veteran-class

[atomic zephyr]

speedload to handcannon

[south garnet]

I like the sound of a gorillion - expand on that

[shrewd lagoon]

by in the numbers here I meant how much my teammates actually need the extra toughness

not just toughness gained *0.15

lol

[south spindle]

If you kill ten of them, they get 15% toughness back, thats a lot of killing for not much benifit to your team when other classes either have so much TDR they never need the topup, or they generate it so fast themselves, that its a meaninglessly small amount

[trim raft]

Okay, I can't one tap a dreg gunner uncharged, but I can one tap a dreg rager on T5 with a headshot.

[south garnet]

I'm just kidding, I don't really do math I just sort of read the auras of each talent node's chakras and weave them into a build tapestry

[shrewd lagoon]

[south garnet]

It's in that way that the math works

[trim raft]

I'm in y'all's hands, I'm a Pyscher main so I'm not sure exactly what I'm doing

[brave scarab]

would you change either of the perks?

[atomic zephyr]

crit hit damage to...maniac?

[quasi socket]

thats the neat part, some of us dont either hahahahah

[atomic zephyr]

yeah probably maniac

can always change it later

[shrewd lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/bolter-warhammer40k-space-marine-imperial-navy-adeptus-astartes-gif-16790417

[brave scarab]

thanks

now meta build for revolver lmao

[tall torrent]

It’s not good

[quasi socket]

think its weapon specialist currently, the swap is really good with crucian roulette and 3 rounds in mag

[south garnet]

even if born leader were good what are you gonna do, spend talent points on buffing your team like some kind of buffoon?

[trim raft]

is Field Provisions a good perk?

[shrewd lagoon]

yea I switched to for the emperor to dooomp beasts

[sullen scarab]

Oh shit, just got this, what should I swap on it?

[south garnet]

uhhh i-is this the line for auric or...? d-do you guys mind if I have a turn?

[tall torrent]

It’s good

[celest vine]

I got my moneys worth of the game

[south garnet]

i have over 1k hours and I still have a negative review up

I'm not taking it down and I feel no remorse

[celest vine]

Youll be one of those funny steam reviews

Negative review

[quasi socket]

with 18k hours

[celest vine]

4k hours on record

[quasi socket]

lol

[serene sage]

I don't leave Steam reviews 😎

[terse idol]

Definetly need unarmoured them imo, can you one shot a scab gunner with a head shot?

[serene bough]

whats this

[celest vine]

Xbox year im review

[serene bough]

oh xbox

[terse idol]

I know the difference between a dredge gunner and scab gunner is 200hp

[serene bough]

should've guessed from the color scheme

[celest vine]

The game has been on Xbox for 2 months and it became my number 1 played game

[serene bough]

you're truly an elite

[celest vine]

This game slaps

[trim raft]

Yes I can

[terse idol]

Okay gooo

Yeah then you need unarmoured

Or take perks like

Increased elite damage

[celest vine]

I mean to he fair, I stopped playing literally every other game for the past two months for this one

With a titanfall 2 game to break it up occasionally

[serene bough]

pretty much me over the last year, sans some exceptions like baldurs gate and other RPGs

[celest vine]

New vegas is my number 3 most played this year

[trim raft]

this is the build i'm using

[terse idol]

Yeah with those if you can't one shot a dredge gunner still

With a headshot uncharged

Without focus target

[tall torrent]

Go iron will in the middle over 10% toughness replenishment

[terse idol]

You'll need to change a perk to + unarmoured

[trim raft]

this is what the PG is at currently

[left comet]

what guns are good for veteran?

[bright cliff]

thrust plus the one that grants rending on repeated hit is a very strong combo on the foldable shovels

[low oar]

Ones that shoot stuff

Pretty much all of them

[bright cliff]

just try weapons out until you find the ones you like

[serene sage]

What kind are you looking for?

[sullen scarab]

Yeah that's what I was thinking, wasn't sure if Thrust III was enough

Thrust + Uncanny strike with Carapace and Flak should be a good combo on the VII, yeah?

[left comet]

semi auto

[bright cliff]

I've seen good numbers. Plus I think between thrust and uncanny with the carapace you can two shot crushers and maulers, with the mk3 anyway

[left comet]

or an auto with good accuracy

[trim raft]

at 18m I can one tap headshot a dreg gunner with Longshot active

[bright cliff]

I think actually instead of flak for the other one I'd go with unarmored to make sure you can still clear hordes well

[sullen scarab]

oh true

[bright cliff]

if you're using the weapon special you can one-tap every single flak armored enemy anyway so

[sullen scarab]

oh yeah and I have the uncanny strike rending anyways

the irony of the shovel, bonking so hard all the perks become a ????

[bright cliff]

the only thing with flak that has a bunch of health is the flak rager. I tried it with flak on for a bit but you're right in that the innate total rending is so high that the extra damage is negligible.

[sullen scarab]

yeah

[serene sage]

The Vraks Headhunter series is probably up your alley then.

[bright cliff]

I like unarmored or infested

[sullen scarab]

ok, I guess I'll keep Thrust 3, and slap on Unarmored

and put on T4 Uncanny strike

[bright cliff]

happy shoveling

[sullen scarab]

yeeeee

I loe the shovel

I also got a MKii today that was really good

happy with that

[trim raft]

I just had a 1 hp breakpoint on a dreg gunner

[sullen scarab]

I think for this one I'll just swap out Thrust 1 for Uncanny

[bright cliff]

usable but honestly not great

[sullen scarab]

and unyielding for carapace

[bright cliff]

a sound choice, still not bis tho

[sullen scarab]

yeah

Best is like what, Thrust 4 and Ucanny, yeah?

[bright cliff]

I imagine so

[sullen scarab]

probably just run this with plasmagun anyways

[bright cliff]

honestly if I'm running something that is already great at dealing with crushers I prefer to have a melee that's better at horde clear

[sullen scarab]

yeah I usually take a devil's claw, I just like bonking people with the shovel

it makes the nice noise

which is like 999999% important

[bright cliff]

dc4 is great for zealot but I know that vet players prefer the 2(?) because it has a simpler attack pattern

don't think I've seen anyone use the dc7

[serene sage]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/ZBLkjWSH3F

Skill issue the thread

[bright cliff]

what's wrong with the bolter lmao

[sullen scarab]

I've been using the 4 without problems

[sullen scarab]

love the overhead strike lol

[bright cliff]

I like the dc4 now only because if I started using the dc2 I'd fuck up my muscle memory

[sullen scarab]

yeah

[serene sage]

Where in my god green flat earth is revolver not the best pick

[sullen scarab]

LOL

I hate the revolver so much

[bright cliff]

never listen to redditors for balance advice because they're all shit

[sullen scarab]

yeah the reddit advice is awful, someone told me that Unyielding is good on shovels because it lets you one shot Mutants.

I was like ????

[flint garden]

wot

[bright cliff]

I will say even though the numbers are nice on veteran with the +20% ogryn/boss damage from Bring it Down! and +25% Unyielding, plus whatever other damage buffs veteran can give the bolter, I prefer the bolter on zealot because the sainted gunslinger talent makes the reload so much faster

[sullen scarab]

@bright cliff Actually isn't this a really good shovel? Just slap Thrust IV on it when I find it and it's good to go?

[bright cliff]

wtf

why wont hadron give me shovels like this

[sullen scarab]

LOL

[terse idol]

I would still personally make sure it one taps at all ranges

because that means you're about 15%~ off

[bright cliff]

genuinely what a crazy shovel. take this with the focus fire talent and I'm pretty sure the numbers are there to reliably two-tap crushers without any crits

[terse idol]

That's why you want to take unarmoured

Also

You should take the perk that gives you tougness on elite kills

near the top

I would swap it out instead of longshot, once you do put + unarmoured

[bright cliff]

I love watching this perk fill up my perk bar during hound/shotgunner rushes lol

you kill an average pack and it's like what, 60 immediate toughness and 120 over a handful of seconds? easy choice

[terse idol]

[bright cliff]

it sucks that veteran no longer has any good choices for toughness dmg reduc but at least I still have this

you know it's kinda weird that veteran has become as much of a support class as psyker

[torn gorge]

[terse idol]

I mean kinda?

VOC is like

All around good

And most VOC vets also run focus target

That gives you 32% extra damage on 8 stacks of focus

[trim raft]

tis the plan, which sucks because I like one tapping ragers

[terse idol]

You're as much support as the extra damage you give yourself and your team

[terse idol]

you'll still be able to

Go

Unarmoured

• maniacs

boom

you should make the break points

Blessings are the weak point but

It's not bad

[trim raft]

so Glorry hunter and SI arent bad?

[terse idol]

Try unarmorued

[bright cliff]

doesn't it give that to everyone though? besides, there's a reason why every single veteran build wants you to take survivalist aura and why lobbies complain when you dont

[trim raft]

on nvm

[terse idol]

and maniac

[hybrid river]

squad leader support role is the most vanilla role you could have for a soldier class

[trim raft]

just saw the follow up lol

[hollow ibex]

Wdym it’s perfectly fine with VOC or invis

[terse idol]

SL's not bad

Could be...

Blaze it

[bright cliff]

I'm not saying its a bad thing, just curious. launch vet tree was extremely one-note and I'm happy they've branched this class as with others into more team-oriented roles.

[terse idol]

but like you gotta work with what you got

You got 2 bad perks

And 2 meh blessings

Would focus on fixing the perks, and deal with the blessings

[bright cliff]

why do you

type all your messages

like this

[trim raft]

new PG i'm going to start working on, I think after 2 upgrades it still might have promise

[tall torrent]

Iron will -50% (above 75% total toughness)
Close order drill -33% (max coherency)
Exhilarating takedown -30% (-10% x3)

[bright cliff]

damn fr? I gotta read talents more

my bad I already had the first two on guess I should stop complaining. do you know if those are multiplicative or additive?

[flint garden]

multiplicative otherwise youd be invincible nonstop

[hollow ibex]

Iron will + VOC + any of the toughness restoration nodes makes you pretty damn durable

[terse idol]

[bright cliff]

sorry bro I didn't mean it like that

[tall torrent]

Multiplicative so you don’t just become straight up invincible

But veteran can get very durable

[bright cliff]

that's what I figured but I've never done the testing so

there are a lot of granular numbers in this game that seem very out of the way to get solid answers on

[tall torrent]

Veteran is either basically unkillable and instantly pops everything, or goes down in 3 hits

That all depends on how good you are at managing your toughness

[bright cliff]

what are you putting on your curios anyway? I've been doing just fine with x3 toughness increase but I want to hear other opinions

[forest blaze]

I got blown up by barrel by one of my brain dead teammates which launched me into a poxburster that exploded and launched me to another poxburster and I died instantly.

[bright cliff]

ping pong

[tall torrent]

I run x2 HP (20%) and one 16% toughness

[forest blaze]

I was bigly not happy

[tall torrent]

Exactly, 3 hits

[hollow ibex]

That’s basically how the game had to kill vets

[hollow ibex]

Why not three toughness?

Out of curiosity

[tall torrent]

Because I have all 3 toughness nodes from the talent tree (+15, +25, +25)

[hollow ibex]

Oh ic

Makes sense

[forest blaze]

The best nodes

[bright cliff]

you know if you ever needed an argument against having wound curios, the new healing stim only heals 25% or one wound, whichever is greater, so if you only have two wounds, it will always heal for 50%

[tall torrent]

And with just +21% toughness (16+5) from curios I’m sitting at 200 toughness

[terse idol]

Oh uh, I did, Max Health, Max Toughness, and Stamina

I think that gives a good enough balance

[tall torrent]

With 210 health

[forest blaze]

How else can we flex on zealots with a huge wound pool?

[terse idol]

I would swap out my stamina if I'm not running weapon spec though

[tall torrent]

That’s if I need to play seriously anyway

[terse idol]

So at this poiint, probably 2 toughness, 1 max hp

[tall torrent]

Rn I’m playing a less optimal set-up with +30% dockets for farming

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1171107502713208924.gif?size=48&name=chipbruh&quality=lossless

[bright cliff]

I don't find myself running out of stamina all that often anymore but I'm never a huge shove attack guy. I'm sure if I was I'd want like 14 stamina bars

[bright cliff]

honestly chad choice

[forest blaze]

Shove attack is big on PS6 because your dodge sucks

[tall torrent]

You want at least one of the stamina regen delay reduction nodes

[dapper vessel]

1 +3 stamina curio is all you need

[bright cliff]

uh

[terse idol]

I could probably go without 1 +3 stam tbh
I'll try 2 toughness 1 max hp and get back my findings cerrtainly

At least on my other builds

[tall torrent]

Either will do

[craggy dove]

Does Deadshot not work with the Plasma gun ?

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t

[forest blaze]

Noop

[craggy dove]

Awww

[bright cliff]

damn why do I feel like this guy has more talent points than I do wtf

[craggy dove]

Sadge

Oh well

[forest blaze]

Crit plasma isn’t a great build anyway and you don’t have sway so it’s fine

[mint oar]

how do i do the resupply allies penance?

[craggy dove]

Ta, lads.

[tall torrent]

Take survivalist (left) aura

[mint oar]

wdym?

[tall torrent]

That’s the one that resupplies your teammates with ammo

Then just stay with your team and kill specialists and elites

[mint oar]

how do i resupply them

[tall torrent]

.

[bright cliff]

read the aura dawg

[mint oar]

idk what that is

[bright cliff]

the yellow circle in your talent tree

[forest blaze]

With the bullets

On the left

[mint oar]

im already doing the red circle

[bright cliff]

with two crossed bullets, the one called survivalist aura

[forest blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/blink-blinking-glasses-stare-gif-23139260

[bright cliff]

no above the red circles there are yellow circles

[mint oar]

oh wait i have that one

[bright cliff]

okay

[tall torrent]

take this aura, stick with your team, kill specialists and elites

[forest blaze]

Take aura
Shoot hoes
Get penance

[mint oar]

ok ty

[bright cliff]

I meant to ask, why no demolition team?

[terse idol]

I heared from my friends that...

Survivalist stacks

Do aura's stack?

[bright cliff]

I should hope so

it would be weird if they didnt

[flint garden]

they dont

[forest blaze]

I don’t believe so

[tall torrent]

That’s a troll build I made just for laspistol

[bright cliff]

ah

you got me really second guessing some of my talent choices for a sec

[terse idol]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[lofty lintel]

whats better flak or maniac on a zarona revolver

[terse idol]

I can't figure it out

[tall torrent]

I use these two

Tag keystone with helbore2
Specialist keystone with revolver2

Melee is Rashad axe

[bright cliff]

which do you plan on shooting and which do you plan on stabbing

[lofty lintel]

good question

[tall torrent]

Carapace is priority, then it’s really whatever

[lofty lintel]

i have 25% carapace already

[flint garden]

zarona hits most breakpoints without needing em

[tall torrent]

Unyielding prob

[lofty lintel]

either i get flak and i can one shot any flak armoured target or i get maniac

[flint garden]

go shoot stuff in the psyk

[bright cliff]

take a weapon that can deal with ragers and take flak, or decide to melee every elite to death and take maniac

[tall torrent]

I don’t think flak/maniac give revolver2 any major breakpoints?

[dusk idol]

maniac can give flamer one shots

[terse idol]

What else could you get?

[lofty lintel]

yeah thats what im doing rn i leave scab ragers at 1 hp from 2 headshots and scab gunners 1 hp from 1 headshot

flak it is i guess

[dusk idol]

flak just makes it easier to deal with ragers and maulers

gunners too

[flint garden]

revolver already oneshots flamer bodies with a crit

[hybrid path]

flak/maniac doesn't hit any breakpoints on a crit revolver build since they already die in a single shot.

[south garnet]

just played a dam vent purge sniper gauntlet, one boss that showed up was a plogryn and we ended up trapping it in an airlock to beat the shit out of it lol

[terse idol]

Wait do you have

[bright cliff]

I don't understand the damage multipliers on some enemies. why do the flamers have 1400hp if they die so fast?

[terse idol]

Hand cannon on your gun?

[dusk idol]

new revolver with maniac can one shot heads with no crit

wait

[tall torrent]

Crit headshots 1 tap them and revolver relies on crits

[dusk idol]

revolver 2

[terse idol]

Breakpoint difference

[bright cliff]

didn't they nerf hand cannon?

[dusk idol]

like second revolver or mark 2

[terse idol]

Yeah

It's still good

[tall torrent]

So I wouldn’t purely count base headshots for breakpoints

[lofty lintel]

i see

[terse idol]

Like, handcannon even if nerfed is still very viable

[tall torrent]

There’s revolver2 and revolver14

[dusk idol]

fkn hell

[flint garden]

depending on your roll and talents you can prob get rager crit body oneshots with maniac

[bright cliff]

revolver2 and revolvermk2

[dusk idol]

yeah i get that, i thought you meant the 2nd revolver to come out

[lofty lintel]

(dont mind the t1 hand cannon im looking for better tier) so i could leave sprint efficiency as a dead perk and replace trickshooter for surgical and id be set?

[flint garden]

and maybe mauler body double tap with a single crit with flak

[dusk idol]

on zarona i think it still helps with non-crit one shots on flamers

[flint garden]

not really

[tall torrent]

zarona crits insanely often that I just don't care abt base headshot breakpoints

[flint garden]

flamers have too much hp to die to a non hit to the body and headshot is a oneshot regardless

[lofty lintel]

do i leave point blank as is and replace sprint efficiency or do i replace point blank for surgical??

[flint garden]

surgical is way better

[lofty lintel]

ok bet

[dusk idol]

i'd have to actually test it but it shouldn't be a big diff

and yes

[lofty lintel]

thanks

[dusk idol]

get surgical

[tall torrent]

21% crit chance from crit bonus roll
5% veteran innate
Weapon specialist 33%
Deadshot 25%

That’s already 84%

Plus surgical 1 stack of 10%

[dusk idol]

doesn't weapon specialist still give guaanteed crit or did they fix that?

[tall torrent]

Basically always crit

Guaranteed crit on the first shot

Extends to first crit chain if applicable

[jagged geode]

buy it?

[bright cliff]

rampage shred is a strong base blessing combo if you dont already have a good horde clear weapon on this class

you would need to do very little to this to make it quite good

[tall torrent]

Usable

[dusk idol]

for vet you'd probably want to replace shred with wrath and weak spot to flak

[bright cliff]

and iirc shredder is like the only stat that matters on chainswords now anyway so 79% is p good

[dusk idol]

the new chainsword only uses lights to clear hordes

[bright cliff]

idk if that changes anything about what I said I dont use chainswords

they just tell me that shredder is the important stat

[hybrid path]

Just buy it. What does it cost, like 20k dockets max?

[dusk idol]

that's melks shop

[bright cliff]

3270 marks isnt bad at all

[brazen bay]

probs already been answered but is there any reward or something of that nature for killing any of the karnak brothers?

[dapper vessel]

Boys and gals. How we feelin bout this shovel

[dusk idol]

a sense of accomplishment

[brazen bay]

because if not you know what would be cool? Getting their skins for the power sword and plasmagun

just saying

[dusk idol]

ambivalent

[bright cliff]

you get to live

[bright cliff]

thrust is good limbsplitter is mid

[brazen bay]

Jokes on you have chaxe with 20% movement blessing my jukes are the key to survival

[scenic bronze]

Didn't they say they wanted to keep movement speed to talents not blessings

[spare mountain]

found Camo vet's favorite weapon

[serene bough]

i dont like limbsplitter

[atomic zephyr]

drawing this weapon magically turns your feet into cinderblocks

[tardy plaza]

That doesn't look like a columnus

That is what I'd tie to the shoes of a guy I was whacking for the mob

b4 I throw him into the river

[spare mountain]

Space Marine in full armor body checking the Vet

Vet doesn't move an inch

[atomic zephyr]

too powerful

[spare mountain]

"What, I don't move to rez my teammates during the finale. You think I'd move for you?"

[frank ether]

thats %5 too high

[slender turtle]

So nothing about melee weapons, which catachan's sword is pretty leaned on right now?

[normal oriole]

Any advice on what I should swap out?

[tardy plaza]

the blessings

getting hot and uh

i forget the other one

blaze away

[normal oriole]

Do I want +Flak?

[tardy plaza]

you want gets hot and blaze away more than the perks

[normal oriole]

Thanks!

[trim raft]

was told the opposite earlier lol

[bright cliff]

can confirm this works btw. no clue how safe this is but yk

[terse idol]

You should also test if you can one shot dredge gunners on damnation

That's always my suggestion

[terse idol]

Uhhh, so I mean okay if we want to get down to it

Plasmagun perks aren't bad

I mean blessings

But the perks are more important imo, BECAUSE you need to meet breakpoints

[bright cliff]

remind me what the plasmagun blessings is other than gets hot?

[normal oriole]

Yeah I couldn't one shot gunners with that gun

[terse idol]

Blaze it

[bright cliff]

I just found a really shitty one with shattering impact and blaze away

[terse idol]

Yeah then you need unarmoured

[terse idol]

Because you need to be able to one shot headshot dredge gunners

With an uncharged shot

It makes it much smoother

[tardy plaza]

wtf

[normal oriole]

why dreg and not scab gunners?

[tardy plaza]

you should not need that perk to one shot gunners

[terse idol]

Personally swap out elites if you can't make the breakpoint, swap out SI for Blaze it

And you got a good one

[terse idol]

You should be able to one shot scab gunners

[normal oriole]

maybe i didn't test vs headshots brb

[terse idol]

Dredge gunners have 1400 hp

[bright cliff]

catachan 4 has a great overhead as its first heavy attack but a lot of vet players choose the dc2 because it has two horizontal heavies and they can turn off their brains during horde clear

[terse idol]

Scap gunners have 1200

I had an instance where I was 100 damage off one shooting dredge gunners

[stark saddle]

Goddamit

[terse idol]

That's why that breakpoint is so important

[stark saddle]

Why does the ammo have to be the dumpstat

[terse idol]

Because if you cannot one shot headshot dredge gunners, that means you need to use another shot

[bright cliff]

use it anyway and just complain about it all the time 🙂 works for me

[terse idol]

That means, less ammo, and over kill

Wasted damage

[stark saddle]

that gun is missing 60 ammo from the maxcount

thats like 20 shots rip

[bright cliff]

so are we not supposed to use shattering impact on plasma guns then?

[terse idol]

I mean some folks said it's okay

Usually it seems like you should be able to meet a breakpoint to one shot crushers in the head

[bright cliff]

karnak jumpscare

[terse idol]

With a charged shot

[hallow moat]

@bright cliff scared the shit outta me

[terse idol]

Or 3-4 shot them, and then you get value from blaze it

Which increases your overall damage on other shots

SI in theory only helps you have more damage vs crushers, it has rending right?

[normal oriole]

hmm i don't headshot either gunner with my build

[tender rose]

its usless for plasma, as far as I can remember

[normal oriole]

does 1042 damage on headshot

[terse idol]

Hmm, get that one talent for +elite damage

Can yoooou

One shot headshot ragers?

With + maniac?

[normal oriole]

lol nope 1604 damage

[terse idol]

Hmm

[normal oriole]

prolly cause my build right now is straight down the middle

i can 1 shot em if I tag them

[mint oar]

which is better, bolter or plasma gun?

[terse idol]

You should have the + monstrosities.... and you should try to get the + damage on elites on the left

[crude ermine]

Plasma

[mint oar]

how so?

[crude ermine]

Infinite (about 100 or more) pierce, great damage

[terse idol]

That might be optimal... I don't remeber off the top of my head

[crude ermine]

Good ammo and ya won't be running out

[terse idol]

I'd need to test on my own tonight

[flint garden]

bolter swap speed is so clunky

[mint oar]

you're more experienced, you choose, bolter or plasma

[terse idol]

Pgun

(B)lasma

Luna is good too wdym

Right now honestly Pgun does everything bolter does but it has more damage, more ammo

A higher clip

[lofty lintel]

NO

OUT OF MEMORY CRASH BUG RIGHT AS I WAS FINISHING AN AURIC MAELSTROM

NONONONONO

[terse idol]

[lofty lintel]

FUCK NO

[normal oriole]

with + 30% weakspot perk and +elite perk i'm doing ~1360 damage to dreg gunner

[bright cliff]

just download more ram dude

[lofty lintel]

its not my ram

[bright cliff]

[lofty lintel]

its the game

[terse idol]

And you can one shot scab right?

Mhmm, that's the break point

You need unarmoured

You're off 40 damage

I was off 100 damage

Then I took weakpoint talent because I already had unarmoured

But you got the highest damage + stopping power

[normal oriole]

yeah with all those perks and the tagging perk i can one shot them

[terse idol]

Yeah but like ahhh

Ideally you can one shot them without tag imo

[normal oriole]

feels bad to take unarmored lol

[terse idol]

I mean

That's the cut off with plasma guns

Its tough

[flint garden]

redirect fire

trust

[terse idol]

You might be able to make it with spam pinging gunners on 1 or 2 stacks of focus

But that's why that breakpoint is so important

[celest vine]

With unarmored on an MG1A, can you one hit bodyshot dreg stalkers?

[gentle cradle]

trying to get the make every shot count penance, can anyone help? tips are appreciated. ive been using the shotgun with 55 ammo and waiting for assassination missions...

[quasi socket]

can try to make a coordinated group for it in the lfg channels, another option is smelter mission, letting team hold out while you spend ammo

[flint garden]

can do charged plasma

use unalerted patrols and monstrosities to waste ammo

[gentle cradle]

i dont have a mic so i cant find a group

[terse idol]

Just take a revolver

Hope your team doesn't have survivalist

Don't take survivalist

And uh make every shot count early then run 0 on ammo the entire mission

[gentle cradle]

ive tried this multiple times but ill either shoot when the enemy is killed by someone else or a teammate will run in front of me and absorb my shot

[terse idol]

That's the sad part

[terse idol]

Just gotta play... (I would say play on damnation because the teams are smarter) and do your best
Or LFG in darktide discord and I'm sure someone will help you even if you don't have a mic

Just say what you're doing

[flint garden]

you have the whole mission to do it. if two monstrosities spawn thats like almost all your ammo you can dump into them unless the randos are good

[gentle cradle]

thats true, ill keep trying then

[quasi socket]

stay stroing, you'll get it

[gentle cradle]

a smelter mission literally just popped up

i should wait for the horde at the end?

[quasi socket]

yeah

[gentle cradle]

sweet thanks

[quasi socket]

or spend down to last few shots for end horde

[terse idol]

You should try to run out of ammo before you reach the end imo

Yeah

[quasi socket]

on way to elevator

[gentle cradle]

aight

[flint garden]

you can shoot random unalerted enemies

just make sure your team isnt looking at them

[frank ether]

Idk what to do with this

I guess these blessings are not too ideal

[terse idol]

I thought ruthless would be okay, is it not?

[frank ether]

hmm.. probably not that bad

given knife mobility I can dodge dance around carapace targets

though its just bugging me that

I spent a bunch of ordo

and the best high roll I got has 71 damage on it

rolling a good knife is hard

also there are better blessings I think

[merry oak]

The deal is you have to stab them in the back

[atomic zephyr]

spy tf2 cosplay

[frank ether]

nah I dont really like relying on back hits with melee

with raking fire its different

when in melee range I dont like having to rely on that

I think infested/maniac is fine

[frank ether]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-tf2-spy-tf2-correct-spy-tf2-correct-gif-15580627066749528135

[terse idol]

[slender turtle]

>knife
Shit can it

[frank ether]

this one has some ok cleave on heavies

I just need the right blessings

knife is better on vet than zealot btw

[hollow cloak]

Infiltration melee vet #1

[wet anvil]

Help I built an infiltration vet and I don’t wanna stop using it

[hollow cloak]

So don't stop

[forest blaze]

Infiltration stans rise up

I’ve recently converted to smokes too

[wet anvil]

I don’t know what smokes really do since I’m too close to enemies basically all the time

[forest blaze]

Basically the enemies blind fire to where they saw you last

So you throw smokes and run around in the smokes

[coarse lion]

To hinder your sight 🤣

[midnight mortar]

Treated as a LOS blocker.

Gunners will fire at your last known location.

[forest blaze]

I like them.

[lofty lintel]

power cycler sunder or power cycler brutal momentum?

[midnight mortar]

The latter.

BM > Sunder.

[drifting oak]

shovel gang

[gentle cradle]

missed one shot out of 63 and didnt get it...

i feel like its 100% and not 90

[lofty lintel]

alr done, whats the go to perk for PS?

[drifting oak]

brutal momentum if you think you're hot shit and can reliably hit heads
Slaughterer if you just want consistentcy

[forest blaze]

Brutal momentum for Chads

Slaughterer for virgins

[drifting oak]

Slaughterer makes kill the odd rager/mauler/mutie/curhser in a horde much faster

[midnight mortar]

Maniac, Flak, Carapace, are all viable common options.

[drifting oak]

but if you get in a situation where you're kiting a crusher pack it does nothing

and then BM is much better because of the faster "combo kill" on single crushers

[quasi socket]

stay strong, try again

[midnight mortar]

BM is more economical in general use because bruisers no longer eat up your cleave.

[drifting oak]

like people are all about how you can go powersword light and chop a bunch of heads, but like they die any way to the heavy and if there's mixed elites in there the slaughterer buff will go further against maulers, crushers, bulwarks, muties

[midnight mortar]

And also provides extra weak spot damage for general use.

The value of BM is in the fact hit mass no longer eats your cleave. You can apply more of your energized damage more effectively.

Regardless of mixed horde contents.

[forest blaze]

This

You can energized cleave through basically anything

[drifting oak]

as long as there's trash to initiall get a headshot on, but like

[forest blaze]

It’ll be fine

[drifting oak]

very often you go chop chop and then it's a bunch of elites standing in what used to be horde

[trim raft]

should I but the one on the left?

[drifting oak]

with melkbucks? absolutely not

[forest blaze]

Melk money

[trim raft]

I JUST WANT A NEW SHOVEL

[drifting oak]

save melkbucks for level 4 blessings to add to library or weapons that are instantly fixable to godroll

[trim raft]

[thick rose]

did the patch fix the ghosty plasma shots?

[forest blaze]

Noop

still ghostly

[thick rose]

holyfatshark

[forest blaze]

It’s annoying af

[spark helm]

At least it still hits stuff

Breaks the flow hard tho

[terse idol]

Its okay because yeah

Yeagh...

The charge rate bug was tied to sound and visuals

So weird

[spark helm]

First time it happened it was actually during some wild ass momentum I had when we were pressed. Damn near shit my brains out my ears. It worked but I felt my heart skip lol

[quaint valve]

I know this is bad perks/blessings, but melk be selling those pretty looking stats.

[terse idol]

finesse dump

Skip

🥹

[quaint valve]

i know but those four 80% make it so tempting. 😆

[terse idol]

Right?!

Melk whyyyy

[quaint valve]

Torture really, just to torture us

[stark saddle]

id buy it for the sole purpose of speedrunning

but its not an actual weapon lol

just a movement tool

[south prairie]

Mobility go YEEEEEEE

[vagrant zodiac]

Go this repeated tagging sound thing is only from the veteran keystone right? I have tag on my lmb and it's been spamming like crazy

[midnight mortar]

binding tagging to LMB

Begone.

[sharp ember]

yes, it's from the keystone

[dapper vessel]

Anyone that binds their tag to LMB deserves the votekick

🙂

[vagrant zodiac]

Fair enough, I just really suck with tagging stuff so it was suggested to me

[dapper vessel]

Dont ever listen to that person ever again

Rebind it back to Default which is T(?)

or Q

[quasi socket]

middle mouse

[crude ermine]

Had that happen in an auric previously

[vagrant zodiac]

I'm using it on plasma too so it tags over and over again

Had to figure out what was happening

[dapper vessel]

Or whichever key that you can reach easily with your fingers

[crude ermine]

He kept pinging a fucking barrel

What did the barrel do

[vagrant zodiac]

It was nice looking barrel

Guess it's back to middle mouse button we go

[patent valley]

so uh...

i purchased this cuz i wanna see what it'll turn into

since mobility is a dump stat and it has 5% crit chance as a starter perk

[vagrant zodiac]

Didn't need it anyways

[patent valley]

and uhh..

end result

[celest vine]

I like crit chance

Very nice to have on deadshot guns

But melee

Here especially

No

[patent valley]

lol

[patent valley]

this shxt's added to my meme collection now ig

[sharp ember]

mobility is a "dump" but less than 50% is actually bad for you, you're losing dodge limit size

[patent valley]

low ass mobility

[patent valley]

ye ik

[rancid shale]

Anyone know if Shattering impact is worthwhile on the plasma gun?

[sharp ember]

devastating strike

[celest vine]

I have one too

[patent valley]

ez switch mate

[patent valley]

wheeze

stopping power is a hell nah for me

even if its a meme weapon

[dapper vessel]

no

[celest vine]

I would actually use it if mobility and stopping power were swapped

Use it on a left keystone build

[dapper vessel]

By the time SI applies its brittleness against enemies. You already pretty much killed that enemy. Making SI redundant

[terse idol]

Honestly almost sounds like the equivalent of someone pinging a gold in DRG

[rancid shale]

Thanks

[terse idol]

[patent valley]

its pretty much only useful vs crushers

[left comet]

what melee would you guys say is the best?

[patent valley]

or monstrosities, since brittle and rending slightly increases your dmg vs unyielding

[frank ether]

crit chance not the worst thing

[dapper vessel]

A very niche case, considering its the Plasma still. And you can 1 shot Crushers without needing the bonus of SI

[celest vine]

Overall a power sword

with cycler 4

[frank ether]

depends on what you want out of it

[celest vine]

Other wise chainsword is good

[patent valley]

nah, too slow vs crushers

[frank ether]

if you dont care about mobility powersword is good

[patent valley]

counterpoint, krak is not a melee weapon

[celest vine]

You gotta wisely chose blitz to combo off your other weapons

[celest vine]

It kind of is

[patent valley]

i grab the combat axe

[celest vine]

You hit the crusher for 1 point of damage then have insane damage over time

[patent valley]

i forgot the name

but its the best combat axe rn after brutal momentum changes

ah rashad combat axe

rn i can almost 3 shot crushers with 3 heavy attacks

the heavies also stagger crushers

can even stagger them out of overhead if timed right

so basically it has everything

[celest vine]

Limbsplitter mk3 shovel can one hit crushers

[patent valley]

waiting for limbsplitter too slow

[celest vine]

Which is very funny to me

[patent valley]

rather just use thrust

[celest vine]

Who says you cant have thrust

Crown the daemonhost

[patent valley]

just saying thrust > limbsplitter

[celest vine]

Have both

[patent valley]

but then again, limbsplitter still kinda slow

before, u just gotta not atk a bit

which was way faster than 3.5 seconds

[celest vine]

To set up the Mk3 special attack is long enough where limbsplitter is back up

[dapper vessel]

I use both Thrust and Limbsplitter

on the Mk3. Limbsplitter allows you to 1 shot a Mutant with a light weakspot hit

[patent valley]

its not just long enough, its too long

[celest vine]

Not sure boss damage

[patent valley]

same goes to other shovel

[celest vine]

Its the best single target melee damage in the game

That has value

Well on veteran

Thunderhammer go boosh

[patent valley]

thammer and ogryn shovel

yes

[stoic mantle]

Gang, I'm looking for a build to do the executioner's stance penances on, is this ok? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a74fcb9-e4da-428c-92a1-d09ea2256ba8/fuplaayz-plasma-patch-15

[patent valley]

is the headshot while in exe stance one?

or keep exe stance active?

[stoic mantle]

keep active, and elites in exe stance

Find your targets and Be methodical

[patent valley]

infantry lasgun + exe stance with relentless and counter fire

[stoic mantle]

but muh plasma

[patent valley]

too slow

• u could end up taking away all of your targets

u want to delay between kills if u wanna keep it up longer

the duration refreshes, not increase, so u'll just overlap it if u kill too much too fast

either with a lasgun or a autogun

[stoic mantle]

noted, ill see what I can do about getting an infant lasgun

[patent valley]

revolvers work too but u might need reload talents

[forest blaze]

Plasma and exec combo I don’t care for. Lasgun or autogun all the way

[patent valley]

man wants penances

[frigid lichen]

I used the agira headshot single shot rifle, it's pretty awesome for it

[patent valley]

but yea, overall not really a plasma enjoyer

[stoic mantle]

I'm def a plasma enjoyer

[forest blaze]

Plasma is bae but not with exec

[stoic mantle]

As soon as I get the penances I'm going back to that squad leader build

Cause that shit is busted AF

[patent valley]

plasma just slow in my opinion, plus im not that kind of delete everything guy when i play vet

i prefer to be in the thick of things, bathing in blood

with plasma gun, i dont get to savor it as much

[forest blaze]

I do plasma and chainaxe. In the thick as the blood god intended

I mean

[patent valley]

i have normal axe or shovel

with bleed nades

cuz more blood

[forest blaze]

Bleed nades great

[patent valley]

indeed

smoke nades however

[forest blaze]

I’ve recently switched to smoke nades

[patent valley]

i aint snoop dog

i'd use it more if they make it put out fire

[forest blaze]

They’re great in QP with bad or slow teams

[patent valley]

but rn it doesnt serve too much purpose outside of gunner hordes

[brave scarab]

is volatile for plasma any good?

[forest blaze]

It’s ok. The ones you want are gets hot and blaze away

[patent valley]

personally im more of a get hot kinda guy

so volatile, not really synergizing well

[forest blaze]

Plasma doesn’t live and die off its blessings so you’ll survive

I used a volatile gets hot for forever

[stoic mantle]

On an unrelated note

Why is the veteran krieg skin the only one without a fitted trench coat

Psyker and zealot are both fitted and look good

veteran just looks pudgy

[patent valley]

idk, he ate one too many heretics

[stoic mantle]

That's the ogryn!

[patent valley]

ogryn ate two too many

[terse idol]

They okay, if you don't have a psyker with a bubble/wall

[patent valley]

depends on how you use them

idk how it exactly works, i just assume it blocks vision for gunners

do u need to be in the smoke for it to work?

cuz if so its hurting more than helping

especially in higher difficulties where disablers are constantly spawning

cant see shxt

if i can throw the smoke nades AT gunners, and have them be unable to shoot while in the smoke, sure, why not

but rn, i just see everyone throwing nades on ourselves

there have yet to be a situation where we smoked ourselves and get fked from disablers, but imo its only cuz there's so little people playing smoke

only saw like 4 of them in total

and i mean in total as in after the talent tree update, i only ever saw 4 people playing smoke nades until now

[forest blaze]

Smokes are good for specific situations. Usually it’s slow comps and bad spawns in low cover areas

[patent valley]

too specific

[quick moth]

That's why you wear the tank top and camo pants! Veteran gets that retired special forces look down alright.

[patent valley]

and it sabotages your team more than help them in most cases

[patent valley]

im still waiting for someone to answer this

like i'd rather blind gunners by throwing smoke at them, rather than blind gunners by being in smoke

[slender turtle]

Man. The aurdamns squad I meet have that one vet that only plays vet. And they know the secrets to machine gunning plasma and being fast with it

[quick moth]

About to play some aur damn, but I'm guessing the game is gonna be pretty snooze easy now that fire isn't a threat any more. Gotta stop running the meta revolver builds, I guess.

[patent valley]

they'd at least have perfect plasma to hit all the right breakpoints

if not its just slow and a huge waste of ammo

[slender turtle]

why stop?

[patent valley]

the amount of people i see using plasma just to clear single gunners in quickplay is too much

[quick moth]

I mean it's fun, but it's like shooting fish in a barrel after a while lol

[forest blaze]

In QP it happens all the time

[lofty lintel]

auric damnation got pretty easy yeah

[patent valley]

see it happens cuz u have bad players imo

[forest blaze]

The QP dream

[patent valley]

mhm

[forest blaze]

Only bad players in AD/AM

[lofty lintel]

i mean tbh i think the game itself is difficult we just inevitably get better at the game as we play

[quick moth]

Aur damn with lights out is sweet though and I want more of that

[patent valley]

im the vet in qp, i kill the gunners myself

[lofty lintel]

and therefore the game becomes easier and now that fire isnt that dangerous anymore its even easier

[patent valley]

i dont even need smoke

[stoic mantle]

or all chocochip

[lofty lintel]

i enjoy auric maelstrom with lights out shock troop and hunting grounds

lot of adrenaline

[patent valley]

i hate lights out,

[lofty lintel]

i used to hate it but i got a liking for it

[patent valley]

first time playing it, crushers were facing away from us, so couldnt see their red eyes

[quick moth]

I like the suspense and L4D vibes

[lofty lintel]

its fun and it forces you to develop a good habit which is tagging priority targets

[patent valley]

until they turned around when we got too close

since then everyone's just spam pinging

[slender turtle]

It's a skill ceiling weapon for sure but the ones who know it, they make good work of it and never run out of ammo

[north raptor]

so what do the smoke grenades ACTUALLY do

please help me understand

[lofty lintel]

nothing theyre a griefing tool

they block line of sight for your teammates

[patent valley]

its not that much of a skill ceiling weapon than it is an expensive or rng weapon since u want one as close to perfection as possible

[north raptor]

i get that but i also want to know the answer

[lofty lintel]

that is quite literally the answer

[north raptor]

on enemies

[lofty lintel]

blocks line of sight for enemies and teammates

[north raptor]

which does?

[lofty lintel]

so the benefit is zero

the smoke grenade bro

[north raptor]

christ

[patent valley]

its a smoke grenade, it creates a smoke screen

[north raptor]

WHAT DOES BLOCKING LINE OF SIGHT CHANGE IN ENEMY BEHAVIOR

[patent valley]

blinds enemy gunners

so they dont shoot

[lofty lintel]

i just told you bro

[patent valley]

doesnt help vs melee

[lofty lintel]

blocking line of sight=cant see

cant see= cant shoot

[north raptor]

why not throw the smoke grenade on ranged enemeis then

[patent valley]

misleading as blocking line of sight can also mean "invisibility/stealth"

[lofty lintel]

i guess

[patent valley]

i've asked this question, but idk if it actually works or not

[north raptor]

😦

[lofty lintel]

its very niche it can work if you use it like that but youre wasting tremendous utility missing shredder frags/krak grenades

[patent valley]

my question of "whether or not smoke only works if u're in it" has yet to be answered

and likely never will

[lofty lintel]

no

it doesnt work

because you cant see either

no benefit at all

[north raptor]

not my question mateo

[patent valley]

i mean does it blind gunners only if u're in the smoke

[lofty lintel]

it blinds gunners regardless

its a portable vent purge

[patent valley]

then basically u only throw it at enemies

[patent valley]

vent purge

[lofty lintel]

yea

thats what i meant mb

[serene bough]

smokes have their value

[patent valley]

but yea, dont like it very much

[north raptor]

does it prevent specials from firing like snipers and trappers and flamers?

[serene bough]

being able to throw at a cluster and prevent enemies from firing is helpful

[patent valley]

possibly

i would assume as long as they are not melee

[serene bough]

snipers can see through, shotgunners will run in, gunners will fire where they last saw you, ranged common will retreat

[patent valley]

it'd work

[lofty lintel]

no

[serene bough]

im not sure about trappers and flamers

[patent valley]

well that's just terrible

[lofty lintel]

this

which is why its so bad

[patent valley]

smoke is sounding worse by the second

[lofty lintel]

enemies can see you cant

lmao

[north raptor]

you didnt even know that mateo

you had 0 answers just an opinion

thanks hugz

[serene bough]

np

[patent valley]

blud's just too busy venting to explain, chill

but yea, smoke is terrible

[serene bough]

smokes arent awful actually, especially for certain rooms where gunner spam really eats you alive

[patent valley]

it'll never beat good positioning, ever

[serene bough]

first defend area in the carnival comes to mind

[patent valley]

again, good positioning

[lofty lintel]

its only good in really open areas where the smoke actually works as a smoke screen

[patent valley]

i swear lotta people in carnival first area, just overcomplicates it

[dusty bluff]

Will it protect you if you throw it in yourself for a hack?

[lofty lintel]

ranged will only shoot if outside the smoke bubble

[serene bough]

sure but sometimes you get caught out or flanked

[patent valley]

stay on the left corner, u'd fk shotgunners as they enter

and u'd fk specials that come from the right side instantly

[serene bough]

i prefer kraks but once in a while i whip out the smokes

[patent valley]

u still have room to move, and have pillars to use as cover

[lofty lintel]

ragers maulers and crushers ignore the smoke screen, hounds flamers trappers and poxbursters actually wont attack you if theyre INSIDE the smoke screen with you

any ranged ignores the smoke as soon as they enter the bubble

[patent valley]

gunner's spawn at the front left corner, which is on the completely opposite side of u, giving u plenty of room for cover

[lofty lintel]

and snipers straight up dont give a fuck

[patent valley]

anyone that would suggest smokes for the 1st area of carnival, doesnt understand the map completely

[dusty bluff]

Ah okay. Thanks for the info

[lofty lintel]

so it has a VERY niche situation where it would work which is if you were swarmed by hounds or there was a flamer that for some reason you cant kill

which does happen from time to time

[terse idol]

its actually not that bad

[lofty lintel]

but then you have frags which do the same job but better and they are versatile

[terse idol]

Well

In theory smokes can help with hacks

In a pinch

Means gunners can't hit you

[lofty lintel]

i wouldnt bring it but its something you can tame

but the reward for practicing it isnt worth it

[patent valley]

imo, it'll never beat good positioning and having good mechanics

its too little value

[lofty lintel]

it just wont beat any of the other 2 grenades

[patent valley]

for too big of a potential drawback

[lofty lintel]

which bring immense utility in most if not all situations

[north raptor]

ok thank you

[lofty lintel]

yup

sorry for giving a bone headed answer earlier

[terse idol]

Well okay, if you drop it ontop of yourself

[lofty lintel]

i shouldve explained in detail why it sucks

[terse idol]

You will beat the LoS disadvantage

Yeess its very niche

[lofty lintel]

the thing that seals the deal is that snipers completely ignore it

[terse idol]

And situational

But its there

[astral blade]

Ugh well I’m ticked off in the time that I had left to play the Karnak twins event I did not once encounter them

[patent valley]

there's 2 situations

[terse idol]

Probably could use a buff

[lofty lintel]

maybe mark enemies inside the smoke? so at least the line of sight issue is solved

no clue how they could buff smokes without making it unbalanced

[terse idol]

That'd be okay

[patent valley]

u drop it on gunners and they potentially just walk out and shoot again, or u drop it on urself, and blind yourself but remain unshot at

[terse idol]

I mean

The biggest change smoke could receive

Make it so snipers can't see

Boom done

[lofty lintel]

drop it on gunners and they wont care

[astral blade]

Sooo chalk it up to bad luck I guess?

[lofty lintel]

you gotta calculate the bubble so theyre right outside of it and the smoke actually does its job

[terse idol]

They eo

They get confused

[lofty lintel]

momentarily and then they start shooting again

its pretty dumb

too many wacky interactions

[astral blade]

Huh smoke nades good?

[patent valley]

i never tested, but the key factor here is when they shoot, do they hit u at all

[patent valley]

uh, nah

[lofty lintel]

no not really

[patent valley]

we're debating its actual value, but we all unanimously agree that its definitely not the best

[lofty lintel]

yeah

its just subpar compared to the other 2 grenades, which would be FINE if it gave some type of value but it doesnt

[patent valley]

maybe @terse idol think its in an ok position, but im sure he wont bring it over every grenade

only based on its niche

[astral blade]

I mean if smokes actually did something proper added a gas effect to them

[lofty lintel]

i think it needs either a buff or a rework

[astral blade]

To dot enemies

[lofty lintel]

i think it would be cool if they replaced smokes for rad grenades

[patent valley]

maybe not dot, we have shred frags

[sharp ember]

oh hey we talking about smokes

[patent valley]

but if they make it a tear gas grenade that suppresses enemies in it, as like a psuedo stun

[sharp ember]

smokes are actually great at preventing flamers and trappers from shooting through a horde into you

[patent valley]

similar to stun storm, except its suppression so its more affective on gunners

[astral blade]

I didn’t finish

[patent valley]

proceed

i'll read either way

[sharp ember]

flamers will try to melee and trappers can only shoot at point-blank where you can melee them

[astral blade]

On top of the dot damage that smoke gas nade would provide it would still to what it currently does

[patent valley]

we all know how terrible it is to come face to face with pointblank trappers, especially around the corner

u could melee, but what about the horde?

[patent valley]

the current state where u have to throw grenades on urself most of the time is honestly just not the best

[sharp ember]

you melee those guys too

everybody gets THESE HANDS

[patent valley]

^ this is my suggestion since fire dmg is back to normal/nerfed

[lofty lintel]

yeah i think we can conclude on the fact that it has its niche but theyre just absolutely outclassed by skill and the other 2 grenades

[patent valley]

if fire dmg was the same, i'd want them to have smoke nades put out hostile fire

that would be great

[astral blade]

So I mean hordes that run through the smoke that would receive a debuff/dot and those hordes that run thorough the smoke would be heavily damaged or outright die

[lofty lintel]

they could make it so:
smoke grenades put out fire surfaces
they supress fire
mark enemies inside the smoke/behind it

cant think of anything else

[patent valley]

see if they get heavily dmged or outright died, people would rather have the frag that clears space for u too

[astral blade]

Eh frag nades are like a 1 pump chump

[patent valley]

suppressing gunners that are in the smoke nade until the nade fades would be much preferable imo

[lofty lintel]

also the smoke only has its niche if theres good teamplay behind it you can completely troll your team by blocking LoS

yeah

[astral blade]

As where smoke nades would remain around a while

[lofty lintel]

make it do what it says it does

blind enemies inside/behind it

thats all it needs

[patent valley]

that is true, but idk what i feel about having a LoS blocking version of the zealot fire nade

it'd probably be annoying but at least it has some value

[lofty lintel]

they could make it so theres some incentive to throwing a smoke on your team

like the psyker bubble regenerating toughness

[astral blade]

Hey blocks los for the enemy but not you and your allies

[lofty lintel]

maybe the smoke could combat stim you and make u do more dmg while inside or something

[patent valley]

it literally blinds us

[lofty lintel]

yep

one of the many reasons its not good

[astral blade]

I know but I’m saying a rework lol

[patent valley]

i mean, sure they could make it a not as thick smoke, but that'd make it look weird

[lofty lintel]

its just weird running a niche utility that hinders both sides, not to say it just mostly just hinders you and your team. thats all

[astral blade]

How about we just make the smoke nade a gas nade

[patent valley]

but honestly, i'd want them to make it wider, and have it suppress gunners for as long as they are in the smoke

[lofty lintel]

we already have shredder for dot

[patent valley]

well, then it'd wouldnt do what it still does

it'd just be a zealot molly

and not block enemy LoS

[astral blade]

I’m running out of ideas here

[lofty lintel]

rad grenades dude.

[patent valley]

well, ur idea is not bad, its just that we cant have everything in the world

[lofty lintel]

theyre badass, used by the inquisition, and could actually work

you throw a portable hiroshima at your enemies

[patent valley]

it cant be a dot, and block gunner LoS, and be gas that somehow only we can see through

[lofty lintel]

debuff nade maybe or better yet a BUFF nade

has anyone played remnant 2 here

[patent valley]

im honestly just trying to focus on its intention to block gunners

[lofty lintel]

if so look at the alchemist's vials

vet could do that

[astral blade]

What about giving vet a healing nade

[patent valley]

yes, true

[patent valley]

yea

think we're getting somewhere now

[lofty lintel]

maybe