veteran-class

[trim breach]

still annoying asf

:v

[sharp ember]

unyielding isn’t a bad thing to have on this

[tall torrent]

The only armor u should care abt are head & chest

[trim breach]

so...

should I consecrate the shotgun one more time?

[tall torrent]

This game punishes ur dps a bit too much when you’re not hitting headshots for most of ur weapons

[trim breach]

i see

[tall torrent]

U could

I think it’s serviceable but not the best

But again

65% stopping power is eh

[trim breach]

cuz its either this shotgun or the boltor

[sharp ember]

65% probably isn't going to screw them out of a shot breakpoint

i'll eat my hat if it makes anything barely survive with 1hp

[trim breach]

fuq it

imma yolo this

[tall torrent]

I haven’t worked out Boltgun breakpoints yet

Ranged weapon breakpoints can be either very generic or very specific

[trim breach]

ta da :p

i'll change the range dmg to carapace or flak later

actually

what about maniac

[crude ermine]

Id go with flak over cara but ye do ye

Maniac ain't bad either

[trim breach]

i dont think I seen one yet

unless its the dual wielding psycho-krieg wannabes

[scenic bronze]

Am I crazy for considering upgrading to transcendent just to sell for dockets

[tall torrent]

Depends on what your lvl is

And how much plasteel u have

And how many blessings you’ve earned

[scenic bronze]

I guess hadrons sticker book is mostly filled out

[tall torrent]

Better to just farm for dockets in damnation

Run +10% dockets on all 3 of ur curios

[scenic bronze]

Never know if you might need to buy a 50k plasteel upgrade or something

[sharp ember]

+30% dockets curio meta

[crude ermine]

Or run the special conditions for even more if you're not already doing auric

[umbral scaffold]

game freezing every 3 secs is killing my aim man

it hurts

garbo or can this be good dont wanna waste upgrading it if its garb

[tall torrent]

Playable
Take to gold

If u get surgical or hand cannon next, swap speedload, and crit dmg to carapace

If next blessing is neither, swap both blessings

[tight orbit]

Deathspitter or Fire Frenzy for autoguns? "Power" is better than "Damage" I assume? both seem to last 3.5 seconds but Fire Frenzy seems to stack 5 times, whereas theres nothing about Deathspitter stacking.

[tall torrent]

Deathspitter also stacks 5 times

Power is dmg, cleave & stagger

[umbral scaffold]

the emporor blessed me whit surgical 4

[tight orbit]

oh cool, cheers

[tall torrent]

+5% power = +5% damage, +5% stagger, +5% cleave

[tight orbit]

wonder why it doesn't say that then

[tall torrent]

Godroll revolver then

[versed merlin]

welcome to fatshark gaming

[tall torrent]

Crit dmg to carapace, speedload to hand cannon

[tight orbit]

there's a lot of guesstimates to this game at times lol

[tall torrent]

That’s a 547 rating revolver

[versed merlin]

thats fatshark's signature

[umbral scaffold]

praise the Omnissiah

[lusty jetty]

Heyyyyy Hadron didn't brick it!

Today is a good day

[versed merlin]

why does your infantry gun looks like a sniper rifle

[lusty jetty]

Weapon Customization mod

[thick rose]

does underarm grenade toss throw faster than overarm?

[versed merlin]

not sure, but underarm throw doesnt bounce on hitting an enemy

[atomic zephyr]

dont think so?

[slender turtle]

I dont think so but it makes the fuse shorter

[tight orbit]

Does anyone ever use this talent? 2.5% seems too small a chance but then again the similar one with warp charges on Psyker seems to proc a lot more often than you'd think.

[versed merlin]

a 2.5% chance that lasts only 8s isnt worth my point

id rather have something more consistent and reliable

[atomic zephyr]

bring it down is much better

[tight orbit]

yeah thats my attitude as well but ya never know, could be one of those hidden gems i dont know about as i underestimate it for all i know

[atomic zephyr]

itll trigger in hordes but that's about it i think

[versed merlin]

idk if people actually use it or not, prob not, but i dont think you'll benefit that much from that dmg tbh

[wanton dawn]

competitive urge compete with more consistent talent

[versed merlin]

you should already be hitting your breakpoints without that at the very least

[wanton dawn]

Before the choice was between it and born leader, so it was easier to choose

[versed merlin]

so might be an overkill

[thick kestrel]

it does trigger more often than it seems, remember that you're dealing with 1300-1500 enemies over the course of tha mission with that 2.5% being rolled each time. it does kick in reasonably often in bigger fights.

[wooden lotus]

my issue is that it doesn't kick in when you need it to

i don't see it giving much value even if it does proc often enough

[thick kestrel]

that is indeed the downside, it's not a predictable bonus (probably why it's quite a large one compared to others)

[cerulean void]

I use it and it gets me out of sticky situations as a knife vet, sooo...

[hollow shard]

Any skill tree recommendations for a boltgun build?

[jaunty cloud]

how are the vet changes?(ive never even tried vet til now)\

[wooden lotus]

good

vet is a fun and good class despite what some people may think

[pulsar drift]

Which shovel is the best

Any shovel boys here

[sharp ember]

mk3 is hip right now

mk7 isnt lacking, but it takes longer to rip the spike out after a heavy hit for some reason

[hollow shard]

I love sapper but havent really tried all of em

[pulsar drift]

is this a good one

[hollow shard]

Ye thats MK3

[sharp ember]

infested is probably ok

thrust is good for your spike

take a swing isn’t that great

uncanny strike, decimator, or skullcrusher preferred

[pulsar drift]

So it is useble?

isnt the best ik

[sharp ember]

yesh

pretty useable

[trim breach]

Oh damn

i think i found my main weapon :>

the slug shotgun is fun to use

[pulsar drift]

any what perk should I go for

maniac or flak

[nimble sentinel]

my zealot bender over the past few days made me realize how differently I approached veteran compared to what I assume are most people that came in from vermintide

gotta reword how I vouch for shooting the hordes

[sharp ember]

probably flak, feel free to experiment though

[pulsar drift]

Oki

[sharp ember]

maniac + thrust would let you 1shot muties on body

[pulsar drift]

Damn this shovel two shots crusher?

[nimble sentinel]

yarp it's awesome

[sharp ember]

heck yeah

it can 1 shot if you commit hard enough

but thats kinda a meme

[nimble sentinel]

meme builds can be valid and are always fun

[sharp ember]

ogryn shovel can do the same but easier to attain

[nimble sentinel]

but then no lasgun

[trim breach]

WTF the slug can Pen more than 1 enemy?! >_>

[pulsar drift]

Kinda get tired of powersowrds

They’re good

But once used too much gets boring

[nimble sentinel]

I am convinced psword exists solely for the fps crowd who doesn't event want to entertain the thought of melee combat

special button, swipe, repeat, you are not allowed to dodge

[dreamy lantern]

yes

its for people scared of videogames

[ivory forum]

its bad when weapon incentivises spamming special button, it should be used in specific situations

[trim breach]

meanwhile I use psword cuz its the only good melee i got, the rest i got have trash rolls

I want the bonk shovel so badly

[crisp bronze]

Is 80 Penetration, 80 First Target, 70 Damage, and 65 Finesse good enough for a Rashad? Should I upgrade this?

[tight orbit]

yeah thats pretty good

i usually draw the line where the important stats need to be over 70 minimum

for a heavy hitter like the rashad, finess is not as important as penetration and first target etc

[crisp bronze]

The main thing is the Finesse being slightly low. If only the Finesse and Mobility were swapped. It has 75 Mobility. But Desperado should hopefully make up the difference.

[tall torrent]

Take a swing -> uncanny
Poxwalker -> carapace
Imo

Take a swing is very very strong on standard shovel but not for mk3 and mk7

[tight orbit]

it definitely wouldn't be a deal breaker for me but then it depends how active you are/how often you check the shop, other peoples standards might be different.

[pulsar drift]

Oh going for carapace? It can’t one shot crushers tho

[tall torrent]

Try specific builds, I think it can?

Maybe it needs limbsplitter & thrust

If not carapace then probably flak

[pulsar drift]

Yea I went to for flak

Okay

The left route is horrible

Just tried it out

Never had it over 5 stacks

Oh oh

[ivory forum]

SkILl IsSuE

[pulsar drift]

You got me

[karmic musk]

bruh why are some of my plasma shots invisible now

[crisp bronze]

Hey @formal lake is the above statline ^^^ good enough for a starting Rashad? Until I can get a better one?

[pulsar drift]

It’s a bug

Yup I tried on my own it looks like I’ll need that 30 weak spot to do it

[tall torrent]

They gotta fix that soon it’s tripping me off so bad

[tall torrent]

That 30% weakpoint is one of the best nodes anyway so grab if u can afford honestly

30% weakspot helps gun breakpoint

[keen sleet]

Best weapon to do "Make Every Shot Count" penance?

[tall torrent]

Plasma / mk2 revolver / kantrael shotgun

[keen sleet]

Thanks

[crisp bronze]

My usual public lobby setup doesn't take the 10% Melee node but it does take the 5% melee node as well as Desperado, and the 30% Weakpoint Damage. It also has the 15% Elite Damage and 20% Ogryn and Monstrosity nodes.

[tall torrent]

Oh wait u can do that penance in Karnak fight???

That’s crazy

[umbral flint]

is this alright?

[sand abyss]

Love running around pointing at a boss cause it does more damage it seams

[umbral flint]

wait i posted the wrong one

[sand abyss]

The gold tag perk u get at the end

That stacks

[tall torrent]

Bricked beyond repair

[umbral flint]

id k what that means

[keen sleet]

Bad perks and blessings

[umbral flint]

is there any salvaging this?

[tall torrent]

It’s bad

[tight orbit]

Does anyone know what this means? "Damage vs Resistant" under stoppig power in the autogun stats?

[crisp bronze]

I just upgraded it to purple rarity and it has 20% Unyielding, 15% Sprint Efficiency, and Headtaker 3.

[tall torrent]

Low first target, just earn blessing

[crisp bronze]

Would the 10% melee node get me that breakpoint?

[sand abyss]

Gonna ask here, what us 30m in game

[tall torrent]

Scab bruiser needs unarmored perk to reach easily

[sand abyss]

Bout install the range finder ui

[tall torrent]

Dreg bruiser u don’t need flak to reach

[umbral scaffold]

looking for veteran for team, in like an hour

[sand abyss]

Laz gun or headhunter for more range accuracy

[tall torrent]

Depends, which lasgun

[sand abyss]

Not shure

Just want this 30m penice done

[tall torrent]

What penance

[sand abyss]

Where u gotta get kills past 30m

[crisp bronze]

So Sprint Efficiency into Unarmored and Brutal Momentum for second blessing. If I'm super lucky I get BM 4 just from the upgrade and then I can make Headtaker lvl 4 but if not I need to grind Rashads until I get it. I have Headtaker 4 unlocked but not BM.

[tall torrent]

I have 20% unarmored and 20% block eff

BM4 and headtaker4

[crisp bronze]

Unyielding->Unarmored possibly?

[forest scaffold]

all this talk about axes

where power sword

we love power sword

I mean

literally all you need is bm and pc on power sword

it could literally be a 0 rating weapon

cause energized damage isn't affected by stats

[tall torrent]

Unarmored is needed for scab bruiser 1 shot

[forest scaffold]

Last I checked, it does not.

Finesse, yes.

But its marginal enough to not matter.

But damage stat doesn't matter

it could be 0 or 80%

and doesn't change it

Fuck knows if fatshark changed it silently at some point though

ah yeah, they did change it.

Probably in uh

patch 14?

It definitely didn't matter in patch 12 and before

damage was irrelevant to energized damage

[crisp bronze]

You want a Power Sword, how about mine? It makes me angry because it's one upgrade away from 550. (I know 550 isn't super important I just want one and this would be my first)

[forest scaffold]

I say patch 14 because that's when they buffed energized damage after the patch 13 nerf

so they probably changed some stuff under the hood too

[tall torrent]

Have u tried the buffed standard shovel

[forest scaffold]

I mean

[tall torrent]

It’s so funny with TAS + uncanny

[forest scaffold]

there's still an argument to be made for the ps3

cause heavy attacks DO do more damage

Not really relevant when light attacks have all the BPs though

Unless you wanna like

[grizzled pebble]

Any standard shovel enjoyer?

[forest scaffold]

try to proc brutal momentum on ragers

[grizzled pebble]

The folded shovels are weird.

[tall torrent]

I’ve been liking it paired with plasma gun

[forest scaffold]

Yeah

critical heavy attacks with maniac do funny stuff to ragers

[grizzled pebble]

Yeah same I use shovel with plasma.

[forest scaffold]

same with flak

[grizzled pebble]

I wish they kept the 6 dodges.

[forest scaffold]

But veteran can't really get super high critical hit chance on power swords

Sure, you can try to farm dodges

but I find its not worthwhile

[sonic cedar]

I have a spare point, I'm playing melee + shotgun Weapons Expert

Should I get Onslaught, Comfirmed Kill, or Skirmisher?

[forest scaffold]

confirmed kill

hands down

Yeah, but that's hardly reliable

its good dps gains

like, as a whole

but for single target BPs its still just RNG

[crisp bronze]

They should lean into the Power Sword 3 being the "mobile" one with it not slowing you down when activating. Maybe they could give it actually worthwhile dodges.
So the PS3 would have more mobility but PS6 has better lethality and blocking.

[forest scaffold]

Vet needs to be fixed still IMO

[tall torrent]

Do u go reciprocity + desperado?

[forest scaffold]

the skill floor is on jupiter

which is annoying

[hasty reef]

Speaking of plasma what blessings do you run on it? I like it as a boss/elite killer

[forest scaffold]

I don't really want it to be basement sub level 6 like on Ogryn

but it shouldn't be in outer space either

[pastel geode]

I need to get myself a hard twins carry at some point, they keep kicking my ass when I’m teamed with randoms

[grizzled pebble]

This mine. I heard get hot is quite good too.

[forest scaffold]

Vet just needs better damage reduction

Iron Will and VoC being demanded for survivability just hamstrings player choices

along with confirmed kill

[tall torrent]

Vet is either literally unkillable or goes down in 3 hits

[forest scaffold]

there's three necessary talents that are all over the tree

making pathing ass

[pastel geode]

Sometimes both

[forest scaffold]

I don't like gets hot

to be completely honest

[crisp bronze]

I don't know if the twins are something that can be hard carried. At least the hard mode can't. Everyone needs to be on their game for that.

[forest scaffold]

Volatile+Blaze Away is just way more consistent

and really ups your responsiveness

Turns it into a revolver

[sonic cedar]

Ok thank you

[crisp bronze]

Why am I not surprised. Some people are crazy.

[forest scaffold]

it is if you get lucky on the elite waves spawns

when i beat it, we only got one crusher wave

and one mauler rage

it was shotgunners otherwise

which nuke immediately removes

[pastel geode]

Yeah, I’m just struggling figuring out what/where I’m going wrong.

[forest scaffold]

Not for nuke

nuke immediately removes shotgunner wave

like, instantly

completely trivializes the wave

that's still slower than nuke on shotgunners

if you get mostly shotgunners, nuke just makes that fight normal mode

Oh, I was on horde duty when I did it on hard mode

So I caught the shotgunners as soon as they left the door

two might be different

two man*

speaking of power swords though. I long since gave up on grinding them out otherwise I'd have Flak/Maniac/BM or Slaughterer/PC4 by now.

but I can live with carapace

[crisp bronze]

I would say Veteran and Psyker need to bring more skills to the fight and pay the most attention Ogryn and Zealot have more survivability and can make a few more mistakes. Still isn't easy as them mind you. Simply a bit more forgiving.

[forest scaffold]

uh

holdover from patch 12

and I'm too lazy to change it

not like there's anything else meaningful there

other than a rager two shot for maniac

I have a plasma gun

that solves everything but bosses

and its not like unyielding is going to be meaningful on bosses

but you right

I mean

there's three other players

its not like I'm playing solo

[hasty reef]

Are the 3 others ded tho

[forest scaffold]

Usually no

[magic trout]

Sry to ask but which mod are you using for coloured icons?

[crisp bronze]

Weaving in Power Sword 6 PA>L combos on a boss and seeing the chunks fly out of their health bar is so satisfying.

[pastel geode]

I probably need to optimize better too, I keep slacking on upgrading my curios cause they can get me through auric but they’re far from perfect

[forest scaffold]

oh yeah, and this is my other PS

I can comfortably say that BM/Slaughterer does not matter

its like a

3 second change on TTK

for horde DPS

which is just completely irrelevant

and slaughterer lets you do dumb things to elites

Eh, that's where slaughterer comes in

[elder vessel]

God I wish there was modding on Xbox

[forest scaffold]

you oneshot them with a headshot anyway

[elder vessel]

My Xbox runs so much better than my pc

[forest scaffold]

and slaughterer cranks your cleave through the roof

so they're all permastaggered

Its just not something that matters

they're both equal

[crisp bronze]

It's a difference of oneshotting 2-3 vs 4 every swing.

[forest scaffold]

Yeah

and that's just not important

Look

if you're bothered by 1% bps

you need a new game

I'm here to slaughter heretics in a 40k universe

and the uber minute differences just don't bother me

between weapons

"do they both murder stupidly good? Great"

[sonic cedar]

Is agripiina shotgun (accuracy) or kantrael shotgun (higher damage) better for Weapons Expoert

[forest scaffold]

I still haven't proced a critical hit on elite groups

for the Bm oneshot

and I've been fucking around with my BM sword since patch 13

like I said earlier, its just RNG

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah, and less than 1% of 1% of players play true solo

[tall torrent]

They’re both good

[forest scaffold]

so the argument between bm and slaughterer is irrelevant

they both murder shit dumb good

[crisp bronze]

It isn't dps its kps. Kills per second. If you one shot everything then all that matters is how fast you can kill things. BM has a higher kps.

[forest scaffold]

go grab either one

[forest scaffold]

Right, but my point is that a slaughterer+pc powersword isn't bricked

anyone should be absolutely happy to have one

cause its still the best melee weapon in the game

hands down

I dunno

I'm just waiting for fatshark to obliterate the power sword again

Just remove power cycler already

and the whole weapon is fixed

Oh, and in return, buff its mobility values

boom fixed

[grizzled pebble]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/197

[tall torrent]

A true godroll Rashad is better

But getting a true godroll Rashad is peak suffering

[forest scaffold]

now its a solid melee weapon

[willow badger]

getting board of running columnus anyone got a good weapon that's relatively easy to pickup that goes well with weapon spec

[forest scaffold]

with an energized attack for crushers, bosses, and safety zones in hordes

[forest scaffold]

plasma gun

revolver

all three shotguns

all three brautos

what else

[willow badger]

also i will never betray ps6

[forest scaffold]

I know, weapon spec wants things that benefit from one big critical hit

but crit chains are nice for that too

solid ammunition save

[willow badger]

hows the new revolver

[forest scaffold]

Mediocre

[crisp bronze]

Definitely. I just prefer having the "best" things. If I get a meme weapon handed to me I'll use it though. My best shovel is the new Mk7 with Thrust 4 and Limbsplitter 4. It's hilarious nearly oneshotting Rodins shield with it.

[tall torrent]

I think it’s better for Zealot than for vet for general use tbh

[forest scaffold]

you mean

trading literally everything in the tree

to kill an enemy that shows up once every 4 matches

making it a pointless ability

[untold mulch]

Can't 1 mag Plague Ogryn

Literally completely useless 😔

[civic mirage]

Wait, really? I clearly don't know how to use plasma gun it feels like every time I try I'm doing something wrong

[forest scaffold]

Still

[tall torrent]

Plasma cares about one shot breakpoints

Perks matter more than blessings

[forest scaffold]

this is my preferred plasma gun build

gets hot dogshit

turn your plasma gun into a revolver

that said

I need higher stopping power

for the flamer oneshot

pain

thanks for the shit crafting system fatshark

[tall torrent]

Once u get a plasma that one taps both gunners, both flamers, you’ll understand

[forest scaffold]

this bullshit is so fun and rewarding

No

You NEED a critical hit for that

[civic mirage]

Gotcha. Yeah every time I use it take multiple hitsd to kill elites and I'm wondering why the hell I picked a shitty charging weapon over a rifle or shotgun Dx

[forest scaffold]

granted

weapon spec

[tall torrent]

No

[forest scaffold]

kill one random trash with melee

oneshot a gunner

[grizzled pebble]

I run keystone-less plasma.

[forest scaffold]

now its fixed azrea l

[tall torrent]

Plasma doesn’t need crit to one shot gunners or flamers

[forest scaffold]

charge rate no longer affects damage

it was patched in carnival pt2

[crisp bronze]

Literally me. I know the old Revolver is better or more optimal. But the satisfaction of one tapping a sniper 50m away with a "hip fire" shot is unmatched.

[tall torrent]

Plasma
80 dmg
79 SP
I have 68 charge rate
25% flak
25% unarmored

One taps both gunners to the head
Tag flamer and it’s 1 shot to head
No crit needed

I’ve tested

[tall torrent]

Without tag on flamers it’s like 1361 dmg for me

[forest scaffold]

loadout configurator isn't picking it up

its always 838 damage

Granted: mod

[grizzled pebble]

I can 1 shot scab gunner in the torso with talents.

[forest scaffold]

I'm just going to assume its patched

because its literally impossible to target the same exact weapon 80 times

for 80 different charge rates

[grizzled pebble]

No keystone build.

[tall torrent]

The armor sets look good but I’m not a fan of the hats

[forest scaffold]

unrandomizing base stats would solve this shit anyway

at no point should base stats have ever been random

but fucking fatshark and their fucking "performance metrics"

PLAYER RETENTION

[tall torrent]

Not sure

Isn’t that zealot exclusive anyway

[inland orchid]

nuh uh just certain headpieces do it

i got a navigator helmet on my witch that does the voice thingy

[tall torrent]

Need them to drop a voicechanger masked helmet for vet

[woeful cape]

It look like the guy has glued underwear to his face

[mystic belfry]

More like a cup

[forest scaffold]

The only thing I actually want to know though

is why dreg machinegunners are so fucking tanky

[mystic belfry]

Built different

[forest scaffold]

at no point should a plasma gun not oneshot them on a headshot

when it does to a scab machinegunner

who the fuck can eat a plasma gun bolt to the face

ragers it makes sense

same as mutants

"blablabla too angry to feel pain"

[mystic belfry]

Me

[rugged goblet]

Maybe papa nurgle really likes them

[mystic belfry]

Those are actually lizard people

They fall slow

[crisp bronze]

It's because if you body shot them it's flak like Scab Gunners but with 200 more hp and no weakpoint bonus but if you headshot them it counts as Unarmored. My Plasma runs Flak and Unarmored to specifically oneshot headshot Dreg Gunners.

[pulsar drift]

Sigh

Try to make bolter great again

But failed

: ( there is no way I can make it to a meta

[tall torrent]

Power swords don’t even one shot Dreg gunners on headshot so it’s just gameplay balance stuff

[mystic belfry]

Shoot a boss with it

[pulsar drift]

The question is the horrible draw speed

[mystic belfry]

Exe stance

[crisp bronze]

Exe stance.

[pulsar drift]

With the garbage stance

: (

[mystic belfry]

It’s only garbage if the user is

[pulsar drift]

Fair

[amber vapor]

what is the best Combat Axe variant for Vet?

[mystic belfry]

Rashad

[tall torrent]

Rashad (but it’s very hard to roll for)

[pulsar drift]

2t 1h

[mystic belfry]

Unarmored, maniac, headtaker, brutal momentum

[amber vapor]

what make it harder to roll for compare to other?

[pulsar drift]

dont rly know what I can change :_

[crisp bronze]

Exe stance is actually pretty good. The problem is VoC being cheaper to pick up if you already have nade regen (who the hell doesn't take nade regen?) And VoC being cheaper to invest in, needing only one upgrade versus the 2 minimum for Exe Stance.

[mystic belfry]

Drop the top right two talents

[tall torrent]

U need high rolls on damage, penetration, finesse and first target, unarmored perk, brutal momentum and headtaker

[pulsar drift]

nah

[analog dagger]

It is very annoying to roll, this is roughly my 50th axe

[pulsar drift]

I am just get to used to the old stance

the new stance has a number of problems with it that I dont like

[flint garden]

when my rashad has 60% first target

[pulsar drift]

with bolter there is no choice

[tall torrent]

And this is still missing breakpoints

Rolling for Rashad is just peak suffering

[pulsar drift]

mandatory stance but stance is...

sigh

[analog dagger]

Does the job, can't really complain.

[mystic belfry]

I settled for flak manic because it’s good enough

Bm and headtaker are the must haves

[amber vapor]

I have this for the Mk5 Antax, but will try to roll for Rashad later

[pulsar drift]

no dr, no reload, no touguness regen, 25 weakpoint instead 25 plain range dmg, even if I take the kill prolong option the stance will no under refersh in the background unlike the old stance

[tall torrent]

Take unarmored over carapace

U need unarmored for scab bruiser one shot

[pulsar drift]

25 weakspot dmg can be justify but the rest are just too much

[mystic belfry]

You can oneshot with just headtaker as well

[atomic zephyr]

just shoot them lol

[mystic belfry]

… don’t shoot trash

[atomic zephyr]

idk what you guys are talking about

that's just a gut reaction

[mystic belfry]

A bad one

[atomic zephyr]

no i mean

i dont shoot trash

its just that 90% of the time the answer to questions is "just shoot them"

oh well joke's dead

[mystic belfry]

We’re just talking about breakpoints.

For hordeclear

[atomic zephyr]

oh

[mystic belfry]

Don’t shoot it.

[atomic zephyr]

breakpoints for hordeclear?

just hit them

[sonic cedar]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9add3952-fc84-45ba-bcac-ae770b56585e/shotgun-swapper
Is there any big mistakes I've made here?

[amber vapor]

close, but not sure what I am missing

Here is what I have

[mystic belfry]

Do you have the 5% damage not above the keystone trees on the right hand side?

Hmm

Do you have the 10% damage node?

[paper brook]

Do I tell my buddy Rashad to use the Rashad Axe?

[mystic belfry]

Probably

Depends on what he needs his weapon to do

[tall torrent]

Yep, that’s why u take unarmored

[mystic belfry]

But Rashad is a top weapon

[amber vapor]

I switch to unarmor already

[mystic belfry]

Ye he’s missing a talent somewhere

[paper brook]

I mean I feel like it's only right he uses the Axe with his name on it

[amber vapor]

you are right, I need to take the 10% melee dmg node near the top of the tree

thank you

[tough hazel]

What are helbore builds looking like this days?

[tall torrent]

Like blessing & perk? Or talent build

[elder vessel]

God Series X runs so smoothly

What needs changed

[tall torrent]

Precognition to mercy killer/uncanny strike
Block efficiency to carapace/flak

[modest sapphire]

I just wanna talk about how much I hate this gun. Can anyone agree?

[elder vessel]

Thank you

[serene bough]

i did it boys and girls

[tall torrent]

Cuz of the slow charge speed? Yea

It’s very unwieldy

[modest sapphire]

slow and dogwater damage. Like how am I not hitting breakpoints without a weakspot hit. like if I cant one shot a trapper with a full charge, wtf is the point of this gun. It's not like its good on hordes. I mean is there another helbore that will change my life?

[mystic belfry]

Happy to help :)

[tall torrent]

Congrats

[tall torrent]

This game really wants u to hit headshots on like 95% of the weapons

[mystic belfry]

Yep

[tall torrent]

Helbore3 is used as the sniper

Helbore 1 and 2 are faster more versatile options

[modest sapphire]

i just cant see using it over a revolver or boltgun or plasma gun or literally anything else

[tall torrent]

Helbore 3 one shots reaper to the head

2 shots crushers to the head I think?

And one shots both gunners, both flamers to the head?

Not sure if u need maniac to one tap flamer without crit

But u build so many surgical stacks with it it kinda doesn’t matter

The other 2 helbores need to build for those breakpoints with perks

[elder vessel]

Big Number

[pliant spire]

Hello guys, any insight on my guns? Ways to improve them?

Only took me half million rockets and 10k steel

[pulsar drift]

Could you give me all ur odor dockets

: D

[torn gorge]

just play more games

[sonic cedar]

Does field improvisation only work for you? Or does it benefit the whole team?

[tall torrent]

Benefits whole team as long as 1 veteran in coherency takes that upgrade

[sonic cedar]

Oh cool

Ty

[pliant spire]

Buffa all boxes as long as one vet with upgrade is alive

Does ghost count as dodging? Will it give me stamina with Dodge ranged talent?

[tall torrent]

Ghost procs duck & dive

Doesn’t proc reciprocity tho

[south garnet]

I'm glad a banner finally exists that shows I'm better than the unskilled laborers around me

[nova bane]

Is Exhilarating Takedown useless with a plasma gun? I feel like it's impossible to reliably hit weak spots

[pliant spire]

If only someone knew how to deference them

[swift flax]

oh ok

thanks emps

[tender lynx]

i'd buy if veteran rogue trader look like this

i just hate truffel around the arm

[tall torrent]

The one we got looks good though

[tender lynx]

the truffel stuff

is it like even

suitable for battle

[tall torrent]

Not necessarily

But it’s not a big turnoff

[tender lynx]

true

if i wear it i need to renew my vet name ig

too much krieg

[tall torrent]

and it’s one of the very few cosmetics that don’t clip with the big Krieg helmet

[tender lynx]

drip

[wanton dawn]

Its underwhelming yeah. Plasma only does 25% more dmg on weakspot and given the low rof you are unlikely to kill on weakspot to begin with. At least not more compared to body shot

[tall torrent]

U do care abt weakpoint hits for plasma one shot breakpoints on gunners & flamers, but that’s about it

[wanton dawn]

The better thoughness talent for plasma is target down

[tall torrent]

Go confirmed kill

Plus target down

[nova bane]

Where's Target Down on the tree?

Oh. Keystone

[past stag]

whats the best autogun atm

[alpine pebble]

Wait wasn’t it bugged?

[tall torrent]

Hate the clipping issue with this one but the armor looks sick

It clips with most leg pieces

Fortunately it doesn’t clip with rogue trader set’s leg piece

[noble lichen]

What weapons do you guys use for hard mode Karnak twins?

[nova bane]

It got fixed

[tall torrent]

For veteran, I recommend helbore mk1 / mk2, plasma and Columnus mk5

[serene bough]

i opted for shredder frags + agri shotgun + focus target keystone

[tight orbit]

If you had to choose between these two, which would you go for?

[wanton dawn]

Rending unless target needs more than x hit to die

[tall torrent]

If you’re not using high firerate fully automatic weapons, rending strikes

[wanton dawn]

You can calculate x

It is prob around 8 to 10

[tight orbit]

Yeah I was thinking high rate of fire weapons like autoguns and lasguns, rending would be the better option right? since you'll presumably have a lower time to kill on the target, so brittleness will be pointless right? since brittleness just lets team mates apply more damage, as i understand it?

[tall torrent]

Brittleness needs to be applied on the enemies on hit, and usually comes in low value but high stacks, so the initial hits won’t have as much effectiveness, but it’ll benefit your whole team

Rending is a buff to yourself and works all the time on any enemy you hit

[lusty jetty]

Brittleness imo, team buff >

[tall torrent]

Onslaught u only want on high firerate weapons

[lusty jetty]

16 hits takes no time with autogun

[tall torrent]

Otherwise it’s not worth it

[lusty jetty]

If no autogun then you probably have a gun that can deal with carapace so don't worry about rending anyway

[pliant spire]

Which one can be made the best one?

[atomic zephyr]

I want to make a build with onslaught, rending strikes, executioner’s stance and a graia braced autogun
seems like it has the potential for max funnies

[hollow cloak]

vet is just so good now

can handle literally anything situation

no other class can

[pliant spire]

Finally decided to roll some plasma, was sitting on materials for a few weeks.

[tight orbit]

graia braced is awesome, very satisfying t use

[stiff dragon]

Hello there! I need some help guys. Just want to make a weapon combination to work and if anybody have some opinion/build pls share it to me. I want to build a veteran what good on any damnation high intensity mission, also good for auric maelstrom damnation. If separate builds are need for it its okay. Melee weapon i prefer the power sword, for ranged the braced autogun mark 8. ( Yeah i knoe plasma is brutal op but i played and won so much with the Plasma/Bolter i want some fresh air.) Thanks forward fellow Veterans!

[pulsar drift]

Okay nvm smoke nades are stupid

After trying for three runs

[teal flame]

are the twins flak armor?

[tight orbit]

so is brittleness only really good for specific high health pool unyielding type targets? Since for most things, by the time you've fully applied the brittleness debuff, the target will be dead.

[pulsar drift]

It is evident that smoke nades is kinda pointless

[hollow ibex]

fugging hell, trying to get into HM in the event is fucking impossible with randoms

[serene bough]

brittleness is good on ogryns maulers and ragers

and bosses

the others will usually die quickly depending on your weapon/loadout

[teal flame]

what should i put on my magnacore against twins

antiflak armor

?

[serene bough]

yeah

[teal flame]

thanks brother

[serene bough]

they're like maulers in regards to armor

[tall torrent]

That and carapace, basically

[serene bough]

they have their niche

[barren cave]

Is this any good

[tall torrent]

It’s not as useless as u think but it could use a buff for sure

[serene bough]

sometimes when you are being fired on by a bunch of gunners you can throw one to reset their barrage, but other than that it's difficult to compete with shredders and kraks

[tight orbit]

sounds like it might be a bit of a wasted skill point on a run-n-gun autogun veteran then, you'd get more utility out of the rending skill overall

[midnight mortar]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/enemies/

[forest blaze]

you use plasma v twins to stagger them with headshots and that's about it

[quasi socket]

lookin promising

[tall torrent]

Also kills crushers and melee elites

Vet is there as a safety net

[tall torrent]

At least u can earn power cycler 4

[hidden torrent]

Any vets in here beat the secret hard mode?

[delicate lotus]

God multiple shout vets in one squad is so nice

Ive i want damage oriented shotgun build how would that look like

[crisp bronze]

I have

[hidden torrent]

Would you be so kind to help a friend and I? I have gotten so close so many times, but having 2 randoms is rough

[pearl sapphire]

You’re on different platforms bud

[hidden torrent]

ok

[pearl sapphire]

Best of luck though! Hit em hard!

[hollow cloak]

ygea vet is broken

[crisp bronze]

Shhh no vet clearly needs more buffs yup definitely for sure.

[patent swift]

What should i change?

[fleet garden]

twins hardmode comepleted :D

[forest blaze]

Figured out what I dislike so much about zealot players. It's their W+M1 monke brain.

[elder vessel]

Press F

Run Forward

Swing Big Sword

Ez Pz

[forest blaze]

get downed by all the crushers because you're bad

lmao

[elder vessel]

Except you don't because Until Death exists lmao

[obtuse raft]

There's always exceptions but I'll take overly aggressive pubbies before overly passive ones 9/10.

[forest blaze]

Except you do because you're still bad 😂

overly passive pubs lose games

[elder vessel]

Being Bad doesn't change how Until Death works

[forest blaze]

"Occurs every 120s"

yeah it does

[elder vessel]

ok so now it's on Cooldown

But I still didn't die to the crusher

[forest blaze]

You're taking this awfully personally when I'm generalizing zealot monke brain lol

[elder vessel]

tbf

you've been saying "because you're bad"

Thats referring to me

Singularly

[forest blaze]

I can see how that was misunderstood

[atomic zephyr]

loaded into mission and saw that

[hasty reef]

Defo the teams fault if you wipe then

[paper brook]

Seems like the we got a couple of deserters

Anyone gonna tell Rannick?

[tight orbit]

Can anyone help explain to me how Skullcrusher works exactly? Does it only apply those 4 stacks when the target is staggered? What exactly is that 4 damage stacks? Does it take off 40% of the targets health once you stagger it? do you pretty much have to aim for staggering the target first, before this blessing comes into effect? etc it always kinda confused me a bit.

so does it take off 40% of the targets health then? assuming its staggered successfully?

oh

so its open to 40% extra damage for that 5 second duration

Ok yeah I can see how awesome that could be.

Thanks

and thats a great tip about using other abilities that stagger, i never would have considered that, the veteran shout for example

thats pretty amazing

oh does it stack with rending/brittleness?

[sick cedar]

DAMN THIS WAS A MISSION REWARD

[tight orbit]

so on weapons that already apply full damage to, lets say carapace, it wont give extra damage with rending or anything

in theory then it would be great on weapons that can stagger everything but also dont apply full damage to different armour types right?

[blazing veldt]

people only use evis for CDR

[tight orbit]

So if I was to follow all that logic before, the fact that this shovel does 90% damage to Flak already, means putting a rending blessing on it might be a bit of a waste right? assuming all i care about is flak enemies in this scenario anyway, i can see there it does almost 50% to carapace.

or have i gotten a bit lost already

yeha true, good point, i could just test it out

yeah decimeter is locked on that one im afraid

i was using it as a horde clearer in the past and just testing around with rending lately

[crisp bronze]

I'm heart broken. I just got a Rashad with 80 Penetration, Finesse, and First Target. With 79!.... Mobility... pain. The Damage is at 51 is this salvagable?

[tight orbit]

shovels give a oh so satisfying clunk when it hits things

base damage on rashad is already pretty decent, wouldn't be that big of a loss to use it for most things. Still though, bit of a shame.

[gilded dock]

what do yall think of this talent tree?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ada14c4-7369-4896-8444-b9e352fbd401/gay-2

[tight orbit]

I read somewhere, here maybe?, that rending gets applied via dot damage? like bleed stacks, is that accurate?

[crisp bronze]

The most important thing is if the other stats plus BM can offset the 51 damage and still hit breakpoints. It is a 370 so I'll probably get it to orange tier just for the chance at a new blessing at least.

[tight orbit]

ideally you'd need some stamina skills+curios to make deadshot work properly, otherwise you're gonna be low on stamina and taking hits. I've given up on deadshot personally, found it too annoying and limiting.

[tight orbit]

has there been big changes to brutal momentum the past while that I've missed? I remember it used to be only really viable on the antax mkV

[crisp bronze]

It gives First Target damage to the first 4 targets hit as long as it's a weakspot hit. So if you can hit the one shot breakpoint on a Scab Bruiser for example you can kill 4-6 every swing.

[tight orbit]

so basically its only workable on weapons with good horizontal swings?

[midnight mortar]

Azreal made this to illustrate.

[gilded dock]

best blessings for antax 5? im thinking headtaker and brutal momentum?

[crisp bronze]

I was baffled, straight up bewildered when I was testing the moveset of the Rashad and hit 2 headshots on a Mutant from behind their back.

[tight orbit]

but basically vertical strikedown swings are useless with brutal momentum now right?

[midnight mortar]

They don't maximize its value, no.

[gilded dock]

oh fuck really

[tight orbit]

wow

im learning a lot today, more than i have from months of playing the game

[gilded dock]

well damn that sucks

[tight orbit]

im forever forgetting to use weapons specials

apart from chain weapons and power swords

hold on, were those light attacks?

or a special and two lightS?

good lord thats fast

[gilded dock]

welp im gonna hold off on wasting more money and mats to ball out a rashad and just stick with this antax i made lol

[tight orbit]

ah

[gilded dock]

also, its super unclear to me when perks become unlocked?? what exactly do i have to do to be able to change my perks?

[tight orbit]

crazy stuff

[crisp bronze]

Hey @formal lake I'm sorry for always pinging you about these axes but I was wondering if this 370 Rashad I just got was bricked. It has 80 Penetration, Finesse, and First Target. The downfall is only 51 Damage. Is this only useful to upgrade for Blessing unlocks?

242 light 260 heavy

Blessing extract fodder then?

[charred torrent]

question, whats the mk 8 chainsword good at vs the other one?

[crisp bronze]

If only the Mobility and Damage were swapped. It has 79 Mobility! It was so close!

[tight orbit]

anyone know what this means? Damage versus resistant

[crisp bronze]

True. BM makes Cleave Damage, and Targets a lot less important. You still want some of course but BM borderline makes them dump stats.

[sharp ember]

I reckon the new mk13 chainsword has stronger revved heavy damage. But thats kinda it.

[sharp ember]

that looks like it’s where Unyielding armor type should be

[tight orbit]

ah, thanks, that makes sense.

[hallow moat]

I’ve been enjoying vet so much lately but as a heavy ogryn main I feel so naked lmao

[crisp bronze]

A heretic so revolting it repels bullets.

[sharp ember]

but why is it saying Resistant in this image, mod? description oversight?

[stiff dragon]

Hello there! I need some help guys. Just want to make a weapon combination to work and if anybody have some opinion/build pls share it to me. Maybe i can learns something new. I want to build a veteran what good on any damnation high intensity mission, also good for auric maelstrom damnation. If separate builds are need for it its okay. Melee weapon i prefer the power sword, for ranged the braced autogun mark 8. ( Yeah i knoe plasma is brutal op but i played and won so much with the Plasma/Bolter i want some fresh air.) Thanks forward fellow Veterans!

[umbral scaffold]

Thoughts on my sneaky boy?

[atomic zephyr]

hmm

[tight orbit]

Can anyone confirm for me whether rending gets applied on bleed dot damage etc? aka: I'm wondering if that Veteran skill that adds bleed stacks on every melee hit might be more viable in combination with rending skills/blessings, or is it only really a compliment for the usual dagger builds?

[umbral scaffold]

Who knows

Nice

Anyone got a idea on fixing the recon Las?

[rain ocean]

So guys, how good is the new revolver? Kinda wanna craft a revolver but don't know if i should go with the normal one or the new one

[umbral scaffold]

Wish i could use it for damn

[umbral scaffold]

I'd use old first

[sharp ember]

the agripinaa mk8 braced autogun? yeah that’s a fine weapon to take with a power sword. Then again psword goes with anything. You can make basically any build with this pair, as long as you can confidently melee crushers or take krak grenades

[tight orbit]

oooo possibilities

[regal smelt]

Best you can real do with it is combo Onslaught and crit talents with it

and you're still going to be better off with an mg 4 infantry las

[umbral scaffold]

Zamn

[rain ocean]

Wait, what on earth

That... is cool as hell

[umbral scaffold]

Show me that build chief

And that gun of course I gotta know that blessing

[sharp ember]

the build that takes as many damage buffs as possible

[gentle maple]

Gonna consecrate, rebless and refine but which one of these are currently the best? Never used plasma before so I'm clueless.

[umbral scaffold]

Sure sure but who cares when your doing d a m a g e o

[analog blaze]

Left is better currently. Better damage and stopping power.

[sharp ember]

left has better stat array for breakpoint tuning

[gentle maple]

Thanks. So those are the most important stats? What's the dump stat, thermal?

[tight orbit]

id go with the one with the flak damage perk

[stiff dragon]

What the holy fak? Its a bug or or cheat or what? ∆(0.o)∆

[regal smelt]

power hammer does the same thing+zealot survivability and damage against shit that isn't just a monstrosity

[sharp ember]

but right isn’t bad either, it has flak for relevant targets

[analog blaze]

Charge rate imo

[gentle maple]

Good to have a backup when Hadron bricks em

[analog blaze]

Thermal isn't critical either but it's nice to not have to vent

[umbral scaffold]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1160671449858719758/1185667469143195791/6724d446-1292-448c-a2dc-b5e670dc0280.mp4?ex=659071e1&is=657dfce1&hm=d27a1e08c33ddd65694713f27d1dabf713e32ab37f633ace2bcda4d390315372&

Trust me i know

[tight orbit]

the difference in stats is negligable tbh, you'll get more use out of that flak perk, so if you're gonna upgrade it later, that's atleast 1 perk you wont need to reroll

[analog blaze]

Back in my day you needed thermal because venting would always hurt hp. We'd reload instead of vent

[sharp ember]

I dump a mix of charge rate/thermal. I THINK you can go down to like 65% thermal and still have maximum charged/uncharged shots. Might be 70% tho

[stiff dragon]

In my opinion the middle keystone is needed for bracedau to have that level of conpeting or at least somehow that level like plasma. The left keystone favor weapons what can consistently shoot weakspots am i right?

[sharp ember]

but even if your thermal is low enough to lose a shot, no big deal to me, just vent

[tight orbit]

dont get too hung up on keystones, hybrid builds that dont use any keystones can work really well as well, using bits from every tree to get the right combination.

[umbral scaffold]

Hm I wish vet had a perk to heal by like 5 points based on his specialist kills

[sharp ember]

yeah, definitely do not use the left keystone with a braced auto and expect a good improvement

[umbral scaffold]

Just something to make hoards go easier

[gentle maple]

Could've gotten worse! Any suggestions on what perk and blessing to change to? To have a standing chance on bell mode karnak

[analog blaze]

They fear making vet too tanky again

[umbral scaffold]

Very

[sharp ember]

0 keystone setups are good too, i have many

[umbral scaffold]

Yea but it forces you to use health charms

[rain ocean]

I agree, it's been hard for me to not go mid keystone, it feels very strong

[tight orbit]

the right one is probably the only one i ever use, when i actually feel like using one, usually i go without a keystone tbh

[umbral scaffold]

Frag perks

[analog blaze]

Sort of all of it isn't great, sadly. The crit damage and one of the blessings (probably the glory hunter given it's a 2)

[tight orbit]

so much to choose from!

so little points!

[stiff dragon]

I am obsessed with the grenades and team help skills, so taking the 2 grenade regen and sometimes the additional grenade is always tempting. The medkit/ammo case improvising also a real game changer.

[umbral scaffold]

Fr

[sharp ember]

change both perks, I think the twins are one carapace and one flak? if you are purely using this for twin fighting

[analog blaze]

The right one is great with revolver and the ammo reload perk. I like to use the laspistol with it these days with no ammo reload.

[umbral scaffold]

But so little to spend

[tight orbit]

I dont see how useful focus target is anyway, targets are usually dead before those debuffs can build up. I can only really see it decent versus ogryns and bosses.

[umbral scaffold]

This is my basic build ignore the rending perk I replaced it with camo

Its a good time

[analog blaze]

It's nice for some breakpoints and quite good for boss fights. The ping also last longer, I think, if that's a benefit.

I grab it if I'm going middle tree anyways. It's a straight buff

[gentle maple]

Atm I'm just trying to be more helpful with getting all the elites and specials that spawn. But guess elite dmg + flak dmg is best to use for those too?

[umbral scaffold]

For real it doesn't feel like there's any point to take any other trees

[shadow dagger]

i feel like im consistently not oneshotting some specials with the single shot revolver unless i crit or have another damage buff compared to the last time i played a few months(?) ago

[umbral scaffold]

But I don't think they should harm the middle tree I think they should buff the other two

[shadow dagger]

i think its scab gunners?

am i just misremembering or did some balance patch affect this

[sharp ember]

for the elites, you definitely want Carapace for crushers. I think Elite dmg/flak dmg might be interchangeable in terms of breakpoints. Needs testing

or maniac, if you need it to 1 shot specials

[analog blaze]

The only bad keystone seems to be the left side. Right side would be better with just moving some talents to the lower half like the damage boost on swap.

[gentle maple]

that would help. I'll change the perks at least, and will experiment a bit in the grinder. thanks!

[sharp ember]

Yeah, plasma is a breakpoint-needy gun. Don’t wanna shoot more if you don’t have to

[umbral scaffold]

I don't know the Sharpshooter skill tree does have some good stuff in it and that's why I use it but the whole standing still things certainly a buzzkill but it's all right since I have high Mobility on my 1A and camouflage does a good job

[tight orbit]

I wish I could get more use out of the right keystone, any time I take it, I always find myself spending too much time on my gun or too much time in melee. It requires a conscious effort to switch back and forth often enough to get the best out of it. I just need to be more aware of it during gameplay, I usually just zone out though.

[stiff dragon]

I red somewhere that tthe damage increase is not functioning real good to teammates. It is true? With plus perk at 8 stack (8x 4% i think) 32%. Damage increase are there as long as the yellow tag is remaining?

[umbral scaffold]

Oh I'm sorry you were talking about the right Keystone

I was thinking about the left one

[charred torrent]

just get an alt weapon that swaps to quickly, and then when you have stacks, whip it out for a second or two, and then swap back

[sharp ember]

I like using it with the new heavy laspistol and Exhilarating Takedown. I quickdraw and headshot one or two guys, recover toughness, gain toughness resistance, and reset my melee buff.

[charred torrent]

revolver is greatm so is plasma

[umbral scaffold]

Veteran is math

That's his problem I think

[stiff dragon]

What 1.5x8?

[charred torrent]

i dont do math. i just see "Increases X" nd dont think further

breakpoints? IDK what you mean

[tight orbit]

how long does it take before you get that though? how often are targets alive long enough for you to get the most out of that?

[umbral scaffold]

Mefrfr

Oh my God what if there was a perk for veteran that would make him stand still for a few seconds to heal his first wound to full

[stiff dragon]

Oh you mean the expansion talent yes? When the target killed you gain additional damage. Im not in front of my rig im at work.

[terse idol]

A breakpoint is like, kinda the cut off point of where your weapon one shots or doesn't one shot something

[tight orbit]

O_o

[analog blaze]

It's a primarily melee talent where you occasionally switch to gun to kill something far away

[charred torrent]

I was joking I know what a breakpoint is, i just dont bother with doing math, i just go and shoot something

[terse idol]

For example a pgun has a breakpoint where you need to meet to actually be able to one shot a dredge gunner

That breakpoint is within like 100 damage

[umbral scaffold]

Off I go folks

Bak 2 work

[terse idol]

Or 100 damage or less off one shoting a dredge gunner

[charred torrent]

yeah, i know about them, i just dont care to bother and actually math them out

[terse idol]

It's not that complicated... at least for pgun

Just gotta take your gun into the psykarnarium

[charred torrent]

Oh totally, but rather than math test, i just hop in a game to test a build, because some things are more important than breakpoints

[terse idol]

Well

Sometimes you don't know

[analog blaze]

It's good with laspistol too. The slower one. Which, I mean, is kind of revolver in nature

[terse idol]

Breakpoints are the difference between a bad gun and one shoting something

[charred torrent]

yep. thats why i hop into a match. my one shot breakpoint as full stacks of a buff doesnt matter if i cant get to full stacks in normal games

[terse idol]

For a pgun you don't want to not meet the breakpoint for dredge gunners

I mean ideally you want it without the buff is what I'm saying

[charred torrent]

that i agree with. But rather than math, i'd rather just test it out in a game or as mentioned, the psykanium

I do math for work, not hobby

[terse idol]

Yess but this is why I aint using the spreadsheets

Me as I continually spread misinformation sometimes

[sharp ember]

My mind was blown when I got a rashad setup that 1 shot bruisers

mine needs just 1 stack of headtaker to get started while still being a decent build

but that’s ok

[analog dagger]

😢

[nimble sentinel]

aight so I've been playing a lot of zealot and I smashed an auric without even going down once or needing a med station, I think it might be possible that my lasgun obsession has been holding me a tad bit back or my true calling is religion, what do y'all think of the vet/zealot divide and/or how I might have been fucking up with my builds?

[tight orbit]

Whats the min requirement stats wise for the Rashad with BM? Actually come to think of it, is there a website or sometihng where you can just glance at a particular weapon and it tells you what you need stats wise to 1/2 shot most enemies? or is that too much to hope for

[hallow moat]

Fellas is this looking like a good roll so far???

[broken spade]

Does anyone know if there's a spreadsheet or something with the hitmass of all the enemies?

i'd rather not have to swing at each enemy to see how much cleave i need for things

[warm idol]

math is for nerds and little gits

[tight orbit]

argh that website, yeah ive seen that before could never make head or tails of it.

like, what are these numbers supposed to mean?

[broken spade]

you're better off testing breakpoints with creature spawner and loadout config mods

your breakpoints are gonna change a lot with talents

i think it's normal, weakspot, critical, weakspot critical

[tight orbit]

yeah thats a good idea

[broken spade]

could be wrong about the order of the middle two columns

[sharp ember]

collect No Respite to your stickerbook, no saving this one because of those perks

[broken spade]

rows i think were the number of targets

[tight orbit]

horizontally? how about vertically? 1st swing? 2nd swing? 3rd swimg?

[sharp ember]

and No Respite itself is non-ideal

[broken spade]

like 2nd target takes the 2nd row

[sharp ember]

3rd best blessing though

[low wagon]

I usually think of ammo as dump stat for hellbores and others like that. Don't know if it's a correct approach though.

[charred torrent]

helbores are really good on ammo with shocktrooper and crit perks

[midnight mortar]

That's fine. It's not hard to crit synergize shocktrooper on them.

[charred torrent]

hm. I dont know if Hadron likes me or not

I dont think she does

[nimble sentinel]

yo check this shit out

[charred torrent]

my brother in the emperor, you have a nerf sword

a nerf sword with chunks of glass in it

[nimble sentinel]

wish.com macuahuitl

[midnight mortar]

Bricked.

[low wagon]

btw, I got quite lucky... this is the 2nd Power Sword I upgraded in my life:

I'm wondering where to go with further, Sunder? Brutal Momentum? Leave as it is and focus on changing perks?

and this is 3rd Power Sword I started upgrading

[midnight mortar]

Replace Rampage with BM.

[low wagon]

so I've got that going to blessing collection

Is it true that with Sunder I can go through shields?

[midnight mortar]

Damage application continues through the shield.

As in, other targets your swing hits after colliding with a Bulwark shield will still have some damage applied.

It doesn't let you hit the Bulwark's health by just striking the shield.

[low wagon]

I see, thanks!

[peak token]

me and my friend playing veteran, do two onslaught britleness stack? how does it work

[vernal harbor]

i know the bm/cleave talks are well known

but ive finally gotten my bm4 and the difference is literally in my framerate

heavy energized cleave into the horde and my frames dip where before it didn't because i wasnt hitting nearly as many

thats insane lmao

[eternal sable]

drip check

[nimble sentinel]

Ah yes, those are definitely veteran cosmetics and weapons

[celest vine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/837667864277155890/1176494833540530247/caption-7.gif?ex=656f1332&is=655c9e32&hm=60152791ea6edccdf78c033195cd3debd733c0f53f506ff9b7e5e7e6c67d0b29&

[eternal sable]

i think zealot has the best pirate potential

because of the penance cosmetic

[nimble sentinel]

literal tricorn and pegleg

[eternal sable]

the red tricorn :3

[torn gorge]

breakpoint calculator not updated for new weapons?

[charred torrent]

didnt see the mk X laspistol, so i dont think so

[torn gorge]

wanted to check shovel breakpoints

i think thrust/limbsplitter is overkill

all things considered

[brittle turtle]

try it without thrust on ogryns and see

if it doesnt kill them, you need thrust

[torn gorge]

the question is whether to keep limbsplitter tbh

not thrust

[brittle turtle]

uncanny strike is really good

skullcrusher is also useful

decimator would help against hordes

[torn gorge]

on old shovels for sure

[brittle turtle]

all shovels are easy to aim for the head

i would go uncanny strike

its literally a "cant go wrong" blessing

always useful, never useless, easy to proc,

[hearty frigate]

I bought the boltgun skin

Very cool

[brittle turtle]

same

[hearty frigate]

I only use boltgun

I don’t care if it costs me games it’s fun to split people in half

[brittle turtle]

first weapon skin i bought, and its a skin that multiple classes can use

[tight dragon]

Worth buying? not great bars but i don't know what blessings go on chainaxe, figured i might get one if i want to do twins again

[young pond]

but no pegleg sound effects

[torn gorge]

use higher mobility melee weapons for twins

[young pond]

ITS TOO DESATURATED TO MATCH MOST RED CHESTS

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153279327513886770/1185542405282340865/image.png?ex=658ffd67&is=657d8867&hm=3a816c8de13f3e1c5b68392c2e47f2eb6198e152d71b9f02ed75891b63cd0598&

this is like the only one it kinda matches

[eternal sable]

noo

[atomic zephyr]

bloodletter is pretty solid, id buy and feed it to hadron

[eternal sable]

your pirate has money

mine is dead broke

more authenti

[young pond]

scraggly ahh

i figured this chestpiece also looked pretty raggedy

[eternal sable]

its def nice 😛

[quasi socket]

ok time to grind out matches til mesc is done...

[quasi glade]

worth getting? 🤔

[brittle turtle]

no

[analog blaze]

Is this the new or old one? I don't numbers well

[eternal sable]

nah

[quasi glade]

👍

[brittle turtle]

bad blessings, bad perks

[tight dragon]

old one

[eternal sable]

optimal is having dumdum 4 already on there

stability / mobility dump stat

but not too low

[analog blaze]

It's pretty good imo. It's not perfect but it's absolutely usable.

You'd want to swap blood letter and one of the perks.

[potent valley]

I feel dumb, I really do.
on the bright side, I'm using Krak grenades from here on out.

[idle carbon]

I suppose that comes from someone who's never read about 40k lore before lol

[slate sleet]

i too do not read what the skills do

[potent valley]

Yeah, it just says it "STICKS" to them, not that it damn near INSTAKILLS THEM

[brittle turtle]

devastating damage

[midnight mortar]

Common never trying things in the psykhanium issue.

[potent valley]

i guess, but i assumed that the sticking part was just the side bit.
like, "This 'nade does Devastating damage!.. Oh and it also sticks to enemies."

[brittle turtle]

No, because then it would be useless, like the smoke grenade

[slate sleet]

you kinda notice it the first time you use it

[terse idol]

Look look, all ya had to do was teest come on homie

[hasty reef]

Krak grenade supremacy I got my skilltree setup with the grenade regen, nades from boxes, twin nade chance and 3rd one because I use them so much lmao

[potent valley]

Well, I just did. It's how i figured it out.

[terse idol]

Also, uh shredder grenade is also nic3

😌

[slate sleet]

love me some twin nade casino

[analog blaze]

Smoke grenade is so close to being good. If it just lasted longer and had a less egregious visual effect. It works pretty well when it's working.

[quasi ledge]

Karnak Hardmode in under 5

https://streamable.com/ett59v

[brittle turtle]

smoke grenade is legit trolling your teammates, cant see through them to shoot lol*

[analog blaze]

That's what ping is for. You can also see through it pretty well while in it

[midnight mortar]

Yep. Gunlugger Ogryns mandatory.

[brittle turtle]

the more gunluggers, the faster it goes

[quasi ledge]

4:37 is the fastest time I've seen unless someone has done a faster one

[analog blaze]

But it's also good for making spots of cover. It doesn't need to block everything

[brittle turtle]

thats what psyker shield is for

your nades should be for killing stuff

especially when you have two very good nades other than smoke

the only way smoke nades were useful were if theye extinguished fire or granted stealth to anyone inside

[quasi ledge]

I took smokes, but only because it saved me an extra point I allocated for higher damage further down.

[brittle turtle]

instead, they only block gunners, annoy specials and are useless against melee

[civic knot]

Is the old chainaxe any good compared to the new one?

[terse idol]

Ahh yeah

I mean folks gotta also learn

I had a vet who just kept throwing it 5 feet in our face

[serene sage]

that gunlugger ogryn probably did 70% of the boss damage lol