veteran-class

[sleek cairn]

smoke negates it, try it in psykhanium

[mystic belfry]

Gives you time to revive mid horde

[sleek cairn]

yup

no fire, no dogs, im freeee

smoking!

[mystic belfry]

Without needing the scrub trap debuff to your shout

[torn needle]

Look if fs makes smokes delete bomber fire I'd consider running them

[bitter turtle]

the revive should would be legit

[astral blade]

Only thing I hate about krak nades is the under hand throw doesn’t lock on to carapace

[bitter turtle]

if it workredon rescues

imagine

[astral blade]

Anymore

[torn needle]

Copy it from cs2

[terse idol]

Also loose cannon is funny

[bitter turtle]

if you ran knife + revive shout

[umbral scaffold]

came back to this game after hella long (last i played was early access), there's so many new weapons and stuff and new talent trees, quite lost honestly

[bitter turtle]

and just evade till the rescue area and revive all 3 lul

[terse idol]

"TRAXIS SOMETHING... SOMETHING... KILL EEET"

[mystic belfry]

Never ever revive shout

[bitter turtle]

i wanted to do that but then I shouted and it did nothing

[mystic belfry]

Not evne once

[topaz lance]

Make it delete all fire (bomber and flamer) and beast of nurgle puke.

[bitter turtle]

WORTHLESS node

[sleek cairn]

but u're literally bocchi

@umbral scaffold just pick up a columnus

[umbral scaffold]

ong

[mystic belfry]

Use the new revolver

it's dope

[terse idol]

Honestly shout revive is soft grief

[torn needle]

Oh you just reminded me, dome also cheeses beast of nurgle hard

[terse idol]

get revived into 3 over heads

[gray belfry]

revive shout sounds good on paper until you realise it has a 1 minute cooldown and less range so you cant use it as a 'get this fucking horde off me' option anymore

[torn needle]

True

[sleek cairn]

have u tried reviving them in bomber fire

[mystic belfry]

unironically, but not because of the overheads

[sleek cairn]

i hard grief

[mystic belfry]

it's because of the lower uptime

Shout more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shout revive

[sleek cairn]

stand on a box and revive them in the updated fire. they might rage quit

[terse idol]

Yeah

[astral blade]

“Find me now you fraggers”

[umbral scaffold]

i tried the new revolver, quite ok

[gray belfry]

im playing veteran to shout more, not less

[terse idol]

The base time with the cool down reset is tooo valuable

[mystic belfry]

New revolver is not my favorite gun in the game

[umbral scaffold]

only issue is melee

[sleek cairn]

lol i watched a guy accidentally do it. he revived a guy in fire twice and his body instantly ragdolled.

[mystic belfry]

Not by anymeans the best gun in the game, just my favorite

[umbral scaffold]

power sword kinda sucks for me idk why

[bitter turtle]

i hope they're not done with vet tree changes tbh

[mystic belfry]

I know why

[gray belfry]

who cares about meta when its as fun as it is to use

[umbral scaffold]

powered up hits only last like two heavies which is

[torn needle]

Someone did that to me yesterday and revived me in bomber fire and I just instantly fell over LMAO

[bitter turtle]

swap surv/frag into the middle lane if you want to leave smoke nades as garbo as they are now

[sleek cairn]

funniest shit really.

[mystic belfry]

Are you using 3 or 6

[terse idol]

Like, reviving with infiltrate or stealth, cool but folks gotta learn how to revive safe, because the 3 rager revive isn't goooood

[umbral scaffold]

3

[terse idol]

And shout revive is sooo not good

[mystic belfry]

That's part of your problem :v

[terse idol]

[sleek cairn]

I'll revive them under the most intense pressure, do not worry

ur gonna get up and u're going to like it

[umbral scaffold]

idk when i got this but as i said last i played was early access or something

[sleek cairn]

there's nothing he can do but spectate me

[mystic belfry]

Sometimes I'll risk a 90% chance of death to revive someone

[terse idol]

Gonna get up like

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-time-gif-2822468507363798988

[mystic belfry]

Othertimes I'll stay with dead fish eyes as they despawn

[torn needle]

Change to flak and maniac and you got a good sword

[astral blade]

“Low profile engaged redeploying”

[mystic belfry]

🤔 Why did you put weak spot damage on it

[gray belfry]

i got a mk6 with pc4 and rampage 4. shits funny

[mystic belfry]

Do not use flak with power swords

[umbral scaffold]

i think i got that off melk

[mystic belfry]

Maniac + Elite/Carapace/Unyielding

[torn needle]

What would you recommend?

[sleek cairn]

using unyielding on power swords!

[torn needle]

Unyield big yeah

[mystic belfry]

I use elite on power swords

[astral blade]

Don’t know why but I love professional ver infiltration voice lines

[gray belfry]

maniac unyield on mine

[sleek cairn]

most ppl unyielding i see

smart smart vets.

[mystic belfry]

Maniac Elite

[sleek cairn]

or elite

cuz u couldnt pick a side and stay in it

[mystic belfry]

Carapace is the best one if your damage is a bit low on your roll

To get your two-shot

[torn needle]

My ps6 naturally rolled flak 25 and sprint eff so I had to take what I can get..

[mystic belfry]

What blessings

[gray belfry]

pain. it is what it is

[sleek cairn]

time to turn it into ordos

Shame.

[astral blade]

Wait does krak nades track carapace if thrown under arm

[torn needle]

A dead one and sunder 4, so I swapped the dead one to cycler 4

[mystic belfry]

... Ouch

[torn needle]

So it's flak/maniac sunder/cycler

[cedar pecan]

I can change one thing, what should it be?

[mystic belfry]

At least you have cycler and maniac I suppose

[sleek cairn]

headhunter?

[torn needle]

Sunder cleave feels fine

[mystic belfry]

it's usable

[sleek cairn]

u have deadly accurate but do u have the crit to keep it up

[idle carbon]

I've got this mk7 shovel
pretty sure I could swap infested to flak, and thrust to decimator? basically make it like the OG shovel, which this basically is

[cedar pecan]

Instead of salvo?

[sleek cairn]

idunno ur crit

its just a guess

[torn needle]

I have bm4 unlocked so I just need to roll more

But I'm poor

[mystic belfry]

Just leave the blessings

[sleek cairn]

yes but if u have a lot of crit..

because u dont get good value out of deadly accurate without crit

[cedar pecan]

I don't really know, I've been trying to find a good build

[mystic belfry]

I feel ya

[idle carbon]

flak/maniac it is then

[sleek cairn]

then lets assume u want headhunter so u can use deadly accurate better

it'll help

[torn needle]

Are plasma blessings even worth going for if you don't care for crit?

[mystic belfry]

You probably want maniac or unarmored on that lasgun

[cedar pecan]

What about the crit damage perk, is that ok to keep?

[sleek cairn]

tbh i have no idea what u should do about the perk

[mystic belfry]

Gets Hot + Gloryhunter or Blaze Away

Don't worry about crits, they just add value passively

[torn needle]

Blaze away seems like the only decent one

Is shattering not that strong?

[mystic belfry]

You don't shoot enemies many times each

Gets Hot is the best one, actually

[sleek cairn]

would u use ur plasma on a boss

[torn needle]

Mine has get hot 4

[mystic belfry]

I melee bosses.

[sleek cairn]

i know

but would u

[torn needle]

I mean yeah, why not if you can't get in melee at a moment

[mystic belfry]

Good good, just slap on gloryhunter or blazy away and you're good to go

[torn needle]

Also plasma knocks down the twins on headshot

[mystic belfry]

I mean, it's damage, I guess

[whole moon]

on my fkn Psyker... thanks Brunt... knob

[sleek cairn]

lol just finding a way to make the blaze argument better

not really serious

[mystic belfry]

Blaze away is good, but really only comes into it's own during spamfire in auric missions imo

[sleek cairn]

but why would somebody not run auric in this chat

hmm

[torn needle]

I think plasma with %elite and maniac plus long shot hits dreg gunner headshot one shot..

[mystic belfry]

idk

Auric is fun

[torn needle]

And still hits special one shots

[sleek cairn]

if they're asking for help, i assume they are playing a difficulty high enough to force them here for questions lol

[whole moon]

I embarrased myself so badly last Auric, I'm still feeling it. ashamed to show my face in the queues

[torn needle]

Auric is big fun

[sleek cairn]

oh shit, which region

Its time to add Kal

i gotta be there for u kal

[mystic belfry]

No one cares go back in

[whole moon]

lol EU for me but funny times

[torn needle]

I'm trying out vet now because psyker got a little stale, and true aim got fixed

[sleek cairn]

noo another EU

[mystic belfry]

I'm central but I like just playing with randoms mostly

[sleek cairn]

@whole moon be truthful, did u get grabbed by every mutant

or maybe get hit by every poxburster

[mystic belfry]

Bonked by poxwalkers

[whole moon]

woke both DHs then forgot I had a bossmelter Ogryn build then kept trying to res a player surrounded. ALL the tactical mistakes in one round 😦

[mystic belfry]

Solid

[sleek cairn]

not ONE but two DH's?

holy shit.

[mystic belfry]

Grief maxing

[sleek cairn]

i can't live that down

[whole moon]

yup 😦 ashamed

[sleek cairn]

i'd just die inside

[mystic belfry]

I once woke up a demonhost because my team wouldn't stop shooting fucking pox bursters in my face

That's the actual only thing in the game you can do to get me tilted

[torn needle]

When the martyr thammer zealot goes up to the sleeping dh and bonks her so hard the health bar doesn't even appear

[sleek cairn]

not even rescuing ur body on bomber fire?

until u ragdoll?

[mystic belfry]

That's just minorly annoying

[sleek cairn]

what about taking marking keystone and tapping in rhythm to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnQm2_cAZvo

[torn needle]

Or when someone shoots a yellow barrel you are next to with an automatic weapon and blows it up instantly

[sleek cairn]

i will find what makes u break Ascend

[mystic belfry]

Don't care, friendly trolling

[sleek cairn]

loool damnit

[mystic belfry]

I just told you

[sleek cairn]

ONLY poxbursters in ur face?

[mystic belfry]

Litterally only

[sleek cairn]

how is that one scenario so much more triggering

[mystic belfry]

it just is

[sleek cairn]

so even if Kal wakes up two demonhosts consecutively

[torn needle]

Do you play martyr zealot ascend?

[mystic belfry]

it's worse than actual dilberate griefing

[mystic belfry]

I mean, sometimes I guess?

That's not why though

[sleek cairn]

maybe it's the feedback of getting thrown in to the sky

[torn needle]

I'll give you some health syringes cuz your health is looking a bit low

[mystic belfry]

MFW you wake up a demon host

[sleek cairn]

poxbursters sure disrespect

a little corruption, a little toss in the sky

[mystic belfry]

MFW the tenth fucking pox burster blows up in my face

I will litterally start pushing pox bursters at them after the second time

[torn needle]

Make sure to blow them up in front of ascend at the right angle to get a ledge fall too

[sleek cairn]

play rocket league with his body

but have u thought of just.. not pushing the poxburster

letting it hop on them

even if u tried to push it towards them, they'll blow it up in ur face again

u wont win that trade

[mystic belfry]

My favorite thing in the game is also oddly specific

Linebackers throwing people directly into the death void

No ledge grab just dead

[sleek cairn]

that's really rare right

[mystic belfry]

Yeah

[sleek cairn]

they're programmed not to do it lol

[mystic belfry]

Cracks me up whenever it happens

[umbral scaffold]

Mag gloves can work so far

[torn needle]

More barrels have killed me with instant death falls from my team blowing them up than they've been remotely useful

[sleek cairn]

usually its on auric maelstrom with the "extra barrels and poxbursters" mod

[torn needle]

I stay away from all barrels

[umbral scaffold]

I hit all of them

[mystic belfry]

Naaah, fire barrels are love, fire barrels are life

[umbral scaffold]

He gets it.

[torn needle]

All barrels deserve removal

[mystic belfry]

They let me clutch

let let me horde clear

[sleek cairn]

i mean its not the fire barrels i dislike

[tardy turtle]

If I see a barrel I shoot at it before team moves up

[frank saffron]

The fucking revolver vet whenever 30 ragers spawn but he wont stay back with team

[sleek cairn]

lool

[mystic belfry]

They toast my feet when I play marytr

[sleek cairn]

i mean you would win. but not that guy apparently

[frank saffron]

Its either that or a zealot most of the time

[frank saffron]

Nah swarmed plus other adds and hes far up

[sleek cairn]

i mean, u underestimate his power

maybe he'll find a door and spam E

kek

[frank saffron]

Ah i guess i found him

[frank saffron]

This u? @sleek cairn

[umbral scaffold]

When the swarm of ragers swarms for the 14th time in less then 2 minutes

[sleek cairn]

me? not with team is definitely not me

[sleek cairn]

but # of any units in a congaline? im there

[umbral scaffold]

YEEEEEAAAHHH!!!

[sleek cairn]

gimme a door to spam E to boot

[torn needle]

My power sword hungers for the ragers

[frank saffron]

In b4 4 flak ragers come from behind to give you some devious backshots

[mystic belfry]

My above exe stance fanfire build melts rager swarms btw

Absolutely dumpsters them

[torn needle]

I want to SLICE them

[sleek cairn]

im not afraid of ragers usually.. lol

i just dive right in, i mean we have VoC, wuts to worry about

[mystic belfry]

Also claw sword shits on ragers swarms too

[south garnet]

OK here we go

[umbral scaffold]

I know this its Vets, but I love beating the absolute shit... out of ragers as Ogryn.

[sleek cairn]

lets not even talk about ps6 vs ragers lol even easier i assume

[torn needle]

Best ps6 is probably cycler/bm right?

[mystic belfry]

Yes

[idle carbon]

ya

[umbral scaffold]

Lol

[idle carbon]

any PS version will shit on ragers, heavy swipes can stagger groups

[mystic belfry]

ps6 is safer

You can poke mid combo

[torn needle]

The poke into strike down is so gooooood

[sleek cairn]

but hes right if theres a vet not with his team, hes playing it risky. u never know if a trapper is hiding behind a bulwark

thats when ascend's plasma comes out

pew

[mystic belfry]

I don't run plasma with ps6

[idle carbon]

no kill like overkill

[sleek cairn]

well, wutever melee u use then

i just run rashad ok? im ignorant

i chop stuff

[mystic belfry]

PS6, laspistol, krak

Bulwurks get fed krak

[umbral scaffold]

A team who chops together, stays together.

[mystic belfry]

Rashad is good

[sleek cairn]

chop suey

[umbral scaffold]

Bless you

[whole moon]

I do like a good Rashad horde chop

[sleek cairn]

good? u mean great.

[whole moon]

it loves a head hitbox

[sleek cairn]

im gonna be honest, i chop legs too lol it still one shots

[whole moon]

I do legs whenever I see a welding helmet

[sleek cairn]

very satisfying to see the actual head lop off

thats probably why i cant peel off of it

i like the subtle head lopping off. I dont notice it as much on power sword

[umbral scaffold]

Long as I'm choppin up heretics I'm happy.

[sleek cairn]

im probably a little too happy with rashad, i keep getting overly aggressive

[mystic belfry]

NO BAD

[pastel geode]

I hope they give us a M40 autogun at some point

[mystic belfry]

HEAD ONLY NO LEG

[sleek cairn]

😦

yes sir

[mystic belfry]

Good man

[sleek cairn]

i will correct my ways.

[mystic belfry]

I believe in you

[sleek cairn]

but what if i told u my plasma still headshots when im trying to aim at sniper toes

i can't help it

i have to aim at the legs

[mystic belfry]

Plasma has massive weakpoint hitbox it's easy

[sleek cairn]

sometimes im not sure i know how to aim at all

[mystic belfry]

But rashad must hit heads

leverage that brutal momentum for all it's worth

[sleek cairn]

lol i went overkill on the rashad breakpoints, i can actually oneshot no matter where so Brutal momentum lets me keep on

[mystic belfry]

No

[sleek cairn]

does it not?

[mystic belfry]

Weakspot kills only

[sleek cairn]

oh shit ur right

[mystic belfry]

Yep

[sleek cairn]

i guess thats the aspd adrenaline in me making me think

no jokes then, heads

[mystic belfry]

You suffer from the same thing that makes people think sunder is as good as brutal momentum

Skill issue or mistaking normal cleave for being equivalent to BM :v

[sleek cairn]

no i dont suffer, i really dont try to aim for legs lol

i really do want BM to hit 4 primary targets

[mystic belfry]

Smh backtracking now

[sleek cairn]

i regret my ways

let me correct them

[mystic belfry]

Yes

[sleek cairn]

for rashad, anything

[mystic belfry]

Chop head

[sleek cairn]

dont wave ur pee-sword in my face tho, i wont take it up

[mystic belfry]

Rashad + Old revolver with weapon specialist is digusting

[sleek cairn]

Disgusting? im a practical god with it

[mystic belfry]

Exactly

[sleek cairn]

but that's where it gets tricky, u feel so unstoppable u just.. charge in

start getting cocky lol

[mystic belfry]

https://youtu.be/8yyAgk9der4

[sleek cairn]

need a way to tone it down

[mystic belfry]

Just dodge more

You can dodge side to side while still mowing hordes like dry grass

[muted knot]

Hey is the bayonet bug still in the game ?

[sleek cairn]

where the cockiness fails me is playing the game on mute listening to music

thats how cocky u can get

"wut poxburster? didnt hear one; dont care."

tbh i think it's more so VoC making me cocky

if theres a single part of vet that's made me overly confident, it's probably VoC

[mystic belfry]

No but you don't need it

[mystic belfry]

Can turn the ingame music off to switch out what you're listening to, but leave game sounds on silly goose

Listen to some nice doom music :)

[sleek cairn]

i know sigh im stupid

i get in to the groove

[mystic belfry]

Nope that's not the groove

[torn needle]

Listen to the most relaxing music

[mystic belfry]

The groove is when the brain stops thinking and you murder and react in like a quarter of the time

you're experiencing the skill issue smh

[south garnet]

the idea of playing this game with the sound off is absolutely psychotic

[sleek cairn]

it's like a self handicap. im grooving to the music not the game

dont worry its not even for teammates, usually solos too. even more psychotic

[south garnet]

yea it's basically playing with a blindfold on

[sleek cairn]

i dont bring down others

i wouldnt play seriously with the game on mute, that'll probably get me death threats

and uh, a lot of cussing

[south garnet]

it's very easy to tell who can't hear the game during a match, that's for sure

[chilly sandal]

Or see

Or anything lol

[sleek cairn]

on a real note, im not so sure some of my teammates care

[south garnet]

I don't really care if someone does it so long as they don't expect me to carry their slack and go out of my way to keep them alive

[sleek cairn]

im pretty certain they have sound on lol

but they still die

to... surprise poxbursters

cuz if its anything that kills me 100% on muted game, it's surprise poxbursters. u have no idea they're coming around the corners

it's madness

[umbral scaffold]

tried ps6 feels hella slow compared to 3

[sleek cairn]

but it really is faster to handle enemies

[mystic belfry]

Light attack to horde clear. Push attack -> light attack for single targets

Cancel your charge animation with block

You can't sprint at full speed while using charge, it's the only real tradeoff

[south garnet]

reciprocity affects ranged attacks too right?

I'm just double checking I haven't been goofing this entire time

[sleek cairn]

ask @mystic belfry i've definitely been humiliating myself

[torn gorge]

new laspistol seems not great due to damage on maniacs?

[abstract moth]

Hmmm why people are disliking the new las pistol? Is pretty cool I do 200 damage per shot could use improved fire rate but aside that nitpick I think is pretty alright

[bright cliff]

only heard good things about new laspistol

if staggering is the issue just take a melee that can handle ragers easier

[mystic belfry]

I prefer the old model

[abstract moth]

Oh cool! I only saw people only writing they didn't feel too good with it

I like both

[mystic belfry]

I don't really like how the new handels

Just feels worse mostly

[bright cliff]

people seem to only want to take the best two items at any given time but people often lose out on some neat weapons by refusing to take another that accomodates its playstyle

can't fault for feel though. stats are less important to me than how the gun feels.

[abstract moth]

They should've done 2 las pistol new one in right hand and other in left

[bright cliff]

dear shatfark, please let me dual wield shredder pistols so I can become the ammo vacuum I was born to be

[misty lance]

what are the best blesings for this autogun?

[abstract moth]

Honestly to me the new las pistol feels like a revolver but is laser

[bright cliff]

ooh I know this one! dumdum first, then either fire frenzy or deathspitter

[abstract moth]

Yes I like that toooo

[bright cliff]

fire frenzy and deathspitter work extremely similarly so the numbers difference is negligible between the two. just remember dumdum first

[mystic belfry]

Disgusting

[mystic belfry]

Dumdum fire frenzy

[untold mulch]

Shoots too slow

[bright cliff]

I only really know about the iags nowadays because I've spent the last 50+ hours running one on every class

[mystic belfry]

Yep.

[simple crest]

what blessings should I put on power sword?

[bright cliff]

power cycler 4 and whatever removes hit mass

[mystic belfry]

Brutal momentum and power cycler

[misty lance]

thanks

[bright cliff]

that one

[wanton dawn]

Power cycler, then either bm or sunder

[abstract moth]

I see you don't have a frenzy for the dual wielding

[mystic belfry]

Not sunder

Specifically BM

[wanton dawn]

Yes sunder

[bright cliff]

why do we dislike sunder

[mystic belfry]

BM is better. sunder is a filler that makes normal cleave slightly better overall

[wanton dawn]

Idk really. Ppl are parotting azreal while even him said that sunder was fine

[mystic belfry]

BM gives more cleave that kills enemies in one shot

[simple crest]

okay cause melk just sold me a sword with brutal momentum 4

[bright cliff]

wow

[abstract moth]

That's hot

[mystic belfry]

It's not like other stuff isn't usable, it's just better

[bright cliff]

keep the bm. do you have cycler yet? because a lot of die hard ps players refuse to use them without it.

[misty lance]

are the other variants of infantry autogun worth cheking?

[mystic belfry]

The min for a good sword imo is maniac damage, power cycler 3, and brutal momentum 1

[simple crest]

still waiting for melk to give me it

[wanton dawn]

In any case, sunder is safer against rager, bulwark, crusher, mauler compared to bm

[bright cliff]

kinda? there are two other ones, one has about half the bullets the columnus does for a little under double the damage, and the other one just feels like a slower columnus

[simple crest]

What does sunder do again?

[wanton dawn]

Improve cleave by 400% and remove hit stop on carapace/shield hit

In other word, you can cleave through bulwark shield

[bright cliff]

I haven't seen ppl run the numbers on the other guns but I would be willing to bet that they are worse simply because the slower fire rates of the other two guns mean you stack dumdum slower

[simple crest]

okay that sounds nice

[wanton dawn]

I think it gives 3 target hit minimum

[bright cliff]

dumdum being as strong as it is kinda pushes the other two guns out of viability

[mystic belfry]

The problem being to still get the full effect of a harsh drop in damage as per usual on cleave

[bright cliff]

and so with the agrapinna you're left with this slow firing, almost dmr playstyle, but the spread is just wide enough that it's difficult to reliably land headshots and take advantage of talents like longshot.

[mystic belfry]

But I do run krak specifically for bulwurks on power sword for good reason

[bright cliff]

tldr just use the columnus

[wanton dawn]

Demo:

[mystic belfry]

Exibity A on why it's bad

[chilly sandal]

Can't believe I replaced my sunder 4 with BM 4

[mystic belfry]

200 damage

[wanton dawn]

Look at this dude

[mystic belfry]

:p

[wanton dawn]

Have a little imagination

[mystic belfry]

I have the ability to think yes, hence why I don't find sunder that impressive

[wanton dawn]

This guy get staggered

[mystic belfry]

It's usable

[wanton dawn]

Which is why I say that sunder is safer.

[bright cliff]

I mean it's the third target of carapace damage mit. it means he can reliably hit the enemies behind the bulwark, not just fight multiple bulwarks at once. if you're really struggling with bulkwarks that much you have a krak grenade for a reason

[mystic belfry]

it's alread ya safe sword because you can block and dodge while waiting to just poke

[wanton dawn]

Sunder allows you to distribute stagger across way more elite dude

[mystic belfry]

Not needed

[wanton dawn]

Nobody care about what you need. The point is that both BM and sunder brings thing to the table

[bright cliff]

I mean I can believe that peak performance takes BM but not everyone plays the game like a robot

[wanton dawn]

Specifically, sunder is better than bm on no ammo maelstrom

[mystic belfry]

Wrath also brings something to the table

[wanton dawn]

wrath does not give carapace ignore

it is weaker than sunder

[mystic belfry]

It is

But it's something

[wanton dawn]

Again, the point is on bm vs sunder. don't move the goal post

[mystic belfry]

You could also run slaughterer

[wanton dawn]

Slaughterer is weaker than bm

[mystic belfry]

I'm not, I'm using the same reason you gave

[wanton dawn]

again, don't move the goal post

[mystic belfry]

it brings something to the table

[bright cliff]

avoid this argument use the shovel

[mystic belfry]

Shovel is fine

Original shovel is still one of my favorites

[abstract moth]

Yes I play the game like a Cadian and always risking my life for teammates that deserves a class with 3 las pistols with the special ability to no reload and firing it like a minigun

[bright cliff]

original shovel will always hold a special place in my heart but something about being able to instakill ragers with a shovel is very funny

[wanton dawn]

Here's another question: how many flak rager can a PS touch in one hit ?

[mystic belfry]

I have not the foggiest

[abstract moth]

Yes we need dual shovel tho

[wanton dawn]

Well, it does matter on hab dreyko final event

[mystic belfry]

I don't agree

[wanton dawn]

I already know

[mystic belfry]

I will agree that in a world where BM didn't exist I'd go for sunder next

[wanton dawn]

At the end of the day, I am not the one dismissing what bm does. IMO sunder is safer against mixed horde and i will die on that hill

[mystic belfry]

I can see where you're coming from, with it staggering more enemies , and swinging through shields

But you also get more safetly in killing faster too, it's not so clear cut

[bright cliff]

haha I get it clear cut

because it's a sword

[abstract moth]

[mystic belfry]

if it helps understand my stance at all. I do setup my build to help handle things like bulwurks, and do things to help when more stagger is needed that moment

[wanton dawn]

BM does not kill faster agaisnt elite horde because of density. BM is better against parse group, sunder has comparable or better performance otherwise

[mystic belfry]

The push attack combo is naturally let with a push, which will stall the horde for a moment. Krak nades will kill one or more bulwurks at a time. And of course, shout exists as well

[wanton dawn]

In practice, sunder allows you to hit 2 to 3 TIMES more target per hit. Which is relevant for stagger more so than for damage

[mystic belfry]

I can see, and even agree than sunder does a better job at just tapping more enemies at once, but with the kit we're given I don't think it matters enough to be all that relevant

[south spindle]

Imagine using PSword outside of for a meme run smh

Noobs

[abstract moth]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-kruber-fall-over-fall-over-gif-26485764

[woeful ibex]

happaned again

[mystic belfry]

Noooo not Kruber

[woeful ibex]

Zola bug

still happening

[wide anvil]

[south spindle]

Be interesting to see how that pans out

[abstract moth]

https://tenor.com/view/markus-kruber-vermintide-2-steam-tank-kruber-vermintide-gif-322539141967255863

[south spindle]

Makes sense as to why the moved the button to swap to the auric board to the top right

[abstract moth]

Never had it

[woeful ibex]

Mission Terminal

When it says "Connecting" in the mission terminal, you can see it

Lower Right

[mystic belfry]

Special assignments for the most special operatives :)

[abstract moth]

You mean the pfp looking slightly different? Tbh I've never really paid attention to it, maybe is on purpose made out of fattysharky laziness?

[woeful ibex]

its a button on the lower right

[abstract moth]

That's the settings for changing region or put private match?

[woeful ibex]

its when it says "Connecting" on the mission board

you can see it

[urban steppe]

keep old or try to upgrade this boy too ? hm

[urban steppe]

ah yes , its appears there a most of the time randomly when you first time opening missions there

mb its a future update ? we got new video with a radio so what if that is thing

[abstract moth]

I mean to me it doesn't say connecting when I open the mission board it does it instantly

I'm confused

Also

@urban steppe cute pfp

[tardy turtle]

+3 stam curios don't exist :/

[woeful ibex]

yeahh

[raw crag]

when is it even a good option to use the secondary charged attack on the plasma gun?

[forest scaffold]

I do understand what veteran veterans mean when they say veteran is tanky. I can see it now. I dunno how much I like it being tied to voice of command though.

[urban steppe]

i think that will be new feature what i heard from a last video . something more hardcore mission than a mael

with a lot of enemys and more boss fights

[abstract moth]

More harder than malestorm? What they're gonna make every enemy a mauler and crusher plus sending it like hordes and specials spawning constantly all over the place?

[chilly sandal]

I use it all the time

[raw crag]

sees lone poxwalker

plasma charging intensifies

[chilly sandal]

Get fucked kiddo

[urban steppe]

if you listen last video you will understood , i think more boss fights than ? or more stronger boss fights ? or a new special strong boss foghts ?

because what you hearing there its like there will be a lot of enemys mb more than on mael , and something strong boss

[thick rose]

is the new chainsword sweep/ramp ?

[raw crag]

is it better to spam regular attacks for boss dps on plasma or charged shots?

[chilly sandal]

I feel charging is better for ammo economy

But idk

[abstract moth]

I was just teasing, tho I don't think anything can get harder than my idea. Hmmm maybe hordes of chaos spawns with beasts of nurgle, and pox bursters and trappers spawning constantly

[chilly sandal]

Spam feels like I'm using a slightly stronger bolter

[abstract moth]

Charged attacks do more damage but consume more ammo oh and drastically heat up more the weapon

[muted knot]

should i keep going ?

[chilly sandal]

You can kill an entire train of ragers with 1 charged shot

[hoary rivet]

you can change blessings but not stats, up to you tho

if you have mod that tell how good stats are from 1% to 80% you can decide better

[chilly sandal]

Agreed

[chilly sandal]

There's better autoguns

[thick rose]

what blessings are people putting on the new chainaxe?

[forest scaffold]

It really comes into it own gets hot

The critical hit damage on uncharged shots is just too good.

You're basically getting another 3 ammo worth's of damage for free, and you can constantly bounce between 80% and 100% heat with uncharged shots.

[dusk idol]

that's already a modifier

scab only, melee enemies + waves of specialist enemies = maulers and crushers and specialists all over the place

[abstract moth]

They don't send it in hordes tho like normal poxwalkers or you know mobs

[thick rose]

yeah ok

[alpine pebble]

oi pro players melk had this toy and i want to switch up my powersword for a bit get or nah

[dusk idol]

i'm using headtaker bloodthirsty

but its the old chainaxe, though, from what i've seen in the psyk they're the same just with attack patterns reversed between lights and heavies

i should be more specific in that old chainaxe lights chewed without special action and used heavies for horde clear cleave, new chainaxe is just the inverse

[chilly sandal]

I haven't tested much but I feel charged has better penetration

[forest scaffold]

Oh, absolutely.

[chilly sandal]

Killing 10 elites is just too satisfying

[forest scaffold]

But plasma gun with gets hot plays like revolver

[crude wind]

This is good to get although it's a 3 out of 4

[forest scaffold]

pull it out, oneshot a bunch of enemies, go back to meleeing

[chilly sandal]

Ye

[crude wind]

Replace All or Nothing with Brutal momentum

[forest scaffold]

And plasma gun lets you full charge shots to kill 8 ragers in one

[crude wind]

Crit damage to flak or maniac

[dusk idol]

i just got fkn 4 tier 3 rev it ups in a row

what the hell

[crude wind]

Best blessing combo on that weapon for Vet imo

Easily

[somber sable]

Is there a magic word I can use to somehow convince my random teammates to place their ammo bags? just had a really sad wipe because I was out of ammo and the gunners wiped the entire team

[torn gorge]

just be the one carrying the ammo crates

[dusk idol]

or ask them in text chat

[bitter turtle]

Ppl usually put them down if you ask

But I don't usually need ammo so idk I don't ask much

[astral blade]

I usually just yell in text chat “AMMO NOW” and normally if someone is carrying an ammo cache they will drop it

[somber sable]

Will try doing it in caps then

[astral blade]

Just make it sound urgent when ya in the red for ammo

[forest scaffold]

yesn't

I've had some people ignore me

I've had people respond to being asked

Usually they put it down if I ask

funny if all three people put down their crates at once

had that happen more than a few times

[alpine pebble]

👍

[acoustic wyvern]

embrace the art of ammo goblin

can't run out of ammo if you grab it all

[astral blade]

I mean most of the time people on Oceana servers who have the ammo cache will normally drop it as long as you make it sound urgent

They normally won’t drop ammo if you don’t make it sound urgent

[hoary rivet]

the ui doesnt help

[strange ledge]

hey vets wahts a brain dead light spam melee for wep spec?

[acoustic wyvern]

the chainsword

highest dmg per swing with lights

ok maybe like one of the high but its pretty fast and cleaves nicely

[tardy turtle]

New Chaxe also works, can stack both Headtaker and Slaughterer

[strange ledge]

whats the diff between 4 and 13?

13 has higher shred and strike down heavies

anything else?

[woeful ibex]

this is what it looks like

@abstract moth

[south spindle]

13 has higher overall damage output, but less easy to use moveset all round

More reliant on combos an push attacks, 4 is just spam lights/heavies in any order

[strange ledge]

perfect thanks

[placid portal]

Gotta love stabbing Stims as ogrtn

tiny needle has to be injected from giant arms instead of chest

[marsh condor]

What pairs well with Bromentum?

[crude wind]

Headtaker is probably the BiS for this, unless you're doing some crit thing in which case u might want shred

[marsh condor]

I don't have Shred, but I do have Heads

[crude wind]

go that route then

swap crit to Flak

Specialists is a poor man's maniac but you'll still probably get better value out of it

alternatively you could change crit to Maniac and just not worry about muties ever again

[thick rose]

what perks are best on the new chaxe?

if I go head slaught blessings

trying to get the most out of this

[crude wind]

Bloodletter, Thrust for this one

Carapace is 100%

hmm tbh

you have a bit of a rock and a hard place choice here

ideally you want Flak/Cara/Bloodletter/Thrust

but here you are going to have to choose your specialisation

keep Unyielding and Headtaker for Bloodletter and Flak but give up the 1 shot Crusher breakpoint

or change both blessings to Thrust/Bloodletter and lose some damage vs Flak

[versed merlin]

what do i do with this

[jade notch]

Keep Full Bore (because hitting someone with the Special slug round procs it) and the Carapace Damage, swap out Scattershot and +Stamina with Maniac. That's what I'd do, at least.

[crude wind]

Scattershot to No Respite, and Maniac

[flint lake]

Carapace is useless on that weapon

[versed merlin]

do i lose breakpoints to one shot gunners and shotgunners here?

[crude wind]

not with slug

[versed merlin]

aw

[flint lake]

Atleast the stamina buff synergies with Deadshot

[jade notch]

You know, No Respite on Agripinaa Shotty never occurred to me despite realizing I can knock Crushers on their ass and Bulwarks out of their shield stance with the Slug

[crude wind]

hmm tbh i agree with Dandy

stamina is good for Deadshot

and u wanna run deadshot with shotties

[jade notch]

I made my statements with the assumption of not running Deadshot, but fair point on Carapace not being all that useful.

[versed merlin]

yeah im running deadshot

[crude wind]

keep stam then

[versed merlin]

but do i still want to have stam with deadshot?

[jade notch]

Then fair, the +Stamina helps

[versed merlin]

in an ideal scenario

in perks

[crude wind]

in an ideal scenario this would be Flak

but we are working with what we have 😛

[versed merlin]

a okok

[crude wind]

tbf you will probably be fine with Stam

you get so much value from No Respite and Fullbore

Agri shottie is a 1 tap beast

[jade notch]

Flak + Maniac seems to be the default Perks of choice for weapons barring exceptions, from what I've seen.

[versed merlin]

if i run out of stam

do i lose deadshot buff?

[jade notch]

Yes

[crude wind]

yes but you can game stamina

[jade notch]

But it's not like you shoot Agri Shotty slugs really fast, so you'll regen some Stamina between shots, I'd bet

[crude wind]

you have 2 nodes in the tree that reduce stamina regen delay

you have duck and dive

you have weapon swap

and you have ping keystone

all that give you options to cheat

[jade notch]

Worst comes to worst, you can always hip-fire the slugs. They're pretty accurate even then.

Really fun when I ran them on my Zealot

[versed merlin]

hmm okayge

how much stability is important for that shotgun?

[jade notch]

Yeah, just remember to aim the crosshair when hip-firing the slug sliiiightly to the left and up of the target's head.

That or I'm weird and somehow I thought those would land headshots better.

[versed merlin]

like whats the minimum i should aim for when rolling stats?

[crude wind]

stab doesn't matter so much for shotgun

you wanna ammo, damage and SP high

mobility ideally above 51

[versed merlin]

ahh cool

[crude wind]

stability ideally above 50

[versed merlin]

let me save this just a sec

[crude wind]

the ammo on yours is fine btw

max shells you can get in an Agri is 13, with like 90ish reserve

[versed merlin]

thats fine i think

can always special shoot special shoot

[jade notch]

I treat it like a Martini-Henry/Breechloading rifle when rocking the slugs

And go with the regular buckshot when there's no time to load a slug.

[versed merlin]

if i run exec stance can i cover the lack of the other good perk to hit breakpoints?

[jade notch]

Haven't tried it on my Vet, so I got no idea I'm afraid 😅

[versed merlin]

im going to pair this with dclaw 4 (as soon as i get a good one) so i can use claw to deal with ragers (no clue how its going to turn during mixed hordes tho) and have something that isnt a revolver to deal with specials and elite shooters

[topaz lance]

I hope one of the double barrel variants will be all slug

[versed merlin]

revolver became a clutch at this point

[crude wind]

I've been thinking a lot about Executioner stance the past week

I think it's changed so much since its pre patch 13 times

that you have to approach it and its nodes differently

[jade notch]

You only get two shots before needing to reload, but both hit like the Agri slug

[crude wind]

like, i feel Counterfire is a trap in the current iteration

a wasted point you don't need

[versed merlin]

hmm

possibly

[topaz lance]

Yeah that would be my jam. WIth weapon specialist, oh boy

[crude wind]

maybe its okay with certain guns but most of the time you are only taking it for refresh

[patent valley]

not really, keeping executioner's up means u get higher accuracy, and more dmg

[versed merlin]

you really dont need it if you run tactical awareness i think, but it can be good in specific situations

[patent valley]

u're doing it wrong if u take it just to refresh your shxt

its not a trap talent, its just people taking it when they arent specialized for it

[versed merlin]

one thing that i hate about exec stance is the zoom in the camera when i use this

its awful

[patent valley]

debatable

[versed merlin]

i lose all my surrounding awareness

[patent valley]

it does give some form of tunnel vision

[versed merlin]

could be skill issue from my part

[crude wind]

the only time its worth going into stance is to hit breakpoints

if you can 1 shot enemies out of it

you don't need it

the only value it gives is refresh

and that is low value when swapping your weapon cancels stance

[jade notch]

I run Counterfire with my Kantrael Infantry/Hellbore Lasguns

But that's partly because I'm focusing on anti-Shooter squad duty and it makes maintaining Exec Stance easier.

I don't use it on, say, Bolter or Plasma Gun or anything I don't intend to specifically gun down packs of Scab/Dreg shooters with

[crude wind]

better to focus on cool down, using Exec stance to hit 1 shot breakpoints

and spending the point on something better

[cerulean void]

I find myself incapable of taking off Duck and Dive tbh

[patent valley]

i dont see much guns using this to hit breakpoints, maybe some lasguns, and according to my friends, if u need exec to hit breakpoints for marksman, the gun itself isnt that good

[crude wind]

that is literally it's only use

to help you shoot guys

if it doesn't help you shoot guys

then play a different ability

[patent valley]

if i use it with a columnus or braced autogun, im not really hitting breakpoints

more dmg yes, less shots, but not exactly a one shot breakpoint

[crude wind]

sure but I wouldn't run either of those with stance

[patent valley]

well, depends on what my team has

[cerulean void]

infiltrate brauto is love, is life

[versed merlin]

what do you guys think of this? going to pair with agri shotgun and dclaw 4 and running survivalist + frag (i hate krak)

[patent valley]

i'll run more voc than exe rn

[crude wind]

ye, does seem to be a VoC world right now

makes me sad a bit

[patent valley]

too much utility with it

[jade notch]

I run more Exe than VoC, but for the same reason

That and I like the clicking on heads, so.

[patent valley]

plus teammates doodoo at making space for you

[crude wind]

looks great. though that red node next to 15% vs elites would probably better as the stamina regen on melee swap node under weapon specialist

[patent valley]

hard to find use with exec stance when the horde's on top of you

[crude wind]

unless it does something inparticular?]

[crude wind]

that;s really it isn't it

the meta has become so space focused

space is king right now

because enemy density is so high

[patent valley]

dclaw bit weak

[versed merlin]

ahh sounds good. i dont really know tbh, im just assuming i would need it since i wont have the 25 maniac on shotty

tyty

[patent valley]

i'd recommend one of the new shovels, chainsword, or powersword

[cerulean void]

I mean, in any randomized teamcomp it's better to have ways to make breathing room than relying on others to make that room for you

[crude wind]

DClaw IV is sick imo, the parry one shots ragers with a headshot

[manic badger]

Yo anyone try out the chain axes after the changes? are they still ass?

[patent valley]

dont get me wrong, its fun, so u can still run it, but i think there's more practical ones

[versed merlin]

i heard it can be strong if paired with atk speed

[cerulean void]

no

[crude wind]

has great horde clear. bad vs armoured elites but you have your gun for that

[south spindle]

Shred/Rampage, it fucks, plus if you get boxed in by Crusher or summat you can just parry it an its a get out of jail free card

[patent valley]

not much atk speed u can get from vet

[patent valley]

maybe with this u can

[versed merlin]

weap specialist

[patent valley]

rampage extra dmg might compensate enough, i havent tried it

[crude wind]

the parry is the reason to run DClaw IV

[versed merlin]

maybe i should run rending node?

[patent valley]

i see, never tried it, u might be right

[manic badger]

to the former or the latter

[south spindle]

Rampage wont proc on a single target, but parry is exceptional nonetheless

[crude wind]

if you perfect parry it uses 2 stam to block crusher overhead

[versed merlin]

its amazing, really

[crude wind]

which is crazy

[south spindle]

Also bosses, you can parry the fuck outta those

[crude wind]

oh yeah

[patent valley]

i'd be bring it for hordeclear anyways

[versed merlin]

i can do much better in auric with revolver/shovel weap spec than plasma tag keystone

[crude wind]

u can solo Chaos Spawn with DClaw

[south spindle]

Yep

Its pretty stronk

[patent valley]

other choice is savage sweep/warth, which also doesnt proc vs single target

[versed merlin]

goddamn

[crude wind]

i have a clip somewhere of that

super silly stuff

[south spindle]

I wouldnt run a cleave blessing on Catachan myself

[versed merlin]

time to pull my 0 parrying skills from dark souls

[manic badger]

honestly don't even get a keystone for a plasma gun build

its not worth

[south spindle]

Cleave blessings are kinda dog at the moment with the exception being BM

[versed merlin]

why? you would be buffing your team as well

[crude wind]

i am procrastinating so fucking hard right now

[manic badger]

because its not synergetic with how you play with a plasma rifle

[jade notch]

The time window for the Parry to activate is pretty generous. Like, a couple of seconds, IIRC.

That and you can cancel the Parry into an attack if need be.

[south spindle]

Slackard, we need content goddamnit 😄

[crude wind]

i'm slacking dude, i'm slacking

[versed merlin]

wait you can parry the one hit bonk from crushers too?????

[crude wind]

yes

[trim hemlock]

Hey. By the way, has that HUD guide-video of yours come out?

[south spindle]

Its a saturday in all seriousness, cant be blamed on the weekend

[crude wind]

and if you perfect parry it doesn't wipe your stamina

[versed merlin]

hot damn

[crude wind]

i have it record, it's just really boring and I feel a bit ashamed putting it out since it's just a video of mod folders and then talking about menus

[versed merlin]

thats sick

[manic badger]

Dclaws are gross on weapon specialist builds

[versed merlin]

why?

[south spindle]

I dont know that there is any melee attack you cant parry in all honesty, though ive never tried mauler because chainaxe overhead is scary af

[crude wind]

I was thinking about putting it up on my discord for followers of the channel

[south spindle]

You can even parry Plogryn stomp

And Spawn leap attack

[manic badger]

because you get 25% attack speed additional crit and rending on crit with a weapon that already swings fast af and has good horde clear

it just amplifies it

[versed merlin]

o wait sorry english isnt my language. you mean gross as actually good?

[manic badger]

yes gross as in good

[crude wind]

yeah 😄

[versed merlin]

ahh okok

yeah, i was thinking it would slap tbh

[crude wind]

it's honestly a top tier melee weapon

Veteran is spoiled for choice now

remember the days of Combat Axe vs Powersword?

[versed merlin]

ill run it with shotty bc i hear it has quick pull just like revolver and i couldnt bring myself to like vraks, too slow to me

[crude wind]

with a few madlads on shovel/taxe

[manic badger]

the combat axes are also fuckin gross on weapon specialist builds

with bromentum

[crude wind]

Combat Axes are just overpowered lol

full stop

[patent valley]

sadly not on psyker

[south spindle]

Ye... those ADMs are nasty

[patent valley]

not anymore

[crude wind]

Psykers get silly cutlass tho

[south spindle]

Yeah its still strong on Psyker, you just have to be more deliberate with them, they proc True Aim stupid often

[crude wind]

and can go zoooooooooooom

[versed merlin]

oh absolutely, i did that one. but with the new shovel, i managed to one tap mutants and a few ragers with a crit special atk so im running that as it has better horde clear too

[patent valley]

i mean its not really that silly

[manic badger]

silly as in absurdly strong

[patent valley]

ik

[manic badger]

and it is absurdly strong

[jade notch]

I'm not even running the blue folding Sapper Shovel with Weapon Specialist and I can chunk Muties on Auric Damnation with a fully-charged Heavy Special, it's great.

[south spindle]

It really is.. it can one tap muties an wipe Crusher in like 2/3 hits

[patent valley]

isnt there plenty of stuff that can do what the dueling sword can?

[manic badger]

no

[versed merlin]

what am i looking to run on a dclaw 4 then? for both perks and blessings

[south spindle]

Shred/Rampage, Maniac/Flak

[manic badger]

not with the fludiity and ease that the dueling sword can

[patent valley]

only thing dueling sword has going on rn is just highest dodge and as fast as knife

[versed merlin]

thamk

[south spindle]

No contest the BiS blessings/perks

[manic badger]

I think you are vastly underestimating just how stupidly strong the heavy attack is

[south spindle]

Warning tho, its a pita to roll because it has loads of impact blessings

[manic badger]

the special also staggers crushers and mutants

[pearl granite]

which one / anything usable? 😄

[versed merlin]

how does parry interact with multiple attacks?

[manic badger]

parries everything inside the window

[versed merlin]

oh shit

[patent valley]

new shovel special staggers and do massive dmg at the same time

[versed merlin]

thats crazy

[manic badger]

yea but its clunky as shit

[versed merlin]

wdym?

[patent valley]

the animation isnt as long as chainsword, its alot safer

[versed merlin]

you still get hit during parry?

[manic badger]

no sorry was responding to shovel special comment

[versed merlin]

ahh okok np

[jade notch]

The Folding Shovel special doesn't even take long to finish if the shovel gets stuck.

[south spindle]

You can depending on the timing of incoming attacks, its not wise to stand in a rager squad and try to parry them all because they'll delete you for example, but its still a really safe weapon

[jade notch]

Like, just a second at worst.

[quick moth]

It parries everything including mutants and dogs running/jumping at you yep

[manic badger]

I mean that shovel special is really good I'm just saying that the dueling sword heavy is 10x as fluid and easy to use

[patent valley]

hammer can do it too, only reason it cant is the horde being in the way

[quick moth]

All the monstrosities too

[jade notch]

Ahhh, on the Psyker. Kk.

[versed merlin]

the shovel special atk is even faster if you dont heavy attack, which is better for the mk 7

as the light attack is a overhead

[patent valley]

no we're comparing weapons and stuff, so classes dont matter

[abstract moth]

@woeful ibex yeah that never happened to me

[patent valley]

unless u bring like, new ogryn shovels into the mix

those are absolutely disgusting

[manic badger]

I wish vet got the dueling sword it would go crazy on a revolver build

[woeful ibex]

I noticed happened to me when internet is slow

thats the only time it bugs out

[patent valley]

they already got a bunch of rending for free, their powersword's crazy enough as is

killing multiple crushers at a time

literally just by light swinging

[manic badger]

yea but the dueling sword compliments revolver playstyle so much better than a power sword

I just use power sword for the horde clear

[patent valley]

not with that lack of horde clear

[versed merlin]

you know what vets needs?

saltzpyre rapier and pistol

[patent valley]

maybe if u bring shred grenades

[manic badger]

the mk7 dsword actually has good horde clear

[patent valley]

but u wont always have a grenade

[patent valley]

the good one is mk4 tho no?

or at least the one with most heavy dmg

[woeful ibex]

Laspistol x Chainsword can work

[manic badger]

thats what i mean i think haven't been on psyker in a long while

whichever one has horizontal diagonal lights

[woeful ibex]

you dont rev up but its a Lasgpistol shot

[quick moth]

I use the demios and a revolver on my psyker if I'm going assail. The 2nd demios heavy also knocks crushers and Maulers over plus you get the activation attack which one shots muties and is really helpful with bulwarks

[patent valley]

mk4

also nah, not really that good, u can build for it and make it mediocre i guess

[manic badger]

its good

[patent valley]

have rampage + shred, use push atk to proc rampage

[manic badger]

its not great but it is good

[jade notch]

I missed that part, my bad. 😅

[patent valley]

or rampage + uncanny, that's probs better

[patent valley]

takes too long

if u cant herd them u'll get backed into a corner

gotta keep pushin baby

[manic badger]

it takes too long in comparison to a power sword or dclaw but thats the extreme

[patent valley]

i mean, deimos would do better

[manic badger]

if you just consistently headshot it clears well

[patent valley]

even with the stabs being in the atk pattern

[manic badger]

you can also drag the hitbox of the thrust heavy and pop like 4 heads at a time over and over

[patent valley]

least that's how i feel using both of them

[ocean idol]

I have had this sword for ages

[patent valley]

i dont even have the optimal deimos, my deimos has meme perks and blessings

[ocean idol]

What should i replace

t4 slat?

Or some perk

[manic badger]

flak maniac on power sword is the truth

[patent valley]

this looks kinda terrible, u'd probs want sunder blessing?

[flint lake]

Critical for maniac

[patent valley]

but ehhh

[ocean idol]

WAT

How it is terrible

[patent valley]

i mean no its not

[ocean idol]

God stats

[patent valley]

u just cant go more offensively

[ocean idol]

Cycler

[quick moth]

I can't even use a power sword until I get the fucking blessing lol

[patent valley]

the stat's isnt the problem, and neither is cycler

but u'll be backdodging a lot

so if u get cornered u'll be in trouble fast

maybe slaughterer can help, not sure, didnt get the luxury to try yet

[ocean idol]

??? whati t has to do with weapon stats

and no, it works well

just push

[patent valley]

im saying u cant cleave enough

[ocean idol]

charge it, clear whole wave in front of you

because of what

[patent valley]

lack of sunder

[quick moth]

How bad is the grind to get power cycler 4?

[patent valley]

i got lucky

is all i can say

[ocean idol]

I got semi-lucky

or rather

[patent valley]

also if im not mistaken, pushes will disable energize

[ocean idol]

not as unlucky as i've been with surge blessing on Void staff

[patent valley]

must push atk

[ocean idol]

took me 120+ levels

[quick moth]

Yeah it looks expensive to throw resources at it lol

[ocean idol]

i do have sunder

But i did not even know it is good

Is it?

[quick moth]

Thank God I have my revolver blessings already

[ocean idol]

Or Harbyl just spits bs?

[elder vessel]

I have PC3 which is good enough for me for now

[ocean idol]

oh, also question about shovels

which are the best ones?

[patent valley]

its not terrible cuz of modifier, its terrible cuz of the perks u got

sunder is recommended by my buddies, who i play auric damnation with

[ocean idol]

another PS i have

[patent valley]

they say the cleave is not as much as it used to be, and with sunder u can cleave a lot better, staggering more and damaging more per swing

[patent valley]

yea this one looks alot better desite the cleave targets being slightly lower

switch out weakspot for flak, wrath for power cycler

u can test both if u wish and decide which is better

[ocean idol]

I mean i can just strip sunder

What about shovels

[patent valley]

new shovels, decimator + uncanny

[quick moth]

Is it possible to get a 90%+?

[patent valley]

dont strip sunder

[thick rose]

what is good on thew new chainsword?

[patent valley]

no, 80 max

[serene bough]

80% max

[patent valley]

dont strip sunder and put on the other powersword

like i said, i dont think the other powersword is terrible due to modifiers, i think its terrible due to the perks u're stuck with

[thick rose]

or... what should I think about for this

[patent valley]

and if u put sunder on the other blessing, that means u cant change the bad perk

[patent valley]

rampage can stay, poxwalker dmg needs to change to maniac probs

rev change to wrath or shred

[ocean idol]

ooooh

[patent valley]

either that, or u think that below 70% finesse is ass and leave it

[patent valley]

pretty good

carapace dmg as well

if u can get brittle blessing it'd be perfect

[quick moth]

That's what I'm using currently with the same blessings. Works great for damn and if I need to one shot a mutie, I can with it. The heavy cleaves are totally good.

[ocean idol]

Requisition guy has good things so often

way more often than Milky

So, which shovel does what?

[crude wind]

Melk is crap

[ocean idol]

Standard shovel seems to be most straighforward, lights for single targets, heavy for crowds

[patent valley]

mk7

light has a mix or crowd and single, heavy for crowd, very strong special for single too

mk3 a bit weirder, might need to mix up your atk patterns, but also has strong special for single target

[ocean idol]

Thanks a lot

They both seem to hav e same specials though?

speaking of milky

that's what i bought from him a few days ago

[patent valley]

use the heavy special atk

mk3 is a bit faster when pulling out compared to mk7

[ocean idol]

... that is what i said

well yeah

but insignificantly

[patent valley]

mk3 easier overhead

[patent valley]

some people might decide base on that small thing so yea

thrust helps with funny special oneshots

plus u use heavy for crowds so its fine

always 20% additional power

both perks are pretty good

[ocean idol]

+60%*

[patent valley]

if u dont charge all the way, it'd still be 20% at least, is what i meant

[ocean idol]

What about second blessing

[patent valley]

personally i wont charge to full when in a horde

[patent valley]

decimator can be kept

or u can get uncanny to help with crushers and maulers

[ocean idol]

only t2 though

[patent valley]

well if u ever get a t4 u can put it on then

anyways, decimator, uncanny, skullcrusher, decent options