veteran-class

[junior needle]

I think you've got it a bit confused. It being so low damage that it's basically a water gun isn't, or at least shouldn't be assuming anyone on the balance team has a functional brain, an intended design.

Fatshark just absolutely sucks at balance and is perfectly fine with leaving weapons in the dumpster for very long periods while being blissfully unaware of the reality on the ground.

You can have it do "less" damage without making it worthless compared to alternatives. One of the ways you can do that is with low weakspot multipliers (which it has). Or slightly lower baseline dps with perhaps more ammo efficiency to make up for it.

[flat pebble]

nvm when you said veterans for some reason my brain thought you meant people who have played the game for a while not … literal vets lol

[devout atlas]

shocktrooper nerfs should have never happened. idm recon being garbage DPS if its literally infinite ammo

[untold mulch]

EXACTLY

[forest blaze]

yah stop that 😂

[raw steppe]

shocktrooper and onslaught cannot exist together unfortunately

[midnight mortar]

Another sad case of FS not understanding when a weapon is good because of its innate charactertistics versus when it's good because it's carried by a talent.

[tardy turtle]

sadge

[untold mulch]

Like man, I don't give a single fuck if their dps is shit (but not too shit), if the ammo is so much that my only concern is hitting R once in a while

[raw steppe]

because you fundamentally kill the balance of different weapon types

[idle pecan]

is volatile good on plasma rifle

[trim steppe]

y u do dis

[sand oracle]

Am I missing something? Because the light recon las and the light IAG both do pretty much the same damage. They cut the recon las's damage by 20 points, which is 30%. That's totally reasonable for a weapon like that.

[flat pebble]

blaze away gets hot better

[sand oracle]

The only way to balance that and make recon good, is to also make IAG better.

[devout atlas]

Real...

[half ginkgo]

if charge is legit fixed now (which it seems) you really don't care about plasma blessings on a good base

[devout atlas]

wat

[forest blaze]

IIRC not really. I think it was/is bugged but you basically want blaze away/gets hot/shattering impact IIRC

[sand oracle]

Or to fundamentally change how the damage calculations change as they pertain to armor types.

[devout atlas]

IAGs are insane compared to recon

😭

what patch are u living in little bro?

[untold mulch]

Patch 12

[junior needle]

Yes, tell me which one is the light recon and the light IAG and I will do a video for both.

[sand oracle]

That's unfortunately by design.

[half ginkgo]

charge rate fix today. so far seems to work, excpet now you randomly get weird invisible plasma shots

[idle pecan]

i have blaze away + volitile

[trim steppe]

Recons did decent damage and had good (not perfect) ammo economy for like 2 weeks. They weren't incredibly overtuned and godly, just strong and viable for the first time. To completely dumpster that is beyond logic to me

[forest blaze]

I think I remember you saying that

[wet moon]

@formal lake can get the crusher 2=combo with scrusher/uncanny + carapace and focus target stacks

[idle pecan]

should i try to get a plasma with gets hot instead?

[untold mulch]

Because fuck us

[flat pebble]

this question applies to so many of the people in this discord rn lol

[half ginkgo]

change both perks to 25 unyielding and unarmored

[flat pebble]

across all the chats making comments

[sand oracle]

Colum five and Recon VID are the two comparable, and they have similar damage outputs ON THE ENEMIES THEY ARE MEANT TO FIGHT

[forest blaze]

should be fine. the blessings don't carry plasma like other guns. normally you'll be rolling off the base stats and perks

[devout atlas]

wat i can do 2 shot with just scrusher + 25% cara

[sand oracle]

It's just that recon lasgun fights enemies that it's not meant to

Because it's a lasgun

They have designed it this way, and they have designed it poorly.

[idle pecan]

so unyielding and unarmored?

[languid escarp]

I feel spoiled with being able to stack elite + ogryn/montrosity nodes again

[wet moon]

with special heavy into followup heavy or TWO special heavies?

[devout atlas]

too many people don't do a test run on auric damnation before judging a weapon, I've seen so many ppl call mk3 ass because they tried one with no perks/blessings in a test

[trim steppe]

but I dont want decent damage on hordes, I want it on actual threats

[languid escarp]

so. much. damage.

[rancid echo]

Veteran vet veterinarians

[sand oracle]

People keep misconstruing what I'm saying. I'm saying that they need to completely change something.

[flat pebble]

i agree with this but gets hot is just actually a fine blessing at t4

[devout atlas]

two special heavies sadgely

[sand oracle]

EXACTLY!

[tardy turtle]

its glorious

[devout atlas]

two special heavies sadgely

[untold mulch]

Magdump hordes

[devout atlas]

which is good nuff to me :P

[wet moon]

yeah no this one is one special heavy and the single follow up heavy. much faster

[forest blaze]

I do +flak +maniac but you can get away with unyielding and unarmored. It just depends on what you want dead right away.

+flak +maniac lets me kill every flamer in one hit from anywhere and that's too good

[sand oracle]

The way they've designed it sucks. It can't be balanced by just making it 'do more damage', without it outclassing the IAG

[languid escarp]

more damage more gooder

[viral nacelle]

Woah they massively bumped up plasteel income and nuked diamantine

[devout atlas]

oh thats swagalicious. I think I'll stick to scrusher + deci though. you should try deci with light spam on this its hilariously good hordeclear, outclasses many meta weps

[sand oracle]

They need to completely change their design philosophy, because ballistics and laser weapons have too much disparity to have effective weapons that are comprable to each other.

[devout atlas]

I've noticed and I adore that

[sand oracle]

This patch? That's great.

[forest blaze]

they shoulda let us grind up that diamantine into stimmies

[devout atlas]

wjat

WHAT IS THIS

[viral nacelle]

Indeed it is hot shit

[half ginkgo]

flakiac on plasma doesn't do any bps, excpet potential maulers coupled with blaze away

[wet moon]

uncanny is free dmg consistently. deci looks good but i can just push a lot to stack scrusher

[flat pebble]

this is among the preferred choices for the meta, unyielding is obvious and unarmored for the one tap to dreg gunners

[untold mulch]

What

[flat pebble]

i like that perk combination myself on plasmas

[devout atlas]

IT WENT AWAY

FUCK

[half ginkgo]

unarmoed gives you derg gunner uncharged bp, and unyielding is simply boss damage boost

[viral nacelle]

Also idk if they changed it but vraks 7 feelin punchier this patch

[south garnet]

probably related to the redacted part of the patch notes

[untold mulch]

YOU

[forest blaze]

it does on mine to one shot body all flamers

[south garnet]

you should have just CLICKED IT AND PLAYED IT DUMMY

[devout atlas]

I SHOULDVE JUST CLICKED IT GRAH

[south garnet]

WHAT ARE YOU DOING

[languid escarp]

new cooking mechanic

[sand oracle]

Give new pennances plz

[hollow turtle]

Was that a flash mission you just missed? XD

[untold mulch]

FLASH MISSION

[nimble sentinel]

your father

[untold mulch]

[sand oracle]

Fatshark new pennance plz

[half ginkgo]

and my plasma kills them without maniac or specialist

[devout atlas]

a WHAT

[flat pebble]

plasma has highly variable breakpoints depending on the damage and stopping power

[karmic musk]

Plasma def needs some tuning

Next patch maybe

[hollow turtle]

It's one of the things mentioned in a penance about completing flash missions.

[forest blaze]

hwhich is why I do flakiac

[sand oracle]

How we feeling about the new laspistol compared to the old one?

[half ginkgo]

79% dmg and 80% stopping roll tho

[sand oracle]

'cause I like the meaty sound of it

[umbral scaffold]

karnak twins: teleports behind you nothing personal vet

[half ginkgo]

58 charge

[south garnet]

you could've been the first guy and now you're not, you gave it up to ask a question. never ever stop to think about ANYTHING, EVER, just DO

[languid escarp]

would be very cool if they update Field Improv to also have added effects with stimmies

[trim steppe]

idk, I get what you're saying, but the recon 6d at patch 13 felt pretty similar to CIAG now. Even if recon was all around 10% better than CIAG, it doesn't mean the CIAG is worthless or its bad design. We already have OP weapons but not everyone runs them 24/7 because people like trying different stuff. A straight buff to the recon would just make it a viable option like anything else.

[sand oracle]

It's what the Emprah would have wanted 🙏

[hollow turtle]

Lol yeah. Could've been the first person to do a flash mission, but you had to ask us.

[flat pebble]

sure but you can’t just give a recommendation to others in a vacuum, which you did by recommending flakiac without clarifying that it’s a breakpoint for you but specifically a static thing that always helps that BP

[devout atlas]

you ever like

not even take any damage

but you see your team

[flat pebble]

which is all that was being said

[devout atlas]

50 meters behind you

[silent nebula]

What is an IAG (I live under many rocks)

[viral nacelle]

Is it not possible to kill the Karnak twits? They seem to fart and flee at 1/3rd hp

[devout atlas]

while you've solo'd 18 gunners

and leave

because what the fuck

[slow spade]

And dead

[hollow turtle]

All the time.

[faint perch]

has ET been fixed?

[untold mulch]

Looks like they are cowards

[trim steppe]

infanty autogun

[flat pebble]

this is what’s been repeated in here so far

[devout atlas]

they were in a bubble struggling against 2 ragers

[silent nebula]

Ah

[devout atlas]

💀

[slow spade]

The best part is them being like 90% dead

Lol

[trim steppe]

got fixed last patch

[viral nacelle]

Idk why I need bosses that fart at me when I beat them up 😂

[faint perch]

thanks

[hollow turtle]

I'm usually left behind while dealing with the gunners and specials running up behind us.

[sand oracle]

I think it's main thing needs to be ammo econ because... It's a lasweapon. It's damage can probably be touched up to be 20% less, instead of 30%~, but I think the appeal of las weapons over autoguns has always been the fact you have unlimited ammo. As it stands, recon just chews through it too fast.

[forest blaze]

not everyone has the max roll max damage/stopping power/charge rate to hit those bps off raw stats. Your statement cuts both ways, homie. For his gun, he's likely going to need flakiac to hit bps on flamers

[sand oracle]

I believe it needs more ammo reserve

[untold mulch]

Nurgle

[slow spade]

Struggling against ragers is the biggest red flag now 😔

[devout atlas]

they were, i looked back at my replay and the kill feed featured 1 rager while i doinked a million gunners and shotgunners

😭

[nimble sentinel]

Nurgle is literally the god of gas, grass, AND ass

[untold mulch]

FUCK

[open cosmos]

Slaanesh is the god of ass

[flat pebble]

i actually just said it was among the common meta choices, you just stated flakiac with no qualifications. also flak has no bearing on flamers i’m not sure why you keep including that

[half ginkgo]

go in grinder now, put it on Damnation and see if you can kill flamers, gunners, dogs, shotgunners with 1 uncharged HS

[untold mulch]

THE SPECIAL ASSIGNMENT SPAWNED FOR A MILISECOND

[devout atlas]

190k plasteel... that'd make me 1.5 good trauma force staves /hj

[untold mulch]

IN MY SCREEN

[viral nacelle]

Deadshot + fully loaded + shock trooper makes it literally impossible to run out of las ammo

[untold mulch]

WTF

[nimble sentinel]

anal =/= ass

[sand oracle]

This is a certified touch grass moment (There is no more grass in Warhammer 40k)

[trim steppe]

It'd probably still be too slow to kill but it would be a VAST improvement since you'd have infinite ammo. So I agree with you more or less

[karmic musk]

Utter degeneracy

[forest blaze]

theres a flak and a maniac flamer, right?

[devout atlas]

they're both maniac, one just looks flak lol

[silent nebula]

Ok now I'm gonna hunt for that special assignment and see if I crash if I manage to click it

[devout atlas]

common misconception

[flat pebble]

there’s a scab and a dreg flamer

they’re both maniac

[forest blaze]

👍

[hollow turtle]

It's funny how plasteel is not a problem after you've already acquired your main build.

[half ginkgo]

btw after the patch today bombers head is unarmored

[untold mulch]

Is appearing ot me for a split seccond if I spam the mission selection

[sand oracle]

Well, if you want fast TTK to kill you go with autoguns. It's moreless always been that way moreless... 'cept that time when MG 12 lasgun just had the objective best combination of blessings.

[junior needle]

6d has extra shit dps against both unyielding and maniac, with still shit dps against flak. Also bad ammo economy across the board.

Columnus has great-absolutely insane dps across the board and comparatively great ammo economy.

Given the prevalence of a wide variety of enemy types and how important dealing with maniacs in a timely manner is, having guns that just shouldn't be used against them is unhealthy game design imo.

[sand oracle]

It's a tradeoff between TTK and convenience, in terms of ballistic weapons and lasweapons.

[flat pebble]

i saw this and was like ok i guess

[silent nebula]

...once I sort out my 40 vet loadouts WHY DID I DO THAT RIGHT BEFORE THE 3RD TALENT TREE UPDATE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[hollow turtle]

So what's zola up to this patch?

[languid escarp]

bruh

[neat sluice]

plasma gun fucked now for anybody???

[empty creek]

random auric mael drop finally doing me justice

[languid escarp]

tf you gon do with 40 loadouts

[flat pebble]

yeah it stole my gf

[south garnet]

fucked how

[hollow turtle]

Oh shit, no wonder why I've been feeling confused today. Cyberpunk also released their 2.1 update today too.

[flat pebble]

the one from canada i keep mentioning

[slow spade]

Finish organizing Vet -> massive rework drops

Fatshark is fucking with you clearly

[neat sluice]

it sometimes wont shoot on a quick swap

[empty creek]

go find her dumbass

[silent nebula]

"Ooh another cosmetic, I should make another loadout for it"

[neat sluice]

will not have a projectile after a shot

[untold mulch]

Yeah Columnus surpsasses Recon so much is silly

[neat sluice]

just very fucking wonky

[idle pecan]

by gunner you mean scab gunner right

[empty creek]

it's only if ur spamming

[silent nebula]

(Also I have 3 vets for all 3 personalities)

[deft lotus]

Except for not being a laser weapon so therefore it loses

[faint perch]

wow this new tree is way better

[half ginkgo]

dreg, but would not hurt to check for both

[empty creek]

slower shots will have sound & projectile

[obtuse raft]

I've seen people say that the plasma is still firing but it's just invisible

[untold mulch]

BASED

[empty creek]

it is

[neat sluice]

yeah it was not like this last patch

[deft lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/cool-epic-cool-guy-gif-20648330

[untold mulch]

I DIDN'T BOUGHT THE GAME TO SHOOT BULLETS AT HERETICS

[hollow turtle]

My vet's appearance is based on the playstyle.
I mean. Of course you gotta give the helbore/shovel or chainsword build to the Krieg attire.

[sand oracle]

That's what I'm saying. It's not just a damage issue. The gun sucks because the way they made everything else made it suck. Lasweapons: High accuracy, high ammo, high unarmored / infested / lesser extent flak damage. Autoguns: High damage, high penetration. These are the expense of things, and the way their philosophy panned out a las SMG sucks ass by design unless it's just given a pass and made stronger becauase a las SMG will inevitably only be good at horde clear. Which will be great, if you didn't have an easier, more convenient option for horde clear.

It would be great if we didn't have melee weapons.

But we do.

[untold mulch]

Hold your horses inquisitor I bought the game to shoot at heretics with LAS

[half ginkgo]

damn, now i really want to farm a pf + surgical boltor and pair it with Onslaught just for mag dumping purposes into crushers

[fresh mango]

[sand oracle]

So recon las needs a tune up - but what I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS ENTIRE TIME

[idle pecan]

i cant kill dogs in 1 hs

[flat pebble]

is this recon lasgun discussion still ongoing

[sand oracle]

IS THAT IT IS NOT THE WEAPON'S FAULT, AND IT IS BY DESIGN

[hollow turtle]

salvageable

[soft solstice]

did they nerf the dodge on the shovels? because the dodge numbers feels way lower than before

[slow spade]

Recon bad

[sand oracle]

I don't even know why people are arguing with me?

[untold mulch]

Recon bad

[empty creek]

the world's worst powersword is finally complete

[sand oracle]

Recon bad

[slow spade]

Bug fix on shovel "nerfed" it

[languid escarp]

Recon bad

[flat pebble]

because it’s not a meaningful point to make that it’s bad by design

[silent nebula]

Recon bad

[half ginkgo]

Can you kill a yeallo gunner with heavy stubber in T5 Grinder with 1 uncharged headshot

[flat pebble]

it shouldn’t be bad by design

[fresh mango]

What do i replace the poxwalker perk wtih, flak?

[wanton dawn]

I am poorer cuz i bought all free skin

[deft lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/fraz-bradford-meme-world-of-tanks-albania-gif-20568566

[soft solstice]

I saw that there was a fix that removed the extra dodge from the defense stat but I didn't see that about dodge distance

[empty creek]

did the recon lasrifles get buffed or

do they still suck ass

[flat pebble]

nop

[slow spade]

Yeah never a bad idea

[hollow turtle]

Plasteel, not docket.

[sand oracle]

Then they could have said that instead of trying to argue semantics.

[trim steppe]

this one

[empty creek]

all ur fault tyler

[soft solstice]

dodge distance was the main thing I meant, since the dodge distance on the shovel felt close to the knife before

[silent nebula]

I bet they got nerfed again

[flat pebble]

pot, meet kettle i guess

[wanton dawn]

Forgot that the man is playing dock curios

[slow spade]

They got ignored which is arguably good for the recons considering their track record

[untold mulch]

The same as a Nurgle party

[half ginkgo]

man, if I can ask - how many hrs do you have on Darktide?

[swift ingot]

New Laspistol fucks, and the ost in the new map fucks even harder

[idle pecan]

yeallo?

[half ginkgo]

yo, that's an efficiency

[sand oracle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/735819155608961044/1094812115027628142/attachment-2-1-1.gif

[slow spade]

Omg its John Darktide

[flat pebble]

i only used in like 3 games it weren’t me govna

[silent nebula]

Laspistols are unironically better at spamming than recon las because shock trooper actually works with them

[untold mulch]

In mine its translated to spanish

Is this gonna be an event any moment?

[sand oracle]

Yeah, pretty much.

[half ginkgo]

fatfingered word yellow

[deft lotus]

People on reddit have like 2k thats like 83 days of straight darktide OST

[empty creek]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1155332843904442368/1181231382282907759/cash_gtfo.gif?ex=65804e73&is=656dd973&hm=400da5ab93b8d9a9acdb518bff2f56603f764f4db739346244f4fa1ecc5c099e&

[hollow turtle]

1 achievement left for me and its the grenade to sniper toss on the zealot. And I hate playing zealot.

[serene sage]

them eyes "what u gonna do about it"

[trim steppe]

how do you have 7000 missions of each type complete? Those are gonna take me years

[idle pecan]

almost

[slow spade]

Sedition spam UwU

[untold mulch]

Pretty much, I use it to substitute my tears of rage

[deft lotus]

Prob speedrunning tier 1s

[empty creek]

zealot's a lot of fun WDYM how dare U not have the correct opinion

i only play quickplay solo

thats my favorite map

[deft lotus]

I cant do that

[south garnet]

this unlocked a very specific time period in my skull chamber

[trim steppe]

this is the way

[slow spade]

Oh I wonder if Heavy Laspistol has the higher base crit like the normal laspistol

[deft lotus]

Gaming laptop wont keep up past damnation

[silent nebula]

Ah hell the krieg greatcoat remains pancaked

[deft lotus]

Mk ultra

[empty creek]

coattails glued 2 ur ass

[slow spade]

No

[serene sage]

is every maelstrom map soloable?

[slow spade]

Oh ok

[tawny sparrow]

What do you guys recommend here? What do I change/what blessings do I fish for?

[sand oracle]

It doesn't appear to, running tests on it now.

[slow spade]

I'm running that mod now 👀

[slow spade]

Aw

[empty creek]

the dclaw will 4ever be better than this hunk of shit

fuck powerswords

[half ginkgo]

how it is in general?

[serene sage]

based?

[slow spade]

It shoot good

[sand oracle]

It feels worse than regular laspistol, but I don't have any blessings on it yet.

[nimble sentinel]

hold up fellas

[sand oracle]

It can almost keep up DPS with some lucky crits

[tardy turtle]

no

[slow spade]

Crit build it is UwU

[untold mulch]

damn

[sand oracle]

I imagine with infernus and dumdum/ghost it would do more dps

[empty creek]

i can carry the world using a dclaw

[flat pebble]

should be good for zealot then

[junior needle]

That's what I'm saying. It's not just a damage issue.

It really is just a damage issue, and partly a blessing issue. You're thinking way too much into this, also you're incorrect on some accounts like modifiers. They're just severely undertuned, that's the only problem. They don't need to match the peak output of IAG's doing headshots to be good weapons, they just need to be comparable in general performance.

They can have less finesse damage, this is fine, it is "easier" to get headshots on them. They can have a bit lower body shot damage too, provided they have a deeper ammo pool to compensate. There are other, better guns that are stable during automatic fire and don't have this issue.

The damage mods aren't even consistent across las weapons. Infantry las is shit against flak and very good against maniac for example. Laspistol is pretty generalist with modifiers.

[flat pebble]

will probably put be harder to bottom out on ammo on zealot with the new laspistol

[empty creek]

dawg they added a snack table 2 the practice zone

yummy little treats

[half ginkgo]

before I get poor rolling Bolter's with Brunt's what would be the minimum stability % to aim? 60? 70?

[slow spade]

Tldr: recon bad

[edgy condor]

Now that charge rate affecting damage on a plasma gun negatively is supposedly fixes, would it be worth it to swap out shattering impact for volatile on this?

[tardy turtle]

that's great, but I lawnmower everything with power sword with one swing

[serene sage]

now try it with 2-3 stacks of Focus Fire instead of 8 which is more realistic

[tardy turtle]

everything on screen just beheaded

[serene sage]

shatter is still really good imo

[sand oracle]

SCRATCH WHAT I SAID, IT HAS PEN

[tardy turtle]

very satisfying

[serene sage]

no need to finesse a good blessing for another good blessing?

[slow spade]

Rip

I can only shitpost

Can't play

[serene sage]

you're at home bro, keep playing

[edgy condor]

yeah and I'm already used to NOT having the faster charging... guess I'll leave it be

[nimble sentinel]

still not bad

[serene sage]

real, me, too, not home for another 3 hours

[tardy turtle]

Though I'm biased toward power sword sense Hadron keeps bricking the devil claw swords on my vet

[serene sage]

okay, respectable

[slow spade]

[serene sage]

before we overract, is recon back on the menu?

[short wigeon]

Now pop a damage stim

[sand oracle]

Heavy laspistol has better entity penetration, it seems - so it'll be better for shooting at specials in Hordes.

[slow spade]

If it is, I'll contact Fatshark for a quick hotfix nerf

[sand oracle]

Which is a very good niche, and I think makes it on par with the speedy one

[zealous wyvern]

is recon back?!

[serene sage]

doing god's work

[zealous wyvern]

do i get to actually use it now?

[slow spade]

Pen the poxwalker to aggro the daemonhost 💪💪💪💪

[flat pebble]

hard to say, 60+ should be ok

[zealous wyvern]

i was busy levelling when it was strong

[empty creek]

psword can't parry crusher overheads

[serene sage]

yes! please be our test rat

[nimble sentinel]

same build with a columnus

[empty creek]

NGL the psword is offensive & the dclaw is defensive & it's just a preference

[slow spade]

Columbus bad, recon good

[zealous wyvern]

i am levelling a character and have no access to this build

[slow horizon]

how vile

[empty creek]

recon lasrifles R probably the best in the game RN

[serene sage]

shocktrooper colum so pog

[sharp ember]

is shocktrooper still bricked for recon crit strings

[nimble sentinel]

brb fellas gotta go to the kitchen

[slow spade]

Its for the RP

[silent nebula]

Hadron is rapidly approaching your location

[serene sage]

so true bestie

[untold mulch]

Las weapons balance feel a lot like "random shit go"

[azure zephyr]

Aight so quick question about the mark 3 and mark 6 power swords, what's their differences overall? And also what's the advantages and disadvantages of the two sapper shovel variants?

[empty creek]

THX bestie

[untold mulch]

Recon bad

[snow pendant]

6 charged combo with power cycler can 1 combo kill carapace

[empty creek]

the mark 3 is crowd control & the mark 6 has this stab push shit that everybody abuses 2 kill the big armored guys

beyond that, preference

just different attack patterns

[nimble sentinel]

tried it out with this abomination for the lols

[slow spade]

Keep in mind mk3 can also do the push combo just less damage

[halcyon summit]

Anyone else getting plasma gun audio bugs?

[empty creek]

quit spamming ur gun doofus

[serene sage]

so pog, now shoot a maniac

[slow spade]

No because I have the Litany of Faith on youtube looping 24/7

[halcyon summit]

I’m a Plasma cowboy

[sharp ember]

mk3 psword can activate while running without having to slide to not slow down

mk6 also has built-in block efficiency

[empty creek]

dude i dared pick a recon just 2 see how poopshit they actually were & played maelstrom & i shit U not, i had like 10 people leave as soon as they saw me using it

[azure zephyr]

Than all the reason I need to use the mark 3 and stick to it.

[untold mulch]

I mean I am more concerned about flak damage, than about its usefulness against Crushers

[empty creek]

like i beat the mission fine, just after having multiple people be like "naw" & fuck off

[slow spade]

LOL its rep has fallen so low that even the randoms picked up on it

[empty creek]

everybody sucks

[empty creek]

it's the cheese touch

[sharp ember]

did something happen to recon or is this just new tree possibilities

[empty creek]

recon's been shit these past few months

[empty creek]

they're the worst weapons U could choose RN

[terse idol]

That's not baad

[empty creek]

unless if ur a psyker

[languid escarp]

is there a bug with hound sounds? I could have sworn a hound sneaked up on me with no sound cue whatsoever

[sharp ember]

did something good* happen to recon

[terse pecan]

Newbie question: Does "leave no one behind" work with the shout rez?

[empty creek]

they got added 2 the game

[finite imp]

shame those monsters move

[terse idol]

Why would you even choose the worse weapon for the psyker

[terse idol]

Well usually infront of you lol

[nimble sentinel]

full aggreement there, I'm cooking a build to take in a real game

[terse idol]

Its not hard to hit those shots

[empty creek]

the 10% chance 2 explode somebody's head happens many times if ur using a rifle that shoots hundreds of lasers

think bro

[nimble sentinel]

this is just a proof of concept meme-ing my way to all the rend talents

[untold mulch]

tree possibilities

[untold mulch]

Pretty much

[edgy condor]

Wow, with the new tree changes you're actually allowed to have fun building a veteran again. This feels very nice, bravo fatshark for listening to the community and fixing the terrible, lengthy, no choice allowed tree

[minor brook]

whats the best blessings for the new revolver

[azure zephyr]

Sapper shovel is fucking fun holy shit.

[untold mulch]

I mean, speak for yourself, I am terrible at keeping headshots

I don't got bad aim per se, but my hand instinctively aims for body

[edgy condor]

better than power sword though?

[empty creek]

powersword dont feel all that good anymore

[nimble sentinel]

AIGHT! I'm taking this to an auric

[hoary stratus]

eager to hear the report

[empty creek]

show su the skilltree

(please)

[edgy condor]

I didn't see that it got any nerfs this patch?

[empty creek]

im incredibly biased

[pastel geode]

It’s in his vid

[nimble sentinel]

it's in the vid but I'll makes a games lantern page rn

[elder vessel]

Bro didn't watch the vid

[empty creek]

oh i paused after 3 seconds

the crusher kill got me sold

[azure zephyr]

Honestly... kinda

mark 3 power sword is wonderful for just shredding hordes though

[terse idol]

That's valid for sure

[neat sluice]

blessings my man

[neat sluice]

is the holy recon finally back?!

[terse idol]

I mean at least it seems to put down some enemy types abit faster

[empty creek]

the build has 2 surround it but perhaps

i might try it too since i have a few gnarly rolls in the inventory

[untold mulch]

way too used to tac shooters

Don't make it fancy, just drop his ass

[terse idol]

Yeah center mass

😌

[untold mulch]

at best I do the

2 chest 1 head

[nimble sentinel]

heresy

[terse idol]

My aim typically just goes chest to neck

[untold mulch]

LASGUN IS ENOUGH

[terse idol]

[untold mulch]

[unreal bone]

New laspistol lol

[untold mulch]

yep, it happens

[nimble sentinel]

leagle

[empty creek]

https://tenor.com/view/the-last-of-us2-tlou2-abby-ellie-punch-gif-17913049

[karmic musk]

Need Exe Stance

[empty creek]

brute knuckles when

[nimble sentinel]

let me cook omgggggg

[untold mulch]

this hurts to watch

[wanton dawn]

the ranged twin feels unecessarily tanky

[empty creek]

U play a game where U explode thousands of people & rip them in half & shit & ur telling me that the 4 second loop gif of a fistfight got U scratching ur head

[drowsy kayak]

oh shit recon is good again?

[static timber]

you're going to jail dude

[sharp ember]

what we thinking about mk3 shovel vs mk7?

[untold mulch]

Nah, is the context, I hate TLOU 2

[karmic musk]

Ranged twin when the director shits on you is a death sentence

[empty creek]

i take it back i understand fully

[untold mulch]

Ellie deserved better

😔

[empty creek]

the people who bitched AB joel dying didn't understand the point of the series let alone how it set up the plot but yeah everything else kind-of sucked

abby was cool

[junior needle]

No, aside from the tree being better (which buffs everything else too) they got no direct positive changes. Infernus also got a nerf due to burn effects not applying onslaught anymore.

They’re the same. Although the psykanium fluffer talents are more in reach for taking multiples, so I imagine you’ll see more “uh look at this INSANE CRAZY DPS I CAN GET” showcases.

[empty creek]

i was almost fine w/ the game till i realized that it was unironically a metaphor 4 israel & palestine & immediately hated the dude who directed the story

[unreal bone]

So which chainsword is better the original or new?

[livid warren]

Disagree, she had I coming

[static timber]

is there a page w/ good builds people have after the update today?

[drowsy kayak]

aw shame that

[unreal bone]

Melk store is it worth?

[neat sluice]

hell no

[half ginkgo]

absolutely not

[neat sluice]

the plasma is fucked for you too?

[untold mulch]

Stopping POwer it has sucks

[neat sluice]

The plasma is so bugged rn

[pine snow]

WHAT HAPPENED TO PLASMA

[empty creek]

only use melk's store 2 get blessings bro

nothing else

save dat cash

[pine snow]

what did they do to my child

[neat sluice]

try quick swapping and then shooting it

the projectiles dont shoot out

also it just wont fire when you shoot it sometimes

[finite imp]

I wouldn't take a shit for less than a 350

[neat sluice]

especially when switching from melee trying to snipe out a special in the horde

plasma gun has ed rn

[unreal bone]

Wym?

Did they break plasma more?

[finite imp]

Guess y'all will have to pick a fun weapon now

[neat sluice]

lemme screencap it rq

[unreal bone]

I stg bro..

They better not have broken plasma even more.

[mellow adder]

So the new chainsword is more single target while the old one is Crowd Control?

[drowsy kayak]

seems like with the strikedown

although I don't like how the shove attack isn't the poke anymore

[sharp ember]

its more like horde clear lights and strikedown heavies

but each string has 1 attack of the opposite property for whatever reason

reminds me of ironhelm thunder hammer in that way

[drowsy kayak]

oh so its like the original eviscerator?

[neat sluice]

wtf so my game crashed and now that im playing again the plasma gun is fixed

[finite imp]

Y'all just fyi

The new knife has a block stab

And it hit hard

[neat sluice]

loading into the psykanium and its not fucked, if it happens again during gameplay ill clip it

[finite imp]

I love the new knife

[frank ledge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/18be2z5/new_revolver_is_pretty_good/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=13&utm_content=share_button

[opal crag]

What is the best melee for ranged vt , where light are cleave and Heavy are single hits ?

[drowsy kayak]

I saw a reccomend for the new knife in the psyker chat

[sharp ember]

yeah kinda, but it doesn't have a good heavy > light loop for horde clear, you gotta rely on lights because idk how to easily access the horizontal heavy easily

[strange crow]

Ig that's fair, but the GM17 had very little in the way of outward projection and internal structure as opposed to the SBR, which at least had some (still not to the degree as the Krieg masks ofc)

[gray sun]

alright I just started downloading the update
what happened to the vet?

[tacit hearth]

All i want for sanguinala, is a 50 round boxmag godwyn deaz bolter

let me rip it down the lanes

[drowsy kayak]

bottom tree rework

[terse idol]

Talent tree got squished so its easier to get yo keystones it looks

[neat sluice]

skill tree is nice 🙂

[serene sage]

we have came full circle ladies and gentlemen
a post originated from here was posted to reddit and posted back here again

[gray sun]

oh neat

[drowsy kayak]

close quarters killzone being at the top is very nice

[tight dragon]

can we just get the super secret mission already, at least we'd finally get a decent material farm

[terse idol]

[opal crag]

What is the best melee for ranged vt , where light are cleave and Heavy are single hits ?

[calm prairie]

power sword 6

[terse idol]

You want strike down melee?

With cleave....

[calm prairie]

well idk about THE best but its a very good option

[opal crag]

something that is good vs both hordes and armored

hmm

[languid escarp]

Bromentum moment

[terse idol]

I mean Dclaw (forgot which number)
Has a strike down on one of its heavy hits and a stab on the push and shove

[drowsy kayak]

catachan IV maybe?

[terse idol]

Not very good vs crushers imo

The Rashad combat axe is still good for single crushers that might be what you want

the new shovel

[sharp ember]

an optimized combat axe with Brutal Momentum

[drowsy kayak]

The catachan IV and VII have the same Overhead/Cleave heavies with swapped orders

The IV is Overhead first, the VII is Sweep first

[terse idol]

is also very good vs hordes and with the special attack you can dome crushers

[drowsy kayak]

I do wanna try the new sapper shovel after seeing that crusher dome clip

[sharp ember]

in one of my builds, my combat axe 1-shots bruiser melee infantry with just one stack of decimator, letting me cleave multiple with BM

[dense gyro]

what blessings should I run on this bad boy?

[sharp ember]

0 stacks if another vet is running Fire Team i believe

[wanton dawn]

yeah, combat axe can one kill bruiser with talent alone

[umbral scaffold]

im never getting dumdum for my iag unfortunately

[grizzled pebble]

Antax/rashad goated melee weapon.

[finite imp]

THEY NERFED FIRE

HAHAAHA

[untold mulch]

Instead of melting your toughness

[terse idol]

Finally the curio for res vs flamers isnt useless

[untold mulch]

Fire now melts you back to your atoms

[unreal bone]

What happened to plasma

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/chiquichico-gif-26004262

[unreal bone]

someone said it was more broken

[terse idol]

Who

What the

They fixed the CR bug

[unreal bone]

Wait they fixed charge rate?

[terse idol]

Yrah

[sharp ember]

apparently immediately shooting it after taking it out is non-responsive

[wanton dawn]

Plasma is fixed but it has issue with shot not having animation

[unreal bone]

I heard something along these lines.

[viral nacelle]

Wait what??

[dense gyro]

there are issues with the registration of it firing and the animation not playing from when I played it

[edgy condor]

also experiencing the exact same thing

[wanton dawn]

registration is fine, but animation sometimes is not here

[drowsy kayak]

fire no longer nukes your toughness instantly

yippee

[viral nacelle]

Blessed

[edgy condor]

fire is worse

[terse idol]

It doesn't burn your toughness instantly yeah

[wanton dawn]

Fire nukes your HP instead

[viral nacelle]

This will make the fire oceans much more tolerable

[sharp ember]

standing in fire quickly ramps up health damage tho

[terse idol]

But it does ramp up damage when you stand in it for longer

[dense gyro]

fr tho what should I run on this plasma

[drowsy kayak]

i will take that over toughness getting nuked

[edgy condor]

it may not nuke your toughness instantly but it just flat out does more damage to compensate

[viral nacelle]

That explains some stuff

[wanton dawn]

ALSO DO NOT RESET IF YOU GET RESED ON FIRE

[untold mulch]

Fires throws you back to the primordial fire

[drowsy kayak]

I hated getting caught out by a bomber and seeing my entire toughness dissapear

[untold mulch]

POV: You are in the Sun

[viral nacelle]

Does bomber resist do anything now?

Or is it still boot resist?

[sharp ember]

they said this change made their curios more relevant so hopefully

[silent nebula]

I CLICKED IT!
...but now i'm just staring at Zola standing around with Melk's animation

[viral nacelle]

No keystone zealot with vraks7 is very based

[amber cliff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/814243094039232532/1079947245874577409/trim.02DDC021-0735-40FB-8A75-0724DBFD761E.mp4

[terse idol]

Well yeah because before flamer res only reduced their kick damage

[drowsy kayak]

anyone find out if the new laspistol is worth building?

[terse idol]

In theory it now reduces the amount of fire damage you take

[finite imp]

Skill. Issue.

[flint garden]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1181627347217154089/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.12.05_-_07.24.19.02.DVR_-_Trim.mp4?ex=6581bf39&is=656f4a39&hm=f8a0677b6af497b4bccb790e47cd8f058bb134cac6dbc26f121a0166b97e4682& what the fck

[trim steppe]

Just finished my first match of the new patch. Plasma gun still CLAPS CHEEKS. One of the twins showed up during a hound wave and it was tense, basically an assassination boss + some other mechanics (poison nades?). The new vet tree feels great but OH LORD hit reg feels even more sloppy than ever, everything felt loose and disconnected all match long

[flint garden]

nerf my ass

[terse idol]

Well it didn't nuke your toughness instantly

That is a nerf

[viral nacelle]

The twits seem very irrelevant, they go down super fast

The fart cloud annoying tho

[terse idol]

It takes 2 seconds now

[edgy condor]

and that is why i hate the change

[flint garden]

now it only nukes your hp

[terse idol]

Now grab flamer resistance on curio and test it

[devout atlas]

is the new knife any good on Vet? It's insane on Zealot rn

[terse idol]

For flamahs

[mellow adder]

I run a Shotgun/revolver sniping build and was wondering am I in the wrong if I don't take the keystones for Marksman? I'm not really a fan of it since you lose stacks while moving and I am on the move constantly because standing still equals death

[flat pebble]

you don’t have to remain stock still

[untold mulch]

[umbral scaffold]

does anyone know if theres a revolver reload speed cap

[sharp ember]

Gets Hot is free extra damage from crits, Blaze Away too. But there isn't a hard blessing meta for plasma. This one has too low stopping power to do any fancy breakpoint tuning but switch Infested to Maniac

[edgy condor]

imo, tagging stuff for buffs keystone is the superior one for most any ranged-focused build

[drowsy kayak]

from the few times I played with it you can keep the stacks up decently fine if you get heads but

[elder vessel]

They took "instant toughness destruction" and made it almost instant and took your healthbar with it

[halcyon zephyr]

what are those seals next to their portraits?

[terse idol]

Probably Blaze it, if you don't have a very high stopping power imo, I would try to squeeze as much damage as you can

[strange crow]

I don't usuauly spend talent points on the keystone if I go right side on talent tree, but apparently both having it and not having it are viable

[flat pebble]

for shotgun sniping you do kinda want marksman

[nimble sentinel]

got 2 boss fights that I need to downscale to share

[terse idol]

But volatile is kinda good now

[drowsy kayak]

the pc seal

[nimble sentinel]

thoughts on recon in a moment

[terse idol]

Maybe gets hot would be more value

With volatile when you have low stopping power

[halcyon zephyr]

power cycler seal? How'd flatfish realize I wanted this?

[untold mulch]

Rogue Trader in 2 days

I need it

[halcyon zephyr]

worth about 3k in barter bucks

[untold mulch]

[nimble sentinel]

FULL DISCLOSURE: It was not an Auric, was a quick match low intensity damnation

[south garnet]

indication of gamer supremacy

[flat pebble]

owlcat better not fuck it up

[nimble sentinel]

I made a fucky wucky

[flat pebble]

oh noooooo

[torn needle]

Time to join the vet gang now that the tree is better

[crude wind]

man

[viral nacelle]

The changes only freed up like two points for me

[crude wind]

the age of easytide is here apparently

[torn needle]

Do y'all go for a stam curio?

[crude wind]

if playing Deadshot, 100%

[viral nacelle]

Yes

[nimble sentinel]

so...uhm...I think I accidentally brought back recon?

[viral nacelle]

It’s well worth

[crude wind]

i saw your ping

looks like onslaught + rending?

share the build I'm curious

[nimble sentinel]

ohai johnny, sorry bout that I wasn't done cooking

[untold mulch]

They better not, fr

[trim steppe]

is bomber res supposed to be the bursters or the bombers

[brazen bay]

alright just got in from work, what how did the update fuck vets now>?

[crude wind]

bombers

[nimble sentinel]

this is what I took to the game

[viral nacelle]

I played the playtest and thought the combat mechanics were pretty cool and the story was fun

But the playtest was buggy af

[nimble sentinel]

all the rending, tagging at 8 stacks

[opal crag]

bad for hordes , only single targets for both light and heavy ( according to wiki )

[wise harness]

what are some good autogun/headhunters? colomnus i don't like that much

[halcyon zephyr]

you get to build talent trees on 5 separate loadouts again

[viral nacelle]

I’ve been stacking rending traits with brittleness traits, goes hard

[flat pebble]

this sounds like owlcat

[crude wind]

looks good man, thanks for sharing

[unborn ridge]

hey guys

[shrewd sierra]

Why do my talents keep resetting instantly when I set them

[torn needle]

Frag or krak?

[unborn ridge]

what do u think its the best new build?

[flat pebble]

their games always fall apart like a bad burger at the end from compounding bugs

[flint garden]

you can kill 4 bruisers with a single light due to brutal momentum

[junior hearth]

which weapons?

[nimble sentinel]

notes:

-AIM FOR THE HEAD
-Tag, kill your tag, new tag
-Works best with 8 tags, can work with fewer
-AIM FOR THE FRAGGING HEAD
It can clear hordes in a pinch but ammo economy isn't great
-That said, ammo economy isn't terrible
-AIM. FOR. THE. HEAD!

[untold mulch]

Thats my main concern, I trust Owlcat in being good with combat and Story

the problem is how buggy

[brazen bay]

https://tenor.com/view/its-really-hard-to-keep-up-surfnboy-its-very-difficult-to-follow-trying-to-keep-up-i-cant-keep-up-gif-22763705

[crude wind]

i think with the Recon you have to go for weakspot build, whichever way you slice it

[unborn ridge]

guys what is the best new build?

[untold mulch]

Yeah

if the only way is for weakspots

then I am out for this patch

[nimble sentinel]

Recon MIGHT be able to replace Columnus if you're a head clicking maestro

[crude wind]

there are so many man, you'll have to be more specific

[flat pebble]

throw darts

[halcyon zephyr]

We're a year into the game's release, and there's still only two weapon skins that don't cost real money.
And it's the same paint jobs on every weapon

[crude wind]

What weapon, what playstyle preference etc

[nimble sentinel]

and with all that considered, I am saving this build

[unborn ridge]

idk what builds there are

[untold mulch]

Red and Blue?

[exotic jay]

So did anyone else notice the new mark X pistol does more dps than any other las-weapon?

[nimble sentinel]

sorry @junior needle but I made it work

[silent nebula]

Any thoughts on the new shovel? Tried it in the psychanium but didn't get to play a match with it yet

[crude wind]

what weapons do you like to play with

[halcyon zephyr]

Red and slightly lighter gray

[unborn ridge]

i like playing with infantry auto guns

[wise harness]

colomnus does so much more dmg to heads, but moves way too much horizontally too

[terse idol]

Sometimes you give up one or another

[mellow adder]

So did they rework any other talent trees or just Veteran again?

[crude wind]

and what combat ability is your pref?

[nimble sentinel]

and @crude wind I take back what I said. You were right to gas us up

[feral hamlet]

recoil is easy to control so its a non issue tbh

[untold mulch]

Conctact Fatshark

Recon must be nerfed

[crude wind]

gas us up?

oh as in get you hyped?

yeah the Vet tree is much better now 🙂

[nimble sentinel]

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gas up

[unborn ridge]

idk xD im using the one i was told it was the best on the latest patch

[thorn lark]

you use a caxe with brutal momentum, for hore clearing and headshotting elites

don't trust the wiki

[crude wind]

hold on let me get you something that's easy to play and powerful

[unborn ridge]

ive been using executioners stance because i thought it added more dmg and

[opal crag]

We should be able to try all weapons in the meat grinder , instead of buying any thing I want to try

[unborn ridge]

i like the fact that theres a lot of builds

[untold mulch]

it adds more damage, but at high difficulties it doesn't gives you survivability

and you need it

[unborn ridge]

positioning isnt the key?

[drowsy kayak]

I honestly haven't been able to let go my Infiltrate/Slug Shotgun build

[exotic jay]

you dont, that is what the meatbags in front are for

[untold mulch]

There is only so much positioning when you have half of atoma in your zip code

[wise harness]

Lucius Helbore Lasguns
You can now hold the primary action button to continuously shoot with Helbore lasguns while in ADS.
from patchnotes, but it waits for the "overheat", feels worthless, am i missing something?

[crude wind]

always is but there's just a lot of the time where you can't have your gun out or you'll die and that hurts Exec stance

[livid warren]

Is there a jack of all trades build?

[crude wind]

it's still good on certain levels

[brazen bay]

is my revolver still worth a damn I wonder?

[unborn ridge]

yeah i see

well i can also have more than one buildd ready to go so

[silent nebula]

Possibly a fix for it not registering you trying to fire again right after a shot?

[crude wind]

will get you a shout build

[snow pendant]

old revolver is still better bullet econ

[unborn ridge]

aight

[unreal bone]

New laspistol any good?

[snow pendant]

new revolver is easier to use

cuz speedloader

[wise harness]

just straight up holding down left click

[unreal bone]

Does new revolver have the same punch as the old one also?

[wise harness]

it fully charges then wait 1 year to shot automatically

[sharp ember]

they over explained it. they fixed your next charge shot not registering because you clicked too fast. Most relevant for mk 3

[brazen bay]

so is the new revolver just the old one but has a fan the hammer as the alt fire?

[drowsy kayak]

yeah i would like to know too

[nimble sentinel]

holy shit I just realized my recon all this time had crit chance and poxwalker damage

[untold mulch]

OIHHHHHHHHHHH

[wise harness]

oh rip

[exotic jay]

I was just testing it now in meat grinder on Malice difficulty, and can pop armored guys quicker than fully charged lucius

[nimble sentinel]

IT COULD HAVE BEEN SO MUCH MORE NUTTY

[untold mulch]

do another with flak and maniac? idk if maniac is good

[sharp ember]

ikr, i thought they made helbores autofire

[nimble sentinel]

lets fkn go

[untold mulch]

Recon sucks so much against maniacs

[unreal bone]

Did they buff recons?

[unborn ridge]

that gun has no recoil but it doesnt seem to do a lot of dmg

<.<

[nimble sentinel]

nope I just broke the matrix

[untold mulch]

nah, he is using the talents

[elder vessel]

Did they let enemies attack while you're being slammed by muties

[snow pendant]

recon even with maniac perk is useless against them

maniac will soak up shots lke a sponge

[elder vessel]

Cuz I just fucked up by Karnak

[untold mulch]

Recon is still shit without talents helping

[silent nebula]

RECON

BAD

[untold mulch]

because fatshark just doesn't cares

[untold mulch]

Recon bad

[sharp ember]

i think they always could, or karnak is built different

[untold mulch]

We need to spam that shit tbh until Fatshark gets over their fat asses

[serene sage]

Recon bad, please upvote

[nimble sentinel]

TAKE TWO

[serene sage]

thank you

[drowsy kayak]

I should test out my mk VId again with the new tree

[sonic skiff]

said i'd buy a good graia from melk hoping they buff it yesterday

[meager trench]

Mostly use a skirmisher set up with the recon,the instant reload when swapping and Cain sword allows you to handle yourself in most situations

[unreal bone]

Do the Karnak twins show up in any mission?

[sonic skiff]

immediately rewarded

[unreal bone]

Or only the new mission?

[whole moon]

I keep reading one of the new chainsword marks as zzziiiing

[elder vessel]

No enemies would not attack you whole you are being slammed by a mutie, they always just stood there waiting for there turn

[serene sage]

nice krieg outfit

[unreal bone]

Krieg outfit 🤡

[sonic skiff]

anyone tried the new revolver yet

[nimble sentinel]

krieg named steel legion:

[drowsy kayak]

the shooty one showed up for me for my first run of the new mission and the stabby one showed up in a repair mission

[sonic skiff]

first thing i saw this morning was it one shotting all the bosses

[crude wind]

here you go

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ac7776a-f9f0-4552-add1-0ac34cadb714/goodstuff-autogun?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[sonic skiff]

new revolver v v good im assuming?

[unborn ridge]

how is it goin?

[serene sage]

gun good if you good

[unborn ridge]

ty

is it fine if i use a infantry gun?

or it has to be braced

[crude wind]

start with this. Tweak individual talents as you see fit based on Psykhanium testing with gun

[sharp ember]

i've been mauler overheaded and tracked and shot by a sniper while being mangled by a mutie a few times before, i'll say that

[crude wind]

use any infanty autogun u like bud 🙂

[unborn ridge]

ty!

[elder vessel]

*braced

[delicate moat]

chubby revolver when

[sharp ember]

I hear it's whelming. Low piercing

[crude wind]

you have shout for protection, Kraks for Crushers, and then a shit ton of damage for your autogun. pair it with a melee weapon you know well and are comfortable with

[hidden tree]

someone send me the best damnation auric plasma gun please

im new to the plasma gun

[elder vessel]

You don't really need a build to cook with plasma

[sand oracle]

Loving what they did to the vet tree

[elder vessel]

Just shoot em

[serene sage]

here

[halcyon zephyr]

okay seriously why can't I save my talents. Fatshark why did you change the fucking gameplay loop to "hur hur set talents every patch hur hur no save talent set again."

[hidden tree]

is shattering and gets hot good?

[whole moon]

I cant wait for it to happen so I have a chance of seeing you type;
Time to get my chub on

[viral nacelle]

Shout is too strong

[flat pebble]

shattering not particularly useful in a gun that kills everything in 1-3 shots

[sand oracle]

It actually feels like I can build for what I want.... Weapon fighter drill melee sergeant. Absolutely pumping damage with power sword and running away or supporting fire with laspistol. I love it.

[sharp ember]

shattering is OK. Prioritize good perks over blessings

Gets Hot is Good

[elder vessel]

Gets hot and blaze away

[gaunt delta]

It’s only when they mess with the talent tree. Hopefully this this the last time

[viral nacelle]

Which would you rather have:

• minor damage boost
• an ability that screws your team for zero impact
• aoe stagger and bonus toughness and instant toughness regen

[alpine pebble]

Hot food is a good advice

[meager trench]

Note that revolver got a nerf as well, so it's probably good to test both of them yourself

[unborn ridge]

noice

[halcyon zephyr]

The ability for my talents to actually stick would be nice

[unborn ridge]

ty!

[viral nacelle]

Honestly you can use vraks7 to melt crushers with a rending build

[halcyon zephyr]

setting the tree, backing out, going back in and finding it reset is a fucking joke

[sleek garden]

ive been trying the new shovel

[brazen bay]

so the old revolver got nerfed?

[lofty lintel]

so is there any reason to use the bolter over the plasma gun? it just feels like plasma is better in every aspect

[crude wind]

barely

[viral nacelle]

I’ve been clapping packs of them while using shout and bleed nades to control em

[brazen bay]

or did they already nerf the old one

[gaunt delta]

Oh, that’s a different thing. Happens to me too sometimes.

[crude wind]

the old revolver is still OP as fuck

[sleek garden]

the first two lights on the new shovel are silly

two light slaps

[hidden tree]

i rolled a new one hows this

[sleek garden]

i need to check the stagger stats on it maybe

[stable ridge]

So how do I make the braced autogun be good?

[gaunt delta]

Could be a server thing… do you have any mods that affect how the talent tree works?

[trim steppe]

I just tested a bomber with and without bomber resistance.
With 0% bomber res I went from full to dead in 1.34s (from the first tick of toughness damage).
With 3x 15% bomber res I went from full to dead in 2.13s (from the first tick of toughness damage).

[brazen bay]

the real question is weather the new revolver faster reload is enough to replace the old one and take the dmg hit

[snow pendant]

older revolver : good bullet econ slow reload
new recolver : fast fire rate , fast reload , lower dmg and slightly bad bullet econ

[meager trench]

It's still good,just it's penetration vs carapace and blessing nerf. It does it's role the same though

[sleek garden]

use focus fire ability and fire in short bursts so you have high accuracy and damage with a big mag

[serene sage]

More like

1. Insta draw for weapons with slow draw, target acquisition, at least 25% damage boost for 15s, usually more a lot more time and power if you hit headshots/kills your targets
2. 50 Overshield + Stagger
3. Insta max toughness + aggro drop and 9s of near invulnerability

[brazen bay]

well thats good because the revolver is my fav weapon

[snow pendant]

if u get boxed in and bomber just threw a bomb at u just accept it and die

[brazen bay]

be a damn shame for them to nerf my wheely boy into the ground

[snow pendant]

tfw that flamer and bomber counter is to kill it first is stupid

[crude fiber]

Maybe they fixed charge rate affecting damage

[bitter turtle]

is bayonet still bugged

[snow pendant]

try shooting that idiot through a crowd of bulwark

[bitter turtle]

just wondering

[serene sage]

limbsplitter got fixed

[bitter turtle]

damn

[delicate moat]

[bitter turtle]

does it still benefit from melee though

[serene sage]

i heard BM still works though

[bitter turtle]

blessing i mean

[delicate moat]

does bleed blessings work for bayonet?

[gaunt delta]

I want to hit the grenade back with my melee weapon 🏏

[serene sage]

that's what im saying, limb doesn't , allegedly BM still does

[meager trench]

2 also fully restored your own toughness

[bitter turtle]

ah okay

[snow pendant]

then what do u wanna do against flamer that just shoot at you ?

how u gonna deal with that fire

[serene sage]

that's already encompassed in 50 OVERshield cause you know, you need to be full to be OVER

[gaunt delta]

I’m breathing in
The chemicals

[sharp ember]

Flak + Maniac, Fire Frenzy + Deathspitter, crouch still when bracing for max accuracy. The graia brauto has a special property where it gets more accurate if you keep shooting while braced without stopping

[crude fiber]

Spin my shovel really fast and block it

[ruby fulcrum]

Patch notes said they did

[crude fiber]

Oh damn lol

[sonic skiff]

called graia getting buffed

[meager trench]

Side step works wonders if your quick

[snow pendant]

@crude fiber i wish they let the ppl use smoke grenades to put out the flames

[sand oracle]

Which one is the stealth one again? Because there are cases where it's like the only thing that will save a run. Of course, if you got there in the first place - it's just a bad team.

[whole moon]

I know ammo is fucked but I'm going w it anyways, Volatile to Blaze Away but any recommendations for which damage to change the stamina perk to?

[bitter turtle]

Stealth is underrated

[candid tundra]

how did you guys get your hands on good new items from brunt's? I've gotten nothing and spent so much

[zinc osprey]

Infiltrate is a revive and reposition tool. It is extremely good

[bitter turtle]

Just trapped as the farthest talent from survivalist lol

[sand oracle]

^

[ruby fulcrum]

Luck

[serene sage]

oddball is on a personal crusage against keystones and ults that are not VoC

[sand oracle]

Ahhhh.

[candid tundra]

shucks

[zinc osprey]

Buy grey until you get 360 -375 rating, then upgrade from there

[serene sage]

for whatever reason

[bitter turtle]

Not good enough to sac 4 pts for most builds

[candid tundra]

haven't gotten one yet

[sharp ember]

Unyielding/Maniac/Unarmored are all equally valid depending on who you hate

[bitter turtle]

But if surv was balanced ppl would try it more

[snow pendant]

sure hope that 6 bulwark and crusher squad dont rush u into a corner first then , oh wait u cant move out of the way cuz there was too much poxwalker and groaner in your way to let u slide out

[candid tundra]

best I got was this but low penetration

[zinc osprey]

it takes 10 - 15 purchases lol

[sand oracle]

I like VoC the most thematically and gameplay-wise, but... To say the other ults and keystones aren't also great choices is kind of a cringe take.

[halcyon zephyr]

patch notes for next week:

• Fixed a spelling error in a subtitle for Hadron's voice-line triggered on Hab Dreyko for the brazilian playerbase.

• Due to the immesurably complex nature of this fix, the talent trees for veteran players need to be reset.

[whole moon]

you luck sucks, did you stomp on an orphan or something? Brunt is throwing exceptional stat stuff at all my chars right now. Fingers crossed you see some love soon

[candid tundra]

I'm past that

[sharp ember]

I think a high-roll plasma doesn't need flak to 1 headshot scab gunners

[candid tundra]

still nothing

[zinc osprey]

good roll actually

[candid tundra]

I might if I keep getting rolls like this

[candid tundra]

low pen

..?

[placid portal]

Tested MK3 Shovel and it rocks hard

[ruby fulcrum]

It doesn't

[halcyon zephyr]

ur mum never minded

[whole moon]

cheers, wondered if there was a pref. guess it doesnt really matter much. Thanks again o7

[candid tundra]

💀

[zinc osprey]

Not that important compared to everything else

[candid tundra]

you sure?

[halcyon zephyr]

you're right, I'm making an assumption. you could always ask her I suppose.

[snow pendant]

damnation ? how good is that against a squad of ragers especially flak ones ?

[slim sand]

🙂

[zinc osprey]

Yeah, you might have some issues killing trappers in hordes, but it's fine otherwise

[languid escarp]

damn I really like the new shovel

[zinc osprey]

You'll 1shot most man sized specials

[sharp ember]

oh, then add Flak to that list @whole moon

[candid tundra]

I was talking to the other guy about the stat

[raw steppe]

press V and show the stats of the penetration

[sharp ember]

Flak contribues to karking maulers and flak ragers too

[snow pendant]

yeah the game is totally fair they can shoot through some of the thiccest mob like ogryns while u dont have a weapon to kill the trapper through the ogryn walls

[sonic coyote]

Is Serrated blades worth going for or is the damage negligible?

[flat pebble]

negligible

[bitter turtle]

Negligible

Misquote mb

[flat pebble]

turns on mercy killer though without needing a bleed blessing on knife

[halcyon zephyr]

( I know, I'm just shitposting. Carry on )

[sharp ember]

yeah i only run it for Mercy Killer

[bitter turtle]

its only good for mercy killer on knife

and i still recommend precog over mk

[daring peak]

veterans discover thunderhammer gameplay

[placid portal]

1 shot Maniac if I had Flak I could one shot that one too

[lofty lintel]

bolter or plasma??

[snow pendant]

so flak and cara or flak and maniac ?

[gloomy kestrel]

is it just me or do krak greandes do less damage now

[ruby fulcrum]

How's the mk3 shovel vs. Hordes?

[flat pebble]

plaster

[bitter turtle]

blasma

[placid portal]

Flak maniac does seem better bc Crusher Mauler bps are mixed bag to justify

[wanton dawn]

plasma eat reaal good this patch

[lofty lintel]

i just feel like theres no real reason to use bolter over plasma gun as vet its just so much better

[placid portal]

Pretty meh

[wicked cove]

Lasgun like a real Cadian

[flat pebble]

it’s fun and works on a marksman build

[lofty lintel]

im running knife

[flat pebble]

when they made it a finesse weapon it made it feel nice on vet

[rain steppe]

Am I bad at using caxe or is it supposed to be really bad vs horde

[ruby fulcrum]

Aw

[neat sluice]

supercharge on psword any good?

[wanton dawn]

not really

[ruby fulcrum]

Brutal momentum?

[placid portal]

Combat axe sticks to enemies until you get Brutal momentum

then you start sliding through like butter

[wanton dawn]

Best blessing on ps are PC4, then BM or sunder, then probably power blessing

[rain steppe]

Oh, don't have, thanks for tip

[candid tundra]

all good ik lol

[ruby fulcrum]

Yeah caxes NEED brutal momentum. It's not just highly recommended. It's mandatory on em

[placid portal]

Still a fair trade to sacrifice crowd damage for better single target if needed

[flat pebble]

and any tier works!

[placid portal]

It's just that Heavy 1 Light2 just seems to not kill as effectively to just heavy spamming

[ruby fulcrum]

Fair. I'll have to roll one up to try it.

[zealous wyvern]

[sterile phoenix]

Which perk should I reroll?

[placid portal]

All bc combat axes have negligable weakpoint bonus dmg

[zealous wyvern]

that ogryn outfit

[placid portal]

The fun fact is Mine is not a good roll either

[placid portal]

[zealous wyvern]

like

he is on my side

right?

[placid portal]

Yes if you speak your words with more caution

[ruby fulcrum]

Lol. Cool

[sharp ember]

unyielding to Maniac imo. Sometimes you dont get a chance to shoot unyielding bosses if they force you into melee

[serene sage]

damn xD

[zealous wyvern]

unyield to maniac?

[placid portal]

Perks
Maniac & Stamina Efficiency lvl4
Skullcrusher lvl3 & Uncanny lvl4

[wicked cove]

Is the new Cadian sword good or better stick with the original?

[bitter turtle]

so how is the new knife btw

[placid portal]

Maniac just seems to make or break the breakpoints for shovel

[bitter turtle]

is it actually like

better vs hordes

[sterile phoenix]

Ghost to what when/if I get it to pop up in melk's shop?

[bitter turtle]

to the point where it would matter

[crude wind]

slightly

[safe vector]

Sorry for the bud-in. Is this good.

[sharp ember]

Deadly Accurate

[ruby fulcrum]

Not terrible tbh

[snow pendant]

i prefer headtaker over rampage

[placid portal]

Best part is you can 1 shot muties at high uncanny stacks

[serene sage]

does anything matter? like we are here and soon enough we won't be.
what are we even doing?

[placid portal]

on bodyshot

[zealous wyvern]

i would say almost godtier

[snow pendant]

cuz all i need is to hit to get dmg buff

[zealous wyvern]

levle 4 perk and 80 cleave

[ruby fulcrum]

With the mk3? SOLD

[zealous wyvern]

and it would be done

[bitter turtle]

you're right

[zealous wyvern]

but this is still really good

[bitter turtle]

uninstalling darktide

😔

[placid portal]

But can normally kill on weakpoint

[safe vector]

Good to know

Two tapping crushers in the head is nice

[placid portal]

Ahhh

Mk3 Lucius enthusiast?

[ruby fulcrum]

Even better. Definitely need one of those

[zealous wyvern]

i think they mean vraks mk3

[ruby fulcrum]

Want to run with uncanny I wonder

[placid portal]

havent tried mk7 but I like mk3 better tbh

[zealous wyvern]

do not know though?

[safe vector]

Powersword. But I use the MK2 lucius for the bayonet charge.

[placid portal]

Fair

Not many can get used to mk3

I am addicted to mk3

[safe vector]

I mained MK3 before they re-added the bayonet charge ability.

[zealous wyvern]

i will use mk3 lucius on my Jager once i am done levelling this character