veteran-class

[pulsar drift]

The question is so hard for me to stay alive as a vet

Guess it might be too much for me

[terse idol]

Uh

[pulsar drift]

Nvm

[terse idol]

Run a mix of toughness and health curios maybe 1 wound

[celest vine]

I hate ragers so maniac for me

[pulsar drift]

Mb I mean was so hard to keep alive

[celest vine]

Unyielding works well too

[stark hollow]

i mean its 5% at max stacks but i suppose maniacs is good too

[pulsar drift]

Cuz the mines are everywhere and once step on it half toughness boom gone

[stark hollow]

spam shout and see if you can get your team to kill shooty twin first. its how i did it

[pulsar drift]

Yea that’s what I am doing

[tiny summit]

What kinda build you running? Also during the fight if you can spare some time and steps, when you see grenades thrown out, walk by them on their radius to activate them. Better to just activate and clear the area than to let the area denial build up

[pulsar drift]

Guess it’s also team might not have enough dmg as well

[stark hollow]

ngl my team had 2 shield ogryns

and they destroyed the shields

[pulsar drift]

I am running a support build which basically taking everything that does supportive things

[tiny summit]

I need to try hard mode some time

[pulsar drift]

Focusing fire and etc

[terse idol]

You may need someone fast to trigger them safely, do they explode faster on secret hard mode?

[pulsar drift]

No

[brisk oxide]

they do

[terse idol]

Toughness share too?

Its really bad

[serene sage]

unfathomanly based

[pulsar drift]

Do they?

[serene sage]

I have hope in humanity

[terse idol]

Don't take toughness share

[brisk oxide]

i read that they did

i saw a list of the hard mode changes

[pulsar drift]

Yea might be more of team not projecting enough dmg issue

[terse idol]

The best support you can do is taking care of yourself and doing your own damage

[pulsar drift]

Yea

[terse idol]

As it stands support builds outside of just having VOC is bad

[pulsar drift]

You are making point

[terse idol]

[pulsar drift]

Maybe I should just go for melee vet

[terse idol]

Wdym doooe

[brisk oxide]

What's your reasoning?

[terse idol]

You can go plasma vet vs the twins and I imagine on hard too

[terse idol]

Because sharing toughness sucks

And thats your "support"

[brisk oxide]

What do you mean by sharing toughness? How does that work?

[serene sage]

Nothing is more based than self-reliance.
Henry David Thoreau

[low lava]

Born leader?

[terse idol]

Its better that you can build to meet breakpoints and save yourself rather than hindering yourself to give your team a miniscule benefit

[inland orchid]

talent called born leader

[low lava]

Born leader is ass unless youre good at killing lol

[serene sage]

Leaders aren't born. They are made.
Confucius

[odd sparrow]

The talent basically reads 15% of toughness you regen/get is given to allies in cohoeency

[brisk oxide]

Okay, yeah that makes sense. But what about things that help you and your team, like the tagging keystone or brittleness?

[serene sage]

If you are good at killing, take talents that help you keep killing.
Albert Einstein

[odd sparrow]

Tag keystone is pretty good tbh

[stark hollow]

also i found success with the colum iag over the meta guns like plasma and revolver. you want a gun with decent ammo and fast reload

[tiny summit]

How I understand it toughness sharing sounds on paper like it's a nice thing. But it's 15% of the like 30% of your toughness you replenish. So have 100 toughness? Well an elite kill gives a total of 30% toughness back, good and based for you. 15% of that 30 toughness? Oof

[serene sage]

Tag is good cause it helps you, the team benefit is a bonus.

[brisk oxide]

Okay cool

[nimble sentinel]

if fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight
-Sun Tzu

[odd sparrow]

You should always be tagging stuff and giving a dmg increase to everyone and giving everyone toughness and stamina is really nice

[fleet garden]

to zug or not to zug -orc peon

[serene sage]

yep, technically 15%x30x3 (since there are 3 teammates) but that's still low AND they only benefit when their shield is not at 100%

[serene sage]

I actually never said that.
George Washington

[eternal sable]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-gay-heavy-medic-kiss-gif-23550226

[serene sage]

wtf

[fleet garden]

gaaaay

[low lava]

Brauto or iag for shredding melee shield, power sword or chain weapon for ranged shield

[tiny summit]

"You can thank me" when I replenish 3-5 toughness to my team

[quasi socket]

the grind for mesc continues

[brisk oxide]

yeah 15% of the toughness you generate works out to not that much

[terse idol]

Tagging keystone is good because it does benefit you AND you team with a significant damage boost

But the talents that "share" toughness suck

[serene sage]

Born Leader should let you have a toughness overshield

[blazing horizon]

POV thanking your ogryn after he just taunted the 8 ragers away from you

[terse idol]

Also people will build for their own survivability anyways

[serene sage]

Or improve team toughness by 10 each

[eternal sable]

exactly

[serene sage]

Then it's maybe worth taking

[eternal sable]

im the medic

[terse idol]

Honestly it should be a higher toughness shared

Like 50%

Of base toughness (100)

Not 15

Or... is it 10?

Its too low

As it stands you only share 2-3 toughness

[tiny summit]

As I still run toughness share

[terse idol]

5 if you go with glory hunter

[terse idol]

You can

[prime vault]

It's 15%. It'd be nice if it were 30% of toughness regained

[terse idol]

It just suuucks

I hurt my build back in the day because I wanted support

Then I stopped and everything was just easier

[serene sage]

I think exhilarating takedowns should work for melee

[terse idol]

Yeah 15 is poopy

[serene sage]

Not OP at all

Trust me

[terse idol]

30 might be poopy but that could mean like 10 toughness

[prime vault]

it's actively harmful to pick that node vs an offensive node since you'll contribute more by just surviving by killing faster

back when we had the stronger regen on elite kill the 15% was more worth it

because we could just heal like crazy

[tiny summit]

Hey man, max out that toughness share with 3 toughness curios, all w/ +5 toughness with glory hunter. You'll get like...idk 8?

[nimble sentinel]

not even the mourning star can come close to the sheer quality of that ship

[tiny summit]

Bayonet stabbing heads or BM combat axes. "I'm fucking invincible!"

[steep vault]

I'm going to commit suicide

[tiny summit]

Or 1 empowered power sword swipe

[serene sage]

Can I have your account if you pass?

[tiny summit]

So I've actually wondered. How much stagger and damage if you have the stagger on weak spot and bonus dmg on stagger?

[terse idol]

3 toughness curios doesn't matter

From what I've heard

Its based on base toughness

If it was max toughness

It would be better

[tiny summit]

Wtf is fatshark doing if these are how they calculate things

[safe dawn]

I think base toughness includes the "+15 toughness" nodes though

[tiny summit]

Is there a plug-in for the scoreboard mod that tracks how much toughness you give?

[terse idol]

Base toughness is 100

So anytime you gain toughness

[tiny summit]

Because stay with me now, what if tunnel vision on marksman focus with +25% toughness replenish at 10 stacks works to make it not shit

[terse idol]

Like, you gain 20 toughness

Its 15% of 20

[finite imp]

the micro second i go down even once my entire team wipes

-_-

[terse idol]

(A whole 3 toughness)

And thats like best case

20 toughness personally is good

[crisp bronze]

Just finished the Orthus Offensive secret hard mode. Winning loadout was Power Sword 6 and Plasma Gun. Probably the hardest thing I've done in this game so far. Genuinely think it made me better at the game.

[terse idol]

3 toughness for 3 other teammates... wow

[stark hollow]

to be fair the sprint and no respite was already a bad sign

[plucky vessel]

Soo my vet only has one build(plasma gun) which I made my vet for the sole point of spiting my friend who said plasma gun was shit. The build can run damnation and stuff but now I’m thinking of trying a new/more versatile build, is the heavy las pistol and the new chaxe any good on vet?

[tiny summit]

But hey you're gonna love me when that 3 toughness brings you to 100 and you take no dmg from that random hit. Totally. Trust me. No cope.

[plucky vessel]

I’m a zealot main btw(first 200 hours were just zealot but the last 100 hours I’ve had with the new updates have been getting the other 3 classes to 30 and making atleast 1 damnation viable build for them

Which I’ve done but now I want to branch out with vet abit more

[tiny summit]

Idk how I feel about the new laspistol but new chainaxe is good but old chainaxe is also good now. I just run exdle helbore atm and sometimes bring out my melee. And shout with either a plasma gun or autogun

[untold mulch]

Birdshot

[crisp bronze]

Let's see... fun and versatile... some things I've tried and had fun/success with are Shovel with Columnus Infantry, and Shovel with the Agripinaa Revolver.

[copper pine]

New Las pistol is very good on vet

[terse idol]

Even then, on 20 gained toughness that's 23 toughness gained

[nimble sentinel]

Kantrael lasguns stay winning tho

[terse idol]

Wow 3.45 toughness shared

[safe dawn]

oh yeah the toughness sharing talent is kinda butts

[serene sage]

very very few times a run it works everytime

[safe dawn]

the good news is they fixed it so it works even if you have full toughness, which means it's not terrible

but it's still bleh

[umbral scaffold]

Could roughness share work with glory hunter?

If you wanted a support build

[terse idol]

It does in theory

Still

You only give...

3-4 toughness

[umbral scaffold]

It’s joever

[terse idol]

Its 23% toughness gained on kill

That's literally 3 toughness

Shared

[serene sage]

I support my team by doing the most damage and killing the most special/elite/horde
try finding a better support than me 😎

[tiny summit]

We've been discussing. The talent "works". The numbers are just fucked

[stark hollow]

holy shit ive never seen a 1% before

[safe dawn]

it's at it's most valuable if you're popping heads with Exhilirating Takedown while your team is under fire from shooters

and it's still not really great

[terse idol]

I mean

Eh not even then

Because like 3 toughness gained over the whole fight

Most enemy shooters hit you with a burst or pox walkers slap you its not gonna matter

Crushers and mauler overheads will destroy that

It would be cool to gain over-toughness

[tiny summit]

Even then, the toughness regen is for you so you don't take damage from them. You're like handing out crumbs

[serene sage]

but without it you would gain 0
and 3/0 is infinite so literally infinite value
math don't lie

[fresh mango]

wait sorry why unyielding? Why not flak?

[safe dawn]

if you shoot 5 shooters it gives back ~11 toughness per teammate, could be the difference between someone taking health damage or not

it's still hot garbo

but that's it's best case scenario IMO; sorta-maybe saving a teammate from taking single-digit hp damage if they're slow getting to cover

[celest vine]

Keep flak

Swap elite damage

[fresh mango]

huh?

it has +stam and +carapace damage

[serene sage]

then switch to flak and elite damage
so you can do what he said

what's so difficult

[tiny summit]

It's definitely a very small and passive thing. Only way to see if you are doing a lot would be for the game to track how much toughness you give

[fresh mango]

no it’s just earlier it didn’t mention

now it’s completely different

[crisp bronze]

I'm so close to my first 550 weapon. I know this thing kills everything it needs to already but if I just had Brutal Momentum 4...

[frigid brook]

So never used shredder autopistol but armory had this so i bought and upgraded it. Is this salvageable/worth anything?

[tiny summit]

Take the suppression talents and see how hard you can suppress

[steep vault]

the cope is too powerful

[frank ether]

you'll like this one lmao

no respite is ok on helbore 2

if anything it might be preferrable even

[blazing horizon]

What are the best blessings for a plasma?

[frank ether]

oh my god

its him

its john darktide

[blazing horizon]

It's always darkest right before the tide

[tiny summit]

I'm definitely healing with the 3 toughness share. Totally. Notice me ogryn senpai

[stark hollow]

o damn thats practically a godroll

[frank ether]

vet is just ammo bottom for ogryn anyways

[stark hollow]

blessings are p good i think change perks and you should be golden

[copper pine]

Probably blaze away and gets hot, but you really don't need to optimize blessings on plasma

[frigid brook]

What perks would you say here? Flak and Maniac/unyielding?

[stark hollow]

personally i would go test the weapon in psykanium

[jolly hemlock]

just crafted this not perfect but good enough

[gleaming turtle]

Download Loadout_config

[stark hollow]

test it first and see but generally flaniac is good

[stark hollow]

wots that

[frigid brook]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[gleaming turtle]

It's a mod that allows you to build a weapon any way you want, from modifier percentages, blessings, and perks. That way you can test it.

It's very good for saving yourself Plasteel.

[stark hollow]

oh sick

[crisp bronze]

On a well rolled plasma the Perks are argueably more important than the blessings. The ones I would look for though are Blaze Away and Gets Hot! Note that Blaze Away is locked to tier 3 so don't worry about trying to get tier 4 Blaze Away.

[gleaming turtle]

Yeah, I've literally saved myself huge sums of Plasteel this way by testing crap that I currently don't have (blessings/particular setups) to see if they work the way I think they do/people claim.

[teal abyss]

How many blessings are capped at 3? Didn’t even know that was a thing lol hopefully I haven’t been trying to grind for a 4 of something that doesn’t exist

[gleaming turtle]

Depends on the weapon. Some blessings are locked to Tier 2.

[mental kettle]

I'm gonna get screwed by Hadron... right?

[stark hollow]

is it on nexus or on modding discord

[gleaming turtle]

Modding Discord

In the creation showcase channel

[stark hollow]

ah

thanks

[gleaming turtle]

np

Just remember.

You gotta type /lc to open the console, and then when you've made the modifications you want, hit Save Loadout.

Otherwise it will just use whatever you last had equipped.

[frigid brook]

Nice to know what that is now, but i did ask for suggestion on perks not a mod. But i will check it out that mod now that you've said what it is, thanks!

[gleaming turtle]

I suggested the mod because it lets you test out all of the perks under optimal conditions.

Without spending any plasteel.

[brisk oxide]

i have a 530 version of the new laspistol with dumdum and infernus on it, it works pretty well

[stark hollow]

im not crazy right? we used to be able to see the insignia in game

[brisk oxide]

the slow fire rate kinda throws you though, like you'll overtap it

[stark hollow]

now we cant

[brisk oxide]

does around 1.5k DPS vs mauler torso

[gleaming turtle]

Let me go look at some old footage from last year to confirm.

[crisp bronze]

Flechette on the shotguns is locked to Tier 2. It gives 6 Bleed stacks on crit. This is important because it allows the Lawbringer to have a reason to exist. You can use the super wide high cleave special shot and bleed whole groups of enemies. Alternatively you can rock double DoT and stack Bleed with the Fire shot on the Kantrael.

[gleaming turtle]

Nope, we could not.

[teal abyss]

Damn ok that sounds fun

[midnight mortar]

Which insignia?

[stark hollow]

oh must be trippin then. or got confused with the mourningstar lobby being able to see squad insignia

[stark hollow]

yer lil things beside your profile pic

[fresh mango]

i finally used a good power sword and like

i get it now

this shits busted

[gleaming turtle]

I just checked a few videos from December of last year, and no one in them had an insignia, which I find hard to believe, so I am going with that they were never displayed in game.

[midnight mortar]

Like the banners for completing all of one class' penances in Darktide?

[gleaming turtle]

Weird bit is that the hud clearly has room for them.

[stark hollow]

hey hey dont use that word lest the nerfhammer hits it. and fartshart only knows how to nerf weapons until they are unuseable

[crisp bronze]

I don't think it's the best way to use shotguns but it is something different and it can work. The "meta" for shotguns is Full Bore and Scattershot (maybe? I don't know i have yet to get a good one).

[gleaming turtle]

He is talking about these.

[stark hollow]

yea

[midnight mortar]

Yeah you could always see those in a pregame lobby.

[gleaming turtle]

He is talking about in the game itself.

[stark hollow]

i thought you could see em in game

[midnight mortar]

Oh then no.

[stark hollow]

huh must be trippin

welp time to install a mod for that

[rugged goblet]

hadron just loves me

[left comet]

can i get the long bomb achievment witht he krak grenade?

[brisk oxide]

i have almost that exact one

thing rips but i go tunnel vision staying in charge mode

[rugged goblet]

I've been using the mkI for ages, finally got a decent mkII

[blazing horizon]

Yeah but I'd imagine it's harder because the blast radius is so small

[left comet]

I just can't get the distance on the other grenades

so I'm trying to make it easier

[limpid turret]

question fellas: do all the individual damage ticks from a chainsword/chainaxe special attack proc multiple stacks of Onslaught?

[untold mulch]

Last I heard, no

[slate sleet]

do smoke nades have any tech or is it a total meme

[low oar]

Meme

I do run smokes just for my plasma

Since it's the only realistic anti shooter option

Just to close the distance more safely for my devil's claw

[serene sage]

there is a tech but you need to do it from loadout.
instead of clicking the usual spot for smoke nade you click to the left and suddently your smoke nade does damage instead of smoke

[low oar]

But it's entirely useless on a melee vet because they can just go invisible

[serene sage]

[safe dawn]

Smokes would be kinda good if they didn't blind your team

[limpid turret]

there's some value to providing some concealment for the team against a heavy shooter run, though generally it's not anything that smart positioning can't solve just as well - shredders and krak add more to a loadout, so imo if people are running it, it's bc they're point starved and want more from the right side of the tree lmao

[low oar]

Me on plasma and devil's claw not needing it

[tiny summit]

You'll appreciate them when in an open arena and the game went "oops all gunners" as a grenade between yours and theirs line of sight. Heard it fucks with the AI a lil but essentially there to give a bit of breathing room in a bad position or put a pause on a room of gunners

[low oar]

Giant horde of elites you want CC for? Nah. Delete them with plasma

[limpid turret]

felt. i'm trying to make viable melee vet builds and it's just so hard to build into compared to vanilla sharpshooter and squad leader

[low oar]

I just go kraks / shredders depending on my particular stealth vet build

[tiny summit]

Sometimes you want to tell the gunners to hold while you have a conga line of maulers in your face

[low oar]

what conga line of maulers
~ plasma vet

[slate sleet]

bla bla bla plasma plasma

yes its good

sick of using plasma

[low oar]

I'm a plasma simp

[slate sleet]

puts me to sleep

[low oar]

You must be sick of life then

[slate sleet]

manstopper shotgun crit build? real shit

[low oar]

I've literally biologically modified myself irl to breathe plasma instead of air

[chilly jewel]

What are the recommended dump stats for the chainaxe?

[slate sleet]

god i miss old camo expert

new one is good too but its just.. not the same 😔

[fading grove]

What is the man stopper shotgun build viable for?

[fresh mango]

yeah power sword plas gun is my new favorite combo

[slim ocean]

Can't really see from screenshots, what is written on the new bolter skin?

[finite imp]

Hahaha wow

[low oar]

Tbh, I only used old camo expert to hack those little Gameboys and for my plasma/bolter builds to get time to reload or something

[finite imp]

It says swallow magnets and stab the homeless

[torn gorge]

memes

[slim ocean]

Wow very 40k

[torn gorge]

and killing flak/unarmoured

[finite imp]

Idk I can't speak latin

[low oar]

I'm going to swallow homeless people and stab magnets

[fading grove]

Oh

I’ll just stick to me plasma gun and devil claw then

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-brows-eyebrow-raise-smile-smirk-gif-16335782

[low oar]

This is the way

[fading grove]

Devil claw is so underrated and so fucking good

[slim ocean]

You can't? Hersey it is then

[low oar]

It's fast to pull out and does the job well, so it's my go-to for most classes

[slate sleet]

manstopper makes crits from shotguns have infinite pen so you can crit down a hallway and pen until it hits a hard surface

[low oar]

Plus the parry adds an amazing defensive component

parry this you filthy casual

[fading grove]

Parry makes ragers a after thought

[low oar]

Imagine if we could also parry bullets

And go full anime protagonist

[fading grove]

Also can’t it’s parry one shot ragers?

[slate sleet]

thats psyker territory

[low oar]

Not anymore on damnation last time I tried

[zealous depot]

I know its not special anymore, but it still made me smile

[tall torrent]

U want power cycler 4, not 3

[deep fable]

supercharge any good

[fresh mango]

Wish me luck

[tall torrent]

No

[fresh mango]

[zealous wyvern]

is that the new bolter?

[copper pine]

Nah it's from the weapon customizer mod

[lofty lintel]

what gun u guys use with rashad

[zealous wyvern]

ah

[wise fossil]

Psyker can do this

Well, block not parry

[wise fossil]

What blessings you like to use on it?

[low oar]

I want to reflect them back into the enemy to be a true anime protagonist

[sturdy crow]

Is there some new vet meta going on that says ammo regen aura is shit tier?

[zealous wyvern]

where is my bullet deflecting devils claw variant that is thinner and looks like a katana that shoots the bullet back to where you aim

[sturdy crow]

I swear 9/10 vets I run with suddenly aren't using it

[zealous wyvern]

bestow it upon us

[pastel geode]

I think people are experimenting more

[zealous wyvern]

its heavy also is a charge that teleports you forward killing anything in the way

[wise fossil]

Everyone likes the shout ability and just sticks with center tree (in my experience)

Ammo aura is 100% mandatory on auric missions imo

[zealous wyvern]

ammo is good. its just that the new mission needs no ammo aura

the new mission has no ressource problems pretty much

so its the worst aura

damage is absolutely better. even movement speed is

for reaching the safe zones faster

but outside the new mission, ammo aura is still very good i am sure

[forest blaze]

I use plasma and am making a shift from infiltrate + focus target to VoC + weapon specialist. For pathing, I had to dump survivalist.

It makes games tighter on ammo, but I haven't run out entirely at any point.

[zealous wyvern]

i love that diggusbickus and halfdanwashere are talking to each other

[jolly hemlock]

any plasmagun expert? what is the dump stat on it

[pastel geode]

speaking of the new mission are there any recommended weapons for the hard mode fight?

[zealous wyvern]

that is perfect

[zealous wyvern]

i feel like you need at least one person with plasma or revolver

to kill specials through hordes

[forest blaze]

no real dump stats but you want max damage/stopping power/70+ charge rate and decent ammo/heat

[zealous wyvern]

if noone else has them, you need to bring it

only my opinion though

[jolly hemlock]

mhh k

[zealous wyvern]

the poxers swarm you way too much for you to not have a cleave weapon

[zealous wyvern]

people say the thermic stat is dump

youre supposed to bless with "gets hot" which profits from being hot

so....

[forest blaze]

I only ran into trouble on the new map when trying to run around and rez everyone else 😂

[zealous wyvern]

you kind of want it to heat fast

aka dump stat

but i have seen people disagree with this

[jolly hemlock]

guess ill try around and see what works best for me

[slate sleet]

its retardproof

[forest blaze]

Sort of yah. The lower it is means the fewer shots you can put out before needing to vent. The higher it is means another couple of shots

[slate sleet]

it will simply work

plasmavet i sleep

[forest blaze]

The gun won't explode unless you're secondary charge shotting

which you basically shouldn't be doing

[zealous wyvern]

oh really?

[forest blaze]

yah

it'll auto vent at 90%

[zealous wyvern]

so when you only quickfire it just doesnt?

ah

[forest blaze]

yah

[zealous wyvern]

interesting

thank you

[jolly hemlock]

got this one

[zealous wyvern]

its a placeholder

but a good one

[forest blaze]

looks awesome. change the perks to +maniac +unarmored and you're good

[zealous wyvern]

change glory and reload speed?

ah

[jolly hemlock]

yea bought a few guns

[forest blaze]

glory is fine

[jolly hemlock]

unarmored?

[left comet]

how important is finesse on a power sword?

[copper pine]

Yep

[forest blaze]

yah to 1 shot gunners

[zealous wyvern]

i thought blaze away was key

[jolly hemlock]

i though maniac + unyeilding

[forest blaze]

sort of

maniac + unarmored is currently what I'd recommend as a plas main

[slate sleet]

you are correct

[forest blaze]

unyielding is ok but you already should be one shotting bulwarks and reapers and you don't use plasma into monstros

[slate sleet]

what possible reason do you have for unarmored

[jolly hemlock]

i mainly crafting it for the new zola mission

[forest blaze]

one shotting gunners

[jolly hemlock]

so i feel like unyeilding is good for it

[civic knot]

Do you want +3 stamina with a bolter while running deadshot?

[slate sleet]

you already 1 shot those

[forest blaze]

you don't

[slate sleet]

arent gunners flak

[forest blaze]

there's the unarmored one

[zealous wyvern]

what armour type are the twins?

i assume full flak?

[forest blaze]

and the unarmored shotgunner IIRC

[zealous wyvern]

or unyielding idk

[copper pine]

Generally a Stam curio is recommended for deadshot

[forest blaze]

maniac will let you one shot both flamers and unarmored will let you one shot all shotgunners and gunners

[zealous wyvern]

or duck and dive for stam recovery

[jolly hemlock]

tbh its a easy deal

[zealous wyvern]

o ndodge

[slate sleet]

dreg gunner center mass is flak

[jolly hemlock]

i can just test

since i need to change both perks anyways

[zealous wyvern]

but your 2000 ordo dockets

[obtuse raft]

Scab gunners with the auto guns are unarmored, dregs gunners with the lasguns are flak.

[forest blaze]

this

[slate sleet]

the normal dregs die in 1 hit

[civic knot]

Is suppression the thing that slows u down when ur getting shot at?

or stun?

suppression, right?

[zealous wyvern]

upside down

[forest blaze]

dreg gunners do not

[zealous wyvern]

scab are the armoured soldiers

dreg are the cloth wearing unarmoured

[jolly hemlock]

i can oneshot gunner with a charge one

thats fine

[forest blaze]

dreg gunner has the flak center but you don't innately one shot them

[jolly hemlock]

i dont need unarmored for that

[copper pine]

Stun is what slows you down, suppression messes with your aim

[slate sleet]

you do with a crit im p sure

[forest blaze]

with crit sure

[slate sleet]

with wep expert and gets hot you have nearly guarnateed crits

[forest blaze]

yah for one shot 😂

[civic knot]

Do you really want suppression imunity for bolter with surgical?

[forest blaze]

when the room has like 50 gunners in it, you want to one shot every single one of them

[civic knot]

im running shout btw

[copper pine]

I run it on my bolter build

[slate sleet]

or you can just back up and have them all run into you around a corner

[forest blaze]

sort of

[slate sleet]

gunners are never a issue for me i only play maelstorm

[obtuse raft]

Suppression immunity helps a LOT for counter firing ranged blobs in my experience.

[alpine pebble]

question for the power sword users, is it normal if i have Power Cicler 4 on you get hit and it dosnt lat the usual 4 seconds but it instantly turns off?

[civic knot]

stop with your obnoxious font size

[forest blaze]

kek

[slate sleet]

plasma i sleep

100% crit headhunter? real shit

[forest blaze]

👍

luckily he's asking about plasma and not your pumpkin spice basic headhunter

[slate sleet]

plasma is as basic bitch as it gets

[forest blaze]

lmao

I'm just makin a jab no worries

[slate sleet]

im just bored of using it thats all

[forest blaze]

I get that

[slate sleet]

its by far the strongest gun in the game

[alpine pebble]

NO!

YOU CAN'T STOP ME!

[civic knot]

ok, child

[alpine pebble]

Damn he dropped the "child"

must be a 87 year old gamer

[slate sleet]

been tyring to make raking fire infantry auto work with stealth

the 40% damage is really nice vs bosses and gunner walls

[dense gyro]

what blessings and perks do you guys run on a bolter?

[copper pine]

Surgical, pinning

[forest blaze]

it's great vs beast of nurgle 😂

[copper pine]

Flak, maniac

[slate sleet]

bolter

honestly really sucks

i dunno what they did but it feels terrible to use now

[tall torrent]

Anyone wanna do Karnak hard mode

[unreal bone]

Pgun vet is very good for orthus offensive I feel.

You can stagger the fuck out of Rinda Karnak

Just quick shooting her head on repeat

[forest blaze]

^^

noticed this on my run

also the bleed talent is helpful

[deft atlas]

If anyone is running no keystone in your build, what does it look like and how much better does it feel?

[cloud leaf]

It's the best

[deft atlas]

I'm just thinking about how much more I actually get for commiting to the keystone

[cloud leaf]

It looks like this https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ad594fc-20bc-4e5b-ab47-ad1991742120/bestest-vet-build-ever

All 3 ability modifiers together is broken

[deft atlas]

10% rending not worth it or just no room?

[celest vine]

It makes a difference

Probably no room

[serene sage]

Not much more but also not any less, instead of thinking of them as keystones just think of them as other regular ass talents.

If you like it take it, if you don't, cool, too.

[pastel geode]

but how do we bust the game like destiny 2 to one shot bosses? XD

[unreal bone]

Well holy fuck

the secret hard mode

very hard

[gentle maple]

1 change left! What do I change to god this roll?

[unreal bone]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-when-fun-begins-smile-happy-gif-15656461

[unreal bone]

I don't think this can be a godroll lmao.

[gentle maple]

Why

I'm new to power swords but thought this was good

[civic knot]

Which side do u run on that build in top tree? left or right?

[pastel geode]

it's good but not god

[ocean idol]

Braced autoguns vs infantry?

Also, which are the best versions?

[gentle maple]

What's it lacking and what can I change to improve it

[copper pine]

I do left, but what you have there also works fine

[pastel geode]

columnus on both are pretty popular atm

[civic knot]

just kinda sadge that i cant sprint as much

and i need the stamina....

or do i?

[vital bobcat]

for infantry its the columnus mk5 and for braced I think agripinna is supposed to be better

[ocean idol]

Agripina sure is amazing on zelaot

[unreal bone]

I wonder if Accatrans are any good now for the orthus offensive?

For melting Rinda's shield

She takes more ranged on her shield

[pastel geode]

I might be wrong cause it's been a while but carapace and maniac damage and I think savage sweep to pair with cycler

[ocean idol]

Which is so werid btw

Why there is no mention of it in-game

how i am supposed to guess this

[unreal bone]

This seems like it could be godroll potential if Hadron blesses me.

[gentle maple]

ok so hadron basically bricked it then

[pastel geode]

it's only on the secret hard version

[unreal bone]

God damn you hadron

you fat rusty bitch

[pastel geode]

That's her specialty

[sharp ember]

it it’s a matter of ranged DPS, i have my doubts. I only see them as 0-recoil infantry killers

[gentle maple]

I'll just forget about that one then. I have this one too and should prob just go with it instead

Different mark but felt good so far

[copper pine]

Your sword isn't bricked, your blessings are what you want, just change crit damage do maniac and it's fine

[sharp ember]

and recoil isn’t a problem when laying into a shield, so light em up with a CIAG

[unreal bone]

well I mean the worst part about accatrans is their horrendous ammo econ among other things, in the orthus fight that isn't a concern.

So I wonder if it could be useful to melt her shield

[fleet garden]

get a columnus 5

[unreal bone]

I watched an ogryn gun lugger with an achlys melt her shield

[unreal bone]

Yes but Accatran can still benefit from things like shock trooper to help make sure you don't run out AS FAST

[sharp ember]

that checks out for the achlys

if every bullet hits

[idle carbon]

thank you brunt, thank you hadron
for my vet, suggestions on what I might change?

[sharp ember]

damn good gun now

[unreal bone]

Maybe I'll bring a gun lugger ogryn into hard mode orthus

[ocean idol]

So infantry colomnus is more like an smg?

[unreal bone]

Ping the ranged Karnak for my team to focus and as soon as he goes down

unload achlys into rinda

Holy bolter

[vital bobcat]

yes it feels that way with its very fast rate of fire

[unreal bone]

Will hadron brick it

tune in nxt time

[ocean idol]

So b raced autoguns hav e more damage, but infantry have accuracy?

[sharp ember]

this is damned nice. You only need to change Specialists to something like Carapace or Unyielding and can keep the rest.

[unreal bone]

It has good stats and a decent T3 perk already

all hadron has to do is not fucking fail all 3 consecrates.

[quick moth]

Finally used plasma last night and fuck that gun while it's bugged out. Immediately went back to superior revolver.

[atomic zephyr]

melk forgot to sharpen this one

[sharp ember]

If you wanted to experiment with different blessings on that chaxe, keep Headtaker and swap out Slaughterer as your guinea pig
@idle carbon

[idle carbon]

alright

[quick moth]

29% is a damn butter knife lol

[blazing horizon]

You just hit them REALLY HARD

[jolly hemlock]

69dmg but no penetration hows that possible

[serene orbit]

something something that's kinda what 69 is something

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/billy-herrington-dotman2-gif-18657898

[cobalt olive]

Starting out what are some of the high value early skills?

[icy light]

Okay, boys. I've got this.

How do i make it the best powersword Atoma's ever seen?

[cobalt olive]

Middle aura tanky one looks goodd. Help my mates while I'm figuring it all out

[jolly hemlock]

Forfeit the power sword and take shovel it's the best way sadly

[terse idol]

Uh, delete it and find another powersword with max finesse

😭

Jokes aside

Like you're almost there

I forgot what 2nd blessing you need

But a finesse dump on a finesse weapon is baaad

[pulsar drift]

Kinda weird question

Does dmg maters on power sword?

[terse idol]

Get brutal momentum, replace for super charge

And then, uh

Replace groaners with carapace?

That's my opinion

I don't know what psword 3 needs though

Groaners is just bad

[sharp ember]

yeah top middle is a must-have for all early builds

and still exists in the majority of max level builds

[tardy turtle]

could also grab 10% Weakspot for a total of 25% weakspot against everything with Brutal

[sharp ember]

the toughness on headshot kill on the top left is also very good

basically stick around anything that helps your survivability

[icy light]

It works pretty well, i mean

[terse idol]

I mean yeah

[tardy turtle]

Is there a big difference with MkIII and mkVII shovel other than moveset?

[terse idol]

I just like ahhh

Finesse is a crazy good stat

If youre dumping that it's like not the end of the world

[icy light]

It twoshots ragers

[terse idol]

But I certainly prefer mobility dumper

[icy light]

it gets the job done for me

[terse idol]

Get BM at minimuum

Replaced with super charger

[sharp ember]

mk3 can sprint while activating, mk6 has built-in 20% block efficiency and can animation cancel into blocking after activating faster

mk6 also has the anti-armor stab into overhead combo, while mk3 is only overhead

[tardy turtle]

https://gyazo.com/dbd4b6020652d047d3be87d5b2258cd4
hmmmmm

[finite imp]

They really need to put notes out on the built in traits of weapons

And before someone links me to change logs I mean in game

Accessible

[sharp ember]

yeah like you aren’t gonna know knives have a built-in backstab bonus

[finite imp]

This made me blow a gasket when I found out

They need to rework the blessings too and make their effects more transparent

[sharp ember]

only 1/4 ideal perks and blessings, not getting that for melk bucks

[tardy turtle]

Hadron bricked it :/

[sharp ember]

you can salvage it into 3/4 ideal if you keep crit i guess

[tardy turtle]

not sure what to replave Thunder with

[finite imp]

Bwicked

[sharp ember]

the spike shovels are basically the same except for one quirk

[tardy turtle]

Thrust I guess?

[finite imp]

Yes

[sharp ember]

the mk3 recovers faster than mk7 after a heavy spike hit

[tardy turtle]

https://gyazo.com/0828e9f309a6df5222b94063c1147239
could give this a go

[sharp ember]

wouldnt keep my hopes up

[tardy turtle]

need to farm shovel blessings anyway

https://gyazo.com/7c08792f8eebd8fd136cea1c6331ef53
eh, not the worst

Mk4 uncanny is ok

[past stag]

how is the state of bolt gun atm

[tardy plaza]

We out here

we drippin

[terse idol]

I will admit

I do like the chest piece

Because I could justify it with my krieg hat

[civic knot]

What do I reroll on this?

[finite imp]

We match

I do Krieg hat pirate torso robot leg

[south spindle]

Damn, thats nice

[south spindle]

Strong as fuck

Take Marksman's Keystone, Surgical + Pinning Fire, you'll fucking delete everything

[past stag]

how do you make base use of marksman key stone

i think i am using it bad

[wise fossil]

Relatively poor atm

[tardy plaza]

Are there any cool skins for the plas?

I want to drip my shit up

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1182747665054838915/image-9.png?ex=6585d299&is=65735d99&hm=ae57888838ae94ec63d694dbe982dd6b3c338fc9e178c7177714f2ea23913ca6&

[wise fossil]

Skullcrusher and unyielding probably

[forest blaze]

I have almost the exact same axe except slaughterer thrust
It feels like a chunky/worse rashad.

+flak +maniac is my recommendation

Personally, I'm looking for a thunderous/bloodletter chaxe12

[fierce steeple]

anyone beat the twins on hard bell mode yet? waht rewards do u get for it?

[eternal sable]

would anyone like to join me to farm penance? need a leech for private match

[odd island]

mine

[eternal sable]

i wont be looting but free exp

[sleek garden]

is there a reason to use the older revolver over this one

does the old one just hit a lot harder

[eternal sable]

it hits a lot harder and its a lot more accurate

the new revolver is kinda a meme

prepare to be disapointed when you need to kill a sniper

[sleek garden]

you can't aim down sights?

[obtuse raft]

Old revolver also has better cleave which is a big deal when you have specials behind chaff

[eternal sable]

its like a braced autogun fov

[sleek garden]

really

[eternal sable]

yep

[sleek garden]

i thought the fan the hammer was a special action

[eternal sable]

no you just hold click

[sleek garden]

is the special action still you smacking a guy over the head

[untold dome]

you get an insignia that's similiar to the one from damnation but a little more golden

[sleek garden]

what's a good veteran build for the orthus offensive anyway

my shooter guy struggles when it spawns the 30 ragers

[untold dome]

i beat it with a field medic tagging build lmao

[serene bough]

if you ring the first bell 3 times, then someone hits it a 4th, is it impossible to activate hardmode for the rest of the run?

[untold dome]

ya it messes up

[serene bough]

F

[placid portal]

lol

what does hard mode do anyways

[untold dome]

more difficult boss

[left comet]

puts the twins in rage mode

[untold dome]

more elite spawns less time in between toxins their shields regen faster

[left comet]

overall more tense fight

but you get a cool insignia

[fading imp]

no revive on death

[terse idol]

Uh, find the mod to drip out your pgun

[finite imp]

bro my pgun be drippin

should I be worried

[terse idol]

Liiittle leak is oaky

😌

[finite imp]

smells like SUGAR

DIABETES

[umbral scaffold]

Sup guys, any tips for dealing with hard mode?

[serene bough]

more spawns, harder boss, no respawns

[finite imp]

IT STARTS IN MAH TOES AND I WIGGLE MAH NOSE

[placid portal]

Ahhh no respawns that makes sense

[sharp ember]

oh to have a skitarii radium carbine that slowly eroded my health

[serene bough]

these clowns keep messing up my bells

[placid portal]

Lmao

[finite imp]

DING DING DINGDING DING DINGDING DING DINGDING DING DINGDING DING DING

[nimble sentinel]

literally

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[pulsar drift]

Made it through finally

[serene sage]

FOUR TIMES YESTERDAY MY BROTHER

[nimble sentinel]

whatswallower

[serene sage]

FOUR (4) FUCKING TIMES

[serene bough]

im going on 5 times currently

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/bwah-scared-shocked-surprised-king-of-the-hill-gif-5547828

[serene sage]

SOME BLUEBERRIES CAN'T KEEP THEIR HANDS TO THEMSELVES

[serene bough]

i havent gotten to try it yet

[pulsar drift]

I then realize the only viarbale support here is zealot

[serene bough]

these people want to serve the emperor but not take on his greatest challenges

[pulsar drift]

doing support vet doesnt help much

[umbral scaffold]

Sup guys, any tips for dealing with hard mode?

[pulsar drift]

should be just straight up doing dmg

[umbral scaffold]

kinda struggling as a vet

[pulsar drift]

My take is run melee focus, with carapace and flak amour PC4 powersword and plasma gun

[finite imp]

Sup guys, any tips for dealing with hard mode?

[pulsar drift]

Dont ever think about running support

aka focusing fire

[fading imp]

a good shield ogryn with taunt

[serene sage]

this is what I used
run a competent melee weapon
and for your own sanity, find good teammates in lfg instead of pugs

[finite imp]

i did it with knife and graia brauto

[pulsar drift]

although it looks great but keep ur self alive from aggroing ragers and maulers arent easy

[unreal bone]

I wish more veterans ran the grenade regen on enemy kill perk.

[finite imp]

yeah pugs are what's going to fail you

[unreal bone]

It's really good in this orthus mission

[serene sage]

well ig we disagree heavily

[finite imp]

thats not a bad idea

[pulsar drift]

It is acturally a lot

if you ever run grenedier build

[umbral scaffold]

Alright thanks for the advice, I'll try this out later!

[finite imp]

support vets have the best survivability and that boss fight in no different

[pulsar drift]

on malestrom basically like your having an extra rumbler to play with

same with the hard mode

[finite imp]

Fatshark 8 player missions when

[pulsar drift]

Not when dealing with 8 ragers coming to you

[finite imp]

Shout will knock all 8 down

[pulsar drift]

when VOC is in CD

[finite imp]

nade

[serene sage]

you kill like what maybe 80 elites in the game? so you get like 4 nades for the Hard Mode?

[pulsar drift]

kraks cant kill all of them

[finite imp]

who said krak

[serene sage]

I'm not sure if it's worth taking demo team

[pulsar drift]

Its a luck thing

[finite imp]

and it's not to kill them all it's to stun

[pulsar drift]

I think i was lucky enough to get at least 8 back

XD

[sharp nimbus]

not always, but a competent squad will allow any mission to run smoothly

[finite imp]

also this is gonna sound goofy but you can just dodge around to their back and theyll start missing swings

[pulsar drift]

But then whos gonna kill them after all

[finite imp]

your team??

[pulsar drift]

thats the question

[finite imp]

you??

[fading imp]

you'll run out of nades before you hit a quarter of either twins health

[pulsar drift]

sometime ur team is not as trustworthy as you

[finite imp]

ur build bad cuz what if you suck???

???

[serene sage]

I am starting to hate this twin hard mode thing.

[finite imp]

i wonder what Azreal has to say about it

[pulsar drift]

kinda hot take

[serene sage]

what azreal does is not necessarily applicable to everyone

even the top end

[pulsar drift]

but the idea is that killing things quickly is better than left it to the team

tho if the team is better at pumping dmg

then thats different

[finite imp]

crowd management against 8 ragers is so much better tho. nothing is better than disruption

being able to stop whatever your enemy is doing is so fucking strong

[terse idol]

Well the best CC is death etc.
But the second best iss control for sure

[pulsar drift]

then why not both

[finite imp]

resetting attacks etc

[pulsar drift]

melee vet is using VOC too

XD

[finite imp]

good

[unreal bone]

I love pressing my q button to swap to my melee button

5 times in a row

[finite imp]

2 vets using VOC? you're basically invincible

[unreal bone]

and it refuses

to pull out my melee

[finite imp]

get a new q button

[unreal bone]

Get a new keyboard.

[finite imp]

looooool

too much gamer gunk

[cobalt olive]

what's VOC?

[finite imp]

voice of command

[cobalt olive]

ah, thought it looked strong

[finite imp]

it is

[serene sage]

videos of chairs

[finite imp]

people say HMMMMGHGHG instant toughness heal for me and everyone around me, sick buffs, AND overshield? No ty ill just drop aggro on top of the rest of the team

[unreal bone]

I wonder if Martydom is good in the orthus offensive.

Cause you never get to heal.

[swift ingot]

Visions of Cringe

[muted gorge]

its fine until you pop until death and can only get25% health back and tahts not enough to take waht you gotta take unless you're just so good you cant get hit in the middle of all the chaos

[fading imp]

it's a good safety net

especially since everyone gets their own med stim

[celest vine]

Had a veteran try to just shoot a plasma gun

Downed immediately casue the game spawned 8 scab ragers

[muted gorge]

yea thats not gonna cut it

i will say the enemies popping out of the gates instantly with no warning is stupid

[sharp ember]

he had a plasma gun, why didn't he win

[tall torrent]

Don’t

If u wanna have an easy time in Karnak HM, it’s 2 Ogryns + zealot + zealot/veteran

Good strat for vet is to run a bunch of grenade talents with shredder frag to wipe the elites & hordes in mass

[unreal bone]

I think the best strat is to just take it slow.

Spend more time babysitting gas nades and less time getting pushed into them by Rinda. 🤣

[swift ingot]

@tall torrent finally got the chance to use a Laspistol with Dum Dum and ghost, as well as the build you gave me. It’s fun and I see the value but it’s just not my style

[tall torrent]

That’s fine

Use what u prefer

Raking fire is good too

Infernus bricked unfortunately

[swift ingot]

at least I finally got a chance to give it a go

[serene sage]

You were supposed to hate them for hating your build. Are you even a real gamer?

[tall torrent]

I was listening to Karnak boss music for like 3 hrs straight so I’m not thinking that well rn

[swift ingot]

I don’t hate it, I just suck with it because I can’t hit heads consistently

[bitter turtle]

Haven't even had a chance to try HM yet

Sadge

[tall torrent]

Managed to beat it tho

[serene sage]

I got my shit kicked in.

[bitter turtle]

Lol

Guess it's pretty for real then

[inland orchid]

it aint called hard mode for no reason

[serene sage]

But I have the mode unlocked if you don't wanna do the tedium

[swift ingot]

I made the mistake of staying up for 8 hours trying to beat them on hard, came really close a few times but came up short. I’m confident that I can beat them but it’ll have to wait for now, I got school work I need to finish before I try again

[bitter turtle]

Might try tonight if my job shit ducks off

[tall torrent]

Karnak HM in a nutshell:

[bitter turtle]

🦆

[inland orchid]

lol nice callback

[serene sage]

I would brave the gauntlet once more if you need one.

[bitter turtle]

Lol thanks

I'll ping you if I end up having time to try i5

[coarse topaz]

What weapons or builds for the twins on hard mode do you guys thinks will work for veteran?

[serene sage]

Yee. Gl. Pugs are horrible, as usual.

[bitter turtle]

No surprise there

Especially since there's no auric filter

[serene sage]

Something with horde clear, so caxe and ps are good

[past stag]

what is a good weapon combo for weapon specialist

[serene sage]

Probably plasma or columnus for ranged

[bleak bolt]

Thoughts - should i replace scatter with no respite?

[tall torrent]

Full bore is not the best thing for kantrael shotgun

Because it has the widest spread

[knotty viper]

unless!

[bleak bolt]

what would be the go-to blessings for it?

[tall torrent]

I think scattershot (3 or 4) + manstopper (2) is the way

[soft solstice]

I tend to go shovel and las pistol, las pistol can get a quick kill in 1 or 2 shots to trigger specialist since I value it on melee more than range, and I like heavy attack spam but the new shovel with vanguard lights is good too. Otherwise any weapon with good lights i think work

[bitter turtle]

Revolver is the poster child of weapons specialis

[tall torrent]

Combat axe/power sword + mk2 revolver

[soft solstice]

Revolver is good but I’m concern about ammo

[unreal bone]

Who said Martydom wasn't good for zealot in orthus

[soft solstice]

I hate the combat axes but attack speed buffs makes them work

[tall torrent]

It’s usable

U just get way less value out of stims

[unreal bone]

I normally stim my teammates anyways

cause they aren't dealing with the gas nades like me

[soft solstice]

With a las pistol your ammo can last for a long time and pump out good damage to take advantage of and gain specialist

I like the health stims but I feel like you should probably be using the other stims more to end the fight faster, I don’t see people really using them

[umbral scaffold]

?

attack speed buffs?

[bitter turtle]

Trench fighter and weapons specialists

[soft solstice]

The entire commando line has 2 attack speed buffs, and we were talking about weapon specialist

[serene sage]

French Tighter Drill

[umbral scaffold]

danke

[knotty viper]

the... one stim! singular. lol

still worth it for survivability overall

[serene sage]

Just grab one off your dead teammates

They don't need it

[soft solstice]

I really don’t jive with infiltrate but it can be super clutch for the boss, the two of them makes normal revives impossible

[dusk idol]

as they should be

[soft solstice]

Outside of maybe psyker shield but I feel like they’re too aggressive for that either

[tall torrent]

When we beat them it was so chaotic that we accidentally killed the sister before the brother

[soft solstice]

In the run I did that happened too. Only did one damnation attempt so want to get that done

[dusk idol]

infiltrate is good for the utility and the damage if you grab it

but shout feels just as good

[soft solstice]

I feel like even with full stacks from the mark keystone, they take so much damage

[dusk idol]

if anyone goes down in the hard mode it’s like a 50/50 chance you get them up anyway

[tall torrent]

Psyker seems to be the least used class for Karnak HM?

[dusk idol]

with or without stealth

[soft solstice]

Shout is super good and more readily spamable

[nimble sentinel]

I found a tagging spammer with the keystone

[dusk idol]

hi

it’s me

[sharp ember]

📯 CRUSHER 📯📯📯📯📯📯📯

[soft solstice]

I tried using infiltrate for damage, I try using it for repositioning, I try using it to get deep and flank, I try it as a panic button, and I feel like I never like

[nimble sentinel]

mfer went through all that points tax just to waste it being an annoyance

[sharp ember]

that being said, i don't think it resets the tag back to 1 stack

[civic knot]

Is graia mk IV good for single target dmg?

[sharp ember]

it sustains the current highest stack and doesn't consume until you have more stacks than what the enemy has

from my observations in the meat grinder

[soft solstice]

I think it might apply the stacks on top of their current ones? The wording on it is weird

[lethal sorrel]

If he tags the same one, yes

[nimble sentinel]

he was tagging rager clusters

[tall torrent]

if tagged enemies are rapidly killed, u get 2 stacks on each

[soft solstice]

It can’t go over the max but it will keep adding until then

[sharp ember]

oh then yeah he's absolutely wasting it lol

[tall torrent]

If u just spam, it’s 1 stack on each

[sharp ember]

constant target swapping

[nimble sentinel]

I am so flabberghasted

is the average vet really this dumb?

[soft solstice]

Maulers and ragers spawn in big enough groups that I don’t think it helps against them, but 30% damage against the bosses should be good

[tall torrent]

Was it Karnak HM?

[soft solstice]

I feel like elites and specials don’t spawn enough during the boss to be the most value, like the ammo is nice but I feel like the 5% damage might be worth more

[serene sage]

Probably a Redirect Fire stacker. I just tag everything insight, I don't spam

But I do tag a lot and don't care about waiting

[nimble sentinel]

nah it was spam

[sharp ember]

Redirect Fire do be pretty nice

[nimble sentinel]

rapid fire screaming and all

[soft solstice]

It’s pointless to mark other things without killing the first one, unless you’re trying to mark a specific unit and miss

[sharp ember]

i should try what turning off tagging sounds is like

[nimble sentinel]

spends all those points for a keystone he doesn't use and gets mad at me when I ask him nicely if he could not

[dusk idol]

so long as most of the time my target is killed

I’m happy

[nimble sentinel]

oh, also dead by room 2

[serene sage]

Called him a worthless c*m stain that should have been aborted. That usually does the trick

No I'm not toxic, you are.

[serene sage]

Your loss.

[soft solstice]

Question, has anyone figured out if the new las pistol also has the crit bonus?

[serene sage]

There's a new las pistol?

[nimble sentinel]

las desert eagle

[serene sage]

Ah the leagle

[soft solstice]

From the last patch, bit worse ammo and fire rate for damage and range

[nimble sentinel]

aye

[soft solstice]

I did really want a desert eagle style pistol, I still think it’s not quite what I’m looking for but still good

So it does have the 15% passive crit?

[swift ingot]

For me it’s exactly what I was looking for

Also I’m fairly positive that they share the same base crit chance

[nimble sentinel]

MG IV still winning

[soft solstice]

My idea for a desert eagle is being between the revolver and las pistol, and it feels much closer to the las pistol

[swift ingot]

MG IV is still amazing but the mkX just hits different and feels amazing to use

[soft solstice]

The las pistol does have good power for something so light but I want something with some weight

[swift ingot]

Probably what Bolt Pistol will be

[forest breach]

cant wait for that bad boy

[swift ingot]

Till it gets added, the mkX Laspistol fills the void

[atomic zephyr]

it's the simple things.

love me chain weapons :)

[sharp ember]

a bolt pistol would be pretty fun

[atomic zephyr]

a bolt pistol would be awesome

actual desert eagle

[sharp ember]

probably sacrifice quickdraw equip speed for a nice combination of mag size and damage

maybe 7-8 bolts in a mag

a literal pocket bolter

[soft solstice]

That’s kind of what I imagine it would be but I feel like the things I want would be hard to balance ammo wise

I still want a fuck off heavy duty sniper rifle but for the damage I want, it would have to have like 20 shots

[forest breach]

maybe ripper rounds blessing for bolt pistol?

[pearl sapphire]

After using it for a good while, I am now a Hellbore MKII advocate compared to my previous MKIII zealotry

Bayonet speed alone makes it better

[blazing horizon]

If they changed the bayonet on the MkIII it'd be

[pearl sapphire]

Oh 100%

Charge speed isn’t that different to me personally, but the bayonet makes or breaks the weapon

[tardy plaza]

Why does every veteran refuse to run with extra wounds ?

Crazy bastards

[pearl sapphire]

Because toughness and health are where it’s at for my loadout

Don’t plan on going down much, you know?

[gray belfry]

meanwhiole i run health/toughness/wound for my curios because having only 2 wounds is spooky

[idle carbon]

dress for the slide, not the ride as I like to say

[gray belfry]

got 185 toughness 189 health

[pearl sapphire]

Ehh, it isn’t that bad, on my level 30 I have 3 17% toughness curios with an extra 5% perk on each of them

Toughness spam

[gray belfry]

whats your toughness at after all that

[pearl sapphire]

Gimme a sec

Btw VoC is god tier with it, for me at least

[gray belfry]

oh yeah VoC is great

debating changing my curio perks around, so far its toughness and toughness regen speed, might change the regen to health

[pearl sapphire]

One sec, loading in

And it’s not 100% of all the toughness you can get for vet I don’t think

[sharp ember]

ah, did the premium store ever rotate?

[soft solstice]

It just feels really comfortable to have that 1 extra wound for high dif

[pearl sapphire]

Understandable

[idle carbon]

yes, rogue trader stuff in there now

[midnight mortar]

I don't trust myself enough to not run one +1 wound.

[soft solstice]

Otherwise I would be all toughness if the game would give me food toughness ones

[midnight mortar]

How fucked is it?

[soft solstice]

I think they all look nice

[idle carbon]

dunno, not really my style tbh

[soft solstice]

I got the veteran body since I’ve been wanting more veteran drip

[left comet]

ogryn hat is pretty funny

[soft solstice]

Haven’t liked anything since the tanker set

[midnight mortar]

Any screenshots? I can't check yet.

[gray belfry]

oh boy its another 2.9k set

[soft solstice]

Zealot hat is nice but I already have one I like, same with Ogryn body

[left comet]

recolor, but you get it

[serene sage]

extra care and attention 👍

[swift ingot]

Ogryn gets a pimp jacket and a funny hat

[soft solstice]

Ogryn hat makes him look like Scrooge waiting for the ghosts to come

[idle carbon]

I just want Fatshark to let me put this on my Veteran, all of which is currently in-game with no use of For The Drip
but noooo, they insist on keeping this away for no good reason

[pearl sapphire]

271 flat
321 with VoC

[swift ingot]

Was my initial impression as well

And I absolutely love it

[pearl sapphire]

I want the steel legion stuff back

[gray belfry]

godamn not bad

[soft solstice]

I just use the normal cracked helmet on mine, but I did get the beret that was in the store awhile ago

[pearl sapphire]

Missed all of it

[soft solstice]

I like the beret on my gun Ogryn

[swift ingot]

Probably not going to buy the Ogryn set right now, because my Oggy already looks fresh as hell

[pearl sapphire]

I really never go down with it, just have to deal with flamers 24/7

[soft solstice]

That do be hella fresh

[midnight mortar]

Which one? There's two sets, a reskinned helmet, and a premium helmet with the rebreather tube but the goggles are removed. 🤣

[swift ingot]

The red scarf really ties the whole thing together huh?