veteran-class

[sullen scarab]

What shovel and perks/blessings have you guys been runing? I was trying out Take a Swing/All or Nothing on the Shovel VII and it was really clunky.

[fleet thicket]

i was thinking thrust for crusher one shot but its not worth it

[sullen scarab]

yeah I'm pretty sure uncanny is required

[sharp ember]

I think you should save, I would've said yes if Thrust was t4 and not t3*, it's a big difference

[sullen scarab]

take a swing doesn't really work for me with the shovels, its so clunky for the headshots

OH yeah guardsman, should I swap out the Poxwalkers for Flak, or better for Carapace?

[clear mist]

what woude the best sub stat be for an revolver be? (like dmg to maniacs and such)

[vivid cedar]

i can swap the t3 for t4

[sharp ember]

I like Uncanny + Thrust for the spike shovels, you can start 1-shotting stronger elites

[fleet thicket]

from waht i saw

[echo parcel]

You can get some nasty breakpoints with Limbsplitter

[stray storm]

Hand Cannon 100%

Actually wait

[tacit hearth]

What were the new gun patterns?

i forgor

[fleet thicket]

muniturm mark 3 is much much easier to use

[stray storm]

Hand cannon and Laspistol

[sharp ember]

nice, so that would leave Melee Crit Dmg needing to be changed, OR Bloodletter

[tacit hearth]

[bitter turtle]

I heard ppl say limbsplitter

I agree

Probably

Still need to get IV lul

[fleet thicket]

mark 7 is abit mroe annoying @sharp ember right after you do your special you need to go into push attack, your push attack follows up to l3 and l4

if anything

[bitter turtle]

But in theory it sounds great

[fleet thicket]

it got almost exact moveset to power maul of ogryn XD

[sharp ember]

personally I like mk7 more

[drowsy kayak]

new laspistol, revolver, and uuuh...

[fleet thicket]

with exception of

[tacit hearth]

no rifle

?

[clear mist]

hehe yea i like it and wanted to try get a relly good one. do you know what som good perks are for it?

[drowsy kayak]

think there was one more?

Could be wrong

[sharp ember]

a push attack huh, I just go straight into a heavy for my special

[fleet thicket]

@sharp ember i think mark 7 is better for more defensvie build like on ranged guard mark 3 i think better for meleeguard

dont have to

[echo parcel]

Is surgical still the best choice for agri revolver?

[fleet thicket]

your special has pretty long cooldwon

but you can reduce it

by doing a push attack

plus your push attack shovel 7 hits like truck

[clear mist]

oh somthing gat delete

[fleet thicket]

so you if you thnk your spcial can be dangeroush

[bitter turtle]

Doesn't 7 have the horizontal heavies though

[stray storm]

The goto is usually Flak and Manic but I personally go with Specialist damage

[fleet thicket]

push attack follows up to l3 and l4

so you can just push attack l3 l4 for elites

while your heavies are just for horde clear

[bitter turtle]

Felt like 3 was lacking in horde control when I tried it

[sharp ember]

interesting, I'll look into it, does mk3 do anything like that?

[stray storm]

If a weapon does high damage, it does need another boost to horde clear

[sullen scarab]

push attack on the 7 doesn't do much against carapace from my experience

[bitter turtle]

Definitely has the bigger bonk though

[clear mist]

ah okay think i think i wil try flak and manic and see if i like it the blessesing are hand cannnon and surgical right?

[sullen scarab]

but the heavy overhead does a lot

[echo parcel]

3 light spam with push attacks mixed in feels nice

[stray storm]

Thoughts y’all?

[stray storm]

Yep!

[fleet thicket]

no mk3 for some reason special attack recovers after hitting almsot isntantly to the point you can follow with with a H2

[sullen scarab]

OH yeah for the chainaxe, should I take Onslaught on the melee tree? For the brittleness stacks?

[fleet thicket]

so you can basically do speical into H2 as a combo

it recovers that fast

[sharp ember]

[sharp ember]

nah, doesn't attack fast enough, but that's an option if you have a fast firing gun

[fleet thicket]

as i said i would say mark 7 is just a better version of original shovel

[bitter turtle]

Guess I'll have to do a go over with 3's moveset again

[fleet thicket]

while mark 3 is like shovel/axe hybrid

[sharp ember]

yeah having a new anti-armor melee in general is nice

[fleet thicket]

i say evne mark 3 is just very fast axe XD

with terrible carapce if you dont ahve uncanny

[sudden dome]

alright hear me out, combat axe one shots alot of chaff to the head, brutal momentum makes them ignore mass basically giving infinite cleave on kill, so in tight hordes like ones coming through doors arent combat axes one of the best horde clear?

[next spade]

you need to hit headshot, not sure dosnt feel very amazing wave clear but havent tried that much

[stray storm]

I think swords are more better at horde clears

Axes are for individual targets

Knifes too

[wraith locust]

axes hordeclear well

[wraith locust]

yea

[sudden dome]

antaxs lights are more vertical than the dclaw

and they one hit

[elder karma]

Where do I find the viable builds? I'm a zealot main but holy Throne of Terra this class feels nerfed. Back in the day the power sword and space k 47+regain toughness on elite kill+instant reload focus fire was the GOAT

[stray storm]

You can check out the website

Uhhh I think it’s Darktide builds?

[wraith locust]

power sword is arguably better now

i would say vet is stronger in some ways now compared to back then

[elder karma]

Well that's music to my cheese ears as I have a 540 one with power cycler and supercharge
1 trillion ordo dockets in the slot machine

What are peeps running? Commissar or is classic hunters pose good? Is the Sly Marbo build any good or just memes?

[civic knot]

buy?

[echo parcel]

Any build with Voice of Command + Ult refund on special kills is broken

[stray storm]

What’s the dump stat for Shotguns?

[small loom]

BLESS THE EMPEROR AND HIS WATER

[stray storm]

Specifically Lawbringer

[sudden dome]

if you need take a swing sure if not its 53% penetration, mobility and defence are the dump stats

[sharp ember]

ah i see what you mean, the mk7 shovel takes much longer to pull out from a heavy strike compared to the mk3

i wonder if there's a damage difference but i don't have any similar shovels to compare

[small loom]

which of these is better? i have power cycler now available to replace a blessing

[civic knot]

should i buy for the blessings? i have plently of melk bucks

[civic knot]

right one

it already has great perks!

[small echo]

Improving this chainsword?

[sudden dome]

I mean heavies are for horde clear right? It might give you a break point on the guys with flak head/chest I dont know. I do know its not worth buying to use though

[eternal venture]

Stealth ult is good, it just requires more investment than shout build

And it’s not nearly as braindead easy as a shout build

[small loom]

I prefer savage sweep over wrath since you dont remove all stacks after missing an attack. as always, go for flak + maniac perks. pretty good stats already

[eternal venture]

Stealth lets you position freely throughout the entire map and make aggressive plays or team saving revives

Thing is

Voice of Command lets you power through almost any situation because the cooldown is so low

So you have overshield up for practically an entire horde

It’s like old Shout Mercenary Kruger all over again

[sudden dome]

if you use the icon you can get it down to 20 seconds and have twice the shield and a long suppress

[small loom]

If you want to remove 1 perk and 1 blessing, unyielding is decent for Bulwarks, Reapers and bosses. Block efficiency can be good, but its more depending on what you want

go to for blessings is savage sweep + rampage if you have them available

this is my vet's chain sword for reference

[fading grove]

rate my drip

[peak sierra]

My fellow veterans, please peep

[wraith locust]

💀

[peak sierra]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-25-2015/iHmaPV.gif

[flint garden]

where hc surgical

[vivid bolt]

Fire is pretty good now tbh

[brazen bay]

Just had a werid ass match, the 3 I was with seemingly refused to press any buttons and I would have to venture off on my own to do it and here them get mad a bout me leaving the group

[left zodiac]

what exatly is the difference between Tarona and Agripinaa revolvers?

[brazen bay]

do you want to be a cowboy or better bolter?

[flint garden]

ninja pox walkers

[left zodiac]

so one is better hip fire and other sniping?

[vivid bolt]

Zarona is higher damage and in general

[brazen bay]

pretty much

that too

[vivid bolt]

It just has slower reload

[flint garden]

agripinaa is fast firing and reloads the full cylinder but has trash cleave

[vivid bolt]

Zarona is tbh better as close up should be handle by your melee

[brazen bay]

imo the varona is better because agripina role is already solved by melee or lawbringer if you really want a to use a gun for CQ

[flint garden]

zarona also works better close range because you can kill multiple ragers in a single shot

[left zodiac]

hmm
will try both
I like the fast relad tho
Tried Helbore but I dont like the sights it has and I have worse aim with it than with revolver

soes any version of helbore has different sights or they are all same?M

[flint garden]

only if you mod

[left zodiac]

wow
I am way too behind as i didnt play some time
had no idea they added mods 😅

now I just gotta find how to

[brazen bay]

if your aim isnt too great you could always rock autogun they are pretty solid choices if not the most popular though

[sudden dome]

if you already cant aim might as well take a braced for the secondary fire

[left zodiac]

Its ok with revolver but with Helbore I dont aim as well for some reason

also recharge is annoying

[sudden dome]

since you wont need to use their weakness anyway

[vivid bolt]

And can still bully crushers and maulers

[brazen bay]

revolver is goat imo that is main weapon choice

[tardy turtle]

I hate how accurate "better bolter" is.

[echo parcel]

Agri is pretty accurate, just need crosshair remap so you can aim while fanning

[left zodiac]

also helbore is bad for fast switch of weapons

[vivid bolt]

I find it funny a .45 magnum does more damage than rocket gun

[sudden dome]

helbore only needs to swap for chaff mobs

and with all the ammo you can really just fire at heads

assuming you take the crit talent

[brazen bay]

sad but true, the revolver also lets me feel like Ash from evil dead with my chain axe

[echo parcel]

Surgical Helbore is infinite ammo, I go entire missions with full ammo without a single ammo pickup

[brazen bay]

I know he uses a double barrel but the revolver feels more like shotgun than the shotgun

[left zodiac]

low level for now
just started Vet so I probably dont have it

[ebon umbra]

volatile feels v good rn

[brazen bay]

now that I think about it the revolver is the do it all gun for vets atm it seems lol

[crude sparrow]

what can i put on this to make it work?

[tardy turtle]

Got good rolls of both versions of the Chaxe on my Zealot. Want an Orestes for my vet since I feel more comfortable doing heavy spam and specials.

[echo parcel]

Can't deal with shooters, but who cares when everything else on the map is dead

[junior needle]

It can, just not ammo efficiently

[quasi socket]

columnus gang, mag dumping feels too good

[tardy turtle]

It do

Was happy to get a god roll columnus after farming a week for it.

[spice mural]

When TF2 makes a better Krieg skin 💀

[quasi socket]

mine is ok, but im not hitting damnation yet and barely dipping toes into heresy. been blowing through malice on vet tho

[brazen bay]

still waiting for my 8th cadia skin

[low oar]

Tf2 is just a better rendition of reality anyway, so it's a given that any cosmetics they have is better than any other game

[compact briar]

Agri mk IX HH auto worth using?

[next spade]

agripea is best imo, high damage and best to control

but all 3 are good

ah wait headhunter

[brazen bay]

pretty much all vet weapons are solid, well maybe not all looking at you reconlas

[next spade]

if you use the full auto mod

but the autoguns are better in general

[weary acorn]

Forgive me my fellow Veterans, for I have sinned

[next spade]

how can you only have 1 weapon in inventory

[brazen bay]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-gif-25567321

[weary acorn]

because I am broke and need to do more runs

[serene sage]

@south spindle you know how we talked about gray columnus topping damage?
well here is a random playing with me spotting a gray columnus and gray shovel

Candorick is the person using the Columnus

But the damage doesn't add up

dude killed 300 things, half that of either the psyker and me and did 100k more somehow

[next spade]

if you have columnus and shovel, how do you have 180k overkill damage?

[serene sage]

if you add up the damage below, it's about 200k less than the total damage reported

[serene sage]

beat me, I was running Bolter, Candorick was the person running gray Colum with shovel

[next spade]

but as I said before, its the talents making the weapon strong not the blessings

[serene sage]

I think scoreboard is bugged

[winter shoal]

How do you find that screen in darktide?

[serene sage]

no no im saying it's possible scoreboard is bugged

[frozen meadow]

How do people use bolter, I feel like I never want to unequip it because it takes too long to ready again

[languid scarab]

180 on 840 isn't unreasonable

[serene sage]

it's a mod

[next spade]

yeah I guess

[serene sage]

both weapons are gray btw

[languid scarab]

It used to be a lot better. I'm trying to work out a build for it tonight

[winter shoal]

I believe you get faster draw time on reload stat or mobility stat iirc?

[winter shoal]

I have one, I can show it to you when I get home, it's more left lane then a small dip into middle

[next spade]

if you get most damage depends a lot on playstyle, if you rush forwards and try take most kills you will have most damage

[frozen meadow]

Damn I never used the bolter at launch, that sucks

[flint garden]

by equiping revolver

[eternal sable]

perfection

[frozen meadow]

It does nice damage though

[vagrant zodiac]

Is bolter draw time slower than plasma?

[serene sage]

unfortuntaely there is nothing that helps with draw time

[serene sage]

by A LOT

[flint garden]

way slower

[frozen meadow]

It is a lot slower than plasma

[vagrant zodiac]

Dang

[frozen meadow]

Plasma is basically instant

[vagrant zodiac]

I already hate how slow plasma is

[serene sage]

Bolter and Helbore are on par for slowest weapons in the game

plasma is lightning fast in comparison

[vagrant zodiac]

Too spoiled by revolver

[languid scarab]

Bolter had damage and ammo nerfed, which made the downside of a slow weapon much less appealing

it sort of vanished with patch 13

[frozen meadow]

For some reason, I never got in with plasma gun. I think I just hate cooldown mechanics

[vagrant zodiac]

I hated it the first few games, it gets better

[serene sage]

@south spindle I added up all the "sub" damage category and it's 550k which is a lot for dual gray weapons
BUT that's 300k below the reoprted number

[next spade]

bolter is good if you play with it all the time

but bolter is not good to switch towards

[south garnet]

obviously never played with plasma, it heats up not cools down

[next spade]

its like opposite of revolver

[frozen meadow]

Lol

[south garnet]

:^)

[vagrant zodiac]

The keep high charge for crit feels kinda weird to do but damage is damage

[winter shoal]

Tbh if your not running executioner stance with bolter, your doing something wrong

Executioner gives instant draw practically

[devout atlas]

boltgun exec stance fucks so hard

[frozen meadow]

Moot point anyway, I have 0 plasteel because I used it all on bad rng

[south garnet]

I'm gonna throttle hadron's neck and shake her around until she's dead

[next spade]

if you keep the bolter drawn out, it makes the revolver feel really weak in comparison but its really something to use over a period of time, not take it out for 3 shots, feels pretty balanced

[south garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/im_done-gif-7514145

[vagrant zodiac]

I go on psyker to farm plasteel then give in and gamba on psyker instead :^)

[frozen meadow]

Please kill hadron

[devout atlas]

boltgun with exec is why I don't fw the new revolver.

I heard its alright on Psyker

but on Vet I could just be using bolty

[winter shoal]

It does, like the 30% extra ammo and executioner stance is mandatory on bolter

[vagrant zodiac]

The old revolver is the better of the 2 no?

[serene sage]

kinda, it's more versatile

[devout atlas]

frankly they're damn near completely different weapons, agri revy is more like a mini boltgun in practice

[frozen meadow]

You basically need to grind for hours for a chance of getting hadron to screw you over

This really is grimdark

[devout atlas]

old revy is mini plasma if that comparison makes sense

just all the downsides of new revy make it coal for me ngl

[serene sage]

It got rebuffed significantly, except people don't want to try it.
Also doesn't help that the patch notes they released was straight up WRONG for the Bolter lmao, it left out like 3/4 of the buffs the Bolter received
so no one bother playing it

[vagrant zodiac]

The reload feels good on new revolver though, I’m really enjoying shovel too

[sudden dome]

there isnt a reason to take the new revolver other than its awesome and you get to quick shoot a crushers head in like a cowboy

[frozen meadow]

Bolter is nice when it is actually out, but I get surrounded too easily on auric damnation ect

[languid scarab]

I know the damage was buffed, the ammo replensihment is still a problem: what all was buffed with it?

[serene sage]

I used it exclusively for AT5/M 😊

[frozen meadow]

Guess it is one of those playstyle things

[sleek merlin]

Is Death Spitter better than Dum Dum on an autogun?

[frozen meadow]

Good that it is viable though

I like dum dum more

[serene sage]

Recoil
Finesse
Armor modifier
10% overall damage

[devout atlas]

always run boltgun with exec (just ability refresh), suppression immunity and every ability modifier. delete bosses and anything in between.

you need a versatile melee though, mk3 shovel works perfectly in this regard.

[serene sage]

shout works too if you are used to it

[devout atlas]

it's very fun my 4th fav vet build

[languid scarab]

Yeah, ok that's what I knew about. I forgot about finesse though.... are people actually doing surgical/deadshot?

[serene sage]

stagger will buy time for you to draw

[serene sage]

yeah

deadshot is not needed

[winter shoal]

I prefer power sword ngl

[serene sage]

you can take it

it's not bad but you can also skip

[devout atlas]

if you like power sword then go for it but it's not defensive enough for me

[languid scarab]

Yeah I didn't really mean both TBH, more like deadshot for auto fire

[winter shoal]

Yeah I just push charge up and swing, and go for max slice targets on the power sword

[devout atlas]

mk3 has that juicy horizontal heavy 1 for knocking ragers off balance, good dodge and light spam reliably blends hordes

[languid scarab]

I'm willing to try out some meme builds. for now I'm going to use it with Weapon Specialist for turbo reloads

[devout atlas]

no stamina reliance

I only use ps6 on lawbringer

which is my fav build but still

[deep igloo]

am digging the new shovels good versatility for crown/ single

[devout atlas]

Nice pun

[languid scarab]

@serene sage Any opinion on shattering/pinning with the finesse buffs?

[devout atlas]

but yeah boltgun is smth you gotta use to believe. you will clog that kill feed up hilariously fast once you get a handle on it.

pair with shredders for CC

[quaint valve]

Which Tax axe is good? Is this one worth the pickup on vet?

[tall torrent]

Mk4 has a very goofy moveset

[south garnet]

do we like the mg la?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[south garnet]

someone tell me my opinion please

[quaint valve]

Goofy usable or goofy trash

[tall torrent]

I’m not a fan of it

[south garnet]

interesting

[quaint valve]

Id roll it up

[drowsy kayak]

is this thing worth fixing or nah?

[quaint valve]

Which one is good one?

[tall torrent]

I prefer mk7

[austere badger]

Does anyone know the max bleed stacks for the knife right now on Vet?

[still hound]

I kinda like focusing on damage talent tree line sometimes

funny to get incredible plasma gun damage

or go full dumb dumb with a bolter

or shotgun

[terse idol]

Hmm

I'm feeling a little... unwise

Sooo speaking of mobility dumps

[lofty lintel]

fuck it

[crude gazelle]

I go for Mk II

[frail bolt]

anyone have any blessings/perks to recommend?

[terse idol]

woops think I bricked this thing

[drowsy kayak]

did they change haymaker?

[frail bolt]

unsure

[drowsy kayak]

I swear it was just increased stagger on human sized enemies

now it's this???

[austere badger]

One the knife? It's chance to instant kill normal sized enemies.

Which is kinda great on the new knife tbh.

[drowsy kayak]

huh

might keep it then

was consiering swapping it out but- oh yeah it would be good with the vanguard huh

[frail bolt]

damn. need to find a surgical blessing for my boltgun

[still leaf]

revolver lovers, what's the comparison between the two?

[drowsy kayak]

does the shove count as a heavy hit

holy shit

[south garnet]

one is for loose cannon cops, one is for cowboys

[still leaf]

rofl

[drowsy kayak]

you gotta put on "wow wow" when you use the agrippna /j

[still leaf]

is the cowboy one like a KF2 gun? more accurate than it looks but you have to get used to the lack of crosshair to use it effectively on the go?

or braced?

[patent valley]

that vet in the background has this laspistol

[livid fractal]

how htis

[dark sorrel]

without Run 'n' gun (run n gun reduces spread now) it kinda sucks at medium ranges

[mystic escarp]

They definitely not going anywhere tonight

[dark sorrel]

Yeah you can try to click their head but its not always going to lmao

Its more of an "Oh shit" burst-fire kind of gun

You need to deliberately spec into talents for it to rival the revolver in terms of range

[livid fractal]

this a good starting point? or should i keep rolling

[still leaf]

copy; is it worth trying out, d'ya think? I've been loving the plasma's 'make that not exist' capacity, but I can definitely appreciate the revolver's reloads by comparison

but that ammo count tho

[livid fractal]

also hows this so far

[dark sorrel]

Its worth trying out because its the most fun I've ever had with a gun period.

[still leaf]

well alrighty then ❤️

[dark sorrel]

I'm actually not sure about all or nothing 🤷‍♂️

Because I never run it on any weapon lol

[scenic bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/keymash-gif-23003999

Me spamming ability to get toughness to survive the fire

[dark sorrel]

fr

[brave scarab]

meta blessing/perks for boltgun?

[tall torrent]

This is ok

AoN is better on standard shovel than on mk3 tho

Could just harvest if u want

[dark sorrel]

How does All or Nothing even work

[tall torrent]

The lower your stamina is, the more power (dmg, stagger & cleave) you have

Standard shovel’s best single target move is push attack which is an overhead strike

[finite imp]

It would be really cool if they updated the blessing description

[tall torrent]

You’re gonna push attack a lot so you get a lot of dmg out of AoN

[languid stump]

Fun fact! the new shovel is based on a real shovel design used by the us army in ww2

[dark sorrel]

The difference is actually really important in normal gameplay 💀

[finite imp]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

Also, you can never fully utilize AoN because it works in “stacks”

Full 5 stacks only appear when you’re at 0% stamina

[dark sorrel]

I'm sure the close range damage doesn't do much for breakpoints but its a nice cherry on top

[tall torrent]

Otherwise it’s 4 stacks

I’d assume, lv4 AoN (40% power) is 8% power per 20% stamina lost, smth like that

So keeping yourself around 20% stamina would net the best results at +32% power

AoN is good on the standard shovel

Mk3 I think you’re looking for skullcrusher + uncanny strike
@livid fractal

[livid fractal]

how are the alright

*alright

[tall torrent]

U can take this to gold if you have the resources to spare

[foggy wadi]

this good enough to buy and change some stats?

[tall torrent]

I wouldn’t really use it

[languid stump]

How’s this look so far? I plan on changing the perks and the blessings later

[winter pivot]

so since Recon is fucked again, what's the recommended replacement, for a crit lasgun build?

[grave cargo]

This game is now spamming a comical amount of ragers

They are a lot easier to hit breakpoints on though

[crimson bloom]

What we thinking abbout these rolls? Worth copping?

[crisp bronze]

Here's my shovel. Any recommendations for perks and blessings?

[crimson bloom]

@crisp bronze Maybbe some Flak Dmg?

Instead of elite

[foggy wadi]

what is the weapons alternate fire again? right click and aim?

[crimson bloom]

Yes.

Any rightclick

Is alternative

Special attack is unique weapon ability

[foggy wadi]

ty

[crimson bloom]

Best I can explain In laymen terms lol

[crisp bronze]

Hmm ok what about blessings?

[terse idol]

Replace AoN, with uhhh

[ebon umbra]

ignore the second psyker dont roast him pls. im happy i was able to carry

[terse idol]

Maybe uncanny

How do people think about skull crusher?

[tall torrent]

Right click
Except for plasma, plasma doesn’t have an “alternate fire” mode (cannot trigger deadshot by holding right click)

[crisp bronze]

Is skullcrusher the one that gives extra damage if the target is already staggered?

[carmine cradle]

honestly ya dont need a ton to make teh shovel hit some pretty gross breakpoints

[tall torrent]

Swap crit dmg to maniac/carapace/flak
Swap AoN to uncanny strike

[celest vine]

You dont need ammo regen with infantry lasguns

Every crit in a salvo will count as “not using ammo”

[crimson bloom]

@crisp bronze Yeah AoN not really worth imo

[tall torrent]

I don’t think u need deadshot
And I’d personally still take survivalist for team support

[celest vine]

Jacks your crit rate to 45%

Absolutely you do

[crimson bloom]

@crisp bronze Maybe Thrust?

[tall torrent]

U run triple stamina curios?

[celest vine]

I run one with regen

And spot regen

Its not an issue

[crimson bloom]

Bruv I do the same but with a Recon

Oh man it is some braindead gameplay

[tall torrent]

I think you really want at least one of the stamina regen delay nodes if you’re gonna run deadshot

[crimson bloom]

Barely need to pickup ammo

[celest vine]

I have 2

[tall torrent]

You have neither

[terse idol]

Yeah, but I gotta get to the drawing board

[celest vine]

24% faster stamina regen

[tall torrent]

That’s not what I’m talking about

[celest vine]

Plus 3 stamina

With one curio

[tall torrent]

What you want is -0.25s stamina regen delay

[crisp bronze]

So the new shovel heavy special attacks stagger on hit everytime right? Does that mean the damage when you pull the shovel out gets buffed by skullcrusher? Maybe? Anyone test this?

[tall torrent]

It’s a talent node on the tree

[terse idol]

AON just isn't good so

[celest vine]

I know

[terse idol]

Hmm

[tall torrent]

And you have neither

[celest vine]

It doesnt make a difference

After extensive game testing

[carmine cradle]

shovel

[crimson bloom]

Jumped on my Psyker brushing off the layer of dust and I remember last I played I got this god tier roll

Too bad I dont play Psyk

[rancid echo]

i swear to god i fucking hate diff 4 matchmaking

[winter pivot]

cheers!

[rancid echo]

i just want to level my zealot and these people are so bad

[crimson bloom]

I'll play a game or two with you

If you need help

[celest vine]

Can chance around to get bonus crit chance, every other shot on mine is a crit

[rancid echo]

im in one with my friend atm but you can send me your code thingy

[south garnet]

play 5s if possible. the people there aren't... better, but they are more consistent about thinking they're incredible and making the same predictable mistakes over and over

[crimson bloom]

5220062191

[tall torrent]

What breakpoint does redirect fire give MG1A

[celest vine]

1 shot headshot on close range dreg ragers

You could already do that on long range, cause of the reverse damage falloff

[tall torrent]

That’s at max 5 stacks of redirect fire with 2 stack of tag?

[celest vine]

If its a crit you dont even need spot

Non crits youll need the boost and spot

Its more there to boost up your team

[tall torrent]

Non-crit weakpoint from MG1A can one shot dreg ragers??

[celest vine]

After the dreg rager nerf yes

Its funny

[tall torrent]

Can u show

[celest vine]

Let me reboot the game

[tall torrent]

Thx

[celest vine]

I swapped the spot with superiority complex and it works too

[tall torrent]

Ik SC gives u a decent dmg boost for 1a’s breakpoints

[celest vine]

redirect fire I mean

Ive 5 stack one hit scab ragers in a game

Probably crit

Actually definitly crit

@tall torrent crit headshots (which this build is) can one hit dreg ragers

Heavily damage scab ragers

1 hit crit headshot scab flamers, non crit headshot trappers

[languid stump]

This baby is my pride and joy ngl

I run it mainly on my melee-and-shouty build

[snow pendant]

oh man i hate that new warren map

newbies/idiots just turn into looting tourist instead of going to the stairs that head down at the bridge part

[celest vine]

Big takeaway is that the MG1A is absurdly strong with the rager nerf

[rancid echo]

dont wanna take a lv 23 into 5s, feels like a burden but 4 players are just absolute dogshit terrible

[celest vine]

Seriously, 3-4 shot bodyshot depending on if you crit is insane

[rancid echo]

seeing people die to single dregs and gunners is so stupid

[snow pendant]

just dont play the new part 2 map too many times i play in pugs and they just fuck off being a tourist, instead of heading for the stairs to go down when we reach the broken metal bridge part

[south garnet]

That's very responsible of you. Nobody else is like that in this game lol

[rancid echo]

i dunno how people can come into difficulty 4 without knowing how to deal with a single rager/mauler LOL

ridiculous

it was even low intensity

[snow pendant]

oh plz if u play the new map and u see a psyker just leave , when it comes to breaking the green vads and the final room with the big green container they are utterly useless

[rancid echo]

i run along the far side and break all the vats, turn around and see 1 person down and all vats unbroken along the close side

[snow pendant]

slow , paper and most of em are surge main so the crows or mobs just down them for free

[rancid echo]

its such pain

[south garnet]

I assume people get lost, it's a very open/directionless map in sections which I like actually but I assume people get lost the second there's not a big glowing "enter here" sign

[snow pendant]

yeah same here thats why if u see a psyker just fucking leave unless the psyker is ur premade

now i just leave if i am pubbing and got that main

[finite imp]

Do you need teams brother

[snow pendant]

all of em are tourist idiots that dont know to head to the stairs at the metal broken bridge part

[south garnet]

I just played a vent purge dam on carnival tonight and hahaha took like an hour, fuck

[snow pendant]

too many times i fight a squad of ogryns or monsters alone cuz they fuck off somewhere collecting loot

[finite imp]

Playing with pubbies can be hard on lower difficulty ironically

[grave cargo]

Man Vet is just really strong again now

The shift up of the tree really let you just do damage in general

[languid scarab]

Well this is slightly tragic. Made a Bolter/Weapons Specialist build and Executioner's Stance doesn't proc Ranged Specialist.... looks super bugged.

[jaunty sphinx]

is there an optimal height for melee gamefeel? I'm a min height character cause I thought a tiny zealot would be funny but I just feel kinda off when im aiming my melees as opposed to my max height vet

[grave cargo]

You still kinda don't need any keystones either

[rancid echo]

just me and a friend atm, down to get 2 people for 4/5s

[jaunty sphinx]

oops wrong channel

[finite imp]

Idk I see a lot of zealots go short so people can fire over them

[jaunty sphinx]

carry on fellow vets

[snow pendant]

yeah and is buttfuck all of the pubs they dont learn map fast and like to tour around like an idiot, while i'm struggling against squads of armor or solo monster when i trigger them while heading for the stair

[jaunty sphinx]

I was thinking that too

[grave cargo]

You can takemost anything you do want, but, I just took my shooter vet and by far got the most melee kills because you can hit some real nice BPs just on weakspot stacking

[finite imp]

Just cuz I'm a gun nut doesn't mean I can't think critically

[violet roost]

What's a good melee for pure horde clear?

[rancid echo]

power sword

[mystic belfry]

I just crouch if I need to

[violet roost]

Hm. I didn't really vibe with the power sword, any others?

[mystic belfry]

I like to put the slider higher than starting, but not at max. You end up roughly level with heads when swinging

[rancid echo]

devil claw

[snow pendant]

1 psyker and 3 tourist at the new map man it was such a pain to play

[mystic belfry]

Rashad axe

[violet roost]

any particular mark?

[mystic belfry]

4

It's not that great of a horde clear though, it's mixed utility with great usage in parry.

[finite imp]

ok sec lemme plug headset in

[celest vine]

Mk6 light attack and Mk3 heavy attack straight out kill hordes

[mystic belfry]

If you want simple horde clear. Rashad will do it very quickly, the original shovel will do it very safely

[snow pendant]

the fastest horde clear a vet can have is the shredder grenade

[mystic belfry]

No.

[snow pendant]

vet have better anti armor weapon than horde clear

[grave cargo]

Devil claw is extremely good at horse clear

It’s just terrible for mixed

[mystic belfry]

That's a significant problem

[celest vine]

And fartshart had to nerf chainswords cleave

[grave cargo]

Stack weakspot and melee buffs and it shreds trash but it’s very weak to flak and carapace

[snow pendant]

i have my grenadier build where i take every node that gives me grenade

[flint garden]

when the randos all fall apart on the first encounter

[mystic belfry]

Shovel and rashad axe tear up normal and mixed hordes extremely well through their own means, stagger and massive damage respectively

[celest vine]

So chainsword isnt the horde clearer jt was

[snow pendant]

laspistol for shooters and new shovel anti armor

its great

[celest vine]

Which is why most people use power sword again

It just cleaves

[grave cargo]

I’m still revolver oceloting

[snow pendant]

i just pull out rager heads 1 by 1 in quick succession with new shovel is great

[snow pendant]

for a better cleave it needs brutal momentum

[grave cargo]

It’s actually easier to one shot ogryn now because you can easily get the 20% base damage buff despite the rending nerf

[snow pendant]

the old or new revolver

[celest vine]

Sunder works too

[grave cargo]

Old

[mystic belfry]

So does Rashad.

[grave cargo]

Don’t think you can one shot crushers with new revolver

[snow pendant]

good lad , nvr let that special or elite run away behind a wall of meat

[mystic belfry]

Also, do not use Sunder, use specifically burtal momentum and power cycler

Sunder is significantly worse

[snow pendant]

hell no u might as well fan the ogryn to make sure its dead

[grave cargo]

Sunder is pretty great rn

[mystic belfry]

Even level 1 brutal momentum and level 3 power cycler is fine.

[grave cargo]

Unless they nerfed it

[mystic belfry]

It's not awful, but it's awful compared to BM

[grave cargo]

It goes through bulwark shields for one and has near equal cleave

You only lose the 15% bonus weakspot damage unless you have like 20 guys stacked

[celest vine]

It wont deal damage through shields

[snow pendant]

brutal moment and power cycler , swing at head level and u cleave crowds so fast only a knife ogryn can compete

[mystic belfry]

It does have usage against shields. It does not have more useful cleave.

[celest vine]

But it can stagger

[mystic belfry]

BM causes you to kill more per swing

For the first ~3 enemies you one-shot with BM it does not start ticking down your cleave damage

So you basically kill +3 enemies per indivudual swing when using BM, it's clears hordes signficantly faster than sunder

[snow pendant]

its the 2nd fastest crowd clear behind knife ogryn

[grave cargo]

Sure but you’re acting like being third best is somehow bad

[celest vine]

Im not wasting plastic at hadrons to change my sunder 4 for brutal momentum

[snow pendant]

3rd is the new eviserator for zealot

[grave cargo]

Sunder is imo on par with BM

[mystic belfry]

Brutal momentum 1 is better than sunder :v

[grave cargo]

You lose a little bit of chaff clear but it helps with armored mixed hordes

Has its place for sure

[celest vine]

Chaff is easy to kill anyway

[mystic belfry]

You can run w/e you want, power sword is a good weapon eveb naked. But it's worse by a good bit

[celest vine]

Swing again

[mystic belfry]

it also works on ragers

[grave cargo]

All you really need is power cycler

[snow pendant]

if is powersword 6 BM even helps 1 combo armor if u aim at the head

[mystic belfry]

You're kill more per swing because you're at full damage after killing two enemies with a headshot

[grave cargo]

That’s the only mandatory blessing for PS because it feels like ass without it now

[celest vine]

Its one of those weapons where 3/4 options can be good and its still great

[snow pendant]

no no no no no , without power cycler dont even touch it

[finite imp]

which is more important for revolver flak or maniac

[mystic belfry]

You can use it even naked

[snow pendant]

nvr ever run a power sword without power cycler

[grave cargo]

Probably maniac tbh

[mystic belfry]

Power cycler is just a massive amp, even just power cycler 3

[finite imp]

kk

[celest vine]

“Bricking” a powersword does not happen much if you have cycler 4 in your blessing pouch

[mystic belfry]

Maniac

[grave cargo]

You still 1 tap flak enemies without it

[finite imp]

coolio

ty

[grave cargo]

I would argue, revolver probably benefits the least from flak in general

[finite imp]

that guy asking for help is in a match rn so im just waiting

[grave cargo]

I have maniac carapace on mine

[mystic belfry]

Power sword is pretty easy because you can make do fine with BM 1, power cycler 3, and Maniac damage, and you're not that far off a BiS roll

[grave cargo]

With Ragers losing 200 health I'm actually not sure if you even still need Maniac

[snow pendant]

without power cycler that thing is too useless to use

[grave cargo]

That was the whole point of going for it, flak and maniac, to 1 tap Ragers, but they have less health now

[mystic belfry]

That's just false, really. It does make it much better to even have +1 extra swing though

[grave cargo]

It's not useless but

PC3 takes it from A tier to S tier

[mystic belfry]

Yes

[grave cargo]

It's really such a dramatic increase in power to get power cycler, just 3 is the powerspike

[snow pendant]

ideally pc4

[grave cargo]

4 is nice but it's not really necessary, the big jump is getting two quick energized lights on 6

[mystic belfry]

Yeah, PC4 is a decent amp, it's just not the utterly massive jump that PC3 is

[grave cargo]

Basically lets you instantly wipe any melee enemies and guarantee another energize so you can loop

[mystic belfry]

PC3 gives your two-hit single-target combo, and also a decent two-hit horde clear. PC4 is just making your horde clear a three-hit combo

[grave cargo]

3 swings is arguably inefficient in some scenarios

[mystic belfry]

No reason to not take it, but if you have other weapons to craft I'd move on imo

[grave cargo]

You might just just want to cycle 2 energized lights

PC4 is most useful against mutants and crushers, you can 2 tap ragers already

[mystic belfry]

It's good for mixed hordes and regular hordes in general, it just makes things a bit faster

Rashad is also a BM weapon for sure

[marsh condor]

Should I?

[visual horizon]

hey anyone got an infiltrate revive build?

[finite imp]

Foxhopes soft level with vet is 368 lmao

sweet jesus

[marsh condor]

Should I buy this Chainsword?

[vague charm]

whats a good autogun? theres so many

[slim shard]

Graia if you wanna spray and pray, Agrippa if you want less pew and more dakka, Columnus for a nice middle ground

[vague charm]

which mark of each is preferred?

[slim shard]

Yes.

(They're equivilant, it depends on build)

People tend to go Agrippa though

[vague charm]

kk

[devout atlas]

ugh I gotta do weekend classes

I wanna gameeee

[spark helm]

Got any weapons thta you enjoy in particular?

[atomic zephyr]

you mixed columnus and graia

columnus is the bullet hose

[slim shard]

Graia shoot faster if you hold

[atomic zephyr]

thats just the braced no?

[visual horizon]

currently running the combat knife with bleed on vet. The speed and mobility feels great

[sly haven]

why is columnus V predisposed for the same fucking 3 blessings

[devout atlas]

they're all good and it's ultimately down to preference. I like the Agri IAG as it seems to have built in Rend. Slower firerate makes it efficient on Deadshot. Don't run brittleness on it you'd be wasting talent points. It's exceptional on Exec Stance as you get a laser beam that deletes just about everything even doing decent boss damage.

[sly haven]

i've NEVER rolled dumdum on a single one of the columnus v's ive made

[atomic zephyr]

rng moment

[south garnet]

@serene sage DORK LMAO

[spark helm]

Depending on how you want to do ranged combat, you can pull off just about anything. Personally would recommend a columnus isince it's just fun, shotgun maybe if you're running weapon specialist, plasma gun since it's just a solid weapon to give you a cleaner shot of killin power if you're lacking a bit for bigger threats.

If you're taking a keystone, that's where it'll get interesting for how your weapon choices will pan out in performance and approach to make it work.

[devout atlas]

Try the new knife out. It loses some single target DPS as it can't punch stab spam instead relying on punch light heavy heavy but it gets surprisingly powerful lights that can control hordes far better.

[bright elk]

6620403101

[slim shard]

Graia also recently got a buff

It's great now

[sly haven]

whats the differences between the inf autos

[devout atlas]

graia brauto

[atomic zephyr]

when was the graia buffed? i tried it after patch 13 or whenever the autoguns got changed around and i didnt like it all that much

[sly haven]

besides fire rate

[devout atlas]

I think they asked about iags

[strange crow]

The Graia Mk VIII?

[atomic zephyr]

felt like it lacked the DPS of a colmnus and the impact of an agrippina

[spark helm]

If you're going raw utility junky, you can still get away with things if your weapons are consistent enough for the difficulty you're playing on.

Combat knife is just fun and synergizes well. Do what you want.

[sly haven]

there's always good old rashad

magnetizes to heads

[atomic zephyr]

chainswords <3

also i hear the new chainaxe is decent

[spark helm]

Forgot how people are pulling screenshots.

I can just make one up, maybe explain a bit.

No numbers from me, this is just how the function ought to work.

[atomic zephyr]

god i wish the kantrael laspistol was good.

[serene sage]

what

[south garnet]

I have great news

[serene sage]

im confused

[atomic zephyr]

oh?

[south garnet]

I heard your secret vet level

[serene sage]

what how you know

[atomic zephyr]

the kant laspistol just feels outperformed when put into the role of a backup weapon for a melee shout build that id like to put it on

get much better results out of a zarona

but i really really want to like the laspistol.

[serene sage]

are people stalking me p.p

[devout atlas]

Agri IAG is slow, accurate, hard hitting and has high cleave and rend.
Brauto version has more ammo and damage but less rend.

Graia IAG is low recoil and medium firerate.
Graia brautos hipfire is the sameish, but the brace doubles the firerate.

Columnus IAG is blazingly fast with pretty severe damage drop off but can output huge DPS.
Brauto is more of the same I think, only brauto I've never given a solid chance.

[visual horizon]

Gonna try out the plasma gun, i was running revolvers. I still need to roll for a flame shotgun

[south garnet]

I was gonna type a bunch of shit but I got tired near the end and deleted it

[devout atlas]

in analogue terms
Agri IAG is a SCAR-H
Graia IAG is an M16
Columnus IAG is a Famas

[atomic zephyr]

chad

[snow pendant]

yeah but doesnt cleave hordes like a psword does

[atomic zephyr]

agri IAG radiates FAL to me thats why i love the thing

[sly haven]

anyone compared the dps on them at different ranges

cause it doesn't feel like falloff has been a problem often if ever on colum iag

[atomic zephyr]

holy shit the emperor gave me this piece of garbage at some point

[sly haven]

fucking HERETIC, taking the emperor's name in vain

[atomic zephyr]

ill stop when he stops giving me weapons with damage dump stats

[south garnet]

Every single 380 I've got has max mobility and dumped a critical stat

[devout atlas]

just gonna warn you that the Kant shotgun is fairly weak on Vet. Lawbringer does a better job in both special sniping and horde-clear. Fire shotty is Zealots bread and butter as they can boost the fire DOT damage with Chastise

[mystic belfry]

It does a very well actually. With headtaker and BM, without having to stop to charge cancel, you clear hordes very, very fast

[jade notch]

Story of my life

😦

[mystic belfry]

Rashad is crazy horde clear

[livid peak]

What full auto gun that isn't the bolter is most viable? Me likey full auto

[snow pendant]

ur take away is that it still realiably 1-2 headshot most things unless is ogryn , has more ammo and very accurate when hipfiring this patch i am going deep into laspistol especially the new one
laspistol + new shovel as anti armor along a grenadier build with shredder greande is awesome when u can clear crowds then just take off the heads of armor that left standing

[atomic zephyr]

anyway, what perks should i aim for on a kantrael laspistol? dumdum felt...meh on it.

[mystic belfry]

Columnus infantry

[spark helm]

@visual horizon

basic idea is to give yourself a shiton of utility, especially of coherency. use your movement to secure people that go down while still having your own means of popping things that are bigger.

If you're not running something like krak, maybe consider investing in something ranged that has solid killing power vs elite enemies to lessen how often you may need to be riskier with your infiltration dmg windows.

[livid peak]

thanks!

[snow pendant]

with psword u can wade into the crowd cleaving u do that with axe u go down especially if is a mixed horde in my experience

[atomic zephyr]

...that's a pretty good idea. i already run plasma gun and chainsword on my grenadier build but i can see it working

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

should i roll it

[mystic belfry]

You can do that with rashad, you just need the correct rolls.

[livid peak]

i wouldn't, damage is stinky on it

[visual horizon]

yeah, let me give that a try on damnation

[spark helm]

Worst thing about it is if your team playing solid, you probably could've just done less altruistic talents but it's whatever, you're looking for picking ppl up and stuff. In dense fights you can use your infiltrate to also just give people a shot in the arm.

If you take born leader, I think you need to be actually refilling your own toughness to provide the benefit.

[snow pendant]

is more than working because no one talks about laspistol i am surprised how well it is , because laspitol blessing is just dumdum and infernus when u land a crit shot u also help against monsters or boss fight setting them on fire

[mystic belfry]

Las pistol is one of my favorite guns

The old one, to be clear

[snow pendant]

heck no 61dmg is ass

[atomic zephyr]

bruh i just dismantled my infernus for t4 infernus laspistol because last time i asked about it i was told infernus sucked on it

[mystic belfry]

Also, you can run ghost or raking fire on laspistol as well

[snow pendant]

the new one when it crits is mostly 1 shot headshot tho

[spark helm]

If you're lacking some things, you could go with something safer and more reliable like whatever plasma gun you want, shaving off some of the talents and scuring the midding tree keystone at minimum. Free damag for targets you want to take down anyway so /shrug

[jade notch]

Didn't they fix that issue with Born Leader? That you don't need to be at less than Max Toughness to let Teammates gain Toughness?

[mystic belfry]

Still like the old one better

[snow pendant]

what kinda stat rolls are we talking

[livid peak]

sounds kinda fun like that. Ciaphus Cain would be proud

[south garnet]

It's literally the only gun besides recon Las that infernus is actually good on lol

[mystic belfry]

Maniac with Unarmored or Flak, BM, Headtaker

[snow pendant]

if u got the resources give it a try

[devout atlas]

It's so reliable with Deadshot and exceedingly good with Exec stance

[atomic zephyr]

well at least i have t4 infernus now

[spark helm]

I wouldn't know, main reason why I phrased it like that. I'd hope so, I literally never read a single thing about it so I can't confirm anything by my own words.

[livid peak]

well, gosh darn it, I think I will

[atomic zephyr]

huh.

i think that's bricked

but..

[mystic belfry]

Very bricked

[atomic zephyr]

yeah

oh well

[south garnet]

Glad I'm not the only one burning plasteel today

[atomic zephyr]

how's this?

[spark helm]

If it's working then you pretty much made yourself a solidly shittier, but selfishly safer voc sort of

[atomic zephyr]

yeah im only rolling 2 weapons to orange tonight

[marsh condor]

Should I buy this?

[mystic belfry]

Doable, swap your blessings

[ebon umbra]

anyone know the sweet spot for the dreg gunner's flak armor?

having a little trouble

[south garnet]

swap blessings and it's serviceable for sure

[atomic zephyr]

dreg gunner is all flak

[mystic belfry]

Only if you need savage sweep 3

[atomic zephyr]

just shoot em in the head

[jade notch]

Yep, from the latest update: https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-traitor-curse-part-2-anniversary-update-out-now/88606

[devout atlas]

My only issue with Rashad other than it's fuckass push attack and special is the attack speed. Yes it can kill a lot of enemies in one swing but Mk3 shovel can kill a lot in two and that things damn near the speed of devil claws lights

[south garnet]

Blessings fuck

[ebon umbra]

dreg is yellow and is unarmored and has a lil bit of flak. scab is all flak

[mystic belfry]

Just run it with right capstone for 25% attack speed total.

[marsh condor]

So a no otherwise?

[mystic belfry]

aye

[spark helm]

Oh...yeah I'm getting on and trying that build anyway.

[marsh condor]

Aight.

[spark helm]

That's hot.

[atomic zephyr]

oh right mixed em up

....i dunno, just shoot in the head. they die faster that way
i believe the dreg gunner head is unarmored

[marsh condor]

Yep

[devout atlas]

Savage Sweep is for once pretty good. Keep block eff and put Rampage and Flak on it

[jade notch]

Godspeed

[marsh condor]

They do have more health, though.

[atomic zephyr]

for what? id slap on handcannon-surgical but that doesnt seem right for this revolver lol

[south garnet]

Crucian is better for this revolver than surgical imo, but keep handcannon

[devout atlas]

Then my Mk3 swings 25% faster too 😵‍💫 have you tried the new chaxe on wep specialist btw? It's amazing

[atomic zephyr]

oh hey i have t4 crucian letsgo

[mystic belfry]

It's fine, it's not better than rashad though

I'd also use rashad over mk3 p sword any day of the week

[devout atlas]

I disagree tbh

[snow pendant]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ace281a-8eae-4f9e-9064-d3719752ed6b/laspistol-5?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button @atomic zephyr this is my laspistol build , dont have to follow it to a T but i zoom and headshot , clear crowds and remove armor heads mortal kombat style with shovel

[stoic igloo]

lights out is wild. i normally do dam but just did the lights out maelstrom on heresy and wtf

[umbral scaffold]

In the 41st millennium there are no NVGs

[jade notch]

Things get more chaotic during Lights Out and Vent Purge, it's funny 😄

[stoic igloo]

different goddam game when you cant see 5 feet

[mystic belfry]

Lights out is a different kind of intense

[stoic igloo]

barely knew where to go just flowing with the group

[jade notch]

Sorry, only the Stormies/Tempestus Scions get the gucci stuff. Not us poor sods.

[mystic belfry]

Spamfire plasma for light :v

[stoic igloo]

and ive dome that mission alot with the lghts on

[marsh condor]

Oh yeah, I forgot I have Bloodthirsty for some reason.

[umbral scaffold]

Rifle lights irl are a lot more powerful than in Darktide, the Darktide flashlights have the same amount of lumens as a pen light

[bright elk]

Very helpful for good builds

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/

[stoic igloo]

next time i play a lights out im a put the weapons mod to 100% flashlight spawn fuck if its "cheating"

[snow pendant]

idk what they said to u unless u wanna be a ninja and use raking fire to shoot them in the back , the best blessing combo for laspistol is dumdum + infernus thats all u get , also means the pistol already has all the raw power it needs

[marsh condor]

Blame the AdMechs for hoarding the good shit.

[merry oak]

there are NVG's in 40k just the mourning star dont have em lol

[atomic zephyr]

ah well, it wasn’t a great Kant X roll anyway

[marsh condor]

Like the much better version of the Chain weapons in general, Transonic weapons.

[atomic zephyr]

I’ll just spam non auric damnations until im comfy with my plasteel count again

[snow pendant]

imagine fucking it up with smoke grenade spam

utter troll move

[umbral scaffold]

America gives its grunts nvgs why can’t inquisitors give their auric operatives the good shit

[snow pendant]

stingy arse

[atomic zephyr]

some techpriest throwing a hissy fit probably

[stoic igloo]

hell i was aviation in the army and i still got to use NVgs

and thats as far from grunt as it gets

[devout atlas]

First couple games with it I wouldn't have said this, but the trick to the new chaxe is camera manipulation; swing your view towards the attack to extend the hurtbox width.

Due to Slaughrerer/Headtaker you'll have enough power to handle any horde density, so while at lower density Rashad will win out, at Auric Damn clusterfucks the new chaxe will.

New chaxe also fucks up crushers. 3 heavies or 1 special. Push attack has high as fuck stagger values and comes out damn near instantly. It also decimates Ragers which is arguably Rashads biggest stinker.

Give it a honest try with the camera swing technique, it absolutely fucks once you master it.

Just one asteriks

[marsh condor]

I'm using the Antax Combaxe

[devout atlas]

My one has Infested/Cara Slaughterer/Thrust

[stoic igloo]

i do that with Savage Sweep. drag the swing like im playing chiv to hit as many as possibly with cleave

[devout atlas]

that infested might actually be meta

[marsh condor]

I remember when it used to be great with Bromentum.

[devout atlas]

but was really just accidental on my part

[merry oak]

inconsistencies and different level of technologies with every star system

there are worlds out there reenacting the 19th century dark ages

[dusty bluff]

Rending Strike + Onslaught any good for Columnus IAG or do I only need one of them?

[devout atlas]

Try em out in Psychanium and see which one is better. Likely Rending.

[mystic belfry]

Accelerating swings can be handy, yeah. I'd still take rashad for anti-horde

[devout atlas]

Rashad will be better outside of super high density yeah. I just like everything else Chaxe brings to the table.

[umbral scaffold]

atoma prime and the mourningstar seem to otherwise have a "standard" level of tech for the imperium and canonically we are not far from Terra and the rest of the sol system

[devout atlas]

I rate weapons in their versatility more than anything.

[mystic belfry]

... Why do you think rashad is worse in high density?

[compact briar]

Hey whats a good gun for executioner stance style build

[mystic belfry]

Vraks 7, Columnus Infantry, Laspistol

[devout atlas]

BM has a limit to its effectiveness. I know from using it that Rashad at ultra dense packs suffers. Chaxe gets incredibly high cleave from its power boosting blessings and consistently 2 shots all hordes.

Just from my own observations.

[mystic belfry]

It doesn't really. It just staggers less per swing

if i want a stagger horde clear I'd reach for the original shovel, especially with the buff

[compact briar]

which of those do you prefer and what blessings do you use on it?

[mystic belfry]

Las pistol, Dumdum Infernus if you take deadshot, Dumdum Ghost or Raking Fire if you don't

[atomic zephyr]

adding onto ascend, helbore and infantry lasguns too

[devout atlas]

I'm confused at wym by stagger horde-clear. Rashad just objectively struggles when hordes become mega dense from how BM functions.

[compact briar]

the one with the bayonette?

[atomic zephyr]

that’s the helbore yes

[mystic belfry]

it doesn't, becuase BM weapons that can one-shot would clear the horde faster

high stagger weapons will clear the horde easier

[compact briar]

which mk should i use?

i like hellbore generally so far

[merry oak]

from all the books ive read knowledge about and capabilities of night vision optics only appeared once, in faith and fire, thermal sight is referred to as "prey sight" is reserved to space marines and sisters of battle, i have yet to see inquisitorial warbands mention night optics that we know as much to my knowlage.

[mystic belfry]

Shovels, new axe, or any other similar "norma" high cleave weapons will stagger more enemies per swing

Good BM weapons like rashad or power sword will kill more enemies per swing

[atomic zephyr]

entirely personal preference, i like 2 for high ROF but 3 is practically a cannon and 1 is a nice balance

oh wait, mk3 has a shitty bayonet attack

so if you use that keep that in mind

the other two have pretty high damage and fast stabbers

[devout atlas]

Chaxe doesn't just stagger them. Power directly affects cleave. Slaughterer/Headtaker will let you distribute large amounts of damage to more enemies.

[mystic belfry]

Indeed, it's a normal high cleave option

But it's damage still will rapidly fall off compared to BM weapons

[compact briar]

wgat blessings do you use for helbore 2

[atomic zephyr]

onslaught no respite

[compact briar]

thanks 🙂

[mystic belfry]

Surgical can be good too

[compact briar]

need flak or anything for breakpoints?

[atomic zephyr]

surgical also works in place of no respite yes

uhh I don’t actually remember I just slap flak maniac on everything

[devout atlas]

My chaxe at max slaughterer does a good 80% damage to poxwalkers and insta kills like 2 dregs before damage starts dropping off. It puts big packs down to two hits fairly consistently

[atomic zephyr]

give it a test in psykanium ig

[deft ivy]

no respite good replacement for full bore until i get man-stopper?

[devout atlas]

Honestly tempted to see how it performs with slaughterer and headtaker

[merry oak]

bayonet is best melee weapon wished the kantreal models have them

[devout atlas]

might need to farm for one

actually could just put headtaker on mine

[atomic zephyr]

eh bayonets are alright maybe I just haven’t built for them properly

[mystic belfry]

You don't need to build for them. Just don't use mk3 bayonet

[devout atlas]

I'd use bayonets if I didn't hate Helbores

[mystic belfry]

^

[atomic zephyr]

but the fact that they’re viable now has done wonders for my exe stance build

that’s valid

[devout atlas]

Give me a bayonet Agri IAG

[atomic zephyr]

my opinion on helbore sways wildly

[merry oak]

two tap mutants in damnation, instakill hounds too

to eatch his own

[mystic belfry]

Just give me a spear with bayonet as light attacks

[atomic zephyr]

very true I have done that

[devout atlas]

By the time I kill two Gunners with a helbore I've cleared the room with an Agri IAG

[atomic zephyr]

are you not one hitting the gunners?

[merry oak]

yea one tapping dogs is great

[devout atlas]

Yes

even with one taps included

[atomic zephyr]

guess it’s the charge

[devout atlas]

mhm

[merry oak]

or more practice

[devout atlas]

Can Helbore 3 1 tap Crushers

[merry oak]

yes but i dont like the threes

[atomic zephyr]

idk sometimes I’ll pick up a helbore and become chris kyle incarnate and sometimes I’ll get a surprise free frontal lobotomy

[merry oak]

MK2's are my bread and butter

[devout atlas]

I have a god Hb3 but it needed 2 shots for Crushers

[mystic belfry]

Tbh right now bayonets are so good it would be silly to take mk3 over mk2

[merry oak]

yea i got the bayonet on a macro

[devout atlas]

I might pull out my mk2 from retirement

[mystic belfry]

Macro

[merry oak]

i love the game but im not getting carpel tunnel

[devout atlas]

So what do you need for the bayo bug? Ik it's BM but isn't there another blessing

[mystic belfry]

Getting carpel tunnel from clicking fast
See above image

[vague charm]

Hey how good are full auto builds on auric?

[mystic belfry]

Bugs gone, you don't need it.

[merry oak]

patched it

[mystic belfry]

Columnus infantry is one of the main meta guns

[merry oak]

was fun while it lasted

[devout atlas]

it's actually just good in general?

[merry oak]

uea

yea

[mystic belfry]

Yes.

[vague charm]

that the blue smg one?

[mystic belfry]

I've run a mk2 in my pocket for pure memes as if I was using two melee weapons lol

[merry oak]

bayonet two taps mutants in damnation

enough said lol

[mystic belfry]

idr, it's the fastest firing infantry

[vague charm]

that?

[mystic belfry]

Bayonet is crazy when you realize you can pair it with a pure horde clear melee :v

Yes, that

[vague charm]

kk

Im not really a fan of it, its fire rate is nuts but it has just terrible recoil

[merry oak]

i find the middle tree is better for bayonet since you can have 10% melee damage and all the other buffs in the tree

[devout atlas]

All 3 IAGs are great for different reasons, Graia maybe being the weakest as it works better on Zeal and Psyk

[rancid echo]

@finite imp ggs

[mystic belfry]

They're all completely usable. Colomnus just does the best job

The only hill I'll die on for autos is that I will not use braced over infantry, ever

[finite imp]

didn't do my best those matches

idk why

maybe i mtired

[rancid echo]

all good, way better than the randos we had before

we had big throwers who kept farming

[finite imp]

big throwers?

[devout atlas]

I prefer Agri IAG for a few reasons

[rancid echo]

like they'd just throw the mission to farm some dregs and get downed

for no reason

when 3/4 are in elevator

[finite imp]

jesus im glad i never run into players like that

[rancid echo]

stuff like that

[jade notch]

Bruh

Just finish the damn Mission and get some Plasteel for the trouble, damn

[wanton dawn]

Beyonet

[merry oak]

same, ive had relatively sane groups since launch

[mystic belfry]

I'm still scratching my head on why they nerfed grenade gauntlet melee but haven't nerfed bayonets

[merry oak]

bayonet drill

ww2 manual

iirc

[merry oak]

not enough people use them

in all the matches ive been in i was the only one

probably

[mystic belfry]

People don't look at stat screens or test stuff much

[wanton dawn]

Never seen one besides me either

[devout atlas]

Imho if I wanna use Columnus then I'd just play my Psyker.

[mystic belfry]

🤔 Okay

[devout atlas]

it's good but Psyker uses it better.

[merry oak]

before the bug fix, on damnation lol

[devout atlas]

Agri IAG on the other hand drains Deadshot at a manageable rate. Damage fall off makes its long distance DPS better over Columnus.

Just my two cents

[merry oak]

that 8% damage is no joke +5 on aura

[pulsar drift]

Man idk

[wanton dawn]

You can still do that

[merry oak]

so like 13% total damage at least

[merry oak]

yea

[pulsar drift]

Some days ago I deleted my loose cannons to taste the cadia vet

Now I am kinda regret

[mystic belfry]

I like the professional vet

[pulsar drift]

Yea I deleted my female vet and changed it to a cadia male vet

But now I want her back lol

[wanton dawn]

Commissar moment

[zealous wyvern]

you miss her

[pulsar drift]

Fatshark not allow changing voice and gender

Sadge

[mystic belfry]

Honestly happy with the voices I picked to start

Even if idr which they all were

[zealous wyvern]

i got it right. i am a professional. i want a professional

[pulsar drift]

Yea I kinda miss her

[merry oak]

i love the salt of the Cadia vet, perfection.

[pulsar drift]

I have the more characters slot mods on

[zealous wyvern]

i would love if there was an even more professional voice

but this is alright i suppose

[wanton dawn]

Professional is mostly pissed sargeant

[pulsar drift]

It’s great at first but I get tired

[mystic belfry]

Exactly

Perfect

[zealous wyvern]

nobody in darktide is like what i want except enforcer a little bit

i want professional and enforcer crossed

[merry oak]

my headcannon is that my Cadia vet is pissed cause they ran out of Cadia uniforms and forced to wear a death korps outfit

[zealous wyvern]

lol

imaginative

[pulsar drift]

The problem I have right now

[merry oak]

smells like dead men walking

[pulsar drift]

Is that I already have like 6 characters

[zealous wyvern]

i do not think he would wear the mask though

[loud hazel]

was just reading the discussion about autoguns a bit earlier.. I've been using the columnus (on both vet/zealot) and i was lucky to get 2 really good rolls on both chars right after hitting 30.. i've since gotten tons of decent braced versions and i was wondering what exactly is their niche/purpose? they all fire slower and you cant ADS them they just seem to be worse versions of the infantry ones?

[mystic belfry]

Mines pissed because he just wants to kill more

[pulsar drift]

If I level up again that would be 7th…and my 3rd vet

[wanton dawn]

Agri brauto has pen

[mystic belfry]

It's been .3 seconds since he was last showered in blood, can't stand it

[zealous wyvern]

9 vets

[pulsar drift]

: ( it’s painful

[zealous wyvern]

and 7 deleted vets

[loud hazel]

just that one specifically or do all the braced ones have more pen?

[zealous wyvern]

i am a guardsman

[low oar]

And the pen is mightier than the sword

[wanton dawn]

Just that one

[merry oak]

i like the deaths head mask personally but ill wait for other Cadia outfits if they are a thing in the future,

[mystic belfry]

I like the penance armor with beta helm

[low oar]

It's an 86% casualty rate. Acceptable losses

[mystic belfry]

The penance helm is good too

[merry oak]

i love the helbore, so i gotta RP like death korp

[mystic belfry]

Not a fan of helbore

[loud hazel]

i think the vet redacted penance gear is the best looking of any class by far

[sly haven]

alright, pretty sure reciprocity is bugged or broken

[mystic belfry]

I'm addicted to the new fanfire revolver though

[wanton dawn]

I dont like hb but i like bayo

[loud hazel]

i pretty much just have to do the no ammo 90% accuracy one and the dont get hit by melee one which will be fun

[zealous wyvern]

i like both

i like most things i am issued

[merry oak]

new weapon class, the spear.

[zealous wyvern]

they are good and varied ways of killing traitors

[wanton dawn]

It is my non-meta guilty pleasure

[merry oak]

now fatshark grenade launcher, then we talkin

i wanna bloop

[wanton dawn]

I want a hb that i can use as a club now

[pulsar drift]

You know what

I am gonna level up a new one

[merry oak]

lol

[pulsar drift]

: ( but I hate leveling

[wanton dawn]

I am not putting 1k lvl into another vet

[merry oak]

been playing the same vet since day 1