veteran-class

[compact briar]

o didnt realize it was the fanner

[devout atlas]

current patch is way better than any other patch for this point though.

[compact briar]

my bad

[cyan breach]

right, what would you reccomend?

[finite imp]

are you a weapon specialist vet or no

[idle pecan]

was gonna run that instead of the VId

[brazen bay]

lol I just hope they leave vet a lone for a while, go fuck with the other classes trees

[cyan breach]

I do like to play weapon specialist

[finite imp]

why supression immunity with a revo

[devout atlas]

Vet is fine rn. Genuinely only things I wanna see is Smoke nade and speed aura buff

[finite imp]

okay get you hand cannon and trickshooter

[elder vessel]

Not using Revo

Using

[finite imp]

oh ok

[elder vessel]

Whatever gun I feel at the moment

[devout atlas]

if he days Plasma....

[finite imp]

right it's mainly a knife build

[brazen bay]

fair but I just wanna breater lol, evertime I get a build going they move the tree around and I gotta start over XD

[finite imp]

bruh if you use my build for a plasma im going to lol at you

[devout atlas]

you can make more builds by pressing the + button on the top right in your equipment selection screen

[dusk idol]

suppression immunity is good for both revolvers

[cyan breach]

Might just leave the trick shooter on it that's already there, since it's only a tiny power difference

Maye swap unyeilidng to maniac

[finite imp]

lotta vets are saying the smoke should have some sort of buff for allies and i agree

[bleak bolt]

wait there's other guns besides plasma?

[finite imp]

what why

[idle pecan]

this is what i run with plasma

any reccomendations

[finite imp]

the revolver is a damager burst weapon by definition

[serene sage]

Deadshot doesn't work

Remove it

[dusk idol]

because if you’re getting suppressed by a gunner and you miss a shot that’s 1/5 of your damage potential gone from a magazine

[brazen bay]

true the only nades really worth using right now imo are the shredder and krak

[elder vessel]

RN
Using a Brauto, so Deadshot just FUCKS my stamina

[devout atlas]

you don't need suppression immunity for OG revy, your point of aim doesn't bounce much and oscillates between the center, you can still snipe Gunners that are shooting you without suppression res

[elder vessel]

So I take suppressing immune

[idle pecan]

taking precision strikes instead

[dusk idol]

and more if you miss more because your reticle is bouncing around

[devout atlas]

you usually don't aim Brautos..

[finite imp]

you should have already shot that gunner before he got a pin on you tbh... but agreed

[serene sage]

If you run 8 stacks ping then I highly recommend damage buff over toughness regen due to how the damage stacking works

[brazen bay]

and with the revolver, bolter and plasma krak nades are only really useful if you dont have something to kill heavies

[elder vessel]

Graia Brauto

[devout atlas]

alr fair

[cursive goblet]

That thermal resistance is pretty bad, but other than that its good. Blaze away is nice, and I like ti have "Gets Hot" on mine. I honestly feel like thermal resistance is one of the more important things though.

[finite imp]

cant just say be good to nullify that argument

and if you're running knife you really should flank gunner swarms

js

[dusk idol]

suppression immunity helps you tackle more situations well, I like taking it

[idle pecan]

ill prolly start rolling for a good one from the lowest rarity

[devout atlas]

If you can't do that because of skill issues you should use plasma imho

[dusk idol]

if you feel good without it, feel free to switch it out

[elder vessel]

tbh

[dusk idol]

but being able to confidently stand down gunner packs is nice

reapers too

[elder vessel]

i havent swapped off my chain axe since the buff

[finite imp]

well

kyo knows what he's talking about

[cursive goblet]

Yeah, I just bought loads of them from the store till I got a good one. Do you know how many shots you can fire in a row with that one?

[finite imp]

so take both of our words with a grain of salt

[sharp ember]

i like the new and old chainaxe a lot now

[brazen bay]

This. nothing as satisyfying as staring down a pack of gunners and picking them off one at a time feel like an 80s action hero

[idle pecan]

like....5? maybe 6?

[devout atlas]

Kyo is cute so I forgive them...

[dusk idol]

[idle pecan]

HHHHHHHHHHH

[devout atlas]

New chaxe is my fav weapon specialist weapon rn

[idle pecan]

that ammo

[cursive goblet]

Here's what I've got right now

[brazen bay]

agreed its absolutely amazing

[sharp ember]

what blessings? been doing well with Headtaker + Thunderous

[rancid echo]

is there a recon lasgun worth using?

[brazen bay]

running it with a revolver and you can pretty much kill anything that shows up by yourself

[brazen bay]

hot take but I kinda like the mk2 reconlass

doesnt chew through ammo like the rest and his good hip fire

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/whiplash-fletcher-yes-accept-gif-5131194

[devout atlas]

Infested+Cara / Slaughter + Thrust
Infested just cause of luck but it actually helps horde-clear massively. Make sure to sweep your camera left and right with the swings to extend your cleaves.

[late valley]

what's the trick to shotguns, what am I missing. They feel like they want to be weirdly precise weapons with bonused damage when ADS and the much tighter spreads. Slugs do funny headshot damage but back to back reloads to kill a patrol of gunners or ragers feels awful. Kantrael has better damage and can at least bodyshot shooters but the time it takes to blast 3 rounds of the funyn fire ammo into a pack of ragers again feels awful.

[devout atlas]

with good sweeps and weapon specialist attack speed buff the chaxe fucks

[hybrid token]

hadron take the wheel

[dusk idol]

use a lawbringer

[brazen bay]

I am praying that melk actually has something worth damn in his shop tonight

[dusk idol]

lawbringer brings together the extremely tight spread of the agri primary shot with a damage profile and breakpoints more similar to the kantrael

[devout atlas]

Lawbringer is a very well rounded HVT killer with insane horde-clear, Agri is a lever action rifle, Kantrael is a Zealot weapon

[brazen bay]

been looking for a god roll revolver and maybe he can be my savior tonight

[finite imp]

dude leaves his gf and gets in a car accident trying to be the best recon las player

[finite imp]

u stream?

[late valley]

Since the quiet tweak to the crit bursts of the recons and to the free laser ammo crit perk that I forget the name of, the recons feel like they burn ammo way too fast now. Whatever you can do with an accatran you could probably also do with the columnus infantry auto instead

[rancid echo]

what makes kantrael a zealot weap

[sharp ember]

When not using the Lawbringer, try using Manstopper blessing with a crit build to make your shots cleave really hard

[devout atlas]

my name is a joke because I thought a fictional DT player called Sedation Gamer is really funny

[sharp ember]

Lawbringer doesnt really want manstopper because the special shell already cleaves

[dusk idol]

it’s breakpoints fall off beyond 8m

[finite imp]

whats sedation mean

[devout atlas]

I stream on evilandautistic.ttv

[sharp ember]

manstopper cleave helps a lot when cutting down elite packs

[devout atlas]

the 2nd lowest difficulty in darktide

[dusk idol]

sedition

sedation is putting someone to sleep

[late valley]

sedation is putting people to sleep and sedition is the difficulty :)

[devout atlas]

what's the difference they both put me to sleep

[dusk idol]

can’t argue with that

tbh

[rancid echo]

Bill Cosby Gamer TTV

[devout atlas]

Nah that's too forced

BillCosbyFan95

now that's good

actually yeah that's my new nickname

[dusk idol]

to further expound on this, the kantrael excels in extremely close range combat, and loses a lot more of its special killing ability vs its siblings at range, so it has synergy with zealots range dmg talent

[potent iris]

consider it done

[finite imp]

Isnt that sedition

[dusk idol]

the lawbringer has the same breakpoints or similar to the kantrael from 8-16 meters but falls off before and after which makes it more of a ranged solution, and synergies well with veterans ranged dmg talents

[late valley]

[tulip zenith]

does survivalist do anything if your total ammo is less than 100?

[dusk idol]

yes

[tulip zenith]

how does that even work

[dusk idol]

you just gain ammo at percentage intervals

[sharp ember]

minimum of 1 round

[tulip zenith]

Thanks

[sharp ember]

ogryns ABUSE this with their single shot tube guns to have basically infinite ammo

[tulip zenith]

that makes sense

[late valley]

Not anymore

[rancid echo]

I love my Christopher Columnus

[late valley]

It was changed to give you fractions of ammo

1% is 1%

[devout atlas]

it's still min 1 rnd

[slow spade]

I miss when Rumbler had effectively infinite ammo with Scavenger UwU

[tulip zenith]

does inf autogun has the stripped down blessing?

[late valley]

If your gun has 30 rounds total then its 1 rnd every few scavs, no?

[sharp ember]

i'll go ask the ogryns rq

[devout atlas]

every elite

[slow spade]

its 0.3 ammo per specialist/elite

[late valley]

[rocky jacinth]

not sure I'd call the kantrael shotgun "low range" when it does so much damage that it claps mobs across the map regardless of spread

[slow spade]

and only for the reserve ammo

[dusk idol]

the best way to test it out is to take the stub revolver and go into the osykanium

[slow spade]

plasma doesn't get 2.6 ammo per kill

only 1.3 :c

[tulip zenith]

true

[devout atlas]

I'm 90% sure it's still min 1 rnd but if you keep gaslighting me I'll believe you

[pulsar drift]

Is crucian roulette good for old revolver?

[dusk idol]

let me gaslight you

[pulsar drift]

Or better switch to surgical

[dusk idol]

surgical is superior

[pulsar drift]

Okay

[slow spade]

in Patch 13 it got changed to only 1% and it saves the remaining % until it gives a round

[late valley]

yeah this is how I thought they had changed it. 1% is 1% now instead of 1% or 1rnd minimum

[sharp ember]

the ogryn mains say yes, you always get at least 1 round per elite kill

[dusk idol]

I like crucial for the new revolver

[inner imp]

bois look i found the longlas

[slow spade]

yeah it just doesn't give you any ammo back until it "equals" one

[inner imp]

😂

[pulsar drift]

How’s the new chain sword btw

[dusk idol]

eh

[slow spade]

which is why the +25% ammo talent is huge for plasma because it gives roughly 1.6 ammo per kill (2 kills per shot) instead of 1.3 (3 kills per shot)

[inner imp]

1h eviserator basically, fatty heavies

[late valley]

oh well i guess brunt is deciding what I try for a few runs

[pulsar drift]

Is better than the old one tho

[finite imp]

How is that game

[devout atlas]

yes but you won't get 0.3 ammo. It's minimum of one. If you have over 120 total rounds it means you get 1.2. I'm in bed rn so someone can check for me but I'm pretty sure that's how it works because I've not had any ammo issues since the scavenger changes

[dusk idol]

old one is still pretty solid

[slow spade]

as I mentioned earlier, it saves the % until it returns a min of 1 bullet

basically we both agree

[pulsar drift]

So both solid?

[devout atlas]

very good on Fury Zealot, can't speak on Vet

[pulsar drift]

That’s great

[slow spade]

just semantics

[inner imp]

pretty fun, kinda janky but fun

[late valley]

Yeah but its as I said, you will get 0.3 (no ammo), 0.6 (no ammo), 0.9 (no ammo), 0.2 (1 ammo)

[devout atlas]

no that's

I don't agree

[dusk idol]

test it out?

[devout atlas]

you're implying you'd need 3-4 elite kills with a revolver to get one ammo back

[dusk idol]

that’s the only way to find out

[slow spade]

wtf no

revolver is roughly 60 max ammo

that's .6 ammo per kill

[devout atlas]

that's what everyone thought you were saying

[slow spade]

no???

[dusk idol]

counts reserve only

[cunning sandal]

Out of curiosity, anyone else feel like Survivalist should be killed, so weapons can be balanced more so in of themselves, without the factor of Survivalist playing into it?

[slow spade]

hence why I said max ammo

[devout atlas]

can someone just check

[dusk idol]

it’d be .52 ammo back

[south spindle]

Ideally yes, but there will be riots if it happens, so it wont

[charred salmon]

what are good guns on veteran

[devout atlas]

okay I believe it now

[old quail]

absolutely

[late valley]

0.3, 0.6, 0.9, 0.2 (+1 ammo)

[devout atlas]

sorry for being confused

[old quail]

it distorts the game too much

[devout atlas]

damn now I gotta run extra ammo on my revolver, what an economy...

[slow spade]

virtually every gun is good except Recon las guns and MAYBE shredder pistol (literally no Vet uses it)

[sharp ember]

yeah it would be healthier for the game if one class wasn't an incredible ammo dispenser that got stronger on higher difficulties with more enemies

[cunning sandal]

Key points:
Both Revolvers, Plasma Gun, Kickback, Grenadier Gauntlet, Rumbler, etc.

[inner imp]

plasma, braced auto, revolver, laspistols, lasrifles

[old quail]

survivalist also removes a lot of space to use ammo as a system

[devout atlas]

maybe I'll run Agri shotty instead

[old quail]

u could do some cool stuff like ranged elites dropping ammo when u kill em

[cunning sandal]

Weapons with low ammo as a weakness are directly negating said weakness with Survivalist, yeah.

[old quail]

but thats pointless when u just bring a vet and have infinite ammo anyways

[devout atlas]

man I'm hungry I wanna eat a burger

[south spindle]

Need a re-do of how the thing works, make it a selfish aura like Loner

[slow spade]

revolver does pierce so you can get multiple specialists/elite kills per shot

its not that bad

[cunning sandal]

That'd still be an issue.

[south spindle]

Shouldnt effect the team, but the ranged class should still have better ammo efficiency than the others

[devout atlas]

you're right anime girl if it ain't broke I shant fix it

[cunning sandal]

It'd still inflate Veteran numbers into absurdity with things like Revolver.

[old quail]

if vet had ammo regen options for themselves with more specific conditions that wouldn't be the worst

[slow spade]

UwU

[charred salmon]

what exactly go the gun names mean? becausde some have similar names but slightly different

[rancid echo]

diff fire rates, dmg profiles, etc. it's super annoying imo

[south spindle]

Nah, it breaks other classes significantly more than you know, the class thats been designed around it

[devout atlas]

manufacturers, creators, planets they've been made on

[slow spade]

it determines roughly what role that gun will be for but you unironically just need to know what role that is

[devout atlas]

oh yeah that's probably what they were asking

[sharp ember]

they dont really mean anything, they're brand names like Toyota, Subaru, Honda, etc. They're all Forge Worlds that create these weapons in factories

[devout atlas]

I'm glad Guardsman had the same idea

[slow spade]

like a MK4 lasgun is for spam firing while the MK12 is for precision shots

[sharp ember]

[late valley]

The revolver is still absurdly efficient at killing and any time you don't kill an elite and someone else does instead, that still floats ammo back to you.

[charred salmon]

there are some that look very similar and have similar name. so is just a few things different?

[devout atlas]

mostly planets though

[pulsar drift]

I mean they mean something cuz that’s where manufacturers are

[devout atlas]

I'm pretty sure Graia and Agripinaa are planets or hive cities

[cunning sandal]

It'd still directly bypass ammo weaknesses on things like Revolver etc.
imo, Survivalist should be reworked to provide a small amount of extra ammo on ammo pick up for you and anyone in Coherency.

[devout atlas]

not sure why Graia is making so many guns isn't that a farming planet

or am I confusing it

[slow spade]

usually they're very different, its just not immediately shown. Like the MK12 has a high crit and weakspot damage multiplier

[sharp ember]

graia is a forge world

[devout atlas]

ohh that makes more sense

[late valley]

for like 90% of the guns, blue is the fast gun, green is the normal gun, brown is the slow gun. Except in the case of like, the infantry autos and probably also the braced autos.

[sharp ember]

you get to see so in Space Marine :D

[south spindle]

It'd still have the same effect. Tbh i think the devs should be looking at certain other classes before targeting things on Vet

[sharp ember]

MAN Space Marine 2 delayed 8 months

i hope they have big plans

[devout atlas]

yeah Agri is a forge world too

[charred salmon]

do they actually play different or just have different stats. like the same sight, same fire type (semi or auto)

[slow spade]

imo just use the guns you find the most fun (except recon pls) and consult here for "optimal rolls" if you want

[south spindle]

Delay means more polished game hopefully

[orchid musk]

Buy a grey version of each. Read and inspect them for details when you forget.

[slow spade]

almost always its just different stats

[pulsar drift]

I mean I am pretty satisfied with the ammo aura now

[slow spade]

the only "different ones" are Braced autoguns vs normal autoguns

[charred salmon]

im using mg la infantry something i dont even know what the name is its long as hell

[pulsar drift]

It’s always like this and been working great

[devout atlas]

Kantrael is some sort of planet that made lasguns amongst other weapons

[pulsar drift]

Except the golfers

Bolters

[charred salmon]

i want either a semi with good sight, or a good full auto

[devout atlas]

Catachan is that hell world full of Rambos

[slow spade]

Kantreal MG La is a very reliable and powerful gun. You're using a good one atm

[devout atlas]

no clue about the psyker swords

[late valley]

sidenote how does one say catachan. is it chan? or kan? I've heard both

[charred salmon]

i just dont really care for the sight. i cant see anything

[slow spade]

it doesn't need special blessings to do well but they certainly help

[slow spade]

there's a mod called Weapon Customization mod that lets you customize weapons

[pulsar drift]

Be cautious tho

[slow spade]

no issues from Fatshark with using it

[devout atlas]

Cat-a-CHAN

[pulsar drift]

At the time it breaks a lotta of things

[devout atlas]

like the name of some sort of anime idol girl

[pulsar drift]

Game will crash if u use the weapons

[late valley]

it is chan? ok

[slow spade]

it got updated today

its fine now for MOST guns

[pulsar drift]

Rly?

[devout atlas]

uguuu its Catachan >_<``

[pulsar drift]

Oh

Then nvm

[devout atlas]

so sugoii

[slow spade]

yeah its just the stuff like the new guns

like the heavy laspistol still can't be modified

[pulsar drift]

I’m just gonna wait for the better version

Does it still crashing the game

[devout atlas]

I wonder if someone made a Catachan anime girl

[charred salmon]

ayyy yooo???

[slow spade]

old stuff works fine

[charred salmon]

that sounds dope

[alpine bear]

Most definitely

[slow spade]

never had that problem

[pulsar drift]

Okay

[devout atlas]

Good enough

[pulsar drift]

Yea the revolver sight… but tbh

Not too bad cuz I am running focus target now

[slow spade]

you can push your weapons QUITE far

[late valley]

I should probably wait until someone reviews try out the new weapons

[pulsar drift]

Just pointing my gun to the big fat gold would work

[cunning sandal]

Not really imo.
It'd still mean more available ammunition for the team, but it'd mean you still need to go and find ammunition to use it as a resource.
If the numbers were right, it'd also mean less total ammunition supplied for Survivalist, but still being an effective method of making ammunition go further.

[pulsar drift]

XD

[charred salmon]

that looks incredible

[spark helm]

I'm mostly just heard "kat-e-chan"

Idr how to do pronunciation print, especially for English, let alone American

[slow spade]

indeed and don't worry about Fatshark. They're watching the server in case a mod goes too far

[devout atlas]

oh yup. lts of anime girls if you search for Cata-chan specifically

[late valley]

rngesus created a helbore obrez for my friend yesterday

[south spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-sorprendido-shaquille-oneal-gif-23222312

[spark helm]

Pfft lmao

https://tenor.com/view/kof-95-the-king-of-gif-20933702

Looks like a gender swap of this guy:

[slow spade]

here's the sights I use for my MG La

[slow spade]

lol nice

I love the random aspect

[devout atlas]

just realised Cata-chan would be a great fem Vet name

[charred salmon]

that would like solve all my problems

[south spindle]

It shouldnt effect the team. The ranged class should have better all round ammo efficiency than the rest of them, because typically, its much less capable of melee, and to have an effective melee build, the cost is incredibly high to take survivalist on top

[slow spade]

indeed, #📌communities has the modding server if you want to give it a go

[tall torrent]

Is that an actually in-game model or is that something made by modders

[slow spade]

modders using in-game models

so both technically?

[late valley]

It's the laspistol sight being used

[tall torrent]

Updated my helbore build to take 2 modifiers for keystone over demo team

Feel like I just wasn’t using nades enough to justify demo team

[frank gyro]

why is fatfish holding back so much stuff thats already in the game?

its so frustrating lmao

[late valley]

dripfeed

[devout atlas]

no longshot?

[charred salmon]

does the customization mod do anything besides just cosmetic

[slow spade]

have you tried spending more aquillas? UwU

[tall torrent]

Helbore doesn’t need longshot

[frank gyro]

awful decisionmaking

[devout atlas]

fair

[frank gyro]

longlas would be awesome

[devout atlas]

you can put functioning flashlights on weapons

[slow spade]

for some guns, you can replace the bayonet with a laser sight or flashlight (your team can't see it)

but you can't add bayonets to weapons

[devout atlas]

yuh

[late valley]

the customization mod does have working scopes but it makes no changes to the function of the weapon itself so don't expect to control an autogun when you've put a 20x scope on it

[devout atlas]

flashlights on ogryn guns kinda hype

[toxic leaf]

this maniac damage roll on my IAG5 has changed it into a specialist killing machine

now the only thing i cannot do is snipe snipers

[devout atlas]

the scopes are kind of a meme, WeaponFOV does a better job for that in function

[late valley]

am I pleased, I don't think I am

[slow spade]

I'm still baffled that Ogryns don't have a flashlight despite over a year of updates

[toxic leaf]

RIP

[slow spade]

I just skip Lights Out missions on my Ogryn

[toxic leaf]

maybe she helps you on the last two rolls

[devout atlas]

in lore it makes sense because they can see in the dark, shame that's not translated to gameplay

they should give ogryns darkvision ngl

[slow spade]

oh I didn't know that very interesting

darkvision would be cool

[late valley]

do i do the final roll

[devout atlas]

not far but like 15 meters where they can see in black and white

[finite imp]

HIT IT

[devout atlas]

I think that'd be ok

[elder vessel]

Show the WHOLE DAMN WEAPON CARD

[alpine bear]

They should get an oversized flashlight as a melee weapon

[devout atlas]

they did scroll up

[slow spade]

broken power cell that flashes when you hit people UwU

[toxic leaf]

LETS GOOOOOOOO

[south spindle]

So i been messing about with new Chainsword...

[toxic leaf]

i told you!

[devout atlas]

you only rlly need Flak on Columnus so it's already lowkey unbrickable

[finite imp]

until fatshark fucks it

[south spindle]

I dont think the moveset is that bad in all honesty, its an instance where a cleave blessing is actually worth it

[finite imp]

no fun allowed

[slow spade]

and specialists damage is a good perk to have

its not like you can ignore them lol

[late valley]

need some more plasteel so hadron can give me sustained fire IV in the second blessing

[devout atlas]

honestly still roll rampage shred on Zealot with it and make up the cleave with big boy crits

[toxic leaf]

maniac has made it much more consistent for me

[slow spade]

pray for dumdum

[toxic leaf]

flak/maniac and then hopefully you get dum dum

but honestly close damage is kinda eh

[slow spade]

yeah never claimed it was optimal but its not like its bad

[late valley]

[slow spade]

Dumdum is bugged to work at all ranges

[nimble sentinel]

I won this game and carried the dumdums, you're good

[slow spade]

its just a damage increase currently

[toxic leaf]

what really

[slow spade]

yes

Dumdum is insanely good

[serene sage]

no

[slow spade]

D;

[serene sage]

nah

[toxic leaf]

nah?

[serene sage]

yah

take it

dumdum

[slow spade]

they're just joking

[south spindle]

I havent tried it on Vet yet, i was debating Ramage/Shred on Vet, but idk at this point, might go Shred/Deva

[sly haven]

whats the best perks and blessings for columnus V ifa

[late valley]

wait is it not meant to work like that?

[serene sage]

I think it says on close range

but it's actually anyway

cause'

[sly haven]

dumdum works out to 20m

[slow spade]

it says close range

but its effectively all ranges

[toxic leaf]

thats incredible

[late valley]

does it?

[sly haven]

or is supposed to work out to 20m only

[serene sage]

wait until you hear about how grenades used to give you stun immunity

[toxic leaf]

lol what

[late valley]

this other columnus has deathspitter which does say close range

[serene sage]

Thy Grenade Be Swift

I still mourn your death 😔

[sly haven]

whats the best blessing/perks for columnus V ifa

[serene sage]

Tinkered Grenades used to give you stun immunity

[slow spade]

I got Deathspitter + DumDum

flak + maniac too

though I'd argue +5% crit is good too just due to how strong Columbus crits are

[sly haven]

deathspitter seems kinda poopy since it requires kills

[slow spade]

I mean isn't that why you're shooting?

[toxic leaf]

oh can i not read dum dum

[sly haven]

i mostly pull it out to spray down ragers or other annoying specials/elites

before they get in range

then back to melee

[slow spade]

I guess you could get something like Sustained Fire?

though I'd personally go for Deathspitter as I have a 57 round mag for a reason

[late valley]

is sustained fire still a meme or does the bonus stay active beyond the third shot

[south garnet]

man children are revolting

[sly haven]

yeah uh actually how do perks like that fuckin work lol

[slow spade]

idk

[toxic leaf]

someone here once recommended stripped down and that was actually cool

[slow spade]

I don't use Sustained Fire

[late valley]

well it used to genuinely only work on the specified shots then dropped off for the rest of you holding down M1

[toxic leaf]

sustained fire works on the third and fourth shots only

[late valley]

And would reset after a second or so of not shooting

[slow spade]

Stripped Down doesn't have the funny speed anymore so I seapped out

[toxic leaf]

if you tap fire, it can do stuff

but im holding the trigger down baby

mow em down, kill em all boss!

[sly haven]

yeah well i can't seem to ever get a decent fucking columnus V cause the crafting system is so garbage

i've been spending everything i have on getting once since Oct

[thorn lark]

is this a good base to work on?

[sly haven]

sub 360, no

[toxic leaf]

columnus just feels good to use, i dont like using the plasma rn with the visual bugs

[thorn lark]

oO

[sharp ember]

looking good, low defense won't kill you despite the name

of course more is better, but in the grand scheme of things its useable

[south spindle]

Yeah thats fine, swap out Trauma for Thrust an you'll delete stuffs

Should get the Crusher onetap on a melee build

[thorn lark]

thrust uncanny is new meta?

[south spindle]

Its arguably best on that one yeah

It can horde clear on a melee-centric build without any problems

[gloomy kestrel]

melk has this for me: should I just rip pc2 off it or it this useable on its own? https://i.gyazo.com/b1310e52c85f662a8bd02a989554f000.png

[sharp ember]

thrust pairs very well with the special spike for doming elites

[sly haven]

what is rending vs brittleness

tf is the diff

[dusk idol]

rending is a buff applied to you

brittleness is a debuff applied to the enemy

[south spindle]

They're the same thing, an armour debuff, Rending is for you, Brittleness is global

[slow spade]

if you can, Brittleness is better than rending

[dusk idol]

because brittleness is a debuff, all allies can benefit from it

[slow spade]

but rending is so much easier to get

[sly haven]

so if i have to pick between rending strikes and onslaught, what do

[thorn lark]

ok i do have thrust4

[serene sage]

rending is global if you shoot everything

[dusk idol]

onslaught is better if you have a high rof

[thorn lark]

what about the perks, still flak maniac or carapace something?

[dusk idol]

it becomes much worse on something like a revolver where rending strikes would do better

[south spindle]

P'much what Kyo says

Some builds benifit from both

See; Graia BAG

[dusk idol]

yeah

[sly haven]

i use rashad and columnus V

[south spindle]

Columnus will benifit from both if you can have em, if not either or

[sharp ember]

flak maniac is fine, go for carapace only if you're building to kill maulers/crushers in 1 shot, it should comfortably 2-shot them without it

[sudden dome]

graia braced good

[south spindle]

Currently the system is one of the strongest damage sources vs tougher targets

So if you can get Rending/Brittleness in any capacity, you should

[sly haven]

i can get bboth onslaught and rending strikes but to get rending i give up bring it down

[toxic leaf]

was i being trolled earlier

dumdum has Close Range damage on it

[rancid echo]

how close is closerange dmg

[sudden dome]

7.5? it doesnt trigger sometimes at 8

[late valley]

7.5m

[sudden dome]

just assume if it says 8 you arent getting it

[sly haven]

is it worht doing rending strikes/onslaught even with the loss of bring it down

[terse idol]

Hey it's good what cha' mean, it's a good start on defense dump

honestly it's funny because the mobility

[dusk sparrow]

Depends on weapons

[sharp ember]

does the ingame ruler show decimals? it might say 8m but you're actually at like 8.2m

[sudden dome]

nope it just says 7 or 8

[gloomy kestrel]

what should I swap on this? https://i.gyazo.com/b1310e52c85f662a8bd02a989554f000.png

[sly haven]

rashad/columnus v

[terse idol]

run block efficiency

boom

[sudden dome]

and if its perfectly 8 anytime it says 8, 9/10s of the time it will be out of range

[toxic leaf]

so dumdum does work at all ranges despite it saying close range?

[sly haven]

you did NOT get a fucking god roll

lmaooooooooo

[gloomy kestrel]

well the perks suck

[sly haven]

i hate this game for never rewarding me

[toxic leaf]

its also a mk3

[sudden dome]

I think you get dumdum at any range, but it only gives you extra damage if youre within 8 meters of the target

[stable ridge]

Hey fellas, any clues how to make the new heavy laspistol work? What perks and what not? I like running a lot of support

[gloomy kestrel]

I have been rolling powerswords since launch and melk finally had this xD

[sly haven]

20m

[sudden dome]

because you get it on hit, but it only affects close rage damage

[bleak bolt]

slaughterer to bru mom

sprint eff to maniac or carapace

[toxic leaf]

is fire frenzy also bugged or just dumdum

[bleak bolt]

also - i finally got PC tier 3 after 300 hours.....

so t4 at 600 hrs

💀

[dusk idol]

me getting another PC4 from the emperors gift

thanks emperor

[bleak bolt]

emps dont love me

[tall torrent]

Which one of the breakpoints do u guys think is more important

Guaranteed gunner 1 headshot kill (with or without crits)
Or crit headshot 1 shot kill on both flamers

For helbore2

[bleak bolt]

and here i thought bru mom on power sword was a waste

[dusk idol]

with or without crits

unless you can proc crit extremely reliably

[finite imp]

gunners

[tall torrent]

I have surgical but it’s still not every shot being crit

[dusk idol]

go for gunners

[finite imp]

flamers have to get much closer. Remember you have a team that they will likely be gunning for

[sleek cairn]

sprint efficiency so fun tho

[bleak bolt]

can put that on a curio tho

if needed

[dusk idol]

and you can always just bayonet charge the flamer and style on them

[tall torrent]

Am first gonna test if having 10% weakpoint as a perk would bring me over to one shotting Dreg gunner

Cuz I know 10% elite would

[sleek cairn]

yeah i know, i just like infinite sprint efficiency hehe

[tall torrent]

But I’m only missing 35 dmg to head to one shot Dreg gunner

[bleak bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-ardito-dave-ardito-naruto-naruto-run-gif-26136762

[sleek cairn]

dats right!

[bleak bolt]

got the zealots over there jealous

[south garnet]

fuck you hadron fuck off

bitch

[sleek cairn]

to be fair, with enough movement speed, most AI can only hit ur afterimage

[modest sapphire]

sunder... good, or redundant?

[sleek cairn]

even gunners

[worldly pulsar]

Eh?

[devout atlas]

I mean... Infested isn't bad I guess

[sleek cairn]

wait doesnt hit n run now give u close dmg and sprinting while shooting

this gonna be fun

[devout atlas]

thrust 4 and maybe flak, uncanny 3 is enough

[south garnet]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[plush kernel]

[compact briar]

melk has t3 pcycler if anybody needs it

[devout atlas]

lmao if only everyone had the same melk store

[compact briar]

Oh fml do they not???

[devout atlas]

nope

[compact briar]

ohhhhh

i've misunderstood this for eons

fml

[south spindle]

Why on earth would you think they would?

[compact briar]

idk? i guess i just assumed it was like destiny

which is dumb

so

[tall torrent]

Just tested

10% weakpoint + unarmored can hit every 1 shot breakpoint for helbore2

[south spindle]

Ewww weakspot damage

[tall torrent]

Ik it’s a weird one but without it, it ends up with like 1365 dmg on Dreg gunner headshot at 2 stacks of tag keystone

Missing 35 dmg for a 1 shot kill is just sad

[south spindle]

Gotta be like the one instance where its actually viable as a reasonable choice

Better you'd take Elites though surely given it'd be a bigger bonus vs things that matter?

[tall torrent]

And it’s way harder to maintain 3 stacks of tag compared to 2 stacks (any tagged target killed resets your bank to 2 stacks minimum)

[devout atlas]

it would be cool if that's how it worked

would build community rapport

[tall torrent]

If you take elite, you can’t guarantee the crit headshot 1 shot breakpoint on both flamers

[devout atlas]

"guys log on! pcycler 4 is on melks!"

[south spindle]

Idts personally

[compact briar]

thats why destiny does it like that

but yeah it was dumb to assume

[south spindle]

Ahhh gotcha, that makes sense

[devout atlas]

okay but you stinky and pee pee pants . #OWNED

[tall torrent]

With 10% weakpoint, a crit headshot is 1388

[brazen bay]

https://tenor.com/view/gotword-funnt-gif-4417899

[south spindle]

If you say so

[tall torrent]

So as long as you have it tagged, it’s a one headshot kill if u crit

[devout atlas]

ez clap

BillCosbyFan94 sweep

[worldly pulsar]

Damn, dude. This MkVII shovel one shots so many things.

Even with a light

[gray belfry]

got this from melk , thoughts?

[worldly pulsar]

Well, special+light

[south spindle]

I want variance in gear personally, not that i want arbitrary RNG behind every aspect of it, but having the exact same statted shit as everyone else? nty

[compact briar]

i dont understand vets that use weapons besides psword

[devout atlas]

shame on the perks, I would've replaced thunderous with thrust

[compact briar]

its the best melee in the game by so much

like if i could have it on my zealot i'd quit vet right now

[devout atlas]

it's boring and not rlly

[south spindle]

Its a noob trap, thats why, same for Plasma

[dusk idol]

I want every item in my melks store to have t4 blessings

[worldly pulsar]

No, psword is not the best.

[gray belfry]

people like variety, you pretty much NEED PC4 to make em useable too

[compact briar]

i mean i crush auric damns with it so idk how its a noob trap

and plasma can pick trappers and bombers through walls

[devout atlas]

the horde-clear on spamming powered strikes is overrated. by no means bad but there are better options.

[nimble sentinel]

new shovels are pretty dope horde and carapace clearers

[south spindle]

It kinda is... its only meaningful weakness is mobility, an it doesnt matter if you're slow because it kills everything

[gray belfry]

its good ill definately grant you that, luv me mk3 with PC4/rampage 4

[worldly pulsar]

Yes! Loving the Mk7

[gray belfry]

whats the moveset like on the mk 7?

[south spindle]

Its a crutch, just like Plasma being able to one shot bodyshot everything without any aim skill required

[gray belfry]

oh no my pve game got slightly easier. however shall we proceed

[devout atlas]

I think ps6 probably is the best melee rated against everything else but it's not always the best pick for every build.

also variety is fun

[compact briar]

i mean if it's just strong af without any significant drawbacks that's strong, not a crutch

[worldly pulsar]

Heavies are vanguard sweeps, lights are reasonably spammable with variety between vanguard and strikedown. Special heavy is a fucking murder machine.

[gray belfry]

ok hadron

plsnobrick

[compact briar]

it gon brick

[worldly pulsar]

Oh, and push attack is a nice vertical strikedown

[gray belfry]

oh no doubt

[south spindle]

Which is fine, but when people post scoreboard and say look how well i did with PSword and Plasma, its kinda like yeah.. duh.. its one of the most braindead setups the game has

[gray belfry]

yeah tahts fair. im here running my yeehaw revolver, knowing its kind of weak, not giving the slightest shit about that because fun factor

[late valley]

[gray belfry]

'what do we ahve here?' pain. pain is what

[hybrid token]

you merely adopted the brick, i was born in it, molded by it

[gray belfry]

last one

[south spindle]

Cowboy revvy is mad fun, totally agree. Might not be that competative in the grand scheme of things, but fun factor out the wazoo

[sly haven]

we still have 100 nodes vs the other 3 classes having 80 right

[dusk idol]

you poor thing

[alpine bear]

Having yet bricked my first got roll, I'm afraid

Of that

[devout atlas]

Honestly. Controversial but slab shield is imho 2nd best to ps6. If you know how to use it you'll never get caught with your pants down. Insane horde-clear, massive pushes that can CC entire groups of Crushers. The shield portion of the weapon is nice for blocking sniper shots and using Attention Seeker to basically disable any shooter/shotgunner aggro'd on you. It might not kill 6 Crushers as quickly as Ps6 but it'll kill them without risking getting hit effortlessly every single time.

[dusk idol]

I got a nice god roll the other night

[nimble sentinel]

how's it compare to mk 3?

[worldly pulsar]

Dunno, haven't gotten a decent mk3 to test against it

[urban steppe]

is dis good ?

[nimble sentinel]

dark, I got the good 3 and working on a 7 lol

[south spindle]

One of Ogg's new Shovels can kill 4 Crushers in one swing... i really wonder how this shit makes it through the playtesters ngl

[dusk idol]

pretty solid

[south spindle]

Very much starting to question their ability to do that job without insane levels of bias

[tall torrent]

“It’s time to crush the crushers”
——Joe Rogryn

[devout atlas]

Yeah but it shits the bed on Auric Damnation density of hordes and struggles against rager packs. I like it on my mk2 ripper build but I prefer OG shovel for Skullbreaker

[south spindle]

Huh? It doesnt shit the bed vs horde? It can roll BM

[devout atlas]

Yes ik

even with BM from my experience it gets outperformed

[south spindle]

Anything that can roll BM de-facto shits on hordes

[devout atlas]

it's only 5 guaranteed kills

[nimble sentinel]

ohey

[south spindle]

Yes... which is a lot better than the majority of weapons

[devout atlas]

granted I'm speaking from the perspective of someone who plays exclusively auric damn

[south spindle]

Also why Antax and Rashad are so good

[dusk idol]

good luck brother

[south spindle]

Yeah.. so do i pal

[astral blade]

Those karking twins won’t know what hit them soon as I get my build back together

[hybrid token]

being able to do one thing incredibly well doesnt make a weapon op, depends how it covers all bases

[nimble sentinel]

ah beans

[astral blade]

That being soon as I get back from my business trip

[south spindle]

Thats why said shovel is utterly borked

[gray belfry]

slab shield also has the funnjy bonk heavy going for it so

[devout atlas]

it's adequate until its not and has no good solution against pack's of ragers.

[south spindle]

It can do horde, it can do specials, it can do elites an it can kill groups of them in a couple of swings

[urban steppe]

what i need to change ? will be good to change it with this ? and infested on flac ?

[astral blade]

Tell me something y’all managed to kill those fucking twins

[nimble sentinel]

what does defences do again?

[idle carbon]

inspect, hover over it

[devout atlas]

it's defo overtuned but like ps6 when it fails it fails hard

[hybrid token]

and being able to dunk on crushers easily is not that important

[dusk idol]

yeah I think @devout atlas and I killed one of them the other night

[devout atlas]

slab will always take longer but slab is safer

that's why I rate it higher

[sly haven]

is reciprocity and skirmisher woorth taking

[south spindle]

Imo, nothing should be one tapping Crushers, let alone four of the fuckin things in a single swing

[sly haven]

krak nade

[south spindle]

Thats not a melee weapon

[nimble sentinel]

aight how bricked is it?

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-predator-schwartzenegger-gif-12987052

[devout atlas]

Mk3 shovel kills them faster with 2 taps than Ogryns because of Crunch. That said I don't think it should interact with BM the way it does.

[tall torrent]

Usable
Swap crit chance and hammer blow

[worldly pulsar]

Man, how? I had one teleport up off the ground to nasty-smoke-grenade outta there. God damn cheaters.

[hybrid token]

take a swing + all or nothing is a pretty funny meme you could do with it

[sly haven]

is skirmsher and reciprocity worth taking at all

[dusk idol]

dunno, think we just straight up bursted his last 1/4 hp

[devout atlas]

We staggered it before it did the animation

[dusk idol]

I was just knocking his ass over with shout

[devout atlas]

yup

[gray belfry]

heard mk 3 new shovel has the better heavy attack, does mk 7 have better crowd heavys or something?

[devout atlas]

opposite

[nimble sentinel]

all I know is the ice pick is faster

[devout atlas]

mk3 is light spam, mk7 has og shovel heavies

well

[hybrid token]

i can live with BM but unyielding on power sword is just depressing

[gray belfry]

oh when i meant better heavy i meant the ice pick i think

[nimble sentinel]

wait nvm bill's right I got my numbers mixed

[devout atlas]

ah you mean the special. yeah.

[astral blade]

Tell me something do the rejects get unique dialogue when encountering the twins?

[dusk idol]

not that I noticed

[idle carbon]

the milkman provides

[hybrid token]

theyre only in the game for a week so

[nimble sentinel]

MK 3 ice pick is faster than the 7

[gray belfry]

so mk 7 has better crowd heavys but the ice pick suffers a bit?

[hybrid token]

they wouldnt bother with unique dialogue

[astral blade]

I thought it be longer than a week?

[devout atlas]

both are good enough. mk3 is my fav but mk7 has better CC with about the same or slightly lower clear

[hybrid token]

5th to the 12th

[nimble sentinel]

it still goes hard, just slower to pull out of the brain

[hybrid token]

according to the notes

[nimble sentinel]

no idea about damage

[devout atlas]

correct, pick your poison, mk7 will let you control hordes and rager packs better, mk3 faster hclear and single-target*

asterisks as mk7 can often be good enough with the right breakpoints

[gray belfry]

hmm

[nimble sentinel]

hjadron don't you dare

[sly haven]

still think vet should get 35 total talent points since we have 100 nodes instead of 80

[devout atlas]

just buy both and see what you prefer

[gray belfry]

see how i go after getting a decent cowboy gun

[devout atlas]

I like mk3 but both are good

[nimble sentinel]

schett

[gray belfry]

im gonna assume the go to for cowboy is the crit based on shots fired/rend on crit for blessings?

[dusk idol]

that’s what I use

[late valley]

alright I will have to unfuck my columnus blessings later but for now john darktide is ready

[devout atlas]

deadshot, hand cannon and either crucial or trickshooter

crucian

[dusk idol]

crucial nvme blessing

[gray belfry]

lmao

itl have to wait till after work, to the wage cage for now

[nimble sentinel]

oh god no

[wide anvil]

Uh which one

Stats wise

Might as well go left

[gray belfry]

lmao good luck hitting anything not blocked

[devout atlas]

the one you currently have

[dusk idol]

take right for the blessing to put on left

[wide anvil]

Just put new Uncanny Strike?

[dusk idol]

or vice versa

[devout atlas]

yeah just upgrade uncanny strike

you want scrusher always as its S tier

wait that's on 7

hm

[wide anvil]

Yeah I like this one's moveset more

[devout atlas]

should still help you with crusher two taps and hclear

[wide anvil]

Horde clear fine, need max Uncanny Strike to 2-tap I think

[devout atlas]

idk how crucial Scrusher is. On Mk3 its the single most important blessing

[astral blade]

Ugh what a load of fucking shit

[gray belfry]

hmm?

[astral blade]

Ugh what is fatshark going off for this event

What time zone

[hybrid token]

theyre gonna be a boss together in the new map

[gray belfry]

not a fan of anime heretic and woe gas upon ye?\

[wide anvil]

It's hinted that they'll be a new Assassination since the Part 2 update isn't 100% out yet

Explicator Zola event

[dusk idol]

I’m getting hino kami no kagura’d in 40k

[nimble sentinel]

well that was fast

[astral blade]

Ugh I just wanna kill these karking twins

[wide anvil]

Soon

[gray belfry]

lmao fuck

[nimble sentinel]

rager hordes, gunners, a beast of nurgle, they melted soon and left me in the corner

[devout atlas]

I love the twin battles

[astral blade]

Sadly I arrive back at home on the 10th for me

[dusk idol]

they’re fun but I miss killing the puppy

[astral blade]

So worried that I’d probably only have 24 hours to kill these bastards

[devout atlas]

they will likely become a modifier and or mission Wolf

no way they're temporary

[astral blade]

It’s fatshark we are talking about here

[devout atlas]

yes

[wide anvil]

Halloween event in Vermintide being Halloween only

[devout atlas]

Alr you have a point with that

[astral blade]

Do you even get anything if you kill these idiots

[wide anvil]

The map where the U5 all get drunk together is available 100% of the time Modded

[wide anvil]

lol no

They just come to fuck your game up

Good luck

[devout atlas]

you get to live

[wide anvil]

A valuable commodity

I watched a man get sliced in half because Rinda switched aggro

[astral blade]

No reward for killing them ugh

That’s piss taking

[wide anvil]

Also thanks Hadron, time to get some Plasteel

[devout atlas]

would be cool if they shat out stims

[wide anvil]

Would be cool if they gave us their grenade but

It's tainted by Heresy

We can't use it

[devout atlas]

honestly that works

[wide anvil]

I switch Trickshooter to Handcannon and Sprint Effic to DMG vs Carapace

[lost portal]

I honestly don’t get why people are so sad that you don’t get anything for killing bosses. It’s piss easy most of the time and it’s more or less just half a horde spawn condensed into one fatass enemy.

[devout atlas]

idk about Cara but sounds solid

[lost portal]

but

[sudden dome]

Any idea where the weapon mod is? I found one that changes the FOW but its basically useless, just removes the giant gun in your face while iron sights is active and makes you look like scout in tf2

[wide anvil]

Don't think it's much needed for Maniac unless I can one-tap a Trapper without needing Crit

[devout atlas]

we miss loot dies

[lost portal]

The Karnak twins not giving you monster kill progress is aids.

[devout atlas]

that's all

[wide anvil]

They technically don't die and just despawn, that's why

[gloomy kestrel]

is this a decent shovel? https://i.gyazo.com/707430e01d9a35610f779d1a4147d52e.png

[lost portal]

I know why but it still an aids oversight

[wide anvil]

It'll do

Sprint Effic to Flak and Limbsplitter to uh

Well Idunno honestly

Decimator, Skullcrusher

And let me cook here: Take A Swing

[lost portal]

Take a swing is low key busted

[wide anvil]

If you can hit heads consistently, yeah

You should be pushing every now and then too

[lost portal]

I can oneshot specialists and shotgunners with the old shovel, with the shove attack

And it does like 1k to ragers

[magic ermine]

Any good?

[lost portal]

Damage dump stat

[wide anvil]

Only reason I play Vet is cause Zealot has no Shovel

[devout atlas]

no

[wide anvil]

God I want Shovel for Zealot so bad

[magic ermine]

Understandable. Thank you

[devout atlas]

mod crusher to look like one

[wide anvil]

Don't like the mod tbh

That and I also don't like using the Crusher as much

[lost portal]

Zealots high and mighty ass wouldn’t be caught dead using a shovel

[wide anvil]

:C

[astral blade]

So what time exactly will this event end

??

[wide anvil]

Dunno

[lost portal]

What event?

[patent swift]

Do i buy or pass? Not really tried the accatran anyone recommend it?

[late valley]

Brunt with the 380 roll on a Bolter

[astral blade]

The Karnak twins keep up will ya

[lost portal]

Motherfucker this isn’t an event it’s part of the update.

[astral blade]

There limited time so there for it’s an event

[sudden dome]

not good rolls, 2 bad perks and one bad blessing Id skip

[lost portal]

They’ll probably be moved to an assassination mission

[late valley]

golly gosh I wonder when the event finishes, if only it was at the top of the news when I select the game

[lost portal]

Oh

[fleet thicket]

guys

wahts the build

on plasma gun again?

[astral blade]

That’s why I’m asking what time do the Karnak twins event ends

[sudden dome]

getting hot or whatever blessing, flak and I think it was either unarmored or carapace depending on your rolls, other blessing didnt really matter

[late valley]

gosh I have no idea

[sudden dome]

check your breakpoints for the perks

[winter shoal]

(I just wanted to put this power sword in here cause god what the heck)

[idle pecan]

`

[astral blade]

Yeah 12 of December I know this but what fragging time those

[idle pecan]

does it matter?

id assume like, dec 12 at midnight or whatever

[late valley]

Melk rolls over on Tuesday, no?

[sudden dome]

ok midnight gmt or est

[late valley]

I would assume it's the same as Melk's rollover

[lost portal]

Sunday EST?

[fleet thicket]

no answer for me?

😦

[sudden dome]

I had one higher, getting hot, flak and then check your break points for the other depending on the gun

always flak

never go not flak

on ltierally any gun

[late valley]

oh its not tuesday its midnight sunday

[lost portal]

Flak looks like a fake word

[astral blade]

@lost portal next time don’t be a douche and swear at me when that was uncalled for

[sudden dome]

because we made it up

all words are fake until people say it enough times

[lost portal]

In my defense…

[astral blade]

You don’t have a defence

[sudden dome]

RIZZLER GYATT FANUM TAX SIGMA OHIO SKIBIDI

what does that even mean

whatever we want

[astral blade]

Plain and simple you were in the wrong

[sudden dome]

words are literally magic

[late valley]

you came in here with an unspecific question and called him slow when he didn't understand your question

[next spade]

it appears that loaded with +25% more ammo also increases ammo pickup?

[late valley]

yes

[next spade]

that makes it way better than it looks then

[late valley]

ammo pickups and the scav aura replenishes a portion of ammo so having more ammo means the same portion but a greater nominal amount

[next spade]

loaded with braced autogun and aura I wasnt using melee once the entire mission damnation HI Shock

[cinder plinth]

any tips for getting make everyshot count?

trying to get it

[elder vessel]

Also increases the amount surv gives you

[cinder plinth]

kinda need help

[sudden dome]

yes because pickup is based on total ammo

[next spade]

really also the aura, damn

[white minnow]

reserve ammo

[lost portal]

Plasma gun or revolver, fire ONLY into hordes and monsters so that missing becomes genuinely difficult.

[elder vessel]

Use VoC, Fire Team, and a revolver

This is Fire Teams only purpose

[sudden dome]

hit heads, dont miss, get good. its a goal we work towards every day and the only way to get better is practice

[cinder plinth]

What about on overwatcj?

[next spade]

the trick is trying to not panic and still take aimed shots

[sudden dome]

sit in the back and dodge

[elder vessel]

VoC, Turtle up

[cinder plinth]

i wanna do the for the emperor things so i can get myself the helmet

[sudden dome]

while firing shots into things

[astral blade]

@late valley Correction I did come in with a specific question in mind

[lost portal]

@cinder plinth OH, and don’t use shotguns. It’s counts pellet accuracy. And I’ve heard, I have no idea if it’s true, that you also have to have no grenades remaining and to have hit them all.

[late valley]

Use a revolver to pick off elites until you're out of ammo. When your ammo hits zero, put away the gun and don't take it back out

[elder vessel]

Having your gun out leaves you open to surprise backstabs

[cinder plinth]

why would the grenades count

[elder vessel]

Turtle up with your melee

[sudden dome]

helbore

[cinder plinth]

fat shark why!

[late valley]

Ignore scavenger aura giving you back ammo once you've dinged 0 and sheathed it

[elder vessel]

You cant block with a helbore bro

[lost portal]

Something something Expendable resource.

[cinder plinth]

well would anyone be able to help me with it?

[late valley]

As long as you don't bring the weapon back out, it will count. If you die and respawn, you will have to deplete your ammo again.

[sudden dome]

its health only, if you get hit once shout and stab everything to death since helbore is instant kills

[astral blade]

So if ya gonna say I didn’t have a specific question in mind may wanna think again yoshi

[lost portal]

Keep in mind that I’ve only heard that about this. I don’t know if it’s actually required.

[cinder plinth]

hoping it isn't

[lost portal]

I don’t think it is but it wouldn’t hurt. It’s kinda hard to miss a frag grenade.

[cinder plinth]

i have to hit 73 shots with my revoler

[late valley]

revolver's low ammo count worked the best for me.

[sudden dome]

revolver or agri special

[late valley]

You can miss a few, it's 90% accuracy

It used to be 100%

[lost portal]

Technically the Magnacore has less total shots.

[sudden dome]

get a low level revolver from the start and youll do better

[cinder plinth]

magnacore? the plasma gun?

[lost portal]

It’s only around 25 since charge shots take ~9 ammo

Yeah

[cinder plinth]

so do i go into assassination and just pile shots into final target?

[lost portal]

That’s one way to do it

[late valley]

You can do it that way. I just played normally

With the only addition of taking careful aim at elites, specials and shooters to make sure every shot hit

And as I said, once you've run the gun dry, you can put it away for the rest of the mission, even if scavenger aura starts giving you back ammo after you've hit 0

[weary acorn]

So, i know charge rate is important on a hellbore mark 1 but... do I try to do something with this?

[lost portal]

Another thing, make sure to tell your teammates if you try to do it in a pub. That way they don’t*(Or shouldn’t)* get pissy if you need to land a few last shots at the end of a mission.

[idle carbon]

can't you still cheese that penance by leaving and rejoining with a few shots left?

[late valley]

Only if you take it back out do you then have to run it back down to 0. (or die and respawn, which makes you have to use up all the ammo again)

[lost portal]

Yea but cheesing is for bitches*

[late valley]

It's one of the easier ones to finish

[lost portal]

Are you even level 30 yet?

[weary acorn]

yes lol, this is my third character

[cinder plinth]

think you can help me do that really quick

[weary acorn]

I have a fully functioning psyker and zealot

[lost portal]

I’d say try for a higher stat roll then

You really don’t want to be lower than 350

[late valley]

I would not exchange 5 pts more damage for the lower charge time

[lost portal]

Preferably 365 since you’re guaranteed at least one tier 4 blessing

[lost portal]

It also has drastically higher stopping power which is super important

[late valley]

the equipped green is better

[weary acorn]

the ONLY reason I'm even considernig it, is the damage, ammo and stopping power stats

[lost portal]

Stopping power affects armor pen right?

I swear it does

It does

[weary acorn]

its either that or it grants bonus damaeg

[lost portal]

It’s armor pen

[weary acorn]

in addition, in a sick way, a longerish charge time, allows for more stacks of surgical if i put it on it

[late valley]

It's armor pen, yeah

I would just roll more guns

[weary acorn]

okay, I'll just turn it into a blue and eat it then

maybe use it as a stop gap

... it rolled 20% vs maniacs and onslaught 3

[late valley]

i just use the autobuy mod set to scrap anything below

[tall torrent]

48 stopping power is very low

[late valley]

I don't bother with anything less

[weary acorn]

the gun has maxed out stopping power

[fading grove]

is there even a dump stat on hellbores then? Like they all seem important

[late valley]

stability

[tall torrent]

This one is 48 stopping power?

[weary acorn]

look at the gray

[tall torrent]

Oh the grey one

I wouldn’t use either honestly

Both are bad

[late valley]

It's a slow firing gun that you have to charge between shots, you're gonna reset on target anyway

[weary acorn]

I'm gonna use it as a stop gap because it rolled well on perks and blessings, i can roll for another

[tall torrent]

Low charge rate helbore lasguns are horribly unwieldy

[late valley]

low charge brown helbore

[elder vessel]

poopbore

[next spade]

380 lol

how many million do you want to spend

[mellow adder]

This worth Melk bucks?

[stray storm]

What’s the best blessing roll for Lawbringer shotgun again?

[next spade]

I wouldnt spend Melk on tactical axes unless you really like them

[gleaming turtle]

THANKS FOR NOTHING MELK

[neon arch]

what a tragic waste of a lovely shovel

[stray storm]

I mean it is usable

[peak stone]

Anyone else notice their Plasma Gun animation and sounds have been glitched since the part 2 patch?

[gleaming turtle]

Yes

[next spade]

hammerblow even on low rank is having a lot of %

[gleaming turtle]

Yeah, but I want to kill things, not knock them around useleslly.

[drowsy kayak]

Hadron treating me well lol

[next spade]

thats what shovel does best tho, crowd control

[stray storm]

If you want to kill get Power Sword with Power Cycler

[sullen scarab]

I think I rolled a decent chainaxe, what should I do with it? Swap out Poxwalkers for Carapace?

[next spade]

I think with 2 stagger blessings you can probably stunlock heavier units like chaos ragers or stuff

[echo parcel]

love my pooper scooper, still can't get Deci 4 after like 10k plasteel though

[sharp ember]

pretty nice, yeah change out poxwalkers

i personally prefer Headtaker over Slaughterer but you work with what you get

I like Thunderous for using regular heavies on crushers and maulers

[sullen scarab]

oooo ok

So thunderous and slaughterer is a pretty good combo yeah

[fleet thicket]

@sharp ember hello darkness my old friend i came to talk with you again

[drowsy kayak]

If I ever get the chance too should I swap out all or nothing for something?

[sharp ember]

thunderous is only helpful for attacking carapace armor, so you can change it out if you want

[sullen scarab]

sounds good

[stray storm]

No Respite is good on Lawbringer shotguns?

[sullen scarab]

I saw someone said Headtaker AND Slaughterer isn't too bad of a combo? Since it helps horde clear?

[sharp ember]

headtaker + slaughterer is a solid all-round setup yeah

[echo parcel]

I like all or nothing, shovel has nice push attack so you can stay on low stam to proc it

[sullen scarab]

I was dicking around with the weapon while it was white quality and it obliterated Ragers in one shot even without anything

[sharp ember]

👋

[sullen scarab]

ok sounds good, thanks man!

Appreciate it

[vivid cedar]

this worth or naw?

[sullen scarab]

Oh man, I'm pretty sure I saw thrust and bloodletter are pretty good on that axe

just oblitrate people with chainsaw attacks

[next spade]

honestly bloodletter in testing wasnt that great

[stray storm]

Kick Back Plays

[sharp ember]

bloodletter is better on chainswords tbh

[fleet thicket]

how you doing guardsman

[sharp ember]

chillin

[fleet thicket]

honestly these new shovels are whole another level

[sullen scarab]

hmmm ok

[vivid cedar]

if i do grab it, what should i swap on it?

[fleet thicket]

im wondering what to build though so far i thinnk uncanny and decimator are the best options

for them

[stray storm]

If Mercy Kill was on it would be 10x better