot]

I don't know why either cause chainswords fuck

[glacial garnet]

is open salvo, or kill zone better?

[junior grail]

I run wrath on the new one, easier to get stacks there than old one to me

[bitter turtle]

salvo

[muted knot]

Someone in here told me that Savage sweep isn't really worth it compared to wrath

Never checked myself

Just trusted in big E

[bitter turtle]

salvo works well since you dont eat ammo on shocktroop crits

[serene bough]

i always go for savage sweep over wrath

[glacial garnet]

rodger rodger

[serene bough]

one heavy attack gives more cleave than an entire stack of wrath

then you can just spam lmb to keep savage sweep up

[muted knot]

But it's not gonna come up is it ?

[serene bough]

the opportunity to activate it comes up pretty often

given the mob density

[muted knot]

I've never felt like I'm not cleaving enough

Fair

[tall torrent]

On chainsword interchangeable tbh

[muted knot]

I've ran both

[tall torrent]

On DC sword, savage sweep better

[muted knot]

It's no real difference

[tall torrent]

Then again I’m not a fan of chainswords

[muted knot]

Heresy

[tall torrent]

Mk4 I just tolerate

[final locust]

was there a previous special assignment?

or just this one on now

[muted knot]

First one

[final locust]

so this orthus offensive is the first of the live service stuff?

[tall torrent]

If chainswords had actually usable specials when fighting mass maulers & crushers I’d prob consider it better

[muted knot]

Yeah the specials really don't come up a lot on vet

[glacial garnet]

also, what perk should i sacrifice for taking stance with counter and renteless?

[muted knot]

Cause you usually have something that does anti elite better

[bitter turtle]

you dont need to sac anything, you save 1 point not needing to swap trees

so you can take 2x subtalents for exec

[glacial garnet]

oh, so nades arnt needed?

[bitter turtle]

i mean

its nice

might as well just pick up demo team isntead imo though

[muted knot]

What is y'all's favorite melee weapons for vet ?

[bitter turtle]

less investment to grab

[tall torrent]

Take demo stockpile

[serene bough]

standard shovel

[glacial garnet]

if the old build sucks, ill swap to the new one

[bitter turtle]

btw

if you are not confident in shooting heads

you can go down middle instead for the beginning

get CK instead of ET

[tall torrent]

I think nade regen talent order of priority is demo stockpile > demo team

[bitter turtle]

but i assume you're good at clicking heads

[glacial garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-19493993

[serene bough]

nade regen is almost always a must pick

[bitter turtle]

it is, but demo team is much easier to grab if you're going exec

i'd just take demo team and live with it personally at that point lul

but that's just me

[glacial garnet]

the hell is rending?

[bitter turtle]

you can prob drop some damage talents if you dont need them for breakpoints and get stockpile instead tho

[bitter turtle]

more damage on flak/carapace/maniac basically

[glacial garnet]

ah

[bitter turtle]

again

test breakpoitns

if you dont need certain things

[glacial garnet]

yeah ill drop nade regen for now

[bitter turtle]

then just drop them and you can grab stockpile

cause like, if you 2 shot a crusher with or without ogryn dmg

then you might as well drop it

[glacial garnet]

i have Stockholmer syndrome for the old sniper build

[tall torrent]

Improved dmg against armored targets (flak, maniac, carapace & unyielding)

Particularly useful on enemies wearing armor that your weapon sucks against (eg: infantry lasgun vs flak)

[glacial garnet]

noted

[tall torrent]

Rending is a buff to urself
Brittleness is a debuff applied on enemies
They do functionally the same things but work slightly differently

I’d say rending is a good pick but not always necessary

[bitter turtle]

ya

its why im saying

[tall torrent]

Since you’ll have at least 1 of ur weapons be designated anti-armor

[bitter turtle]

test your breakpoitns and drop wahtever you dont need

if it doesnt reduce the # of shots for a weap[on like hb3 then it functionally does nothing

and if you ahve leftover points you can grab stockpile easily

[forest blaze]

Rending talent also translates to your melee weapons too. Make sure to check your melee too, specifically on ragers.

[umbral scaffold]

agri or kant shotgun

[bitter turtle]

your melee is bayonet :^)

then again its hb3

with the meme slash

instead of the god poke

[forest blaze]

Chad poke vs virgin slash

[tall torrent]

Here
Green is basically always good
Yellow depends on the weapons ur using

[bitter turtle]

how does deadshot not deserve a yellow

[gray belfry]

'brunts selling a 374 graia braced autogun' ooo

'59% ammo' pain

[tall torrent]

I forgor

[bitter turtle]

also tbh ogryn also deserves yellow

[tall torrent]

But deadshot is extra situational imo

[bitter turtle]

its not always very good

a lot of weapons dont care nowadays

[tall torrent]

Better monster dmg is good

[bitter turtle]

by that logic rending should also be green

since it always is doing more dmg

[gray belfry]

running deadshot right now and i gotta say im fucking hating it lmao

[bitter turtle]

what gun

[drifting oak]

rending one is crap if you don't have an automatic ranged

[bitter turtle]

not onslaught

rending strikes

[gray belfry]

fanfire revolver

[tall torrent]

Rending is actually really situation specific because on infantry lasgun vs flak it’s a big improvement but for weapons that don’t have horrible dmg multi it’s an extremely small improvement

[gray belfry]

hate may be too strong a phrase, im indifferent to it

[raw steppe]

Yep game is finally out of early access

[bitter turtle]

i think you're always going to see something significant if you take it across your melee/ranged

i agree its not actually that "always take" but i also think the same for monstro dmg

[drifting oak]

nah

[bitter turtle]

if you dont need the ogryn part of it, i almost never take it

[drifting oak]

2.5 rending per hit is chump change for melee weapons and non-auto ranged

[bitter turtle]

is just not worth going that deep for it imo

[tall torrent]

He’s talking abt the 10% rend

[drifting oak]

oh

[bitter turtle]

yes

[drifting oak]

eh that one is... meh

[bitter turtle]

as i said

rending strikes

not onslaught

[raw steppe]

you need HC

and headshots

lol

[gray belfry]

got handcannon t3 , and the fanfire decides where the bullets go not me

[tall torrent]

Fair
If someone is grabbing the 25 toughness into 10% atk speed then I think it’s maybe skip
But if they’re not going into right tree for toughness might as well grab the dmg bonus

[bitter turtle]

yeah i get that

[raw steppe]

you gotta aim bruddA LOL

you dont need to fan all the shots instantly

you can fan it over like a second and hit heads

[tall torrent]

Fanfire is a gimmick for when they get close enough
General use u still want to aim heads

[raw steppe]

also stand still

[gray belfry]

ill give it more time, im only 1 mission in with it lmao

[raw steppe]

to stabilize your sway

[tall torrent]

Also I think run & gun for revolver improves your accuracy and close range dmg now?

Not a bad pick at all

[bitter turtle]

i read that as well

hidden bonus damage stat

[raw steppe]

it doesnt work

[bitter turtle]

o

what a traggedy

[raw steppe]

i think the sway reduction may work i cant tell

but i dont think the dmg bonus is being applied

[tall torrent]

Tragic

[raw steppe]

standing still and/or crouching is really important for sniping gunners/snipers

cuz it's not as accurate as the other revolver

[tall torrent]

I think mk14 revolver is better for zealot than for vet, general use anyway

[raw steppe]

i think it's better for vet

vet gets deadshot and supp immunity

zealot fury is a bit inconsistent

and getting suppressed is so bad

i tried on every class

it's ok on psyker

[tall torrent]

I was thinking emperor’s bullet synergizing well with the rapid fire function
And fury downgrades armor

[raw steppe]

but vet just has the tree to make it work well

[raw steppe]

eh you just hand cannon

with crits

[flint garden]

which also makes zarona work even better

[tall torrent]

Does hand cannon work for the downgraded armor by fury

[raw steppe]

i believe so but downgrading armor isn't really a big deal

if you're rending 60% already

[tall torrent]

I guess

I was thinking funny crusher dmg with downgraded carapace + 60% rend

[gray belfry]

brunt please. ive given you 184k dockets. give me a knife higher than 330 power

[raw steppe]

i think revolver goes from like 70 to 130%, which ends up at 107% damage for flak; whereas for cara you go from 30 to 90% or so

[tender inlet]

Anyone having issue with the weapon custom mod sights not showing hit markers?

[tall torrent]

But vet without accurate ranged killing power feels just incomplete for me

[green dust]

Is the kantrael MG XII(12) still good for weakspots? Or should I go recon?

[bitter turtle]

do you mean

the red/orange crosshairs

or white ones

when you get hits

its an option in the settings for teh mod if you mean that

you can turn it back on

[tender inlet]

Oh, thank you.

[tall torrent]

1. It’s good but the playstyle is basically exe stance, sit at the back, let your team handle melee hordes and 1 shot everything in the head
2. Recon lasguns are not great rn

MG12 is imo not worth playing without exe stance

[bitter turtle]

i like vraks7 a lot more than i like mg12 for that style, not that you cant use mg12

[serene bough]

mg4 supremacy

[bitter turtle]

as for recon, its just shit, play IAG

[green dust]

I want to do the stay accurate penance and just spam headshots

[tall torrent]

Yea cuz vraks7 doesn’t need exe to hit 1 taps

[bitter turtle]

ya

[tall torrent]

MG12 can’t

[bitter turtle]

also i think v7 hipfires fairly well

i just find it way more flexible than mk12

[tall torrent]

I think MG12 should be buffed so u can run it without exe stance

Playing MG12 in pub is miserable

[raw steppe]

afaik this one needs to be done in a private game i think?

[static quest]

Any good melee weapon pairing with the Stealth ability?

[bitter turtle]

unironically knife is one

[tall torrent]

Ironically I like chainaxe with it

[serene bough]

mg1a and mg4 outshine the mg12 now

in almost everywayu

[tall torrent]

U can do the funny crusher one shot with infiltrate + low profile

[static quest]

I’ve been using the tactical axe, but maybe I’ll consider the knife, just needs a few blessings

[tall torrent]

With minimal chance of getting hit

[bitter turtle]

keep in mind

i say knife for objective and cobbling pubs back together

not because its the elite assassin build

[serene bough]

mg4 can 2 tap most things without exe stance and mg1a with exe stance can 1 tap

[green dust]

But is it ammo efficient?

[static quest]

Oh yeah fs.

[muted knot]

Imagine needing to use your active ability to oneshot crushers

[serene bough]

mg4 is the most ammo efficient gun in the game i think

[tall torrent]

Not for that purpose

[flint garden]

[tall torrent]

It one shots crushers without

[serene bough]

can literally mag dump into hordes and still have ammo to spare

[tall torrent]

It just lets u not get hit while doing that

Which basically takes away the risk of using it

[muted knot]

The knife oneshots crushers ?

[tall torrent]

No, chainaxe

[muted knot]

Ohhhhh

Gotcha

[tall torrent]

Thrust + rev heavy
I think u need Ogryn/monster dmg? Not sure abt if u need 15% elite

[slim rivet]

A standard guard squad ig

[tall torrent]

But it’s very funny

[scenic lance]

Is decapitator on axes any good

[sturdy herald]

Quick question -- are the recon lasguns worth using on an infernus crit build? If not, what similar weapon would you recommend?

[scenic lance]

recon las feels meh to me

[tall torrent]

1. Recon lasguns are just not good rn, period.
2. Infantry autoguns are great! All 3 are good, with the best imo being Columnus mk5

[sturdy herald]

I do like the dakka dakka and I miss it from Gun Lugger ogryn. Do you have any thoughts on the autoguns?

[bitter turtle]

Recons are bad, use iag

[scenic lance]

Autoguns are good

[bitter turtle]

All 3 are good

[sturdy herald]

What kind of build would you use for the Columnus?

[bitter turtle]

Columnus highest damage, agri best recoil and rangw

[static quest]

I use ‘‘em a lot for the hordes

[tall torrent]

Talent build or perk/blessing?

[bitter turtle]

Graia in the middle

[sturdy herald]

Yes. 😛

[slim rivet]

What about vraks?

[sturdy herald]

I'm willing to try just about anything new at this point.

[tall torrent]

Graia is the most accurate one

[sturdy herald]

Been playing knife goblin and I miss the dakka.

[tall torrent]

Agripinaa has the highest recoil per shot

[bitter turtle]

Those are headshot guns, completely different schtick

[green dust]

Antax mk V or power sword or combat blade?

[bitter turtle]

For real? I find picking off enemies at long range the easiest with it

[green dust]

I only have those built

[bitter turtle]

Maybe it's just placebo

[bitter turtle]

Dumdum+ deathspitter/fire frenzy for blessing

[echo copper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/859088448371425322/1186511344111980614/image.png?ex=659383cc&is=65810ecc&hm=aba3362869decb84a55b5e57512309f0ca77e0a5633bbb93b1dbd6ec37a0c867&=&format=webp&quality=lossless Thank you, Plasma Gun.

[tall torrent]

It has the best breakpoints for regular enemies (3 headshot both gunners, 1 headshot all shooters, 2 headshot trappers)

[bitter turtle]

Maybe that's why

[static quest]

Agripinaa braced makes me feel like John Rambo

[tall torrent]

And the initial recoil is fine

But it has the highest recoil

If u spray with it

[bitter turtle]

O OK that makes sense

[sturdy herald]

Thank you! I'll see if I can't snatch a few from the shop and give it a go.

[bitter turtle]

In the context of burst shots I found it easiest to snipe with

Prob bc breakpoint then

[sturdy herald]

What's the general opinion of plasma vs. bolter for heavy support?

[bitter turtle]

Plasma

[tall torrent]

Flak + elite
Dum dum + raking fire/stripped down/deathspitter/fire frenzy

Take onslaught on the bottom right side of the tree

[bitter turtle]

Bolter meh right now

[static quest]

Plasma

[bitter turtle]

Usable if you like it

[serene sage]

Bolter is slightly overshadowed by plasma

[sturdy herald]

Damn, that's a shame.

[serene sage]

if you don't want to think much use plasma

[sturdy herald]

How do you plasma properly? Full charge, uncharged shots?

[serene sage]

but bolter is still a good weapon, plasma is simply overtuned

[tall torrent]

IAGs are one of the easiest weapons to roll for imo and are the best beginner weapons

[bitter turtle]

Spam uncharges

[muted knot]

Uncharged mostly

[green dust]

Best perks and blessings for plasma? I haven't found a good one

[sturdy herald]

Bolter goes BRRR so it's easy for me -- just aim for head, shoot.

[tall torrent]

Spam left click, never charge

[serene sage]

sometimes charge for wall pierce

[muted knot]

Blaze away

[serene sage]

but 90% uncharged shot

[sturdy herald]

Thanks! Do you reload or just alt-fire for the heat management?

[muted knot]

Alt fire

[serene sage]

def vent haha

[muted knot]

Reload takes forever

Like it's not even funny

[sturdy herald]

'ppreciate the feedback, everyone. ❤️

[static quest]

Yeah, reloading makes you an easy target

[bitter turtle]

Plasma has a melee heavy playstyle from my.exprience

[serene sage]

just in case since you ask, you know you can vent the heat right?

[tall torrent]

Vent when you’re at high heat
Reloads basically only exist when you’re inside elevators

[bitter turtle]

Don't reload too much

[sturdy herald]

Yup!

[muted knot]

You can cancel the reload animation 3 times but it hardly brings it down

[sturdy herald]

I just haven't toyed with plasma much since it didn't fit my vibe, but seeing its effectiveness in-game I may be swapping over to see what the fuss is all about.

[tall torrent]

Primarily because it can’t afford to shoot at every single enemy

[serene sage]

oh hey I finally found dum dum level 4 on recon

[bitter turtle]

You can run wep specialist with plasma to reduce reloading further

And ya

[serene sage]

thanks emperor

[static quest]

I typically pair the Tac Axe with that, decent for the pox hordes and just enough one hit for regular Dregs and Scabs. I rapid left click so much doing that, lol

[sturdy herald]

Which MK do you like best?

[muted knot]

Really tac axe ?

[tall torrent]

Tac axe is kinda weird rn idk

[muted knot]

Yeah

[green dust]

MK V

[static quest]

It’s reliable to me. It works

[tall torrent]

If you’re gonna use tac axe, take mk2 or mk7

[muted knot]

I run my plasma with the chainswords

[sturdy herald]

Any thoughts on the new chainsword with Bloodletter 4?

[muted knot]

If it works, it works

[static quest]

It just works-some schmuck

[sturdy herald]

Seems like double revved lights handles just about everything.

[delicate rivet]

Anyone experiencing the toughness bug again? Went down in 0.5 seconds from full

[muted knot]

Double revved ?

If you rev repeatedly you just turn it off and on again

[midnight mortar]

Was there a crusher or mauler overhead involved?

[sturdy herald]

Like, two revved lights back to back. Not removing the warranty on the revving and making it spin uncontrollably -- that'd piss off the tech priests.

[tall torrent]

The new chainsword is what happens when you take away everything that made the mk4 chainsword tolerable and try to make a pseudo-chainaxe that does neither horde clear nor single target anti-armor well

[delicate rivet]

No

[serene sage]

overhead attacks?
also stacking shotgunners can one shot you

[midnight mortar]

Can't save I've experienced any unusually fast toughness losses myself then, sorry.

[muted knot]

I might just be too tired to understand what you are saying

[tall torrent]

Take toughness dmg reduction talents

[sturdy herald]

Any recommendations for a viable replacement to combine with a plasma gun? Ideally something that has a "Fuck off, I want to shoot" button.

[midnight mortar]

What they meant to say was 2 chained lights that are both revved.

[muted knot]

Anything with good hordeclear really

[serene sage]

just perma clutch voice of command bro

[tall torrent]

Do u want something that’s really easy to roll for or something that’s absurdly frustrating to roll for

[bitter turtle]

i used powersword with shout when i was bullied into playing plasma

[muted knot]

Does that work ?

[sturdy herald]

I got a CS with Bloodletting 4 and so far in testing, a revved light followed by another revved light bleeds everything to death (heavies for Crushers and the likes).

[muted knot]

Or do you rev it after the first light ?

[serene sage]

weak

[muted knot]

Ah gotcha

We aren't talking about horde clear

[bitter turtle]

😔

[sturdy herald]

I'll take both options, if you don't mind -- that way I can write it down and make an informed decision later.

[muted knot]

I don't think bloodletter really makes sense when you run plasma since you just whip the gun out whenever a elite come on

[bitter turtle]

other guy kept saying let me play IAG

and ngl

the him and one other were literally on the floor every run

so i was like

ok you can play w/e you want

[delicate rivet]

Can a stack of Gunners do the same?

[serene sage]

it's harder but likely

[bitter turtle]

no but they will tear through you pretty fast if you are caught out

[serene sage]

I think what happened is that you got hit in melee

and then get shredded

[bitter turtle]

remember to sliderino

[serene sage]

melee will break shield in 2-3 hits

[muted knot]

Hard roll is Powersword with Power cycler 4 and brutal momentum 4

[sturdy herald]

I love the shout, don't get me wrong, but I also love having multiple panic buttons and I'm really bad at comboing so I tend to spam lights like a flailing idiot.

[tall torrent]

For vet melee weapons

If you’re into long-term suffering:
Rashad mk2 combat axe (brutal momentum + headtaker, unarmored + flak/elite)
Mk6 power sword (power cycler 4 + brutal momentum/sunder, maniac + carapace)

If you’re into short-term suffering:
Antax mk5 combat axe (brutal momentum + headtaker, unarmored + flak/elite)
Standard issue shovel (uncanny + take a swing)
Mk3 shovel (thrust + limbsplitter)
Mk7 shovel (uncanny + take a swing)
Mk4 DC sword (rampage + savage sweep)
Mk7 DC sword (rampage + savage sweep)

If you’re broke:
Mk4 chainsword (rampage + savage sweep/wrath)

[serene sage]

no worry. so you take frag grenade with Demolition Stocpile and suddenly you have 3x panic buttons

plus VoC is 4

for my build I also take both Exhilarating Takedowns and Confirmed Kills

[sturdy herald]

Might just be me but I find the fuse on the shredder way too long (gotten too used to Frag Bomb) and I've recently fallen in love with the adhesive krak.

[delicate rivet]

Guess im still not good enough for mostly left tree for Damnation+, think i will try mostly middle tree and see how it goes

[bitter turtle]

shredders save runs

[final locust]

@forest blaze the build is amazing bro

thanks

[bitter turtle]

i only take kraks if my loadout is absolute dogshit at dealing iwht monstros

like my fucking

SHOVEL

[tall torrent]

Peak veteran gameplay is dropping 30 frags at your own feet every game

[sturdy herald]

I don't disagree, but I'm also sitting at either 3 or 0 the whole run, and I want to avoid that. Krak strikes that good middle balance of going "Oh yeah, I could really use that here".

[serene sage]

I think frag should be your default option, take krak only if neither your gun nor melee can handle Carapace/Monstrosities.
we pretend smoke don't exist.

[sturdy herald]

Shredder feels... ambiguous.

[tall torrent]

Also this for u @sturdy herald

[final locust]

bro i got about 50k for doing the first carnival mission, what?

[sturdy herald]

Thanks!

[atomic zephyr]

on mg1a, ghost headhunter or infernus headhunter?

[tall torrent]

Deadly accurate + headhunter

[serene sage]

here's a trick for ya.
one frag is used for stagger
two frag is used for damage due to bleed stacking

[midnight mortar]

What's so confusing about that? Auric Damnation payouts are typically that or higher with additional +docket perks on curios.

[atomic zephyr]

i know but im sorta just working with what i got

[tall torrent]

Ghost

[final locust]

its not auric level though

[tall torrent]

Infernus not worth

[atomic zephyr]

[bitter turtle]

you know

when iw atch footage of other ppl

[midnight mortar]

Was it Damnation?

[serene sage]

more exibits of simply throwing 2 frag nades and your problems are solved

[bitter turtle]

i think the screen shake looks cool

but then when i actually play

it makes me want to kill myself

so i turn it off

😔

[final locust]

just a heresy difficulty with a shock troop modifier

nothing too bad

[sturdy herald]

Okay, that is SUPER helpful. Thank you so much. ❤️

[midnight mortar]

Yes, modifiers will increase payout.

[delicate rivet]

Monke Neuron Activation

[final locust]

yeah but they always gave like 20-30k at most before

[sturdy herald]

Do you spec into the radius + damage node?

[final locust]

I got nearly 50k for that one

[serene sage]

that's tinkered grenade btw for the AOE

[serene sage]

good question!! yes

without tinkered you can still kill BUT the radius isn't enough for those moments

[sturdy herald]

Seems like I have to revisit my whole perspective on Veteran.

[tall torrent]

Am debating whether I want to drop target down for tinkered frag

[bitter turtle]

tinker is great but sometimes a bit difficult to take since you're obligated to go surv the majority of the time

[serene sage]

it's good about 3 or 4 times a match for that big clump of gunners

[bitter turtle]

depends on the build/weapon though

[serene sage]

honestly if you are good, plasma can do it without spend 2 points for tinkered

but im not good and i hate plasma

[sturdy herald]

Do you happen to have a sample build of a plasma + whatever with the shredder nade tech? Just something so I can have a good idea of the whole and maybe reverse-engineer.

[tall torrent]

I already spend 2 points into the 10% melee dmg anyway

Cuz I’m running Rashad

I need the breakpoints

[bitter turtle]

ya

i take it on some builds

just weapon dependent

[atomic zephyr]

debating whether i should try and make a boltgun build
plasma just feels boring

[bitter turtle]

and some guns can afford to just not run surv too

[serene sage]

here's a general template with all the more or less "meta" options.
you have 7 points left to spec however you like

[reef cedar]

best plasmagun blessings for hardcore twins? thanks ❤️

[sturdy herald]

Appreciate it immensely!

[bitter turtle]

keep in mind there's also a melee-heavy route for plasma if you want to do that

weapon specialist (right keystone) also synergizes very well with the weapon

[sturdy herald]

I'm alright with trying out new things, assuming there's no "absolutely must-have" blessings that I don't have yet since my plasteel hoard is constantly ping-ponging between full and empty.

Is Longshot considered bad? Seems like it'd be good for a one-pointer on paper.

Or is plasma too close ranged to benefit strongly?

[bitter turtle]

longshot is pretty meh

its decent at best on some weapons

but the range is very far to max out

btw for HM twins this is what I ran at least

https://i.gyazo.com/9e8122ab165fa594dfbee8c06a904454.png

focusing on right keystone

but you can move stuff around too

[sturdy herald]

How important would you consider suppression immunity for general gameplay?

[bitter turtle]

depends on the weapon

for plasma

not important at all

[sturdy herald]

My monke brain sees "immunity" and lights up immediately.

[sturdy herald]

What's a good ballpark, then? I assume anything with rapid-fire/medium+ range?

[bitter turtle]

sniper weapons want it badly

i dont bother taking it on anything else

[serene sage]

DMR weapons, and the Boltgun especially wants it

other weapons not so much

[broken spade]

i would suggest getting creature spawner mod and spawning a gunner to shoot you to see how suppression works with your gun

[bitter turtle]

most rapidf ire weapons are close range weapons in the first place so they dont reallyn eed it either

[broken spade]

fun fact, plasma is just completely suppression immune

[tall torrent]

It’s good for headhunter autoguns and revolver but that’s about it

[sturdy herald]

Oh really? Sweet.

[serene sage]

Bolter can break a lot of breakpoints with Long Shot

but then again, surgical is usually enough

[tall torrent]

Helbore lasguns and plasma are completely immune to suppression

[serene sage]

if you are extra sweaty you can take it

[broken spade]

although getting hit at 0 toughness can still fuck your aim cause of stagger still does that

[frank ether]

if you're gonna be range focused might aswell grab longshot

just after that you have exhilarating and %30 reload speed perk

both are great in their own right

[broken spade]

i guess they thought having a gun with delayed shots get suppressed would be too harsh when they made plasma

imagine how bad suppression would be on it

[serene sage]

I think hipfiring takes nearly zero suppression

[broken spade]

anything happening during the charging would fuck with you so bad

[sturdy herald]

Would you consider that worth it for the plasma? I get that the reload speed is already abyssmal, but the general consensus so far is "reload in elevators or die trying".

At least that's what I gathered.

[frank ether]

I dont rly play plasma

I play bolter

[bitter turtle]

that's once hting nice about wep specialist (right keystone) btw

it passively puts bullets back into your gun

[broken spade]

bolter gets fucked pretty hard by suppression in all cases

[frank ether]

yes I'm fully aware plasma is the silly op gun right now

[broken spade]

would definitely recommend supp immunity for it

[sturdy herald]

Yeah, I saw that. Do you basically just melee stuff, swap to plasma for big stuff, then go back to melee?

[bitter turtle]

yes

[frank ether]

I just like bolter more

[bitter turtle]

melee chaff

[serene sage]

fun fact Volley Adept (reload speed) doesn't last for the entire duration of Plasma reload

[bitter turtle]

shoot elites

then you naturally get some bullets back with always prepared

[frank ether]

bolter is a case for supp immunity I suppose

I dont run it on my build

[jaunty spindle]

Best general build for the hard mode?

[frank ether]

but my build is weird

to begin with

[broken spade]

I like suppression immunity for revolver too

[bitter turtle]

i used plasma/psword

[serene sage]

yeah, that's about it for plasma and generally everything tbh

[bitter turtle]

column/psword seemed good too

[frank ether]

I think deadshot bolter is in the extreme minority as far as playrates go

[bitter turtle]

until the guy on my team kept asking to use colu instead

[flat furnace]

x2
I have a Columnus Mk V and a Chain axe

[austere badger]

I'm seeing 3 ogryns one zealot in most clears including mine. One with tackle, one with taunt, and all with twin stubbers.

[frank ether]

outside of myself I've yet to see another one

[austere badger]

Zealot has a hammer and a revolver.

[serene sage]

I think with surgical deadshot is redundant

[jaunty spindle]

Which one

Sword I mean

[bitter turtle]

mk6

obv

its the better one straight up

[frank ether]

I need the crit faster

[broken spade]

well, it'll save you about a second of charging surgical

[serene sage]

ig if you have good aim to continually chaining heads

[bitter turtle]

idk about on bolter

but i run deadshot on a lot of surgical weapons

[frank ether]

Its just that bolter needs multiple crits to down some targets

[bitter turtle]

i rarely just hold the aim to charge up surgical in the first place

[frank ether]

like when its a crusher wave or a boss

I won't have time luxury

and magdumping isnt very good

it just eats away ammo and doesnt do a whole lot

[serene sage]

you kinda need to wait for the recoil to reset.
i understand that deadshot also helps with that but I don't aim fast enough to make use of the added time.

[frank ether]

not with my weird yeeyee ass build anyways

I'm running a VoC focus mark build on bolter

its not your typical executioner build

[broken spade]

it'll probably reset before you reach max crit rate anyways, even with deadshot.
Just think of it like an instant 3 stack of surgical

an instant 1 second worth of surgical stacks

not bad

[frank ether]

yeah and its not terribly difficult to sustain with the help of focus mark keystone

your mark kills restore stamina

[serene sage]

I mean I don't hate it. I used to run it but after testing without I find the extra stamina worth more to me than extra crit when im one tapping most things

I think it's fine to take, we prob dont need to split hair

[frank ether]

yea its one of those pointless arguments

both sides are right in their own way

[broken spade]

I generally have other stuff i wanna grab instead too

[serene sage]

would love to get demo team for my build ngl

[frank ether]

thats so good in maelstorm

[bitter turtle]

i hate the fire change

it makes iron will better than demo team

lol

[frank ether]

I mean

[bitter turtle]

i used to take demo team always

[frank ether]

iron will always was rly good

[bitter turtle]

it wasnt bad before

but i didnt value it as much

doesnt stop your toughness going to 0

and that is usually when im out of toughness

[frank ether]

well now that fire doesnt immediately eat your toughness

it has a chance to...

you know

work

[bitter turtle]

ya now iron will has stonks

is wha ti mean

so i started taking it

over demo team

but im sadge

i like demo team more

[frank ether]

I've always taken it

[tall torrent]

The real question now is

Born leader vs for the emperor

Battle of mid

[bitter turtle]

lol

i take fte

[tall torrent]

What do u take

[frank ether]

I treat it like a safety net for vet

you get to do a mistake and survive every once in a while thanks to IW

[bitter turtle]

even with ck+et you restore like fucking 4% toughness

i know i know

if you take focus max stacks + gloryhunter + et + ck then its like a whole 15% toughness

[serene sage]

fte to mag dump

[bitter turtle]

but no thanks

[frank ether]

fte was the 5 second dmg buff right?

[bitter turtle]

ya

[frank ether]

yea I kinda dont like it but take it anyways

cause shout dmg buff stacking is good

[bitter turtle]

i mean its pretty bad but damage is never useless at least

[frank ether]

I'm taking cq killzone and marksman so might aswell take fte aswell

[broken spade]

I would never take born leader
i refuse to take nodes for helping teammates

helping the team is cringe

[frank ether]

the whole idea is you shout and then do giga damage

[crude ermine]

If the team can't help themselves then I'll help them by eating them

[frank ether]

since shout cd is short you get to make use of ability modifiers a lot

[serene sage]

yeah shout so you can mag dump means something unlike born leader

[bitter turtle]

like

at least

when you shout

[midnight totem]

Fellow shovel wielders, I need advice

[bitter turtle]

that is probably when you need some damage

so it at least lines up

[serene sage]

also fuck the team

[crude ermine]

What have they done for me?

[serene sage]

they can get their own toughness

[bitter turtle]

seems more helpful than a whole fucking single digit toughness to the team

[serene sage]

communist ass teammates

[frank ether]

as much as I like to harp about keystones being bad I'm happy that no keystone builds are in a good place rn

[midnight totem]

is this bricked?

[bitter turtle]

ya

[drifting oak]

yes

[bitter turtle]

i still do no keystone on iags

[midnight totem]

f

[crude ermine]

Sorry lad but it ain't lookin good

[frank ether]

its rly just sharpshooter thats fucked and has been fucked since like P13

[bitter turtle]

3/3 bad

its ded

[frank ether]

everything else for vet giga strong

[drifting oak]

carapace is not something you want to shoot with HHAs

extra crit damage is a do-nothing stat, it's absolutely miniscule

[midnight totem]

truee enough

[drifting oak]

falter is a do-nothing too

if you shoot something with the vraks in the head it's either dead or you don't WANT it to stagger

[bitter turtle]

i run Headhunter/Deadly Accurate for blessings and Flak/Unarmored for perks fwiw

for v7

[midnight totem]

it looked so promising too at first

[frank ether]

I think if volley fire was a toughness reset maybe you'd see more ppl taking it? Idk. I fee like volley fire needs a bit of a mini rework

its the only ability that kinda sucks as a baseline thing

[midnight totem]

how about this one

just swap out shattering for blaze right?

[eternal sable]

https://tenor.com/view/post-this-cat-when-they-least-expect-it-gif-18306501333321204879

[queen mason]

https://youtu.be/nBCn8qIPebk?si=aUsBl5vyEAn4aYMz

This video is so toxic 😂 and with the YouTuber voice 🤣 . Which member of the discord made this triggering monstrosity

[broken spade]

i wish volley fire had that instant reload on use node that use to be an option

[bitter turtle]

me

it was me

i did it

[eternal flare]

should I reroll something, going for a new one or keep it as it is

[bitter turtle]

i personally did it

i even made youtube

just to upload that video

[eternal sable]

Builds from the average discord user here 💀💀💀

Absolutely broken indeed

[midnight totem]

I think my plasma gun is good though

alas

[serene sage]

I mean it's okay, nothing outrageously wrong

I honestly don't hate it

[sturdy herald]

Out of curiosity, how does rending work? Is the "less armor" thing just a straight-up multiplier?

[serene sage]

and YT clickbait is just the way it is

[sturdy herald]

Or does it bridge the gap between unarmored and carapace?

[bitter turtle]

just think of it as extra damage vs Carapace/Flak/Maniac/Unyielding

basically if your weapon does 60% dmg modifier vs carapace, if you get 10% rending, it does 70% after

[sturdy herald]

How significant is it? i.e. on weapons that do high carapace, is it worth taking?

[sturdy herald]

Oh! I see what you're saying now.

[bitter turtle]

and significantly, it doesnt work against unarmored

so it does not help vs hordes

or dreg gunners

unless its a horde of scab fighters

[serene sage]

Example: The Boltgun does 545 damage but if you look at Carapace and Infested, it actually does less because of damage modifier.
At Carapace it does 50% damage
10% rending will bump it to 60% damage

[sturdy herald]

Yep! So worth taking on plasma?

[serene sage]

eh no because plasma slaps everything

[bitter turtle]

so