veteran-class

[trail knot]

it's so stupid though, you reset your stacks to 1

doing less dmg

[placid portal]

Ye wtf

Also earrape

[dusk idol]

asserting dominance on the enemy

and your allies

[sly haven]

yes

[crisp bronze]

I haven't tried the Mk7 but I've heard it's pretty good. Horde clear is Heavy 1>Light 2 and it has a single target combo with Push Attack>Light that the other 2 don't have.

[placid portal]

Damn

Fire frenzy only gives 10% dmg modifier only close range vs 6% power for every range on close range kill
Both stacks iirc 5 times

Fire frenzy is good on braced autos due to higher mag size and dependant on larger dmg modifiers to make up for nonexistent weakpoint dmg.

[crisp bronze]

If only the Braced Autoguns could get Dumdum...

[placid portal]

Lol that would be an auto lockon blessing

[quasi socket]

1 more mission then sleep. gonna try to find a group for damn tomorrow

[crisp bronze]

The Braced Autoguns have a blessing combo that's underrated in my opinion. Full utility with Stripped Down and Terrifying Barrage. Sprint at the groups of shooters/gunners while immune and kill one to insta suppress the rest in an 8m radius. I find it pretty fun.

Keep killing and they will never get to shoot.

[placid portal]

Sounds like a nice combo

Makes it harder to shoot shooters if you are trying to shoot suddenly suppressed enemies for teammates

But a good idea nonetheless

[sly haven]

people that alert the demonhost should be marked for the rest of the team so we can vote kick if we want

[placid portal]

Lmao

[sly haven]

you know what the fuck it does if you're playing damnation

[placid portal]

We will know when she starts mauling them

[sly haven]

everyone on damnation knows the fuckin cue

[ebon umbra]

help

i beg you

[placid portal]

Usually can kill it 2 times out of 5

[crisp bronze]

Terrifying Barrage is one of my favorite "utility" blessings in the whole game tbh. Instant suppression in an 8m radius on any close range kill is pretty good. I can't remember off the top of my head but I think certain specials like Flamers/Trappers can be suppressed so it can stun them too.

[placid portal]

14dps

[ebon umbra]

wrong image

kek

1 second

HELP ME

SOMEONE

I AM LOSING MY MIND

https://tenor.com/view/essp-enderblitz-galahad-slumber-party-why-isnt-it-possible-gif-25649259

[broken spade]

not a fan of terrifying barrage personally, unless it's on a weapon that just doesn't have other good blessings in general

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-boulder-gif-2070033727135676437

[broken spade]

ranged kills already have a bit of suppression

[placid portal]

"+25% suppression"

[crisp bronze]

When the Damage is fractional but the displayed numbers are not moment:

[ebon umbra]

thank you

i have been messing around hard with break points and this keeps happening

this one was easy to test

[crisp bronze]

Which is why I like it on the Braced Autoguns because Deathspitter is enough damage for me so I take either Stripped Down or Terrifying Barrage for the utility.

[sly haven]

when does close range damage booster on gun kick in, what range?>

[placid portal]

8 meters

[crisp bronze]

No idea. I've never tested. I'm sure someone has.

[placid portal]

Pretty damn close ngl

[sly haven]

i wish there was a rangefinder mod lol

[crude ermine]

Breathing distance of ta nurglees breaths

[placid portal]

Mark enemies they show range

[crisp bronze]

8m is also the range where the bonus damage from the Longshot talent becomes 0.

[placid portal]

[sly haven]

so if i wanted an all ranger kind of iag, graia right

with deathspitter and dumdum?

[atomic zephyr]

agrippina is also all ranger

[placid portal]

Agripinaa is alright too

[atomic zephyr]

no im not paid off by forge world agrippina

:)

[sly haven]

i dont like the slow rof

[placid portal]

Infact I argue that argipinaa weapons are one of the best weapon munifactorums

[placid portal]

Dont have to their product tells enough to buy them

[sly haven]

game wont give me anything good from end of mission or melk so no agri for me till i finish grinding graia lol

[placid portal]

Agripinaa shotty? Based
Agripinaa Autogun? Based
Agripinaa revolver? Yeeeee Haaaaaw
Agripinaa Headhunter? Buffed and good

[crisp bronze]

I think Agripinaa is the "All Rounder", Columnus is the "Death Ray", and Graia is simply "One of the Guns in Darktide". I don't see people talk about it. Granted same goes for the Agripinaa I guess. Columnus is just good right now.

[placid portal]

Agripina is not an allrounder these mfs put extra punch compared to any weapons

[sly haven]

agri has extra punch?

[placid portal]

Highest damage on iags braced autos

Shotgun too if loading slugs

Ez 1k per slugshot

[sly haven]

i just want an iag thats good god damn it

[placid portal]

They all are imo

Graia got more stability
Columnus got dakka
Agripinaa got the punch

[crisp bronze]

Best one is Columnus. I'm biased though. I don't think I've ever used the others lol.

[placid portal]

Just gotta get used to columnus's initial recoil jump and after that it's stablr

[tame lichen]

I think anything but Revolver is weak for vet

full stop

maybe plasma

[crisp bronze]

Best to think of the Columnus as the closest thing to an SMG in Darktide. Big mag, lower damage, high fire rate, shorter range.

[placid portal]

Lmao when columnus is a better smg than shredder

[hardy ember]

Need hot shot lasguns please

[tame lichen]

I just want a true sniper

[crisp bronze]

This is bait. Columnus with Onslaught? Vraks Mk7 Marksman build? This is like calling every other melee weak when the Power Sword 6 exists. They aren't weak they just got different strengths.

[tame lichen]

I unironica;y agree with the last part

[atomic zephyr]

ok nvm i dont like lawbringer shotgun

back to agrippina

[tame lichen]

Perfect horde clear, PS3 or 6 with cycler 4. Perfect 1 tap special enemy damage revolver

simple life

[patent orchid]

question hypnotically if you know nothing about 40k is it wrong

[tame lichen]

[crisp bronze]

The new Mk7 Shovel was the melee to get my Power Sword out of my hands for once. The mobility, stagger, and oneshots on specials/elites are amazing.

[placid portal]

Not a weapon for everyone

[tame lichen]

Ive probably gotten tunnel vision overtime with Vet. I dont trust any other weapon at this point for my playstyle

so ignore me

[atomic zephyr]

find cool agrippina shotgun build online
uses smoke grenade and sprint speed aura

sigh

fuck it i probably dont need the keystone anyway

[crisp bronze]

And I think the new Revolver has replaced the old one for me. At somepoint it "clicked" and I can't stop using it.

[atomic zephyr]

apparently this isnt very efficient

[astral blade]

well i've switched from infiltrate to exe stance

infiltrate cd is far to long for my liking

[placid portal]

Tru

[crisp bronze]

Survivalist into Infiltrate is pretty expensive...

[atomic zephyr]

yeah....

think im gonna have to drop my beloved ammo regen

[quasi socket]

emperor forgot to leave the gift receipt

[placid portal]

I wish you dont lose stealth after hitting something with krack

So i can do the planting frag mine pickpocketing

[crisp bronze]

@atomic zephyr What melee are you using? Depending on how confident you are in your own skill you could take Shredder Frags instead of Kraks if your melee can handle the armor.

[quasi socket]

i think we're cooking, but i need to sleep. may hadron bless yall

[atomic zephyr]

i was planning on new chainaxe, which seems to mulch carapace pretty good

[astral blade]

this is what i'm using now thoughts?

[atomic zephyr]

yeah it looks like a special heavy with more than one stack of thrust will oneshot a crusher

[placid portal]

Quite salvagable

[placid portal]

New chainaxe is alright

[atomic zephyr]

i like it for the heavies

[quasi socket]

i need big money for onslaught, havent gotten it yet

[crisp bronze]

Try taking shredders then. It'll save a point and honestly Kraks are my least used nade on Veteran. Even less than smokes. A krak at most kills 2 maybe 3 crushers but 1 or 2 shredders staggers the whole group and brings them to half hp. They're also useful against ragers and other groups, not just heavy armor. They're more versatile.

[atomic zephyr]

fair

i like shredder :)

ohh, still expensive going from shredder to infiltrate though

[astral blade]

any changes i could make to improve it?

[atomic zephyr]

actually, i should have enough points...

[astral blade]

weapon that going along with this build

[patent orchid]

glitchy

[astral blade]

also yes i finally have come to understand that the keystones are weak as all hell

[tall torrent]

What weapon

[astral blade]

dis one

[astral blade]

vraks 7

[tall torrent]

What are the breakpoints for

[abstract moth]

Guys has anyone here played rogue trader?

[astral blade]

ok what are breakpoints exactly?

[crisp bronze]

After using both Weapon Specialist and Marksman's Focus (haven't really tried Focussed Fire yet) I think Veterans keystones are pretty good. They are genuinely powerful and change up the gameplay they just require leaning into them. I'm a very close range oriented player but I tried out the Marksmen's Focus playstyle earlier today (with a Boltgun of all things) and enjoyed it enough I made it one of my dedicated loadouts. I think the Vet keystones are fine.

[astral blade]

being meaning to ask for a while

[abstract moth]

Also when using power sword all you do is heavies plus powered heavies?

[placid portal]

Focus target is based

[tall torrent]

Specific dmg values that help u kill important targets in less hits

[south garnet]

I totally understand having a bad round, or trying out a new build or loadout and falling flat on your face, but I've noticed more and more pubs in my server circulation who I see again in a match later the same evening, or another day completely, and they've changed... nothing. Absolutely nothing. And still come across like toddlers who found their way into rugby matches

I don't understand that part

[placid portal]

Lol

Tenacity is mankind's strengtj

[south garnet]

[astral blade]

ok do you mean the ability modifer?

[versed merlin]

thats where the block ability becomes handy

[abstract moth]

I think the most useful one is the middle one, the right one is completely useless imo, they could've done something different

[tall torrent]

What breakpoints does that build get

Cuz I feel like u sacrificed a ton of stuff

And made smth that didn’t play into the strength of vraks7

[astral blade]

ogryn levels of stupid pls

[crisp bronze]

With Power Sword 6 it's just light spam. Power up>light1>light2>light3>repeat. That's your horde clear. For single targets you use either a powered light or if they're a bit tougher (elites and specials) it's Power up>push attack>light4. With a proper setup that 2 hit combo can kill a Crusher.

[tall torrent]

Idk how much more I can dumb it down

[spark helm]

Fatshark should make dodge use stamina.

[tall torrent]

Essentially @astral blade what are you trying to go for in that build

2 tap crushers? Or smth?

[spark helm]

lol fuck

[astral blade]

just tryna clear out specials and range units

[spark helm]

That'd be a bit much probably without anything else making that the move.

[tall torrent]

If that’s the goal I don’t think you need any of the ability modifiers

[astral blade]

i mean it doesn't hurt to have more damage

[tall torrent]

Vraks7 already hits 1 shot kills on most enemies

[abstract moth]

Ah okay thanks, no cuz I've tried but it felt a lot heavy mostly because I'm using more quick weapons, so far I found d claw to be the most versatile

[static lily]

was the prior firerate on the mk II lazpistol 5.0?

[astral blade]

dont think my vraks 7 is set up properly than

[tall torrent]

Dealing 2600 dmg to a Dreg gunner achieves the exact same thing as dealing 1400 damage, you’re just building in a way that wastes that additional 1200 dmg when you could have gotten more valuable talents out of the tree

[placid portal]

2600means i 2 tap reapas

[abstract moth]

I mean I don't get why they made dodge useless after a bit, that was a new tweak right? Like I don't remember it 5 or 4 months ago or maybe I'm wrong

[exotic sandal]

Looking for help with getting the On Overwatch penance anyone available

[tall torrent]

Pretty sure vraks7 already very consistently 2 taps reapers

The general build is deadshot + surgical I think

[unreal bone]

Why can't we just get this helmet.

[placid portal]

Ok

[unreal bone]

Why

[tall torrent]

To maximize crit chance

[unreal bone]

why can't we have a red fucking helmet on zealot

to go with our Mars camo militarum battlegear.

Veteran*

Not zealot

[fleet thicket]

whats the build

on plasma again/

[crisp bronze]

As a melee vet Weapon Specialist is amazing with the Zarona Revolver and Plasma Gun. Also works for the shotguns and maybe stretching it but I can see the Boltgun working too. It rewards having fast reactions in the middle of a horde and being able to backdodge>swap>kill special/elite with guarenteed crit>swap>get back to the fight. All that in less than 2 seconds. It's awesome when you get a feel for it.

[fleet thicket]

is thermal resistance the dump stat?

[unreal bone]

I think the dump stat depends on your blessing choice and playstyle tbh.

[spark helm]

Dodge count has been a feature since the Vermintide days. My guess is to have it as a barrier to differentiate the feel and flow of different weapons without trivializing consequences and/or creating stress for decision making for better dodge count weapons (especially with larger ranges).

[unreal bone]

I run Volatile Gets Hot so like.. I think having low charge rate is a decent dump stat for my pgun

cause volatile gives charge rate back.

[spark helm]

As far as anything relevant to Darktide, I'm pretty sure the only thing I remember reading was mostly dodge changes in the positive for most weapons.

[placid portal]

Revolver nerf is hard but still 2 taps

[crisp bronze]

Weapon Specialist is what truly makes Veterans the fastest hands on Tertium and makes it rewarding too!

[spark helm]

I know you get better dodge properties with melee weapons, but I don't know if there's anything like very brief invulnerability, but you're mostly just "breaking" the path of where a swing is supposed to make contact.

Luckily blocking is a 360 thing.

[placid portal]

Prefer focus bc i like extra dmg and stsmina for dead shooty

[placid portal]

That do sound fun

[terse idol]

I mean to be fair

There are like universal dump stats

Mobi

Kinda weird

[astral blade]

ok so i've modifed my build a little bit being able to now 2 tap reapers when my ability is active

[spark helm]

You also have tracking melee attacks from enemies down to grunts. Long reaching and deep lunges also just extend the range. From vermintide, those were typically thrusts from spears and polearms.

[abstract moth]

I mean not really imo, I either go melee or range not swapping every 2 seconds, if I swap quickly is just to kill specials or elite but that's consequential to the situation is not guaranteed to happened every time I can see the use with small magazine gun but still swapping every 2 seconds

[spark helm]

And lunging swings from horizontal stuffs.

[placid portal]

Ngl 5% crit perk is based on agripinaa revolver

[unreal bone]

Imagine bro..

I wish they would give us more of this shit.

[abstract moth]

Alright that I don't remember at all, on vermintide you could dodge all you want as long you had space and no enemies were hindering you, characters even say voice lines if you dodge too much

[unreal bone]

Instead fartshart gives us the ugliest fucking reskins under the sun.

"Ah yes lets make a Catachan guerilla fighter skin.. But include NO CAMOFLAUGE ON IT AT ALL FOR OUR GUERILLA JUNGLE FIGHTER"

[tall torrent]

Not a fan of red painted armor personally
Model is cool tho

[unreal bone]

I like it cause it's Mars camo.

[unreal bone]

But there are Cadian green variants.

[tall torrent]

That one barely looks Cadian

[unreal bone]

Not this one

[tall torrent]

Ik the green one

Doesn’t look quite the same as Cadian armor

[crisp bronze]

I got it on mine right now lol. I don't know the breakpoints so I just built it with Crucian Roulette and Handcannon plus Deadshot talent and 5% crit perk for maximum crit. It's worked well for me so far.

[placid portal]

Its bp is mixed bag if you dont crit

[tall torrent]

This one isn’t even released yet?

[south garnet]

You'll get your precious non-dogshit cosmetics once you spend enough aquilas to buy us a new studio, worms

[unreal bone]

Most of them aren't

90% of all of the leaked cosmetics have not been released.

[tall torrent]

Welp, cash shop rotations

[unreal bone]

Instead they keep making fugly reskins.

Like bro 955

[tall torrent]

At least the game is in a decent spot now to actually release content

[unreal bone]

This outfit the Cadian heavy flak armor?

Teased 11 months ago.

11 months ago this was teased.

It has been almost a fucking year and still this set has not come out, it even had a fully made shop page.

[south garnet]

This one is already loaded into the rotation to release january,

[crisp bronze]

So my testing and realization of "more crit=gooder" was correct? Just build max crit?

[south garnet]

2027

[tall torrent]

Ooh, nice

Nvm

[unreal bone]

He got you there for a second.

[unreal bone]

But you're wrong, it'll be 2077

not 2027

[placid portal]

Handcannon blessing pushes bps for alot of things

[unreal bone]

Cyberpunk will become a reality before that outfit gets released.

[tall torrent]

Tbh I still would much prefer weapon remodel cosmetics over armor sets

[abstract moth]

They look just reskin, it seems like a scam

[tall torrent]

The only things u see of your armor set is your glove in majority of the gameplay

[unreal bone]

I want both bro fuck they doing over there? Their latest releases half of them were dogwater bro.

[south garnet]

It is baffling how few lazy recolors there are of... very iconic weapons

[unreal bone]

They reskinned a psyker outfit and painted it all black.

[calm prairie]

and I want a set with nicer gloves that cover wrists

[unreal bone]

And reskinns the catachan outfit and removed all the camo off of it.

2 of their 4 releases last rotation were literal 0 EFFORT DOGWATER

[tall torrent]

Not releasing a helbore skin with Krieg set is a massively missed opportunity

[south garnet]

And gold! That's two colors for the price of one!

[unreal bone]

There is 0 gold on this outfit bro

It is black and tiny bit of leather

[abstract moth]

I mean I guess I'm guilty there, I'd buy anything black that looks cool

[unreal bone]

Oh I bought it cause I used it to make a really nice looking all black psyker set.

[abstract moth]

Yes I bought that one

[calm prairie]

he means theres a gold version in the files unreleased

[unreal bone]

Ah lol

[tall torrent]

I like this set actually

[unreal bone]

I'm sorry dude this set is just so fucking god awful

[calm prairie]

the duality of man

[south garnet]

That one isn't a reskin at least, and the helmet has voice change. Better than most the paid stuff as a set imo

[unreal bone]

Our elite guerilla jungle fighter, is gonna have about 2 square inches of camo.

[abstract moth]

I use a black skull as head piece with that outfit

[unreal bone]

It's a reskin.

We've had that one before.

Only Ogryn and Zealot got unique outfits last rotation.

[abstract moth]

I'd like it more without camo and full metal color, the pants are great tho

[tall torrent]

I’m pretty sure this is the only set with gloves (that don’t cover finger tips) that stay consistent and doesn’t do weird clipping with your hand

[spark helm]

Unless something has changed, that's always been the case. You even had some characters, like Kerillian, whose weapons on average had longer/faster dodges with higher dodge rating. Compared to her, a character like say, Kruber with his greater weapons, had a lower dodge count and range. You could still dodge, but not all dodges are the same. Diminishing returns similar to Darktide would happen. Idk timers or if they're treated like stacks and stuff but the point still stands.

Fandom link but whatever. You can also confirm this in other wikis and even steam guides, probably YouTube as well. Pretty well-documented overall.

https://vermintide2.fandom.com/wiki/Dodge

[tall torrent]

Tbh the camo makes a lot of sense in several of the maps we play in

[atomic zephyr]

stealth chainaxe goes hard as fuck

[tall torrent]

At least it’s not some red & yellow armor

[atomic zephyr]

cant believe ive never heard anyone mention it

maybe im deaf

[spark helm]

Stealth veterans like ourselves fade into the discord replies.

[atomic zephyr]

lmao

[unreal bone]

Over 11 months Fartshart

[whole moon]

never been a fan of the shottys, this worth a punt?

[unreal bone]

where is it.

WHERE IS IT FARTSHART

[tall torrent]

And there’s just a really heavy worn & torn vibe to it

[crude ermine]

Worth the ol' spin

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/brown-trout-stealth-soldier-out-for-mission-gif-16593764

With revved up you can keep solid pace with mutants and hounds during infiltrate with movement speed aura. I'm sure you already knew that though

[atomic zephyr]

I didn’t actually, infiltrate is my least used ability

im usually exe stance vet

[spark helm]

Welcome to the company then.

[atomic zephyr]

ye ye

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/sneak-sneaky-hide-gif-7292848

[atomic zephyr]

I had a stealth knife build before but this chainaxe is way more fun

[abstract moth]

Didn't say dodges were all equal and effective, just that I didn't remember on darktide being useless after you use it a bit meaning dodging is not even worth doing. On vermintide tho I don't remember at all the dodge being useless after a bit of use, could always dodge the amount of length the weapon gave you if you had space and not surrounded by enemies

[whole moon]

apologies for nonvet stuff but Brunt really pulling out the stops for me this morning!

[atomic zephyr]

damn spicy

[crude ermine]

He has those days

Gave me a juicy 379 on the new chain sword and a juicy new evisc

[atomic zephyr]

cough I mean WITCH IN THE VET CHAT! RED ALERT!

[abstract moth]

Wdym when dont have any green areas like trees n stuff, I don't get the green in that set up

[crude ermine]

With ACTUAL good stats

Never upgraded the chain sword tho, not sure how to feel about its playstyle

[whole moon]

now THAT is rare!

[tall torrent]

The maps related to water cartel

[atomic zephyr]

I feel like the new chainsword is better suited to being an all rounder

[tall torrent]

Lots of green, just not grass

[atomic zephyr]

especially w the strikedowns

old one is probably better for horde clear

[spark helm]

I haven't noticed it much really. It's on the rarer side that I end up surrounded. At least in my experience though, I'm usually just slide dodging and running away before more slides or whatever else. As far vt2 goes I mean, idk. That sounds right because I've been jumped jumped before.

[placid portal]

New chainaxe is pretty good at hoardes and heavies for armored

Sure it's diagonal cleave but it does work

[atomic zephyr]

can confirm

[spark helm]

Even then, there's a lot of fucked up color and light in the areas we're in. Start messing with visibility and any patterned shape gets morphed.

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s an alright camo pattern imo (for like half the maps in the game)

Smelter maps, no
The desert maps, no

I like the worn & torn aesthetic of it

It’s so torn that the gloves have holes in them lol

[spark helm]

It'd be insanely confusing to fight shit like poxwalkers in some of those dumps we're near to. All those bodies stumbling would look like a swarming curdled pale gray and muddied olive colors.

Shit the smell would be enough to cut through the adrenaline I think.

[abstract moth]

Yeah I mean I feel it when I'm keeping dodging a hordes of crushers, mauler or ragers that's when it hits me, tbh tho when I was on pc I only played malice and heresy, can do only so much with not a stable 30 fps

[spark helm]

I'm not outright denying what you've experienced, but in those mess of a cluster, might not even be seeing the combination of tracking and quick shoves from them as well (for maulers and crushers).

[abstract moth]

I suppose, there no plants thingies that what I mean, I bought it because looks cool enough just would've loved it if had a full metal color maybe even darker

[tall torrent]

If it came with a helmet on top of the mask would have been nice

[spark helm]

Enemies in this game feel like they fire off their special close-quarters moves more frequently.

Still remember getting insulted when a chaos warrior hit me with a straight while I was playing shade. Knocked me back right into some berserker.

Started being very petty to them after that.

The biggest change to melee combat that I'm surprised by is the removal of universal parries and keeping it on the parry weapons for stamina. I guess it encourages people to interact with builds utilizing stamina though so it's fine. Plenty of other weapons and interactions in the game off stamina alone.

[abstract moth]

No my statement was wondering on darktide because I didn't remember it this way until I found out, on vermintide tho I clearly remember you could dodge all you want 2 seconds permitted, kek markus and bardin always saying stop dancing all over the place

[south garnet]

I would just appreciate if they rebuffed ragers again but also ironed out their animations and move timings to not be quite so truly fucked

[abstract moth]

Yupp totally

[tall torrent]

The headgear vs upper body clipping issue in this game is insane

[spark helm]

I don't know if I can consistently see what's going on to learn but sometimes it feels like the double thrust they do is longer than it looks even after field of view warping.

[tall torrent]

Yk what’s truly fucked
Krieg helmets (both) clip into Krieg coat collars
Steel legion helmets (all) clip into steel legion coat collars

[south garnet]

Then again these days I'll occasionally rubberband across the room and have 4 ghost hits mash me to quarter health out of nowhere so maybe rager mechanics aren't such a big deal

[abstract moth]

Yeah honestly wireless attacks always feel stupid specially with ragers, I'm doing my dance moves so I'm going to hit you even if I cant reach you

[tall torrent]

Pay attention to the neck

[south garnet]

Yea, the thing is that if you get up close to them their quick attacks make much more sense and line up better, it's those long ones that really mess up any attempt at a groove barring a special stagger you've got on your melee or etc., at which point repositioning is the better option

Once they're locked into longs you may as well just back away and make coffee until they break it

[spark helm]

Mhm. I've still been trying to figure out how to bait groups of ragers into their flurries without being too close when/if I need to dodge more. Usually a bad idea unless I'm outputting high stagger in some way.

[south garnet]

It is definitely more reliable if you're the one surprising them, approaching or intercepting them laterally or from the rear

[abstract moth]

Go close to them hold block then slide dodge backwards, the thing Is they easily will start doing it again quickly so you have just s split second to do something

[tall torrent]

I’ve been running demo team on top of demo stockpile just for rager packs

[whole moon]

Brunt may be full of love but unless I missed some changes Hadron decided to do her usual

[tall torrent]

Fighting ragers without high stagger just causes u to get worn down by attrition

[abstract moth]

I've been seeing that the new map is basically rager land especially on aurics damnation high intensity

[tall torrent]

Last part with the multiple cans u need to destroy

Basically guaranteed rager spam

[abstract moth]

Yes

Same in the ambushes spot with the smoke

[tall torrent]

It’s weird tho cuz smite Psyker and taunt Ogryn can trivialize their threats but lone vet/zealot can very easily get overwhelmed by them

[abstract moth]

Yep

[crude ermine]

Damn, guess Hadron wasn't in a good mood today

[tall torrent]

Harvest terrifying barrage 4

At least you’re getting progress in the sticker book

[whole moon]

I was gonna ask if you thought it was salvageable, checked the primer but nothing stellar is coming out of that. Cryin shame

cheers o7

[abstract moth]

Can only use grenades or some abilities to overcome them or escape

[grand sable]

this just dropped, what should I change on it

[trail knot]

flak/unarmored or something

[tall torrent]

Flesh tearer is not that great imo

For vet

[whole moon]

Mercy Killer?

[trail knot]

you can get +35% crit chance from the right tree

but lacerate is generally better, even for zealot

[grand sable]

thanks for input

[tiny summit]

The director in my aurics has felt...not dickish these past couple of runs as my exe helbore vet?

[cloud leaf]

They made the game too easy

It was perfect last patch

[tiny summit]

Lmao

[tiny summit]

Wish terrifying barrage was on the radius of kill w/o close range. I want a group of riflemen to shit their pants when I dome their buddy

[tall torrent]

Helbore can make a run very smooth tbh

[tiny summit]

My runs only really have me take out my actually melee maybe less than 10 times. Or none at all if it's just going that smooth. Been running the 5% chance grenade regen, actually doesn't seem that bad considering how many elites and specials are in any damnation and up game

[tall torrent]

I think running both nade regen talents is huge for making runs go smooth

Rager packs are much less of a threat when u can nade spam extremely consistently

[tiny summit]

Debating. Profitably worth over that rending node in the middle tree

Last game it was that misty alley after the brewery in the carnival. Must've been like 10+ maulers. Extra blitz that run, threw 4 frags, lit them up and they were gone

Of course because of the team

[unreal bone]

I love darktide

[scenic lance]

which shovel is better? III or VII?

[tall torrent]

3 has better single target moveset
7 has better horde clear moveset
SI has best defence and alright single target (with uncanny + take a swing)

[exotic sandal]

completed it with randoms woohoo!

[tall torrent]

Congrats

[sonic skiff]

cant wait to buy this boltgun for home defense

[grand sable]

the smoothbore boltgun

[sonic skiff]

and nail the neighbors poxhound when the heretics break into my house

[abstract moth]

Same I did all veterans challenges by my lonesome, good job

[versed merlin]

wheres that guy saying that penance is a game issue now

[exotic sandal]

100%

[abstract moth]

Kruber is proud

https://tenor.com/view/markus-kruber-vermintide-2-steam-tank-kruber-vermintide-gif-322539141967255863

[scenic lance]

The mk3 shovel is a fuckin monsterl ol

[patent valley]

hmm, weird

[delicate lotus]

how would plasma gun build look like?$

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9acc8ba6-2114-4214-a6bd-2aa0e9c16c0f/best-plasma-gun-veteran-build-for-patch-16?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button would this be good?

[gusty bison]

Its not bad

thats all I can say about that build

Theres a lot of different ways to build plasma

[oblique horizon]

I cant build plasma this patch because the bug irritates me too much to play with plasmagun

[delicate lotus]

For powerswords which is the one to go for or is shovel better?

[jade notch]

The Mk6 Power Sword

Preferrably with at least Power Cycler 3, if not 4

[round jetty]

power swords on top 👍

[delicate lotus]

if i dont have Power Cycler is Shovel better?

[round jetty]

not particularly

shovel is fire though

[delicate lotus]

Thats the plasmagun i have

[round jetty]

you new to the game?

[abstract moth]

I'd advice to get max lvl first so you can get better gear from the start then get technical with the stuff if you want, you'll need a lot of materials tho

[delicate lotus]

nope just didnt play in a long time so far i have ogry and Zealot at 30

[round jetty]

o

[delicate lotus]

Zealot was the first class i level in early acess

My Ogryn is a gunlugger on Zealot im testing a lot of different builds

[languid escarp]

is there a bug that allow people to skip decode segments? This guy skipped the whole run waiting at the end leaving us effectively doing 3 person on a damnation match

[sharp ember]

probably a map shortcut that hasn't been found and patched out yet

bit lame to dump your team doing it

[placid portal]

Ofc dies alone

[astral blade]

Anyone else think that infiltration cd should be brought down

To Like 40 seconds or 35 seconds

[placid portal]

Meh

Forget i have it

[astral blade]

Fair another thing the vet keystones are weak

[daring peak]

the bug?

[placid portal]

Pop it for spidey sense

[astral blade]

At least they feel like it

[placid portal]

Focus isnt too bad

[daring peak]

have you tried thunderhammer?

[placid portal]

Stacks build up fast

[wanton dawn]

Animation and sound sometimes do not go through

[daring peak]

ah

ive retuned to bolter

[astral blade]

Requires ya to ping a target and well pinging a target seems to be abit of a bîtch

[placid portal]

Fair

[astral blade]

Sometimes

[wanton dawn]

Tagging is the less gimmicky vet keystone

[delicate lotus]

nope

[wanton dawn]

Yup

Good talk

[astral blade]

This may sound kinda silly but I reckon that one of the keystones should be tied to an ability use

[patent valley]

what, like warp siphon?

[astral blade]

Yep

[patent valley]

ima be honest, i hate new warp siphon

the charges being consumed for cooldown is forced on me, and i dont like it

i wanna keep my charges

i still play it, dont get me wrong, but i hate it

or rather im frustrated at it

[astral blade]

I mean charges being consumed apon ability use of for vet

[patent valley]

ik

im just venting

[astral blade]

Would be rather interesting example let’s say Exe stance

[patent valley]

since its a vet, its gotta be something like a dmg booster

or accuracy booster

[astral blade]

Mhm reload speed would be nice also

[patent valley]

since dmg booster exists in the form of exec stance, and many other shxt, i dont think fatshark will add that

so most probably accuracy, reload, cooldown, or shooting speed

[astral blade]

Side note does anyone else think that Exe stance should automatically reload your gun from reserves

[patent valley]

cooldown would probably be most viable on infiltrate

since imo, that's the main issue with it

[patent valley]

nah

i recall they remove it because people are deleting bosses with it

if that's added back, they'll be able to delete bosses without bringing as much dmg talents for boss slaying

or if auto reload, exists in the form of a keystone that triggers upon ability use, if that's what u are hinting at, then that'd be pretty cool

[astral blade]

Mhm correct you are

[ivory forum]

infiltrate feels really slow on cooldown, especially when you realize zealot can have their equivalent ready in like 5 seconds with proper build

[patent valley]

well, technically they have weapon specialist rn, which does grant auto reload

[patent valley]

exactly

weapon specialist might be abit slow ig, it does give auto reload tho, and u can keep it going as long as hordes exist

doesnt require ability use to trigger it, but i can see why u'd want a version that has to be triggered by ability in return for better or full auto reload

[gusty bison]

Depends on gun

Revolver for instance with weapon spec never needs to reload

[patent valley]

yes cuz weapon spec rounds up the numbers of bullets reloaded, so even with 1 stack, u'd get 1 bullet at least

so with a gun like revolver, it synergizes damn well

with other guns, u may need to kill more to get actual value, especially guns that require multiple shots to take down specials and elites, like autoguns and lasguns

plasma is a special case since even tho it has lower ammo count, its magazine functions more like a power cell

[astral blade]

Kinda sucks that we don’t have melee weapons that don’t have like some form of ranged attack

As a special

[patent valley]

lets be real, its more like a high skill ceiling keystone for veterans to constantly switch between finishing a priority target and staying in the thick of things

so a vet in a horde can constantly switch weapons and fk up a random bomber/trapper/flamer etc that pops up into their screen

without ever needing to reload, hence allowing them to maintain their tempo

[pearl granite]

I wish the base stats were higher 😦

[astral blade]

Still a real pain in the ass those to be constantly switching just to get the buffs for the melee or ranged weapon

[patent valley]

mhm, u're not wrong, but imo its more of a go with the flow thing

so its best to just grab a easy straightforward combo like a powersword and a revolver

revolver benefits from the reload + bonus crit chance easily enough, and powersword can literally kill anything

[gusty bison]

For some playstyles they need to be switching constantly anyway. So its just free stuff for them

[patent valley]

namely the revolver, as a prime example when it comes to guns

and also hence why its more of a go with the flow keystone

trying to constantly keep track of its stacks and benefits isnt really something u should do with it, u can, but its easier not to,

i'd probably recommend weapons with low mag capacity and have the ability to one shot most elites, bolter, shotgun, revolver are the 3 examples and i can think of

[eternal depot]

I did it with the brauto, not the most efficient, but hella fun going BRRRR for like 10 seconds

[gusty bison]

Bolter with weapon spec is garbo cos of the switch speed

Shotty gud

Volver gud

[patent valley]

oh yea that's true

also the bonus crit chance only applies to first hit yes?

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-jesus-i-will-send-you-to-jesus-gif-25817244

Would it be to much to ask for AP rounds?

[patent valley]

i dont know

we technically have AP rounds ig

[inland orchid]

yea those bolter rounds are AP rounds

spearheads

[gusty bison]

Im not saying bolter is garbo.

Im saying u dont take weapon spec with bolter

[astral blade]

Bolter ain’t AP that’s explosive

[gusty bison]

Bolter rounds are APHE

[patent valley]

would it be too much to load more than 1 shot of special ammunition into shotguns?

[gusty bison]

They have a penetrating tip

But its designed to penetrate light to moderate armor, not heavy armor like cara

[inland orchid]

shit i gotta touch up on my ammo types

cant even call myself a vet

[patent valley]

technically they penetrate everything

[gusty bison]

Remember carapace can stop an autocannon

[astral blade]

Ya know what else can stop an autocannon

[gusty bison]

Ur prolly getting smooshed by the force of the shell though regardless

XD

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/my-mom-muscle-man-meme-gif-24842373

[astral blade]

Sorry I couldn’t help myself

[patent valley]

the shell got smooshed by the force of his mom

but srsly, shotguns loading special ammo is way too slow

[alpine pebble]

fellas im debating with a pal of mine
whats better
parry swords or power swords

[gusty bison]

Ur mom is a Hive Tyrant? O.o

[patent valley]

cant we just be allowd to load more than 1 if we have extra space in the mag?

[gusty bison]

Use reload speed buffs

[gusty bison]

Also this would make the agri too OP

[patent valley]

i dont want to waste volley expert just to load 1 shell

[gusty bison]

Ngl

[patent valley]

the 20% would be fine

[gusty bison]

I mean u also kill elites in 1 sooo

Load 1, kill 1, rinse repeat

[patent valley]

not with the kantrael and lawbringer i dont

[gusty bison]

Kanny wants to use primary fire vs elites

As does the lawbringef

[patent valley]

obv

im saying this cuz i wanna load those shells in for horde clear

[gusty bison]

Kanny and Law special shells u dont need that many anyeay

2 is enough

[untold flame]

Using both reload buffs you go supersonic loading your slug-musket

[patent valley]

but the horde always reach me first, and i need to be closer to actually proc it better

[gusty bison]

I mean its a shotty

Its really easy to dodge with it

[patent valley]

law needs more than 2, specially with the low ass cleave

does it even cleave shxt?

[gusty bison]

Law?

[patent valley]

lawbringer

[gusty bison]

Just run manstopper

Crit build

Done

[patent valley]

even with manstopper

[gusty bison]

Manstopper makes it inf cleave

[patent valley]

like i might as well use primary fire with the manstopper

faster, more accurate

[gusty bison]

But way more ammo intense

[patent valley]

who tf needs special ammo if its gonna be that slow

[gusty bison]

With flechette manstopper, 2 bullets and the horde is basically thinned

[patent valley]

it deals more dmg than the special ammo anyways

[gusty bison]

Not with flechette

Flechette means a single graze from a pellet will kill a poxwalker

[patent valley]

idk how accurate is that information

[gusty bison]

It literally throws like 6 stacks of bleed on them

[patent valley]

as some poxwalker survives kantrael's fire flechette in the psykanium

[gusty bison]

Kanny fire shot is more for killing lots of clumped up elites/mixed horde

Its way too wasteful to fire kanny into mundane hordes I find

For basicl bitch hordes Law Flechettr Manstopper reigns supreme

Cos it uses almost no ammo to clean a horde

[patent valley]

so lets see, if its gunners, u'll probably be too far to effectively apply fire properly, if its shotgunners, they'll fk u up before u get a chance to burn them to death, if its ragers, they're chasing u so fast, that u taking the time to load a no stagger fireshot is basically useless compared to emptying your mag into them with normal bullets, reapers maybe since they big fat targets and fire deals quite a bit to unyielding, same to bulwarks as the fire ignores the shield, maulers are fine, crushers, self explanatory

yea, i dont see this being too good ngl

mixed hordes yes

clumped elites, no

[gusty bison]

• Gunners u ads to apply fire.

• Shotgunners arent that scary tbh. Esp when u have a shotgun and the first shot staggers all of them.

• Ragers are perfect target for fire shot. Cos you can just backdodge when they enter their combo and they become animation locked while ur perfectly safe. The primary fire is also ammo inefficient as hell into them

[patent valley]

so shotgunners u just use regular shots rather than fire shots

[gusty bison]

Nah i use fire shot cos it means I kill 8 with 2 shots.

Rather than 8 with 8 shots

[patent valley]

if they are even that clumped tgt in the first place

[gusty bison]

I mean shotgunner patrols are that clumped

[patent valley]

since they still walk around while shooting based on most of my experience

so u want patrols

[gusty bison]

And they tend to charge u in a congo line

I mean yes? Thats what the fireshot is for

Nailing dense clumps

[patent valley]

so bad when it comes to active combat

which was the entire reason i was thinking about stacking special ammo

[gusty bison]

I mean

The kantrael itself is best used as a preemptive tool?

Kill the threats before they become a problem

Its not that good vs spread out targets due to its ammo eco.

[patent valley]

i mean, u're not wrong, but the whole point of me thinking of this change was making it able to work as an active one

[gusty bison]

Its why zealots like to use it

Agripinna shotty is better for the task ur thinking of

[patent valley]

i dont think so

[gusty bison]

Its not as good as the volver cos the volver reloads for free

But otherwise its sorta a volver

[patent valley]

pretty sure agripa is used for picking off targets from a far, and then empty it up close

[nimble sentinel]

que? ammo economy on kantrael is insane

[gusty bison]

Its just good for sniping single targets

[gusty bison]

Kanny shotty. Not lasgun

[patent valley]

exactly what i meant

[nimble sentinel]

ahhhhhh

[gusty bison]

Works both up close and at long range

[patent valley]

well, ig i should've worded that better than make it sound like the special round is shxt up close

[gusty bison]

Its got a very stable and amazing dodge. Exceptional hipfire accuracy. Amazing ADS stability

And with manstopper can collateral an entire line of elites

[patent valley]

alright ik its good, but really this isnt what i meant

[alpine pebble]

OI pro players how much is the % damage increase upon powering up a sword? i get the more cleave but how much more damage?

[gusty bison]

Depends on the target

[patent valley]

i just wish lawbringer and kantrael special ammo could be used back to back faster without having to waste points on reload just to get 1 extra ammo loaded

and that's it

[gusty bison]

Might break it on zealot ngl

[cloud leaf]

200%

[patent valley]

i used the agripina, i used the kantrael, and i used the lawbringer, and really just wished kantrael special ammo was faster

[gusty bison]

Like atm the Kantrael on zealot is already quite nuts good for what its purpose is

Being able to load faster kinda might give the zealot too much get out of jail free cards

[patent valley]

my idea was that u can select what ammo to load when u have empty space in the mag, R for normal rounds, special action for special ammo

[astral blade]

LMG where and when for vet

[gusty bison]

Yea that would break it for zealot.

[patent valley]

what if they make it slower to load special ammo, so that u can ready it but not actively use in combat

would that still be broken?

i mean, i doubt these changes will ever be made

best we can get is probably a blessing made like "power cycler"

[gusty bison]

I mean zealot aint going through their entire clip that quickly. They use it as a mass stagger/closing tool/opener to let them hit the tough targets in melee without fear

[patent valley]

doesnt the special ammo on kantrael have basically no stagger?

i dont see hordes getting hindered by them at all

[gusty bison]

It does.

[patent valley]

hindered as in staggered

[gusty bison]

It staggers the important things

[patent valley]

so only important stuff

[gusty bison]

The chaff is whatever

[patent valley]

are u sure its not more like suppression?

u cant stagger maulers and ragers with it can u?

[gusty bison]

True. Might be suppression

Aye but zealot doesnt care about those

[hybrid token]

god i love melee only

think that mission was my highest total damage ever

[patent valley]

well, yea just get me a powercycler-ish blessing for shotguns and i'd be very happy

even if i might have to forsake scattershot for it

[hybrid token]

you should just be able to load multiple special shells

[gusty bison]

But like the main use of the kantrael for zealots is to turn off all the shooting on the way in and get some damage on everything so they can cut through it quickly

[patent valley]

exactly what i said but might break zealot

[hybrid token]

being able to preload 9 fire shells might be busted

[patent valley]

what if special shells are kept as a separate ammo category

and there's a limit to how much u can use

[gusty bison]

That would just make it worse for vet

While zealot still... doesnt care that much

Remember for zealot the kantrael is a tool. Not a primary damage dealer

[patent valley]

i mean, i dont mean like split the ammo reserves in 2

[gusty bison]

Their ammo usage is quite low unless they are needing the shoot shooters

[patent valley]

i mean keep the current ammo reserves, and create second ammo reserve for specifically special ammo

[gusty bison]

Once again. That makes it worse for vet while not really affecting zealot

[hybrid token]

like zealot knives

[patent valley]

yea

[gusty bison]

Zealot has much lower ammo usage than vet on the kantrael unless ur running melee vet

[hybrid token]

i run sharpshooter kantrael a lot

[patent valley]

i mean, i cant lie that i do struggle with ammo using it, but there have yet to be a single time where i run out of ammo completely

[gusty bison]

For zealot the main purpose is you put a shot or two down range to suppress everything and get fire DoT ticking.

And then just chargein

And the opening shots makes it easier for you to work the horde

[hybrid token]

would be interesting if fire shells created fire patches like the molotov instead of dotting

[gusty bison]

Its also used to suppress a gunner swarm/snipers

Even through a thick horde

And also for bulwark busting

[hybrid token]

ez bulwark killing

[patent valley]

they still die easily to it even without patches of fire tho

only downside is that they stop them in their tracks, so u dont get whatever's behind them

[hybrid token]

fatshark please put melee only up permanently

[patent valley]

also, do u only need 1 incendiary round to hit to apply the full fire stacks?

[hybrid token]

its to fun

i dunno how many stacks it applies but its not full

[patent valley]

yea, figures

[gusty bison]

Theres a minimum pellet count

I.e. if minimum pellet count is X

If you hit with less than X pellets it counts as X

Varies between shotguns

[patent valley]

they can miss right?

even if its within your crosshairs

[gusty bison]

A full miss?

Yea

[hybrid token]

yeah thats why shotguns do a lot more overall damage hitting 3 guys than hitting 1

[patent valley]

yea

[gusty bison]

But thats usually at extreme ranges

Like hipfiring at 40+ m

Which uh...

Why

[patent valley]

well, idk how long a horde can stretch, but sometimes when i try to burn hordes running at me, the one's at the very back aint lit

[gusty bison]

Sometimes its terrain

Cos the hordes at the back arent in LoS yet

[patent valley]

well true

[gusty bison]

Or are behind some cover

[patent valley]

but lets take the long ass bridge on throneside as the example

that's definitely just a full miss no?

[gusty bison]

Theres still plenty of cover on that bridhe

[patent valley]

ik there's some cover

[gusty bison]

Which like the back of the horde likely is behind some of those covet

So those are just not gonna get caught

[patent valley]

mhm

[gusty bison]

Cos like cover dramatically lowers ur hit change even if it doesnt cover them entirely

Cos it reduces their effecrive hitbox

[gusty bison]

Also survivorship bias

[patent valley]

what does that mean

[gusty bison]

The ones set on fire die early

So the only ones u see at the end are the ones that werent

You can search wiki for it

[patent valley]

i mean i get that too

[fleet thicket]

The new chainsword is pretty good honestly

[stiff glacier]

I have been trying to make veteran stealth set for damnation with poor success

[patent valley]

cooldowns too high

and also u need to waste more points to actually make it viable

[stiff glacier]

My current one is mostly the right side but i take kraks

I just cant find weapons that fit the set well

[little path]

Use plasma

[stiff glacier]

Shovel and vraks mk 7 worked pretty well

[little path]

Use it to slip away and shoot flamers, trappers whatever

[stiff glacier]

Braced agripina not so

[gusty bison]

Raking fire IAG

[stiff glacier]

Accatran could maybe work too

[little path]

don't take every skill with it either

[gusty bison]

Accatran is horrible with stealth

[stiff glacier]

Oh

[gusty bison]

Doesnt benefit much from it

[little path]

Take low profile, leave hunters resolve

Low profile will make it so enemies basically don't even attack you

so extra temp DR doesn't really do anything

[stiff glacier]

I really want the melee skills from the bottom

[gusty bison]

Like the main use of stealth (other than rezzes and objectives) is being aggressive and pushing into the enemy

[stiff glacier]

Serated blade is a bit disapointing

[gusty bison]

So u want weapons that wanna either get up close, get behind enemies, or in the rare exception, the vraks 7 marksman focus build that wants to avoid distractions while going aggressively forward to snipe everything

[stiff glacier]

Gonna swap that out

[little path]

You don't need to get behind enemies

[stiff glacier]

Yeah either close up or further away

[little path]

you can use it form the front to make sure you have some room to breath and aim

[gusty bison]

No if you wanna back up dont use stealth

Use shout

Lower cd

Better

Stealth is for going deep

[little path]

shout doesn't let you hit priority targets

[cloud leaf]

Never use stealth

[stiff glacier]

I save stealth to get better spot to kill gunners or go rev

[little path]

overall though stealth does need buff

[gusty bison]

Use shout for sniping unless you are running marksman focus with a V7

Stealth very much is an aggressive forward positioning tool

Raking fire IAGs are the big example of a gun that loves stealth

[stiff glacier]

I had some success with catachan mk (4?) and shotgun

[gusty bison]

Shotguns are ok but... dont really benefit from stealth either i feel

[cloud leaf]

Stealth is only good for hiding and cowering in fear

[little path]

The only things that benefit from stealth is plasma and if you have raking fire

that's it

[gusty bison]

Plasma?

[stiff glacier]

Basically blast couple with dragon breaths from horde and go for melee with bonus collected

[gusty bison]

Why does plasma need stealth

[little path]

you can use it to stealth and shoot through the horde into elites that are hitting your team

[gusty bison]

It has perfect stability

[stiff glacier]

I use plasma with middle tree build

[gusty bison]

It has perfect stability

You just dodge and shoot

You can even shoot mid dodge

You dont need stealth

[little path]

yeah but you don't always have the right angle

[unkempt lagoon]

Does krak without tinkerer always one shot crushers/bulwarks?

[gusty bison]

Just cover bang them

Its a plasma

[little path]

it also helps if you're the one being shot at

[gusty bison]

Plasma doesnt get suppressed

[little path]

harder to shoot your plasma if you're the one that's getting fucked

[cloud leaf]

Yes

[gusty bison]

Or aim punched

[little path]

doesn't get suppressed

[stiff glacier]

I take the tinkerer and usually regen grenade skills

[little path]

but you still get stunned

[gusty bison]

This doesnt stop the plasma firing

[little path]

by flamers, grenades, just not having time to shoot

[gusty bison]

It doesnt get aim punched

[unkempt lagoon]

I like tinkerer for boss damage but its good to know its not necessary for what its mostly used for

[little path]

brother even if you don't get aim punched

you probably don't want to try and shoot if you're being attacked by ragers

and are aiming for the flamer

[gusty bison]

Uh u do?

Ragers are super easy to avoid

[ancient raptor]

god roll ?

[gusty bison]

One back dodge. Lmb. Bam staggered and vulnerable

Heck u also stagger the 5 ragers after the first guy

[stiff glacier]

I have liked the basic agripinaa mk 1 autogun

[little path]

assuming it's just the ragers and flamer

[cloud leaf]

Mid

[little path]

I didn't want to say

[gusty bison]

What else? Gunner?

One side dodge, lmb, dead gunner

[little path]

assuming it's auric

gunners, ragers, trappers, bombers, dogs, horde

[gusty bison]

Yes plasma literally is the king of performing under pressure

[little path]

flamers

mutants

maybe a monster

[patent valley]

dont gotta think just lmb

[gusty bison]

Horde does nothing. Ragers are easy to avoud with dodges.

Muties are eaaaaasy to dodge

[little path]

everything is easy to dodge

[gusty bison]

Gunners u kill with 1 lmb

[ancient raptor]

true

[little path]

problem is just saying

"just dodge"

well sure if that's so easy no one ever goes down

sometimes shit goes sideways

[gusty bison]

You literally can kill specials and elites through an entire horde wall with a pinpount accurate gun

Why the fuck do u need stealth

Just shout

[little path]

because you don't always have time to shoot

[gusty bison]

What

[little path]

and shout won't stop snipers or gunners

[gusty bison]

Shout is instant

[stiff glacier]

For melee ive tried to use the knifes and shovels but i probably should take the chainsword

[gusty bison]

You know what stops snipers?

Plasma

[fleet thicket]

Has anyone tried the new chainsword on their vet?

[ancient raptor]

the broken ahh fire is the only thing that kills me in this game sometimes

[fleet thicket]

Goddam it's amazing

[patent valley]

killin it

[gusty bison]

You know what stops gunners? Plasma.

Literally plasma is the premier anti sniper gun

[stiff glacier]

Snipers die to about any gun

[fleet thicket]

Eh any gun would work

Literally

[little path]

you know what makes it harder to shoot gunners

[fleet thicket]

Except flamer

[gusty bison]

Yea but plasma can bang a sniper through 30 poxwalkers and a wall

[fleet thicket]

[stiff glacier]

Gunners are pain in the ass

[little path]

needing your melee out to avoid being bombed by poxwalkers coming from random angles

[gusty bison]

Just swap

[little path]

not everything is in a straight line

[gusty bison]

Plasma is a fast swap weapon

[fleet thicket]

Honesly that has never been issue for me honestly but I like plasma cuz of its fast pull out time

[little path]

sometimes crushers are coming behind you in NOT a glob

[fleet thicket]

And carapace pen

[little path]

but instead staggered so a single shout won't stop them all

[gusty bison]

I mean its crushers

You have a plasma

[little path]

but you still need room to dodge and charge shots

while not getting hit by normals or ragers

[fleet thicket]

I'm gonna run the new chainsword with mg12

[gusty bison]

You... realize you can iframe crushers?

[little path]

in a vacuum sure

[fleet thicket]

See how it goes

[little path]

everything is easy to kill

[unkempt lagoon]

good luck, let me know how it goes. Im also curious

the moveset on new chainsword seems better

[fleet thicket]

I think

[gusty bison]

All stealth does here is throw all the aggro on you, onto a teammate less able to deal with the pressure, on top of the pressure they already have.

[stiff glacier]

Ive tried to also max mobility boosting attributes

[fleet thicket]

It's very weird tbf

[little path]

onto 3 teammates and giving you 10 seconds to freely shoot

[gusty bison]

You as a plasma vet is literally one of the BEST people to deal with sniper, crusher, rager and gunner pressure

[fleet thicket]

The fact that it's heavies got annyoing vanguard attack in between and lights got a annyoing strike down at the start

[little path]

main point is YOU are best to deal with it

[gusty bison]

Why the fuck are u throwing it onto someone else

[fleet thicket]

But other than that

[little path]

but can't if everything is attacking you

[gusty bison]

No. You are best able to ABSORB it

Cos it affects u the least

[fleet thicket]

It's very fun

[gusty bison]

A zealot gets hard pinned by a gunner wall if they dont have assets ready

[fleet thicket]

Also I didn't except

How much damage those strikedown overhead heavies do with it

[gusty bison]

Except u literally can. This is the entire design and purpose of the plasma

[little path]

if you don't have room to shoot because flamers are fucking you from every angle, bombers are lobbing onto YOU, crushers have you pinned, snipers have you pinned, all kinds of elites have you pinned and shout isn't going to stop them all

[fleet thicket]

You can kill a scab rager in 3 hits

[gusty bison]

To be the most effective, stable gun under the heaviest pressure

[gusty bison]

Its a plasma. This is what its designed to do

[little path]

so you're saying plasma can shoot in a 360 circle?

in one shot?

[unkempt lagoon]

space and grawr this is going nowhere, you clearly cant see eye to eye

[gusty bison]

A plasma can jump shot mid dodge headshot someone at 120m with pinpoint accuracy yes

[cloud leaf]

That's just grower man he always does this always the same

[little path]

jumping doesn't stop people from attacking behind you

[gusty bison]

Dodge does

[fleet thicket]

I think plasma is just like any other gun honestly

[little path]

dodge stops tracking, it doesn't give Iframes

if you're surrounded you can't dodge

[gusty bison]

It does!

Crab has a video showing this

[fleet thicket]

That is true

I have dodged

Overheads from crushers

[gusty bison]

Of a crusher overhead literally phasing through him while doing a 0 movement dodge

[fleet thicket]

While being cornered

[little path]

okay so what about dodge cooldown

[gusty bison]

Repeatedly

[gusty bison]

You pace it well

[fleet thicket]

Well then you are fucked

[gusty bison]

Dodge slide.

[fleet thicket]

[placid portal]

Parry it

[spark helm]

Darktide dodge is significantly stronger as a mechanic. Massive when you consider how dodging worked in the first place.

[gusty bison]

Swap and parry

[spark helm]

From VT2.

[gusty bison]

Or just keep moving

[fleet thicket]

Parry ?

[spark helm]

So what is this all about?

With plasma guns and all that?

[little path]

parry stops one

[placid portal]

Devil claw

[little path]

what about the others

[fleet thicket]

Oh

[gusty bison]

Someone is saying to run stealth with plasma

[little path]

I'm not saying run stealth with plasma

[gusty bison]

Which is like... the gun that needs it the least

[spark helm]

I do it.

[placid portal]

Dodge and parry mix it together

[fleet thicket]

I guess it make sense to run devil claw with mg35 plasma

[little path]

I'm saying plasma is an option for stealth

as in

[gusty bison]

Id say plasma is the last option

[placid portal]

Anything works on stealth if you try

[gusty bison]

Everything else is better

[placid portal]

[spark helm]

That was it from the beginning? Go on.

[little path]

Raking fire and plasma are the better chocies for stealth

[fleet thicket]

However I still haven't built a amazing plasma anyone know whats the build on plasma again ?

What's its dump statM

[gusty bison]

... plasma is not the better choice

[fleet thicket]

Thermal resistance ?

[placid portal]

Plasma just works

[fleet thicket]

You need gets hot with blazing away right ?

[little path]

thermal yeah

[spark helm]

That's mostly where I'm coming from with plasma. That thing goes anywhere because of what it does on its own.

[gusty bison]

This is fair

But like at that point ur kinda just not really using ur ability

Which is fine cos its plasma

[placid portal]

Cant believe plasma is such a powerhouse

[gusty bison]

But shout is kinda right there

[fleet thicket]

But plasma also eats through your ammo count

[gusty bison]

Perfect accuracy + Perfect stability + Innate suppression/aimpunch immunity + Massive cleave does thid

[little path]

I don't like blaze away for plasma

[placid portal]

Dont mattwr you detonate everything in 1 or 2 shots

[little path]

I'm usually only pulling out the gun to shoot some elites or specials

[unkempt lagoon]

tf is aimpunching

[little path]

so I prefer volatile over blaze

[gusty bison]

In a game about movement, the gun that doesnt suffer from movement is a massive boon

[unkempt lagoon]

bro is using fisticuffs

[spark helm]

You can do better with infiltrate for a ranged option in my opinion. That's mostly just because the other weapons that work very well with stealth interactions for veteran, you'll feel that fluidity of power outside of plasma while simulataneously playing with infiltrate's potential. That can be said about any other keystone, clearly. But uh, I think most people tend towards middle and left tree for their first thoughts when building a lot of things.

[gusty bison]

When a bullet hits u when ur toughness is out and staggers your aim

[fleet thicket]

I heard volatile destroys your

[unkempt lagoon]

ah

[placid portal]

Running out of ammo is the least of plasma's issue if you use to hunt special elites

[fleet thicket]

Charge rate though

[gusty bison]

Its particularly bad on some guns

[spark helm]

We're not Zealots. We don't need to be but Zealot stealth builds are overtly louder with their displays compared to infiltrate vets in my mind.

[little path]

wdym

[placid portal]

Lucius got that super steady aim

[fleet thicket]

Then that means you can't shoot gunners

[unkempt lagoon]

i cant stand aimpunching

[fleet thicket]

Licious is the superior weapon

[gusty bison]

Run plasma :3

Or helbore for some reason

[fleet thicket]

Helbore is love helbore is life

[gusty bison]

Helbore being aimpunch resistant is always funny to me

[placid portal]

You could say thst until a plasma steals all your elite/special kills

[spark helm]

I'm figuring it out. It's nice.

[placid portal]

[spark helm]

I just need to do more and think less tbh. Put the gun on a pedestal like a goofball.

[placid portal]

Point and shoot millitarum style

[spark helm]

muh snoiper

[fleet thicket]

Assuming he gonna have any ammo left after 5 minutes into the match xD

[spark helm]

Carbine at best.

[placid portal]

Typical krieg aiming doctrine

[spark helm]

Halo type.

[gusty bison]

XD

[placid portal]

Shoot while storming a bullet hive

[little path]

I find that the survivalist perk with +25% ammo keeps the plasma stocked up pretty well

[gusty bison]

Truly feels like a WW1/early WW2 infantry rifle

[fleet thicket]

Can you imagine being heretic then hearing the roaring thunder of helbore 3? You will shit your pants !

[placid portal]

If only it was a bolt action lasgun

[gusty bison]

Lmao

[unkempt lagoon]

longlas when...

[spark helm]

Fucked up thing about--

longlas?

Hey.

[gusty bison]

Ngl i dunno how they would make a longlas interesting and distinct

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/licking-lips-nelly-tilt-ya-head-back-song-yummy-delicious-gif-21286950

[fleet thicket]

True...