veteran-class

[gray belfry]

give veteran something like the stubba, i just wanna hipfire with an lmg

[timid gazelle]

Boxfed autogun not stubber, stubber be a steroided 50. cal

[brazen ether]

I don't mind hotshot lasguns out working other weapons
But fatshark probably cares more about balance or something

[placid portal]

Yes stubber m1 variant

[gray belfry]

if they did they wouldnt of released the kickback buff back in part 1 lmao

[placid portal]

Well they do in a sense

Now fire melts Hp faster than you could say "Buyers remorse"

[zealous wyvern]

i love new fire

[brazen ether]

Idk maybe make it so they have to stand still to use hotshot/backpack fed guns

[zealous wyvern]

fire is great

[brazen ether]

And not being able to dodge

[livid fractal]

what blessings do i want on Vraaks VII

[atomic zephyr]

not being able to dodge sounds like it would kill it

[timid gazelle]

Still hate zealots yoinking ammo

[brazen ether]

That'll be one of the ways to justify it having a damage output way outclassing other weapons

[timid gazelle]

"Yeah but i got pressurized"

like shut

[placid portal]

Surgical and Deadly accurate

Really nice pairing

[south garnet]

Wait so rending is based on the unarmored damage value?

[white minnow]

hmm seems like standing on fire disables the overshield protection against bursters and the like even if you have overshield

[placid portal]

Me using lasgun with the first magazine still attached

You gonna use that?

[hollow turtle]

Since people switching out to the quickdraw revolver, I've been reclaiming my spot for medium-long range security.
Ma! I'm relevant again!"

[gray belfry]

'me fan firing everything and taking ammo to keep the yeehaw vibe going'

[obtuse raft]

What do you mean by that?

[white minnow]

or maybe iron will stopped taking effect and I didn't notice the fire taking all of my overshield

[timid gazelle]

My man is making some hot takes

[south garnet]

So 20% rending on a weapon that does say 500 damage to unarmored but only 2 damage to carapace would then do 102 damage?

[placid portal]

Trust me helbore barrel gets hot on rapid fire

Now my gloves melted onto my hands

[white minnow]

if the weapon does 100% damage to unarmoured, then yeah those numbers would be correct

weapons have a base damage, and unarmoured counts as an armour type as well
so if the weapon deals 140% damage to Unarmoured, then those numbers will be off if you're using the damage to unarmoured as your baseline

[sudden dome]

how hard would it be for them to let us ping barrels like we do ammo and stims and the like? Right now we cant ever shoot them or warn people they were attacked

[south garnet]

Interesting, okay. Which I assume it would, barring notes under stopping power or etc.?

[sudden dome]

and I would like to shoot them to do the aoe

[white minnow]

it's a bit whacky since quite a few weapons do != 100% to unarmoured

[timid gazelle]

I am a melee veteran that puts zealots to shame

wouldn't know

since bayonets rule

[obtuse raft]

My understanding of how rending works is that it takes the rending % and applies it to whatever % damage that weapon does to the armor you are shooting.

So 80% vs flak with 20% rending would be base damage.

[placid portal]

Stopping power and Penetration affects only armored enemies iirc but stopping power improves impact for stagger as well

[white minnow]

at least for guns, it's pretty simple since the damage number on the weapon card usually indicates its base damage

[south garnet]

Curious. Difficult to tell without testing then unless unarmored is specifically noted somewhere ingame, or I guess if code is available

[white minnow]

unless the weapon's name has "infantry autogun" in its name

[placid portal]

[white minnow]

no wait

i'm getting it mixed up

the infantry autogun has the correct number on the card

just that if you inspect the damage value, it makes no sense

[zealous wyvern]

this chat scares me

i do not follow at all

[white minnow]

like ????

[south garnet]

Oh boy. Okay, interesting, thanks for the rundown Arcotash. So in theory, the weapon card value can be used for calculations

[timid gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/scares-me-i-fear-no-man-gif-21507033

[zealous wyvern]

so rending against crushers makes carapace perk useless?

lame

i mean not useless but

[obtuse raft]

If you have enough of it.

[zealous wyvern]

you get the point

[white minnow]

+damage to armour types is multiplicative

[south garnet]

Assuming it matches unarmored anyway

[placid portal]

This is same case for helbores vs carapace

[zealous wyvern]

i wish it used the carapace dmg and just gave it penetration

instead of unarmoured stuff

[placid portal]

Hmmm yes my 400 dmg is 13

[obtuse raft]

A lot of weapons have such shit base carapace modifiers that even a decent bit of rending only gets you to ok output

[timid gazelle]

Somehow my mods are all ded

[placid portal]

Unless crit

Lots of crit

[timid gazelle]

not big souprice

[south garnet]

What a procedure honestly lol. It's one thing to have automation but this is pretty buried

[zealous wyvern]

what did you do to gully

[white minnow]

intuit the weapon's characteristics through the morphogenetic field

[obtuse raft]

It's a lil hard to understand sometimes but I think all these different armor types and hit zones is actually better overall.
Armor types were a lot simpler in VT2 and it was over centralizing sometimes.

[white minnow]

it's even tougher for melee weapons, because the number on the weapon card only indicates the damage of the first attack of the light/heavy combos

[obtuse raft]

Like it was just x% vs armor

[placid portal]

Man the rager changes made them a tad frail

[white minnow]

so if there's an attack in the combo that has a different damage profile, you have to do some guesswork

[placid portal]

2k hp is not alot

[leaden void]

what is the caveman short tldr difference between the 2 revolvers?

[placid portal]

One shoot fast
One reload 1 shot at a time

[umbral garnet]

Just consecrated this. Thinking of changing the Sprint Efficiency perk. Blessings, though?

[leaden void]

otherwise same in dps?

[obtuse raft]

You can look at all of the different swings in the attack breakdown. If you click on them it pulls up the whole table for all armor types

[south garnet]

Yea this is like 6% off where it should be even assuming that inspect number is supposed to be post-calc which it obviously shouldn't be

??

[placid portal]

Nah different dps since standard has better dmg profile but yeehaw got the flair

[leaden void]

fuck, yeehaw got such a swagger though

[south garnet]

Tell me the secrets fatshark

[white minnow]

sure, but that doesn't tell you the base damage explicitly

[placid portal]

Agripinaa revolvo cant benefit from surgical if shooting too fast

[timid gazelle]

Finally 3 x 3 stamina

[placid portal]

And better to use standard if using surgical

[timid gazelle]

2 x 3 stam is great for the new revolver if used with deadshot ofcourse

[brazen ether]

I think handcannon gonna be real strong on this

[placid portal]

Ofc

[white minnow]

you can make a fairly educated guess and be right 90% of the time, but there's still some room for error

[leaden void]

ive done so many consecrations and keep getting the same 4 blessings

handcannon avoids me

😔

[obtuse raft]

Agri has much much better DPS because of it's higher rate of fire. But it's breakpoints are worse because of it's lower damage

[south garnet]

Well now I can anyway, as best as anyone can I guess ha. Thanks again for the breakdown

[placid portal]

When will it not be

[timid gazelle]

handsy schmancy

[obtuse raft]

Also the agri has less cleave which is relevant a surprisingly large amount of the time

[timid gazelle]

you just aim point shoot

[placid portal]

This this is the problem

[brazen ether]

Trick shooter is gonna be great on it

[leaden void]

waz cleave

[placid portal]

I have trouble killing flamers inside a party

[placid portal]

Penetration to hit more

[timid gazelle]

But gentleman.

[leaden void]

augh

[leaden void]

ok

[timid gazelle]

this tho

[placid portal]

A fine work

[umbral garnet]

Oh that's sexy

[placid portal]

Dont like wire stocks

Absolute pain in the ass when bracing

[hollow turtle]

Sheesh, been waiting forever for Melk to give me one of these blessings for chainsword.

[timid gazelle]

can do you one better

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-ballin-mars-bars-gif-19910027

[timid gazelle]

[placid portal]

Meh

[obtuse raft]

Cleave is the ability for attacks to punch through one enemy and still hit the ones after it.

[timid gazelle]

it was my first 380

[placid portal]

Unfortunate

[umbral garnet]

Hm. Could be worse.

[timid gazelle]

I preffer this

[gray belfry]

man the embeds are bad now lmao

[timid gazelle]

thas true dakka

[umbral garnet]

Help a lad out, though, will ya

Don't know if this sucks or not

Wanna maybe change the Sprint Efficiency.

[gray belfry]

people usually swear by flak/maniac since it covers a majority of the big thigns you wanna kill fast

[frank ether]

its bad

[hollow turtle]

The blessings ain't good.

[gray belfry]

the blessings though are rough

[umbral garnet]

Yeah, it's what I'm thinkinh

[frank ether]

base stats arent great either

[umbral garnet]

We love RNG

[frank ether]

you dont need stability on helbore you need stopping power

[gray belfry]

praise be to hadron

[umbral garnet]

Did not even look at stopping power 💀

[nova bane]

Has anyone had a chance to experiment much with the new chainsword? How different does it play?

[umbral garnet]

Damn right you are

[placid portal]

You need reset blessings

[frank ether]

get one with stopping/damage above at least 75

[south garnet]

I'm wacky about RNG, love it. My grandma died loving it and so will I

[hollow turtle]

It's okay. You'll get there.

[umbral garnet]

FUCKER

[timid gazelle]

hehe

Melee vet go brrrrr

[hollow turtle]

At least you're not waiting for Power Cycler IV.
(Well.. Actually you probably are. )

[placid portal]

Nice but mine has flak bc I alreqdy 1 shot reapers with focus

[celest vine]

The

[frank ether]

yeah its joever anyways dw and start over

[gray belfry]

lmao

[timid gazelle]

[umbral garnet]

So joever

[celest vine]

Dave

[hollow turtle]

Lol you know what would be a funny 'flex' to all the new vets? Everyone just starts posting their power swords with PC4

[umbral garnet]

😭

I only have 3

[celest vine]

💪💪💪💪

[timid gazelle]

its time for the funny

[hollow turtle]

Dat plasteel

[umbral garnet]

Always the fucking plasteel.

[placid portal]

I founf pc4 on a mk3 powersword

[gray belfry]

waiting for the update that makes diamantine relevant

[hollow turtle]

Wanna borrow?

[placid portal]

Impossibru

[scenic lance]

Wait how did I get this outfit, anyone know?

[gray belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-why-pepe-pepehands-crying-gif-12683546

[placid portal]

You played on release

[celest vine]

This is my best weapin

[junior needle]

The pinning fire nerf from way back when reduced its effectiveness considerably across a wide variety of targets. It's still good against maniacs, but it's not even the best there, and its overall performance is clearly inferior to other guns.

It takes more than good damage to one type for a good weapon.

[scenic lance]

Oh, did they give me my aquila too

[hollow turtle]

It was a gift from FS. Payment to PC community for giving xbox community aquilas on release while we got nothing.

[placid portal]

No

[gray belfry]

part of the 'sowwy we gave $40 of aquillas to new console pwayers'

[placid portal]

Nah cosmetics only

[scenic lance]

Ah I think I'd prefer 40 dollars of aquillas

[toxic leaf]

nice, always love loading into a game just as the knife zealot runs ahead ot aggro the dh and then leave

what a griefer

[placid portal]

[gray belfry]

the more thigns change the more they stay the same

[placid portal]

What kind of ppl do you match with

[toxic leaf]

i hit the qp and let it ride

[hollow turtle]

Had that once, and we killed the DH no problem.

[junior needle]

Oh whoops, wrong video. This is the one.

[toxic leaf]

we probably could have won, but the guy left immediately

i think it was a griefer!

[gray belfry]

bah i dont wanna work, i wanna stay home and yeehaw heretics or, and im yelling at my friend for this, forkknife'

[gray belfry]

only way to go. sometimes you get a mess sometimes youg et the cleanest run known to the god emperor

[umbral garnet]

This is my highest rated weapon.

[stiff surge]

Melk, why.

[umbral garnet]

Just feel sad it's a Devil's claw.

[placid portal]

Gimmie melk bucks for gatcha

[leaden void]

augh went into damnation forgetting skill trees were reset

[frank ether]

man this is the second cable I killed playing darktide

[leaden void]

[hollow turtle]

Knife zealots have made me need to differentiate between "good" and "skilled"—Good if they stick with team and can hold themselves well. Skilled if they're annoying little shits that abandon the team to speedrun and survive on their own.

[frank ether]

maybe its finally time

to cave in and buy a wireless rat

[hollow turtle]

You want to buy a Skaven without a clan?

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-pusfume-sad-gif-24596864

[gray belfry]

pusfume my tolerated

[frank ether]

this rat doesnt look very ideal for claw grip, pls different shape

[astral blade]

I can’t take this shit seriously

[gray belfry]

[placid portal]

Knife gunners in the back pick off roaming specials and shooters regroup
All in 10 seconds

[astral blade]

I mean read this shit and tell me y’all thoughts

[frank ether]

bruh

vet is fine now

[hollow turtle]

Lol no skill player posting clearly.

[gray belfry]

i mean maybe keep the turret idea, but give it to a skitarri class

[placid portal]

Sentry goin up

[umbral garnet]

Is this fucking risk of rain all of a sudden

[hollow turtle]

He needs minions to make up for his crap ability.

[placid portal]

Mini vet summon...
RATLING SNOIPA SUPPORT

[astral blade]

Not even my fucking post just found this crap in the darktide group that I’m in on fb

[placid portal]

Ah fb

[frank ether]

here is your mistake

your on fb

[placid portal]

Just close it

[flat pebble]

“if not for the first time” brain worms

[gusty bison]

Kek

[placid portal]

Man som ppl get their info from a cereal box for darktide

[gray belfry]

people are mad sometimes.

[placid portal]

[atomic zephyr]

me watching the other vet jump directly on top of the daemonhost i just marked
in auric damnation btw

[south garnet]

Brilliant

[gray belfry]

peopel wanting 2 guns meanwhile i play ogryn with shovel and rock and ignore my gun for like 90% of the mission

[alpine bear]

I just want to have a pistol backup

For my

Hellgun

[junior needle]

Minions would be dank honestly, I was hoping the squad leader tree/subclass would have them

[frank ether]

I have minions

it just so happens

they are my teammate ogryns

I spot something and they make it disappear

[flat pebble]

i was playing vet with 3 ogryn yesterday and i felt so safe

[gray belfry]

'its wild, i mark a target then 2 seconds later i see 3 rocks go in that area and suddenly the mark is gone'

[flat pebble]

then one blundered straight through a known demonhost unforced and we lost immediately

[astral blade]

Damn that’s funny

[south garnet]

Though apparently there was code found that indicated abilities linked to AI henchmen of some variety. Whether or not that is indicative of anything we will ever actually see, probably not

[gray belfry]

ogryn moment.

just lore accurate dw about it

[molten kettle]

Anyone got advice for getting On Overwatch? I'm pulling my hair out trying to get the penance. xD

[alpine bear]

Accept that it's basically RNG

[flat pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/cheese-food-gif-5113834195819307982

[languid stump]

Just found out that if you try to use a health stim while at full health you do this

[gray belfry]

get it back when vet had the stand still to significantly reduce threat? fr though idk

[astral blade]

I hate saying skill issue but only fuck that is a massive skill issue

[frank ether]

''see that sniper?''
''yes sah?''
''I don't want to''

[gray belfry]

never a bad game when you have an ogryn in the team. 2-3 its a party

[placid portal]

Unless ogryn do not have bone ed and lied

[alpine bear]

I wish I got the penance in an achievable way. It was literally three psyker chads carrying my ass

[frank ether]

Usually a good idea to bring a gun with penetration though ^^

[flat pebble]

bone ED

many older ogryn experience it

[gray belfry]

thatd be your job. or just go with accuracy through volume. whatever works

idk man i play destiny with sweet business in pvp i am not qualified for it

[frank ether]

nah its just that I'll be shooting targets through the ogryns bodyblocking me lol

[south garnet]

Vets are for cleaning ogryns bib when he's done eating

[languid stump]

I feel like they made the bayonet stab on the Lucius lasgun more powerful

[placid portal]

Nah Im just the mess chef

[frank ether]

that was a few patches ago

[flat pebble]

that’s because they did

[languid stump]

Really? I didn’t notice

[placid portal]

Ye

[frank ether]

they also spared brutal momentum

[languid stump]

Probably because I haven’t played sniper in a while

[frank ether]

someone in the dev team

had mercy on me

they know my kind is going extinct

fatshark giveth

they did gut the limbsplitter interaction though, that was too stupid

[atomic zephyr]

plasma twin just gassed me into a flamer and bomber stack :(

[languid stump]

What does celerity stimm even do? I think it just makes the world blue

[dusk idol]

if they let me have the agri volver and another rifle

[atomic zephyr]

celerity increases attack speed and move speed?

[dusk idol]

i'd take it all the damn time

[south garnet]

Celery stim makes you go fast

[tardy turtle]

[languid stump]

I can’t see through the blue haze

[gray belfry]

had the twin who goes full sandevistan earlier.

[dusk idol]

more attk speed and reload speed

[languid stump]

It’s like somebody hotboxed a bottle of macragge blue whenever I take it

[south garnet]

Celery is famously the quickest fibrous green

[dusk idol]

plasma gunners and psyker staves go faster too iirc

[flat pebble]

“Celerity Stimm
Lasts 15 seconds.
Increase in Reload Speed 15%.
Reduction in Stamina Costs -25% for Pushing, Blocking, -50% for sprinting.
Increases Attack Speed by 20%.
Increase the following by 25%:
Charge up time of Plasma guns, Psyker’s Brain Burst and Psyker Staves.
The speed of which the Psyker’s Smite propagates between enemies.
Speed of which the Psyker can throw Shards using Assail.
Speed of which the Psyker Quells their Peril.

its bugged accoring to ppl here and it increases the charge rate/peril instead of decreasing it”

[unreal bone]

Soemone should pin this

[placid portal]

Mmmm yummy stims

[gray belfry]

mm yes the speed pots are back

[junior needle]

I agree, I shamelessly took it off reddit

It's very helpful

[placid portal]

[dusk idol]

everytime i get a stimm that's not a med stimm i just stab it into the nearest ally

[placid portal]

Lmao

[dusk idol]

actually i do that with med stimms too

[languid stump]

Bruh

[gray belfry]

give me the ability one. i wish to scream a bunch

[placid portal]

I like tossing med stims to teammates

[sharp ember]

have they seen it actually do that, or commenting about the way it is written?

[south garnet]

Based field medicine researcher

[flat pebble]

no idea

[astral blade]

Ugh lord have mercy

[placid portal]

Med stim is hella nice

[frank ether]

It would be pretty rad if I could pay like a large sum of plasteel/diamantine to make a red item where the only difference is its now free to swap perk/blessings as much as you want, kinda like a gw2 legendary weapon

[dusk idol]

if you run 2 wounds and go down it's basically half hp back

its great

[placid portal]

Free medicae for a 2 wound vet

[frank ether]

Feel like at this point crafting is the biggest issue with the game

[gray belfry]

waiting for red weapons that have max stats and free swaps

[astral blade]

Y’all remember the picture that I posted earlier

[dusk idol]

crafting and story to a lesser degree

[gray belfry]

but cost like 10k plasteel/diamantine to make

[astral blade]

Well got a response back after the comment I made

[dusk idol]

but the gameplay feels incredible

[placid portal]

Story is building up rn

Crafting needs some work

[gray belfry]

only took a year lmao

[frank ether]

I dont think weapons need more stats just make it a QoL thing when you upgrade instead

[dusk idol]

the new map is really nice

[languid stump]

The three different types of veterans

[dusk idol]

breaking shit is my favourite

[gray belfry]

im just saying it since thats how reds worked in vt2, whatever youd respec itd always be the max value

[gray belfry]

yeah pretty much.

[south garnet]

I bet it will be max potential stats and only one locked blessing/perk instead of two lol

[flat pebble]

couldn’t start it before we looped in xbox players i guess

[placid portal]

Ay man better than little to no impact side stories season like Destiney

[south garnet]

Engagement!

[placid portal]

Based

[gray belfry]

oh im talking the things before perks and blessings. so 80% across the board

[gray belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/piddel-piddel-meme-piddel-gaming-piddel-pain-pain-gif-26176777

[south garnet]

Oh right, yea that for sure

[flat pebble]

that’s not fair, some seasons 1 interesting thing occurs

[placid portal]

Aint gonna buy d2 again

[junior needle]

They had to thoroughly beta test the game first

[gray belfry]

fatshark special. was the same for vt1-2 though so cant complain too much

[dusk idol]

game came out of beta ages ago

like.... patch 15

[frank ether]

yea well, I'd honestly rather pay for map dlcs than to deal with this crafting roulette

[gray belfry]

god i hope it gets an update soon its fucking rough atm

[mystic belfry]

Yeah...

[frank ether]

and the people who go off about how ''you dont need upgrades'' are the worst

I just wanna try fun combinations

[placid portal]

Like as far I can tell
Saint 14 came back but becomes shaxx for trials
Crow is alive and forgiven
More witchcraft fuckery

[gray belfry]

rivens back now

[placid portal]

Ah

[dusk idol]

i just want crucian roulette 4 on a revolver that isn't penetration dumped

😭

[languid stump]

Dunno what you’re talking about. 40k tabletop game also involves rolling dice all the time so this system is lore accurate

[frank ether]

true true

[south garnet]

The longtime fatshark playerbase has a mild form of stockholm

[mystic belfry]

:)

[placid portal]

Rolling on 1s and fails anyway

[flat pebble]

recently - rasputin came back and died forever and now eris turned into a hive god, resurrected savathun and then killed her and stole her sword logic magic

[languid stump]

What’s

[south garnet]

Plant your feet and draw pardner

[flat pebble]

of course that stuff only happens at the very end of 15 week boring season

[gray belfry]

friend of mine waited a year before buying because of how vt2 went

[languid stump]

Huh

[mystic belfry]

Exactly

[south garnet]

Smart dude

Or lady

[gray belfry]

its a goddamn 188 day season atm because of the delay. letsago......im in pain

[frank ether]

smart

[languid stump]

I only bought it when it came out on Xbox because i don’t own a computer

[flat pebble]

it’s rough out here but at least i got the new dungeon exotic

[frank ether]

Would also be smart for darktide btw

waiting a year

[languid stump]

Let’s all thank fatshark for not trying to shoehorn in a battle pass

[flat pebble]

( it’s fine)

[gray belfry]

wishi was. bought it 3 days after release because i was keen on it.

[placid portal]

Godbless

[safe vector]

Quick question. Does headtaker activate with each tick of the chainaxe's special?

[flat pebble]

yeah what’s up

[gray belfry]

0/6 atm. trying to do my solo run atm but keep dying to dumb shit

[languid stump]

What the hell even is any of that

[placid portal]

No unfortunately

[frank ether]

they dont need fomo battlepass when the shop itself is fomo rotation

[safe vector]

[frank ether]

tho I agree bp is even worse

stuff is gone forever

[placid portal]

But shovel special pick hit counts as 2 hits

[languid stump]

No, you can still scroll to the right and access everything

[placid portal]

[flat pebble]

this one seems rough to solo because of the blight eye placement on the first encounter during cages and the time you get to burst the final boss

[mystic belfry]

Welp, time to go out and get some plasteel to make a new shovel

[flat pebble]

destiny 2 recent story beats

[gray belfry]

wish more games did the halo infinite bp system. buy into whatever one you want, they stay around after done

[south garnet]

I pre-ordered it during whatever the pre beta beta was called lmao, fuck what a fool. I had been sold that crafting and weapon mods would be launch day features.
Imagine my surprise. Surely there must be some mistake I thought

[dusk idol]

i feel for you

[frank ether]

everything as in, the latest 2-3 something in the rotation? lmao

thats in fact not everything

[languid stump]

Yeah

[gray belfry]

keep wanting to check out infinite more and more. but something stops me

[flat pebble]

common sense

[frank ether]

^

[gray belfry]

lmao

even with the changes its that bad?

[frank ether]

infinite was such a dumpster fire

[languid stump]

Anyway idk what you guys are talking about with aquilas and shit

[frank ether]

honestly Idk

[alpine bear]

It's alright now

[frank ether]

I had the worst fkin first impression

[languid stump]

I had to grind for this look

[gray belfry]

i played it a bit during the early multiplayer launch then stopped because other games came around

[alpine bear]

Like, the new firefight mode is fun

[flat pebble]

idk i just think that game has just been insane with many design choices since the start and have no idea if it’s even gotten better

[alpine bear]

It's just that it took so long for us to get here

[frank ether]

game ran horrible, server issues, disconnects, crashes, aim assist incredibly overtuned, gunplay shallow and no headshots on shields etc etc

[astral blade]

Just to prove this shit is real

[frank ether]

I heard they ''solved'' aim assist complaints and dying pc playerbase by adding aim assist to mouse input lmao

[flat pebble]

pros using controllers instead of mnk was certainly telling

[languid stump]

Bro wants to play team fortress 2

[flat pebble]

that aim assist lol

[frank ether]

It was obvious from day fucking one

problem is

halo core audience are

creatures

that peaked as human beings back when halo 3 was hot

[gray belfry]

shame too, the multiplayer was dope as fuck

[south garnet]

It's true and I did

[astral blade]

Fucking hell man some people in darktide are just hella bad

[flat pebble]

anyone that’s still a dedicated halo fan 83% chance they’re not wearing deodorant and likes rooster teeth still

[astral blade]

At this game

[south garnet]

On the other hand I still haven't played anything past odst

[languid stump]

Why not just bring a whole fucking regiment while we’re at it?

[gray belfry]

i remember playing halo 2 in the university library instead of....studying

[frank ether]

so tldr is bad port and forced crossplay killed any chance of infinite having a pc audience

[languid stump]

On Xbox?

[gray belfry]

yeah they had one just sitting there

[frank ether]

a lot of people say lack of content but mfs are still playing dust 2 after uh... two decades?

good content doesnt age like milk

[gray belfry]

anyways i gotta go to the wage cage, have fun

[flat pebble]

original star wars battlefront games confirmed this

[ebon umbra]

pc players have been doodoo too

i should pay more attention but premerge was still sus

[forest scaffold]

well I suppose I shouldn't've expected anything else

never hurts less though

[ebon umbra]

oh y'all

full auto mod fan the hammer

[flat pebble]

just play hard to get now “your mobility was bad i never wanted you anyway”

[frank ether]

I never had an xbox so I stopped past halo 2

[flat pebble]

assert dominance over the brick

[south garnet]

Yea I played on my buddies

[frank ether]

I mainly played them for campaigns on pc anyways as a kid

[forest scaffold]

oh well, at least I have this to still a normal revolver to use while grinding plasteelio

[south garnet]

Later got whatever the next one was for myself, 360

[frank ether]

I remember installing vista to play halo 2 lmao

not my proudest decision

[fading grove]

That moment when you're digging into the stats of a Devil's Claw and realize it's pretty good. And then the store resets.

[frank ether]

god thinking of vista makes me feel old

some day some zoomer will remember windows 11 like this

[ancient path]

knife vet is kinda weird

i feel like i have no horde clear but im always very high on damage

is it? i thought thatll be devils claw

parry is kinda dumb

parrying two crushers swinging at me is funny

true

i just kinda need a better knoife.

[frank ether]

I dont have enough experience using knives to talk about it but mobility do be very high

[forest scaffold]

Fishing for 1% of 1% upgrades does a number to your reserves

[frank ether]

yea

knife melts crusher

well the old one does

Idk about new knife

dont have a good roll

[forest scaffold]

naw, ordos are bitch made.

[forest scaffold]

I spam aurics all day long when I play

the dockets aren't hard

[south garnet]

I honestly remember Vista very little outside a couple things that pissed me off about it, last distribution I remember was xp followed by 98, not counting linux/Unix or whatever apple has, macos or whatever it was on those transparent piece of shit all in one's for video editing

[forest scaffold]

its getting that delicious 880 plasteel per match that sucks.

[finite imp]

WOAH

DID THEY TWEAK THE AUTOGUNS

[ancient path]

though i should swap unarmored.

duno why i have it

[ancient path]

a couple of patches ago

[frank ether]

how do you even grind that much ordo

[finite imp]

my CIAG feels totally different

way less recoil

[ancient path]

ye. auto guns got buffed

[lofty lintel]

would be using the recon lasgun trolling with its current state

[forest scaffold]

this shit is fucking hilarious with power sword

I highly suggest taking this+blue stim

and reveling in infinite melee dps

I should really start saving up materials

just to shit em out on hmm

What do I want?

[ancient path]

should i even have lacerate with bleed perc? i should prob go uncanny strike

[fleet garden]

hows vet now boys

[forest scaffold]

Mk19 shovel on ogryn

Fan Revolver on veteran

Mk15 Eviscerator on zealot

[ancient path]

really good

[tardy turtle]

I use a very similar build with mkIII. The farm for PC IV continues however

[forest scaffold]

assume 20,000 plasteel per, so about 60k?

Sadge

[fleet garden]

is the revolver the new hot shit

[forest scaffold]

I got really lucky when PC3 dropped/released

I found it in milkshop(PC3)

then rolled PC4 the next day at hadron

[tardy turtle]

Kinda lol.

[west lantern]

King.

[forest scaffold]

I do hate how good power sword is though

I guess its balanced out by veteran being squishier than a pair of testicles

[lofty lintel]

where is that dmg coming from holy shit

[forest scaffold]

You get touched once and boom pancake mode

[fleet garden]

pretty much done with sod for now so its for darktide again

[tardy turtle]

Tanky if you play the correct pug builds

[west lantern]

This, my vet bleed knife build is in serious contention to be better than my zealot build.

[lofty lintel]

how do u get that overtoughness?

do u mean the one from voc?

[fleet garden]

are the sappers any good

[forest scaffold]

something like this I'd imagine

Its definitely using all three red nodes

I just dunno how its getting there

[south garnet]

It's more fun and newer thus better and old revolver is dirty old relic for hospice patients. Checkmate

[fleet garden]

hows the new chainsword

[forest scaffold]

Vet falls apart as soon as you go under 75% toughness

[west lantern]

I wouldn't disagree. I main zealot for the ults -- but -- vet is really good. For auric dam I think vet is hands down a better choice.

[forest scaffold]

and that's just a fact of life

[atomic zephyr]

im liking the new chainsword

[fleet garden]

nice, good to hear

[forest scaffold]

The best way to play vet is to not get touchy pooed

[fleet garden]

SoD was fun but need me some darktide

[atomic zephyr]

me playing melee vet:

[forest scaffold]

And use your toughness damage reduction against ranged enemies

[frank ether]

nah you need focus mark for that kind of boss melting, also for revolver the flat %10 rending gonna outdo onslaught aswell as being next to bring it down %20 monstro damage

[south garnet]

I just dodge

[forest scaffold]

I dunno, it doesn't feel super high skill ceiling

I'm just not allowed to be touched

See

that's the thing

I could take 700 damage on Ogryn and Zealot and sleep through it

[south garnet]

That's 1 damage, 700 times!

[fleet garden]

any worthwhile changes for range weps

[forest scaffold]

In fact I regularly take 3x that

[carmine gulch]

man I need to know those blessings lol

[forest scaffold]

Veteran is All Cannon, All Glass

Which is fine.

[frank ether]

I regularly see ogryns take like 2k through a mission and not die

[forest scaffold]

I just need to readjust to it.

[west lantern]

It's really strong, the shout is way faster than zealot for overshield. And you can work out more damnation 1 shot kill points.

[forest scaffold]

New vet tree is pog

he's just uh

super fuckin soft

[carmine gulch]

How are the blessings for this one?

[desert isle]

champ what is your tree for that ridiculous damage

[fleet garden]

dont you want rending?

[carmine gulch]

I got this from Melk lol.

[forest scaffold]

I mean, in a perfect world:

Exhilirating Takedown, Confirmed Kill, Unwavering Focus, Close Order Drill, Voice of Command, and Ironwill all make getting below 75% toughness fairly hard.

But once you do, RIP

And oh look

[desert isle]

wdym?

[forest scaffold]

new fire nades

[distant scarab]

Does anybody actually take "Competitive Edge?"

[forest scaffold]

Its a solid damage bonus throughout the course of the match

[quartz rose]

That and revolvers. It's like the wild west out here

[forest scaffold]

when you realize there's 2200-2800 enemies per match

Is it longer than 8 seconds

[fleet garden]

so no nerfs for my gun, nice

[fleet garden]

wdym just get pc4

[frank ether]

what is the point of an unreliable damage source

[forest scaffold]

Also, and will probably be my last point on this: If your response to 700 damage taken is "Yikes", the class is fundamentally not tanky.

[frank ether]

you either hit breakpoints against basic enemies or you dont

[fleet garden]

I dont play vet to melee 100% of the time though

[frank ether]

I dont understand competitive urge and I never will

[lofty lintel]

from VOC?

[forest scaffold]

Toughness tanky sure. The trick is to make sure its always up so funny shit from maulers and crushers windmilling you don't obliterate you

Have

Have you tried regenerating 598% toughness without reloading 🤔

[frank ether]

he plays solo his entire perspective is based on that

[toxic leaf]

what do with this shovel

[fleet garden]

must roll me a good new chainsword or sapper and compare them with a mk6 /w ps4

[fleet garden]

reroll perks?

[sharp ember]

i decided to see how long i could stand in fire with Iron Will + 50% toughness resistance from Infiltrate ult
i almost fucking died at the 3rd second

[forest scaffold]

I dunno. There's something to be said about going "yikes" to 700 damage taken. That's not really the class being tanky. At least not in the traditional sense.

[sharp ember]

i'm enjoying new chaxe a lot though, it rips flak like wet tissue paper

even on lights

[forest scaffold]

ogryn can take literally everything to the face

and shrug it off

[frank ether]

because vet is not tanky outside of VoC spam situations, its not meant to be tanky either.

[forest scaffold]

But as soon as people start doing HP damage to vet, its joever

[unreal bone]

Has this been pinned yet?

[frank ether]

700 damage is a little ''yikes'' on vet cause it implies you're really having a bad time

[sharp ember]

<@&735928989146939404> can we get a pin of this please?

[forest scaffold]

I roll face across keyboard, kill things. I'll adapt to vet's new situation eventually.

[frank ether]

meanwhile oggy can take 2k in a mission and not die once while facerolling

[forest scaffold]

Naw

[unreal bone]

Why do people dislike the low rof recon lasgun the most?

[forest scaffold]

Feel No Pain + Point Blank Barrage is pretty fuckin dumb

[unreal bone]

the MKVIIa

[frank ether]

its easier to adapt with VoC or infiltrate than with executioner

[forest scaffold]

Oh, I'm using VoC

[unreal bone]

What is so wrong with this variant of the lasgun?

[frank ether]

executioner while great, it demands good positioning and knowledge of what you can get away with

[unreal bone]

People dog on Recon, but when you talk about the Recon Mk VIIa they REALLY dog on you.

[forest scaffold]

• revolver and power sword

[unreal bone]

Is the VIIa worse in some way?

[sharp ember]

we don't the mk2 is the one we hate the most

mk7 has a few redeeming qualities

[gusty bison]

Like not being the mk 2

[sharp ember]

it has +1 cleave mass, somewhat better armor damage modifiers, uhh that's about it

[unreal bone]

I was talking about using the Mk VIIa a few days ago and everyone was rofling at me for wanting to use the Mk VIIa and they said I should pick one with a higher rof atleast.

🤷‍♂️

[gusty bison]

Tbf the VId is the best of the 3

[eternal venture]

I prefer infil over exe for aggressive sniping anyway

[sharp ember]

mk6 is definitely better for Onslaught rending playstyles, which is probably the best way to use a recon

but if you weren't using Onslaught, the mk7 opens up as a choice

[forest scaffold]

on

[zealous wyvern]

i cannot read the speed one sadly but still the others are good to know

[forest scaffold]

Power Sword?

🤔

[timid otter]

Im pretty sure melee dmg would be wasted with the way i play vet

I think i reached like 900k damage on vet with the last game i played?

[forest scaffold]

I already oneshot everything, and three shot crushers/2 shot maulers. I dunno maybe it does something for ragers.

[timid otter]

and that was with 50k of that being melee

[frank ether]

I'd consider taking the bottom perk for weapon specialist the one that gives toughness personally

[unreal bone]

Like I have this almost triple 80 recon @formal lake

Is it bad or okay-ish?

[south garnet]

Screw pins, can one of the mods please force fatshark to put these shorthand names in the game itself

[wispy oyster]

until they get buffed I'll rofl at you for using any of the models

[forest scaffold]

This is one of those cases where I just don't see the point because power sword already obliterates everything.

[gusty bison]

80% collateral.

Brick

:P

[unreal bone]

why?

[gusty bison]

In all seriousness u want collat as low as possible

[sharp ember]

shorthand?

[gusty bison]

Collat is a bad stat

[sharp ember]

oh

i see lol

[unreal bone]

So collat is the dump stat on recons..?

[gusty bison]

Its not just dump

[forest scaffold]

This is true for ogryn weapons

[gusty bison]

Its actively detrimental

[forest scaffold]

it is not true on recon lasguns

[zealous wyvern]

why is collateral bad on recon?

[south garnet]

Health/ability/power/speed lol

[forest scaffold]

watching dreg stalkers run away from you is infuriating

[mystic belfry]

First round with a proper fanfire roll

[forest scaffold]

same with elite machine gunners

collat at least keeps them pinned in place

[sharp ember]

I wish the speed stim gave a discount to deadshot, that'd be hilarious

[gusty bison]

Collateral is what causes enemies to flinch and stagger

[forest scaffold]

its just ogryn that bowls enemies over with collat

[umbral scaffold]

Does flechette on shotguns only exist up to T2?

[frank ether]

agile engagement was great on helbore

[gusty bison]

So at higher collaterals they stagger before you can laser beam them

[frank ether]

Idk if it still procs it or not

[lofty summit]

ye

[frank ether]

but it does help me hit some breakpoints

[sharp ember]

yes, it only exists as t2

[south garnet]

I tested it with deadshot, it does seem to cost less unless I'm crazy

[gusty bison]

The best collat stat is 0% for recon

[umbral scaffold]

Cheers

[forest scaffold]

No, agile totally makes sense

But i thought you meant just go for the 10% melee node

[umbral scaffold]

Time to get silly

[forest scaffold]

I'm over here like "But why"

[frank ether]

Isnt it %15

[mystic belfry]

I mean, I'd go for just the 10% melee if that's all I could get.

[sharp ember]

maybe, i didnt notice much in a practical match

[unreal bone]

Imagine if you crit on the alt fire

[wispy oyster]

Only 3 shot crushers with the mkVI psword?

[unreal bone]

bleeding fire rounds

[umbral scaffold]

That's the plan

[civic bay]

I was considering just dropping Scattershot and using Weapon Specialist for the crit

but then you can't do multiple rapid shots into mixed hordes

[south garnet]

I've used a stim only like twice in real games so far, I only screwed around in psykanium

[mystic belfry]

it probably isn't that it costs less, and more than you're not ADSing as long before your mag is dumped

[civic bay]

also one possible trick with Kantrael is getting 5 stacks of Scattershot with the special round then using the 50% boosted crit on a normal shot into a beefy target

[south garnet]

Could be, fair point

[mystic belfry]

I thought the same when I tested at first

[umbral scaffold]

Wait wtf have they done to my helmet

[south garnet]

That would make sense

[mystic belfry]

The best way to test would be to time how long just holding ADS takes to empty your stam

[sharp ember]

I need players to use their stims more instead of hoarding and dying with them, even healing ones

[zealous wyvern]

HUH

[mystic belfry]

I don't have a good method to test that accuratly outside of a phone stopwatch though

[zealous wyvern]

they changed it?

[unreal bone]

Nothing lol

[mystic belfry]

I use them a lot tbh

[unreal bone]

They did nothing to the pot helmet

[umbral scaffold]

Buh-buh?

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, its an acceptable breakpoint for me. If I'm particularly worried, I can shoot them once with revolver and make it a two shot

[south garnet]

I'm sure people will grow into them given time

[civic bay]

you can use stimms on players if they're not using them

[mystic belfry]

People doing the same shit as average VT2 players and holding their pots forever is annoying

[unreal bone]

Turn your for_the_drip off

[forest scaffold]

I forget

[lofty lintel]

what gun to use on a melee vet build??

[forest scaffold]

Too new

no muscle memory

[zealous wyvern]

i could swear it did not look like this

[civic bay]

just slap on a revolver and call it a day imo

[sharp ember]

they also need to add a notification for when players give you items tbh

[lofty lintel]

thats what i was thinking

[unreal bone]

This is how the Armageddon helmet has always and will always look.

[mystic belfry]

The game I just had I watched three teammates hold ther stims through a crusher and rager mob spawn mid horde

[sharp ember]

revolvers, heavy laspistol

[lofty lintel]

makes sense, thanks

[sharp ember]

plasma too yeah

[civic bay]

pocket big boy removal

[mystic belfry]

Like when the fuck do you think that stim will help more

[distant scarab]

Either Revolver. Plasma. Boltgun.

[umbral scaffold]

That's strange since I'm not using any colour/material changes

[zealous wyvern]

weeeeeird

[mystic belfry]

Also, Shout aura + ult stim is the good shit.

[lofty lintel]

bolter feels so weak compared to plasma

[wispy oyster]

the heavy heavy laspistol?

[lofty lintel]

what keystone would that be

[frank ether]

thats because plasma is kinda busted

[civic bay]

the right side one lol

[mystic belfry]

Weapon specialist

[lofty lintel]

oh bet

[frank ether]

bolter is also not amazing either

[civic bay]

You need to take the node just below it for the reload as well

[sharp ember]

oh yeah, can't wait for the light heavy laspistol with full auto

[serene sage]

assassination target no longer breaks shield

[frank ether]

could use a little love in magazine capacity / reserve imo

[sharp ember]

maybe a burst trigger

[mystic belfry]

I prefer the new revolver over the old one tbh. The old one is still really really good though

[distant scarab]

Plasma is amazing... ... you just need to mind your ammo management or pay the cost to take Scavenger

[civic bay]

it's 3% ammo per stack but it rounds up so the Revolver still gets 1 ammo back

[umbral scaffold]

Give me the inferno pistol

[mystic belfry]

Speaking of inferno

Grenaders are fucking terrifying right now

[zealous wyvern]

bolter is trash now

[amber cliff]

what would one want on the new knife

[frank ether]

bolter now works like a sniper weapon

[civic bay]

all fire is

[frank ether]

you go for surgical crits

[mystic belfry]

Like jesus christ they made them worse than instantly stripping toughness

[civic bay]

die in 1-2 seconds flat...

[zealous wyvern]

i still use it but it feels quite mediocre

[amber cliff]

its a glitch

[fair raft]

Is Make Every Shot Count still broken? I just did it with the shotgun but didn't unlock the penance

[civic bay]

hopefully the hotfix comes soon

[amber cliff]

they already said it will be fixed next hot patch

[umbral scaffold]

Hit registration probably cucked you

[distant scarab]

I feel like a Meltagun will be a Blitz ability for a Mechanicus adept if we ever see one...

[zealous wyvern]

did you hit the assassination target shield?

[wispy oyster]

like a worse revolver then

[forest scaffold]

Tossup for me if I want exhi takedown or on your toes. For now I'm settling on the damage reduction from exhi takedown as higher priority. I have infinite magazine capacity with revolver anyway with a little bit of micro if I remember to keep up with it.(so shooting shit for stacks of exhi doesn't matter)

[mystic belfry]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

Easier screenshots

[frank ether]

didnt revolver get some fat rending nerfs

[zealous wyvern]

which makes it great for zealot but veteran i think needs it for some clearing as well due to not relying on melee as much as zealot

[mystic belfry]

Just use CTRL + SHIFT + S to screenshot in that

[wispy oyster]

Yes, and it's still 10x better than the bolter at sniping, because handcannon

[civic bay]

it's like 60% to 40% on Carapace

and Hand Cannon T4 should still be the same as before

[mystic belfry]

Revoler got nerfs but it's still very good

hell the new fanfire revolver still dunks

[civic bay]

you just can't get away with T2 putting you at 100% now

[frank ether]

does it still one shot crusher or not

[snow pendant]

which new shovel is better against horde ?

[mystic belfry]

You're thinking of the backstab rending, hand cannon got nerfed nerfed

[zealous wyvern]

i do not feel that way but i will say ok

[mystic belfry]

hand cannon is now max 60% rending

[quartz rose]

New one feels cool and fast reload. But I'll stick with the old one to kill the snipers far away

[zealous wyvern]

if vet melee is better than zealot now, they better fix that

zealot should not be outmeleed

[mystic belfry]

What are you putting on your shovel I'm about to farm one

[civic bay]

oh you're right

[mystic belfry]

Also, mk 3?

[civic bay]

my mistake

[snow pendant]

new one max is go through only 1 body , old revolver can still let u kill that bomber or gunner behind a wall of bodies

[frank ether]

zealot is infinitely more survivable

[zealous wyvern]

more damage does not equal better

[lofty lintel]

how is vet melee better than zealot melee?

[zealous wyvern]

ok so

ok so vet is not better

just deals a bit more dmg

[frank ether]

you literally heal when you die as zealot instead of dying on top of already being tankier

[quartz rose]

Thanks, that's good to know

[snow pendant]

also which new shovel is good against horde ?

[zealous wyvern]

then back to my og point

bolter sucks

for vet

[forest scaffold]

Are you coming at this from a you angle, or pub player angle?

Cause I think a pub player is going to be more successful because their tankiness is far more forgiving to HP damage, and requires functionally zero maintenance.

[frank ether]

bolter works fine

its not amazing

[lofty lintel]

ohh

[frank ether]

but it does not suck

[umbral scaffold]

Time to get silly

[mystic belfry]

You can one-shot from a decent distance. And past that you can one-shot to the body if you crit (with your 50%+crit chance)

[paper furnace]

vet and their 6 options to oneshot the strongest mob in the game lol

[lofty lintel]

so melee vet does more dmg but zealot has more survivability

[civic bay]

Ogryn with Feel No Pain + 3 Max Health curios

[frank ether]

the bolter complains are like helbore syndrome

It doesnt work the way you want it to work so you decide it sucks

[wispy oyster]

Just because it isn't the worst gun in the game doesn't mean FS shouldn't give it little love. It's the poster child of the game. And it's currently much weaker than a cowboy weapon.

[zealous wyvern]

helbore is great huh?

[frank ether]

I didn't say otherwise buy saying it sucks is a stretch

[zealous wyvern]

i know im kind of bad but

bolter regularly gets me killed

[lofty lintel]

dont reload it and youll be fine lol

[zealous wyvern]

too slow pullout, too few bullets, too slow singleshot

[mystic belfry]

This is from 25m btw

[zealous wyvern]

and the reload

[frank ether]

I was dropping regular 800k+ games with bolter and that build only got stronger this patch

[lofty lintel]

would bolter work in a melee vet build?

[zealous wyvern]

what kind of build?

[civic bay]

swap speed too slow so I wouldn't, personally

[lofty lintel]

swap to it, magdump and back to melee

fair

[zealous wyvern]

i genuinely want to perform better with bolter

[frank ether]

focus mark VoC with deadshot surgical

[timid otter]

No thats the antithesis of what the bolter wants to do.

[zealous wyvern]

i just feel like it is horrible

[civic bay]

it's not really a melee build if you're magdumping your boltor half the time xD

[timid otter]

Bolter wants a build focused on ranged damage due to the slow pullout time.

[zealous wyvern]

ok i will try that

[mystic belfry]

The only thing that feels a bit iffy about the new revolver is how variable your shots to kill are based on if you crit or not

[zealous wyvern]

i think phrasing ot that way is too gentle

[mystic belfry]

And a good revoler has like roughly 50% crit chance on average

[wispy oyster]

Yeah, handcannon makes revolver falloff a meme

[toxic leaf]

ive been doing aurics today wtih bolter

[zealous wyvern]

bolter is impotent revolver

[toxic leaf]

its fine, but its just a worse plasma gun

[pine snow]

guys i am so sorry

[mystic belfry]

I mean, snipers are unarmored

[zealous wyvern]

revolver is a FAST ready weapon

bolter kills you on swap

[mystic belfry]

I mean fanfire spam

[frank ether]

weapon spec revolver synergy is busted

[umbral scaffold]

Kills line of stuff pretty nicely passively, not much boss damage with burn+bleed which is surprising.

[mystic belfry]

Now try plasma :^)

[pine snow]

which nodes do i need to hit?

[mystic belfry]

Just weapon specialist

[tardy turtle]

Been trying to make the left cap stone work on bolter but fuck me that right tree for vet has been so good on my plasma build.

[frank ether]

bolter could have its bash and ammo improved for a start

It had its dps nerfed but ammo was never adressed I think

[wispy oyster]

Luckily they have such a small amount of HP that I'm not sure that matters either. Never failed to oneshot a sniper no matter the distance

[quartz rose]

Stealth w/ bolter + surgical is good

[sharp ember]

bolter could probably use another magazine

[toxic leaf]

i think the only thing bolter needs is better ready time to be competitive with plasma

i dont really have ammo problems with it

[frank ether]

give it like %20-25 more, its passable on vet but think of zealots and stuff

[civic bay]

they'll probably start to step on each other's toes that way

[toxic leaf]

it feels bad meleeing and then not being able to quick handle a trapper or bomber

as a veteran

[frank ether]

also bolter bash

bolter bash should just knock chaff down

its a heavy gun lmao

[tall torrent]

Or
Buff mag size so u reload less and stay in the “gun rdy” part longer

[toxic leaf]

when a revolver or plasma can just switch and gib instantly

[wispy oyster]

Bolter could have a ready time twice as fast and it would still be slower than the revolver.

while also still being worse

[toxic leaf]

bolter would have stronger monstrosity damage though

[zealous wyvern]

bolter ready needs faster, mag size or reload speed need a buff, the dmg is pathetic. shooters surviving a bolter shot is the weirdest thing ever

[pine snow]

also what perks and blessings do i want on revolver? like is this salvageable

[umbral scaffold]

Try this with plasma 🙂

[mystic belfry]

ok

[wispy oyster]

gotta take those super unimportant wins where the bolter can get them right?

[frank ether]

they could just not have revolvers that instantly magdump bosses maybe?

isnt that a little busted

[wispy oyster]

also new revolver model definitely competes in monstrosity dps

[mystic belfry]

Spiritual successor of masterwork pistol :v

[toxic leaf]

its not bolters fault the revolver is imbalanced

[zealous wyvern]

dont need to nerf rev

[sharp ember]

make fanfire revolver drop all your unspent shells on the floor if you partial reload

[zealous wyvern]

just buff bolter

its not hard

[mystic belfry]

Something funny with my current fanfire, is that I usually kill a crusher in less than a magdump

[umbral scaffold]

Revolver 100% needs a nerf

[pine snow]

me with full auto mod:

[mystic belfry]

Unless my crit rng is bad, then I don't quite kill

[toxic leaf]

revolver and plasma need to be adjusted

[umbral scaffold]

Muh hecking wholesome big ironerino should not out DPS a bolter

[frank ether]

revolvers kinda dumb ngl

[quartz rose]

Wasn't one of the first nerfs they made was bolter pull out time?

[zealous wyvern]

its horrible

[flat pebble]

houston we have shovel

[wispy oyster]

It's also not the only gun much better than the bolter Bolter needs a buff

[zealous wyvern]

its speed should be balanced at least by making its dmg higher

bodyshot oneshot on any normal enemy

guaranteed

anything less is an insult

[mystic belfry]

I just did 4.2k crit damage on carapace with damage stim 🤔

And I don't know how

Because it normally does 2.4k

[toxic leaf]

bolter needs buffs and revolver and plasma need to be adjusted down

[dusk idol]

leave

[atomic zephyr]

might not be meta but this shit slaps

[umbral scaffold]

If they buff the bolter it'll just be revolver 2.0 because it will be able to deal with anything anytime anywhere.
It will melt bosses, snipe specials, kill armor fast.
Same as the revolver can do now.

[tall torrent]

Fatshark mathematics

[frank ether]

bolter doesnt need a lot

you're all just having victim complex

comparing it to the two most busted weapons in the game

[atomic zephyr]

draw laspistol, shoot random mob, pull out chainsword and cosplay a blender

[toxic leaf]

all i think it needs is a ready time buff

while revolver and plasma need to get yeeted down

[wispy oyster]

Not with how damn slow it is. It will never fully replace the revolver unless the revolver gets nerfed back to launch damage values

[toxic leaf]

infinite cleave on plasma lol

[wise fossil]

How's the new skill tree?

[frank ether]

its sad on zealot because they made it a surgical crit weapon and magdumping kinda sucks

[dusk idol]

good

[mystic belfry]

Buff the bolter by giving us a space marine sized one

[dusk idol]

we'd lose our arms

[umbral scaffold]

It should be reverted to launch damage values. It was a highly specialized special removal tool on quick response.
Now it's a highly specialized everything removal tool on quick response.

[frank ether]

lmao

launch had everyone run with bolter

[tall torrent]

have it dmg ur toughness with every shot fired
there, lore justification done

[mystic belfry]

I don't mind

[umbral scaffold]

Pinning fire + insta reload was the reason why

[zealous wyvern]

i mostly use helbores with meh rolls, a vraks 7, a las pistol with awful rolls and a bolter

i am not comparing it to s tier

[tall torrent]

would also make gloryhunter more viable on that bolter specifically

[mystic belfry]

Also give me the ogryn kickback on vet so I can shotgun jump like in Killing Floor 2

[zealous wyvern]

i just want to feel like its slow speed is warranted

[toxic leaf]

i havent had many issues today using it in auric, i just want it to be better lol

its just felt like a worse plasma

[frank ether]

It is a worse plasma

[toxic leaf]

well yea

[frank ether]

because plasma is busted

[mystic belfry]

So boys, consensus on Mk3 shovel vs. Mk6?

[dusk idol]

bolter and plasma operate in the same kind of niche, one will be good, one won't be as good

[timid gazelle]

the fuck is this suposed to mean

[umbral scaffold]

Plasma needs slower draw time and it'll be balanced

[tall torrent]

mk3 is debatably one of vet's strongest melee weapons rn right next to Rashad mk2 combat axe and mk6 power sword

[mystic belfry]

Stop being thin skinned and clear out some of your old blocks :^)

[mystic belfry]

Sounds good :v

[south garnet]

Pretty self explanatory really

[timid gazelle]

No no, not thin skinned just sick of zealots

[wispy oyster]

The bolter should just stop being a slow and clunky PoS with mid damage to top it off. Either make it one or the other, not slow and bad.

[mystic belfry]

So thin skinned

[quartz rose]

There's no one left in the game you havn't blocked

[timid gazelle]

HAHA BOLTER AMMOOO

[snow pendant]

the mk3 shovel ?

[mystic belfry]

Blocking bad players will never actually work btw

[umbral scaffold]

They nerfed max block list from 50 to 10 🙂

[mystic belfry]

There's always more lmao

Ayy, time to get it butchered

[south garnet]

I just tell them to shut the fuck up or tell them why they're a drooling moron or vote kick if there's no coming to an understanding

If someone's just annoying I mute or just ignore

[mystic belfry]

if you're to the point your blocking people for being bad players

[sharp ember]

I think I like the mk7 shovel more

[mystic belfry]

Might find a premade group

[sharp ember]

feels like the spike hits slightly harder

and the light combo lends well to me

[timid gazelle]

No i block people deliberatly stealing ammo.

[sharp ember]

the mk3 slappy lights are funny tho

[mystic belfry]

hmm

[mystic belfry]

lol

[frank ether]

if you think you're having it bad with hadron breaking your shovels

[wise fossil]

Makes sense you have max blocks then 😂

[south garnet]

What

[frank ether]

there is always this

[mystic belfry]

I mean, take a swing is decent isn't it

[wispy oyster]

Impact blessings

[mystic belfry]

Or is that and only normal shovel thing :v

[unreal bone]

Man you can prime a grenade in stealth, but you can't stick yourself with a needle?

Wtf

[mystic belfry]

Drugs are bad

[snow pendant]

is it good enough vs horde ?

[south garnet]

Take a swing is decent on regular shovel, might be wicked on this one using the special

[frank ether]

Ikr smh

[wise fossil]

No shooting up your heroin in the dark

[wispy oyster]

Vet is a weenie who can't handle needles

[wise fossil]

How's the new skill tree?

[south garnet]

Shove, special, heavy

[sharp ember]

i cannot vouch for mk3, but mk7 handles hordes as well as original shovel with heavy sweeps

[tall torrent]

it's passable

[mystic belfry]

I'll probably just change crit chance to something then

[frank ether]

good enough for vet standards at this point

[umbral scaffold]

Not sure if it's placebo but it seems if you load a special shell while ADS-ing it's way faster than out of ADS