veteran-class

[sharp ember]

sorry pal, lost it when the update deleted loadouts, but I had Survivalist, shout ult, and the reload speed talents on it

[idle pecan]

is this a good idea to level

[sharp ember]

not sure if krak or shredders

[crude ermine]

Yeah, just prepare for hadron to decide it's fate

[idle pecan]

i have this rn

but someone said that my stats should be better

[crude ermine]

Like how she gave mine groaners and endurance

[acoustic wyvern]

that someone is a perfectionist and you shouldnt listen to them

[sharp ember]

that is a very comfy one right there

getting an upgraded one would be a possibly costly investment for possibly only minor gain

[sharp ember]

and needs breakpoint research and building your talent tree around it

Gets Hot 4 is good tho

[mystic belfry]

That will probably be worth upgrading to gold

[crude ermine]

The only one I remember using was this one because I couldn't be asked to level one after 20 terrible ones, still looking for a better one to this day

I don't remember why I put armourless

[hybrid river]

Roll the dice baby now I’m hooked

[idle pecan]

im out of sauce to do it

i gotta get more plasteel

[jade notch]

The Plasteel grind never ends 😔

[desert hawk]

The key is to give up on the weapon improvement grind

just stockpile

[vivid ocean]

give up on grinding, stockpile plasteel, and wait for melk

[desert hawk]

then one day you drop like 2million dockets and hundreds of thousands of plasteel and still come out with only a handful of okay weapons

[atomic zephyr]

me remembering why I don’t like most of the 40k fanbase when I encounter the shittiest krieg meme ever

[sudden dome]

you mean I should just play the game and stop worrying about having the perfect god roll on my weapons?

[desert hawk]

Pretty much

any 350 wep is mostly servicable

[atomic zephyr]

yeah it turns out the game is fun when you ignore the slot machines

[sudden dome]

but how will I get the rush of the slots after every damnation, 4 chances on the weapon 2 chances on blessings

[bitter turtle]

Sometimes you have to for new weapons tho

[sudden dome]

some weapons are unusable without specific setups

[bitter turtle]

Shit suggs

[sudden dome]

looking at helbore

[bitter turtle]

Buff plasteel gain pls

[atomic zephyr]

im so glad i got lucky with my helbores

[sudden dome]

I need surgical, any surgical

Ive got t4 charge

[crude ermine]

I keep getting surgi

Too many

[bitter turtle]

The monkey paw curls

You get surg

On vraks3

[sudden dome]

its like the guy who couldnt get flettche but kept getting manstopper and Im the opposite

[atomic zephyr]

once I was rolling…something, I forgot what it was, and got six t3 terrifying barrages in a row

[sudden dome]

I keep getting flettche and cant get manstopper

[jade notch]

It's either that or make the Darktide grind your job.

And fuuuuuck that noise, I already have an actual job.

[atomic zephyr]

I think it was a lawbringer I was rolling

[crude ermine]

I remember trying to get handcannon and surgi for my revolvers and kept getting unlucky

Then after getting one surgi I realized that I could've just used plasteel to slot in those two blessings (i didn't know blessings were universal till then)

You could imagine how I felt after 50 failed revolvers

[atomic zephyr]

yeah I wanted a flechette man stopper lawbringer but when I learned they were t2 blessings only I just gave up

could’ve had the decency to put them at t3 but NOO

[flint garden]

power cycler 4 and revolver surgical 4 dont exist

[atomic zephyr]

and im not grinding a second vet to lvl 15 just for those blessings

tbf surgical 3 does good too

[crude ermine]

I got tricked by one that had a 4 and brittleness or whatever it's called and almost bought it off Melk before realizing it isn't power cycler

[atomic zephyr]

supercharge?

[tall torrent]

Just farm requisition

[atomic zephyr]

or whatever it’s called

[jade notch]

Shattering Impact?

[atomic zephyr]

brunt’s shop?

[pale rapids]

Malls

Malks*

[crude ermine]

Yeah

[atomic zephyr]

last I checked power swords don’t have shattering impact

oh melk

wait does melk even sell weapons with t2 blessings

[crude ermine]

I don't recall

[jade notch]

Oh right, Shattering Impact is for Bolters/Plasma Guns. I forgot what the PSword version was called

[atomic zephyr]

yeah it’s supercharge
someone mentioned supercharge allowing power swords to penetrate bulwark shields?

[jade notch]

I think that "Can punch through Bulwark Shields" Blessing for Power Sword was Surge

[crude ermine]

The blessing or the staff

[crude ermine]

Also yes he can

[atomic zephyr]

oh nice

guess I’ll just wait

I missed out on t4 savage sweep on chainsword today because I didn’t have enough melkbucks after doing all the weeklies

big sad

[crude ermine]

I missed out on one too, but that was because I didn't feel like doing one contract (laziness and already 3 failed runs)

[atomic zephyr]

yeah that’s fair

[orchid condor]

Anyone knows whats the different between power sword 3 and 4?

[novel stone]

Their move set I believe

[crude ermine]

3's charged strike heavy is a sweep

The other is more of a vertical swing with better damage(?)

[jade notch]

Diagonal, from bottom left to top right

[midnight patrol]

Quite similar to some of my own Lawbringers

[jade notch]

People like the Mk6 Power Sword because the charged Push-Stab + follow-up light attack can two-tap headshot a Crusher on Damnation when built right

[midnight patrol]

You can reliably one tap ragers and Maulers to the head

If you are able to master it the new shovels are second to none in flexible pure offensive might

[novel stone]

So satisfying to decapitate ogryns in 2 swings

[jade notch]

Yeah

[ionic hull]

is Field Improvisation bugged? or am i just not seeing it go off

[spark helm]

Should be fine, what's not adding up?

[ionic hull]

i threw down a medipack and it didnt heal my corruption

[jade notch]

Is that entire Wound filled with Corruption?

Because Field Improv only heals Corruption up to the current remaining wound.

[ionic hull]

oooohhh ok that makes more sense

[jade notch]

Like how the Purity Aura for Zealot does it

You need a Health Stimm or a Medicae Station to remove that full Wound mid-mission

[finite imp]

it gives you stun immunity

[spark helm]

Field Improvisation would be wild if it was a slower regen medicae station.

[jade notch]

It'd be an even stronger pick if that was the case, yeah

[spark helm]

It doesn't necessarily need it since I'm more interested in the grenade restoration but yeah that'd be pretty attractive.

[ionic hull]

yea i thought it healed wounds too lmao

[eternal sable]

https://tenor.com/view/123-gif-27708605

[candid tundra]

is this worth upgrading or is pen needed?

I'm grasping at straws I've bought so many damned shovels and not one has been above 360

[crude ermine]

It's like the middle child

[dreamy scaffold]

i wish there was a gift or trade system, cba to grind for a good weapon anymore😭

[crude ermine]

Has potential, but can easily be a disappointment

Raise with care

[dreamy scaffold]

“never leave it for over 2 seconds in fear it falls off the bed”

[crude ermine]

Can confirm

I've fallen off the bed a lot

[dreamy scaffold]

same

explains alot ngl

[versed merlin]

lmao

thats one of the best analogies i've seen in a while

[river phoenix]

I run an odd melee vet setup w/ triple toughness curios (mostly high utility damnation (easy to clutch revive the whole team, deal w/ horde clear, specialist clear, has option to kill ragers and carapace w/ power sword, and lots of survivability))

Any thoughts for improving or perk / blessing changes for weapons?

271 Toughness
188 HP

[tall torrent]

I’d personally go through duck & dive then stamina regen delay node in bottom right half of the tree

[sleek cairn]

oh shit ur going for that OP stamina stuff

[tall torrent]

The stamina regen delay reduction is a huge improvement compared to the low dmg boost from desperado

[sleek cairn]

this guy rocks

[river phoenix]

Haven’t had much reason to grab stamina regen tbh

[sleek cairn]

its the stamina delay thats amazing

[tall torrent]

Grabbing that node gives you zealot stamina regen delay

Going from 1s delay to 0.75s delay is a huge improvement

[river phoenix]

Is it only if you weave pushes and blocks or?

[sleek cairn]

depends on ur melee

[river phoenix]

Power Sword mk6

[sleek cairn]

then even more important

[river phoenix]

How?

[tall torrent]

You start regenerating stamina sooner after dodging and attacking enemies

[sleek cairn]

PS6 is stamina reliant

that's all there is to it

[river phoenix]

Ah kk

[sleek cairn]

my caxe2 has 5 dodges if my stamina is out, but ur ps6 does not really dodge lol

[tall torrent]

This part of the tree is basically “grab if you can afford because it’s insanely good”

[sleek cairn]

super large emphasis on stamina delay node

[jade notch]

Power Sword Mk 6's Push-Stab attack (when charged, which needs Stamina) is a big part of why a lot of Vets run it

[sleek cairn]

u guys will appreciate it more when u have to handle boss aggro

[frigid hare]

anyone know how opening salvo works with single-shot weapons like the kantrael 12

[tall torrent]

Even if you’re not using super stamina reliant weapons, that node is crazy valuable

[frigid hare]

does it just give every shot +% power?

[tall torrent]

I see too many vets not taking either of the stamina regen delay nodes

[frigid hare]

or is there some dumb way a "salvo" is defined

[tall torrent]

Salvo is a continuous stream of shots until recoil resets to original point

[frigid hare]

so if i wait for recoil to clear then every shot is a new salvo?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[tawny glen]

yeh

[tall torrent]

But doing that lowers your firerate

[frigid hare]

makes sense

[tall torrent]

And therefore lowers your dmg output, unless the dmg bonus from opening salvo actually visibly kills enemies in fewer hits

[jade notch]

Are you running a Kantrael MG XII Lasgun?

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately I don’t think opening salvo hits any major breakpoints for MG12 rn?

[jade notch]

It's not a popular Blessing on MG 12, IIRC. No.

[tall torrent]

MG12 is just hard pathing through EXE stance and you’re good

To reach its one taps without EXE stance requires so much point investment into ranged finesse and what not it’s just not worth it

[spark helm]

yall see mobility as the la lasgun dump?

[tall torrent]

50% and ur fine

[jade notch]

I do, but even I won't take anything lower than 50% Mobility

[spark helm]

was thinking the same

[steep vault]

I don't think open salvo is good with semi auto

[tall torrent]

Mobility roll is essentially as long as u get max dodge count you’re good

[jade notch]

Does Mobility just modify how many Dodges you get? Or also how far each Dodge can go?

[frigid hare]

no i just saw one in the melk store with opening salvo 4 so i was trying to decide if it was worth buying

[serene sage]

man injects drugs and (almost) one mag giant slug

[tall torrent]

Both

[south garnet]

Hit v to inspect, hover mouse over stat bar

[jade notch]

Fair enough. The popular Blessings for Kantrael Lasguns is Headhunter (+Crit for Weak Spot Hit) and Deadly Accurate (+100% Crit Weakspot Damage)

[jade notch]

Aight

[acoustic wyvern]

i like how you went one...two...ah fuck this pew pew pew

[tall torrent]

Mobility doesn’t modify stats the same way for every weapon though

[jade notch]

I'd do that if I didn't know FS messed up tool-tips distressingly often

[serene sage]

my exact thought process lmao

[tardy plaza]

I'm looking for a good build for stealth? Is there one?

[acoustic wyvern]

stealth range? stealth melee?

theres also stealth support builds

[crude ermine]

There's stealth everything, minus tax evasion

[tardy plaza]

I just want to use the stealth active because I think it's cool

So

Uh

All three?

Really whatever would perform best in auric maelstroms

[sleek cairn]

then just the stealth base

unless ur actively breaking out of stealth early

[south garnet]

They can't take what they can't dig up because they haven't found the unmarked parcel you buried it in

[robust mesa]

Hey friends

[tardy plaza]

Thank you

[jade notch]

Would an Inquisitor's finances be tax-deductible? If not, then technically we're committing tax evasion from the larger Imperium.

And now I'm wondering if the Administratum has their own Imperial IRS.

[robust mesa]

does anyone have a decent recommendation for shotgun builds

[idle pecan]

what should i put on the VId recon gun to make it viable somewhat

[mystic belfry]

Which shotgun

[idle pecan]

infernus and HH?

[mystic belfry]

Your hopes and dreams

[tall torrent]

Headhunter + dum dum

Maniac perk is must-have

[robust mesa]

Uh, not sure. I'm thinking either the slug, or fire one

[tall torrent]

Bring a melee that actually kills everything well

[mystic belfry]

Are you willing to run marksman's focus?

[idle pecan]

check

[robust mesa]

The keystone?

[mystic belfry]

mhmm

[robust mesa]

I don't see why not

[mystic belfry]

One moment

[tall torrent]

Swap sprint efficiency to carapace and ur good

[acoustic wyvern]

my go to for stealth

[south garnet]

I assume everything just gets expensed under the same giant cost center and GL, including human lives

[idle pecan]

when using power sword with power cycler IV should i light swing or heavy swing 3 times

[tardy plaza]

why is like

half the build cut off

[idle pecan]

do i have enough time for 3 heavy swings?

[acoustic wyvern]

oh shit sec

this is just my example if i use infil

[tall torrent]

U rly just need the first two actually

[jade notch]

Sounds about right for the Inquistion, ngl.

[idle pecan]

so heavy swing twice?

[tall torrent]

First two are much flatter

[mystic belfry]

Slug build

[tall torrent]

Oh nvm that’s a mk3

Yea the combo is weapon special, then heavy twice

Rinse, repeat

[finite imp]

maybe im weird for wanting this but

our characters pull off some INSANE shit

it would be cool if once in a while the handlers would witness the bullshit we just went through

and be like holy fuck

you're a monster

There's a scene in black mesa

you're gordon freeman

you all know him

The psychopathic mass murderer self defense castle doctrine wizard

you get locked into a room with a regiment of marines and merc them all

and the scientists come out like what the FUCK DID YOU DO

they're almost terrified at your ability to murder

that 5 seconds stuck with me

like finally a living being comprehends what you just did

i feel like there's not enough of that in FPS in general

[acoustic wyvern]

eat a poxwalker and claim its corpse starch

[tall torrent]

The next mission I’m pretty sure is assassination where we fight both of the twins

There’re already voicelines of the twins dying

[finite imp]

I hope the handler doesn't say some shit like "Wow you're 12.1% behind schedule dumbass I was almost proud of you"

like i get it

were rejects

but at this point in my "career" i've cut through hordes of heretics

[tall torrent]

The only ones that berate us are hadron and morrow, mostly hadron

[finite imp]

there needs to be some level of respect to that

[acoustic wyvern]

actually

[finite imp]

one touch i did like was the npcs in the mounringstar

[acoustic wyvern]

being a veteran is already a respect

considering how easy guardsman fall

[finite imp]

"You seem like you're invincible"

oh god here we go with the 15 mins shit

[tall torrent]

Moebian VIth adjutant has shown the rejects more respect than Morrow has

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/mud-faceplant-splat-mondays-funny-gif-3528154

[acoustic wyvern]

it takes a badass or a lucky sumbitch just to survive this long as a guardsman

[strange crow]

Hey guys for the standard issue shovel can Uncanny Strike and All or Nothing pair well? I got All or Nothing IV and Uncanny Strike 3, I heard both the blessings are pretty good but idk if they synergize well with one another

[tall torrent]

Standard shovel works with uncanny + AoN because its best single target move is push attack (overhead)

[finite imp]

if you guys arent aware of where the 15 hour thing comes from

https://www.amazon.com/Fifteen-Hours-Warhammer-40-000/dp/1844162311

its this particular book

if you can't tell from the title

[tall torrent]

You can also purposefully maintain AoN with <20% stamina by pairing deadshot talent with your ranged weapon, like the mk2 revolver

[finite imp]

it isn't super long

lol

[tall torrent]

The veteran rejects in this game need to show more of the “fighting dirty” side

[strange crow]

Bless ty again, apologies for calling the blessings "perks" there. I assume the standard route would be carapace dmg and maniac dmg

[finite imp]

that's why I love the cutthroats voice

[strange crow]

Or would giving it some horde-clear-related perks potentially work too?

[finite imp]

he sounds exactly like a rampaging murderer bent on venting hellish levels of violence at anything he can have the excuse to rip apart

[tall torrent]

Bought this set just to exude that “this mf fights dirty” aura

[finite imp]

looks like an airsofter

i would have bought that mask if it had a FUCKING HELMET

[tall torrent]

I like how much worn & torn it has

The gloves literally have holes in them

[versed merlin]

god i hate those chicken legs

[umbral scaffold]

Both usually

[versed merlin]

why tf do they keep giving us those

[finite imp]

those kinda pants are dope

you can move so freely

[candid tundra]

is this bricked?

[robust mesa]

ty

[versed merlin]

yeah but in this game fashion>comfort

[tall torrent]

Take to purple, if perk bad, borderline bricked

[finite imp]

harem pants I think they're called

[finite imp]

monster hunter player

[candid tundra]

what about this

[crude ermine]

Trying to break out of revolver vet is like trying to get out of your drug addiction

[finite imp]

pick up graia brauto

[tall torrent]

Low first target is a problem but so far not bad

[candid tundra]

result

[finite imp]

become a walking minigun

[serene sage]

sick drip tbh

[tall torrent]

Gold

[candid tundra]

my shovels are cursed with low first target

[candid tundra]

gold?

[dusk idol]

just play fanning revolver instead

[finite imp]

ill play the fanner when they fix it

[tall torrent]

Gold

[dusk idol]

didn’t even know it was bugged

[finite imp]

it's not

[candid tundra]

@tall torrent this is the result of the thrust onew

[finite imp]

it just has zero penetration which makes zero sense

[tall torrent]

Gold as well

[crude ermine]

Not a fan of the current fanning

[strange crow]

So if I'm doing AoN + uncanny for shovel, what are the ideal perks? I can change both if that helps

[candid tundra]

every single fucking shovel I have gets these two blessings

[versed merlin]

well that explains it then

[candid tundra]

nothing else

always these two

[dusk idol]

it does have pen, but only on extremely soft targets

aka groaners

[finite imp]

bro

it's a revolver

[tall torrent]

Swap hammerblow4 with uncanny4
Infested to carapace

[dusk idol]

and pretty sure only one target

[versed merlin]

seen so many vets in my runs running those and mf did 0 dmg to crusher pack

[tall torrent]

Very usable

[finite imp]

it still should be cutting meat

[tall torrent]

Harvest trauma4

[finite imp]

the fuck am i doing with a revolver that runs .22

gtfo

[desert hawk]

one assumes future gun powder is stronger

cause a 22 could not do the kind of damage the zarona does

[candid tundra]

ok, thanks for the help; is the mk7 better than my old one? (below)

[finite imp]

warp infused

[tall torrent]

I prefer new marks

[desert hawk]

yes this one here inquisitor

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/skaven-dance-warhammer-fantasy-dancing-skaven-ratman-dance-gif-19349860

[candid tundra]

but like stat wise and shit even though it's got lower stats than my old one will it work better?

[finite imp]

do i look like a heretic to you

[dusk idol]

tbh, I don’t have any issues with using it as is, but it’s essentially a completely different weapon to old revolver

[finite imp]

needs better pen EYE EM OH

[mystic belfry]

Fanfire? No it doesn't

[tall torrent]

Newer marks have more dmg but not as safe

[dusk idol]

yes, it does

[finite imp]

NUH UH

[dusk idol]

go test it in psyk

[flint garden]

fanfire can pierce like two whole groaners

[dusk idol]

legit

it’s got zealot throwing knife pen

[finite imp]

with 5 well placed zarona rounds you can cripple a dense horde

[strange crow]

So if I'm doing AoN + uncanny for shovel, what are the ideal perks? I can change both modifications unused if that helps

[flint garden]

meanwhile zarona killing 4 shotgunners in a single bullet

[finite imp]

i got a septuple kill with one round the other day god i wish i had recorded it

[civic bay]

portable cannon

[finite imp]

shotgunners love standing in lines

[sharp ember]

flak maniac is a safe choice, covers a broad range including both ragers

[dusk idol]

if the fanning revolver had old revolver pen it’d be on the pathway to being overtuned, just like how old revolver sits

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/rolling-eyes-gif-22773102

[dusk idol]

new revolver just sits in the shotgun level of power, usable, fun, but that’s all

[finite imp]

if they buff the bolter will people stfu about the revolver then

[strange crow]

So further increasing single-target with carapace is prob a no go then?

[finite imp]

if im sacrificing every other stat for damage I want the damage

[civic bay]

What's the horde clear combo for the new combat blade (dagger)?

1. H1H2 into L1H2 loop
2. H1H2 loop
3. L1H2 loop
4. light spam

or other? definitely no push attack or special since those lead into single target

only ran one mission with it so far and couldn't feel which is best, esp. since mine wasn't properly set up

[livid fractal]

hows this

[finite imp]

that bloodthirsty is a cool blessing

[dusk idol]

headtaker works nice in place of thrust, you could keep your blessings as they are and it’d grind well

[sharp ember]

it'll work if you really hate maulers and crushers

[dusk idol]

same with your perks

[tall torrent]

Thx

[dusk idol]

could swap cara for flak but personally I dunno if I’ve seen much mileage out of it outside of a few niche situations I’ve played

[sharp ember]

but if you primarily use the folded spike on them, i wouldn't take it unless it reduced your hits to kill them

[strange crow]

Standard issue shovel so no folding haha

As for carapce, I was just wondering bc I already have 20% carapce on the shovel and am considering saving the other modification for Uncanny Strike IV

[gilded rock]

So do you just get perma crit if you keep activated attack killing? Or is it like an on-off-on-off thing

[dusk idol]

it’s perma if you chain your specials one after another

[gilded rock]

That's sick

[sharp ember]

that should be fine then

[gilded rock]

I'm glad it's not the latter

[dusk idol]

I’ve been enjoying blood letter on mine though, since it applies full stacks of bleed on any tick of your special activation and you can dodge out of it

[strange crow]

Funnily enough I also have 20% flak armor damage, should I increase that one or carapace armor to 25%

[dusk idol]

let’s you do some damage even in risky situations where you need to play it safer

[candid tundra]

what do you guys think of this?

[civic bay]

honestly, I don't think it's worth using one of your two adjustments to boost 20% to 25% unless you're trying to hit something suuuuuper specific or your weapon got an amazing roll and you don't have to change anything else

[dusk idol]

replace sprint egg and thunder strike and it should be alright

efficiency*

[candid tundra]

what should I replace them to?

[strange crow]

I already got AoN IV so even if I upgrade my other blessing I'm gonna have a mod leftover

[sharp ember]

what ivia said, +5% probably won't change much so just upgrade the one you could possibly change to a different type entirely for experimentation

[dusk idol]

I’d probably go maniac and skullcrusher

[sharp ember]

basically decide what your permanent perk is

[candid tundra]

rather than uncanny?

[strange crow]

Alr so prob carapce then since flak is generally too useful to pass up on right?

[versed merlin]

id go for another shovel tbh

[sharp ember]

yeah

[versed merlin]

if i already had one to use in the meanwhile

[sharp ember]

replace Thunderstrike with Thrust and make a meme crusher 1-shot build

[dusk idol]

I only say skullcrusher to answer hordes since you have limb for crushers, but yeah it’s not the most ideal blessing setup

[sharp ember]

the built-in Carapace and Limbsplitter wants you to do it

[candid tundra]

yeah like there's so many blessings for the shovel that everyone says differently about; thrust, uncanny, skullcrusher, thunderstrike, All or nothing, limbsplitter, I have no fucking clue what to use lmao

[dusk idol]

depends on what you want the weapon for really

[versed merlin]

thats how versatile shovel is

[serene sage]

that's a krieg outfit guardsman :<

[dusk idol]

I personally just like versatility

so I typically go uncanny skullcrusher

[versed merlin]

yeah same

or uncanny decimator if you cant get skullcrusher

shouldnt be too diferent

[sharp ember]

I view shovel builds as either Horde Clear (skullcrusher), Generalist (Uncanny Strike), and Meme (Limbsplitter/Thrust)

[candid tundra]

so I could run thrust on this one for a crusher/elite killer and get a new shovel if I want one for hordeclear?

[sharp ember]

yeah

[crude ermine]

Yeah

[dusk idol]

yeah, could do

[candid tundra]

in theory, since this is the blessing I change

I could just

change it rather than get a new one

and alternate blessing to blessing

but I've never used limbsplitter

so idk

[tall torrent]

The meme limbsplitter + thrust build is just “fuck that guy specifically”

[candid tundra]

lmao

I also don't know if thunderstrike is all that bad

talked to @tall torrent about it and we think it could work?

[idle pecan]

which revolver is the one that rapid fires

[versed merlin]

agrip

[crude ermine]

The new one

[dusk idol]

XIV

[tall torrent]

It’s ok at fighting ragers

[crude ermine]

Not the zarona

I can't remember the names

[dusk idol]

mkII is old and mkXIV is new

[versed merlin]

agrip

agripinaa

fuck that name is hard

[dusk idol]

a gripper

[strange crow]

Agripenis

[sharp ember]

i wish limbsplitter was a rolling cooldown instead of resetting on any hit

[versed merlin]

agriculture

[dusk idol]

i grip in her

[candid tundra]

@sharp ember question for you

so thrust limbsplitter

is that like

usable for hordes

will I survive

or is it literaly just a meme

[candid tundra]

as for the perk should I replace 15 sprint efficiency for unyielding, flak, or maniac?

[versed merlin]

you will, but will likely take some time to kill the hordes

[sharp ember]

depends on how dead 'ard you are

[candid tundra]

I'm

well

decent..?

[sharp ember]

I do kinda use Thrust against hordes so you aren't entirely blessingless

charging up waiting for more to get in reach

[candid tundra]

right cause the mk3 has a horizontal heavy too right?

so you can alternate?

[sharp ember]

or charging up and dodging into them to whack them

[candid tundra]

you do use the mk3 right

[sharp ember]

yeah, it even has a light > heavy sweep combo

[candid tundra]

neat

[sharp ember]

heavy > light*

[candid tundra]

okay so

thrust limbsplitter is viable

it's fine that I omit like

uncanny or skullcrusher?

[junior grail]

Is this the new foldable shovel?

[sharp ember]

the mk3 one, yeah

[candid tundra]

also as for this?

[junior grail]

What about the green one? I lik3 the blue one more but wanna make the otger work too

[astral blade]

Hey

[junior grail]

Soul Sista

[candid tundra]

mk3 is the green one I think

blue is mk7

[astral blade]

What you guys talking about

[junior grail]

Shobels

[crude ermine]

Oversized spoons

[dusk idol]

poop spork

[candid tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/soldier-tf2-soldier-jumpscare-tf2-soldier-jumpscare-gif-25554720

[sharp ember]

Limbsplitter makes it really easy to reach crusher 1-shots, but it is workable to replace it with something else

[astral blade]

Ahhh vet shovels?

[junior grail]

Yea, trying to make mk3 work. I have Thrust and Skullcrusher on mine

[candid tundra]

I'm not the guy to ask

[sharp ember]

flak, maniac if you REALLY hate dreg ragers

[candid tundra]

rather than unyielding?

[junior grail]

Yessir

[crude ermine]

ONLY if you're tired of the average Seattle resident

[astral blade]

So what makes the shovels so damn good

Compared to the ps or Chainsword

[junior grail]

New Shovels special attack does massive insta damage

[candid tundra]

@sharp ember cause it's either I live with limbsplitter 3 and replace 15 stam for something good, or I live with 15 stam and get freedom for both blessings; what do you think?

[sleek cairn]

shovel is just a safe weapon

[sharp ember]

other than when being stuck in melee with bosses, don't really need it

[astral blade]

So on demand damage?

[finite imp]

They should make a latrine shovel that does poison damage

[sharp ember]

sprint efficiency isn't the worst, it's really up to you

[finite imp]

I wanna make a poo build vet

[astral blade]

I think poison damage would suit the combat knife better

[crude ermine]

I'd feel bad for the heretics if they were hit by that

But, I wouldn't

[candid tundra]

only reason I ask is cause I'm indecisive as fuck and haven't tested it yet, I just simply don't know

[finite imp]

Nah that's bleed all day long

[junior grail]

Original shovel is a average but super safe weapon to use.

The new ones have a high damage special attack that combined with the safety of shovels allow it to compete as a melee choice

[candid tundra]

I don't want to lock myself into a mistake

[crude ermine]

Ik that feeling

[finite imp]

That's gonna happen one way or another brotherrrd

[dusk idol]

you should just test what you have now in a game

[junior grail]

How do you poison a Nurglite?

[dusk idol]

it’s the best way you’re going to find out

[finite imp]

Use a different poison

[candid tundra]

😭

[sharp ember]

I got one just like that, due to non-perfect stat rolls I'm just barely shy of 1-shotting crushers with my talent build that still keeps all the essential talents

[crude ermine]

Cleaning detergent

[junior grail]

Medicine*

[candid tundra]

fair point

will do

[finite imp]

Cue circa survive music

[dusk idol]

just take it into a normal damnation, put it under some stress testing

determine where it falls short and yeah

all sweets

you’ll figure out what you want

[sharp ember]

i say change the perk and hard-dedicate this shovel as your meme limbsplitter power-bomb shovel

[finite imp]

Heat the metal to 900 degrees and see it's bend point to detect structural weakness

[junior grail]

Funny how Ogryn Shovel can oneshot Crushers

[livid fractal]

are all of the Kant lasguns good

[dusk idol]

they’re all usable, at least

[crude ermine]

Yeah

[junior grail]

I like a good Kant

[livid fractal]

whats the like
tier of models

[crude ermine]

I like the 12

Or whatever the Roman numeral is for it

[livid fractal]

12 is the slow firing one?

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-gif-24582703

[dusk idol]

1a is slightly better than 12 due to its similar damage profile and higher rate of fire

[astral blade]

Honestly might give the shovel a try

[livid fractal]

i wanted to give the fast firing one a try

[finite imp]

It's addictive

[dusk idol]

4 shoots extremely quickly to match the dps of the other two but can be unwieldy

[finite imp]

Shovels have a robust moveset that can answer a lot of threats

[sharp ember]

it's like a mini and more agile thunder-hammer

[astral blade]

Can it insta kill mutants?

[dusk idol]

once you get a handle on the recoil, she does well

[sharp ember]

easily

[finite imp]

Depends, can you land a heavy to its tiny dome

[sharp ember]

either with Thrust or slap Maniac perk on

[finite imp]

If so then yeah it will clear it

[astral blade]

Ahhh so my safest bet would be to stick with my Chainsword than

Ugh bummer

[wanton dawn]

Can a weapon besides thammer os mutie without weakspot hit ?

[crude ermine]

Won't hurt to give it a shot at least?

[candid tundra]

ok, thanks

[finite imp]

Give it a fucking shot or I'll cut your feet off

[astral blade]

It won’t hurt I guess

[grave cargo]

DPS isn’t often relevant

The question comes down to breakpoints

[candid tundra]

yeah @sharp ember just thanking you again, I do appreciate the help

[sharp ember]

[finite imp]

Dps? You have an entire second? You're funny

[astral blade]

Ugh I just realised I gotta update darktide when I finally get home

Mods and all

[finite imp]

Hell yeah

[grave cargo]

Dps is pretty much only a relevant metric for how well something performs in terms of hordes which no lasgun is particularly useful dealing with

[dusk idol]

yes, breakpoints are a factor, but the fact is that the 4 makes a trade off of lower damage and higher ROF to meet similar dps on paper

[low oar]

Counterpoint: flamers and other AoE/cones

Or the kanteral shotgun

[astral blade]

Can the shovel cause bleed?

[dusk idol]

not innately, only with vets bleed talent

[grave cargo]

With a perk

[astral blade]

Damn

[crude ermine]

Think of it like hitting a middle aged man

[astral blade]

…..well I guess I can do that

[crude ermine]

Exactly

Do what comes a
Natural

[torn needle]

[crude ermine]

Nice, blessings are great, perks are alright, not the worst

[near wyvern]

That stopping power is a tragedy and a half

[crude ermine]

Well, ignoring that

Ofc

[near wyvern]

Yeah, ignoring one of the most critical stats of a weapon, it's pretty alright >:P

[whole moon]

Vets, I need some help, which looks better?

[torn needle]

with both elite% and special% it one shot headshots all gunners and specials

So good enough for me

[dusk idol]

they all look the same

[crude ermine]

Opacity and color difference

[idle pecan]

is this good, or should i get blaze away

[crude ermine]

Nice, GH ain't bad but blaze away is probably the better choice

[idle pecan]

just rolled this, is it worth leveling?

want a funny gunslinger build

[torn needle]

What do y'all pick in the born leader cluster?

[whole moon]

I was advised its the perks more than the blessings that carry the Plasma and with 25% damage on 600 damage I can see why

[dusk idol]

low crit roll hurts

[crude ermine]

Yes, even if it ain't perfect it may have the blessings you need for a better one so you can extract it, but I'd say get it to glorification

[dusk idol]

but if you really want to it’s only like a 2 or 3% difference in crit chance

[idle pecan]

\

[torn needle]

For the emporer seems extremely mid

[dusk idol]

i take ability modifier and ignore the other two

[torn needle]

Tbf all the picks seem very mid

[torn needle]

Fair enough

[dusk idol]

ability mod is probably the most impactful choice for you as the player, born leader works alright in teams but it’s not that impressive if you’re sacrificing a better talent for it

[versed merlin]

welcome to vet

[dusk idol]

or even a keystone

[versed merlin]

jkjk

[idle pecan]

my build

[torn needle]

Vet has some crazy ass stuff on their tree

[crude ermine]

In the grand scheme of things they satisfy...something, but compared to other talents in the tree? Yeah there's a reason they're the last to cross the finish line

[torn needle]

Jjust not that cluster

[versed merlin]

yeah it has, i just wish the keystones were more impactful

[wanton dawn]

Born leader is yucky

[torn needle]

Only keystone worth anything is focus target imo

[dusk idol]

focus targets is pretty nice for my deadshot build

constant stam refund is good

[versed merlin]

i love weap spec, but its nodes are pretty mid

[torn needle]

Unless you run specific weapons with specialist like revolver

[crude ermine]

Deadshot revolver is fun

[versed merlin]

deadshot not needed if you run weap spec tho

[torn needle]

Spec nodes get melee speed and finesse bonus which is noice

[dusk idol]

deadshot revolver + focus target toughness and stam regen synergises very well, gives some toughness to the team which is a nice little bonus

though i use the fanning revolver to feel real cowboy-like

[versed merlin]

i like keystone, but it often doesnt feel consistent

[versed merlin]

tag keystone*

[lucid notch]

dis aint too bad

[dusk idol]

honestly i actually kinda like directing the team to prio targets i designate

[versed merlin]

i wish the other auras were more relevant too, but that doesnt seem like a vet only issue

[dusk idol]

their little neurons light up at the new colour tag and they just go crazy

[crude ermine]

I feel the yellow helps, I mean who wouldn't want to shoot a bright and yellow heretic

[versed merlin]

haha right? just like krak grenade

everyone focus the target you throw your kraks at

[crude ermine]

Krak, yellow, BB, the Trinity of people going crazy and shooting it on sight

[idle pecan]

i got blaze away on my plasma gun, are there any other changes i might want?

[dusk idol]

initially I wasn’t a big fan of the tag keystone, but after extended use

it’s definitely grown on me

[crude ermine]

I'd change the groaners perk

[dusk idol]

keep the groaner perk

assert dominance onto the horde

[wanton dawn]

Something something focus target being the most reliable dps increase

And less gimmicky

[dusk idol]

me fighting with my fellow vets tag

[torn needle]

Big true

[crude ermine]

No having to stand still or having to switch, just a simple tag

[torn needle]

Too bad focus target is on like the worst branch and the longest one

[crude ermine]

The Monkey's paw

[wanton dawn]

[crude ermine]

Or whatever it's called

[versed merlin]

standing still is rough man

[dusk idol]

worst branch?

[versed merlin]

i think its the most generalist and non-specific branch

[dusk idol]

cdr talent, iron will, ogryn monstro damage, rending

[versed merlin]

but it is usually where most of my points goes into

[crude ermine]

I never bothered learning what the 3rd vet aura does despite looking at it like how people look at homeless people at light stops

[jade notch]

+5% Movement Speed lol

[torn needle]

Is the 10% rending even worth anything?

[crude ermine]

Bruh

You're joking rigjr

Right*

[torn needle]

Like I can't see it hitting anyy new breakpoints

[versed merlin]

no lmao

[crude ermine]

What the fuck

[versed merlin]

ikr

[dusk idol]

Someone show me the math between brittleness and rending

[jade notch]

There's a reason why people here would rather pick Survivalist if the Talent tax isn't too steep

[crude ermine]

There is no scenario where that's needed

Hell even the second aura would satisfy something even if it's just as niche

[wanton dawn]

One is buff. Other is debuff. Thats it

[dusk idol]

gotta go fast

then in that case

[dusk idol]

10% rending is the equivalent of onslaught available all the time for all targets with no ramp up time

[crude ermine]

I would say the knife zel would love you for it but it's a 50/50 chance they stay in coherency

[dusk idol]

the difference being that it applies to you only and not your team

[crude ermine]

Well that's just dumb

[livid fractal]

on the Kant IV, what blessings do i want?

seems like Kant IV only has 1 dump stat and its mob

[jade notch]

Headhunter + Deadly Accurate, IIRC

[dusk idol]

headhunter and deadly accurate most likely

[torn needle]

But the ogyrn pick covers crushers anyway so it's only useful for maulers while the ogryn pick also works for monsters and bulwarks/reapers

[wanton dawn]

Rending works for more than carapace though

Also you can take both

[dusk idol]

it works against flak, maniac and unyielding iirc

[wanton dawn]

If needed

[dusk idol]

or maybe not maniac, dunno about that one tbh

[wanton dawn]

It does yes

[dusk idol]

well how about that

[crude ermine]

I don't get that but I won't complain about more rending targets

[wanton dawn]

In any case, rending is a reliable dmg increase across the board. It is a good pick although some weapon, like plasma, can skip it without too much worry

[crude ermine]

It never hurts to go for it, I typically bring it with revolver and other builds if I have spare points to use

[dusk idol]

it does help pad out the rending and carapace nerf revolver got

[crude ermine]

That nerf doesn't feel like much in the big picture, still a nerf nonetheless but I'm glad it wasn't worse

[dusk idol]

honestly playing vet it still feels the same as prior, dunno about the other classes

[wanton dawn]

Talent tree got better

Weapon were barely adjusted so same option got stronger

Rager got nerfed

[crude ermine]

Zel it feels kinda weaker

Not enough to make a big difference

[wanton dawn]

If it was not for fire bug this patch would be easier

[dusk idol]

yeah, makes sense, main selling points are still there on the old revolver

[crude ermine]

Oh yeah I forgot about the health nerf

Explains why I can one shot them now with a Crit revolv

[wanton dawn]

Plasma got way better

And it already was s tier

[dusk idol]

charge rate bug finally fixed let’s go

[wanton dawn]

Future bolter-like nerf incoming

[dusk idol]

only took more than half a year

[flint garden]

well yeah you still have 100% cara damage on crit

[idle pecan]

very smexy

[iron marten]

If you only had 65% on thermal resistance, it’ll be 10/10

[idle pecan]

what happens when its 65%

[iron marten]

65% gives 8 shots instead of 7 from 0%

[idle pecan]

ah ok

rip

[crude ermine]

Not the worst case

Least stopping power is good

[iron marten]

It’s still a 9/10 plasma

[idle pecan]

what should the crit chance on a revolver be?

[crude ermine]

Bonus Crit should be as high as possible

[idle pecan]

ah ok

so 61% is bad

[crude ermine]

It could be better

Yeah

[crude ermine]

Penetration and Crit bonus are top priority next to damage which is secondary

Mobility is a stat you shouldn't focus on with it

[ebon umbra]

vet ping keystone should be mute

actual balancing feature

you lose ears with build

[idle pecan]

what shoulld my curio stats focus on

wounds? max hp?

toughness?

[wanton dawn]

1 stam is a nice pick. Then either hp or thoughness

[torn needle]

Stam is comfy

I go all health after

[wanton dawn]

Problem with wound is that it does not guarantee a raise

[torn needle]

Though toughness is more viable now that fire doesn't one tap it

Other than fire one tapping you in general

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

Getting raised on fire be like

[versed merlin]

aint no toughness going to save you if a teammate rez you while you're downed in the fire pit

[torn needle]

It's broken but honestly it makes me laugh

Like I've had games wipe from a little tickle of fire deleting everyone and it's just silly

[cold shuttle]

Hey, I have a vet I don't play very much, but mainly run power sword. Is power cycler lvl3 worth getting or is it best to wait for lvl4?

[torn needle]

Use cycler 3 if you don't have 4

Better than none

[terse idol]

Yeep

[wanton dawn]

Not worth in melk unless you have a good amount of melk bucks

[cold shuttle]

yeah, its my third char and I'm not exactly rolling in it 😄

[torn needle]

April fools next year they should make bombers throw ogryn nukes as a fire bug reference

[flint garden]

surely hotfix soon™️

[torn needle]

Who would win

Newly power creeped rejects

Or fire

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/burning-office-spongebob-on-fire-gif-13729593

[crude ermine]

Went from a minor nuisance of losing toughness to a major threat of losing everything

Health, loved ones, your pet dog, toughness and the other 3 people

[wanton dawn]

Born leader should share thoughness loss

[torn needle]

After it's fixed everyones gonna get ptsd triggers when they hear a bomber

[torn needle]

Lmao

[iron marten]

I admit, I did this to other people when the update came out… forgive me, 2 wound players

[wanton dawn]

Its fine we had to learn

Trial by fire

[crude wind]

big sad

[iron marten]

On the upside, two wound players are winning, cause of the healing stim

Healing 50% of your health + corruption is insane

[wanton dawn]

It is a bit contrasted cuz med station got nerfed charge

[crude wind]

oh snap

I was wondering

med stations seem to have 1 charge quite commonly now

[terse idol]

😌

[crude wind]

can say with hand on heart, I equipped my first ever wound curio when patch 13 came out....

on Zealot

[little path]

enough about good weapons

what's the WORST gun?

[wanton dawn]

[crude wind]

Recons

[crude ermine]

The gun I don't like objectively

[wanton dawn]

Worst gun ? Probably a graia or smth nobody plays

At least ppl talk about recon

[slow spade]

Recon

Its just recon

[delicate lotus]

Is veteran compfy to level for person with questionable aiming skills?

[crude ermine]

It's comfy, vet has nice weapons that are friendlier

[spark helm]

You should fine.

Even if you're using stuff that isn't wrapped up in precision, it's not much of an issue unless you're just, missing stuff that's standing still or something for whatever reason.

[delicate lotus]

i just came back to DT the las time played was pre skill rework im almost done with leveling Ogry that only leaves Psyker and veteran

[terse idol]

Honestly vet is pretty alright for new players with questionable aim yrah
Most enemies will be standing still or charging you from the front so nothings too hard

[spark helm]

But I'm also replying like that assuming that there's nothing physically getting in the way of you improving: vision issues, hand stability (tremors), that kind of thing.

[delicate lotus]

Recommendations for weapons loadout and build

[spark helm]

Do you want something very safe, consistent and flexible?

[delicate lotus]

consitent since im not

[spark helm]

Safe, consistent, versatile and cheap to invest in. That'd be where I'd start.

If you're just now leveling a veteran, don't worry too deeply about weapons in the earliest levels. You can quite literally just take whatever in for your guns, assuming that you're also watching your talents and double-downing between level changes as you need to.

[cold shuttle]

yes please, I have little clue of what I'm doing 😄

[spark helm]

Very easy weapons to use with very little in the way of perk and blessing investment (this just means that whatever I'm recommending is probably going to be fine even without fancy stuff usually):

Plasma gun, Kantrael la infantry lasgun, one of the autoguns I can't remember rn, maybe another. These are generally just very solid weapons that are typically effective in most ranges with the plasma gun reigning in that very specific regarding when you consider the firepower.

I can dump a talent template.

Just s guideline of sorts, don't worry too deeply about getting it exactly as is of there's something you enjoy taking.

Gimme a sec.

[flint garden]

join zarona revolver enjoyers

[crude ermine]

I highly recommend the kantarel inf lasguns, their high ammo and good damage are very well rounded

[cold shuttle]

a template would be great

[minor iron]

Use revolver for one game and be cursed with never being able to go back to any other weapon

[cold shuttle]

I have a good rolled autopistol and its decent, but not exactly precise at long range 😄

hows the new revolver burnt?

[minor iron]

Meh imo

[crude ermine]

Normally I'd advocate for this but for questionable aim it's best to have them get the feelings of other guns before succumbing to the revolver cult

[minor iron]

Fun but not as practical as zarona unless you’re melee vet

[flint garden]

new revolver has lame cleave

[delicate lotus]

Dropping Template for talents would be very helpful

[crude ermine]

The penetration is meh compared to the zarona

[minor iron]

Shooting through ogryn ass is a very big plus of the zarona that the new one doesn’t have unfortunately

[versed merlin]

god i love this game, but there's nothing more that makes me want to uninstal this shit other than spam ping players

makes me regret my lifes decisions

[spark helm]

Let's assume that you're running the standard shovel and the basic las gun and level 30.

So the primary concept with this build is three things: firstly, when you have access to the talents necessary, the bulk of your utility is split between three siginifcant things: your dmg output on your las gun for enemies that are already very vulnerable to your damage with it; your toughness generation from the first two slots in combination with Born Leader and the full keystone array for middle tree; and your "failsafes" with stun immunity on toughness break and Voice of Command with its toughness boost.

Ideally, you'll want to be making strong use of your heavy attacks with the shovel. The single attacks aren't terrible but you're looking to control crowds and score cleaving headshots. The shovel is just that great vs normal hordes. Use your special attack against isolated rager and carapace units (Maulers and Crushers) to stun them and just continue with heavies. If there's a cluster of them, mark one of them with your focus target and throw a krak grenade. Krak grenades and your 1min. cd nade gen are critical.

The rest for utility is really just like taking nade gen on specialist takedowns because your choice of weapon is very good at killing most things that of that class that also has a gun. You don't have to take it once you're used to dense gun fights, but taking the suppression immunity talent is a strong boost to safety on riskier plays/just teaching yourself how to play against suppression units with (less) hassle.

You can use different weapons as you get them. To maximize the conceptual safety of this, combo it with a plasma gun and power sword and maybe make some adjustments to the talents on the bottom left if you're confident enough.

Oh yeah CRITICAL part: DO NOT BE AFRAID TO PING UNITS EVEN IF YOUR STACKS AREN''T MAXED. Anything killed with add cumulatively to the stacks and then refresh for every killed pinged target.

[crude ermine]

You'll usually have the 50/50

The ones who barely ping and makes you wonder if they have it unbinned

Or the ones who do it too much, unless they have focus target

[mellow adder]

Hey guys, what's the difference between the MK Lasguns? I tested out MK 1 and 2 and the feel the same but 3 has a different melee attack

[jade notch]

The Hellbores?

[mellow adder]

yhea

[nimble sentinel]

2 fast 3 slow 1 middle

[jade notch]

^

Differences are in Charging Speed, Uncharged and Charged Shot Damages, and Ammo usage per Shot, IIRC

[nimble sentinel]

3 bayonet poop 1 and 2 good

[umbral scaffold]

Which one is best tho

[nimble sentinel]

What arv said but I’m crawling out of bed at the moment

[mellow adder]

Ah ty!

[spark helm]

@cold shuttle & @delicate lotus

[torn needle]

What blessing shoukd I swap?

[spark helm]

just in case it got sucked up in the chat.

[crude ermine]

Honestly both of them are pretty good

[nimble sentinel]

Completely up to preference. 3 kills big batards in one hit, 2 shots a lot of things real fast, 1 gets the best of both worlds

They might just be one of the best balanced weapon categories

[crude ermine]

3 more damage

2 faster fire

1 is the chocolate and vanilla duel cone icecream basically

[torn needle]

I got shattering 4 and gets hot 4

I could just make gets hot t4 I guess

[crude ermine]

Then I'd put gets hot 4

[nimble sentinel]

Oh duck I could go for some soft served goodness rn

[umbral scaffold]

If you were a Krieg trooper which one you'd choose?

[versed merlin]

can someoen giv me a helbore loadout? got this bad boy on melk the other day

[crude ermine]

I just had one yesterday, a lot more expensive for some reason tho

[nimble sentinel]

Death. Steel Legion forever

[wide anvil]

I think you just change Weakspot to like... Unyielding or Carapace probably?

Onslaught's really nice, I find it hard to replace

Does Helbore have that one blessing that increases Crit on Weakspot hit?

[versed merlin]

no

[nimble sentinel]

But actually the 2 is what got me dumping crazy amounts of hours into this game

[crude ermine]

Don't think so

[wide anvil]

Hm then Surgical is probably the most important

[spark helm]

I'm still learning how to be comfortable with hellbore but yeah, those two blessings are the ones I see the most.

[versed merlin]

what about loadouts?

[jade notch]

Hellbores don't have Headhunter, no. But Surgical is arguably better i terms of consistency.

[crude ermine]

I gave up on it even if I only got the Krieg set to cosplay as it

[wide anvil]

Yeah that Helbore's kind of already solid ngl

[crude ermine]

Would I say money down the drain? No

[versed merlin]

i've never used one of these before so i have no idea what i should be looking for

[wide anvil]

How about the one that is Crit Weakspot Damage? I forgot the name of it

[spark helm]

You can probably just upgrade onslaught to tier 4 if you can and maybe take 25% vs maniacs over weak spot.

[jade notch]

Deadly Accuracy, and sadly Hellbores don't get it.

[wide anvil]

Ah damn imagine if it did

[crude ermine]

If it did that'd be cool

[wide anvil]

Literally a sniper

Yeah you can just keep the blessings and change Weakspot Damage Perk to Carapace or Unyielding, Idunno which would be more potent

And then for loadouts, a good melee to deal with defense and uh

[versed merlin]

haha to think i spent nearly 20k plasteel on vraks just to find this helbore sitting in melks hahaha

[jade notch]

If you don't mind running Onslaught 3 instead 4, just change the Perks to +25% Flak/Maniac Damage and you're gucci

[wide anvil]

I guess you either run that Volley Fire or Invisibility xd

[versed merlin]

stealth it is then

[wide anvil]

Executioner's Stance / Infiltrate Build with Marksman's Focus / Focus Target

[versed merlin]

oh pls not the marksman focus

[wide anvil]

I mean that's if you want to

I ain't saying it's good

[crude ermine]

You can always skip Markman and allocate those points to something else

[wide anvil]

I'll get called a cringe nae nae baby if I ever said it was good

[jade notch]

Hellbores with Surgical are really good with the Shock Trooper Talent, btw

I find that I barely ever need to pick up ammo if I'm running that combo

[spark helm]

Marksman's Focus is interesting, just a lot of people aren't going to risk managing it when you can do much safer things. /shrug

[wide anvil]

I mean it's the fact that moving if you don't get a headshot kill fucks up your stacks

[chilly sandal]

Is marksmans focus the crabwalk one?

[wide anvil]

It's really not as bad as people make it out to be but it takes more work to make use of, yeah

[jade notch]

Yes

[wide anvil]

Focus Target is basically just better

[jade notch]

I just accept that I'll lose the stacks in-transit and regen more Stacks by clicking on Poxwalker heads.

[chilly sandal]

God I hate that keystone

[wide anvil]

You point at a dude and say "fuck this guy"

And then that guy dies

Ez

[crude ermine]

Yeah

Or for some reason they ignore the obvious yellow flamer and I'm stuck in a career match with him that lasts a few seconds

[wide anvil]

Bouta flame my teammates harder than what that Flamer could ever do fr

Am jk I never do that

Only in my head

:c

[crude ermine]

Same, I'd never have the guts to flame someone outright, I'll give them Tips on what not to do but not flame

[versed merlin]

o frick

stealth consumes way too much points

gotta go exec stance

unless i take smoke nade and the vrom vrom 5% mov speed aura

[sharp ember]

i threw a smonk grenade and someone got confused because they said they forgot that existed

[versed merlin]

something like this?

[versed merlin]

lmao cant blame them really

[sharp ember]

i think a 5-reaper killwall was a valid occasion to smonk up

and he got scared and thought it was some kind of enemy action

[chilly sandal]

How to build smonk build?

[crude ermine]

It's as rare as the average steak my grandpa gets

[sharp ember]

smonk build is more like melee/infiltrate build with smonk to save points

[crude ermine]

What does smoonk even do

[sharp ember]

you don't have to use them too often but they're good when the need arises

[crude ermine]

Minus the whole smoke thing

[chilly sandal]

I try to make smonk work but I feel like I'm griefing my teammates

[crude ermine]

Obviously

[chilly sandal]

I need my traxis 420

[wide anvil]

Cadian surprise pack

[sharp ember]

bad guys including specials (except sniper) cannot see, and will either hesitate, blindfire your last known location, or run inside to do melee if they're a close-range type

[wide anvil]

God I WISH it broke Sniper line of sight

Those dudes have some crazy tech to see through smoke

[sharp ember]

it is a very good idea to drop smoke on your team's holdout position because it stops flamers and trappers from shooting through a horde

[wide anvil]

They will never notice your big IQ move though :c

[sharp ember]

throwing smonk towards normal shooters is not a great idea if your team is working on killing them, but throwing them at elite shooter patrols is OK because you can ping them

[spark helm]

You can still tap stuff to stall even if briefly. It's one of those talents that regardless of the numbers, it's literally wrapped up in the player needing to interact with it in order for it to function.

[wide anvil]

Yeah I know that part

But that extra bit of effort puts people off

[spark helm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wide anvil]

I sure as hell would try it but I can imagine it being very "meh" in a dense horde situation

[spark helm]

I wouldn't recommend it for beginners with zero familiarity with games like this just because of that alone.

Been really trying to test out the flow of things for myself. Uh. Imma need that marksman focus actually lmao.

it's kind of funny.

[wide anvil]

I mean you find a good spot and suddenly you're unloading like a madman

[spark helm]

I just run exe stance and other fun bitties.

[wide anvil]

Voice of Command + Mark 3 Shovel for me

I WILL dig your grave

Don't test me

Weapons Specialist has been very fun

[spark helm]

So, at least on paper, I'm not allowing shooters to even have a chance to do anything.

And inevitably when specialists and elites get involved, exe stance is back up, it's been on for the las two minutes. We're fine lol

If I Demolition Team, and I often do, if I'm not doing it then someone else is.

For a build that's really really hard for assisting with information I double-down on it in exe stance and sacrifice idk...

some other shit but whatever

[wide anvil]

Is Demo Team more worth than Iron Will on a melee Vet actually? I've been trying to fuck around with it and Iron Will sounds a bit too good to pass up since I'm already running Grenade gen very 60 secs

[spark helm]

EVERYONE CAN SEE.

[wide anvil]

Hard for me to take both on the build I'm running, I gotta re-optimize

[jade notch]

I'd take Iron Will over Demo Team, personally, but that's because I use my Grenades less than a dedicated Grenadier build

[wide anvil]

Or just look for an actual melee Vet build kek

[spark helm]

I wouldn't say so unless you maybe have a gun on you that clears lines of specialists or just are getting melee specialists. It's not a bad talent at all if you like that kind of utility but for safety's sake Iron Will is much much better.

[wide anvil]

Gotcha gocha

[spark helm]

I'm greedy and take both. Except for this current build I'm about to run soon.

when I'm running las gun exe stance I take it every time.

[crude ermine]

Just manifest an extra 1 point for it smh

[spark helm]

It's just free grenades at the speed I play at for those styles.

On topf of just everyone else killing shit too.

[sharp ember]

demo team is for pure grenade builds, because all grenade nodes is the secret 4th keystone

[spark helm]

It's true.

[sharp ember]

i need to remake mine because the update exploded my grenadier loadout

[versed merlin]

ok

helbore is pretty cool

[crude ermine]

Most of my builds got blown apart from the revolver, I had a boltgun one but I don't feel like making that one again

[spark helm]

Unless something fucked up happens to las guns as a class of guns, I require so so very little on my veteran.

Or if like idk

[crude ermine]

The rapid fire ones that used to go hard did get nerfed a while back, haven't used them in a while to see how they are

The uh, accatran thingys I think is the name

[spark helm]

krak nades get shafted and psword somehow gets thrown down hard.

then I might have a scenario.

[crude ermine]

Wait no that's from an entirely different game

[spark helm]

But nothing I don't already have other weapons for /shrug

[ivory rock]

[sharp ember]

now to see if hadron destroys it

[ivory rock]

Can't watch her break it if I'm BROKE

[crude ermine]

Oh god don't think that

[whole moon]

She wouldnt do that on a Sunday morning would she? Lol

[ivory rock]

Tryna reperk some other shiz rn but the eternal meme hits

[iron marten]

This sure is the strangest way to cope!

Reverse psychology

[ivory rock]

I call it the Adam22 method

[frank island]

Quick draw revolver good

[patent valley]

if doing a weapon specialist build, or just u constantly switching weapons

[delicate lotus]

which voice line would you guys recommend?

[patent valley]

but if doing weapon specialist, u dont even need quick draw, u can already get 100% crit chance

[patent valley]

be the salty cadian

[frank island]

No it’s just nice having a revolver with a speed loader

[crude ermine]

The loose cannon

[delicate lotus]

what i select for that?

[crude ermine]

For cadian

[patent valley]

cuthroat or something

the cut throat

anyway, definitely not the professional and the loose cannon voice line

[crude ermine]

If he sounds aggressive it's probably him

Lile

Very aggrr

Aggressive

[patent valley]

very angry man

and i made my cadian short

very small angry man

[crude ermine]

Oh god lil dog energy

[patent valley]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-triggered-funny-angry-sharp-teeth-gif-14810023

[hybrid token]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[crude ermine]

Close to being pretty good, if only it had headtaker

Actually tbh the weapon is nice on its own outright even without it

[patent valley]

??

tf?

headtaker?

[hybrid token]

headhunter

[sharp ember]

headhunte-