veteran-class

[serene sage]

Flachette, it's only level 2 so get it before level 2 becomes rare (ironically lol)
Powercycler 4
Brutal Momentum
Surgical

[noble onyx]

5 talents to pick for the ability and a total of 120 nodes for the Vet, aye?

[mystic belfry]

Box of brain bursts

[noble onyx]

Box of boxes

[half ginkgo]

surgical is rare?

[midnight patrol]

Good God 4 immolation nades in the same area

[serene sage]

No, but there are different kinds of surgical for different guns so you want to collect them all

[steady garden]

Guys what do u think should i change bloodletter for headtaker?

[half ginkgo]

aka team of Ogryns attends primary school math class

[serene sage]

HH has its own
Bolter has its own
Autoguns has its own
Helbore has its own
Revolver has its own
you get the idea

[midnight patrol]

Autoguns have surgical?

[half ginkgo]

ah ok, thank you. i was just worried about getting some on bolters. still farming plasteel for that

[midnight patrol]

Only the HHs have them right?

[hollow turtle]

Never thought of this. Would bolter work with the exe stance 5s refresh if it had the two reload perks at top of tree+marksman focus?

[midnight patrol]

It can. You have one to one and a half seconds to make that next shot count lol

[half ginkgo]

pre patch 13 it worked with both reload talents yes. haven't tested afterwards, but i don't think they changed anything related

[midnight patrol]

So you better be on your game to press reload as your last bullet is sent

Wait might be closer to two seconds. You can get a bolter to reload like an autogun with max stacks of reloading

[noble onyx]

Well, I've made that suggestion a couple times before but the boxes should have a fixed amount of frags and 2 of them can have a chance to be any combination of frag, krak, stun or flame

[slow spade]

"Omg 4 frag bombs"

[midnight patrol]

If the frags that the Oggy box dropped were shredders..

That would be truly a box of hurt

[topaz pebble]

If the frags that the oggy box were oggy frags

[noble onyx]

Oh right.. Frag bombs exist as well..
But no I meant regular sized frag grenades

[topaz pebble]

That would truly be a box of hurt

[lavish ginkgo]

How good is support with Veteran?

[midnight patrol]

No that's just Oggenheimer

[topaz pebble]

Wdym

[lavish ginkgo]

Or should it be called hybrid support?

[gray stone]

Ogrynheimer is real

[lavish ginkgo]

The Aura, and grabbing all the aura nodes with the nodes that give bonuses to other allies

[half ginkgo]

your primary support is ammo aura and shout, the rest of stuff wiuth charistamitc or born leader is so-so

[topaz pebble]

Scavenger and VoC, bam best support in the game

[serene sage]

Just get the ones that buff yourself

[lavish ginkgo]

Hmmm. How about Bleed?

[serene sage]

Your team will naturally get it as well

[half ginkgo]

you deal 1 stack and if someone needs bleed for their build they stack 6-8-10-14 or so stacks

so no

[serene sage]

Nah, frag nade is enough to support Ogryns and Zealot

[obtuse raft]

Vet bleed is only one stack right? It's not doing a whole ton

[midnight patrol]

There's also talents where you give 15% of the toughness you heal from Excilerating Takedown and Confirmed Kill to anyone in aura range

So more supoort

[raw steppe]

it's mainly there to enable mercy killer

[obtuse raft]

Ogryn bleed is 4 and even that sometimes isn't huge

[midnight patrol]

Oh. Also covering fire if they're up in melee and you shoot enemies off them

[lavish ginkgo]

shredder frag says 6 stacks

not 1

[topaz pebble]

Shredder is not something you take for support

[obtuse raft]

Oh yeah, shredders are super handy.

[noble onyx]

He thought you were referring to melee bleed

[half ginkgo]

1 stack is serrated talent, 6 stacks is shredder

[topaz pebble]

Shredder is a "I want those things dead" grenade

[lavish ginkgo]

It would be like a Bleeding Grenade support thing

lmao

[noble onyx]

Your primary goal with any build is to kill
Vet just happens to have some situationally great things like extra toughness, toughness DR and improved ammo/health kits

[topaz pebble]

You dont really build support on vet, you just build vet and it just so happens to cross a couple useful support nodes

All you need to support is VoC and survivalist

[obtuse raft]

Nade vet has been a lot of fun, one per minute is a LOT more than it seems like.

[noble onyx]

Spamming shredder frags is fun and can bleed a ton of things to death

[lavish ginkgo]

Yea, I'm def grabbing Survivalist. Loving the effect of that one

[noble onyx]

10+ Dreg Ragers? Gone, reduced to atoms with 1-2 shredders.

[rotund pasture]

how's the new laspistol? RoF nerfs don't seem terrible on the old one, it only seems to shoot a little slower but i haven't played in a week or two so maybe i'm misrembering

[candid tundra]

Hello guys

[midnight patrol]

Guys I don't think Ichiro here knows that the one stack of bleed from that one melee talent is not the same as the bleed you get from nades

[candid tundra]

Is the mk3 or mk7 shovel better?

[mystic belfry]

It’s effective to do, but you of course don’t have to

[topaz pebble]

Do note, shredder frags pre nerf, they stil pretty much do the same

[lavish ginkgo]

Also, I'm wanting to use more of a AR than the "sniper" like rifles. So I'm looking at autogun, but saw a few guns with rapid fire that aren't autoguns. Any thoughts on what would work for this?

[topaz pebble]

Huh, I thought I trimmed the clip

[mystic belfry]

Shredders are there for stagger and bleed

[lavish ginkgo]

Sorry for the questions, as well, still pretty much a newb.

[flat pebble]

recon lasguns bad unfortunately

[untold moth]

New shovel mk 3 is excellent

[mystic belfry]

Columbus infantry

[lavish ginkgo]

Yea, the recon lasgun is what I saw. But I wasn't sure about it

[mystic belfry]

That’s the best auto you can get sadly

[half ginkgo]

for this you need Onlaught talent

in the right part of tree

[topaz pebble]

Colomnus is broken lmao

[viral nacelle]

vraks7 is a semiauto if thats closer to what you want

[midnight patrol]

Man you got pretty lucky with the procs giving you 3 in one go, my dream nade spam proc

[mystic belfry]

The other auto options that are ballistic are minimal

[topaz pebble]

Well on zealot and psyker especially

[topaz pebble]

I love demo team

[midnight patrol]

So far I've not had good luck with it. But I haven't had the chance to use it against such hilarious rager swarms though

[topaz pebble]

All crusher, ragers and maulers

Was the maelstrom modifier

[lavish ginkgo]

So Balistic autos are better than the lazgun autos, from what I'm reading here? o.o"

[mystic belfry]

It’s just extra nades here and there

[mystic belfry]

Yes

[noble onyx]

Until Recon Lasguns get more buffs or we get other types of automatic lasguns, yeah.

[midnight patrol]

Seems demoteam procs work best in Damnation maelstrom or HISTG

Gotcha

[mystic belfry]

Yeah

[viral nacelle]

its time to kick ass and throw grenades and i'm all outta ass

[noble onyx]

Demo team can be great when the Emperor is on your side

[lavish ginkgo]

Also, is it the Columnus autoguns I'm wanting over it then>?

[half ginkgo]

i mean its 5% per elite kill, so more elites the more procs

[mystic belfry]

Columnus infantry, yeah

[noble onyx]

Columnus Infantry Autogun is the one in question

[lavish ginkgo]

Saw someone put columbus earlier xD

[half ginkgo]

in short yes. specifically, the infantry autogun version

[raw steppe]

columnus has the highest dps out of them; but the other ones are quite good as well and make fair trade offs

you should try them all

[viral nacelle]

It’s too bad it doesn’t proc on teammate death so that more noob == more grenade 😂

[midnight patrol]

You can also try out the Agripaana autogun if you want a battle rifle

[raw steppe]

and make your own judgment on which one you like

[midnight patrol]

Hits harder and has decent long range performance

[mystic belfry]

Columnus auto corrects to Columbus

[raw steppe]

colum trades off stability and long-range performance for raw dps

which some people like, and some people might not like as much

[mystic belfry]

It doesn’t have much of a trade of tbh

[midnight patrol]

There's a gun for everyone I say!

[noble onyx]

If you want some alternatives you could also try the Vrak 3 Headhunter Autogun or Agri Braced Autogun

Honestly, autoguns have more variety than lasguns

[midnight patrol]

Sometimes multiple guns for everyone

[half ginkgo]

eh, as long as you stay away from Accatran lasguns you should be good

[lavish ginkgo]

I'll likely try them all, but I'm mostly just curious on a lot of this. I can't remember which autogun I tried before, but I remember I didn't like it due to low ammo in both mag and reserves.

[noble onyx]

Now the real question is, when do we get ballistic pistols
Stubber pistol and so on

[mystic belfry]

Never

[midnight patrol]

Proper 'wonder 9' pistols?

[half ginkgo]

yes, give me that sweet M401911

[gusty sonnet]

Agri is very good too

[hardy ember]

What’s wrong with accatran las guns?

[midnight patrol]

Not sure what niche they will fill

[half ginkgo]

they suck

[hardy ember]

That’s why we need hot shot lasguns

[midnight patrol]

But I guess it would be in the same niche as the autopistols bit with harder hitting semi auto shots?

[noble onyx]

Accatran Recon Lasguns are relatively weak compared to other options unless you heavily spec into them

[half ginkgo]

tbf you can make accatrans work with a proper build, but anything works with a proper build

[fallow compass]

So far i think my favorite auto gun is probably the Graia VIII infantry

[noble onyx]

A sorta harder-hitting laspistol that focuses more on weakspot hits than crits

[mystic belfry]

I mean the normal pistols would just be las pistols

[junior needle]

There's currently only one type of automatic lasgun, and they're underperforming significantly numerically. Here's a demonstration.

[midnight patrol]

The problem is how shit they are vs maniacs and that a lot of the prior builds that tried to fix that issue got.. Well. Nerfed pretty hard

[mystic belfry]

Laspistols are already finesse guns

[noble onyx]

Yeah but most builds for them focus on crits, no?

[half ginkgo]

not necessarily

[mystic belfry]

Finesse is crit and weak point

It’s both

And laspistol is more the weak point damage

[junior needle]

They're still weak even if you build around them, as damage multipliers get more value the better your gun is baseline.

[mystic belfry]

It doesn’t have crazy crit chance or anything

[midnight patrol]

Wait there's another Accaatran, the one with 100+ damage one

I keep forgetting the Mark.

[junior needle]

Also they're generally shit against unyielding too, and except for the 7a, which is the one you're thinking of. It's not just an issue of modifiers, they are just unimpressive from a baseline number standpoint as well. IAG's do more flak damage than them.

[half ginkgo]

doesn't matter. Soldier needed one full mag to kill a maniac, proper build would probably do it in 1/3rd of a mag, plasma for example can take him in one shot (mid keystone applied). helbore 3 doesn't even need that. bolter also takes 4 shots

[junior needle]

In fairness it was a mutie for testing purposes. The issue was the abysmal dps and not necessarily the boolets to kill the mutie. But that's indicative of how big shit the dps is.

[silent bone]

god roll

[noble onyx]

Could still deal a lot more weakspot damage than the laspistol, akin to how the infantry and headhunter autoguns work compared to infantry lasguns

[stone folio]

how are the new revolver and laspistol?

[noble onyx]

The revolver wreaks havoc in the right situation

[lavish ginkgo]

But that smoothness from the lazgun looks pretty nice xD

[stone folio]

so... it wants hand cannon blessing?

[midnight patrol]

Maybe it could also have meaty raw damage and high fire rate for a semi auto

[lavish ginkgo]

Also, crafting vs store vs drop?

[midnight patrol]

So it's less a finesse gun but aim for center mass with the mobility of an auto pistol

[obtuse raft]

New revolver is VERY funny but I think I still prefer the old one.

[tropic imp]

New laspistol is a lot worse than old one

[raw steppe]

hc if you need to kill crushers

[tropic imp]

But I guess it works better with deadshot cause less RoF

[raw steppe]

otherwise you dont need it

[lavish ginkgo]

I'm assuming Dropped gear is better like most other games like this? But I know crafting could be something, I guess?

[junior needle]

It is, until you realize the price to pay is doing about 1/3-1/4 the baseline dps and having considerably worse ammo efficiency.

While from a design perspective it's allowable for a bit less dps if it had amazing stability and a deeper ammo pool, but it has neither damage nor ammo effectiveness and there's other guns that are remarkably stable that also perform very well (vraks 3 comes to mind).

[half ginkgo]

out of all new shit there is one gun i fell in love with. and that is Munitorum Mk. 3 Sapper Shovel. Blessed Emperor bless this holy shovel

[tiny summit]

And as someone with a recon with infernus and crits, a columnus with dumdum basically 2-3x its dps still with a build. Like I can make my recon work in a run but you could do better running most other things. Only thing recon has is its non-existent recoil and crits taking no ammo with a build. But still severely lacking

[junior needle]

They nerfed the shit out of shock trooper too, so you get like 1/5 the effectiveness of patch 13 on a 6d.

[noble onyx]

Melk for tier IV blessings, regular store for decent base guns, craft those up to get what you desire, drops mostly in hopes they have good blessings, don't farm Brunt unless you're willing to farm Dockets

Drops are usually not worth much but can still work out in your favour

The best gear you get through crafting, usually

[tacit hearth]

Whats the difference between the two power swords btw?

[pearl sapphire]

I love the tree rework, haven’t had a chance to play but I was able to get a class set up for later

[noble onyx]

Attack patterns

[tacit hearth]

Ah

[pearl sapphire]

How’s the new shovels?

[half ginkgo]

mk. 3 - you want to spam heavy charged attacks for horde clear.
mk. 6 - you spam lights and heavy push big guys. a bit less raw damage against the horde but safer in general

[pearl sapphire]

Was considering different options for krieg loadout

[lavish ginkgo]

What about adding crits for the "shock trooper" node with it? That could make it "better." But I guess at the same time, I'd be better off with something else at that point, I'm assuming

[tiny summit]

Like I think the highest dps on a mutant I get with a recon is anywhere between 1-1.4k. Highest dps I can get with a columnus on a mutant is over 3k

[noble onyx]

It's really quite a shame that the Recons just don't fill any niche with their current balancing.

[midnight patrol]

.. Okay I did not know the H E A V Y Laspistol shoots as fast as the mk12

[half ginkgo]

it was the tactic. but now the shock trooper applies only to the first bullet in a crit string. at 16.66 shots per second you can't wait till shock troop procs

[midnight patrol]

Good lord that is slow.

[south spindle]

First pass on a Brauto build on new tree, nb

[pearl sapphire]

I wish they would change the hellbore mk iiis melee to a stab instead of the bash/slash type attack it has

[eternal sable]

ugh

pog

[half ginkgo]

oh but they do - i hate new map as its way too dark for me. luckily, recon players provide convenient illumination as to where i need to aim my bolter/plasma

[junior needle]

Shock trooper now has a hidden mechanic (that was an undocumented change) that only gives ammo back for the first crit of a crit string. Also they additionally reduced the crit strings of the entire line to 2 (from 3/4/5 depending on fire rate, also an undocumented change).

There's no way around that if you're talking just building more crit. Unless you mean changing the talent to give crit, but still the guns should perform acceptably baseline and not absolutely require talent taxes to not be total dumpster tier.

[lavish ginkgo]

So that means they need to reiterate the description on it then. It still says "critical hits" without saying anything about only the first bullet. Would love for them to edit that in. >_<

[eternal sable]

wtf

[noble onyx]

Imagine Fatshark properly documenting how things work

[eternal sable]

idk what to do with the perks

halp

[tall torrent]

It now has an internal cooldown (which isn’t mentioned) causing it to work properly with other lasguns but not recons

[half ginkgo]

flak maniac

[eternal sable]

i can only change 1

[flat pebble]

one lock

[lavish ginkgo]

Which means, I'm better off with SRs or MRs instead with that. sigh

[junior needle]

Got you with the number boss. Dps with my built columnus is over at least 4000 on maniac with headshots.

[eternal sable]

i think i keep carapace

[flat pebble]

i mean it’s melee crit it’s not really a choice

[eternal sable]

yeah ..

[flat pebble]

you keep carapace absolutely

[half ginkgo]

hmm, maybe actually +elite then?

[eternal sable]

ok i did it

[flat pebble]

at least it works

[lavish ginkgo]

Guess I'll stick to the autoguns then. At elast there's a perk for them that improves reload speed xD

[half ginkgo]

nah, you don't need reload speed talents/perks on an autos

[flat pebble]

i mean the columnus is excellent rn

[midnight patrol]

Autoguns are generally much more flexible weapons yeah

[half ginkgo]

you load damage

[midnight patrol]

They also don't suffer from the really dumb reverse damage falloff

[flat pebble]

also yeah don’t waste the points in reload talents with an iag

[midnight patrol]

Where you do less damage up close and more further away

[lavish ginkgo]

Likely won't need it if I'm focusing on Naders, too. So yea

[midnight patrol]

They're saying that damage talents benefit you better than reload talents for the most part.

Most of the automatic autoguns don't gave too long reloads anyway

[urban steppe]

do i need to buy it ? looks % good

[half ginkgo]

i would say this is basic "support" build which works with pretty much any gun. 1 point flex to use as you like

[lavish ginkgo]

I don't plan on doing much with melee, but I'm curious on whether the Axe or Chainsword would be better to grab. I'm sure it won't matter, but those are the ones i'm liking mostly for aesthetics xD

[mystic belfry]

Yeah autogun reload is fine

[mystic belfry]

Rashad axe

[midnight patrol]

Oh boy do I have news for you lol

As a Vet you will be expected to melee. A lot

Mainly due to self defence

[flat pebble]

no one is above the melee weapon

[buoyant mica]

anyone got a decent build for running a plasma gun?

[midnight patrol]

A guy here once said

[flat pebble]

except kickback ogryn

[mystic belfry]

Psyker can build to mostly avoid melee if they want to

[lavish ginkgo]

I'll use it, but it's not going to be my focus. XD

[flat pebble]

but we don’t need to address that

[midnight patrol]

There is a reason your melee weapon is called a primary weapon

Consider it as such

[lavish ginkgo]

I don't like melee much in this game

[flat pebble]

boi

[mystic belfry]

Melee is great in this game

Silly goose

[half ginkgo]

pick any of the following - Devil Claw swords (any mk, tho 4 may be a bit better than the rest), Antax Combat Axe, rashad Combat axe, Cadia chainsword, sapper shovel and power sword (mk. 6 ideal)

[lavish ginkgo]

I prefer the gunplay, thanks

[noble onyx]

Every class needs to be able to use melee in this game, otherwise they are dead weight or being carried.

[lavish ginkgo]

I'll use it, but I'll likely suck with it. lmao

[mystic belfry]

Everyone does at first

[flat pebble]

practice makes perfect

[south spindle]

Loving Catachan Sword on Vet of late, particularly with the new melee Karnak, ez hitless fight, just parry the fuck out of her

[noble onyx]

Even blocking or pushing is going to drastically increase your lifespan.

[mystic belfry]

Claw sword 4 is really good

[half ginkgo]

when you go to higher difficulties (heresy and higher) if you can't use your melee weapon, you are either carried or you are simply dead

[midnight patrol]

.. Is this how those Vets that get downed by three poxwalkers in melee think like

[flat pebble]

you could just use the helbore for now if you wanted to

[junior needle]

Great base stats, but 2/4 scuffed to start

[flat pebble]

the bayonet doesn’t need perks or blessings

[unborn ridge]

whats the best dmg build besides marksman focus

[lavish ginkgo]

Do melee weaps have "hidden abilities/talents" to them, by chance?

[half ginkgo]

big brain move here

[noble onyx]

A Chaos Spawn targeting you without dodging or block, say goodbye to your toughness and potentially your health

[humble nova]

lul, you better git gud

[forest scaffold]

I think I have my build

[unborn ridge]

i feel like marksman focus makes u have to stand still most of the time

[mystic belfry]

Middle cap with shout

[midnight patrol]

But jokes aside. Catachan series of swords for ease of use

[humble nova]

Nobody chooses not to melee unless they want to be carried in every match

[unborn ridge]

third cap isnt goodd?

[midnight patrol]

Press special button when enemies melee you and watch them eat a sword

[half ginkgo]

a single damna crusher or mauler will suffice

[forest scaffold]

Cause people are interested this stuff

That's what I used

[mystic belfry]

It is

[south spindle]

Nah, you just gotta hit headshots consistently

[unborn ridge]

but middle cap is better for dps on automatic guns?

[ruby hull]

Mk3 haymaker Knife vet is new zealot: confirmed

[south spindle]

If you can aim, Marksman's is cracked as fuck

[urban steppe]

gonna upgrade and show what ill get there

[unborn ridge]

u gotta kill with headsdhots

[forest scaffold]

its great with plasma gun

you can get 10 stacks in your sleep

[mystic belfry]

Yes, it’s good with anything. Left and right keystones are niche but also good

[noble onyx]

True but Chaos Spawns are more relentless in running up to you, Crushers and Maulers are more likely to go for your teammates in melee range

[south spindle]

Yeah.. so like i said, you gotta be able to aim

[flat pebble]

what u think marksman helps you do

[south spindle]

If you can do that, you'll shred with numerous weapons

[umbral scaffold]

U gone die

[mystic belfry]

Make sure you take target down with the middle keystone, you don’t need the other two nodes though

[idle dirge]

What's the difference between the new and old chainaxe?

[midnight patrol]

Does catachan sword parry work with Chaos Spawn wailing on you? I'll confess I never tested it out in real combat yet

[south spindle]

Yep

[half ginkgo]

yeah

[mystic belfry]

As long as it’s not a grab

[south spindle]

Works on all bosses 'cept slug puke

[flat pebble]

moveset, old is more generalist but new is better single target and the lights are dedicated horde clear basically

[ruby hull]

One goes brrrrrt and the other one goes brrrt brrrrrt brrrrrrr

[idle dirge]

I see

[noble onyx]

New chainaxe has light attack horde clear and heavy attack single target

[mystic belfry]

If a boss grabs you you have to dodge, can’t parry that

[south spindle]

Ye

But thats very telegraphed so easy enough

[midnight patrol]

.. Heck this makes my decision to carry a shovel or sword all the more painful to decide.

[noble onyx]

The heavy attack of the new chainaxe deals considerable damage even without activating the special

[mystic belfry]

Also, use claw 4 so that you can mix heavy ones into your parry

[half ginkgo]

wonder if its possible to kill dh using only dclaw parry

[mystic belfry]

Massive dps boost

[flat pebble]

it’s kinda lower lows and highest highs with the new chaxe

[mystic belfry]

Yes but you get chipped

[south spindle]

They both make survivability go through the roof, albeit in different ways

[mystic belfry]

And you need to use heavy one too

[flat pebble]

spamming lights on it is okay for horde clear but chaining heavies on the old chaxe is better at it

[urban steppe]

ok nvm... fck

[flat pebble]

but the single target damage on the heavy is considerable

[noble onyx]

Most likely if you dodge the attacks as well
Some people have dodged most of a DH's attacks stepping left and right

[mystic belfry]

Shovel is stagger sword is parry

[ruby hull]

@mystic belfry dude with the changes to vet tree allowing me to get weapon specialist AND every single weak spot damage perk, along with the mk3 knife with uncanny 4 and haymaker 4 I now have zealot levels of melee damage and speed, it's insane

[midnight patrol]

I'll confess the shovel is the one weapon I had that allowed me to survive as the last man standing through a horde in Heresy maelstrom

I backed up on a corner and never stopped swinging lol

[flat pebble]

that’s been me with bayonet lately

[south spindle]

Aye, both will be competative in last man standing scenarios

[flat pebble]

it hard counters rager hordes like fuckin insane

[south spindle]

You can parry Crusher overheads with Catachan btw

Which is hilarious

[mystic belfry]

Yes

[midnight patrol]

Weakest jungle fighter vs

[mystic belfry]

There a nice combo with shovel and fan fire revolver

Poke rager out of their combo, then Fan fire the head twice

Very fast and they’re safely dead

[noble onyx]

Parry this you fucken casual
Gets shot by a sniper

[midnight patrol]

.. Hmmm..

I should try that with my Vraks

[south spindle]

Also works with Catachan

[true echo]

Hey guys member this art? Wouldn't it be swell if we got this?

[midnight patrol]

I just need the suckers to stop wailing on me for some ex stance bang bang out of trouble

[south spindle]

Smaller window though, but somehow more satisfying

[hollow turtle]

Isn't that a temp scion?

We're not going to get that.

[south spindle]

Can make Catachan's look sweet with weap'cust' mod too

[noble onyx]

Wouldn't it be swell if we got Meltaguns and Longlas-es

[south spindle]

Melta is pretty likely at somepoint tbh

[true echo]

It's darktide concept art

for a reject

[umbral scaffold]

wow the new revolver is really good

[mystic belfry]

New revolver is my favorite gun now

[midnight patrol]

Must be an Auric operative

[noble onyx]

I mean, evidence has been in the files since the Beta so yeah, kinda..

[midnight patrol]

No wonder Melk Gucci's them up so much

They ballin

[umbral scaffold]

infiltrate vet with melta and demo charge instead of smoke bomb

pure violence

[ruby hull]

I put long scope on the new revolver

[mystic belfry]

Skip infiltrate

[midnight patrol]

Krak grenade*

[mystic belfry]

… why?

[ruby hull]

Because it's funny

[umbral scaffold]

nah i want a demo charge like sly marbo

have it behave like the ammo canisters from that mission

[flat pebble]

it’s gonna have bolters level of ammo i can feel it

maybe worse

[midnight patrol]

We cannot speak his name without the screaming

[noble onyx]

Put a scope on a Kantrael shotgun

[ruby hull]

It's funny fanning the hammer on a revolver with a 2ft scope

[midnight patrol]

I tried cant

[south spindle]

Probably worse, but might not be a problem depending on how it works

[midnight patrol]

I wanted to stick the long optics on the Agri shotgun

[south spindle]

I can see it being similar to Plasma more than owt else, just with much shorter range

[midnight patrol]

Make a Battlefield 3 levels of sniper shotgun

[flat pebble]

i hope they make it specific to one class so they can keep it tightly tuned

[half ginkgo]

yeah, 15/80 ammo and it takes 5 ammo per shot

[south spindle]

I kinda hope Zealot tbh

[noble onyx]

I personally prefer the Bad Company 2 days of slug sniping

[flat pebble]

this whole bolter on vet vs zealot thing sucks

[midnight patrol]

I wasn't able to be part of that alas lol

[south spindle]

Vet has Plasma, Zealot could have Melta, seems fair

[flat pebble]

yeah i would prefer zealot but i am kinda biased

[umbral scaffold]

man bad company 2 was awesome

[midnight patrol]

Only know that BF3 allowed you to stick x16 scopes on a slug shotgun

[flat pebble]

it would probably make a lot of zealots more useful who are only using it for rule of cool

[noble onyx]

True, BF3 did have the advantage of scopes on shotguns

[midnight patrol]

Hmm..

[flat pebble]

i think it’s funny imagining the rejects actually just coincidentally finding their specific ammo on the floor

[midnight patrol]

I wonder. If you stack the 10% rending from the marksman keystone and the other 10% from the other trees.. could we make the agri slug rounds a true sniper rifle lol

[flat pebble]

oh hey look magma rounds for my lava cannon in this hive

[midnight patrol]

20% rending and a crit build should one tap Crushers right?

[tall torrent]

Which weapon

[low oar]

Las pistol mk2

[flat pebble]

agri shotgun

[midnight patrol]

Agripaana shotgun with slug special rounds

[tall torrent]

Yea i don’t think so

[midnight patrol]

Blessings like fullbore would help. But that only helps the second shot

There's no doubt a second follow up headshot would end the Crusher

But still hoping for that golden one tap

[half ginkgo]

full bore, no respite and stagger crusher with a shredder first?

[stone birch]

i think FS has gone out of their way to keep crushers on a 2 shot death outside of krak grenades

[midnight patrol]

The thing is without any set up, its quite easy to two tap a crusher with the slugs

[south garnet]

hold special and scroll wheel up and down to adjust las power - if you want to one shot a crusher crank it, if going for ammo conservation on shooters crank it down. Or that's how it would work if sanity were included in the development pipeline

[topaz pebble]

You can 1 tap crushers with revolvers and plasmas

Or powersword mk6

[midnight patrol]

But yeah. Revolver and Plasma can still pull off the one tap

[ruby hull]

I mean you can one shot them with mk3 power sword with all the damage feats

[topaz pebble]

I dont know about the mk3 stacking enough to 1 tap through carapace

[ruby hull]

Waste of points though

[flat pebble]

too confusing for console players

[midnight patrol]

I suppose being able to two tap should be considerable a feat enough.

[stone birch]

overkill can be thought of as overspecialization. Leaves you lacking in other areas a lot of the time imo

[noble onyx]

Overkill causes damage in the warp
The Emperor would be proud

[half ginkgo]

when i read laser and crank, i immediately imagined preston garvey dropping from next elevator and sending you to another settlement hive city

[ruby hull]

You can get super close to a one tap on crushers with MK2 knife and rending backstab 4 and like every damage feat in the tree

Can't quite hit the breakpoint though

Even on a critical

[slow spade]

Ask them nicely to die

[ruby hull]

But still, being able to 2 tap like 5 crushers in a row out of stealth in like 10 seconds ain't half bad

[orchid musk]

Knives are for being flashy. I prefer killing a wave of crushers in the time it takes a knife to kill one.

[slow spade]

"Here comes the 6th Crusher with a steel chair!" -Sergeant Morrow

[terse idol]

What waack

Knives have a place with very high mobility

[half ginkgo]

yes, but if vet runs something like plasma + knife, you know you have to pick a slack.

[ruby hull]

The new knife and stealth is faster than anything the zealot can put out now

SPEEEEEEEEEEED

[terse idol]

Can't you also get it for the zealot

[half ginkgo]

and man, lets just say, most of pug vets ain't the best when it comes yo using that big ass gun to delete elites/specials

[terse idol]

Just become the speed

[slow spade]

Yeah now that Vet can run in stealth, I wonder if Vet is the speedrun king

[midnight patrol]

I ran a knife with my bleeding fire shotgun because I thought it would be funny to be causing grevious blood rivers even with my stabby stabby

I was right

[half ginkgo]

i mean, if a knife vet knows how to handle his shit i have absolutely 0 problems with them

more often than not - they suck against hordes and they suck at aiming at that bomber/trapper/sniper/gunner

[plain gull]

Really!? Duly noted! I want to make the Emperor proud too! XD

[slow spade]

Auric Maelstrom -> see a lvl 30+0 Vet with knife and recon UwU

[half ginkgo]

i felt that... i really felt it

[orchid musk]

I usually have bad experiences with stealth players.

Occasionally one will do really well.

[stone birch]

I'm a fool who gleefully does difficulty above what I "should" be doing, but even I know auric maelstrom is this game's end game raids. Bring at least decent gear and a build you are comfortable with

[slow spade]

I only do it to power level

Lvl 11 ogryn was when I did Damnations

[half ginkgo]

funnlily, more often than not, truly great players run some weird shit in auric maelstrom. and they make it look dang good

[slow spade]

Lvl 16 for Auric

[low oar]

I need to figure out more weird build ideas

[slow spade]

Recon, Knife, Smokes -> top damage dealt and most elite kills UwU

[terse idol]

uwu

[slow spade]

Chainaxe melee build when?

[low oar]

I don't know who said the raking fire Columunus was a good idea but it's boring

[slow spade]

Just 2 days ago chainaxe would have been instant leave for me

[stone birch]

damnation regular unlocks at 15...

[slow spade]

Now I'm not sure

[obtuse raft]

I had a decent one last night. I think the new knife has made them a lot more survivable.

[slow spade]

Friends

I just bothered my friend

[obtuse raft]

At least they go down the pox walkers less

[low oar]

I have a good roll for one. Will so

[slow spade]

I'm trying to get the heavy laspistol :c

Brunt PLS

[half ginkgo]

heh, i had taxe/vraks 3 vet yesterday with smoke and stealth who made us all look like newbs

[slow spade]

I've dropped 400k for only 1 usable roll

[half ginkgo]

i am down today 1.6m dockets on bolters. guess how many surgical + pinning fire rolls I have got?

[stone birch]

0

[terse idol]

1

[topaz pebble]

1

[stone birch]

not a single success

[half ginkgo]

winner winner chicken dinner

[terse idol]

Damn

[stone birch]

the emperor truly protects

[south spindle]

Nah, i think FS want Crushers to be primarily fought in melee outside of a couple of niche setups ngl

[half ginkgo]

more like hadron truly bricks

[south spindle]

[stone birch]

[terse idol]

That is just waayy too complicated

[half ginkgo]

and the best part? i am so used to this rng fest till now that I am not even mad

[stone birch]

already been said, but hadron's gonna go on field missions with us once grendyl realizes how many weapons she's fucked up

[half ginkgo]

you know how FS can make a shittion of money? make a commissar class, make thier ult shoot a friendly for buffs, and make that friendly hadron

[raw steppe]

i'm so glad redditors only get to post on reddit and discord and dont have any input to the game design process

[slow spade]

I have 3 docket curios

[raw steppe]

LOL

[stone birch]

you too, shedoq?

MONEY

[slow spade]

Docket buddies 💪

[half ginkgo]

plasteel curio when?

[slow spade]

My brother showed me the light when he failed an Auric Maelstrom and still got 50k dockets

[stone birch]

The emperor shows his love in coin. Or something like that lol

[slow spade]

"Omg I love money :D" -The God Emperor of Mankind

[stone birch]

aye, the payoff for those 89k docket missions with the boost is neuron activating.

[slow spade]

I've just been running heresy high intensity and Aurics for super fast cash

Thankfully heresy high intensity gives more cash than damnation

So easy breakpoints and I get paid more :D

[raw steppe]

i can't imagine playing heresy just because it gives more money

sounds so boring

[stone birch]

All just so brundt can give you hundreds of scrap guns lol

[slow spade]

Its like 50k a run

You get paid well

[raw steppe]

i'd rather fail some runs and get paid less and actually have fun

[slow spade]

A damnation auric is like 40k lol

[slow spade]

Sorry I like getting what I want 💅💅💅

[south spindle]

Only reason i can find to run a heresy every once in a while is to look at the zoo

[low oar]

Is heresy actually 50k?

[slow spade]

With boosts + conditions + secondaries

[stone birch]

I sometimes drop into heresy matches when I need some enemies melee'd/shot in the next hour and I can get 2 heresy games in in the time it takes one damnation. Heresy has its uses lol

[hallow tulip]

Crucian Roullette seems pog now that you can easily access crit chance after reload
on new revolver

[stone birch]

Melk is a weird man

[grim cargo]

is exhilarating takedown fixed?

[south spindle]

Crucian/Point Blank is pretty gud on a swap based build for sure

[south spindle]

Yessir

[slow spade]

Has been for weeks

[raw steppe]

ye it's too bad run n gun is broken

[slow spade]

I miss the speed buff

[raw steppe]

i think run n gun with crucian would be pretty sick

[lavish ginkgo]

They need a search function in the talent tree

[slow spade]

My 3 sprint efficiency curios crying after the speed buff left :c

[fleet raptor]

rate the iron.

[scenic bronze]

B I G

[slow spade]

Nurgle is pissing and shitting (more so than usual)

[stone birch]

the god emperor demands you use it

[snow pendant]

new revolver gave me ptsd cuz i cant shoot the bomber behind a horde of poxwalkers since it has shit penetration

my old revolver ?

dead in 1 shot

[stone birch]

zarona is still absurdly good

[snow pendant]

max 2 shot otherwise everything else 1 shot

[obtuse raft]

Yeah the cleave is what kills it for me a lot of the time. I can't count the number of specials I've shot at crucial moments through the spine of a ally and three or four chaff units with the old one

[snow pendant]

new revolver only better because it has a speedloader

[fleet raptor]

i am

[slow spade]

I'm on the fence about the new revolver as well

[snow pendant]

new is better for shooting gunner , shotgun squads

[wooden lotus]

i like that they do different things

[snow pendant]

but ass once the horde comes

[slow spade]

It fills a fun niche but the drawbaxks are notable and glaring 👀

[south spindle]

New revolver is good because it goes BAMBAMBAMBAMBAM

[stone birch]

i'm still rolling for it, but the videos I have seen make me think of it as like, an anti boss weapon over a specalist hunter

[slow spade]

The fun niche UwU

[slow spade]

Go both

[snow pendant]

is the specials that can fold a run faster than a monster can

[slow spade]

Its funny seeing the cringe twins instantly leave after you stunlock them

[snow pendant]

besides old revolver still put out good dps against boss/monsters

[slow spade]

Shout -> one dump later -> pops smoke and bails

[snow pendant]

nice

[stone birch]

I already got a god revolver with my zarona. I do want the Agrppina one still. I just like wheelguns in general.

[spark helm]

sadness.

[snow pendant]

me with dclaw on parry : try me bitch

[spark helm]

just got downed after busting my ass so nice on stealth vet

bruhver

[stone birch]

T_T

[slow spade]

The plasma pistol one is just pure bully material

[spark helm]

in a mercantile run. steatlh builds get 30% bonus to gaming when the song drops.

[slow spade]

The landmines do not scare me, I am simply FULL of toughness regen

[stone birch]

I kinda want the agrippina revolver on my zealot more than my vet tbh.

[spark helm]

then I got caught out by a gunner nobody else could deal with

i'm crying

[stone birch]

T_T

[slow spade]

For gunners I just start spamming slide

[half ginkgo]

btw anyone knows a good stealth build with bayonet?
I kinda wanna run a 4 vet maelstorm pug with bayonets only

[slow spade]

It breaks stagger enough for me to get sight on them

[spark helm]

I was doing it my dawg, couldn't dodge em all.

[slow spade]

Ah too many

I thought it was just one

[south spindle]

https://youtu.be/FsuLA8go6BQ?si=3JxZdoNfu3rv-Re7 😄

[spark helm]

I was out here literally like fanning out and being too fast for them to hit me with their formation

I was in the zone

;_;

[slow spade]

Idk the situation but you can toss kraks to stagger even outside the kill radius

[spark helm]

:^)

[slow spade]

I sometimes do it to stop gunner hordes

[spark helm]

I ran smoke.

and was on cooldown.

lmao

[slow spade]

Ah I assumed krak due to revolver user (fuck bulwarks)

[spark helm]

oh no I was running colomnus

I'm bastard bastard

[south spindle]

Bulwarks? You mean parry bait 😄

[slow spade]

Bruh I got nothing right

[half ginkgo]

too many vets run kraks nowadays tbf

[spark helm]

lol

[slow spade]

Am I braindead?

[spark helm]

no you're fine

[half ginkgo]

its getting a bit stale

[slow spade]

:p

[spark helm]

discord chat moment stuff gets miscommunicated every time.

might've been thinking of someone else.

[slow spade]

I mean it does make sense to run kraks with revolver

I get what you mean but I find bulwark walls piss me off

[half ginkgo]

nah, don't think so. i would maybe run kraks on a columnus setup but vet dakka builds aren't my playstyle

i mean, if i have to shoot more than 2-3 times at something as a vet i feel weird

[slow spade]

Boss pops up -> "oh shit wtf"

I find kraks funny imo

[half ginkgo]

if i am on boltor - hell yeah, shout and magdump
if i am on plama - exe stance and blaze goes hard

[slow spade]

An ogryn pops up -> I just mark and leave

[crude wind]

I don't even recognise the enemies as individuals now

[slow spade]

It just spontaneously dies a second later

[crude wind]

They are just shapes full of HP to the slaughter

Poor enemies

How low they have fallen

[slow spade]

Hp bar mod -> "all enemies" 😎

[half ginkgo]

heh, and I recognize shooters/elites as free ammo

[crude wind]

One day I hope they redesign a bunch of them

Ragers, crushers and maulers on the top of my list

[spark helm]

sliding into shooter squads with lobbed smoke is a little too addicting.

[half ginkgo]

i kinda want a buff to trapper

[south garnet]

This is likely how it was going to be in the first place - adjusting las to consume ammo differently depending on power

[slow spade]

"Tzeentch's trickery" condition: all armor types are randomized

Poxwalkers with carapace armor UwU

[half ginkgo]

don't know what but i think trapper needs a buff

[south garnet]

That's why the ammo count is the way it is

[spark helm]

Hey.

Stop that.

[slow spade]

Trapper needs cloak

[bright coyote]

trapper is a little too shy

[half ginkgo]

in local news: 3 vets dead due to 1 poxwalker

[spark helm]

They need to die

[slow spade]

"We call this a difficulty tweak" -Trapper

[spark helm]

I fucking hate trappers because I hate smokers in l4d

fuck em

die

[south garnet]

This makes more sense from a simplification perspective regarding gameplay design, yea

[crude wind]

Trappers, Snipers, Busters and Fire are the only threats left in the game at this point

[half ginkgo]

oh, also bring back release janky doggos

they were fun

[spark helm]

no clip wall bouncing

hell yeah

[half ginkgo]

dog lands a lightyear away, still grabbed

[night sparrow]

is anyone elses plasma gun janky as hell after the patch

[slow spade]

Lol dogs were cbt

[south garnet]

yep

[half ginkgo]

yes sir/ma'am

[slow spade]

Plasma is janky? D:

I'm a plasma main 😔

[midnight mortar]

It's bugged.

[slow spade]

Fuck

[half ginkgo]

invisble shots with too much recoil and audio cuts away

[mystic belfry]

Easy oneshots

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-gif-22710398

[night sparrow]

just wanted to make sure i wasn't gaslighting myself

[half ginkgo]

damage is still ok

[slow spade]

Damn...good thing I haven't went into a maelstrom yet

Need to get used to it lol

[half ginkgo]

yeah, it certainly did fuck with my brain

[crude wind]

From one bug to another lol

[mystic belfry]

Auric is fun you should play it

[half ginkgo]

you shoot a rager, stagger like your toughness is broken and rager dies like his head just randomly fell off

[crude wind]

Tbf though it's not a bug unique to the plasma

[slow spade]

I've been trying the new gear so been doing standard damnations so I don't sandbag people

[crude wind]

It's latency based, just got way worse with the patch

[mystic belfry]

I auric with shit gear all the time :v

[slow spade]

Heavy las pistol has been pretty fun

Been rocking with it

[mystic belfry]

Nice, I need to make a new las myself

[slow spade]

The difference is I don't want it to slow me down

[midnight mortar]

The weapon animation not playing properly/disappearing is server latency based?

[half ginkgo]

i do have a suspicion its connected to the charge rate stat but i don't have a whole palette of plasma guns with different charge rates to test

[slow spade]

Feels bad to me :c

[atomic zephyr]

new laspistol feels odd to me

[slow spade]

Makes me think "man I could be doing so much better with blahblah gear"

[midnight mortar]

I figured their changing of charge rate was what fucked the plasma.

[mystic belfry]

Just run all greys

[atomic zephyr]

think im gonna use it as a backup on a melee build instead of relying on it as a primary

[slow spade]

Na I want to use a good heavy laspistol

[untold moth]

Do any of the infantry autos penetrate?

[slow spade]

I'd have nothing to blame except skill issue if I had good gear 💪

[mystic belfry]

That’s how I use it. Good for anti gunners and shooters. Pairs amazingly with ps6

[atomic zephyr]

agrippina

[slow spade]

So far trying to get a DumDum + Speedloader heavy las pistol

[untold moth]

Same bug has existed on ripper guns for forever. Hopefully they can fix both

[atomic zephyr]

thats actually what ive been using lol, though i made a build for the laspistol to my detriment
im gonna give it a try with some chain weapons later as well

[slow spade]

Seems to be the best combo?

Tbh laspistol blessings kind of suck

[mystic belfry]

Dumdum is really good

[crude wind]

Something to do with how the server and the client communicate

[slow spade]

Its the only good one sadly

The rest are varying degrees of "meh"

[untold moth]

Whatever the source, I hope they can fix it

[mystic belfry]

Raking fire and infernus are ok for boss damage

[crude wind]

Ghost is decent

It's just not damage

So people poo poo it

[half ginkgo]

raking fire for the memes!

[south garnet]

can't believe I got called reddit today. what a world

[crude wind]

Raking Fire on autogun vet is actually sick

[terse idol]

Its fiiine

[slow spade]

I considered that one, but Hadron said no so I haven't properly tested

[mystic belfry]

Smelly redditor detected

[south garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-memoji-gif-23490017

[terse idol]

People can poo poo it all they want its okay

[half ginkgo]

damn, i new vet couldn't sing /s 😄

[terse idol]

Although how much damage you are actually dodging is....

[crude wind]

Hahahaha

[terse idol]

Unmeasurable

[crude wind]

Nice

[mystic belfry]

Ghost is solid

[slow spade]

Ghost is funny with Duck and Dive at least

[terse idol]

Well with like full tier ghost certainly

[slow spade]

Deadshot + Duck and Dive + Ghost is a solid combo

[terse idol]

4 tier even

[crude wind]

Ghost and duck and dive will always be good I reckon

Just hard to pull off

[slow spade]

Sadly Hadron gave me a Speedloader + Dumdum Laspistol so can't pull it off

[crude wind]

Deadshot as well ofc

[mystic belfry]

Ghost helps specialist against gunners etc which is what it’s good for anyways so it’s a good pick

Just make sure to always have dumdum regardless

[terse idol]

Is dum dum fixed yet?

[slow spade]

Honestly if Ghost let me dodge trapper shots I'd instant pick it lol

[slow spade]

Bo

No*

[terse idol]

Les goo

[slow spade]

I probably didn't consider Ghost that high because I got fucked by that

And I'm still holding that grudge

Unrelated, in Warhammer Fantasy I play Dwarfs

[rose wedge]

What's the best thing to do to take advantage of the new combat knife's strengths? Is it horde bleed proc?

[south garnet]

I like lizard men and bretonnians

[terse idol]

I love Funni Skaven

and lizardmen yes-yes

[half ginkgo]

Dark Angels player here. Explains my obscession with plasma

[south garnet]

my beloved skinks

[midnight mortar]

🦎

[hard cave]

salamander my beloved

[terse idol]

Tehenhauin my beloved

[hard cave]

the only space marines that care about the emperor's subjects, no matter their place in the imperium

[south garnet]

also mesoamerican iguana-men carrying macuahuitls will forever be one of the most iconic warhammer things to me ever

[terse idol]

Hell yeeahh

[hard cave]

also when are we gonna get drip of the fabled guardmans who stood up to horrus to guard the emperor

[terse idol]

When what's her name can find them

🥹

[south garnet]

I can't find a pic but my favorite mantlepiece lizardman unit to field was a stegadon with a howdah on top loaded with skinks

[hard cave]

Ollanius Pius

[terse idol]

God damnnn

[half ginkgo]

Ollanius Pius

[hard cave]

the most based guardsman

[terse idol]

[hard cave]

more based then ol' bale eye

[slow spade]

Dark Angels are funny.

Primarch wakes up -> sees the Imperium -> >:( -> "Dreadwing Protocol is now active"

[south garnet]

Different sculpt than the one I had (much higher quality lol) BUT YEA hell yea

[robust mirage]

i hate how they tried to retcon the guardsman to first a spacemarine and then a custodes

they will never take my guardsman who stood up to a evil god away from me

[hard cave]

fr

[south garnet]

Thank you for actually reading the notes before asking, firstly

[elder vessel]

They're better

[robust mirage]

when you used the special on the chainweapons before you got stuck in the animation, now you can dodge out of it you lose the burst of dmg at the end when you rip the weapon out but you can now dodge out of incoming attacks

[hard cave]

they will never retcon the idea

[south garnet]

Beat to the punch, Dolphin has the salient points

Dorfin

Dorkin

[half ginkgo]

form "feels like" pepspective - chainsword is just as it was, however, if you play also as a zealot, the eviscerator now sticks to hordes on heavy sweeps. you may need to dodge more to avoid damage

[slow spade]

Don't get hit

Simple

[half ginkgo]

chain axe is just chain axe, so whatever

[slow spade]

Will Chainaxe be relevant for the first time in over a year?

Lets see UwU

[half ginkgo]

i think it was relevant around may? i have stockpilled quite a number of chain axes then

[south garnet]

New chaxe appears to be, according to others, but I have yet to try it

[half ginkgo]

I only tried new eviscerator its.. an aquired taste for sure

better for elites, worse for hordes

[south garnet]

Heard the stab is weird, and it also sounds weird/out of character for it, but I'll just have to try it

I hope the shop plugin is fixed by the time I get home

[tall torrent]

New chainaxe feels nicer

Old chainaxe revved light is just weird to me

[half ginkgo]

its very reminscent of a csword push attack stab but with higher dmg

[south garnet]

Hmm, could be alright for poking a head in a mixed horde I guess, in theory

[flat pebble]

it ohks a decent amount of specials on headshot i noticed in the meat grinder

without needing to rev

[half ginkgo]

the problem is horde clear on it - heavies are pure strikedown and lights only go through 4 targets. you dodge more as a result and running out of dodges isn't unheard of

[tall torrent]

New chainaxe good
New evicerator good
New chainsword meh
New revolver is bolter but revolver
New laspistol is alright
New shovels are pretty good

[flat pebble]

granted it innately revs, the push stab

[south garnet]

But horde clear is like the one thing you want Evi to be good at lol. I dunno

[half ginkgo]

praise be the munitorum mk. 3 sapper shovel!

[frank ether]

vraks 7 defenders I need your opinion

[south garnet]

My baby. My darling

[flat pebble]

only damages 4 targets, cleaves through and can stagger up to 11 with ss

[frank ether]

for deadshot vraks 7, do you prefer surgical or headhunter

[half ginkgo]

unless you wanna heavy saw ragers. heavy special is noticeably faster on a new evis

[tall torrent]

The mk3 shovel actually kinda gives Rashad axe and power sword 6 a run for their money

[half ginkgo]

frankly, flamer + new evis might be a decent build

[flat pebble]

i’m looking forward to trying it out

i have a decent one lined up that’s a purp but i’m outta mats

[half ginkgo]

flamer or evis?

[flat pebble]

SHOVEL

[half ginkgo]

ah, sorry. nice then

[flat pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-fuego-gif-26833875

[terse idol]

Comobing the mk3 is actually so much fun, mid combo on a staggered horde, swap to the alt, stab a rager

Proceed with CLONK

[flat pebble]

oh no i didn’t mean shovel like that like

i am rejoicing

[tall torrent]

I think u can one shot a rager with WS heavy

[flat pebble]

the heretics shall soon know new bonks

[half ginkgo]

I plan to roll next mk 3 shovel after bolters, but dear Emperor, do I plan to pair it with exe stance plasma

[tall torrent]

Mk3 sapper shovel is the ultimate heretic vibe check honestly

[flat pebble]

i can get there with maniac

[flat pebble]

just donkin em

[south garnet]

One hits muties, one-two hits crushers. Fun to bury in the head of bombers and ragers. I like the attack pattern, still works great on horde clear and cc. Fun as shit to use, 10/10 from me.
Between this and the "I started blastin" revolver, especially in combination with the new tree, I feel spoiled

[tall torrent]

I think if u have uncanny u might be able to reach it without maniac

[flat pebble]

ya probably actually

[half ginkgo]

and it lays poxies fucking flat

[tall torrent]

I’m glad vet has a 3rd BiS melee contender now

[half ginkgo]

so roll skullrucher and decimator on it for light spam on hordes

[flat pebble]

yeah the h1->l1 feels nice for hordes in my limited testing

[cosmic crag]

Inquisition material

[tall torrent]

Mk3 sapper doesn’t have nearly as good defense as standard shovel tho

Way worse dodge distance

[mystic belfry]

Going to try making a mk3 shovel when I get off work tonight

[south garnet]

It's not a shovel used for digging, but it still puts people in the ground if you know what I'm saying if you catch my drift if you're picking up what I'm laying down

[half ginkgo]

best defense is a good offense, right, Soldier?

[slow spade]

One day Chainaxe will bis so it too can see the sun UwU

[mystic belfry]

No

I also need to remake my old shovel because I don’t thing it s old meta blessing is as such anymore

[flat pebble]

i have a 379 waiting for me with 20% unarmored, 20% flak and t3 uncanny and i need mats for the last roll and i’m so gambler-ready to see what the last roll is to see my final options

[half ginkgo]

may you get the roll and may the Hadron brick stay the fuck away In the Emperor's name

[cosmic crag]

It’s a shovel used for ending lives, for killing people, if you catch my meaning

[slow spade]

Me seeing all this melee talk knowing the best vets have unbound their melee buttons

[mystic belfry]

Only trash vets use mostly range

[slow spade]

Cringe, nurgle spy spotted

[frank ether]

@gusty bison I kinda see your point about running shout with vraks, especially this new patch I can finallly have a survivable build and throw in deadshot

[half ginkgo]

but are you unbound from ammo goblins ammo pickups?

[slow spade]

Mag dump this map

[south spindle]

Kek, i just played a game with Agri' BAG, p'much all ranged, super fun 😄

[slow spade]

Yes because I use Survivalist UwU

[mystic belfry]

Skill issue spotted

[south garnet]

Why vet still no belt fed hmmmmmmm?

[slow spade]

The spy continues, Vets mag dump this daemon

[south garnet]

What's with that anyway?

[slow spade]

Because Fatshark are also Nurgle spies

[untold moth]

Plasma is in such a good spot after the talent update

So cozy

[slow spade]

In fact Zola is looking like a Plaguebearer if you squint enough >.>

[half ginkgo]

if they give us a heavy bolter it should be belt fed and braced imho. 100 rounds capacity idgaf about swap/reload times

[slow spade]

Heavy bolter when?

[mystic belfry]

Two to three years

[slow spade]

I saw a named Catachan Devil use it so my rando in prison can use it

[south garnet]

When skitarii drops

[untold mulch]

I just came up from a OH ALL CRUSHERS director

I surely wished one

[celest vine]

I want an actual bolter

We got a California compliant bolter

[slow spade]

Storm bolter time

Megabolter for ogryns

[half ginkgo]

vulkan megabolter?

[slow spade]

2 of them because they have 2 hands

[half ginkgo]

based

[slow spade]

I didn't level Ogryn for nothing 💪💪💪

[south garnet]

I had one yesterday that was all bulwarks for the one match I had time to play. I had brought a HH. Made me so fucking mad

[slow spade]

Yeah Bulwarks are such a pain when bunched up

[untold mulch]

That one was the one before that we wiped in minutes

[half ginkgo]

still have to do it lol. the reason i am not doing it - i am fucking debating about which voice to roll with

[untold mulch]

This one Ogryn and I clutched hard

And I was with a lasgun

with only +10% rending

Emperor Protects

[slow spade]

You'd be surprised how easy it is to level when fueled by hate

I saw an Ogryn lose to poxwalker hordes and I thought "no way" and now i have a lvl 30 ogryn to know that player sucked ass

[half ginkgo]

yeah, but mate do you see the dilemma - Bodyguard or brawler? A russian sounding accent or "grut" everywhere in a sentence ogryn

[slow spade]

I don't have a psyker yet but I've been tempted

[south garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/impenetrable-hiya-throw-rock-attack-gif-12649512

[untold mulch]

I need to level my Zealot

[frank ether]

I'm testing a vraks build for exactly this scenario rn

[slow spade]

"They have Warp Rider and Puppeteer how can they suck?"

[untold mulch]

But somehow inevitably I actually did damage

[slow spade]

I chose bodyguard because I like the "sah" from ogryns

[untold mulch]

REMINDER THAT THE LASGUN EVENTUALLY CAN KILL ANYTHING

[frank ether]

probably helbore is the more consistent anti-carapace gun but what if dead vraks with %20 rending?

[half ginkgo]

heh, i was thinking to roll 5th char as purely staff pysker so idgaf about ammo or whatever

[frank ether]

its like 4000 something dps to crushers

[untold mulch]

Damn

[mystic belfry]

So can knife special attack

[half ginkgo]

i challenge you to do this with kantraels special

[slow spade]

Knife special attack a daemonhost to death

[elder vessel]

hit bad guy with chainsaw, it eats through the flesh and armor

[frank ether]

I could get it higher maybe, I dont have the %20 ogryn damage talent

[sharp epoch]

brawler says sah more

[untold mulch]

damn

[frank ether]

Though I dont think it matters

[elder vessel]

whats weird about it?

[frank ether]

for dps

[mystic belfry]

Okay

[south garnet]

Pre rending nodes nerf vraks 3 absolutely deleted crushers, I haven't tried it since

[frank ether]

like its all up to whether you crit or not for vraks guns

[slow spade]

Damn

[slow spade]

👍

[frank ether]

so focusing on ensuring I crit and have enough rending is all that prolly matters

[untold mulch]

I wish I could hide any mission below T4

[slow spade]

I have 5% base crit AND I'm not unlucky so I have 100% crit rate on Vraks

No need to build anymore

[frank ether]

this patch I think I can have %20 with marksman focus stacked up

[south garnet]

Crit is top priority on blessings for vraks yea

[frank ether]

the fruits of the new patch

[slow spade]

Crit is a dump stat if you're lucky

[south garnet]

Hopefully it goes well, would be nice to have the option

[frank ether]

it looks promising so far in psykharium

[mystic belfry]

80% critical bonus on the new revolver is dope

21% crit chance and like 23% bonus damage

[south garnet]

The 63% I rolled on my 380 is still killing me inside

[mystic belfry]

F

[tribal tangle]

what's the best lasgun for leveling?

[frank ether]

now the only problem is I cant decide between headhunter and surgical

[mystic belfry]

Laspistol

[slow spade]

Fun detected: deploying -50% damage hotfix

[mystic belfry]

Denied

[half ginkgo]

for leveling you pick whatever highest power you have

[slow spade]

I get surgical for the consistent value

[half ginkgo]

don't worry about the rest

[wanton dawn]

I did some quick testing with longshot bp on plasma. IMO it does not matter at all on gunner and flamer cuz those bp can already be reach through keystone mark passive. What it does allows though, is to reach unreliable OS setup like shotgunner bodyshot without dedicated perk. And that is way more pogger

[mystic belfry]

I have hand cannon and roulette on my current revolver

[south garnet]

Yea I use crucian on nuvolver

[mystic belfry]

Over fifty percent crit chance with deadshot

[frank ether]

yeah and having the option to crit even with a bodyshot is great as it means your gun doesnt fall-off a cliff on poorly aimed shots

but the problem is

[slow spade]

Bigger number better number, I also exclusively use charged shots on poxwalkers 😎

[frank ether]

I have deadshot mixed in there

[half ginkgo]

to add - i tried that fuckery specifically to mess with gunners. even when I went to 46 meters it wasn't enough

[frank ether]

I dont have the luxury to keep adsing

[flat pebble]

it’s the same on the old one iirc

[slow spade]

I do too and I still use surgical on helbore UwU

[mystic belfry]

The old one liked the ads crit chance one

This one likes roulette

[wanton dawn]

For shooter you need weakspot hit or way more buff

[south spindle]

I'm now totally convinced Agi'BAG is the chaddest gun in the game, thank you for coming to my TED talk

[frank ether]

helbore works good with it though

[half ginkgo]

for gunner you need +unarmored if we don't use a keystone

[frank ether]

due to charge time

[south garnet]

Crucian and handcannon plus deadshot on nuvolver because I just immediately start rattling off rounds as soon as I RMB, aiming is oldhat

[flat pebble]

oh i see your point now

[south garnet]

Plus +crit on dodge of course

[slow spade]

It has the biggest damage, it being the best was self-evident 💪💪💪

[wanton dawn]

I repeat what I said this morning: there is zero reason to prioritize gunner with plasma. If you really need to kill them you get the kill through mark anyway

[half ginkgo]

honestly, i still spec longshot and 30% reload, simply due to the fact that toughness regen from tag kill from mid keystone is enough for my toughness needs + gloryhunter IV

[frank ether]

hmm

[slow spade]

Gunners deserve a closed casket burial

Therefore stack damage

[serene sage]

Volley Adept is trash on Plasma

because the reload buff doesn't last for the whole reload

it lasts for like a quarter of the animation maybe

and you can animation cancel

[south garnet]

It's heavy, you get tired

[half ginkgo]

i just tested it for consistency reason when you have situation with rooms full of gunners and for some reason my tag sometimes decides to do random nonsense

[south garnet]

[frank ether]

I think I'd like marksman focus a lot more if tunnel vision gave some stamina back somehow

for a pure ranged dps focused keystone, no synergy with deadshot is insulting

[serene sage]

but it lasts for exactly the amount you need for the Bolter
it's glorious

[half ginkgo]

also, there aren't any other bp unless +cara and +elite

[wanton dawn]

Tag is annoying sometimes but at some point the question become: do you really need to OS gunner with plasma ?

[slow spade]

Team buffs though

If you don't, someone else could

[wanton dawn]

I am not even counting on mark buff here

[hallow tulip]

Deadshot goon with nuvolver?

[half ginkgo]

with braindead pug who rushes in there and no gunner resist on curio? yes, maybe, cuz i don't fancy rezzing their asses

[slow spade]

Ah thought you were arguing against tag on plasma

[serene sage]

the game could be cheesed really easily with 4 VoC vets

[wanton dawn]

Keep in mind that even if you don't kill, you gonna stun for a few seconds

[slow spade]

Especially with the stacking buffs lol

[serene sage]

and somehow pugs never figure it out

[wanton dawn]

Also if you have get hot or blaze, you might reach the BP through other means

[slow spade]

Indeed...

[frank ether]

the game could be cheesed really easily with any combination of competent teammates but I admit shout has a very low skill ceiling to be good with

[south garnet]

I will never willingly buff my team, who am I their dad? Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and get your own talents. When I was your level I only had 6 to choose from and only 3 were real options anyway, and I appreciated them.

[half ginkgo]

big ogryn brain question - do you think its worth stacking +combat ability regen on curio for voc setup?

[tropic imp]

Anyone knows if Thrust increases the damage on both parts of Sapper Shovel's Special Action?

[slow spade]

Yes because vet ults are strong as fuck

[half ginkgo]

ok, boomer

[half ginkgo]

then what 2 other perks i use? +stam + toughness?

[wanton dawn]

So instead of guaranteed some BP, I find more interesting to be able to reach some unreliable BP using other buff. Such as shotgunner bodyshot

[frank ether]

I dont see any reason why not, though you're also losing out on %15 base toughness potentially

[slow spade]

I put stamina and dockets but otherwise I put toughness

[serene sage]

so let's say you stack 3x4%CDR = 12%
12% of 30s is 3.6s
is it worth it? kinda? that lets you kills 2 specialists and have perma uptime shield instead of 2.5 which you have to round to 3

[slow spade]

Man was a win therefore good intro 💪💪💪

[whole moon]

I dont need no fkn barrel!

[half ginkgo]

imho, its piss easy, but its way way too dark during the evnts. praise be the recon players for provideing aim assistance

[slow spade]

I'll take even the smallest sliver to get my ult faster

So many ways to deny enemy threats

[serene sage]

OMG Recon BUFFS?????????????????????????

[steep vault]

what gun even is that

[south garnet]

Agree, makes drugs look cooler than they are which is still pretty cool. False advertising

[serene sage]

RECONS ARE BACK YOU HEAR IT HERE FIRST

[whole moon]

columnus

[frank ether]

honestly curios arent all that hard to get wrong you shouldnt feel afraid to experiment with them, as long as you dont go too glass cannon, which is hard to do with VoC

[steep vault]

jesus

have fun ig

[wanton dawn]

I went on a rant this morning cuz I was sold longshot on flamer and gunner BP and I was like: I don't care about those Mostly cuz yes, they are reachable throough mark

[whole moon]

truly? praise be to the Emperor

[half ginkgo]

but again - while gunner res is bis on other chars i feel its less impactful on vet. so I wan thinking about possible curio combos

[serene sage]

yeah new map is dark so recon flashlight is of use

it's so pog

[half ginkgo]

sorry wrong message quote

[serene sage]

dont do it again

[wanton dawn]

Then it becomes something about me not prioritizing gunner when they are like, the least threatening elite you can pick out of the bunch ?

[frank ether]

interesting I thought at least visually it was very well designed. Can't speak for the level design aspect. It was just pretty is all I can tell.

[languid rose]

Gentlemen

[slow spade]

I mean to be fair, there's reaper

[languid rose]

https://puu.sh/JW7sG/2519c995e2.png What perk would you change?

[serene sage]

I think the new mission is good, just really easy

Both new missions are easy, to be fair
The first was kinda rough until people figured out the defend point

[frank ether]

It is a tad easy but weeh

[half ginkgo]

melee crit probably to flak, alternatively maniac

[languid rose]

Blessings should stay right?

[obtuse raft]

I like the new mission, it does feel weirdly long though.

In comparison to the rest

[languid rose]

I want to think I got lucky with blessings

[half ginkgo]

blessings are good

[whole moon]

it is with a half decent team, Ive had some right numptys today

[slow spade]

It felt like me taking a stroll around the city

Like I never felt pressured

[whole moon]

just gotta take it easy and its fine

[languid rose]

(I do miss the first Carnival end part when everyone rushed to close the doors)

[wanton dawn]

Reaper have more pushback, they are better at the suppression job

[flat pebble]

what’s the consensus on the new chainsword?

[south garnet]

Fox is your shop plugin working again

[slow spade]

Ah I find them too vulnerable even gunners at least take cover

[whole moon]

havent used the zing yet but the new evis is amazing imo