veteran-class

[sharp ember]

if you have tons of plasteel, but the stopping power could be higher

[trim breach]

only 500+ plasteel atm :p

[sharp ember]

important for basically any enemy that isn’t unarmored type

[versed merlin]

imo you should learn that blessing and keep looking for a better one

stopping power is usually the 2nd most important stat for most guns

[trim breach]

but I need a better gun cuz I feel im not outputting enough for auric runs

[versed merlin]

then dont do aurics lol

[sharp ember]

just run normal t5

i feel shotty vet is a rare combination to find in auric

[dusk idol]

is it?

I run it fairly often

[versed merlin]

i run agrip with weap spec and i can handle myself

[sharp ember]

but they do always have a specific build ready when they appear

[junior needle]

Post your gun and we can appraise it. If it's like that chainsword you're using very suboptimal equipment.

Oh, is it that shotgun?

Yeah taking blues into aurics is not exactly a great idea

[sharp ember]

can’t just be any ol’ orange neither

gotta be good blessings and perks too

and NOT a Kantrael MG XII with stamina, carapace, falter, and efficiency

[gusty bison]

Agri shotty vet has play in auric

[trim breach]

thx

[compact bear]

oot

[placid portal]

dunno what's so special about the tactical axe

other than being a tomahawk

[junior needle]

Hmmmmmmmmm, tac axes are generally considered to be quite subpar as melee weapons. You for sure don't want crit chance/unyielding/limbsplitter on that compared to alternatives.

Deci is ok but not preferred if headtaker is an alternative. They also want brutal momentum as far as I'm aware.

[dire jacinth]

GOD EMPEROR IM FREE

[rancid tinsel]

whats better? have 3 toughness curios or 2 toughness 1 health curio?

[placid portal]

tbf decimator can stack higher than headtaker no?
(6%x5 vs 5%x10)

ofc I guess the part where you miss does suck

[placid portal]

3 stamina curios

[rancid tinsel]

;_;

[placid portal]

Stamina so good esp when you use knife

[junior needle]

Yes, that's the big reason why headtaker is considered to be vastly preferable. A single miss and all your stacks drop. You can't even multistack it anymore either, you have to do it one at a time now.

[placid portal]

zamn

[junior needle]

Headtaker has a duration and stays on even if you miss

[placid portal]

Decimator has...... 2 seconds after you attack cancel via block

anyways new combat knife is fun but I kinda miss stabbing

It feels weird that I cleave a group of hoardes with a knife

[junior needle]

Do you just light spam for the new knife for clear?

[proven kayak]

For a fresh lvl 30 this is pretty dang good find

[zinc hare]

yeah seems rather good

[proven kayak]

Before hitting to lvl 30 any plasteel gains are so small so I will take ready gold weapon

[nocturne mulch]

Nothing since bromentum nerf

[placid portal]

I like Heavy 1 heavy 2 light 3 Heavy 2 loop

[nocturne mulch]

It's now basically just for zealot crit

Tac axe doesnt offer anything to vet you dont get elsewhere

[placid portal]

dunno if new knife has cleave on lights

[nocturne mulch]

With old bromentum I preferred tac ace over combat axe

[grizzled pebble]

What build people use to beat hard mode?

[median merlin]

i'm getting nothing but 70-04 carnival

lolwtf

[placid portal]

I get joyed when I don't get any carnival mission

[umbral scaffold]

how tf didu do that

[placid portal]

One of the few miracles of the imperium

And grit

lots o it

[sharp ember]

the most OP melee you got, plasma gun, shred/krak nade, damage aura, shout ult, field improv

[placid portal]

ammo scav do be bad in this mission specifically

[sharp ember]

focused on removing melee elite packs asap and stabbing rodin karnak when it was clear

[grizzled pebble]

I want to try doing on vet with pugs.

[placid portal]

It was Rodin I thought it was Roderick

[grizzled pebble]

Extreme hard mode.

[umbral scaffold]

if i have unlocked tp do i have to ring bells again to get this finall cosmetic or i can tp and im gonna get that anyway

[placid portal]

You mean Cataclysm +5

[sharp ember]

sometimes i think his name is kardin karnak

[placid portal]

I think we should call him the runt

[grizzled pebble]

I did it with pugs on psyker. So now its vet time. The 2 'non meta' hard mode classes.

[sharp ember]

i took the bell shortcut off a friend and got the insignia

[placid portal]

🍹

cheers

[trim breach]

screw it

[umbral scaffold]

Oh thats nice cuz i did that too and after mission i didnt get anything ffs

[trim breach]

I got 3 purples in a row doing damnation aurics

imma go play a different class for now

[placid portal]

tbf don't rely on items mission rewards give you

[small echo]

Worth to get for the level IV blessing?

[placid portal]

only 8k ordo fodder

[placid portal]

Meh, frankly

but sure why not salvage limbsplitter

[grizzled pebble]

Shovel on hard mode?

[placid portal]

maybe FS will buff Limbsplitter

[sharp ember]

the difference between t3 and t4 is 0.5s, not a big priority

[placid portal]

It aint that bad

[small echo]

That's the first time I've seen limbsplitter

[placid portal]

Shovel keeps you alive for a good time don't it?

[sharp ember]

if you mean to put it on a shovelpick variant

[small echo]

Yeah I plan to put it on the shovel variant

[grizzled pebble]

Rip 6 dodges.

[sharp ember]

problem is that limbsplitter resets on any hit, instead of being a rolling cooldown

[wet pendant]

i wish there was a way to have more weekly quest on the same character

[placid portal]

This is the most atrocious thing i've heard of

[sharp ember]

yeah so you do 1 hit

and that’s that for the remainder of your melee engagement

[small echo]

First 380 I have ever seen

[placid portal]

or be useless for 3.5 s

[sharp ember]

i wonder if Efficiency still has a rolling cooldown

despite being explicity worded to not be one

[small echo]

What should I build the atrox mk IV? Blessings and perks?

[placid portal]

the lasgun blessing that reduces ammo cost by 67%

?

[sharp ember]

yea

[placid portal]

It explicitly says you have to not shoot it for a set duration

[pulsar drift]

What do you guys think covering fire

I am thinking between cover fire and and redirect fire

[sharp ember]

it does, but the last time i used it, it kept going even if you were shooting

[placid portal]

Ah yes FS spaghetti code

[sharp ember]

tac axes are really mediocre right now, but brutal momentum and anything that increases +power

[pulsar drift]

covering fire or redirect fire

[sharp ember]

redirect

[placid portal]

is grenade tinker that good? I mean I only use it for stagger and rager crowds

🤔

[pulsar drift]

Should I take 8 stakes over 10 allied and self toughness

[small echo]

Yeah cause I got a perfect 380 one

[pulsar drift]

It is very good in aurics

Clear horde stagger bosses stagger rages deal dmg

[vernal harbor]

i tried having all grenade talents and man it really becomes a full time thing lobbing them things every 10 secs

[pulsar drift]

Grenadier build is fun

[placid portal]

I just like Grenade Stockpile and Grenade Scav on elite kills

[pulsar drift]

Especially with frag

[placid portal]

Shredda frag m'beloved

Fast Grenade tossing and bestof all
PIN SPEEEEEN

[pulsar drift]

Krak is only useful when they’re way too many scabs

For grenedier

[placid portal]

More like throw krak, target dies, then explodes

[pulsar drift]

Smoke? What is smoke

[placid portal]

[pulsar drift]

xD

[placid portal]

Do be the chuck norris moment

he threw a grenade, killed 5 men, and then it exploded

[pulsar drift]

Smoke made useful challenge

[placid portal]

There is one

carnival atreum

and first cypher ident

absolute Gunner/Shotgunner hell

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-cruise-shades-cool-smug-cool-shades-gif-18677159

aint that the truth

[pulsar drift]

But still kinda useless

XD

[vernal harbor]

im at the point where i may never use krak again

[placid portal]

yes

[placid portal]

Only take Krak if you wanna go fire team

Saves 1 point

[vernal harbor]

thank god vets dont have the option for the knife

[placid portal]

?

[vernal harbor]

how many stealth vets would grab that

[placid portal]

Me

[vernal harbor]

see knives flying and missing everything

[placid portal]

Bc I do funny tf2 spy gaming

oh

That knife

[vernal harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/twomad-knife-throw-gif-18410865

pov ogryn backside

[pulsar drift]

Also

[vernal harbor]

"I GOT YA COVERED SAH"

[nimble sentinel]

I fucking love the knives so much

[pulsar drift]

I can’t see shit while inside smoke

[placid portal]

Just like Irl

[ivory rock]

Man if the dmg n stability were swapped still gonna get it doe

[pulsar drift]

Protecting the enemy

Punish my teammates

[placid portal]

at least you can witness trappers and flamers kicking you to death

[pulsar drift]

The nade should be given to zealot

[placid portal]

and vet gets throwing knives

1:1 trade deal

[nimble sentinel]

anyone else feeling like the servers hampster wheel rodent is having an episode of cardiac arrest?

[placid portal]

Same

I do experience it a bit every while

[gusty bison]

Ngl the main benefit of throwing knives is wasted on vet lmao

[placid portal]

Still salty how Krak will break your stealth

Like wtf

Shredders can keep stealth after throwing them except Krak

[pulsar drift]

Wait what

That’s stupid

[placid portal]

Heck I bet Smokes can maintain stealth

[placid portal]

Dunno if it's when you hit something or immediately after throwing but it's exclusively on krak

Now I cant do the funny Fallout Mine Planting

[pulsar drift]

I mean if they made while inside smoke they can’t shoot you

That would be way more useful

[placid portal]

How to make Psyker Barrier useless

[pulsar drift]

My experience as a medic in battlefield is like in marriage with my smoke nades

[placid portal]

and your self dropped medipacks

[pulsar drift]

I mean they can still throw bombs, just not the laser boys

[placid portal]

hm

alright

[pulsar drift]

Well

[nimble sentinel]

my experience was having 65 revives and spamming in chat how I was the real god of death and nobody on my team had my permission to die

[ivory forum]

isnt this how smokes work right now?

[nimble sentinel]

I adored BF1

[pulsar drift]

Nah I think it stops enemies inside the smoke shoot you but does let the outside ones keep shooting I think

[placid portal]

more like block LoS, enemies will shoot your last known location

[pulsar drift]

Or is it

[placid portal]

Snipers ignore that bc IR scopes

[ivory forum]

oh, oke

[placid portal]

it also forces ranged units in smoke to go into mele

[pulsar drift]

Haha yea I kinda missed my battlefield 1 days

Been playing battlebit a bit but no longer playing it

[placid portal]

this also includes:

• Trapper
• Bomber
• Flamers

Battlefield 1 do be a mood of atmosphere

[umbral scaffold]

How to get the 90% accuracy penance as vet (proven method)

[pulsar drift]

Easy

You shoot one time

And melee all the way through

[placid portal]

melee the rest

[umbral scaffold]

No cause you gotta expend all your ammo as well by the end of the mission

[pulsar drift]

Oh

Then just use revolver

The only one

[solid gull]

Ye olde yeehaw

[pulsar drift]

Spam it on bosses

[placid portal]

ez equip Zarona, Magdump on Plogryn or any boss

[sharp ember]

huh didnt know it made bombers run in, those karkers usually love to blindly throw

[placid portal]

wait

I might be wrong

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[umbral scaffold]

I have the 90% penance I got it on accident during a no ammo pickup maelstrom mission

[sharp ember]

which brings us to: LET SMOKES SNUFF FLAMES

[pulsar drift]

Or make it gas nades

[placid portal]

It should light up enemies in the smoke instead

[pulsar drift]

Tho totally lore inaccurate

[sharp ember]

i will accept incense smokes that buff us too

[umbral scaffold]

The improved nades perk should make smokes do dps with a status effect like poison

[pulsar drift]

Maybe liking throw a can of…detergent

[dusk idol]

poisioning a nurglite

i wonder if it'd work

[keen wharf]

actually cracked me up.

[umbral scaffold]

Bleach would poison a nurgler for sure

[placid portal]

YOU FOOL YOU ARE HEALING THEM

[pulsar drift]

Or maybe just debuff them like a slow buff or something

That makes much sense

[umbral scaffold]

Nurgle doesn’t represent poisons like toxins they might employ them but poisons aren’t infectious

[dusk idol]

doesn't nurgle also represent immortality and decay?

[umbral scaffold]

Bleach and isopropyl is poisonous but it’s definitely not infectious

[pulsar drift]

Tho vets are kinda strong now despite having one of the worst keystones and one of the meaningless nades

[dusk idol]

well not like poxwalkers are immortal

[placid portal]

Vet supremacy

[muted knot]

Well not immortality

[nimble sentinel]

he covers the whole life cycle so I don't think immortality per se, probably just warp time funkiness

[ivory forum]

alcohol grenades - cheap, effective on nurglites

[nimble sentinel]

immortality sounds more like the realm of big E

[umbral scaffold]

Chlorine gas

[placid portal]

You also forgot one bad aura

Mfs think that 5% movement is gonnna help

[dusk idol]

makes sense

[umbral scaffold]

Bring more war crimes to Darktide pls

[sharp ember]

ogryn soap bar skin for throwing rocks

[pulsar drift]

Fun fat

Fun fact

[umbral scaffold]

2 bad auras fr

[dusk idol]

fun fat was my nickname in highschool

[muted knot]

Anyone got a build centered around the colomnus AG ?

[pulsar drift]

Vet has one nodes adding 5 movement speed as well

Which makes the whole aura totally pointless

[ivory forum]

movement speed is key in clutches from what i saw tho

[nimble sentinel]

I still want someone to make a mod replacing the zealot's relic for a bar of soap, terrifying nurgle's most devout followers into washing their ass

"MY PITS BE CLEAN, HERETICS!"

[umbral scaffold]

You can use it with anything it’s the most well rounded weapons but it’s fun with ex stance

[elder vessel]

More than half of veterans ability choices are awful

[haughty pewter]

please someone help me i beat the orthos bosses on damnation secret hard mode and i didn't get the insignia reward T_T

[muted knot]

I meant more with keystones cause I've been running just a gun centric build so far

[placid portal]

Or pulling out a Windex Cleaner Bottle and spraying them in it

[pulsar drift]

Is kinda funny that

[sharp ember]

how could that happen, bug?

[muted knot]

Like no keystones just exec stance and good atuff

[elder vessel]

2 auras, an ability, and a nade is too many bad options that aren't worth taking

[dire jacinth]

rip

[pulsar drift]

All the big things on vet are kinda awful and can’t making choice

[sharp ember]

you just have to win to get the insignia, right?

[pulsar drift]

But when combined it is kinda op

[nimble sentinel]

yarp

[sharp ember]

or do you need to be alive

[pulsar drift]

VOC supremacy

[placid portal]

Voice is Super goated

Prenerf Voice was one of the most oppressive abilities

[umbral scaffold]

VOC has the most potential to win but dang isn’t ex stance just satisfying

[pulsar drift]

Yea is just too good which makes the other two look so bad

[placid portal]

I still use Exe stance bc I use it to quick swap

[pulsar drift]

One is a nerfed private version stance, one is the weaker zealot version of stealth

[sharp ember]

we have the superior cooldown for stealth i think?

[pulsar drift]

No wonder ppl are stick to voc these days

Yup 60s

[nimble sentinel]

we get a longer cooldown but it regenerates our toughness and can make us a low priority

also lasts longer by default

[placid portal]

Also a short burst of 45% dmg

[umbral scaffold]

Voc and tactical awareness = insta win maelstrom

[pulsar drift]

But tbh

[ivory forum]

zealots can have their stealth ready almost instantly with a crit build tho

[pulsar drift]

It does not do anything besides saving downed teammates

Whom downed cuz you went to stealth to cancel aggrow

[placid portal]

I need to sprint to one side of the map to backstab a crusher

[umbral scaffold]

Use it when you’re swarmed and need extra toughness

[pulsar drift]

Then why not VOC

30s cool down team cc extra toughness

[umbral scaffold]

I’ve used voc to regen toughness so I can simply vent my plasma gun

The team and the kickback are secondary benefits

[ivory forum]

i think fatshark just ran out of ideas for veteran skills and said "u-uuuh.. just change zealot skills a bit"

[pulsar drift]

Are taking the one extra charges?

[placid portal]

Because I'm a selfish mf and have my teammates do my lifting while I pick off a crusher for 30 years with a knife

[umbral scaffold]

Found the perfect place for you bud #zealot-class

[placid portal]

[ivory forum]

exposed as zealot main

[pulsar drift]

Exposed as zealot main confirmed

[placid portal]

Lmao

Nah I just like cosplaying as ze spy in tf2

https://tenor.com/view/spy-tf2-conga-gif-26402123

[ivory rock]

Promising, even with brunt meddlin w it

[pulsar drift]

See, I can stealth, I have high crit chance, I run knife and revolver,

I can even bleed the enemies

Which class am I?

[placid portal]

yes

the ogryn inside a smoke grenade

[pulsar drift]

I also have a nade that can cc the enemies

See what a perfect zealot

[pulsar drift]

I mean just check out the pic right above our tree

Where are the big guns

[placid portal]

none

[pulsar drift]

Where are the long las

[placid portal]

they do not exist

[muted knot]

But what do you give veteran for active abilities?

[placid portal]

false advertisement for vet

[muted knot]

I guess I could have seen some kind of te buff ?

[pulsar drift]

So you see

[muted knot]

The real question

[pulsar drift]

We have VOC, we have stance

[placid portal]

lost in the warp

[umbral scaffold]

I don’t think I would ever play anything else if vet got a stubber the team would just have to understand why there’s no ammo left to grab

[placid portal]

[ivory forum]

theyll prolly add LMGs for vets in some future update

[pulsar drift]

Then we can have a better team focused talent

I don’t know maybe like team burst sped

Or team burst dmg

[muted knot]

Give me some beltfed monstrosity that takes up your active ability

Like the engineer class from Vermintide

[pulsar drift]

Team burst sped sounds like something reasonable

[umbral scaffold]

A stubber that fires braced when standing and is limited in range but can be deployed on cover with a bipod. It would be immeasurably complex and this isn’t cod but a man can dream

[muted knot]

I feel like it just wouldn't flow

[umbral scaffold]

When deployed it has better range and accuracy but obviously vulnerable cause stationary

[muted knot]

But I like the idea

[pulsar drift]

Or just borrow ideas form vermintide

[muted knot]

That's what's already happening

[ivory forum]

we just have to wait 1-4 years guys

[pulsar drift]

Vermintide has far more classes right?

[placid portal]

Yes

[pulsar drift]

So it doesn’t hurt to find one that fits

[placid portal]

like 4 sub classes within 5 classes

Darktide has 3 "subclasses" among 4 classes

so there's a lack of 8 classes

[muted knot]

More than release vt2

[umbral scaffold]

It’s not impossible they already implemented cover shooting mechanics that nobody really uses

[rugged goblet]

Increased dodge distance and movement+attack speed, people can't time their attacks and dodge off ledges

[pulsar drift]

Yea

[umbral scaffold]

Plus it wouldn’t be unusable braced like the current brautos are

[placid portal]

Gotta screw with the macro users

[pulsar drift]

I think that fits way more better than this private version of stealth

[lost lake]

Get me some hotshot las/volley guns please wanna be just like Kasrkin

[pulsar drift]

I have three vets

[umbral scaffold]

I want tougher enemies

Give me plaguebearers

[pulsar drift]

And all of them running VOC

[umbral scaffold]

Let me solo a guo as a lowly guardsman

[pulsar drift]

I have only one build on stance just to remember the died john bolter

With the old bolter I had since I entered the game

Shattering impact an pinning fire

Ah what a nostalgic build

[umbral scaffold]

I was using a mg12 from beta for a painfully long time until the crafting update

[pulsar drift]

At least for the bosses we’re moving to the right direction

The twins are kinda fun

[pulsar drift]

My opening salvo mg 12 be like

[umbral scaffold]

Yes now we need demons and they should add a new demonic armor type that takes increased damage from melee (to be lore accurate)

[rugged goblet]

Plaguebearers and such could be a fun addition

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-rogan-shocked-what-surprised-gif-16534811

[rugged goblet]

Just make them almost immune to ranged damage and fun will be had

[pulsar drift]

Tho we can’t expect CSM

[umbral scaffold]

My dead team watching me solo a beast (weakened)

[pulsar drift]

But something stronger boss would be preferred

Guess there will be a fight with wolfer

[celest vine]

This is the shittiest nurgle uprising ive seen

[pulsar drift]

Or was him Wolver

[celest vine]

Poxwalkers cant even infect you

[umbral scaffold]

Yea that’s the point

[celest vine]

Cant even infect the air

[rugged goblet]

Great Unclean One awaits

[umbral scaffold]

They do be infact quite shitty those nurglers

[pulsar drift]

If you think about it

Four rejects out of nowhere can just fuck everything

Chaos spawn? Two hammer

[ivory forum]

"shittiest" is probably a compliment for nurgle

[pulsar drift]

Last less than 30s

[celest vine]

Probably cause they are, in fact, innocent of their crimes

[umbral scaffold]

It would be a little anticlimactic to die instantly from corruption from being around a poxwalker

[celest vine]

Headcannon is that the rejects were all specialists before falsely being accused of crimes

[pulsar drift]

We even have the smartest orgyns ever

[celest vine]

Cadian vet is a Kasrkin

[pulsar drift]

We not only can talk logically

[celest vine]

Thats a fact

[celest vine]

One is a bone head

[umbral scaffold]

Where’d you get that from

[celest vine]

Another is a bullgryn

[pulsar drift]

XD

[celest vine]

Cadian being a kasrkin?

[umbral scaffold]

The cadian vet only mentions a kasrkin double tap afaik

[pulsar drift]

I mena

[celest vine]

And you can make his background “elite force”

[pulsar drift]

I mean they even know the grey knights

[celest vine]

And he has shitloads of references to it

Only elite cadian force is the kasrkin

Bullgryns are

[pulsar drift]

It is quite questionable what backgrounds these rejects are

[celest vine]

Uh

[umbral scaffold]

I should’ve made my guy cadian but I thought I would’ve been a basic bitch. My first ever vet from the closed beta was cadian. Miss him

[celest vine]

Bodyguard ogryn lasted 3 days against traitors when all the normal humans retreated

These “rejects” have some pretty serious background experience before they become prisoners

[delicate lotus]

Aside from plasmaguns arwe there other weapons that arent relie to much on good aim?

[pulsar drift]

I have a cadia vet and tbh his voice lines is like pissed off everything

[celest vine]

Some of them anyway

[celest vine]

Cause he was at the fall of Cadia

[umbral scaffold]

#zealot-class

[celest vine]

With massive survivors guilt

[pulsar drift]

Yea I kinda like that tbh

Quite a different energy

Professional been my favorite

[umbral scaffold]

Real talk maybe try brautos they’re not reliant on weak spot hits

[celest vine]

Combine that with cadian guardsmen being a step above the rest of the regiments, with exception of catachan

[pulsar drift]

Maybe braced autoguns

Like the agipinaa VIII

Cuz you can’t aim well anyway

[celest vine]

You have some very funny interations with other moron characters

[umbral scaffold]

Yes only problem with brautos is they are limited in range to about 40m and that’s pushing it

[celest vine]

The seer psyker talks to what seems like w shard of the emperor’s essence

[umbral scaffold]

And don’t brace the autogun either it’s more accurate to hip fire

[pulsar drift]

Yea lol

[solid gull]

Usually I just apply some faith my brauto and it kills the sniper from across the map

[celest vine]

also in the carnival map with morrow you can hear the traitors say that you fight like 50 targets or a whole platoon

[solid gull]

/shrug it just works

[pulsar drift]

Oh rly

[umbral scaffold]

Wolfer tells the lieutenant to stop BSing him

[celest vine]

squad leaders track at least 50 targets held up in the amphitheater

[pulsar drift]

Either first shot or one mag

[celest vine]

hostiles at at least platoon strength

[umbral scaffold]

It seems like the lieutenant is just trying to cover up for the moebians incompetence

So that wolfer doesn’t tear him a new one

[celest vine]

Hes not wrong

We “rejects” straight out kill everyone

💀

[umbral scaffold]

We get a little bit of plot armor we are named characters after all

[celest vine]

Moebian 21st are shown to have trouble with doing this

[pulsar drift]

Oh btw who was that guy that our tech priest lady asked for a favor in the new carnival map?

[celest vine]

Enginseer

[pulsar drift]

Yea who is he

[pulsar drift]

Ohhh

I never noticed it

[celest vine]

The mourningstar’s dedicated engine mechanic I think

[umbral scaffold]

KX-8 is an underling to hadron pretty much there’s multiple enginseers on the mourningstar

[pulsar drift]

He’s got a fancy voice

[celest vine]

Traitor mechanicum when?

We wont get chaos sorcerers so mechanicum is fine with me

[pulsar drift]

Yea unfortunately

[celest vine]

Actually we can kill daemonhosts its not that far of a stretch to kill a shitty psyker

[pulsar drift]

Thousand sons will be there in SM2 but not here

: (

[umbral scaffold]

We fight wizards in v2 all the time

[pulsar drift]

Yea it makes sense to me

[umbral scaffold]

Did Fart shart say specifically no chaos psykers in dork tide

[celest vine]

A true chaos sorcerer is a step above the rest

[delicate lotus]

Who else would like skitarii class? Gime them Arc pistols and mauls

[celest vine]

No its only marines that are off the table

Someone had to summon and bind the daemons we fight ingame already

[pulsar drift]

Yup just not the space marines to just keep the lore fitting

[celest vine]

Beast of nurgle’s dont just appear

Neither do daemonhosts

[ivory forum]

chaos marine is a good boss idea imo

[celest vine]

The problem is powerscaling

[pulsar drift]

Unfortunately it is not because I believe in lore

[celest vine]

4 ogryns can do some damage to a plauge marines

4 vets not so much

[pulsar drift]

They just insta kills average guardsman

[celest vine]

Maybe with krak grenades

[umbral scaffold]

Some random cannibal incest twins give our guys a hard time I don’t think we can handle csm

[celest vine]

[delicate lotus]

Which mods do guys use to better visibility and less cluttering?

[ivory forum]

but we already kill beasts of nurgle with 4 generic soldier bois, so...

[pulsar drift]

There is a mode called “lowest graphic setting”

XD

[umbral scaffold]

Vets have better ap

[celest vine]

Rotflies are more likely

[ivory rock]

there's a hud reorder mod to get rid of ur hud / rearrange it

[celest vine]

Also vets have plasma guns

[pulsar drift]

Put everything the lowest and turn on hdr

[celest vine]

Plasma > any armor

[pulsar drift]

Basically you can see everything straight up

[celest vine]

But fartshart already said a hard no to marines

[umbral scaffold]

Pure strength Ogryns are matched up to csm sure but tactics wise veterans have a better shot imo especially our cracked out veterans in Darktide

[delicate lotus]

I dont have HDR monitor

[pulsar drift]

Its mostly due to the GWs end I think

[celest vine]

Marines are hard off the table sadly

Or not

Id like more cult characters

[pulsar drift]

Yea the hdr thing does is just to make ur screen super bright in dark tide

And…

[celest vine]

I know we just killed the 6th’s top lieutenants

[pulsar drift]

It hurts eyes tbh

[celest vine]

But the cult still has zero characters

[umbral scaffold]

We will never see csm in Darktide and that’s fine with me as long as they add what they did promise to the game

[pulsar drift]

Also makes ur screenshots

Very bright

[celest vine]

Where is the cult’s leader? Where is their sorcerer that summoned the daemons?

[umbral scaffold]

Yes let us kill the plague pope fartshart

[pulsar drift]

Oof

[celest vine]

Fuckign show us who is the pope

Dont even know who he is yet

[pulsar drift]

Isn’t that the inquisitors job

[delicate lotus]

A Skitarii class would probably a nice fit some of them are former criminals after all

[pulsar drift]

Doesn’t he have some better ones than a few rejects

[celest vine]

To find the sorcerer yes

[pulsar drift]

Skitarii is great but for now I can’t think of any ults that make them interesting

I mean making them unique

[delicate lotus]

We could even have a orc character i mean the inquisition can use whatever the fuck they want

[pulsar drift]

Oof you are going to far

Not the xenos

Abhuman, yes

[vernal harbor]

TEMPESTUOUS SCIONS RAHHH‼️🗣️

[pulsar drift]

Xenos no

[delicate lotus]

Ratlings

[ivory forum]

that would actually make lore nerds riot IRL

[gusty shore]

How about Skatari?

[pulsar drift]

I wish they could add ratlinb

Is been on the topic of discussion since released

And in game we do have lines about them

Tho don’t think they gonna make it to the game cuz vet is doing 90 percent of the job that the rattling is doing

Plus the skill design is gonna be difficult

[delicate lotus]

Some inquistors used deamonhosts so orcs are not that extrem

[young pond]

wasnt the emperor chillin with gork and mork for a while

[sharp ember]

ratling subclasses be like:
ratling sharpshooter (short veteran)
ratling infiltrator (short veteran)
ratling chef

[pulsar drift]

Imo the best way to introduce ratling in the game is perhaps…emm let vets have an ability to call ratling fire support once a while?

[ivory forum]

damn, guess humans really are the unhinged ones in 40k

[young pond]

plus another new skeleton to rig and animate and make cosmetics for, then an insane amount of voicelines from the other classes

[pulsar drift]

The biggest question is

How do you even make them unique

[young pond]

im surprised they're still able to add more voicelines for each update cause they gotta get like what

12 voice actors in?

[solid gull]

24

[thorny burrow]

Cop or drop

[pulsar drift]

Just like the skitarii

[ivory forum]

i want ratlings because i want to play short af character

[delicate lotus]

The inquisition can use whatever gets the job done and well asking why most 40k humans mostly wont survive

[solid gull]

Scratch that, 21

[pulsar drift]

Tho skitarii can be more interesting cuz they can do more of an engineering class

[celest vine]

Only 3 ogry voices

[ivory forum]

guess i gotta do my lore homework one of these days

[young pond]

wait is it not 3 voices per class

[solid gull]

Male and female so 3 for both of those

[young pond]

OH RIGHT

[solid gull]

Except ogryn

[young pond]

yeah christ thats a lot of VAs

[pulsar drift]

Tbh even votanns are more likely than ratling

[delicate lotus]

Skitarii have a lot of interesting weapons both melee and ranged. Techpriest would my pick for pet focused class

[pulsar drift]

Yup Skitarii so far is the most reasonable one to me

Better than things like beastman

It also can share the weapons we have already

[muted knot]

Do I take the off fire frenzy so I can finish my Columnus or do I take off dum dum 4 to upgrade from dum dum 3 ?

[delicate lotus]

They could be a energy weapon focused class

[toxic obsidian]

Why do veterans feel like the weakest class

[muted knot]

[pulsar drift]

Wow wow wow

[muted knot]

What

[solid gull]

[pulsar drift]

If you are running stupid standing fire

That’s for sure

[wet pendant]

how do i take a full screenshot of my talent tree?

[young pond]

im ngl every job vet can do, another class does better

even with the keystone update

[pulsar drift]

Is simple

[young pond]

jack of all trades master of none

but then you look at psyker and zealot and they can easily be masters of all trades

[sharp ember]

either a talent tree squishing mod, or the online talent tree build editor

[tight orbit]

Does this skill apply for the whole team? I remember it used to before the rework but the wording there kinda indicates it will only regen your own grenades.

[pulsar drift]

You sure about that

[solid gull]

Only yourself now

[pulsar drift]

Powersowrd vets are insane now

[young pond]

yeah, ive been looking at scoreboards a lot on auric damnation

[sharp ember]

you can mooch off ally kills but only you get the nade

[tight orbit]

ah thats a shame

[young pond]

i play enough games to have a decent idea of average vet performance

[solid gull]

Ogryn with regenerating frag bombs

Sounds fine

[pulsar drift]

I m more leaned to saying that vets are strong now

[solid gull]

Did a maelstrom with improved blitz with 3 frag bomb ogryns and I had upgraded deployables on vet

It’s a sight to see one sniper get nuked

[pulsar drift]

Imo is the only class that hard carry the whole team

[young pond]

even then i outperform them as knife zealot in every category which is saying a lot

on auric damnation

[pulsar drift]

Handling every single types of enemies well

[young pond]

ending missions with 40 melee/ranged kills each while they average 15 each

i should figure out how to mod these numbers to go into spreadsheets

so i dont ramble like an insane person with no proof

[ivory forum]

weakest ex stance vet > strongest stealth vet, at least in my experience

[muted knot]

what would you change on this

[young pond]

stealth vet has come in clutch with some revives but they die immediately after

[young pond]

hmm

we have very different experiences

[pulsar drift]

yea

Vet is the only class i feel that I can hard carry the whole team

I used to be a zealot main but I figured that zealots can do as hard carry as vets

especially after recent patchs

[ivory forum]

i think vet requires more game feel than other classes (kinda fitting)

[young pond]

i dont think that vets are bad, they just get outperformed very hard and fall off on auric damnation cause too much stuff spawning prevents them from doing their job and they lack tools to deal with it

[pulsar drift]

I think it is more of ur experience

[young pond]

like consistent toughness regen

[wanton dawn]

Vet kit is very "balanced". Its weaknesses are lesser passive survability, and higher gear dependency

[pulsar drift]

cuz not all vet players build the right way

[junior needle]

The difference between dumdum tiers is quite small. I wouldn't spend melkbux just for a common t3 blessing, personally. As long as you have dumdum/flak/maniac then your IAG is already at 98% power.

Also FF is interchangeable with deathspitter because DS stacks to 5 too. Also it gives power, rather than supposedly ranged limited damage.

[sharp ember]

reload to maniac, salvo to basically anything else that isn’t a salvo blessing

[wanton dawn]

Otherwise vet has good to very good answer to every situation

[pulsar drift]

i think the best example I have, the one that tells the potentil of the class

is the twin hard mode

[young pond]

i also dont see many vets on auric damnation

[pulsar drift]

in that mode

[young pond]

but that's a very specific circumstance

[young pond]

any class can specialize for one thing and be the best at it, but you want to be a generalist in darktide

the game doesnt have a hard enough difficulty to REQUIRE people to coordinate omega hard and specialize, which is where veteran might shine

[wanton dawn]

That's kinda unfair cuz you don't have fixed the boss damage on your scoreboard

[pulsar drift]

some are old ones

[young pond]

but even then, not with randos. needs a team communicating

when playing pubs you gotta be able to do everything yourself

[pulsar drift]

lets see the recent runs I have

lemme loggin to my game

[wanton dawn]

On twins my successful run I am usually 3rd to 4th in boss damage dealt, 1st in other damage

If I am high in boss damage with my build the team is probably struggling

[pulsar drift]

In twins the run I passed was having the orgyn doing the boss dmg with our three little ones clearing out the elites and focusing on the shooty guy

[round jetty]

Empires will fall is such fucking sick OST

[wanton dawn]

I think I have 4 to 5 successful hm run by now

maybe a bit more

[iron marten]

I still haven't won a single HM Damnation; on the flipside, at least I get ordo relatively quickly from this :P

[compact bear]

and mostly the people that complain about others that are bad with almost no skill are the ones that cry the loudest lol

[wanton dawn]

To be faiiiirr.... the guy is not wrong

When I see a lvl 40 psyker asking for hm twins i sweat a little

[compact bear]

its not wrong but same time those people that cry about it Suck them self too as they are the mostly the ones that need to get carry in my opinion

40?

[pulsar drift]

Okay here my recent runs

[wanton dawn]

true_level mod show you level over 30

[pulsar drift]

The ones on grags are support vet, the other two are melee

you can see in average I still pump very decent dmg

[compact bear]

honestly too though i had to fully remove all the 2 mods i had scoreboard and weapon costomization as some reason my game crashes after a little while

but honestly i dont think im really like high level maybe 50 on zealot and 60 maybe on vetran but i know how to play atleast lol

[pulsar drift]

See it is mostly an experience thing

[wanton dawn]

I'd rather not say my level

[pulsar drift]

Unless we have the data saying yea vets suck

[wanton dawn]

Ppl are starting to call me out

[pulsar drift]

We can’t rly make objective answer

[compact bear]

i dont know vets are kind of squeezie with psyker but it just deppens on mood and everything too

since sometimes i can be a gun psyker carry the hole time and other times i just die like a sack of putatos

[pulsar drift]

At the end of the day

It is skill that matters more than balance at higher level games

[wet pendant]

i didnt realize this game had mods

time for some modding

[iron marten]

level 500 vet here and...

[pulsar drift]

As long as you are not running something like suppression meme build

[compact bear]

i give up on modding it just keeps crashing my games XD

[wanton dawn]

Eheh

[compact bear]

i just gona wait for them to add steamworkshop like vermintide or i just keep vanila

[pulsar drift]

And of course I think I have enough hours on other class too

[wanton dawn]

In any case, this is my standard twin hm win scoreboard

As you can see, damage alone does not tell the full story

Am very low in boss damage

[pulsar drift]

Yup, vets job here is rly not doing the most dmg to bosses but to clear the elites quickly first

[celest vine]

I cant get mods

Not sure my character true rank

[pulsar drift]

then focusing on the shooty

[celest vine]

I do have 100% of all veteran penances done tho

250 missions won and all redacted

[compact bear]

i cant clean the elites fast inof as vetran lol to much going on so i just went full on 7 wounds zealot with relic

[pulsar drift]

emm

[compact bear]

stunding the twins and let the other 2 rip them apart

[pulsar drift]

you can with powersword and plasma gun

[compact bear]

nah

i dont own plasma gun

[pulsar drift]

oh

[compact bear]

and i dont want to

[pulsar drift]

okay then thats the question

right now the only meta for vet I believe is powersword and plasma gun melee vet

I mean the meta meta

[compact bear]

i dont care about meta to be honest lol

[umbral scaffold]

Same

[compact bear]

i just play what i like and that mostly just lagsuns and helbores sometimes a autogun but that for my close range combat with shotgun or so

[wanton dawn]

Plasma/PS is the "meta" indeed.

[umbral scaffold]

Braced autogun go brrrrrrrrrr

https://tenor.com/view/rambo-first-blood-gif-23989356

[pulsar drift]

as it should be, I just dont want ppl just come out and say "well vets suck"

[sharp ember]

combat axe too, when optimized to kill bruisers in 1 headshot

[pulsar drift]

It is not vet sucks it is just not playing in the right way

[celest vine]

Vet strategy ive heard is used a fast firing braced auto for shields

Then melee when down

[pulsar drift]

or just not comfortable with the class

[compact bear]

i dont say vet sucks

[pulsar drift]

its normal

[compact bear]

i just feel its squeezie lately

[wanton dawn]

Meta imo is not about what is top tier. It is a combination of good and popular.

[sharp ember]

yeah, if we had to talk about tip top sweat meta

[wanton dawn]

caxe is hardly as popular as ps

[pulsar drift]

for example, for a while I was playing psyker cuz I hate picking ammos

[sharp ember]

hmm

[wanton dawn]

especially if we are talking sweaty caxe

[celest vine]

Cause Fartshart nerfed chainsword and buffed power sword

[compact bear]

i rarely even need to take ammo as vet

[celest vine]

[pulsar drift]

but then I am like, okay if I run fast enough then ammo is all mine

[umbral scaffold]

I mean if you go down the middle upgrade tree you can revive teammates with your special

[pulsar drift]

so I swapped to zealot

XD

[wanton dawn]

it is a bait talent though

[pulsar drift]

man, tbh

in aurics

long as you can kill, you stay alive

is fine

[umbral scaffold]

And focus target is also pretty good.
It all depends on whether you have a good team to support or not though

[pulsar drift]

nobody cares about ur build untill you fucked up

[raven crane]

Does the perk that allows medkits to remove corruption not work for anyone else?

[pulsar drift]

it works

[umbral scaffold]

Then they care about your life lmao

[raven crane]

Mhmm

[celest vine]

Its only up to a wound

[compact bear]

i mostly play zealot or vetran deppens on my mood if i want to go blood crazy muther with melee i go zealot and flametrower if i feel my SIENNA addiction buti do say this the Tigrus MKXV evicerator is really good

[wanton dawn]

The problem with rez voc is that it is not "worth" reduced range, increased cd AND the talent point

[celest vine]

If you have a full wound it wont heal it

[scenic bronze]

Only to a wound, it's a lie talent

[compact bear]

for some reason sprinting efficiency and block both 20% is actualy not bad for it

[pulsar drift]

the reduced range is too painful

[celest vine]

Is good for grenades

[pulsar drift]

I am okay with the 15s increase

but range no

[wanton dawn]

Regarding twins fight: the single most powerful talent point in this mode is....

[grizzled pebble]

I'm trying a scuffed knife plasma build for hard mode.

[wanton dawn]

field improv

[pulsar drift]

yup

[celest vine]

Ive had bosses and spammed 8 krak grenades at bosses

[pulsar drift]

field improv is so important in twins

we had two vets so I did not have to run it

[celest vine]

No its not

[rugged goblet]

@pulsar drift it can be if you are a big brain like me and always forget to use shout so it gets maybe five uses during mission

[celest vine]

4 ogryns

[compact bear]

actualy too though i have try run support vet with the Twins even standing ontop of the person have the skill that revives people when SHOUTING it never picks them up

[pulsar drift]

okay

[dire jacinth]

damn bois i just got 2 hm twins in a row

[pulsar drift]

thats different

XD

[iron marten]

HOLY SHIT

[fathom grail]

Just don’t get corrupted

[pulsar drift]

XDDD

[celest vine]

I wish that this is the cannon version of how the fight goes

[pulsar drift]

NIce fire

[celest vine]

Rannick sends 4 bullgryns to kill the karnaks

No survivors were found

[pulsar drift]

XDDD yea I am thinking picking up my orgyn too for a while

[fathom grail]

No rashuns left

[compact bear]

but honestly i watch a group today play 4 ogryns with ripper guns they melted the twins so fast XD

[celest vine]

Rinda karnak was found missing her left arm

[umbral scaffold]

I mean if you have a psyker on your team who hastens talent regen you can literally spam it every minute

[wanton dawn]

My smoothest run so far in hm was 1 vet 3 ogryns

[celest vine]

[pulsar drift]

the only problem I have is that I dont like orgyns being so big and get shoot all the time 😄

[umbral scaffold]

You almost get temp immunity

[pulsar drift]

: D

[wanton dawn]

The problem is that you can spam base one even more

[compact bear]

for me it whas 2 psykers 1 ogryn and 1 zealot

[iron marten]

it's beautiful

[gray finch]

i tried to do the hardmode with vet once and i dont pick vet for this mission no more

[wanton dawn]

come on, it is not that bad

[umbral scaffold]

For me it was each of one class. I was the vet

[iron marten]

I used laspistol on the winning run

[grizzled pebble]

Any class can do it. Just zealot and ogryn make it easier.

[iron marten]

I just aggroed the elite horde whenever it spawned

[gray finch]

i just love nnot being able to move once they hit you

[iron marten]

laspistol ability to kite is insane

[wanton dawn]

I think the class that struggle the most is psyker

[grizzled pebble]

Don't listen to elitist zealot/ogryn only group.

[wanton dawn]

1 vet brings a lot to the table

[umbral scaffold]

Bruh 2 hits and your down

[pulsar drift]

Yup it’s like a consensus now

[grizzled pebble]

I carried randoms with psyker.
https://youtu.be/LvaenOLrY9A

[umbral scaffold]

Best I did was when I was spamming smite

[wanton dawn]

15 min bruh

[grizzled pebble]

That's why it was hard carry.

The 2 zealots were pretty useless.

[compact bear]

i actualy got 2 hit by the twins as vet all the time and go down i just dont know what it is even runing 2 curios that increases my thoughness with the perk that give a little more on all 3 really makes me not survive them XD

[wanton dawn]

I prefer the smooth run myself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzx05Clj1zk

[grizzled pebble]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1057854953164656640/1185517364998066176/image.png?ex=658fe615&is=657d7115&hm=2f039d7899018ea1e9e5ec97586fba3081832f508c270f5a7f1e202d24aa0390&

[pulsar drift]

Wait public?

[untold mulch]

More I am playing the event, more the biggestp roblem is the allies

[grizzled pebble]

43k and 80k damage xd

[wanton dawn]

I do mostly public yes

[untold mulch]

The average PUG is completely clueless of how to fight wtf

[pulsar drift]

Okay that’s quite some effort

[wanton dawn]

One of the ogryn popped off on that run

[scenic bronze]

Which scoreboard is for that layout

[grizzled pebble]

Ovenproof add on.

[pulsar drift]

Go find a tema here in the voice chat room

Is better most of the time

[untold mulch]

Later when I try for T5 hard mode

[pulsar drift]

Doing public games for hard mode sucks

Not only the team is not balanced

Ppl usually have no clue what they are doing nor what their teammates are doing

[untold mulch]

I be spamming ping when the gas shifts

[iron marten]

I guess it's even more pronounced if you have skill issue with hm twins

[untold mulch]

and people be still at the beginning

Licking a window

[umbral scaffold]

bro carry me too

[grizzled pebble]

If you want I can try.

[umbral scaffold]

well I did that hardmode but didnt get final reward for that so Im crying rn :c

[umbral scaffold]

we can try why not its always a pleasure to see pro in action

[finite imp]

Dab bird

[grizzled pebble]

I'm free for a few runs now.

[umbral scaffold]

kay lets do it

[wanton dawn]

i can join

[grizzled pebble]

That's not your fs code?

[wanton dawn]

it is

[grizzled pebble]

Oh nvm it took a while to search.

[wanton dawn]

i am co now

[grizzled pebble]

What's your fs?

[umbral scaffold]

dm u already

[wet pendant]

what you think about this

these are my weapons too

[wanton dawn]

I think it is hard to see

[wanton dawn]

thx

[wet pendant]

had that dark mode extension on

[grizzled pebble]

That's a lot of middle tree.

[wanton dawn]

Here's my summarized though

[sharp ember]

looks ok, wouldn’t go for agile engagement with a bolter

[sharp ember]

yeah this plus my comment

i’d put the points towards fully loaded and possibly superiority complex right after that

or elite kill reload

[dire jacinth]

ok im a god emperor champion indeed, i just did hardmode twins 3 times in a row lol

[junior needle]

Do it 40 times in a row to become the warhammer 40k

[wet pendant]

okay gonna try this new talent tree

thank you for the help

[sonic cedar]

Is there a guide like ogrynomicon for veteran?

[junior needle]

Nope, the best we have is some minor descriptions of weapons and perks/blessing that aren't awful on them

It lacks information about optimal selections

[finite imp]

No.

[gritty dock]

Do you know what date the deadline for obtaining these achievements is?
Are they available indefinitely and will this add-on stay with us permanently? 🙂

[untold mulch]

as of now is not known

Though knowing the shitty live service practices...

[iron marten]

no clue

but according to one of the mods

[cerulean ridge]

emperor stepping up his gifting game 👀

[gritty dock]

thx and ok 👍

[pulsar drift]

I mean is shattering impact good?

is the meta blaze away+gets hot?

[novel stone]

Yes

[quasi socket]

so whats the ps build? flakiac, pc4/bm4?

[grizzled pebble]

@wanton dawn 🤝 AgentChaos

[tall torrent]

Maniac/unyielding/carapace

Power cycler 4
Brutal momentum/sunder

[wanton dawn]

🤝 @grizzled pebble

[umbral scaffold]

Thank u very much hope we gonna play again someday

[umbral scaffold]

And ofc thanks to u ❤️

[wanton dawn]

I had fun

Getting the twins after 2 tries is good considering the situation

[grizzled pebble]

Aye I'm up for some regular plays too. I haven't done contracts this week.

[wanton dawn]

I do need to dothe dish

[umbral scaffold]

Fuck i totally forgot about contracts

[grizzled pebble]

Aye dishes before football game.

[eternal sable]

https://tenor.com/view/catboy-anime-anime-cat-boy-og_hv-gif-26280365

[quasi socket]

good thing hadron hasnt completely bricked this one then

[alpine pebble]

Why do people praise the parry swords so much? They fucking sucks compared a a good Power sword

[quasi socket]

personal preference

ive seen the parry do nutty things too tho

[tall torrent]

They’re more defensive in application but handle better

[alpine pebble]

no reason to defend yourself if you kill anything faster that it can attack you tho

[tall torrent]

Even on the highest cleave potential for power sword, you’re still not hitting every armored elite in front of you

[wise fossil]

was there a nerf to agri brauto accuracy? shooting from the hip rn and it seems way worse

[tall torrent]

Not to mention getting hit while power sword is powered up makes it lose the charge

[alpine pebble]

not even sunder and wrath lvl 4?

[cerulean ridge]

"good power sword"?
please provide an example 🙈

[sharp ember]

they’re fun, simple as. Nobody is saying they beat psword in a sweaty meta

… are they?

[tall torrent]

Well you’re a special kind of person if you’re gonna run power sword without power cycler

I’m considering PC4 + sunder

And u still don’t hit every single enemy in front of u

[alpine pebble]

no no not trying to start a war just asking becasue i cant decide

[alpine pebble]

caps at what 10 or 15?

[sharp ember]

personal experience, but I believe hipfire recoil was made worse to encourage use of the buffed bracing. Accuracy bloom feels the same though

[tall torrent]

I think base cleave is 11? And sunder is something like x4

[wise fossil]

Okay yeah I agree with that. I'm missing loads of shots at very close distance that I wouldn't have missed two weeks ago

[tall torrent]

But against multiple armored elites you’re not gonna cleave every single target

Like in the Karnak HM fight where they throw 20 scab ragers at u at the same time

5? Sure u can handle that with power sword no problem

20? Different story

[sharp ember]

I thought sunder was functionally infinite cleave, doesn’t it keep going even if you hit a bulwark shield? Can anything else do that?

[ivory rock]

Only Kant I got rn, what's the move? Swap hit n run or crit dmg?

[alpine pebble]

crit for maniac?

[sharp ember]

begone crit damage, either flak or maniac

[tall torrent]

It keeps going but u still lose dmg for every enemy in cleave

And it doesn’t go infinite

Just goes really really high

[sharp ember]

i see

[tall torrent]

Like, u can’t cleave multiple crushers in front of u

U can hit several of them

[sharp ember]

and staggering multiple crushers is basically the only reason to run sunder

for contemporary hordes you want BM for the cleave reset on headshot kill

[hybrid token]

doesnt sunder function by giving you a minimum cleave of 4

so youll ALWAYS cut through at least 4 no matter how big they are

[tall torrent]

Think so

But it’s not an infinite cleave

[trim breach]

this good?

I rlly want to replace my chainsword

[hasty reef]

Replace your chainsword? Heresy!

[trim breach]

my chainsword is barely doing anything in damnation :p

[sharp ember]

well what’s on your chainsword

[sharp ember]

hmm yeah this power sword is probably an improvement

[wanton dawn]

Sunder let you hit 5 scab rager. 2 without

[sharp ember]

but there’s still a lot of room for improvement on that psword

[junior needle]

Yeah you got nothing useful on that chainsword

[trim breach]

what should I swap crit hit dmg with?

[sharp ember]

needs at least Power Cycler and another killing blessing

[junior needle]

You'd want to swap both blessings

[trim breach]

what about the perks

[junior needle]

You can only change two things, so you'll have to leave those

[sharp ember]

blessings take priority on psword

[trim breach]

also I got 0

[sharp ember]

carapace is good tho

[trim breach]

blessings

[sharp ember]

then i wouldn’t mod* it until you do, you might find a better one outright as well

[junior needle]

Neither supercharge nor wrath are good blessings for it atm

[trim breach]

:vvvvvv

[junior needle]

Not a great choice between those two honestly

[wanton dawn]

Sunder is wrath on steroid

[trim breach]

I also found a slightly better ver

[junior needle]

Yeah cycler 4 and either sunder or brutal, sunder is very easy to use

[trim breach]

of the previous shottie

[sharp ember]

fullbore on the slug shotty, pretty nice

[trim breach]

why does that sound like sarcasm

[sharp ember]

but it is nice

the slug shot counts for activating full bore

[trim breach]

ranked it up

unyielding enemies are the ogryns right?

and those full armor bastards holding chain axes

[sharp ember]

monsters and bare ogryn flesh

[flat furnace]

Yyyyep

[sharp ember]

chainaxe men wear flak vests with carapace helmets

[flat furnace]

Oh those are carapace