veteran-class

[raw steppe]

try it

in the meat grinder

[serene sage]

it's very inconsistent

sometime it works sometimes it doesn't

i can attest to this

[raw steppe]

it's easier to aim behind them

[serene sage]

i think it's a bug

[raw steppe]

and have the krak magnetize to the shield

[junior grail]

Point is we're supposed to

[atomic zephyr]

no i toss it straight at the siheld

looks pretty dead to me boss

[midnight mortar]

Never had this problem in my experience.

I have still occassionaly had explosions with no damage.

But they're much rarer since the fixes.

And then I swapped to frags.

[serene sage]

i mean more of this also

regardless I just use frag

very rarely do I run a weapon combo that can't kill carapace for whatever reaons

[atomic zephyr]

yeah ok i just threw ten krak nades directly at the center of the bulwark shield

killed every time

idk what's all this about it not killing them

[sharp ember]

they've been rolling out bugfixes about this

it's when the bulwark flinches next to a wall and puts their shield inside the wall which blocks the explosion

it should always kill the one bulwark now, but probably still protects adjacent enemies from the radius

[raw steppe]

Ye i think if it sticks to a mauler

Or something

The shield blocks the explosion

[atomic zephyr]

ohhhhh

that makes sense

[sharp ember]

but also, shredder nade gang

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1090431676473151489.webp?size=48&name=chadders&quality=lossless

[atomic zephyr]

krak? i sleep
shredder + chainaxe to face? real shit

puts em down just as easy

[unborn perch]

Yawn, is this good??

[south garnet]

it's 368 base which means you're missing 12 points to hit the max of 550 so it's shit it's trash

https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-rec-ron-swanson-computer-trash-garbage-gif-21878872

[unborn perch]

lol

[raw steppe]

it's aite you want high ammo though

[atomic zephyr]

dont even ahve shattering impact 5 cringe

[south garnet]

spent all this time putting a good new chaxe 12 together and I hate it

[versed merlin]

hey, about shottys, does full bore benefits the first shot you hit or subsequent shots? also, is there a difference in how this blessing works if you ads?

[south garnet]

Subsequent, no

So it procs on slug from agri, for instance

[versed merlin]

wait how so

agri slug procs it instantly?

[south garnet]

It works on subsequent shots and no, it doesn't work differently if you ads

[versed merlin]

so the first agri slug will have the benefit of its dmg regardless if i hit the enemy before?

[south garnet]

No, subsequent shots only

[versed merlin]

ahhh okok

hmm

[torn moat]

What's the best Vet shovel now?

[versed merlin]

7 is best for clearing hordes and 3 is big bonkers from what i heard

i stick with 7 bc i got one god rolled and it does the job pretty well with right tree spec

[versed merlin]

so is that blessing even worth in a agri shotty?

i use mostly the slug to one shot elites and specials, and melee to do everything else

[torn moat]

And what is best for Chainaxe now?

[serene sage]

that damage

[lofty lintel]

thrust headtaker

flak/maniac

[torn moat]

Mk12 the better chainaxe?

[lofty lintel]

mk12 is super single target oriented

mk4 is more well rounded

i use mk4

[thorn scroll]

ISO a guide to get damnation viable, im literally paper on damnation

[serene sage]

the trick is to take toughness talents

which is a nobrainer

Confirmed Kills + Exhilarating Takedowns/Out for Blood
Voice of Command + Duty and Honour

[scarlet timber]

Learn to reflexively block or dodge on audiocue, drink like 13 energy drinks, take all the toughness you can for trinkets and talents, and if you carry the sword learn to parry all day every day

[serene sage]

and you are really tanky

[thorn scroll]

running voice of command

[flint garden]

confirmed kill + voc + iron will = how die

[thorn scroll]

I use the Mk4 already its amazing, I hope they never nerf reposte 👀

[serene sage]

here is my personal build

[thorn scroll]

ambatukam

[serene sage]

grab whatever hard hitting gun you want

like plasma revolver bolter helbore

this isn't an autogun build

but you will be tanky 👍

[lofty lintel]

is this salvageable? i have t4 thrust in storage

[serene bough]

bloodletter is good

im not sure what else to get for a chainaxe though i dont often use it

[graceful glen]

is infested worthless?

the blessing were doodoo so i had to use the slot

[flint garden]

yep

only gunna affect poxbursters and dogs

[atomic zephyr]

lol i think you're good either way

[solemn galleon]

what's the ideal attack pattern for PS6 with power cycle 4? all heavies? or mix in lights?

[rancid tinsel]

whose got a good build for shottys?

[hallow moat]

I need a good helbore build

[lofty lintel]

All lights

[lofty lintel]

Wep specialist

Voice of command

[lofty lintel]

All left tree except ability u want voc, deadshot and shock trooper are a must have unless you have surgical in ur helbore then deadshot is not worth it

Krak grenade as blitz

And an aoe melee

[lusty jewel]

Advice on what to swap on this?

[lofty lintel]

Salvageable kinda

Thrust for take a swing

And crit chance for one of the big 2

Or carapace, go in psykhanium and look for breakpoints youd like to hit

Id say cara because with a heavy folded attack youll be one shotting most elites

Thrust is a must have tho on both folding shovels

[lusty jewel]

Gotcha

[astral blade]

Hey guys how goes taking off heretic heads from a distance?

[scarlet timber]

Trolling the heretics and my team at once with a graia IAG with reload perks and blessings and all reload talents. I haven’t stopped firing for more than 3 seconds in the last 19 minutes.

and if I did that rager would still be alive

[obsidian umbra]

Should i replace 4% crit for flak or replace slaughter for thunderous?

[forest blaze]

If you have T4 thunderous go for it imo

[graceful glen]

this is pretty good ya?

[scenic lance]

What do the twins count as

Carapice?

[lilac jungle]

Ideal perks/blessings for a Helbore lasgun?

[lilac jungle]

Heads and 1 shoulder yes, the torso is flak, the rest is unarmored.

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/enemies?type=MONSTROSITY

There is a link to all the enemies. The twins are both classed as monstrosities.

[versed merlin]

i wish we could decon items

so we could recover some plasteel from it

[lofty lintel]

Actually good take

That would be great especially considering how rng heavy the crafting is

[lofty lintel]

Flak maniac, surgical onslaught

[serene bough]

would like to spend diamantine

[tall torrent]

Which helbore

[tall torrent]

That’s not really the case

[lofty lintel]

It is

[tall torrent]

Helbore 2 doesn’t want that

Helbore 1 wants maniac but not necessarily flak

[lofty lintel]

Oh perks

Yeah sure theyre interchangeable

[tall torrent]

Blessings yea onslaught surgical

Perk-wise helbore is extremely specific

And varies based on talent build

Helbore 2 needs unarmored tho

[lofty lintel]

Thats true

[tall torrent]

And helbore 3 is a weird one because it’s almost always crit so u can focus less on breakpoints that aren’t crits

As long as u have ideal blessings on it anyway

[quick moth]

Bruh I'm just trying to get the right blessings on the damn starter shovel and nearly blew 10k plasteel wtf lol

[lilac jungle]

Sorry helbore 1

[bright hazel]

Guys this helbore sitting in melks, seems......okay I guess? donno if its 2500 tokens okay. worth a buy?

[lilac jungle]

Thats the helbore i bought and was asking about. I mean its not the exact same, mine is only 2-3 points lower in all the stats

[flint garden]

sus stopping power

[tall torrent]

Maniac is needed
Can run specialist on top of that to get more consistent flamer one headshot kills (doesn’t need crit unlike helbore2)
I think it already hits both gunner breakpoints without unarmored/flak, you might want to use +elite dmg to make sure, depending on the dmg & SP rolls

Blessings are just onslaught + surgical

[bright hazel]

yea stopping power kinda sketch

probably not worth it

[lofty lintel]

That t4 surgical is juicy

[tall torrent]

Low SP, not sure if it still hits the flamer breakpoints

[lofty lintel]

Try it out

Its worth buying for the t4 surgical

[tall torrent]

Flak on HB1 only gives u scab rager one headshot kill

[lofty lintel]

You can extract and later slap it on a better helbore if you see the low stopping power is hitting too hard

[tall torrent]

Which is a weird breakpoint

[tall torrent]

He already unlocked surgical4

[lofty lintel]

Ou

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t have magnifying glass icon on it

[lofty lintel]

Didnt see it mb

I wouldnt get it just because of the low stopping power

Because itd be salvageable if you swap crit dmg for maniac and no respite for onslaught

[bright hazel]

yea feel like the SP dump stat is the deal breaker

[lofty lintel]

Yeah

What a shame honestly

[lilac jungle]

What would you say is a usable % for stopping power?

[lofty lintel]

71+

[lilac jungle]

OOf

anyone have a good set of plasma gun talents?

[quick moth]

Blaze away and gets hot are the ones that you want ideally

[quick moth]

It only has 5 blessings and you want 2/5 which is better odds than most weapons tbh
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/plasma-gun/m35-magnacore-mk-ii-plasma-gun

[lilac jungle]

sorry, talents not perks/blessings

[quick moth]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a565016-bd70-4fe0-8c82-1080bc73412e/veteran-squad-leader

[wanton dawn]

Will brighten my mood for the day

[crisp rapids]

hey vets, thanks for all the survivalist bullets on my revolver 🙏

[tall torrent]

I use this

Elite + carapace

One shot both gunners in the head (dreg needs tag)
One shot both flamers in the head (need tag)

[glacial beacon]

so whats the overall best ranged weapon that isnt plasma/revovler/bolter

[wanton dawn]

Probably iag columnus. If you can accept the kick

Hellbore 1 and 2 are good as well

[glacial beacon]

i though 3 was the good one?

[forest blaze]

we did it, boys

[wanton dawn]

Got a weak bayonet

[sharp ember]

all helbores are balanced to personal taste

[tall torrent]

Helbore2
Columnus mk5

I think helbore2 is better than mk1 but just slightly

[wanton dawn]

Brauto agri is a nice option too

[tall torrent]

Mk1’s only real advantage is flamer 1 shot without crit

Bolter I wouldn’t put in top tier meta for vet

If plasma and revolver are S tier, bolter is more like A tier

[wanton dawn]

I feel like hb is above bolter but that might be me

[tall torrent]

I think S tier ranged weapons for vet are plasma, mk2 revolver, mk2 helbore and mk5 IAG

[wanton dawn]

i play more melee hb than ranged

[forest blaze]

I agree for sure

[tall torrent]

But A tier has a lot of options

[wanton dawn]

Mk1 and mk2 are not a tier of difference though

For hellbore

[tall torrent]

If mk1 had a lot better flak dps or better carapace dmg I’d put it at same lvl

But only having flamer 1 headshot without crit over helbore2 is not as big an upside compared to all the negatives

And even then the flamer 1 headshot is range limited

[wanton dawn]

Thats talent dependent though

[tall torrent]

There aren’t many talents that boost dmg to flamers

Tag keystone
10% Rending
Both of the 5% ranged dmg nodes

I guess if you run exe stance it’s a different story

[slender turtle]

I am now a firm believer in melee vet builds with the stealth holy shit

[wanton dawn]

I need to recheck my build 2s

[tall torrent]

Not a fan of MG12 now just because it’s not worth using without exe stance

[slender turtle]

Selfish build but holy, nothing will make you feel more like a leaping tiger with a flurry of power swords coming out of stealth

[wanton dawn]

Ah yes, i dont have the 15% elite

[tall torrent]

I don’t have 15% elite either

Helbore2 still can 1 headshot both gunners

Both 5% ranged dmg nodes + 30% weakpoint

[wanton dawn]

I might sound like a broken record but i still dont care that much about gunner...

[tall torrent]

Flamer one shot without crit on a range cap (reverse falloff at that) is just not that appealing to me

When bayonet one shots them anyway, and hb2 u can still hold for surgical to kick in to 1 tap

The only other breakpoint that mk1 hits and mk2 can’t is scab rager one tap headshot I think

[wanton dawn]

At the end of the day, i stick to my statement: i dont think mk1 and mk2 belongs in different tier

[eternal flare]

Is there a cowboy revolver build?

[slender turtle]

There is but it's not practical

[eternal flare]

Whats the dump stat for the new revolver

[rancid echo]

uhhh are any of the recon lasguns viable in high diff? im getting tired of deleting things with plasma

[vernal harbor]

Ye

[paper brook]

But the Plasma is so fun tho

[vernal harbor]

Stack crit and that one talent

[rancid echo]

its too strong i need to gimp myself

[paper brook]

Dumdum give me gumgum?

[rancid echo]

which mk of the recon lasguns is the best?

[paper brook]

Vld

[vernal harbor]

Recon so good I was skipping through heresy before I even really got into modifiers and stuff

Don’t even know what dumdum does

I know the recons laser cuts tho

[rancid echo]

heresy is doable on any weapon lol....

[rancid echo]

any special reason

[vernal harbor]

Man tell that to the mfs i get on quickplay

[rancid echo]

heresy is only hard because the worst players are playing heresy

[vernal harbor]

Got Clint Eastwood over here doing a last stand on a DH

[rancid echo]

the ones that are too stupid for damnation and too confident for malice (which is where they belong)

[vernal harbor]

Honestly malice is harder than heresy or damnation due to player cooperation

Everytime I’ve gone to malice to help people I look like a fraud because I’m fighting for my life to keep everything smooth

[rigid schooner]

so how do the braced autoguns stack up anyway? i remeber being told that graia is the way to go, but i was just told it's the worst

i always try to 'aim' it when shooting but it felt good and effective, at least

[rancid echo]

malice is literally soloable even if all the other dumbos go down

[paper brook]

Fast fire rate that pairs well with DumDum blessing which increases damage on continuous hits, stacks 5 times

Mainly for the DPS factor tho

[junior grail]

If solo play was an option, I'd speedrun malice anytime for that 8 mission and 16 grim scrip contract

[rigid schooner]

wait, the graia braced autogun is the one with the braced fire bonuses, right?

[frank basin]

Yes

Is funny I use pretend for m249

Tatatatatata

[rigid schooner]

is it the best of the 3?

[frank basin]

Not good for killing fast just some miscellaneous use

I did use as grey Graia (since my im broke on plasteel)

[rigid schooner]

so agri is optimal then or what

[frank basin]

Agrip like big caliber do good damage

Act like RPK

I still use and transcended my agrip

Columnus is middle ground between Graia and agrip

I remember I use them first time long ago.

[rigid schooner]

the columnus IAG is the close range fast firing one that i prefer

[frank basin]

Columnus meme as Rambo

[frank basin]

The Lasgun?

Or the autogun?

[rigid schooner]

infantry auto gun

IAG

[frank basin]

Ah

Yeah Columnus autogun does great with dumdum

I have on my psyker

[rigid schooner]

me too

[frank basin]

Damn good kill muttie in second

Agrip autogun like battle rifle

I think I might have it, don’t remember

[tidal rapids]

So between MG XII lasgun and Columnus IAG, which one would be better to have in the event a sqaud of maulers and/or crushers came along and the krak grenades are still recharging?

[flint garden]

zarona or plasma

[midnight mortar]

Neither.

Neither of those guns will really have an impact against maulers/crushers in that scenario.

You'd be relying on a melee weapon if you wanted to contribute.

[serene sage]

CIAG with Onslaught had a decent ttk against Crushers

[tidal rapids]

Regular specialists then, since powersword seems to serve well enough for anything up in my face

[serene sage]

You will be spending a decent amount of ammo though

[midnight mortar]

The XII will generally have a faster TTK than the CIAG. But the CIAG is technically easier to use.

It comes down to your preference with ranged weaponry.

[junior grail]

How about Graia IAG? I've seen both love and hate for that weapon

[rigid schooner]

middlechild syndrome

not bad, but doesn't really have a place

[spark sandal]

How is the new combat blade on vet, and is this one workable?

[wanton dawn]

Thats harsh for middle child

[old quail]

swap lacerate to uncanny and stamina to flak/cara and u have a p cool knife

[sharp ember]

does executor reset on miss

[old quail]

the mk6 is a sidegrade to the knife, which inherently limits how good it is

nope

[sharp ember]

or target change maybe

[old quail]

its really funny actually

it won't drop on miss

it will drop on bodyshot

(only on first target though, if u hit a hs and cleave and hit a body it keeps the stacks up)

(and if u hit multiple headshots in a swing it gives u multiple exe stacks)

[sharp ember]

well that’s not as bad as it could’ve been

[old quail]

it used to drop on dot which was lmao

i think exe on the new knife is fine, gives u a lil extra cleave and its competitive with precog iirc

[grizzled pebble]

Yeah seems good. I cleared twins hm with new knife.

Although I prefer flesh tearer to lacerate on vet and psyker because I pretty much only use push attack.

[slim urchin]

I personally pref MK3 but that’s just me

[grizzled pebble]

On zealot I like lacerate more beacause of fast attack speed.

[spark sandal]

And the columnus auto here?

[grizzled pebble]

It's good you can change both perks to flak and maniac.

[slim urchin]

Dum dum always great

[grizzled pebble]

My preference perks on columbus.

[spark sandal]

Oh, I thought I was going to have to swap the punishing !

[grizzled pebble]

You only need dumdum tbh.

[slim urchin]

I like fire frenzy or possibly speed load to replace top blessing but your choice

[grizzled pebble]

I like dumdum and sustained fire. But dumdum is the only blessing you need.

[spark sandal]

Thanks all for the advice ! I play so little Vet I've no confidence in it.

[slim urchin]

Is sustained fire the power on kill?

[spark sandal]

... I play it so little I apparently forgot I had this one already.

[grizzled pebble]

No more damage on 3rd and 4th shots in a salvo.

[grizzled pebble]

Something like that.

Punishing salvo is weak spot only.

Sustained fire is any shot.

[drifting oak]

Can someone explain why every pub on the stims-extraction level

insists on running into the fucking dead end that has no cover

spam pings on it and then everyone dies to gunners while they run around like idiots without anywhere to go

because they fucking put themselves in a dead end

[umbral scaffold]

It’s better off to not play pubs especially past heresy

[drifting oak]

eh, auric queues are usually fine

[umbral scaffold]

If you’re playing damnation and above this servers got LFG channels

[drifting oak]

but this one level gives people brainrot

nah, the LFG channels here are trash

[spark sandal]

I usually sit in the entering the arena hallway, with the turn and everything, and just close the gates sometimes if I feel like it

[drifting oak]

too many people looking for hard carry, i'd rather roll the dice

[slim urchin]

Carnival is just awful

[pure crag]

I just see the talent tree have reseted... What do you guys think? It is worth a build for bolter mid/short range?

[drifting oak]

carnival is fucking easy if you just rotate between the gates, moving around the map that much drives all the shooters crazy too

but no everyone just spams pings on the LITERAL DEAD END

what are you guys doing

[slim urchin]

It’s just an tedious map imo especially the breaking all the shit one

[umbral scaffold]

If you’re talking about the one spot at the end where people like to camp it’s because it’s a pretty easy choke point to take advantage of

[drifting oak]

you're joking right

it's a literal deathtrap

nowhere to retreat

[slim urchin]

Camping on the way you come in is pretty strong on that part

[umbral scaffold]

I don’t know what’s hard to get

[terse idol]

well you do want

[umbral scaffold]

there’s a very tight funnel for the enemies to go through on both ends

[terse idol]

Dum dum, with either Death Spitter, or Fire frenzy

You prooobably should swap punishing

[umbral scaffold]

Its easy to maintain coherency on that one spot as well

Idk maybe you just happen to be a one man army and don’t need to maintain any sort of coherency

[drifting oak]

yeah and the shooters line up on high mid and kill you all easily

bombers too

[umbral scaffold]

Not a problem to me I see enemy shooters and I kill them

[tropic imp]

Walls to the sides are very tall, bombers can't curve a bomb from outside of line of sight

So they end up just moving in front of the choke point

Where they can be killed easily

[slim urchin]

Also a lot of space to retreat into

[rigid schooner]

it's preferable to being shot from every single angle.
I've seen people demand to hold in the dead center

but the entrance hallway at least has one direction enemies can come from

in my experience gunners aren't that much of a menace, as you can retreat back past the opening, or they're in the wide open that any ranged gun can take em out

[spring pewter]

Whats the best melee weapon for veteran? For me i think its power sword 🧐

[midnight mortar]

Having tested both the psword and the lauded rashad in Twins hardmode, the rashad wins out objectively speaking.

[slim urchin]

Shovel kinda slap ngl

[midnight mortar]

The psword is a close 2nd.

The rashad is capable of killing bruisers faster than the psword is. The only areas where the Psword has a faster TTK than the rashad is against crushers and marginally against maulers. But given that best melee weapon is weighing more than just TTK, the rashad's dodges and better utility/defensive options give it the edge over the psword.

In a melee vet build, the rashad takes you further than the psword can.

Without melee talents though, the psword will still be a good bet.

[drifting oak]

Psword is kind of ass in twins because of just how much you have to run

I hate the rashad's moveset though

[midnight mortar]

Yeah, that's what I came to find. The psword lacked the flexibility to breathe against the twins.

[errant carbon]

I actually kind of hate how slow the Power Sword is without melee talents

[midnight mortar]

Its moveset takes a little bit of adjusting to, but with brutal momentum it really does become stronger than the psword.

[drifting oak]

yeah, but you can also just take BM psword lul

[midnight mortar]

The ability to sweep heads with a fast light felt really uncanny coming from the psword.

You can sure.

Just not in Twins. And for general use with a melee build vet I'd argue the rashad is a better melee weapon than the psword.

Only just, mind you.

The general profile of the rashad is much more even compared to the psword for offense and defense options.

[drifting oak]

I disagree, if you want BM memes the ps6 has the perfectly horizontal charged light, and the ps3 has the perfectly horizontal charged heavy

[midnight mortar]

The psword sacrifices its defense and dodges to achieve its optimal 1 hit horde clear.

The rashad doesn't need to in order to achieve the same effect.

That's my point.

I had my doubts seeing Azreal preach about the rashad in here I'll admit.

But trying it against Twins hardmode, his arguments have merit.

[drifting oak]

I've changed my mind about psword "dodges", it's totally able to squirt through hordes without any trouble just based on its charged killing power alone i've found

even if you miss a head

the charged swing sweeps through and staggers anyway

which is hilariously forgiving

if you miss a head with a combat axe you die i find, which is super awkward

[midnight mortar]

It's a dodge number and dodge distance issue. The psword needs that offense to be maintained and loses it if you get clipped by anything.
I can't say I had that experience with the rashad in hardmode Twins.

[drifting oak]

hardmode twins is a super scuffed fight with very different parameters than normal play, I agree there

[midnight mortar]

My melee engagements were far smoother and easygoing using the rashad than the psword there, if only because the Rashad gave more dodges and distance.

And I believe the reason for that is because the Twins fight demands more than just offense.

Which is why if we're talking about "best" veteran melee, I rank the rashad barely above the psword.

Because the "best" melee will strike the ideal balance between offense and defense with minimal costs.

[midnight mortar]

*By which I meant I didn't have an issue of missing a head with the caxe and then dying as a result.

[vernal harbor]

I swap PS only for personal fun but it sucks because I know it’s very much better than everything else for what you need it to do

My next best I personally like is the new catachan wide strike knife

Idk the names off my head but one perk is +3 bleed on non-weak hit and the other is ~+6 on a crit I think and then add the +1 for talent

[drifting oak]

The biggest thing about the PS is that you can get a full stagger without CONSUMING stamina

charge into either the light or heavy

and stagger an entire side of horde

[vernal harbor]

I’m a bloodborne man so I love moving at the speed of sound so I don’t need to block or anything and just draining the entire blood supply of everything is very fun

[drifting oak]

if you want to do something similar you need to get a HS kill with the combat axe and that may not always be possible, and you might miss even when it is

otherwise you have to use a pushattack and that deletes stamina

[vernal harbor]

Gentlemen what I’m telling you is that if you’re fast enough, you don’t need to

[drifting oak]

this means if you just had to sprint or just had to block for a rez, or just had to push a bunch to get out of a comedic spot

you're in deep shit

PS doesn't need pushattacks

[vernal harbor]

I’m on some freak shit and lap entire hordes or crusher squads not getting hit once and bleed em

[zealous wyvern]

my favourite is the chainsword followed by the shovel

the bayonet does not count

[vernal harbor]

(This isn’t practical but it’s fun)

[drifting oak]

helbore 1-2 bayonet is the best melee weapon in the game

why does it do so much damage

why does it ignore stagger res

why is it so fast

[vernal harbor]

Nother question why does 3 do so much less and in a terrible way

[glossy swallow]

Hello Veterans, just a quick question.

When it comes to the chainsword.

1. Which one is better in your opinion? I get that the normal one (Cadia Mk IV Assault) has Sweep Heavy Attacks and single-target Light Attacks, meanwhile the new one (Cadia Mk XIIg Assault) has single-target Heavy Attacks, and Sweep Light Attacks.
   I mean, for me it feels like the new one is better as using heavy attacks for single target just feels better, but maybe that would make the chainsword special ability not as useful and youd maybe forget about it?

2. What would be the best Blessings for the Chainsword?

Thanks

[midnight mortar]

Because they attempted to differentiate the 3 via a long charging period and with a different bayonet attack pattern. The problem is there's an input buffering bug with the mk3 that makes smooth transitions between charged shots to rapid uncharged shots impossible.

[midnight mortar]

The new chainsword's moveset really only makes it viable for single targets and thus rather mediocre. The old chainsword's horde clear moveset is actually light spam, this is because its l3 is a horizontal sweep and its attacks are very fast.

The specials on either chainsword are only used when it's safe to do so against a large opponent.

Typical blessings recommended are savage sweep and rampage. Wrath is a step below savage sweep.

[past stag]

whats the main diffirence between agripai and colomnus braced autoguns?

[drifting oak]

agrippna is bigger boolet

columnus smoler boolet

agri has better ammo/magazine economy overall

but columnus is better for stacking things like the rending-on-hit perk

[sterile whale]

hahaha wtf is this!

[jade notch]

Hadron giving you a fucking brick of a Lascarbine

[terse idol]

The marksmen gun

[vernal harbor]

It’s up to the player on what 1% modifiers would actually be on weapons but mobility id have no idea

(1,036 ammo)

It’s the fucking batteries I’d guess

[opaque bramble]

does survivalist stack if multiple vets have it?

[vernal harbor]

I think so

I know if I’m not in coherency but the other vet is, then his triggers

[glossy swallow]

Erm, how effective is "Keep Their Heads Down!" (+50% Ranged Attack Suppression.) on the Bolter?

[junior needle]

Entirely useless, like on every gun

[vernal harbor]

Like water cup on a fire

[jade notch]

It does not, just gives you more coverage since it procs on Coherency to the Vet who has it, IIRC

[vernal harbor]

Not only useless but if you’re the designated marksman it actually hurts you by forcing the little dudes to scatter into cover

[glossy swallow]

But maybe i'm more scared of them than they are scared of me? So you're telling me they would all scatter real quick from my screen? Up to which unit?

[vernal harbor]

Just the non special ranged guys and it’s 50/50 whether gunners even care

[glossy swallow]

Ouf

[vernal harbor]

Not really either, imagine they just take up really good fortified positions against you

And they’ll start firing from cover and it’s harder to hit them

[glossy swallow]

Like a lil hide and seek mini-game

[vernal harbor]

Ye

[glossy swallow]

Hmmmmmmmmm

[vernal harbor]

Suppression works if you follow it up with a melee charge tho

Most don’t so it’s just giving them a bonus for defense

[glossy swallow]

Maybe it's not worth it afterall

But what if, I come out of stealth and start blasting to save my team? Would that make me a hero?

Or would the threaten my family for eternity cuz im using "Keep Their Heads Down"

[rose drum]

Doesnt the bolter have a million suppresion anyway

[glossy swallow]

But, hear me out. +50% 👀

[vernal harbor]

It’s just to trigger it

[rose drum]

Also, doesnt the bolter have good stagger?

[vernal harbor]

It doesn’t keep them down

[junior needle]

It's not worth going into suppression, it's a very minor (if any) utility. Get more damage and survivability.

[glossy swallow]

So a million suppresion +50% = Erm, more

[rose drum]

Still, yeah, you never want suppresion imo

Just makes killing slower

[vernal harbor]

Also doesn’t the bolter literally explode on impact so the actual aoe of the suppression effect is the aoe of the impact

[rose drum]

^

Thats what i meant

[glossy swallow]

Erm, well

[vernal harbor]

Go ahead and just turn that bolter back into the armory for us Burger

[glossy swallow]

😔

Ok..

[vernal harbor]

It’s okay lad

Suppression was already the wrong direction 😔

[rose drum]

Just like Pandora IX, ain't it?

[glossy swallow]

😔 sad n such

[vernal harbor]

If you want suppression (fuck what we think) id recommend a Agrippa braced

I run it for fun and it’s Rambo stuff

[glossy swallow]

Braced? More like, erm, like, not Bolter

[vernal harbor]

Braced has horrible accuracy

[glossy swallow]

Just like me

[vernal harbor]

So the bullets will scatter into the back and create more suppression

Then you’ll love it

[glossy swallow]

[rose drum]

Just dont expect to snipe targets

[glossy swallow]

Challenge accepted

[vernal harbor]

Or harm anything further than the tip of your wee wee

But by the emperor they’ll be suppressed

[glossy swallow]

[small echo]

Worth?

[glad mountain]

what melee weapon is meta for vet ?

[lofty lintel]

Nah its a taxe

Unless you like them

[midnight mortar]

Windows Key + Shift + S will let you copy paste a screenshot. And no.

[midnight mortar]

You have a number to choose from including the Power Sword mk6 and the Rashad Combat Axe mk2.

I can't recall the others at this moment.

[patent orbit]

og shovel

[glad mountain]

i like power sword . but i have tried to roll cycler so many time a got mad lol

[glad mountain]

hooo yeh

[vocal charm]

i'm super salty i got this NOT on my vet

i do have a question about boltguns, does the "2-round burst" count as "continuous fire"

i wouldnt think so, but i'm never sure

[glad mountain]

i do XD

shared inv should be a thing i think

[sharp ember]

it’s full auto, just minimum 2 rounds fired

that being said

[vocal charm]

it's used on my zealot @sharp ember

[sharp ember]

huh i guess 2 rounds is enough to activate the blessings

[vocal charm]

so it's just uber tank critical hit BS uber damage right up in their face

with this thunder hammer to back it up (it's not that good, i just made it today)

my preference is this goofy thihg

vfroom froom gotta go fast!

[small echo]

Doesn't work on my laptop

[bronze atlas]

Continuous fire ends when your recoil fully resets iirc

Same as salvos i think?

[idle carbon]

only works on windows 10 and 11
if you're still on win7, well, it's about time you dropped it for a personal PC anyway heh

[small echo]

Yeah mines windows 11 and it crashes whenever I take screenshots or alt tab

[placid portal]

Nah you have to be constantly firing at full auto or fast as possible if semi

infact I think semi fire from boltgun will not build calvacade no?

[celest vine]

Its going to be your best lasgun

It could be worse tho

[midnight mortar]

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/use-snipping-tool-to-capture-screenshots-00246869-1843-655f-f220-97299b865f6b
This makes your laptop crash?

[small echo]

Any app I use outside darktide or any games really, hangs my laptop to the point I have to restart it

I'm planning to upgrade my old laptop to a personal system

Thanks for the tips

[placid portal]

Somebody put mercury in the lasgun

Thing is too heavy

[celest vine]

Nah its extra damage

[zealous wyvern]

@timid basalt you were right about me behaving like a crying baby. thank you

[umbral garnet]

I got this and I know the blessings might not be T4s but this seems like a decent chainsword

Any suggestions on what to change?

I'm thinking of adding maniac damage. Or carapace. Not sure.

[junior needle]

Stamina>unarmored for better clear or maniac assuming you actually use it on naked ragers often enough. I'd go with unarmored personally.

[junior needle]

I'm not terribly familiar with the new chainsword but since it uses lights for clear you may want to exchange savage sweep for wrath if your lights can't natively cleave through 3 bruisers without blessings active

Otherwise you'll get cucked out of activating rampage

[umbral garnet]

Fair.

[junior needle]

Regular chainsword has this problem with its lights too

But it can bypass this by using a heavy at the start

[umbral garnet]

I'll see what I can do.

[pulsar drift]

Should I get it?

[junior needle]

3/4 scuffed at least, and I'd prefer unarmored/flak as perks

I wouldn't, personally

[pulsar drift]

oki

[devout coral]

Shovel Squad

[zealous wyvern]

i dig it

[nimble sentinel]

this pun hurts me deeply

[umbral garnet]

A groundbreaking trend.

[orchid musk]

Was it a feeling you had buried deep down?

[zealous wyvern]

you need to make some spade for jokes in your life

cant be all business

[umbral garnet]

Don't need to make a mountain out of a mole's hill.

[zealous wyvern]

ok

[nimble sentinel]

I might be in over my head

[zealous wyvern]

the wordplays are escavating

stop it

[umbral garnet]

They're getting a bit dirty.

[teal gust]

Please mommy Hadron, don't brick this weapon.

[zealous wyvern]

charge rate 57%

not perfect try again

this will do as a placeholder

ammo/thermal resistance for dump stats

[nimble sentinel]

it's already fit for a burial

[umbral garnet]

Speaking of plasma guns

This one has been doing me wonders.

[zealous wyvern]

solid placeholder

it can do some heavy lifting

[umbral garnet]

Still looking for T4 rampage on my fucking devil's claw.

[zealous wyvern]

you will find it in time, Emperor willing

[tidal rapids]

What should I change about this weapon?

[celest vine]

Ngl this is a brick

[zealous wyvern]

i am proud of veteran chat exhausting all shovel puns

well done

[celest vine]

Put it in the grave with that one

[zealous wyvern]

no no no no

hold on

i know what you should do

[nimble sentinel]

there might be more buried somewhere in here

[zealous wyvern]

sprint efficiency

you keep

maniac dmg is good

you keep

i would change the blessings to the duck and dive combination

is that still a thing?

i dont remember the blessing names

there is this tricky combination of things involving lots of sprinting

[slim rivet]

worth to replace or wait for another?

[nimble sentinel]

I'd wait, it's not the greatest and you're low on melkbux

[wet pendant]

i am kinda bored of the boltgun

kinda want to switch wweapon how decent is this

and what i should look for in similar weapons

[lofty lintel]

Dont even bother wasting plasteel

[sharp ember]

The graia brauto is a decent weapon, not super strong but useable. This weapon needs both perks changed to flak + maniac. The blessings can be worked with as is

usually you want Fire Frenzy + Deathspitter

but fixing perks takes priority

[wet pendant]

What is carapace and flaked enemies

[sharp ember]

carapace is only crushers and the helmets of maulers

[wet pendant]

I have to find some guide because I am playing on the hardest difficulty with randoms but I barely know how to recognize enemies

[safe dawn]

also the random armored bits on Bulwarks

and the helmets of the Twins

[sharp ember]

it is generally a very bad idea to take carapace perk on a weapon that isn’t effective against it

turning your 4 damage bullet into 5 damage isn’t very useful

[wet pendant]

I built a plasma gun and holy I am not used to not being able to right click to aim

Bolt gun goes brrr

[versed merlin]

man im almost 300 hours in in this game, play on north asia and never found toxic players in chat so far. today i created a new character to play with an aussie friend who just started. he was doing very good so i thought he could handle t3 - which he did pretty well - then there was 2 other guys almost 30 shitting on us for being low level and playing t3 saying we better knew what we were doing cuz he werent going to carry our asses. my friend died once and he typed : fall behind, left behind. i didnt see he was at the back. then during the rescue the other player started teabagging my friend, like what the fuck man. how come can you be such a fucking virgin in a pve game dude

[safe dawn]

Malice is hell

Worst part of the leveling experience

[versed merlin]

there's absolute no reason to be this shitty in a low level difficulty, like what kind of threats does t3 even pose???

[sharp ember]

imagine pretending you’re hot shit in t3

[versed merlin]

i think there's not even deamonhosts in t3

[cedar pecan]

there are

[safe dawn]

There are

[versed merlin]

oh well

[cedar pecan]

I use T3 for mission count penance grinding

[wet pendant]

Welp you still have to learn the game on t3 and not everybody is super sweaty

[sharp ember]

they did recently nerf DH frequency in lower difficulties, not sure if malice included

[cedar pecan]

since it's pretty much guaranteed to be a success

[wet pendant]

Like some horde can overwhelm people

And not knowing best spot to deal with them can make a simple run into a stinky one

[versed merlin]

well, if you're that good, then why tf are you even doing in t3

my friend left after this cuz he started feeling bad for being bad like it was his fault

[sick marsh]

HOOOW, is this?

[umbral garnet]

Need better shredder.

[safe dawn]

T3 is where you find the worst players; people too scared to even go to Heresy, or who just want a power trip
Alongside actual newbies who haven't quite figured out what a "push attack" is
And when you're leveling you don't have your build filled out so everything is weird.

[versed merlin]

not good if you want to use special attacks

[blazing veldt]

malice is where the creatures live

[safe dawn]

Also as someone who is finally getting around to leveling my Vet, the new default Ability is hot garbage

[sharp ember]

worth upgrading imo, you can get away with low shredder if your victims die in the same amount of saws

and you can compensate with Bloodletter if you want

[versed merlin]

after that, i decided to equip some portraits and the twins hardmode insignia on my lowbie just so i can avoid these type of behaviour

[teal abyss]

Malice just feels too easy to fail even with dipshit teammates

Heresy is worse

[cedar pecan]

just saw this at Melk's, is it usable or should I hold out on buying it

[eternal sable]

buy or no ?

[eternal sable]

perfcet roll but both the perks are bricked

you could buy and keep carapace, slap hand cannon on there and call it a day

def not optimal but still good

[cedar pecan]

If it aint close to optimal then I don't think it's worth it since I don't even play revolver rn

[eternal sable]

was in my shop yesterday

t3 but still juice

[tiny summit]

People that aren't terminally online or as engaged as people in a discord. People forget the vast majority of people who buy and play games aren't exactly good at them. They bought the game on sale or playing on game pass.

[versed merlin]

still, that does not excuse you to being an toxic "elitist"

[unreal drum]

eh, depends on the context.

[tiny summit]

Oh definitely not excusing it. Only saw the message I replied to

[versed merlin]

just read above the message legate replied to mine

[tiny summit]

Shitty people everywhere

[lofty lintel]

i only fw ogryns

[versed merlin]

yeah but i would never expect seeing lol players in this type of game

[lofty lintel]

[unreal drum]

If I take someone on a raid in an MMO, I tell everyone before hand, if you can't be here for 1 hour with no interruptions please don't come becasue if you get distracted and fuck up you will literally ruin the progress of 100 other people. Then someone turns around and doesn't follow a simple instruction and gets the whole raid wiped and wasted an hour + of 100 peoples time. I ain't gonna be nice about it.

[tiny summit]

"Carrying in malice", the fuck though. I think my chill games is base damn on controller

[versed merlin]

and what does that even has to do with a low level player queueing up to a fucking TIER 3 difficulty in this game?

please i want to know

[lofty lintel]

true

[versed merlin]

cause im a mmo player and im in 2 cores rn

[unreal drum]

In this game. People queueing up for AMs that have zero business even being in damnnation that get carried through everything then do dumbshit like get the group wiped by pulling way to much stuff because they don't know fuck from fuck.... 20min into the mission.. Like come on man....

[versed merlin]

auric maelstrom

bro are you high

[lofty lintel]

hes talking about malice

[versed merlin]

malice dude

lmao

[unreal drum]

I'm just talking in general sirs.

[lofty lintel]

his newbie friend playing on malice getting shit on by 2 idiots

i mean ive seen that happen before

[unreal drum]

malice is FOR SURE where everyone belongs.

[lofty lintel]

on all dificulties

[unreal drum]

That's where you go to learn.

Oh, that's fucked, don't be shitting on people learning to play in malice.

[lofty lintel]

fr

[versed merlin]

still, even in AM, if i see a bad player, im just going to block them and move on, i dont need to lecture them or something

[unreal drum]

I 100% will help anyone getting fucked in malice.

[lofty lintel]

in any mission if i see a bad player it doesnt matter

[unreal drum]

Oh for sure, I ain't gonna waste energy on them, it's just a general annoyance.

[blazing veldt]

yeah, go shit on people in sedition

[lofty lintel]

if at least me and somebody else perform well itll be fine

[versed merlin]

lmao exactly

[unreal drum]

I wish they had a mission type that was speciaically for learning.

[versed merlin]

i just hope theres enough aussie players in this game so me and my friend doesnt end up queueing with those 2 sweaty cunts again

[blazing veldt]

they gotta make uprising maelstrom

[unreal drum]

Vets could join with the express purpose of mentoring people.

[versed merlin]

that would be cool tbh

[gritty dock]

No, bad perks, medium blessing.

[blazing veldt]

like downgraded trappers with smaller nets and muties that slam only twice

lesser histg for lesser difficulties

[unreal drum]

No no, let everything be the same, just have the mission set at "Mentoring" or something.

[versed merlin]

tbh, coming from vermintide i think the difficulty gap between tiers in this game isnt as big as it is in the previous game

[unreal drum]

So people that aren't sure if they belong in that difficulty can play it and get helped out by higher level people

[versed merlin]

so at least at that, its already a improvement

[unreal drum]

At different stages of the game its been different. I remember damnnation missions when the game came out that were nearly impossible to beat.

[versed merlin]

damn

well, they made it better at least

[blazing veldt]

or also just make true level a base game feature

[elder vessel]

They should add special dodging to the psykhanium tutorial

Make you dodge a mutant and show you the que for doing so

[versed merlin]

yeaah that would be good

get the timing of things

not just mutie

but everything honestly

crushers, maulers, trappers

[elder vessel]

Yeah

[blazing veldt]

every other tutorial is a blocking and dodging tutorial

[versed merlin]

but at least my friend is a gamer and he performed pretty well in his first t3. wasnt that far behind in the scoreboard. i recon he'll be in am's with me in no time

[lofty lintel]

anyone else occasionally doesnt hear the poxburster sound effects

[versed merlin]

me

[lofty lintel]

they gotta fix that

[versed merlin]

i thought i was just deaf or something

maybe my headset was failing

glad im not the only one

[muted knot]

going well so far

[unreal drum]

Tell your friends that bar for doing higher level stuff is basically being able to ignore hordes. If they can make it through missions and not lose health or get tied up by hordes they are doing well.

[lofty lintel]

just sold an auric damnation because a poxburster that was obviously a proficient ninja snuck up behind and killed me

[tiny summit]

Nice. When my bro's PC gets fixed I'll be taking him to malice and heresy, wanted to give him a few levels first and see the game but even he thinks that uprising and sedition are too calm

[lofty lintel]

my friend gets destroyed on malice and heresy

im kinda just boosting him

[near sable]

take him to hard mode

[unreal drum]

eh, slaughterer and extra charge attacks is really the only things you want here.

[near sable]

[versed merlin]

yeah man, for sure. he bought a zarona revolver and mf is hitting headshots in all specials and elites already. he's mainly in his melee weapon for hordes and thats already a big step imo

[blazing veldt]

make him to true solo orthus offensive and when he gets stuck on the invisible wall tell him it's a puzzle he has to figure out

[versed merlin]

nice thats the right step. i was completely lost in t1 and t2 when i started, if they're already at this level, then they'll be big in no time

lmao

speaking in true solo twins

i saw in this chat people saying there were already some true solo hardmode

[lofty lintel]

level 165 veteran running this thing

[versed merlin]

but i cant find it in youtube

[blazing veldt]

impossible

[versed merlin]

does anyone knows if theres an actual footage of it?

[blazing veldt]

orthus offensive is broken in trusolo

[lofty lintel]

true level doesnt mean anything

[unreal drum]

why bro? lol

[lofty lintel]

idk im not gonna ask him

[blazing veldt]

fsr none of the karnak content works with mods

[elder vessel]

It means everything bro

[versed merlin]

at least they know the right dump stat

[lofty lintel]

😭

clearly not

[unreal drum]

Oh, lol, I thought you ment you were the 165 vet running that.

[lofty lintel]

oh no

[blazing veldt]

orthus offensive won't let you hit the bells and it has an invisible wall and karnak twins can't be spawned they just disappear into the brap cloud as soon as you do

[lofty lintel]

i run classic power cycler and bromentum

[versed merlin]

huh

interesting

[tiny summit]

I question if he knows the existence of PC4 or this was like his first high level PS and hadron has fucked all the others

[lofty lintel]

no clue lmao

hes just going with the flow

i respect it

[unreal drum]

If he's 165 there's no way he's got fucked that hard.

[versed merlin]

you gotta put some effort to hit 160

[unreal drum]

Like, I wouldn't even use a mk6 without PS4.

PC4

[versed merlin]

im almost 300 hours and im still 140 on my vet

ps4

[unreal drum]

lol

[near sable]

Ps2

[tiny summit]

Also...considering how Fatshark calculates dmg like crit dmg unless you actually look up how it works, you'd likely think it's giving you mad value.

[unreal drum]

fucking zzeeroooo value on crit damage.

[versed merlin]

thats true

[blazing veldt]

value?

[unreal drum]

That's so stupid.

[blazing veldt]

twinned blast?

[versed merlin]

i used to think the crit dmg perk was god fucking bis by a long shot

[lofty lintel]

i have to say chainaxe is amazing

[unreal drum]

I'm just super stoked that my off-meta vet build absolutely slaps and out DPSes literally everything.

[tiny summit]

It is. Too bad I like my helbore bayonet more

[unreal drum]

Have yet to be out damaged by anything.

Like, not even close.

[versed merlin]

i respect people who helbore all their way in

[tiny summit]

What build is that?

[lofty lintel]

then its not really off meta is it

[versed merlin]

cause i hated the lack of cleave that thing has

[tiny summit]

It feels good when the only time I bring out melee is to push a burster

[unreal drum]

uhhhh, just a sec, ill have to make it on builder.

[pulsar drift]

Is shattering impact good on plasma gun

Or should I swap it to blaze away

[versed merlin]

shattering will only have a good value at things you're slow to kill

like crusher and monstruosities

considering you're not charging to shoot crushers

[lofty lintel]

thats a boss melter fo sho

[sharp ember]

blaze away is gonna be better overall, unless you test and find out SI reduces your hits to kill a crusher

[versed merlin]

now that i think about it

what is the play for perks on a plasma gun anyway?

[unreal drum]

Here's what I'm running. https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9ae0f6b7-9bfa-4971-a245-35f3e5e2a5ee

[pulsar drift]

Also for bosses it’s better to charge or not charge

[umbral garnet]

+Maniacs is huge because it helps you meet some breakpoints I'm pretty sure.

[tiny summit]

Tried out onslaught with it? Don't have time with brautos

[versed merlin]

non charge

gotta respect that you're not running iron will there

you're a mad lad no doubt

i would never tho

[unreal drum]

No need for iron will at all.

After they fixed ET.

[versed merlin]

how do you even get weakspot kills with brautos?

[unreal drum]

Would be totally overkill.

[unreal drum]

Shoot them in the fucking face, just like everything else.

[versed merlin]

does alternate fire makes your shots be more precise?

[toxic leaf]

i think its maniac and then preference, i use flak or unyielding

[unreal drum]

I never use alt fire, ever.

[toxic leaf]

maniac lets you body shot trappers and bombers afaik

[tiny summit]

But with ET, CK and Iron will I'm fucking invincible standing in the middle of rooms of gunnrrs

[unreal drum]

I'm already invincible, and they're all suppressed anyways.

And if they aren't ssuppressed and they're a real problem they have a lot of bleeds on them from grenades.

[toxic leaf]

IF IT BLEEDS, YOU CAN KILL IT

[near sable]

if you want to actually be invincible against ranged go use ghost

[unreal drum]

mk8bag even suppresses reapers.

Your powersword can kill anything.

[tiny summit]

I'm invincible

[unreal drum]

If there's a room that's a problem you toss some grenades.

[near sable]

I'm invincible

[versed merlin]

i'm vincible

[unreal drum]

Queue cryo tanks!

I also ran that build for hardmode twins and did really well.

[tight orbit]

@formal lake Hows this for a Rashad? quite a good roll! nothing locked so far 😄 Only real weakness is the mobility is maxed at 4 dodges out of 5 :/ bit of a shame

[versed merlin]

i can see that thing blasting on twins

[near sable]

sneeds carapace

[versed merlin]

brautos and iags are god tier to melt the melee gal shield

[unreal drum]

Yes sir.

[sharp ember]

minding the mobility, the rest of it is in a position to easily reach bruiser 1 headshot breakpoint

[versed merlin]

plus shredder grenades there does wonders

[unreal drum]

frag nades kill entire roooooommmsss

[sharp ember]

which massively elevates how good it is

[unreal drum]

And twinned blast is actually worth it.

[tight orbit]

id rather keep it more flexible on the perks.

[tight orbit]

noice wan bruv

[sharp ember]

keep the perks

[versed merlin]

honestly i've been very tempted to try twinned blast

[safe dawn]

twinned blast krak grenades

kill the Crusher twice

[near sable]

sir once you put a perk on you can change it

[versed merlin]

too much trouble

[sharp ember]

check how many melee damage nodes you need to reach the breakpoint, or replace Thunderous with Headtaker/Decimator

[unreal drum]

I have a build thats exactly the same but with kraks, just depends on what I'm feeling.

[tight orbit]

I tried it for a bit and the second "free" grenade doesnt happen too often and when it does, the second one isn't as accurate as the first throw, it kinda goes off at an angle.

[versed merlin]

oh so you can see the second one being thrown?

[tiny summit]

Love seeing the 2nd bounce on a door

[unreal drum]

For sure replace thunder with headtaker and unarmored with maniac, cap, or unyeilding.

[sharp ember]

also: Weakpoint damage bonus nodes help too, the ones in the left and right tree

[unreal drum]

That's why its do great with frag nades. Doesn't really matter where it lands as long as it's in the general area.

[tight orbit]

yeah i was gonna go with headtaker but im curious if the brittleness blessing will interact with my psykers venting shriek soulblaze dot damage.

[tight orbit]

yeah kinda half way up in the air the second one kinda pops off the first like the spoon on the hand grenade popping off.

[sharp ember]

sounds funny but i dont have high hopes for it

[unreal drum]

You got that axe on a psyker?

[sharp ember]

twined nades kinda split in a fork in mid-air

its hard to see during chaos, wish it had a sound effect

[tight orbit]

yeah thats a good point, i should definitely keep that in mind when running a BM rashad

[tight orbit]

yep, it was a mission reward axe i got ages ago and kept around as the stats looked decent on it, back when the antax V was all the rage.

[tight orbit]

yeah thats a better description of it from my experience as well

[unreal drum]

I would almost trash it for the mk4 BM and roll that axe on a zealot.

rashad with mk4 BM/HT on a zealot martyr build is fucking bonkers.

[tight orbit]

id imagine so

[unreal drum]

With stealth is probably one of the best carry builds in the game.

[sharp ember]

do you run ult cooldown on backstab kills? never tried stealth zealot out of fear that i’d always be fighting from the front

and hardly ever benefit from it

[unreal drum]

No.

[tiny summit]

I tried knife zealot once. You get more backstabs than you'd think

[unreal drum]

I love my knife zealots.

[sharp ember]

the only zealot i know how to play is relic with crit hit cooldown

[lofty lintel]

i love zealot

[unreal drum]

It's a lot of micro managing though with all the movement and spammy attacks.

[lofty lintel]

i love playing chainaxe marty

too fun

[sharp ember]

not sure how i feel about ult cooldown on taking damage

[lofty lintel]

its not that good

[versed merlin]

do you pick any of the cdr nodes?

[unreal drum]

Nope.

[versed merlin]

would appreciate a loadout screenshot if you could

im learning the zealot way

[lofty lintel]

rn im liking zealot better than veteran

had to say it.

[unreal drum]

Only really use the stealth to do objective and get the frist attack on bosses, or crushers.

Not really using it to go ahead and sneak up on shit.

[versed merlin]

i still prefer vet, cuz zealot makes me feel like im playing vermintide and i played that shit so much that im tired of the melee combat lol

[lofty lintel]

its the other way around ofr me

[south garnet]

what the hell

[lofty lintel]

played too much victor saltzpyre

[south garnet]

if you're gonna post gore please spoiler it

[lofty lintel]

LOL

he had like as many wounds as i did too

[versed merlin]

lmao

[lofty lintel]

and im a marty zealot

[versed merlin]

LMAO

NO WAY

[south garnet]

[versed merlin]

wait

[lofty lintel]

hi intensity damnation btw

[versed merlin]

what difficulty is that again

o shit

[safe dawn]

Marty Zealot with less than 7 wounds
Heresy

[lofty lintel]

no i have 7 wounds

[tiny summit]

Look again

[safe dawn]

he said "he had like as many wounds as I do"

[lofty lintel]

its just a way of saying

[safe dawn]

thought that meant he was also running 5 wounds lol

[lofty lintel]

no veteran has that many wounds

[versed merlin]

thats just the budget zealot

[lofty lintel]

unless theres some secret martyrom veteran easter egg im missing out o

[sharp ember]

you can’t fool me with that helmet, veteran

you’re on MALICE

[analog blaze]

I like infiltrate for picking up teammates and sometimes repositioning as well.

[tiny summit]

I've seen vets with 3 wound curios

[versed merlin]

man i feel like any wound curio is an overkill on vet

[umbral garnet]

THAT is grounds for heresy.

[versed merlin]

cause vet is so tanky on aurics

[south garnet]

Even a single wound is generally optional in capable hands, more than 1 extra wound is like what the hell are you doing, are you planning on AFKing every horde and resuming play after we pick you up and walk to the next room?

[versed merlin]

and if you die in that difficulty, doesnt matter the class, you're fucked up and you'll probably go to rescue

[lofty lintel]

more res opportunities(?)

[safe dawn]

IMO running a +1 Wound Curio has been made quite a bit worse with the introduction of med stimms

[toxic leaf]

anecdotally, ive had more success using a single wound curio on auric than not

[safe dawn]

I used to run one on some builds but nowadays I find it harder to justify

[low oar]

Does one expect to fuck up that many times in between med stations or even a med stimm?

[toxic leaf]

that one death can sometimes be the difference

[south garnet]

I like 1 wound as a safety because sometimes that last shoestring wound does pivot you and then sometimes by proxy the team into success, but man

[analog blaze]

This is my thought too. Literally let's you double the healing of med stim.

That said people grabbing grimoires make me want more wounds lol

[toxic leaf]

2x toughness, 1x wound, sometimes i drop the wound or toughness for stamina

[lofty lintel]

i only grab grimoires for the melk contract

[tiny summit]

3 wounds is still value as its still more than its 25% base

[versed merlin]

i cant, i only stick with either 1 stam 2 toughness or even 3 toughness lol

[south garnet]

The med stim is a solid argument, the downside is that it relies on either you finding one first or a teammate both not forgetting they have it AND being willing to use it on you without you specifically asking, since you can't tell which stim is which in the non-mod tooltip

[toxic leaf]

i play exclusively quick play auric, so the 1 extra wound is heding

hedging

[pulsar drift]

Emm

Am I the only one running 1t 2h?

[toxic leaf]

sometimes im not playing my best, sometimes my teammates are not, et cetera

[crude ermine]

I just use 1 health and 2 toughness

[pulsar drift]

Or 1h2t

[sharp ember]

luv me med stims

[versed merlin]

more toughness = more iron will threshold

[pulsar drift]

Occasionally 1h1t1stam

[sharp ember]

i’m 1st2t

[lofty lintel]

on veteran? 2h 1t

2h 1st

[pulsar drift]

I just kinda don’t trust toughness that much

[toxic leaf]

i prefer 2t, 1 flex for curious

[lofty lintel]

dont need toughness

[toxic leaf]

assuming voice of command ofc

[versed merlin]

at least thats how my monke brain sees the maths

[sharp ember]

same

[lofty lintel]

more toughness doesnt matter because voice of command

[toxic leaf]

voc instantly genning back more toughness though

[lofty lintel]

the overtoughness makes you able to tank a crusher hit whether you have 3 toughness curios or not

not good on veteran

[pulsar drift]

But tbh

[toxic leaf]

health just gets leeched through by damage but toughness is forever

[lofty lintel]

YEP

yep*

[pulsar drift]

Is more on personal preference

[tiny summit]

Sometimes you get grabbed by a mutant and a burster is joining the fun. Sometimes you don't hear the burster. Sometimes...shit happens. I've been running zero wounds lately but I completely get it have 1.

[lofty lintel]

2h 1st is the way for vet

[pulsar drift]

I have seen ppl running 3h

[lofty lintel]

or strait up 3h

[versed merlin]

i know some mad lads that run 3 stam in this chat

[toxic leaf]

i dunno, i like my toughness curios, vet already has like 180 base health

[pulsar drift]

I used to run 1stam 1 health 1 toughness

It was kinda the balancing point

[versed merlin]

that is completely good too

but stam is more if you're using deadshot for long periods

[pulsar drift]

IMO it’s completely personal preference

[toxic leaf]

yea ive been using 2t 1 stam since triyng deadshot revolver, its noticeably better

would never run stam withotu deadshot

[tiny summit]

I like stam because I want to run more

[pulsar drift]

Cuz builds these days can result in different toughness

[lofty lintel]

on deadshot builds i run 2stamina 1h

[pulsar drift]

Sometime you would have 150 sometime 200

[lofty lintel]

if exe stance 2st 1t

[pulsar drift]

Rly depends on the build

Personally I feel like 170-200 is the like most balanced

[versed merlin]

no its not stop ruining our arguments!!!11!1

[pulsar drift]

If VOC then it can be as low as 150

[urban steppe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNa86T4izbo feed ? whooo ?? what will come now boyzzz

[versed merlin]

oh shit

already

damn fatshark

im not used to all that spoiling

[pulsar drift]

Fat shark been storing up years just for now

[versed merlin]

vermintide was so dead fuck when i played it

and now they're just spoiling us like this

[pulsar drift]

For the past three months

[versed merlin]

hopefully some good vet drips

[pulsar drift]

It’s like new content dropping one by one

[versed merlin]

ikr

like wtf

is that even fatshark

the same fatshark from vermintide

[pulsar drift]

Something is wrong with their update schedule

[south garnet]

I do stam+tough+wound

But I'm opening my mind to 3 stam

[pulsar drift]

Guess might be someone who rly cares about the game in charge now

[versed merlin]

hopefully, that someone is a pc player

[tiny summit]

Like who knows how much other stuff they've been cooking during this entire year on fixing the game. Or even what they had cooking when they initially launched

[pulsar drift]

Or just an assumption

They are trying boost up the players so that they can have a better report for their boss

[south garnet]

Vox is cheap

[pulsar drift]

Just thinking about how many players they lost over year and now many have come back

[south garnet]

I'll sing hallelujah once I see more stuff drop