veteran-class

[terse idol]

I don't remeber it being secondary fire

Can we get a screen shot 🥹

[exotic sandal]

Which shotgun

[ionic hull]

ive sniped snipers on consignment yard with the lawbringer shotty

[zealous wyvern]

during a single use of VVF, hit enemy sweak spots 3 times using a weapons secondary, without missing a shot

so in my opinion

[ionic hull]

Aprig now but Lawbringer is what i used

[zealous wyvern]

you need to ONLY hit weakspots 4 times in a row

no misses, no body shots

[mint oar]

what's the best mission for the penance

[zealous wyvern]

any

but listen

do you have the reset thing yet?

lets you ult for longer when you kill a marked target

if you are struggling with this penance, use that

it makes it easier

takes off the time pressure completely

[mint oar]

no

[ionic hull]

Relentless is the agument for VF that resets its duration

[zealous wyvern]

ok wait for that

dont try for it until then

[exotic sandal]

Is Kantrael the one with the slug round? That’s the only one I’ve tried

[zealous wyvern]

what level are you?

[mint oar]

what's the time reset thing called

11

[zealous wyvern]

11 is too low to get it i think

[ionic hull]

Aprig is Slug Kant is Fire and Lawbringer is the AoE line

[zealous wyvern]

you need executioner stance and the two augments for reset and marking shooters

[mint oar]

well what's it called

[zealous wyvern]

then you can get it easily

i dont remember

just read

its one of the nodes next to the big ability

[mint oar]

where's executioners stance

[zealous wyvern]

if youre ingame ofc

left side of the vet tree

big red

but you cant reach it yet i think

[exotic sandal]

Lawbringer seems like it could be useful for crowd control if there’s a lack of an ogryn with those wider shell arcs

[zealous wyvern]

you need to get that, get the 2 augments (reset and any shooter marking)

then get a singleshot weapon

precise

like vraks 7 headhunter or revolver

[ionic hull]

11 is enough for the ability but not the augments

[zealous wyvern]

yeah the augments are important

the ability doesnt do anything for this since its already the default for vet

but the reset augment helps SO MUCH

i remember i only got it 1 level before reaching the reset in old lvl system (29)

i was so mad

[mint oar]

im at executioners stance and i have 3 points, what do i get

[zealous wyvern]

oh nice

ok get the one that talks about marking all shooters

and get the one that says something about prolonging duration by 5 seconds

roughly

[ionic hull]

Counter-Fire and Relentless are the persk you want

[zealous wyvern]

that way, whenever you shoot anything highlighted for you, the ult keeps going for 5 seconds

so you have all the time in the world to aim

i doubt you will have trouble getting it within a mission now

[mint oar]

there's 3 of those

[zealous wyvern]

no

fu said their names though so just check for those names

counterfire and relentless

[zealous wyvern]

the other two augments are "now highlights ogryns" and "marks specials for your team"

which is not what i am talking about at all

[ionic hull]

really wish they baked either Counter-Fire or Relentless into VF

[zealous wyvern]

but yeah get a singleshot weapon

[zealous wyvern]

relentless should just be in it

damn thing is useless without that

[ionic hull]

i think Counter-fire owuld be better balanced but Relentless as you said is a must pick lmao

[mint oar]

okay i got the things, now what

[zealous wyvern]

and suppression immunity should be part of counterfire

[zealous wyvern]

now get a weapon that shoots one shot at a time

revolver, las pistol, vraks 7 headhunter rifle

[mint oar]

and then?

[zealous wyvern]

id be careful with normal lasguns honestly

well then you go into game and try for 4 headshots in a row

nothing to it

its a skillbased challenge from here on out

just know you have up to 5 seconds between each shot so with some practice youll do it im sure

[mint oar]

would a lucius lasgun work?

[zealous wyvern]

yeah

that works

[mint oar]

ok

[zealous wyvern]

good luck

[ionic hull]

any Semi Automantic weapon would work

[mint oar]

should i go on a single player mission?

[zealous wyvern]

except the burst mode ones

[ionic hull]

could in theory use a Boltgun or Plasma and get it lmao

[zealous wyvern]

and lasguns are a bit weird

they sometimes are really hard to aim with

i would think aoe makes it not work actually

singleplayer doesnt exist so no you will have to queue up

just relax, think of it as a thing for the next 2 missions but dont choke

youll get it

if you hyperfocus youll be super mad instantly

[mint oar]

should i go on a single player mission?

[ionic hull]

unload into a Beast lmao

[zealous wyvern]

cant

[zealous wyvern]

hmmmmmm good idea actually

i think thats how i got it on my second account

autogun into beasts back

not sure though

[visual orbit]

I think I got that one hitting a crusher several times in the face at close range

Unless it's the different headshots one

[ionic hull]

i got mine with an MG12 lasgun

kinda wish we could see when we got the penace

[tardy plaza]

so unless im mistaken

vet doesnt really have a perk to get toughness from ranged kills / shots ?

why the fuck does ogryn

[ionic hull]

Exhilerating Takedown

[zealous wyvern]

we do

the one who gives extra 3.5%

[ionic hull]

that too

[zealous wyvern]

exhil for headshot takedowns on anything

and ofc the one for killing elites

with anything tho

not just ranged

all vets toughness rec works on ranged is what im saying

[tardy plaza]

toughness for headshots isnt bad

[ionic hull]

Confirmed Kill

[zealous wyvern]

that

[ionic hull]

stilll wishing for Keystone buffs

[south spindle]

Keystones dont need a buff lmao

Ping is the easy to use, but weaker choice, Weap'Spec' is the middle tier one that requires between no effort and lots of effort depending on your weapon choices and Marksman's is one of the highest potential damage keystones in the game, but has a high skill floor

They're really decent an well designed all in

[tall torrent]

Exhilarating takedown is 15% per headshot kill with ranged weapon
Out for blood is 3.5% per kill (any kind)

[torpid fractal]

do we like headtaker on chainaxe? 🤔

[civic bay]

I feel like the biggest issue people seem to have with the Vet keystones is that none of them facilitate shooting 100% of the time

[umbral scaffold]

Good

[civic bay]

and it feels like Fatshark intentionally designed away from that

[umbral scaffold]

Even better

[tardy plaza]

Yet Ogryn gets to have a build where they can essentially 100% shoot

But the actual guardsman doesn't

[civic bay]

They don't though

[tardy plaza]

They do

I've played it

You do not need to melee if you build around your kickback

Especially if you happen to have a survivalist vet on your team

[civic bay]

It's unlimited with Vet but otherwise you still need to pick up ammo

[south spindle]

Its good, not as good as Slaughterer, but good

[tardy plaza]

It's not hard to maintain your ammo with the kickback through the whole match through little pickups

[south spindle]

Well he does

Thats what Marksman's is

[civic bay]

btw I'm in favor of not encouraging people to shoot 100% of the time

[south spindle]

If you can hit heads, you really dont need to run about in melee all that much because with a smart build and good positioning, you can delete pretty much everything for stupid little ammo costs

[tardy plaza]

I don't mind having to melee, I just feel like I'm getting constantly fucked while I'm in ranged

[civic bay]

I think two camps that are unhappy are the shooty shooty camp and the rapidfire weapon camp (because none of the passives especially benefit them)

[south spindle]

Except they do

[umbral scaffold]

Malice vets be like "omg I can't believe they give us so many enemies to shoot at, I keep firing at the horde and my ammo can't sustain it"

[south spindle]

People are unhappy because the DPS ranged Keystone isnt idiot-friendly

Which is dumb

[tardy plaza]

Ammo is never really the issue

Idk why people seem to complain about it so much

I never run out

[terse idol]

Hmm, I think the ultimates themselves just lend themselves to make your own playstyle,
I play exec stance with a columnus, focus is tough though because I rather use focus target

[civic bay]

because you probably don't randomly spray into hordes

[terse idol]

What gun do you use

And do you run survivalist

[civic bay]

easiest way to not run out of ammo xD

[south spindle]

You dont need to, it takes FIVE headshot kills to cap Marksman's with 15 stacks, if you cant do that, why you playing the damn ranged class

[terse idol]

Well, with a columnus I do sometimes spray into a horde

Its just that max ammo is so high

Survivalist will pay back what I used

[lofty lintel]

salvageable if i get t4 pc and replace stam?

[tardy plaza]

columnus and no

[south spindle]

Its a PSword, perks are mostly meaningless in all honesty so yeah do that

[lofty lintel]

bet

[civic bay]

I actually like what they did with Marksman's so you won't see me disagreeing there aha

[tardy plaza]

Only if I run with my survivalist buddy

[civic bay]

I don't use it because tag is more my playstyle

[terse idol]

Well ywah I mean columnus is ammo efficient

[south spindle]

Both Sunder and BM are good, Sunder will let you cleave Carapace, BM will delete horde, Sunder isnt weak vs Horde, but BM wont cleave Crusher

[civic bay]

Something like Plasma tends to bleed even if you're picky with targets

*bleed ammo

[terse idol]

Hmm

Deoends

If you have your breakpoints sorted out

one shot left clicks on gunners

[south spindle]

Plasma is very ammo efficient considering its killing potential

[terse idol]

You can actually be pretty well off on ammo for most of the run

Yeah, it can also be ammo inefficient if you use right click alot

which you should be careful how many right clicks you're using and on what targets

[south spindle]

Yep, you really need to know your breakpoints and when to and when not to charge shot

[civic bay]

Yeah, I still don't run out of ammo with plasma

I just run out a little more

as in it actually goes down instead of being near full like with infantry lasguns or such lol

[south spindle]

Tbh nowdays i rate Shotgun and BAG on Vet the most, BAG's have so much ammo you can afford to spunk it into a horde in a desperate situation and Shotgun can kill an elite and like 30 poxies for the cost of one shell

IAGs are super good too

[civic bay]

Using Lawbringer?

[south spindle]

Also.. Boltgun, because Boltgun

Nah, im using Kantreal because frontliner melee build an i dont have to ADS

Just run into the shit an start hacking off limbs, if something nasty crops up, Manstopper it through the horde, ez claps

[civic bay]

Are you using the no respite / scattershot build? Or flechette

[terse idol]

I am trying the lawbringer on weapon spec and it's kinda spicy

[hollow ibex]

Man stopper doesn’t exist to me

[south spindle]

Manstopper/FireFrenzy

[civic bay]

oh completely different

[hollow ibex]

Have literally never seen that blessing in game

[sinful dawn]

For tagging enemies with focus target, is it recommended that I change the keybinds for tagging an enemy?

If so, what should I use?

[cloud leaf]

scroll up

[south spindle]

Fire Frenzy keeps its stacks when you swap, so long as you swap back to the gun in the timeframe the blessing would be active you retain stacks, so you can chop, shoot, chop, shoot an keep your damage up for long periods whilst also getting the guaranteed crit from Manstopper

[civic bay]

putting it on scroll wheel is pretty smart, yeah

I wouldn't bind it to LMB

[quaint valve]

So i kinda wish the MK7 shovel special attack was easier to aim like the MK3, Not sure why it has to be this side angle attack

[civic bay]

it's both too spammy and you lose control over the stack placement

[cloud leaf]

putting tag on scroll wheel up changed everything

[zealous wyvern]

the problem with marksman is that the damage is useless

on the guns i play

[sinful dawn]

Ty!

[south spindle]

Idk about that

[zealous wyvern]

i dont need more headshot dmg

i already oneshot everything pretty much

[south spindle]

Every gun benifits from it in at least some ways, but weapons that have good finesse stats benifit the most

Boltgun, Recon Las, Inf' Lasguns, Laspistol etc

[zealous wyvern]

i have yet to find a weapon where it didnt feel useless to me

[south spindle]

HHs too

[zealous wyvern]

but im not that good

so i dont think my own experience means a lot

i just dont see how its useful

[civic bay]

it's a tricky passive

[south spindle]

It hinges almost entirely on your ability to hit consistent headshots

[civic bay]

you have to land headshots to turn it on and headshots to benefit from it

[zealous wyvern]

i do hit a lot of headshots

since ive only been playing vet since launch

[civic bay]

the consistency that mud mentioned is also kinda key

[zealous wyvern]

and this game is 80% of my videogaming for the past year

i headshot a lot

[south spindle]

Thats all you need to do for it to benifit massively

[zealous wyvern]

i guess it might be good for killing reapers

[south spindle]

You can even run about hip-firing a Laspistol, which i was super skeptical about, but actually works super fuckin well

[zealous wyvern]

flamers and gunners sometimes

but against everything else

theyre already oneshots

i dont need the stacks

[gentle garnet]

tsk everythings nice cept the ammo

[zealous wyvern]

and crushers are weird to headshot and i usually am better off throwing a nade anyway

[south spindle]

What gun?

[hollow ibex]

I feel like server hit reg is trash

[south spindle]

It can be yeah

[zealous wyvern]

helbore, vraks 7, revolver, bolter, plasma i think

are the ones i had with marksman

oh and kantrael 12

[hollow ibex]

Usually prefer just running melee keystone

[zealous wyvern]

all of them oneshot most things on headshots

[south spindle]

Bolter benifits a huge amount from it, because finesse effects crits, as for Vraks + XII

[quaint valve]

Id probably still take the first one for the better damage and stopping power stats. Depends on what else it rolls of course

[zealous wyvern]

so you get crit chance from it?

[shrewd lagoon]

I found the same thing to be true

[south spindle]

No, Crit damage

[shrewd lagoon]

Not worth the points. It's easy to keep up when it matters but the benefits aren't worth it

[south spindle]

But meaningful crit damage, unlike the perk

[zealous wyvern]

oh

right

[gentle garnet]

cant upgrade cause poor plasteel smh

[zealous wyvern]

so headshot dmg and crit dmg

[south spindle]

Like with Boltgun, i reach one shot breakpoint on everything except Crusher + Mutie, which are two taps

[zealous wyvern]

ok that is pretty good

i did not know it buffed crit dmg

thats important

[south spindle]

Yeah, its not made very clear how Finesse damage works

People sleep really hard on Marksmans

Its seriously strong

[shrewd lagoon]

I'm also a boltcel, post your build

[sharp ember]

you run camouflage?

[shrewd lagoon]

I'm afk ill post mine soon

[south spindle]

Nope, 15 stack

[sharp ember]

what the hell is a boltcel

[south spindle]

Can't right now, got a download on the go, but will do it when its done

[quaint valve]

Bolter + incel?

[shrewd lagoon]

It's a joke, but as vet I only use stance+ bolter

[south spindle]

I find Camoflauge to be a bit lackluster in all honesty, just aim, you dont need to worry about standing still all the time to get stacks

[lofty lintel]

auric maelstrom btw

[civic bay]

A lot of people focused on how the keystones "limit you" instead of the passive value they can provide for sorta doing things you want to be doing anyway

[south spindle]

Yeah... it do be like that

[civic bay]

LOL the fun knife build

death by a thousand cuts

[south spindle]

Oh good timing, DL is done

One moment

[shrewd lagoon]

Yes

[lofty lintel]

i asked because he had the typical knife zealot dirp

drip

and because he has no dmg at all

[terse idol]

I kinda swear by it now, it's about consistency on stacks at least for mee

[lofty lintel]

all he does is light attack everything

[south spindle]

It is consistent for sure, but given you're gonna be doming enemies anyway, like why stand still and limit yourself?

[terse idol]

Like the 15 max stacks is too difficult but having 1 stacks generation per, I have a little wiggle room

[civic bay]

hey, he'll do damage eventually

[shrewd lagoon]

Many such cases

[civic bay]

just need to slash them a few times and wait a few seconds looool

[shrewd lagoon]

I don't even ask/object to other players builds in game

[terse idol]

Because I'm at least getting stacks for standing still, and if I move a long distance I can at least maintain those stacks a little longer

That's the way I see it

[shrewd lagoon]

Often tomes they're additional difficultly modifiers xd

[terse idol]

[civic bay]

I do actually have a lacerate / flesh tearer knife, though I've only used it once or twice

really fun but the damage curve is lulz

[lofty lintel]

i did it as a joke

and it turned out to be true 😭

[south spindle]

@shrewd lagoon

No need for Deadshot because by letting the recoil fully reset between shots, you're stacking Surgical enough that you'll pretty much always be critting

[shrewd lagoon]

Lol we've got the same build, except I use the sprint cost reduction (useless) and the 20% reload talent at the top

[sharp ember]

DREG GUNNA

[shrewd lagoon]

Also above executioners stance, why not use the other option? 10% of the bolters mag is only 1.5 or 2

[south spindle]

Haha funny Boltgun delete

[empty heron]

omg

[south spindle]

Because extra ranged damage when enemies arent near you is basically never active, one is consistent and one is highly random and inconsistent

[sharp ember]

0/2 bricked perks and blessings

[empty heron]

wth did something happen in this new patch??

[sharp ember]

wild base stat numbers at least

[lofty lintel]

below 360 tho

still good

[sharp ember]

and below 50% mobility, missing a dodge

gonna get you killed

[empty heron]

ah

[shrewd lagoon]

No way it happens more than u think. Namely for reapers

[empty heron]

good call

[south spindle]

Its "no enemies" melee or not, they kill the buff

Its really not worth it

[shrewd lagoon]

Yea ik, are u always overrun?

[south spindle]

In Auric Maelstrom its so common i dont value extra ranged damage over greater crit chance after what is still a relatively long reload even with the perk

[shrewd lagoon]

I'm not really watching my status effects closely, but I find there are a good amount if times when there are no enemies within. 8 metrea

[sharp ember]

choosing between those 2 nodes when not running a crit build is such a pain

[shrewd lagoon]

I only play auric damnation

The other perk is more dmg if no enemies are near, not reload

[south spindle]

Exactly, the other gives crit chance for the first 10% of the mag, which is much more likely to give you a one shot kill in situations where you're being pushed and you need the extra boost

[empty heron]

Hm. Which one of these blessings would you swap for T4 dumdum?

[south spindle]

at range, i know its gonna one shot anyway, because i can safely pre-stack Surgical

[shrewd lagoon]

One (or two) shots with an extra crit chance? Ehh

Oh surgical

I use Shattering impact and pinning fire

[lofty lintel]

between the eyes imo

[south spindle]

Speedload imo

[empty heron]

tiebreaker anyone?

[south spindle]

Shattering is honestly kinda dogwater as it only applies after the first shot

[quaint valve]

Swap both

[south spindle]

Also Boltgun has really good ADMs

[empty heron]

I'd like flak for 1st perk though

[shrewd lagoon]

What is adm?

[sharp ember]

yeah i aint keeping Groaners on a laspistol

[south spindle]

Surgical will be stacked so high after letting the recoil reset that you can almost guarantee a crit

[south spindle]

Armour damage modifier

[shrewd lagoon]

Oh oops

[sharp ember]

would swap out Between The Eyes, laspistol isn't hamstrung by suppression sway imo

[shrewd lagoon]

Of course

[quaint valve]

yeah im kidding i dont know anything about las pistol. If its like the lasguns then yeah swap out speedload. I think it already reloads fast enough

[south spindle]

And being a finesse weapon, Boltgun benifits a LOT from crits

[shrewd lagoon]

I'm gonna try it

You've convinced me

[south spindle]

Plus there is a notable amount of Rending in the skill tree, so you dont need the extra from Shattering

Aye do it, it makes a huge difference

[shrewd lagoon]

More = gooder

[south spindle]

P'much 😄

Boltgun is honestly kinda disgusting at the moment, but its more OK to be so because it actually has a skill floor unlike some other options

[shrewd lagoon]

Yea lol

It's so clear to me that those who shit on it just got filtered

And sent to weenie hut jrs

[south spindle]

P'much yeah 😄

[shrewd lagoon]

Tfw have to aim

[sharp ember]

same deal with people who dislike helbore because they can't handle the equip speed imo

[ebon umbra]

dclaw users hate him

[shrewd lagoon]

Complaining about the equip speed on veteran is so rarted

[civic bay]

Does the rending passive (Ch1nk in their Armor) for Marksman's Focus work? I've seen reports that it didn't but never tested myself

[shrewd lagoon]

Ur gun is ur primary domers

[civic bay]

message was blocked lol

somehow kinda saw that coming

[ebon umbra]

five reasons why you are a indecisive piece of shit and why you should use the hellbore

[south spindle]

Honestly i dont like Hellbore just because i have to charge it up

[ebon umbra]

[south spindle]

Pass

I havent used it enough to notice

[civic bay]

hellbore is like the one gun that I just can't really use

[sharp ember]

it's only 10% rending, AND you need full stacks, not worth a point

[blazing horizon]

I have a friend who swears by the hellbore

[sharp ember]

middle path has 10% rending unconditionally

[civic bay]

the bayonet is nice but the iron sights are clunky, the uncharged shot is too weak, and charged shots don't feel beefy enough when I can just plasma or revolver

[blazing horizon]

Wish the mk3 melee was better

[south spindle]

Ehh, i can see it being worth it, because it could be 20% Rending

If you're keeping it stacked up anyway, its not a huge problem

[civic bay]

Might give Marksman's another shot but with shout instead of Exec Stance this time

[south spindle]

Hell though.. whats funny, is Recon las is kinda actually quite good with Marksman's and the Rending node would deffo be of benifit there

[civic bay]

doubling down on the shootiness didn't jive too well for me

[south spindle]

thats fair, it does mean you have to be a lot more careful in melee

[sharp ember]

i've yet to give rending recon another spin since the talent tree compression

but my rending graia brauto is funny to mow down shooters with

while still decently able to repel ragers

[south spindle]

Haha, Recon cant kill muties hahahaha

[civic bay]

For recon I usually try to go for Onslaught on the right side but not sure if that's ideal

[south spindle]

No it very much is ideal

You deffo want Onslaught on high RoF weapons

Graia BAG is another one

[quasi socket]

well i found the first onslaught i can slot into my actual gun

[civic bay]

I have one build with Survivalist and another without. Thanks to rework, the one without can actually go for Deadshot or Onslaught depending on weapon which feels great

[spark helm]

What's your experience with it? Thought about it before but I've been focusing on other weapons

[sharp ember]

really nice mk1 primed to refine though

[south spindle]

See the above picture 😄

[civic bay]

Too bad it doesn't work with DoT effects anymore haha

[spark helm]

I genuinely like Marksman's Focus.

[civic bay]

could probably have gotten some stupid Kantrael shenanigans there

[spark helm]

Ah

[quasi socket]

the 524 been in my bag for 2 days, the sacrificial blue is just to get onslaught slotted onto it til melk decided to drop one at a higher level

[south spindle]

Yeah.. its a lot better than people think it is, but again consistent headshots are the name of the game, IE; it has a skill floor that people dont like

[civic bay]

Marksman's headshot numbers are so silly

[south spindle]

They really are, and crit numbers

[spark helm]

Is there a falloff range? I'm used to being a madman and playing with in cqc with swapping

[civic bay]

They were like 50% higher than my right side build from quick tests, but less consistent and no guaranteed crit

But with Deadshot and the right blessings you get the crit right back

[south spindle]

There is yeah, it has normal falloff, but its not enough that you need to worry overly about it

[spark helm]

It works well at mid range for sure. I just never noticed where it mattered

[spark helm]

What you got for yours? Recon lasgun is just kind of always in melks pants for some reason for me.

The propaganda.

[south spindle]

Sadly no HH4, but still

good enuff

[spark helm]

Recon Las is also just functionally a hilarious sounding weapon

It's so violent and sudden

Hard piss gun

[south spindle]

Yeah 😄 an it feels gloriously cheap, which is kinda endearing 😂

[spark helm]

Honestly, it just sounds like the amped up sound of like, little kids that do that airplane noise shit. Like a beehive of em

[south spindle]

Lmao

[sharp ember]

i like the sound of mk2 the most

but its the m2

[spark helm]

The ragdolls are the best part.

Literally made some grunt like tomahawk up a wall

Bro hit the Lego flip

[sharp ember]

eh i should give it another spin, it’s not like it has less ammo than the mk6

[spark helm]

How many models for recon?

Just one right?

[sharp ember]

3

fast medium and heavy

[quasi socket]

time to start investing into shovels....krieg is calling

[spark helm]

You use this thing with lower tier blessings?

[sharp ember]

everyone only ever uses the fast one though

[quasi socket]

first target matter much on sapper shovel?>

[scarlet vessel]

damn if only i got these on a shovel with good stats, should I extract Thrust or Slaughterer?

[south spindle]

Well, T3/T4

Its the best roll i got at the moment, it would only get better with a more solid roll

[south spindle]

3, MKII is kinda ass, MKVIIa is kinda mid, MKVId is by far the best

MKVIIa can work for sure, but the VId is deffo the best one

[midnight crane]

what keystone do you grab for recon las?

[south spindle]

Marksman's Focus

Aim at heads, profit

[nimble sentinel]

piss cannon
does Atoma have a moon?

[south spindle]

Lmao, no idea

[nimble sentinel]

y'all wish you were this cozy

[hearty panther]

I don't think any keystone super works with the Recons

So basically use spotting.

[spark helm]

I meant more like after your own input are you having to fight with longer ttks. Is it passable

Brain is eh today

[south spindle]

Oh yeah, more than passable for sure

[spark helm]

Dope

[midnight crane]

marksman's kinda an outlier, by that I mean it has no recoil and has really good uptime on not letting stacks decay by just shooting

[south spindle]

Its a finesse based weapon, erefore, you take the finesse based Keystone

[spark helm]

You got a favored talent spread rn?

[south spindle]

@hearty panther

[south spindle]

Ye, i been running this, but someone mentioned the 10% rending node doesnt work, so if after further testing i find that to be the case, then i'll ditch it for summat else

[nimble sentinel]

afaik it's just a bug with the psykhanium

[south spindle]

Ahh gotcha, so yeah, keeping that then

But bear in mind @spark helm you're pretty fucking squishy with this setup, as you ideally wanna be running a couple stam curios to make the most out of Deadshot, so some careful plays are in order

You could ditch the MF rending node for IW ofc, but thats up to you, less damage for more suvivability isnt an unfair trade

[frozen meadow]

Yey did my 100 missions as vet and got the helmet

I was hoping for the one in the main menu to be earnable though

[hearty frigate]

I love shooting enemies in the hip with a boltgun and watching as it splits them in half and sends their upper body flying into the air with their hands waving

:>

[hearty panther]

Wacky Waving Quartered Arm Flailing Gibbed Man

[serene sage]

Based

[wary galleon]

The agripinaa MK1 infantry is actually really fucking good

[spark helm]

Oh this looks fun.

[mint oar]

Is marked for death supposed to be the hardest penance in the game?

[spark helm]

This'll be really fun.

Think a Columnus could get away with it?

[spark helm]

Which one is that again?

[mint oar]

4 headshots in a row during volley.

[spark helm]

Volley fire is...uh

(Never read it)

[mint oar]

Default special Veteran ability.

The thing you press F for.

[spark helm]

Oh, just 4 weakspot kills while in it?

What level are you?

[terse idol]

Just run a regular lasgun

What difficulty?

[mint oar]

11

[mint oar]

Any

[mint oar]

No 4 hits on a weakspot.

[terse idol]

With the secondary

[spark helm]

Oh I mean

[terse idol]

You did ask befoore, don't use a recon

[placid kelp]

did they nerf chainsword lights enough for people to start using their heavies for horde clear?

[mint oar]

Im not, im using the other one.

[flat dock]

Pretty sure no

[mint oar]

The lucious

[spark helm]

No shade or anything but yeah run semi-automatic weapons if you want it that badly and pace your shots. You can do this a lot longer on beefier targets by taking executioners stance + the modifier that highlights all ranged enemies.

[placid kelp]

oh, so you using lights to deal with non elite hordes?

[flat dock]

I don’t use chain swords but I didn’t see anything in patch notes

[spark helm]

You'll eventually get it @mint oar by also taking the modifier that extends the timer on executioner's stance, and a talent in the final non-keystone talent cluster in the middle tree.

You get cool down reduction on your ability for you or others in coherency on specialist kills I believe.

[midnight mortar]

No. The optimal pattern is still lights.

[spark helm]

Yeah they have to be specialists I think.

[mint oar]

yeah i already have all that

[midnight mortar]

Though the new chainsword variant isn't good at horde clear either way.

[spark helm]

Oh. Ug.

[mint oar]

it's been hours now and it's gotta be the hardest penance in the game bro

[spark helm]

Yeah just keep at it. Maybe not think about it.

[flat dock]

It’s easy to get it on accident on some later difficulties

[south spindle]

Ofc, but Columnus is actually fucking broken at the moment, sadly, which is actually kinda annoying because thats the bar everyone is judging everything else by

[midnight mortar]

You're level 11.

The game hasn't even started yet.

[spark helm]

Sounds weird but if anything just focus on playing with the build overall. No goal for the penance since the higher your difficulty encounter the easier its going to happen passively.

[midnight mortar]

Rather than focusing on a penance you don't have the tools to complete yet, focus on learning game skills and knowledge.

[spark helm]

No rush, don't think just do. If it matters that much to you, start getting used to beefier enemies and how they move for lining up easier consistent shots.

[quasi socket]

just focus on game play and not penances. they come naturally, get comfortable in the game and focus going up in difficulty and improvement. most of them happen naturally as you get better as a player.

[south spindle]

So much this, worry about penances when you've gotten the skills to reliably achieve them

[terse idol]

It shouldn't be that hard

Can you like screenshot the penance your doing?

[blazing horizon]

Wdym I'm not supposed to try for On Overwatch at level 3?

[spark helm]

I legit got all my mine by just happenstance @mint oar . When you're much better at handling yourself, the penances just go into a blur.

Running builds that happen to make use of those tools is a fun way to even teach yourself when maximize those opportunities.

Think zealot stun grenade kills while enemies are stunned penance. You're literally just going to do it naturally as. you get the chance to do it when it matters

[mint oar]

im just in this for the cool looking uniform

[quasi socket]

tbf, that one is hard as balls depending on map, but is invaluable at teaching dodge/block, movement, and positioning, or if you got that all down, your mastery on each.

[spark helm]

I guess hunt for a maelstrom with monstrosities and line up easy shots on a plague ogryn or something.

Or just shoot a crusher in the face.

[verbal horizon]

Beast of nurgle is easy mode for that penance

[mint oar]

What's a maelstrom

[mint oar]

Ik but they always go for me specifically for some reason

[blazing horizon]

[mint oar]

hardest penance in the game

completely serious

[flint garden]

sus

[verbal horizon]

its really the kind that you'll get without even trying so don't worry about it.

[mint oar]

but i want those pants

now

[brisk sapphire]

Skissue

[verbal horizon]

unlike dream team which is my current nightmare

[flat dock]

Btw guys what’s a good way to get the 90% acc with no ammo

[zealous wyvern]

plasma gun

dont bring the aura to refill your ammo obviously

youre g ood

thats all you need

literally

[brisk sapphire]

Nah revolver

[flat dock]

Cause I was thinking run a rev and then go melee after ammo runs out

[zealous wyvern]

you cant possibly miss more than 10%

[brisk sapphire]

Is the way

[zealous wyvern]

revolver works too but has more ammo

far more ammo

plasma has like 20 shots you need to hit and youre good

its easy as hell

charged shots take like a 10th of your ammo in one shot

[brisk sapphire]

Hmm guess you could plasma charge shots.

[flat dock]

@zealous wyvern thanks I didn’t know how the plasma gun worked

[zealous wyvern]

rightclick charges it up

[brisk sapphire]

The delay between input and fire may mess you up tho

[blazing horizon]

Revolver is easier bc its just point and click

[zealous wyvern]

hmmmmm that is true. use meatgrinder a bit

get used to plasma

otherwise its gonna be weird

[flint garden]

like just shoot at monstrosities, thick hordes, and random patrols your team isnt looking at

[zealous wyvern]

but still revolver has more shots

[brisk sapphire]

Plasma kinda buggy rn. Sometimes audio doesn't play, sometimes animations don't occur. It's a mess

[zealous wyvern]

and that is bad for this

[flat dock]

I’m thinking just go max diff and then just unload in horde and then SHOVEL

[zealous wyvern]

id recommend heresy

not low intensity

you dont get the challenge if the mission fails

[flat dock]

Actually I would go devils claw MK 4

[long shadow]

Hey, anybody got a bolter build? I've been wanting to run the weapon in some heresy missions

[crimson bloom]

Sheesh

[trim raft]

question, should I take this to max rank or try for something with better stats?

[copper pine]

Blessings don't make or break the plasma so it can still be usable, but the perks need to be changed

[terse idol]

That's pretty... bad
Well a bad start
You'll need to get at least blaze it
On the 2nd blessings

Michael's right

Infected is not good

Pretty good numbies

Would still use it

[trim raft]

the numbers were my main concern

[blazing horizon]

Can't roll a good plasma to save my karken life

[zealous wyvern]

that is hilarious

[copper pine]

Oh in terms of the numbers it's good

[crimson bloom]

STC Located

[trim raft]

fml

[copper pine]

Still usable if you change perks

[trim raft]

what would you recommend? I'm not sure on the best breakpoint perks

[atomic zephyr]

should i keep rolling this?

or is it fucked

[tall sleet]

I saw someone twoshot a monstrosity with krak grenades earlier today, you guys got any idea how I might achieve that? Mine usually do nowhere near thatmuch

[copper pine]

Flak, unarmored, or maniac is fine

[atomic zephyr]

stimms?

[tall sleet]

right

thats a thing

totally forgot already lol

[atomic zephyr]

dont blame you lol

[atomic zephyr]

nvm it got t4 hand cannon

y'know what sucks? this is on my psyker lol

[tall sleet]

pray for accountwide items

[atomic zephyr]

im not super broken up about it at least gunpsyker is interesting

[cloud leaf]

HEY GUYS this is the best veteran build of all time https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ad594fc-20bc-4e5b-ab47-ad1991742120/bestest-vet-build-ever youre welcome

[trim raft]

should I change both perks? or should I save a refine use for the blessings?

[copper pine]

Try testing with one perk in the meat grinder and see if you want to roll the second

Keep rerolling the one perk between to see if you hit any break points

[atomic zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/clone-clones-buzz-lightyear-toy-story-gif-21609842

[south spindle]

@spark helm one mag-dump vs plogryn with max MF stacks 😄

[mint oar]

I DID IT

[cloud leaf]

what are u talking about no one runs this build its completely unique

[mint oar]

I FINALLY GOT THE MARKED FOR DEATH PENANCE

[south spindle]

Eyy gg

[copper pine]

[lofty lintel]

that shi sucks

[cloud leaf]

wrong

[quasi socket]

whatever floats your goat dude

[mint oar]

how do i get premium currency?

[lofty lintel]

pretty self explanatory

[mint oar]

no it's not, how do i get it

[lofty lintel]

with real money

[muted prairie]

lads, i'm thinking of using an autogun to spice things up. what's the best auto/brauto?

[muted prairie]

yeah you just buy it from the cash shop

[lofty lintel]

like in every game that has premium currency

[lofty lintel]

columnus best iag and for the brauto u have graia which is solid but agripinaa is overall the best one

[quasi socket]

columnus iag has been scratchin my itch for a while

[lofty lintel]

columnus is disgustingly overtuned rn

so if you wanna enjoy it before it gets nerfed

[muted prairie]

thanks fellas, is that the one people call the "space ak"?

[quasi socket]

just initial kick needs to be countered

agripinaa is the space ak

[mint oar]

ew

[muted prairie]

i used to use that before the class overhaul

are brautos any good if you aren't running exe stance?

[lofty lintel]

yes

theyre very good

[quasi socket]

yeah, just tap with no ads

[muted prairie]

iiiiinteresting, thanks, i got me some testing to do

[lofty lintel]

brauto with weapons specialist build goes crazy

super fun

[torn gorge]

revolver and plasma are probably still the better option

[lofty lintel]

yes but it doesnt matter

[torn gorge]

unless they changed and now you get crit for the whole duration

[lofty lintel]

its still solid and auric approved

so

[slow spade]

Auric Heresy approved UwU

[muted prairie]

i love me plasma, but i thought i'd try out some different guns, see how they compare

[forest blaze]

I've been working with plasma + weapon specialist and it's been really good

[lofty lintel]

no..

[slow spade]

damn not even good enough for Auric heresy

[lofty lintel]

if thats the difficulty you play on no shame

[torn gorge]

infinite swap 1 tap never gets old with revolver tbh

[slow spade]

you heard it here UwU

[lofty lintel]

gotta start somewhere

[slow spade]

brauto for normal heresy and below only

[lofty lintel]

wrong

[slow spade]

oh sorry

[crude ermine]

Fuck it

Crank it to the max, the sky is the limit

[slow spade]

for Sedition only

low intensity Uprising maybe

[lofty lintel]

still wrong 🤒

[lofty lintel]

i agree i personally use the revolver on a wep specialist build

but anything goes

[verbal horizon]

I pretty much never swap off of las guns,

[torn gorge]

revolver is just good on anything that isnt staying on ranged weapon all the time tbh

[lofty lintel]

melee vet is just too insane

[slow spade]

100% uptime revolver when Fatshark?

[lofty lintel]

with auto reload revolver

better than zealot but thats my opinion

[serene bough]

Wouldn't say melee vet is better than zealot

In fact, im pretty sure zealot can smoke out vet in regards to melee dps in almost any instance

[quick moth]

Melee is absolutely better on Zealot no questions. An eviscerator just clears trash like nothing with light swings.

[slow spade]

melee is better on Veteran because he has a glowy sword

[nimble sentinel]

didnt someone try and argue that vet had the best melee and ogryn best ranged?

[slow spade]

shiny > non-shiny

literally that ez

[quick moth]

I used a Columnus for my Zealot because fire was so dangerous, but now I may just mostly melee with that class

[forest blaze]

had a really tough triple zealot + me on vet lobby this afternoon. 1 vet with flamer and 2 with autopistols.... they just ran forward and left my slow plasma wielding ass and then we would get ganked by infinishooters

[terse idol]

Oh I would check your breakpoints with your current talent points

Woops

Didn't reply

[quick moth]

You have to shoot with Zealot for sure too, but with the fire change I may get to actually melee vs unloading into every flamer/bomber/trapper

[terse idol]

I would check breakpoints with current talents, if you can't one shot a dredge gunner with left click I would personally suggest unarmoured

But maniac + something would be ideal imo

[shrewd lagoon]

the marksman free movement allowance goes away if you reload

[wise fossil]

Is there a breakpoint calculator?

[shrewd lagoon]

@south spindle

[shrewd lagoon]

juandeaguing mutants is nice tho

[south spindle]

Ye, but like, thats not an issue, you likely wont drop more than 3 stacks, which is one headshot kill

[shrewd lagoon]

im only in the meat grinder rn

[south spindle]

Aye go test in live

[shrewd lagoon]

im gonna notice the 5% slower reload

[south spindle]

When you do have to go into melee, 90% of threats are gonna be mist, so you aint gonna have too much to worry about

Ehhh, initially maybe, but you'll adjust easy enough

[shrewd lagoon]

such was always the case

Ive only used the bolter since getting it as vet

im 250 now xd

[south spindle]

Lmao, nice

At least you know how to handle it then which is always a huge plus

[shrewd lagoon]

i got lucky early on with a godroll and didnt change

I got it bnefore the first crafting change

[quick moth]

Does the new veteran shovel actually one shot crushers?

[south spindle]

Yep

[copper pine]

it can

[quick moth]

Hmm

[south spindle]

need a few specific skills, but yeah

[shrewd lagoon]

shartering impact

[south spindle]

Lucky bastard, i got my best roll in P-13 kek

Ahhh locked to Shattering

Sadge

[shrewd lagoon]

I want to switch one to reload speed

[south spindle]

time to roll a new one

Oh you got one nice

Swap to Flak + Elites honestly

with Reload talent you dont need the 10%

[shrewd lagoon]

no way, I want reload speed

im already losing 5% kek

[south spindle]

But consistent breakpoints tho

[halcyon zephyr]

ooh backend errors. I wonder which mod is causing this.

[south spindle]

thats serverside

nothing to do with mods

[shrewd lagoon]

I got some launch jank, disabled some mods and it worked

[south spindle]

Backend error is all Fatshark

Mods dont effect it

If you get a bunch of error messages after you're logged in, thats mods being fucked

[lofty lintel]

Yes

[south spindle]

For example

[halcyon zephyr]

Ooh I found out what mods were broken.
I updated DMF and overwrote my load_order text file

[south spindle]

Oh fuck... @shrewd lagoon If Hadron plays nice, this could be balla

[south spindle]

I doubt she will, but hey ho 😂

noice

[shrewd lagoon]

ambatakum

[south spindle]

Sadly, mine is on Zealot

[shrewd lagoon]

Sad!

I still use the bolter when I use the preacher subclass, but the draw speed is actually a problem as priest lol

[south spindle]

It really is

Horrendous infact

[shrewd lagoon]

I bring it if I suspect the vet isnt gonna cut it

[sharp ember]

does anyone know the distances on the Longshot talent off the top of their head? wondering if it got changed after close range blessings got changed to 8m

[bold aurora]

how tf this got a stock on it

shit

[shrewd lagoon]

it'

s a mod

also @south spindle whyd you choose For The Emperor over Born Leader?

[forest blaze]

for the emperor for that sweet sweet damage

[shrewd lagoon]

to doomp on beasts of nurgle?

it doesnt extend with stance

[south spindle]

Ah thats a misclick, menna be the suppression node

[shrewd lagoon]

this with iron will and kill confirmed is pretty nice I think

though I cant truly know how much it helps

[south spindle]

That one is absolute dogwater

[shrewd lagoon]

do they not get it if you're at max toughness?

[south spindle]

Nope

[shrewd lagoon]

[south spindle]

An even then, its still toss

[shrewd lagoon]

I assumed they did

no way

[mystic belfry]

It’s a little extra padding for teammates, but won’t mean much if you’re not giving them toughness in other ways too

They fixed that

[shrewd lagoon]

I have a trillion stacks of toughness over time cos of kill confirmed

[mystic belfry]

It works even if you’re full now

[shrewd lagoon]

that seems pretty good

vs 5 seconds of extra dmg? I assume we both try to perma ult lol

[mystic belfry]

The reason it’s good is because of the options you could take instead of it yeah

It’s not amazing but it’s actually something

[shrewd lagoon]

well if you're the squad leader or infiltrator then you need more dmg

[fleet garden]

so whats the concensus on bis melee wep for vet after a couple of days of new patch, still psword mk6?

[shrewd lagoon]

so it is a go od pick

the one that only does the cleaving heavy swing

lame but still the best I think

for what vet needs

[mystic belfry]

10% damage for five seconds

Much wow

That’s actually useless

[shrewd lagoon]

facetiousness?

[south spindle]

Personally, i would recommend new Chainsword or Chainaxe, Rashad or Antax combat axes are probably the statistcially best weapons tho

[sharp ember]

still the mk6, in a sweaty meta vacuum, or a BM combat axe optimized to get 1-hit headshots on bruisers

[mystic belfry]

I would say so, but it don’t think there’s a 100% factual best weapon

[shrewd lagoon]

what makes it better than the other power sword?

[sharp ember]

i would never discourage using other melee weapons though

[fleet garden]

ive tried most of them and its hard to let go of the psword

[shrewd lagoon]

it cleaves the tweaker hordes and shitter melee guys, stronger enemies are shot instead

[fleet garden]

havent used the antax mk5 that much though, maybe ill roll a good one

[mystic belfry]

Block canceling the charge, having a very good single target combo, and basically as good horde clear as mk3

[shrewd lagoon]

you cant block cancel the mk3?

[sharp ember]

the push attack combo is an anti-armor stab -> overhead, which melts crushers in 2-3 hits, probably 2 with carapace perk. It's the fastest melee way to dispatch a crusher besides limbsplitter thrust shovel spike

mk3 has only the one overhead, and it block cancels slower

Of course, both powerswords are still insane with meta loadout, mk6 just has that little extra stab

[mystic belfry]

Exactly

[shrewd lagoon]

im testing it now, I did not notice the difference in cancelling the activation with a block

[mystic belfry]

Mk3 does let you sprint with using charge, but it’s not a very crucial ability

[shrewd lagoon]

I dont often hit single targets with melee in situations where there is actually threats present

only dogs and mutants really

[fleet garden]

stab is pog when killing crushers

[shrewd lagoon]

I wish the block attack was another cleave lol

[unborn ridge]

guys what is the best build for revolver?

oneshotting crushers?

and which revolver?

[shrewd lagoon]

in my experience 95% of melee as vet is killing hordes or a few shitter enemies

well that number isnt accurate at all cos of dogs specifically

but I think the meaning is clear

the block cancel is notable though

I have died in the past cos of the difference in time

[warm idol]

when you are running a weapon that is shit vs carapace like a lasgun or autogun

[shrewd lagoon]

definately

[warm idol]

the mk6 is very useful

[shrewd lagoon]

as vet, I only use the bolterxd

[warm idol]

plus even on bolt or plasma

its handy to conserve ammo

[shrewd lagoon]

yea

[fleet garden]

columnus mk5 or bust

[sharp ember]

zarona is probably overall better still, because massive bullet cleave lets you kill 4 shotgunners in 1 shot, or kill a special through a horde. Blessings are Surgical + Handcannon

[warm idol]

im more of an agri man myself

[shrewd lagoon]

well if there are no threats I melee for that reason too,

[lusty jewel]

Best perks for Heavy Laspistol MK X?

[unborn ridge]

perks arent that important?

[shrewd lagoon]

but im removing those situations from consideration

[unborn ridge]

i like the agripina revolver but compared to zarona it deals a lot less dmg

[warm idol]

infernus dumdum prob

[bright cliff]

Hey friends, has anyone else been experiencing what feels like really high ping when fighting enemies since this update has come out? all my other programs display something like 6-15ms of ping so idk what's up with darktide. not a performance issue btw, computer reliably puts out 80+ frames on high settings.

[sharp ember]

Reload, Maniac, Carapace, Flak, pick what you like

[unborn ridge]

i cant

[lusty jewel]

Those are blessings, appreciate the info, but I was wondering perks

[mystic belfry]

Ps6 can pretty comfortably. Melee through any situation besides gunner firing squads, and with smoke you can melee that too

[unborn ridge]

anymore xd

[warm idol]

flak maniacs

[unborn ridge]

because of the 2 modification caps

[lusty jewel]

ty

[sharp ember]

you'll be fine, a crit bullet kills anything lesser than a mauler

[spark helm]

You can see em when they're available in the lobby matchmaking menu in the hub. Usually has modifiers to encounters that are cranked up regardless of difficulty.

[proper flame]

i think i god rolled guys

[shrewd lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/no-patrick-mayonnaise-isnot-an-instrument.-label-text-gif-1130707935483399762

no brunt, damage is not a dump stat

[sharp ember]

heavy af

[proper flame]

its just got a ball of lead welded to the handle

[umbral scaffold]

watching melk for a week straight give me absolutely nothing with a tier 4 blessing

[steep vault]

melk has been giving me garbage III blessings

[raw steppe]

they fixed this in latest patch

[steep vault]

I can only trust brunt's peddler

[raw steppe]

toughness overflow now works with born leader

[steep vault]

this man a real one for giving me 380s daily

[quasi socket]

brunt been hookin me up with some good base rolls in stock, just gotta play that patient game and hope hadron doesnt brick

[south spindle]

Ye someone said, still dogshit tho

[shrewd lagoon]

where do you even see brunt, I swear ive only ever seen the servitor

[umbral scaffold]

brunts more exciting to look forward to at this point compared to melk

i thought the servitor was brunt ngl

[shrewd lagoon]

same here

or theyre all brunt sort of thing

[muted knot]

I have never seen this man before in my life

[umbral scaffold]

we are all brunt here my friend

[terse idol]

Its not gooood

Consider the toughness that you gain

That's like 10

So, on like 1 melee kill you might give

1.5 toughness

[raw steppe]

damn my vet rolls the best shit

[terse idol]

IF EVEN

[raw steppe]

lmao

i can finally make my deadshot colum

[terse idol]

Also

With pgun toughness

Its 22% or whatever it is

Of your base toughness

So its like 20 toughness gained on elite kill

So you gave a wopping

3 toughness on 15%

Because base toughness is 100

And 15% of 20 is 3

😭

[raw steppe]

is it base toughness? i thought those talents were based on max toughness

[terse idol]

From what I've heard

Its based toughness

But I could be wrong

Max toughnes would be sweet

[hallow moat]

Good blessing combo for mk3 power sword?

[terse idol]

If I just stack 3 toughness curios

But it doesn't seem to be the case

Far as I know and heard here it's your base toughness of 100

[shrewd lagoon]

not melee

think of kill confirmed

[gaunt hinge]

woo fire damage nerfed

[terse idol]

Well it says all toughness gained you gain toughness in melee kills

[south garnet]

there was a win 11 update as well as an NVIDIA driver update today and whatever happened between the two, now my game is repeatedly crashing lol

[terse idol]

And like that's good

[shrewd lagoon]

no

[terse idol]

Yes

[raw steppe]

who are you hearing from lol

[terse idol]

Any toughness you regain

[raw steppe]

because I'm pretty sure

[terse idol]

Look back in the discord

[raw steppe]

link me

[terse idol]

Any toughness you regain

I can't rn

Look up "base toughness"

And you'll find eeet

[shrewd lagoon]

well if it grnats toughness even if you're maxed I think it's good

if it doesnt it's next to useless

[raw steppe]

i searched lol

[next spade]

is it me or are recon lasguns just worse autoguns? or do you need some special blessings for them to deal proper damage?

[shrewd lagoon]

simple as

[raw steppe]

he's talking about coherency regen

all the talent based regen

such as 5% toughness on melee kill, toughness on elite/special, toughness on headshot is based on your max toughness

[elder vessel]

Is Uncanny Good for Mk6 Knife?

[hollow ibex]

Not just you

[raw steppe]

coherency toughness is a flat value i believe, like 2/3.5/5 or something

[next spade]

so all lasguns in general kinda suck

[hollow ibex]

Pretty sure you just described the consensus lol

[hollow ibex]

Non recon are fine

[serene bough]

Lasguns good

[shrewd lagoon]

oh I see, I think hes right

[serene bough]

Just not recon

[south garnet]

toughness regen is what you get from coherency, toughness replen is whatever you get credited with between nodes and blessings and etc.

[raw steppe]

tbf all the talents in that tier are kinda bad

so just take whatever lmao

[shrewd lagoon]

yea I think so too lol

[eternal sable]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-gay-heavy-medic-kiss-gif-23550226

[south garnet]

these are the known definitions. whether anything coded as such is described as such or vice-versa is anyone's guess

[shrewd lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/sopranos-tony-soprano-funny-gif-5018786074331786569

[serene bough]

what are you doing

[south spindle]

Recon is good, people are just stupid and refuse to use the keystone that benifits it the most

[serene bough]

which keystone

marksman focus?

[raw steppe]

no lol

[shrewd lagoon]

the tagger one probably

[raw steppe]

toughness replen is also toughness regen

[sleek cairn]

hey arent u the local old man who keeps yelling at kids

[raw steppe]

the 10% toughness replen (from vet? psyker? idk) and the ogryn nodes that give like 25% are all toughness regen

[south garnet]

yes. that's what it is and it's literally from the ogryn pins.

[shrewd lagoon]

ngl lads i dont care about whatever toughness regen argument is going on but does Born Leader grant toughness to teammates if you are full toughness? I want to confirm

[south garnet]

please stop trying to get into arguments with me

lol

[raw steppe]

nobody is trying to get into arguments with you bro

you're not that important

lmao

[sleek cairn]

u have touched on peak vet chat

[south spindle]

First one is one mag vs Plogryn, second is self-explanatory

[cloud leaf]

this is the best veteran build if u disagree ur objectively wrong https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ad594fc-20bc-4e5b-ab47-ad1991742120/bestest-vet-build-ever?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[south spindle]

Sorry who are you?

[south garnet]

I have no issue with vet chat in particular. I do take issue with Dis though

[south spindle]

Oh wait wrong one, sec

[sleek cairn]

im one of them kids who doesnt use recon

[shrewd lagoon]

erm, personal tech support group chat please answer my question

[raw steppe]

if you're gonna be a bitch i'm just gonna block u lol

[south spindle]

This one

[sleek cairn]

mud keeps whispering in my ear to use recon

[raw steppe]

im not gonna engage trolls

[sleek cairn]

i can't sleep at night

[serene bough]

which recon is htis

[south spindle]

MKVId

[brave scarab]

volatile for plasma?

[serene bough]

i see

[south garnet]

that's fine, more power to you

[south spindle]

The good one

[next spade]

what do I need to do to make the infantry lasguns good, which blessings?

[serene bough]

share build pls

i will try it later this evening

[south spindle]

Sec

[next spade]

ok the damage is very good on the lasgun but I suppose nothing fixes the janky scope and recoil

[south spindle]

Not even a world-breaking roll

[serene bough]

ok thank you

[south spindle]

Its decent, but could be way better with higher damage stat an better perk/blessing

[serene bough]

ill give recon a stab one more time

[shrewd lagoon]

lol I also call it the piss cannon

hivemind

[jaunty herald]

Question: does Full Bore affect the slug round on the Mk VII shotgun?

[shrewd lagoon]

sorry sweatie the tech support has to answer my question first

[south spindle]

So long as you're consistent with headshot kills, it shreds, an with no extension on Ult nodes, you can proc it end over end because of the amount of specialists about nowdays and proc all the red nodes repeatedly

[shrewd lagoon]

halp

[gaunt hinge]

Fixed an issue with the Cadia Mk XIIIg Assault Chainsword where the Impact inflicted by activated sawing attacks was lower than intended.

[cloud leaf]

yes

[brave scarab]

is volatile for plasma good?

[shrewd lagoon]

Thanks

[south spindle]

It does, it was fixed, i was mistaken earlier, but its still dogshit

[shrewd lagoon]

no u

xd

5 sec of extra dmg on ult

good for doomping beasts

[south spindle]

If you wanna take a team-based node, covering fire is better, and a straight up upgrade, but sadly, its also pretty bad outside of niche circumstances

[brave scarab]

also what blessings/perks on revolver

[atomic zephyr]

which one

[shrewd lagoon]

idk how good born leader is in the numbers, but the idea of it seemsgood xd

[next spade]

I think I got lucky there, nothing changed yet

[south spindle]

The idea is good, but 15% of any that you get.. less so, with CK for example, they get 1.5% toughness back when you initially kill something

[shrewd lagoon]

• a gorillion

wtf

multiplied by elite and specialist kills

[brave scarab]

what to change on this