veteran-class

[forest scaffold]

Its why I could never beat metro 2

I beat the first one

[frank ether]

90 minutes into a mission that ends because you alerted a scout

[forest scaffold]

with great willpower

[frank ether]

thats horror right there

[zealous wyvern]

i refuse to accept that gtfo is horror

[untold mulch]

Is tension? suspense? idk how to say it

[zealous wyvern]

bioshock is more horror than it

[forest scaffold]

Tension, Suspense, Atmosphere

[zealous wyvern]

tension yes but not really in the scary sense

[forest scaffold]

all of these are horror adjacent

and me no likey

[civic bay]

you don't need to be on the other side of the map to use raking fire, you just have to be behind things

[zealous wyvern]

yes

its adjacent

[untold mulch]

Is that don't fucking make a move

[zealous wyvern]

tension is not horror but a tool used by horror

[frank ether]

Too bad for GTFO it kinda doesnt have a working matchmaking

[sleek cairn]

i mean, ppl label Resident Evil 4 as a horror game but , u know.

[nimble sentinel]

aight I'm closing my meme folder and getting serious

IT IS GOOD THAT THIS GAME IS DIFFERENT

We got horde shooters for when we wanna shut our brains off and kill a lot of dudes
We got hardcore coop games like GTFO when we want to teamwork so hard out of necessity
We got competitive shooters where we get to flex on one another for how fast we can click on a head

Darktide is Darktide, it is the game that it is and it is fun

Some of y'all sound like you want to play other games, and that is okay. Go play them. They're great

[frank ether]

its unapproachable for the average ape

[zealous wyvern]

i hate gtfo because it is such a great game but the combat is far too difficult for me

far too difficult

i run out of ammo after one horde

and the shoots MESS me up

[frank ether]

It is intended to be so to promote stealth and scavenging

[nimble sentinel]

not sure why gamers want to change every game to be their special game when they can just go to said special game

[zealous wyvern]

tracking projectiles that is fun

[sleek cairn]

u need to play like i play vet. Dont shoot ur gun ever.

[zealous wyvern]

even when i DO scavenge

[forest scaffold]

I just want darktide to be hard again without needing to grind my face into maelstrom with a completely unlocked AI director

[zealous wyvern]

we clear the whole map

[forest scaffold]

like

[zealous wyvern]

literally

like i mean it

[forest scaffold]

I shouldn't see 9 crushers

and go

[civic bay]

somehow people still manage to run out of ammo after one horde in this game even as Veteran

[zealous wyvern]

i played with my boys and we cleared all the loot

[forest scaffold]

"just another day on the job"

the power level of PCs in Darktide is super whack

[sleek cairn]

we're space marines u see

[zealous wyvern]

and stealthed the randoms around the place

[nimble sentinel]

of course it is, we're named characters in a Games Workshop IP

[zealous wyvern]

but one door horde and i am dead

[gaunt delta]

Have you tried leveling a new character?

[sleek cairn]

every one of us. Space Marines.

[forest scaffold]

But we're not named characters

We're random trash

[nimble sentinel]

I have a name

[forest scaffold]

from a random prison ship

[frank ether]

well, I dont remember it being THAT bad with turrets, foam, mines etc and considering you have 4 teammates

[forest scaffold]

above a random planet

[zealous wyvern]

yeah but that stuff just runs out

so fast

[whole moon]

YOU ARE A WARRIOR!

[nimble sentinel]

Vraks is a random planet, Badab was a random sector

[zealous wyvern]

i can do rundown 1 and 2 usually

but at 3 it stops

i just cannot do it

[nimble sentinel]

every planet is random until an event gives it significance

[zealous wyvern]

you know the ones where you have to move while being assaulted by a horde?

[patent valley]

there's a plasma vet, lmao, ammo low already

[zealous wyvern]

its like a payload so to speak

[nimble sentinel]

Atoma is our random planet given significance

[frank ether]

Oh those. You gotta be fast with those.

[zealous wyvern]

i hate those

so much

[frank ether]

yeah those are very difficult

[zealous wyvern]

and the games are so long that losing hurts a lot

[nimble sentinel]

and we are our own Gaunt's Ghosts

[frank ether]

but I respect that you know

[zealous wyvern]

we usually spent an entire evening trying to beat one mission

i just want it to have an easier difficulty....

[forest scaffold]

I'm pretty sure the GGs had a higher attrition rate than our rejects

[zealous wyvern]

its not fun to me this way

[forest scaffold]

Rest in Peace Bragg

FUCK CUU

FUCK CUU

ME AND ALL MY HOMIES HATE CUU

[sleek cairn]

Puri feels like Saint Celestine when he plays darktide

[nimble sentinel]

there are some *DUMB mfers that aren't even playing Ogryn out there

[whole moon]

wtf is CCU

[nimble sentinel]

IMHO vet chat is too filled with the goats

[forest scaffold]

ELIJAH FETHIN CUU

THE BASTARD THAT KILLED BRAGG

[frank ether]

I kinda get why you hate it but at the same time its exciting for me. when I win in GTFO it feels like a weight has been lifted, like I've been liberated lmao

[zealous wyvern]

i do like vet chat ppl the most

[frank ether]

There are plenty of horde coop shooters

[nimble sentinel]

we need more skill issued randos to balance out the average skill level

[frank ether]

that have it very easy

[slim hamlet]

Can we continue talking about builds?

[whole moon]

I'll go google,. I think Puri's getting a little Khorney over it

[nimble sentinel]

but they aren't the type of people to get on the official discord and theorycraft

[zealous wyvern]

if a game is so heavy on me that i am glad its over when i beat it that is not a good thing for me

i feel like my evening is just gone

[sleek cairn]

holy shit u perfectly described it to me. Its like the exhaustion you get after masturbation

[zealous wyvern]

and sometimes we would not even beat a mission

[forest scaffold]

wat

[whole moon]

right, now I understand lol

[zealous wyvern]

5 hours

[crude gazelle]

lmao

[zealous wyvern]

i am not one to say i need to win to have fun

[nimble sentinel]

I lied I never closed the folder

[sleek cairn]

Makes u feel like playing GTFO now doesnt it

[frank ether]

nah the lows are very low but the highs are very high.

[warm idol]

gtfo is a fun game but the caveat is that it's only playable with friends

[zealous wyvern]

the highs for me were just

[warm idol]

which I get the appeal of

[zealous wyvern]

"eh guess i can finally stop playing"

[warm idol]

but at the same time

[zealous wyvern]

it was not good

[zealous wyvern]

i literally did not give a care for winning in that game

[frank ether]

Its as fun as the people you play it with tbh yeah

[nimble sentinel]

This. I like being able to pug reliably

[zealous wyvern]

i was just like

finally over

and went to play stuff that is actually fun

man i hate gtfo

with passion

[warm idol]

me and my friends tend to have less free time these days which forces me to pug for a lot of games

[zealous wyvern]

but i am glad to hear you are not stunted by its difficulty

i think the games concept is amazing

and was truly sad i cannot enjoy it

i might at some point try to find a cheat for it so i can play it

[whole moon]

its been a while since me n the usual group did some GTFO, we love it. I let the try-hard in the group sort out what we gonna do and then its HAMMERS OUT! 😄

[zealous wyvern]

just for the atmosphere, looting and the "riddles"

i loved the thinking work in it

[whole moon]

I have a habit of going a little hammer crazy

[sleek cairn]

you guys are making puri only more curious

[zealous wyvern]

i just died whenever the hordes came

[warm idol]

it's also why I don't really like games that are only enjoyable with friends because the magic dies rather quickly

like you get in

[nimble sentinel]

y'all got usual groups?

[warm idol]

have your fun

and then that's it

[frank ether]

your entire gtfo team needs to be competent at stealth, melee, coordinated attacks, coordinated scans, ranged fight, gadgets, terminal use, map nagivation, stamina management, resource management etc etc

[warm idol]

depends on the game

[frank ether]

like there is a ton of skill ceiling that goes into it

[warm idol]

not for darktide that's for sure

considering almost everyone I know has stopped

[frank ether]

everyone and their moms are like we want a teamplay game but wont play it cause it has too much teamplay

[slim hamlet]

[sleek cairn]

dont forget proper voice comm usage.

[nimble sentinel]

I kid, mostly. I lost my usual groups from immigration, timezones be what they do

[whole moon]

Well, its a splinter group really, we used to be part of the Canonn science team in Elite, but we kinda became their 'combat defence' wing. Then as we lost interest we just ended up as a group of friends playing games

[eternal venture]

My work hours force me to pug in most games

[frank ether]

oh yea, that too

[warm idol]

people ask for a game that requires everyone to be super coordinated and work in sync with eachother basically always and then wonder why it doesn't do well

[eternal venture]

I'm lucky I even have a static for ffxiv

[zealous wyvern]

or unlucky

[eternal venture]

getting back home at midnight is not the best for playing with people who sleep at reasonable hours

[frank ether]

just not commercially viable people dont actually know what they want they arent honest to themselves

[nimble sentinel]

yeh, scheduling with Californians is dificult from Britain

[warm idol]

in the meanwhile I work at midnight a lot of the time

[forest scaffold]

That is sad :( 🫂

[slim hamlet]

There is no better feeling than when team work goes right but there is also no worse feeling when teamwork goes to shit (in gaming)

[warm idol]

night shifts baybee

[eternal venture]

gtfo missions are long, too

They're usually about an hour long

[sleek cairn]

i cant even pee

[forest scaffold]

I put 3000 hours into tarkov playing only groups

You can't hurt me with bad teamplay

I've seen literally everything

and committed many of my own sins

[frank ether]

and the less experienced your team is the longer they will be

for our first clears for some levels it wasnt uncommon to spend like 3 hours on the same mission lol

[forest scaffold]

actually planning watches for bathroom breaks type shit

hello arma3 events run by karmakut

[warm idol]

my old gaming group that used to play with eachother all the time before going to uni/work/family was composed of 2 euros, 2 americans and an australian

[bold ibex]

so close D: Handcannon 4 would've had this set.

[forest scaffold]

"were gunnna be here for 9 hours guys, be ready for that"

squads planning around people takin a dump irl

[eternal venture]

FFXIV ultimates have honed my patience

[warm idol]

it was an experience trying to find good times to play

[nimble sentinel]

oh gosh, the ping

[frank ether]

lol, for most of the missions you dont really get roaming enemies that spawn out of nowhere

[eternal venture]

Yeah half my ffxiv group is from LatAm or EU lol

[warm idol]

the aussie was a gaming god despite his ping

it was funny watching him rubberband

[forest scaffold]

should be fine with just tier 3

[slim hamlet]

I am currently at work taking a dump (I contributed just as much to this channel as you did right now )

[eternal venture]

progging an ultimate for multiple months on end definitely teaches you something about mental toughness

and bringing out the best in people so they don't tilt

[warm idol]

or people showing their true colors when they blame everyone but themselves

[eternal venture]

I've had to police my fair share of static drama

[bold ibex]

No, not after the nerf.

[warm idol]

people need to just realise that nobody can play perfectly 24/7 and everyone makes mistakes

peope just need to learn from said mistakes

[forest scaffold]

My first thought when I lose in Darktide is "What the fuck fatshark"

My second is: "What did I do wrong"

[frank ether]

meanwhile darktide gamers farming 1000 hours for plasteel and ordo

[timid otter]

I will mix it up depending on situation

[forest scaffold]

I don't even farm

Not anymore

[timid otter]

Some scenarios are just fatshark moments

[slim hamlet]

Blame circumstances and learn that some things could have been done better by all sides

[forest scaffold]

too busy sticking with the team to pick anything but ammo

[timid otter]

Others are teammates defintely killing me

[untold mulch]

"What the fuck fatshark" has been a constant this patch

[forest scaffold]

Uh

[frank ether]

usually there will be that one plasteel sniffer anyways

[warm idol]

fire and lag

[timid otter]

Like if im running with three stealth vets with no profile then yeah my team will be the ones killing me.

[eternal venture]

I think all of my downs since the update have been to fire

[forest scaffold]

I haven't noticed too much tbh

[eternal venture]

on any character

[gaunt delta]

Puri has simply ascended into godhood. Of course the game will look different from up there

[forest scaffold]

Just the fire

[gusty sonnet]

(he always plays with a guy named fatshark)

[forest scaffold]

really.

[warm idol]

oh right rogue trader came out yday

gotta install that shit

[forest scaffold]

Everything else has been pretty piss easy

[untold mulch]

Fire, lag, audio cues missing

[forest scaffold]

for better or for worse

[untold mulch]

I am on it rn

[zealous wyvern]

1. oh we lost
2. yippie i get to add another number to my name

[forest scaffold]

I've been dealing with audio cue issues since darktide released

So much so I don't even dodge trappers if I can't see them anymore

If I'm gonna gamble

I'm gonna gamble on standing still

too fuckin lazy at this point

[zealous wyvern]

3. damn i still disappointed the Emperor probably

"You failed the Emperor" always gets me

dying for the Emperor does not feel good when you are failing when doing so

[forest scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-yippee-creature-yippee-meme-yippee-gif-gif-1489386840712152603

[zealous wyvern]

i hate that failed mission sign

it hurts

[eternal venture]

My favorite is joining a game and immediately going to the mission failed sign

[zealous wyvern]

yet to happen to me

same for instant death on spawn

[warm idol]

another thing about gaming with friends (or statics in games like ffxiv), is that people need to vibe with eachother

if personalities don't mix well

there's no point really

[eternal venture]

Definitely

We cleared TOP late because our tanks just didn't vibe with the group

[warm idol]

you can have the best squad of gamers of all time but it's not gonna be a fun experience if they dislike eachother

[eternal venture]

We had to go through like

5 tanks before we found a couple to clear with

[zealous wyvern]

i disagree

as long as they all like me i am ok with them shouting at each other all the time

i get to play game

[gaunt geyser]

my head rings out with memories of Indrick Boreal saying "We have fehled... the Emprah."

[zealous wyvern]

my fun is all that matters

[slim hamlet]

I like deadshot and .5 second sooner stamina regen even without stamina curios but I still need the crucian roulette and hand cannon with crit chance and crit damage roll on my new revolver… do I really need to wait to get wanted options on a blue roll?

[untold mulch]

At this point, only constant in gaming is a single bud, though after so many years, we have the braincell synced to the point we know what the other dumbass is gonna do without any words

[frank ether]

sharing a single brain cell

[warm idol]

eh personally I don't find it fun of the group in constantly is bickering with eachother

[untold mulch]

[zealous wyvern]

yeah no

its not fun

im joking

[south spindle]

Less true in DT, i've seen people talk absolute shite at one another but if one of them goes down, the other still makes an effort to pick em up

[zealous wyvern]

the worst thing i ever had was a destiny raid

destiny raids brought out the absolute worst

in all of my friends basically

man

[gaunt geyser]

"what will you have after 40,000 years?"

my duo

[warm idol]

destiny raids are piss easy but somehow people still get mad in them

[zealous wyvern]

that was the darkest hour of my friend group

[untold mulch]

PREACH

[zealous wyvern]

they arent

good for you though

[warm idol]

I mean with the amount of broken builds bungie has been putting out

[zealous wyvern]

not everyone has broken builds

[warm idol]

plus the mechanics being designed to be simple to understand

[zealous wyvern]

hell not everyone even plays the game constantly

and raid mechanics are not that easy

some are

some arent

[warm idol]

compared to raids in mmo's

they are

[zealous wyvern]

and even then, the time pressure and coordination involved can still kill you easily if you are not good

[warm idol]

and im coming from that pov

[zealous wyvern]

doesnt matter

but the comparison might be correct

still does not actually make it easier

just means you are used to even harder stuff

[frank ether]

this applies to so many pve games

[gaunt geyser]

coordination
throws me back to me actually putting one into my duo's dome in R6 because I just kept spraying & praying; he uncrouched

[zealous wyvern]

lmao

[gaunt geyser]

lack of coordination is a literal killer

[frank ether]

my friend group arent even that good gamers

yet winrate go brrr in a premade

[zealous wyvern]

ppl should just shut the fuck up about blame

man

those destiny raids were horror

so much horror

remembering them is sending me down a hole right now

[gaunt geyser]

OW2

[zealous wyvern]

makes me feel bad

[frank ether]

PvP blaming is where people lose their sanity

moba gamers are actual filth

[zealous wyvern]

i like league

but i hate the blame game

[untold mulch]

Has happened

Shouldn't have stand up 🤷‍♂️

[frank ether]

I mostly played normal queue in league and it was still full of filthy vermin unfit for society

[gaunt geyser]

OW2 The Blame Game is where you get violently dunked on and some shithead on your team says "gg no heals" despite not doing any significant dps

[zealous wyvern]

the thing is

that vermin is mostly normal people

they just let loose online

[frank ether]

dont care

vermin

rats

[zealous wyvern]

i am tempted to agree but in the end

it seems too sledgehammer

i still think their behaviour is completely unacceptable

[gaunt geyser]

idk some people back in the day over certain games be sending you your own address

[untold mulch]

"Thanks, I didn't had it written down"

[gaunt geyser]

(looking at GTA and R6, namely. buddy of mine got his address sent to him on both iirc)

[zealous wyvern]

well no those people need a bullet

unless you started it

[gaunt geyser]

point is; nah these people deserve the title of filthy fuckin rats sometimes lmfao

[zealous wyvern]

then you kind of deserve it

[untold mulch]

People who dox needs a kick in the balls

[gaunt geyser]

hell no, we never do anything beyond like

You know, typical game bs activities

Sometimes rage inducing

Never warrants dropping the IP on someone

[frank ether]

Part of it I feel like is on the games to encourage this behavior too

league is especially notorious for this

[zealous wyvern]

league has an "easy" taunt thing you can flash

the funniest part of that is

if you say it in chat you get banned

[frank ether]

as it has this leave penalty system that guarantees you are trapped with the bad actors for a while or suffer a temporary ban

[zealous wyvern]

but they literally GIVE you a sign you can buy for it

[frank ether]

Idk if that changes, havent played leauge in many years

[zealous wyvern]

its still like it

yes

leaving is punished

[untold mulch]

Played league once

Hated the gameplay so much I left isntantly

[zealous wyvern]

i can say with 100% certainty

[frank ether]

but back when I did if you had a bad actor in your team basically you were forced to waste a good half hour of your life

[zealous wyvern]

league is no more toxic than other mainstream games

theyre all like that

i hate when ppl focus fire on league for this

there are so many games where people are like this

[gaunt geyser]

sidenote, I genuinely don't know how strict this server is over discussion sidetracks like

mods gonna be over this? I just remembered we're in guard vet chat lmfao

[zealous wyvern]

at least league never had anyone dox me

[frank ether]

difference is if someone is rude to me in darktide I can just take my ass and leave

if they say really mean stuff I can get them banned

[untold mulch]

Ehhh, no one is talking Vet stuff, so I guess is fine

[gaunt geyser]

fair

[zealous wyvern]

if you dont flood away peoples questions i hope it does not matter

also darktide is nice

i have met 2 toxic people ingame

[gaunt geyser]

anyhow, there's a reason I'll never touch League

[zealous wyvern]

in 700ish hours

[gaunt geyser]

or any moba for that matter

or any like

[zealous wyvern]

moba just has the big drawback of locking you into a match for 40ish minutes

[frank ether]

mods are very tolerant and each class chat is its own pond of a tiny community more or less

[gaunt geyser]

Warcraft, League, Rocket League, any of them sweaty games

[zealous wyvern]

leaving is punished which is annoying if you have need to leave but ofc its also for protection

you cant just "fill" a moba

its too complex for that

[gaunt geyser]

like, nah, people be sending actual death threats over those games sometimes

[zealous wyvern]

so people are made to stay in

[untold mulch]

I have not kept count, but the amount is stupidly low fr

[gaunt geyser]

OW2 leaving is dumb; qp literally isn't qp anymore

[untold mulch]

Most people I have peeves in DT is just outright because of incompetency

Why you in maelstrom when you die to 3 poxwalkers

[frank ether]

knife zealot number 245969245453

shoots specials with revolver

dies to poxwalker

[gaunt delta]

This is why I’m vibing in Malice forever

[untold mulch]

Vet who only shoot

Zealots that zoom around and dies at everyfight

Blind Ogryns

Self Exploding Psykers

[frank ether]

honest question to knife players who run like

special killing weapons

revolvo, bolter etc

why?

honestly why?

[untold mulch]

I can no longer touch Malice, I get legit sleepy

[gaunt geyser]

big funny

[zealous wyvern]

runs ahead
DH triggered
dies
we make our way to rescue steadily
"hurry the fuck up ffs"
i tell em to wait their turn
grabs objective and stands still saying "wait your turn"

filthy person

still remember that

[echo parcel]

The "toxic" thing that is kind of common is insta leave after getting downed in darktide, which in all honesty, is really nothing compared to other games

[somber sable]

hat is the generally best damage resistances to get on curious? I have some bomber ones from random rolls but honestly I don't think those ever saved me

[gaunt geyser]

Like, genuine answer, it feels good to whip out the revolver and just dome the specialist

[zealous wyvern]

whatever, they get replaced by a bot which is more useful usually

i would not even call that toxic

if they are so upset by dying that they leave i would not say its toxic

[untold mulch]

Emperorless behaviour

[zealous wyvern]

unless they insult you first

if they insult you before leaving it is toxic

[frank ether]

I kinda dont wanna blame people sometimes

sometimes you just get a team thats like...

bad vibes

[zealous wyvern]

yeah

or you are mad at yourself

and think youre a weight on them

so you leave

[frank ether]

or that too

[zealous wyvern]

or you are being interrupted by whatever roommate and have to go and you died cuz afk

[sleek cairn]

but im actively trying to smoke ppl in vent purge

[gaunt geyser]

real

[sleek cairn]

i just did

[echo parcel]

I get that, sometimes you just are ashamed of what you just did so you just show yourself the door

[zealous wyvern]

but definitiely if they do insult you before leaving that is lame

[untold mulch]

Last argument I had in chat was a dude clearly power leveling his unprepared friend

They both camped a corner when there were a massive flamer and bomber spam

Then bitched when they died where were we

We were duoing a Beast of Nurgle and avoidign 2 DH meanwhile

We rescue them

they bitch in chat, we shittalk back

they both disconnect

Got 2 useful players a minute later

[frank ether]

they seem like asshats

basic courtesy if you're power leveling pick up the slack lol

[untold mulch]

They really were, I love how he was trying to put blame on us for why they were in the shittiest camp position

[sleek cairn]

man ppl like that suck the fun out of every game

[untold mulch]

Like I like coherency and all

[zealous wyvern]

that is pretty crazy

[sleek cairn]

i just play to have a good laugh lol

[untold mulch]

but I ain't gonna cover your ass, if you stay in the most boxed in place

[frank ether]

Thats one thing I learned through pain

[untold mulch]

At least they didn't trigger either DH

[gaunt geyser]

People camp in this game?

[sleek cairn]

i think he means chokepoint

[gaunt geyser]

Also, tfw no coherency

[gaunt geyser]

ah, makes sense

[sleek cairn]

sometimes u have to hunker down so AI doesnt get finicky

[frank ether]

sometimes I still end up backed in a corner when the game goes like ''haha yes how about 30 shotgunners''

[untold mulch]

Yeah my bad

They just were in a chokepoint trying to stave the enemies

but like had no room to maneuver

the moment any special appeared it was gonna be a wipe

so I just pushed through with my friend, fuck that

[frank ether]

yeah this is

ppl do it with

elevators

and checkpoints

dont camp there

its a terrible idea

lmao

[untold mulch]

Chokepoints are good

When you have a place B to run

[pastel geode]

Rogue trader is making me want the longlas in darktide more

[untold mulch]

I want a karking hellgun

[frank ether]

they keep teasing us with longlas

[sleek cairn]

see this is where smokes are powerful. they were never meant for your enemies. U were suppose to smoke ur teammates all along

[frank ether]

its placed left and right in all the new levels

[untold mulch]

My normal lasgun isn't doing good enough

I need Volume of Fire, I have not the aim for headshot god

[vivid charm]

"While there is breath in my Longs and a gun in my hand I will hold the line"

[sleek cairn]

im being serious @frank ether i use my smokes like teargas for teammates

it does work

u kinda direct them along

[untold mulch]

I liked someone yesterday saying that Longlas could have the effect that if they headshot an enemy, any enemy on the area would be instantly suppressed

[gaunt geyser]

God, I miss having a working computer. I really miss the days of DoW. Remembered that Kasrkins were a thing

[untold mulch]

give it a radius effect

[untold mulch]

Love Kasrkin

[vivid charm]

Long range terrifying barrage, would be a cool blessing tbh

[untold mulch]

Basically, yes

Would help with the, why use a single shot weapon on horde game

Because it can give space to the team

[vivid charm]

Rule of cool

[frank ether]

that'd be cool, maybe helbore 3 could use a little bit of suppression as a treat too

[somber sable]

got a decent-ish kantrael, any good stuff I could put on it until I get my forever gun?

[untold mulch]

Also makes sense

if suddenly an ally head popped

[gaunt geyser]

505 kinda goes hard ngl

[untold mulch]

I would be pretty terrified

[sleek cairn]

and some penetration through the friendly ogryn

[untold mulch]

FR

[zealous wyvern]

left mouse button - hipfire DMR
right mouse button - aim down sights DMR
special - swap to sniper mode with higher ammo consumption and singleshot instead of semiauto

[sleek cairn]

friendly ogryn my ass tho, he's blocking ur helbore 3 on purpose i bet

[frank ether]

I think hb3 already does penetrate, but only goes through one

[untold mulch]

I like it

[frank ether]

so you can shoot through oggy

[zealous wyvern]

its how i would make a sniper in darktide

[sleek cairn]

seriously? i must've been using helbore 1 and 2 too often to notice lol

[zealous wyvern]

you would need to tweak ammo amount etc to make it a worse DMR than headhunter

[sleek cairn]

or do they go through ogryn too

[zealous wyvern]

otherwise it would just erase headhunters

[untold mulch]

Also, I hate the game doesn't take advantage of LASER weapons

I wish I could tweak ammo usage mid fight

[vivid charm]

I also played widow maker

[untold mulch]

Let me overcharge,

[frank ether]

it would be the lasgun counterpart

[zealous wyvern]

12 infantry las is kind of a dmr too

right?

it would be like helbore

[frank ether]

It does fill that spice currently yea

[whole moon]

feel like using the plasma finally clicked last match. I might be close. I might finally 'git gud' with the Vet 🙂

[gaunt geyser]

looks good imo, change one of those perks to tier 4 and just hold tight for now til either better blessing or just better Lasgun altogether

[jade notch]

I wonder what would happen if Shock Trooper wasn't specific to Lasguns, but all guns

[sleek cairn]

does it glow bright white too

[frank ether]

feel like a lasgun slower than 12 would really have to pick up the slack somewhere else

[zealous wyvern]

i dont like shocktrooper being for las only

it seems stupid

[vivid charm]

Fan the hammer builds would be gross

[frank ether]

so longlas would need to do really damn good boss and ogy damage

[untold mulch]

Yeah, I dislike is weapon specific

[whole moon]

sadly no but I can live with that

[somber sable]

oh, I'll try to get the tier 4 weakspot one and probably flak damage instead of reload speed I guess? is that good?

[frank ether]

It would also be very difficult to make that sorta thing work with current marksman keystone

[jade notch]

Didn't FS say that they were trying to avoid Weapon-Specific Talents too?

[sleek cairn]

thats a good thing Kal, i hate the glow

[untold mulch]

Shcoktrooper looks like a relic of that version that they didn't bother fixing

[jade notch]

Jsut Revolvers in general would be even more bonkers than they already are

[vivid charm]

I mean yeah, but it's neat

[gusty bison]

Revolver even more OP

[frank ether]

shock trooper probably leftover relic before they scrapped early keystones

I dont... hate it though

[untold mulch]

I wish we could have seen

[sleek cairn]

did somebody say make revolver more powerful? im all ears

[untold mulch]

the OG tree

[frank ether]

I've come to terms with the tree we got rn

[jade notch]

I'm not in the experimental branch, so I didn't know Shock Trooper was a vestigial part of early builds

[frank ether]

just some improvements to marksman focus and its all good

maybe some love for smoke while at it

[sleek cairn]

so.. 5min duration smokes?

[gusty bison]

And fix survivalist

[frank ether]

just make them do something useful

[gusty bison]

Read: Fix the ammo economy

[sleek cairn]

they already do, they block teammate vision

[untold mulch]

Everytime I play not my vet is so painful not having a Scavenger Vet on a match

[whole moon]

revolver is still doing mostly the same isnt it? player yesterday saying their 2shot crusher build still kills in 2shots so I'm wondering what all the fuss is over it being nerfed

[vivid charm]

I was hoping the double barrel shotgun and bolt pistol would be coming out in part 2 but all a variants are nice.

But the new revolver and las pistol make me hungry for the bolt pistol they found in the files

[jade notch]

I'd make Smoke also a Stimm Grenade, tbh. Grants Toughness or Damage Bonuses to Teammates inside the smoke, tone down the obscurity so you can actually see through it.

Smoke Grenades need a lot of love, however that turns out

[sleek cairn]

My man, have u seen anybody fussing over revolver nerf here

[frank ether]

the vet aura choice part is easy to fix but for ammo economy as a whole I'm not so sure.

[sleek cairn]

these guys are busy nerfing vet some more instead

[untold mulch]

-100% ammo

[topaz lance]

Slug double barrel when?

[junior grail]

I like the new Revolver but is it too much for me to ask that it cleaves through at least one for enemy?

[sleek cairn]

i think i had a 4 revolver match last run lol

[whole moon]

honestly.. depends on the time of day. consistency of opinion wrt to vet changes is not something I see in here 🙂

[junior grail]

Give Ogryn double barrel kickback first

[untold mulch]

Btw I have a question

We have a modifier with no ammo drops and mostly melee enemies

When do we get the opposite 🗿

I want 200% ammo regen

All gunners

this is COD now

[topaz lance]

Why not both?

[sleek cairn]

no enemies and only ammo everywhere?

what

[whole moon]

It doesnt need to be more powerful, it already sits the map down as it is

[topaz lance]

Revolver needs to jump through 1,5 more hoops to one shot crushers under exe stance after the "nerf". Nothing really changed.

[untold mulch]

mostly Ranged enemies, and a shit ton of ammo

You know, the opposite

[vivid charm]

Yee I feel this, makes it hard to smack specials but, but, rule of cool

[untold mulch]

I am half memeing anyways,

[junior grail]

How about Ammo Caches near Medical Servitors? Like the Ammo Boxes in VT2

[sleek cairn]

Is it NOT a media trope for wishes to go wrong

[untold mulch]

Eh, I am memeing, most classes have too much melee focus

[sleek cairn]

might be the VT2 rubbing on us

[junior grail]

I'm fine with new revo being poorer at long range but its kinda useless for horde clear too, at least compared to Zarona

[untold mulch]

But I would like a modifier of that, but is selfishly, it would be mostly fun only to Vets

[junior grail]

Ogryn Gunluggers

[untold mulch]

True

So 1 class and 1 subclass

[whole moon]

I cant see 5 rounds doing much for horde clear? what am I missing?

[junior grail]

Zealot Infinite Knives

[gaunt geyser]

Kasrkin when

[vivid charm]

No I mean through hoards,

Understand I'm a weapon speciality vet

I be swapping

[untold mulch]

I am begging for a subclass that copies Outcast Engineer from VT2 with a Hellgun/Stormtrooper

[sleek cairn]

I see you. praise

Weapon specialty for life

[junior grail]

Yea I get what you mean, Zarona Revolver can shoot right through no probs

AgriRevolver got no line of sight? Don't bother

[whole moon]

oh, you dance around to cluster a horde up then use the pen to kill loads in one shot?

[untold mulch]

Like man, I need a Gunner line

I like shooting, but I am not aiming at headshots, I need a subclass for us the people who like that ammo number to be in the 4 digits

[sleek cairn]

unlimited ammo in ur horde shooter?

can't go wrong with that!

[junior grail]

Kantrael mg4 lasgun?

[untold mulch]

I mean not necesarily if you are gonna shoot a shitton

[sleek cairn]

i definitely mark a shitton more than i shoot

[untold mulch]

a .lot of ammo to unlimited ammo there is a space

[untold mulch]

Not the same, lacks the ROF

[vivid charm]

Yeah my main is a melee focused infiltrate build where I swap constantly because adaptable is based

[gaunt geyser]

Execution mechanic from DoW when

More than one guard vet in a strike team and need a boost? Execution.

[sleek cairn]

do u also find u never have to reload anymore

[junior grail]

Get RoF at the cost of carpal tunnel

[untold mulch]

FullAuto mod saves my hands

[junior grail]

Once Friendly Fire is in

[vivid charm]

Nah I still reload

I ball to hard

[whole moon]

I'm even happy with it firing off an extra every now and then. Saved my creaky knuckles a lot of grief

[junior grail]

Has the mods been updated yet to patch?

[untold mulch]

Only Weapon Mod I had to update tbh

[sleek cairn]

i do use fullauto mod ONLY for my plasma

dont ask why

it just works

[untold mulch]

Yeah I don't mind the negligent discharge in excahnge for it saving my hands

[junior grail]

Make it so Psyker has a 5% chance when Peril dying with no wounds left to become a Chaos Spawn.

During mid transformation, he must be executed to prevent it

[whole moon]

I mainly got it for the Laspistol but its helping out everywhere.

[untold mulch]

I got it for laspistol too

but the ROF nerf it got

[junior grail]

Strangely I find FullAuto makes me miss Revolver shots more than I want, as it shoots too dang fast

[untold mulch]

Killed the vibe to me

[junior grail]

I wish we can set what the FullAuto applies to

[whole moon]

oh, I thought it was just game lagging on me, it did have a crazy RoF I guess

[sleek cairn]

i mean theres a toggle bind

[whole moon]

I use Shift for my toggle

[junior grail]

I am lazy

[sleek cairn]

trust me i get lazy, i bind mark to lmb

i aso tried binding tag to rmb, W and shift

didn't have the same oomph as LMB

[grave wadi]

Should I roll Deathspitter to 4 for the extra 7.5% power or roll both the perks instead

[south spindle]

Agri' BAG

[south spindle]

I would roll both perks mate personally

If you can find one with FF/Hit an Run though, that will overall perform better

[manic badger]

Dum dum is also really good

[grave wadi]

Hit+Run does not make the gun kill things better tho, dont need it

[south spindle]

Not on BAGs

[manic badger]

oh its braced

[south spindle]

It makes you immune to ranged attacks on close kill though, so you can push gun lines you otherwise would be gutted by

Also massive synergy with DnD/Deadshot which is actually bizzarely good on BAG

[manic badger]

how is crucian on the new revolver

[fossil basalt]

I like a hit and run+stripped down personally

Literally ignore shooter lines to make it their problem

[civic knot]

Which Sword should i use? and what changes should i make?

[south spindle]

Take PC4 off left, swap onto right, keep Slaughterer

[manic badger]

^

[civic knot]

what are the BiS perks for PS6?

flak and maniac?

[manic badger]

maniac carapace

or flak maniac

[fossil basalt]

Depends on what armoured targets you hate more

[manic badger]

preference to what you want to do with it

[fossil basalt]

Personally I think PS is terrible for carapace but

[manic badger]

lol its not

you just do the shove attack

[sleek cairn]

Unyielding is the real answer for ps6

[manic badger]

with empowered and 2 shot crushers

[south spindle]

It deletes Crushers with or without perk, perk will just speed things along

[sleek cairn]

Ps6 should run unyielding.

[fossil basalt]

Never seen a vet not get flattened by a crusher

[civic knot]

too late now

[south spindle]

Unyielding isnt a bad pick

I wouldnt choose it personally, but its useful

[sleek cairn]

uhmm we can just leave it at that then

[civic knot]

did what u said

[south spindle]

I beleive new bosses are classed as Carapace anyway, so perk just got a lot more useful

[grave wadi]

Carapace not needed if you got Krak

real threat now is maulers/ragers for me

cruchers/bulwarks are easy mode compared to a swarm of the meat boyz

maniac/flak/elite damage is what I stick too on power sword

but I think I'm gonna ditch it once and for all in favor of MK12 chain axe

or the thunder-shovel

[livid fractal]

what blessings on stabby shovel

[gusty sonnet]

but you can counter them by picking shredders 🤔 therefore cara+shredder it is

[gritty dock]

If you have a rapid-firing weapon, the solution to maulers/ragers is Onslaught Talent.

[grave wadi]

If you mean chain-saw then yeah, I'm rolling to get an Mk12 axe these days

[empty creek]

dclaw

[grave wadi]

thats alot of points in a melee tree tho

[cerulean wind]

gentlemen, my plasma gun started recoiling quite uncomfortably on shots. is that some bug or mod or intentional fatshark change?

[empty creek]

the dclaw parry can block crusher / mauler overheads so if ur worried AB ur own defense, snag 1 up

[grave wadi]

Parry is sick until you are outnumbered, left clicking spamming is easier

shovel has pretty blocking too

[grave wadi]

Animation wise or crosshair wise

[cerulean wind]

crosshair, i think. jerks upwards after each shot.

[gentle heath]

come back to see that i gotta redo all my loadouts skill trees

[radiant plank]

question for Marked for Death penance, do you need to not miss at all during the Volley Fire or just between the four shots?

[eternal sable]

femboy?

[gentle heath]

WHERE

[eternal sable]

right here :3

buy me some things

i want some cute band merch so the boys at the gym talk to me

[livid fractal]

what blessings do i want MkIII Shovel

[grave wadi]

do you want it to one shot things

[livid fractal]

yes

[whole moon]

somerthing like that I think

[livid fractal]

but i also want some horde clear

[gentle heath]

[livid fractal]

not that one

wait

[gentle heath]

no thx

[livid fractal]

that is that one

[whole moon]

lol

[gentle heath]

im broke

[eternal sable]

mk 3 shovel for 1 shot is limbsplitter and take a swing

[livid fractal]

that's some wierd blessings tho

[eternal sable]

mk 3 for anything else is standard unanny + decimator

[livid fractal]

also what if i want to have at least some hordecleart

[grave wadi]

it does that already

[livid fractal]

eH?

it does until i hit any flak enemy

[whole moon]

its moveset can be rigged to sweeps, sweep attacks are CC

[eternal sable]

?

[whole moon]

lead with a heavy (good to prime the initial attack w a dodge slide too) then straight into a light before going heavy/light and it should keep hordes back

[gentle heath]

not buyin u stuff im broke alr

[whole moon]

that line ever work? also if the mods catch you you'll be on timeout

[eternal sable]

it has :3

thankfully the tf2 community is full of furries and femboys

[gentle heath]

yea it is

and people with strong opinions on different races

[eternal sable]

thats rust

[gentle heath]

which shovel is the best now

[whole moon]

I REALLY suggest changing this line of chat.

[gentle heath]

nuh uh i hear a lot of people spewing their strong opinions on tf2

this new talent tree is confusing

and doesnt change much

[eternal sable]

well if you go to a community server youre sure to find that hehe

[gentle heath]

🤫

no more talk

new talent tree does give me 1 extra point to spend tho

time to punish myself with auric

auric damnation

[south spindle]

Its four points cheaper to reach a keystone... so thats highly debatable

[patent valley]

it changes the game for people who wants keystones

[gentle heath]

my build is still the same tho and i only get 1 extra point left over

[patent valley]

not so much for people running the small nodes for versatility

[gentle heath]

so not much impact on me

[fleet thicket]

what do we build

on the new shovels btw?

i got a idea

for the one with overhead heavy thrust and decimator or skull crusher

im thinking

but then i reaslied

[keen elk]

What's the blessing to pair with power cycler on a power sword?

[fleet thicket]

it got terrible

carapce damge

[patent valley]

??

[fleet thicket]

so im thinking uncanny and decimator

[patent valley]

i can two shot crushers with new shovel

[fleet thicket]

well the heavies do

not the special

im talking heavies

[patent valley]

the special heavy

[fleet thicket]

also wait no

thats not right

[patent valley]

use special heavy, 2 shots

[fleet thicket]

what difficulty you playin?

[patent valley]

animation pretty short too

damnation obviously

bruh u think i'd be comparing shxt with sedition?

[fleet thicket]

what with thrust?

[patent valley]

anyone that does testing on not-damnation is wrong

[patent valley]

nothing, just 25% carapace dmg

i got uncanny, but that's about it

[fleet thicket]

thing is

[patent valley]

do mind that uncanny procs on both instance of dmg

both the hit, and the pull out

if u want funny one shot, i recommend thrust + all or nothing/limbsplitter

[fleet thicket]

i wouldnt be running carapce

in million years

[patent valley]

but its gonna be hella limiting

[fleet thicket]

flak and manic

are more important

[patent valley]

thrust + all or nothing/limbsplitter

[fleet thicket]

its not like im playing ogryn

[patent valley]

u try that blessing, or u just dont try to one shot them

also, at the very least, it has better carapace dmg than old shovel, no?

[fleet thicket]

i think

then

best is uncacnny

and decimatorthen

[patent valley]

well what im going for, except i have carapace

[grave wadi]

Slaughterer

[placid portal]

Brutal Momentum

[thick hare]

what blessings/perks do i want on plasma and ps6? as i basically never used either before, all i know is ps6 wants the power cycler 4

[placid portal]

Plasma does wonders with It gets Hot due to high crit% from heat buildup and pairs well with blaze away for uncharged firing

[thick hare]

you could spam uncharged fire right? it would auto cool when reaching 100

you only blow up with charged shots if i remember correct

[placid portal]

only if you decide to shoot at 100%

[whole moon]

mission reward, keep or sell?

[placid portal]

Uncharged got a safety action from high heat

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-27660622

[whole moon]

cheers o7

[placid portal]

Big Brick

[thick hare]

and ps6 wants power cycle with slaughterer? i saw someone else ask it above here

[placid portal]

Blood letter is super niche imo

[placid portal]

Preferrably Brutal momentum due to breakpoints with Push attack light combo does insane damage

[whole moon]

current pairing w PC is, Brutal Momentum > Rampage > Slaughterer

[placid portal]

Also Headshotkills ignore hitmass

[echo parcel]

what else is good on chaxe? apart from headtaker

[thick hare]

oh ok

[thick hare]

its push attack into 2 light combo after special?

assuming pc4 ofc

[whole moon]

block activate stab repeat for crushers

[thick hare]

whats the stab? heavy?

[whole moon]

the block attack. but if you charge it first its very spicy

[thick hare]

block attack changes based on when you charge?

oh nvm, misread

[thick hare]

and what about perks?

for both plasma and ps6

[whole moon]

PS6 Flak/Maniac Plasma Flak/Maniac/Unyielding/Carapace. Choose your flavour

[thick hare]

aright

[whole moon]

perks more important than blessings on plasma too

[gentle heath]

whats the differences in the new shovels

[whole moon]

they have a 'folded' attack thats pretty devastating

[gentle heath]

is it actually good?

[whole moon]

Ive only tested mine in the Psyk so far, Mk3 and it one shots everything except ogryn

CC/horde clear isnt too bad but without a couple of actual missions I dont wanna commit lol

[gentle heath]

thats cool

yea i think imma stick to my devil claw

[radiant plank]

Hi vets, question regarding the marked for death penance. I seem to be having trouble getting it. Coud've sworn i hit 4 poxwalkers in the head straight with the revolver but didn't get it... does it need to be the same weak spot, so like against a beast of nurgle or something? can you not miss at all during the volley fire activation or can you miss the first shot and get 4 straight and still get it? does it have to be 4 different enemies?

[zealous wyvern]

i think you have to only hit weakspots for 4 kills straight

i recommend not using a revolver

it penetrates, has aoe and a corridor hitbox

use a vraks 7 headhunter

semiauto

or if you dont have that a las weapon, not recon

[radiant plank]

oh so penetration doesn't count?

[zealous wyvern]

idk

but

it sounds messy

[stuck bridge]

If the pox walkers were near eachother then 100% they died due to the first one exploding

[zealous wyvern]

vraks 7 is best for this

pinpoint accurate

enough mag size to start over

oneshots anything on headshot in heresy except mutant

and damnation too probably if you have a crit build

[radiant plank]

okay. i'll try that out, thanks for the tip

[wanton dawn]

Bayonet build still works in auric maelstrom

[serene bough]

stabby stabby

i still dont like helbores

[wanton dawn]

Limbsplitter being disabled means you can bring a PS, and that's a really good pick to handle crusher and mauler

[gusty bison]

PS? Thats so P15

Shovel time

[serene bough]

using the new shovels makes me miss my orginal shovel tbh

i like the pickaxe function but, i think i'd rather poke and stagger

[gusty bison]

Its diff

Its more like an axe

I run thrust uncanny on the nee shovel

[wanton dawn]

Shovels don't have BM

[gusty bison]

I would never run thrust on the old one

[serene bough]

yeah thrust makes sense

[wanton dawn]

Limbsplitter is disabled, not BM

[serene bough]

wym disabled

blessing temporarily removed?

[wanton dawn]

Limbsplitter no longer works with bayonet, but Bm still does

[gusty bison]

Id say new shovel is better vs ragers ngl

Cos it 1 shots them

[wanton dawn]

You need a weapon with BM if you want to use bayonet build

[serene bough]

oh youre talking about bayonet shenanigans

[odd sparrow]

What does that improve?

Is there a certain BP or?

[wanton dawn]

You are talking to me ?

[odd sparrow]

Ye

[wanton dawn]

BM applies to bayonet. It improves weakspot damage and improve horde control

[radiant plank]

Welp, this worked. First mission after I swapped out from revolver, managed to get it against a beast of nurgle. Thanks :p

[odd sparrow]

Whats that mod that displays the item stats in the menu

[wanton dawn]

Here I needed 11 stab vs 7 stab with BM

Inventory Stats

No

lemme check, i have too many mod

Quick Lock Cards

[odd sparrow]

Sick thanks 👍

[jade notch]

Well shit, thanks Hadron

[hexed gull]

vetbros how is the skill tree feelin to yall?

[umbral scaffold]

Idk, the middle lane was good. Now it's better.

[topaz lance]

great! makes the weord builds I wanna test & play actually feasible

Of course I'm still like "I just need one more point" but oh well

[hexed gull]

Sweet. Been playiing Ogryn and Zealot religiously and made a veteran after seeing the changes. Looks pretty hype

[topaz lance]

You still have to choose from 2 "interesting" nodes instead though

[winter pivot]

does anybody know if there's a headgear for vet that changes their voice, like the new Psyker stuff?

[wanton dawn]

For the emperor is fine. Not great, but fine

[topaz lance]

Some masks muffle the voice, but it's not consistent which.

[wanton dawn]

Born leader is a bad talent maskering as a support talent

[topaz lance]

It is an upgrade that's true.

[winter pivot]

damn....cause I really like what they did with it on that Psyker mask.

[topaz lance]

Yeah, there's nothing like that. Zealot has one though.

[winter pivot]

which one is it for zealot?

[hexed gull]

do they have a full outfit for the armageddon steel legion or just the helmet?

[topaz lance]

Don't know the name, but it looks like a suns corona

[topaz lance]

2 full ones actually

[hexed gull]

pog

[tardy sentinel]

Any salvaging this or just scrap for thrust 4?

[winter pivot]

I mean...dunno what skills you wanna use with it, but you could go down the right side, to get attack speed and melee crit, keep the cri on that thing and just replace Take A Swing.

Or keep flak, replace the cri and Take A Swing for something else

don't think that thing has to be scrapped at all

[tardy sentinel]

I figured flak and thrust are useful, idk how to rebuild it. I was think maniac or unarmored and either rending strike or decimator.

[winter pivot]

I have no clue what perk you should go for on a shovel tbh but Decimator seems like a go-to as replacement for take a swing, yea

haven't tried them after the buffs. I'd say keep the crit for now, test it a bit, see what it could use a boost to. Like if it needs more dmg in hordes, go for that, etc

[tardy sentinel]

Is this in the same weapon group as the foldables?

I heard those are pretty good and could really use thrust 4...

[winter pivot]

yep, looks like they share blessings

[tardy sentinel]

I'll hold onto it for now I guess

[humble nova]

That's true for all weapon types across all your characters

[south spindle]

Change perks to 25% flak, 25% maniac, 120% weakspot damage from those two blessings

I have one like that, plays well

Spam push attacks + heavies

Could also go Flak/Infested if you want it to obliterate hordes

[pearl granite]

can vet make great use of shovel? and is this one good? 😄

[south spindle]

That one not so good

The shovel itself is, but not a great roll

[pearl granite]

the modifier stats are bad?

[umbral scaffold]

idm all or nothing, can be good if you mix a lot of shoves into combos

[south spindle]

Not terrible, but you'd want better perks and playing on low stam is kinda risky, you can do it if you feel comfortable an it'll perform well, but yeah

[pearl granite]

😢 okay, i'll try making another one

[terse idol]

You want a dump stat in mobility, and also decimator really makes the shovel good

[tiny summit]

Shovel is great. Smacks everything out of the way. But yea those blessings...no like

[versed merlin]

man new shovel with weapon specialist is insane

i can 1 shot any ragers with that special atk its so gooooood

[west minnow]

Hello, do you have a solution so that the plasmagun no longer has animation problems?

[trim hemlock]

That’s not a problem Veteran chat can resolve, I’m afraid

It’s on FS to fix it

[jade night]

Speaking of, this is my current vet melee arsenal. Which would you pick and why?

[sudden dome]

I didnt have issues until my last game where I was having lag issues and it happened 70% of the time, 100% of the time during lag spikes, so Im pretty sure its on connection issues

[south garnet]

which one you using, mk 3? I have a borderline-perfect mk 7 but I kind of dislike how slow the special is on it relative to the mk 3

[west minnow]

ok thx 😦

[serene sage]

antax because it's easy to use. you can turn your brain off of sort

[south spindle]

MKIII oneshots Ragers

[south garnet]

This is an issue on the server side - whatever FS did to fix the charge rate affecting damage bug is probably what gummed up how plasma is working at the moment

[south spindle]

Easy

[trim hemlock]

All of these are mostly fine, but I wouldn’t use the shovel and get rid of Crit rate on Chsword

[south garnet]

yep - as far as I can tell the damage on the special for the mk 3 and mk 7 are basically identical, but the mk 7 is sloooooooowwwww

[trim hemlock]

I’d probably use the Antax axe or the chainaxe for flavour

[jade night]

Funnily enough, that shovel is probably my favorite of the bunch. The Antax is my least used, and the chainaxe comes in right behind the shovel.

[south garnet]

hard to make a quick follow-up special if your first one doesn't nip them with the 7

[jade night]

I'm looking for a good decimator/impact shovel, just gotta focus my grind I guess.

[south garnet]

break the chains that bind you, ascend beyond the game fatshark has forced you to play - embrace shitty weapons, beat auric maels with them, realize that you were the weapon all along

[jade night]

Shovel's been my favorite vet melee since beta, I'm happy it got some love and the new mark.

[south garnet]

me, I'm trapped forever, a gambling addict. but you, you have the chance to escape

yea shovels are goddamn rad now. I knew things were looking up when they buffed heavies to have any point to actually use them whatsoever

[jade night]

embrace bonk

I was so happy plasmas got some love too, I've been using this fucker since before the rework and it's a completely different beast now.

[south garnet]

all that plasteel wasted by people chasing the 73% charge rate, perhaps even achieving it, only to have its benefit so coldly ripped from their weak, desperate fingers 😿

the dockets - so many dockets

[nimble sentinel]

que? they changed how it works?

[serene sage]

the whole thing was so stupid to me from the get go

[south garnet]

dey fix'd

[jade night]

fixed the charge rate, but added a ghost shot

[serene sage]

why would you spend so much efforts to chase something that works on a bug lmao

[south garnet]

yea now it works correctly, it just only works 3/4s of the time

[jade night]

lore accurate

[nimble sentinel]

ah, I lucked out randomly at a 64%, second best number!

[versed merlin]

7 and with weapon specialist buff, you should be able to one shot rager without going to the second animation of the special atk

literally the moment you bonk, it dies

[jade night]

I forgot the exact wording of the fix, but iirc it's all plasmas charge to the same point now before firing, but how quickly it charges that shot is the difference now.

[south garnet]

right? lmao. At least people building their trees to exploit bugs can just... change back once the bug gets squished. Blessings are at least slightly excusable too because at least in theory, you should be able to swap away once OP bugs get squished

[south garnet]

iiiiiiiinteresting, cool

[jade night]

I think I can hit oneshot crusher breakpoints with that, but I haven't rolled a good one yet

[versed merlin]

for reference, this is what my tree looks like. im not sure if this is the best, but its working wonders so far so im happy with it

running shred + survivalist

i dont like krak

[south garnet]

this is pretty close to what I run actually, although I usually don't bother with the rending node and I often pick up deadshot

I don't think I have krak on a single build anymore

lol

[jade night]

I waffle between these two

[versed merlin]

yeah krak feels so slow

[tardy sentinel]

Krak is strong but inconsistent and a bit niche.

[versed merlin]

its unreliable on auric imo

[jade notch]

Kraks should be used pre-emptively on Auric, yeah.

[nimble sentinel]

plenty reliable in auric, kraks are great! I say as I am now taking shredders with my pickaxe shovel taking over anti-carapace duties

[jade notch]

It's not something you whip out and delete a Crusher with in a panic

[south garnet]

yea, plus it's just like... WOW, two auto kills on bulwarks or crushers, MAYBE a couple of maulers grouped up if I'm lucky. Now time to talk it out with their 13 friends they brought along!

[jade night]

Auric, I use kraks to open an enounter typically. My main use for them is to confirm a crusher kill quickly, which my plasma stuggles to two tap, so I can use my time to focus on other responsibilities.

[south garnet]

Assuming I even have any on hand

[versed merlin]

i think rending is good for shovel and revolver since it got nerfed, but i wouldnt take deadshot as it might be overkill on rev, specially since weap specialist already gives 33% ranged crit chance

[unreal drum]

People have to learn to toss kraks and push shit together to get the fun kill spam.

[tiny summit]

Taking frags more as I forget to use my kraks because I'm bayonet charging the monstrosities more and more

[versed merlin]

legit

[south garnet]

Pretty fair assessment

[nimble sentinel]

2 for you and the other 13 are for the bozos you bring along on the 4 man squ—

wait nevermind you're right

[serene sage]

nah it is very reliable in Auric. everytime I throw Krak, the grenade opens a portal and my teammates from accross the map would teleport through and kill the target before the nade goes off.

you should try it. it's amazing

[versed merlin]

LMAO

[jade night]

Yeah, it's like running brainpop on psyker

[woeful ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Le0QlrxhiQ

so they hinted it early again

[jade night]

the moment that krak adheres, everyone on the map shoots it

[versed merlin]

ik that pain way too well

[woeful ibex]

Zola Special Missions

[south garnet]

HA fuck

[serene sage]

also we have Genestealers voice line now

[south garnet]

on point

[scenic bronze]

First comment is my exact thoughts

[serene sage]

hinting at a 👖🫰 invasion in Atoma

[woeful ibex]

its a bug

[serene sage]

that's a very disrespectful way of calling Zola

[woeful ibex]

I wonder what this is

[woeful ibex]

you can click it on the mission terminal

waited for 30 minutes and nothing happens

[oblique horizon]

Launches a special assassination mission against the twins

Most likely

Cause you can actually launch the mission itself with solo mod

[nimble sentinel]

lol get bent melk we're tougher than your alibaba goldy nerds

common Steel Legion W

[wary galleon]

and they say humans dont have powers ;)

[forest blaze]

literally more effective than highlighting

and only slightly more effective than psyker's brainburst

[serene sage]

i wont lie i shoot everything I want, i won't go out of my way to kill BB targets but I will shoot it as if I dont see the blue glow

[south garnet]

half the time I'll see someone start BB'ing something I'm already halfway done killing so it's like, whatever's wrong with you, not my problem. If you're desperate to pop random heads probably do it on people not in violation of my personal space

why people don't precharge more often is baffling to me

[serene sage]

can Boltgun oneshot Ragers without Precision Strike?

[south garnet]

the thing is that, especially on hi shock dam and similar with quick successive priority changes, a lot of the time psykers won't actually complete a BB anyway or they'll have missed what they were trying to target and have to re-lock. So if you leave a blue-haze target standing around for their benefit, there's a nonzero chance that threat doesn't get popped at all and you can do your surprised pikachu face when they ram their weapon up your ass while you're smelling the flowers

[hard cave]

follow veterans

on a scale of 1 to 10, how much do we love our orgyns

[feral lake]

They bestest boys

[torn needle]

Power sword my beloved

[feral lake]

I’m loving the new revolver

[ivory aurora]

10 if the Ogryn can count to at least 4. Around 5 if they can only count to 2

[tiny summit]

Seeing that 1 flak helmeted enemy live from 4 normal hits kinda hurts the soul. I'd use my power sword more if I had PC4. Right now though my antac with BM requires no setup to lop off those heads

[hard cave]

the lower they can count, the better