#veteran-class
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Was joking, patch notes literally didn't touch recon
I restarted the game and now is showing
i'm not saeeing it but i didn't test it like tha teither
Fire no longer does instant toughness loss
Oh ffs lmao you can't do that to me
UwU
That's nice
I ended up with this as my new build
just hard carried a maelstrom game with vld las gun tho
I can't do anything to test I'm not home yet lmao
I'm relying on you gugs
Guys
"Slightly" my ass
The patch notes are in #📢news-bulletin
Right, thanks
How did they change Helbores? So you can just hold the shoot button and the gun will continually charge up and shoot instead of having to repress the button for every charge? I was a little confused by the wording
Any changes to marksman's focus or does it still have that dogshit movement restriction
I'm loading in to look at my vet builds-and what I can make now. How's everyone finding the patch?
I wish they would combine the bomber/flamers into one perk. Maybe just have a fire resistance perk or area damage resistance that covers fire/BoN bile etc.
Ohhhhg
lol
I'm curious about the chainsawd stuff.
I don't see how that is good
I see new shovel
I hold shots to aim
Nice
Yeah same, was hoping someone could explain how exactly it works because that kinda ruins my play style if so lol
servers down?
Im testing it in Psykhanium, seems to be same behavior
Now why didn't they make us being able to use 2 shovels, that would be an amazing idea
Charge still holds the charged shot
They still left the grenade tax in 💀
Very minor changes, they just do an attack now if you special.
cant find the new mission
The shoveintor
Is there any guns that do not require specific blessings to be good?
Ah I see the change, if you continue holding, it will charge and hold for the max duration before releasing, then it will charge and repeat again
While the +1 stam node is comfy, rip on the other ones 😔
Melk's being goofy with his offers
holy shit we are so OP now
But it does mean you can oneshot ragers with the chainsword special heavy if you hit it in the head
which is quite hard considering the angle it comes in at
Nice ok thanks, that’s not too bad
we just gained 3 extra points bro
and no more dead nodes
like born leader and stuff
and no compensation nerfs
vets are OP now
3 points? Noice
"Hotfix: Vet now receives -100 base toughness. Fuck Vets"
Survivalist on left = dead nodes 
They still were. this change didnt really do much at all
wym
I still feel super weak tbh
Are you even a veteran main or what?
i literally typed why 5 lines above...
I do like that we have more team value with Born Leader being relevant again
i want to be able to comfortably pick up the +10% rending and the +15% damage to elites nodes
Isnt it really worth tho
500 hours and I only leveled a Zealot to hate them more accurately
looked 5 lines above
not there
lied
what's 15% of 5% toughness
Now it is
you're crazy lmao, vet power level was fine before the patch, now we are in OP territories
Well "new"
I fully expected compensation nerfs for shorter tree
Does it take 15% of the full CK/ET while you are full
but no
Casually ignores VoC, Confirmed Kill, ET, and Target Down
we are just full steam ahead
op territories.

Get out of here zlot!
I would call some of them to be called new, but some are just the ol pure variant
Oh wow
Do not worry comrade, I still hate zealot players UwU
lol here comes the copers
Kek just teasing
anyone tried out the new shovels?
This just happened
las weapons still need four points into the left tree for some reason.
Here comes the shills. All the same
Take it over For The Emperor?
The more things change, the more they stay the same
Las tax
Reckon lasgun good?
No bolter buffs though 
I have my match history and scoreboard to back myself up
Yeah? That one was always meh lol
Here come the people that come out every single patch to piss and whine, then leave 3 days later
what do you have?
F nop trying to find the will to redo all my sets again ufff
They changed jackshit about Recon
They just forget it exists
this is true but don't forget psykers had the victim complex for the first 70% of the game
My sanity to not feel a competitive urge on discord 
Praise the Emperor !!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
no Boltgun change feels bad but whever
What skill tree nodes are needed?
To be fair, they had valid reasons as their aura didn't work, they only had brainburst, and warp charges lost all stacks instantly
Ok sorry for that ty for answering
Damn is the new chain axe good?
Ngl, at this rate I legit want to ask directly to the Dev team
"About the Recon guns?....WTF!?"
melee nodes, weakspot for sure, 25% carapace on weapon, thrust
the new tree looks like such a mess in the patch notes lol
okay then maybe don't call people clueless?
ya but after warp charges started being removed 1 stack at a time
we still had a shit ton of complaints
So lights are better for hordes?
chain gang time
esp with how goofy old surge staff was
I wouldn't call it OP
the lights aren;t great
they have maybe 3 cleave
the heavies are amazing though
it's an elite killer
Then don't take it personally when I hear such claims as it being op when I keep having veteran after veteran meet the floor in aurics

Compared to Vet's 75% damage resist and perma-ult in the past, I feel for psykers
Need buff confirmed
Oh no next patch nerf
ya but they weren't nearly the worst class after they got those buffs
how is that OP, i could do that before update
Why can't I get help instead of being a dog
i'd have put that on ogryn
Same poor Ogryn
Well after remaking my builds it does seem like the Vet tree is better then before. I have a couple extra points for most builds, but I still think the grenade taxation is a bit shit.
So the old Chainaxe has almost the same patterns as old Chainsword now lol
so I am clueless because other people have skill issues???
I don’t like this part but it’s still better than before
think its worth from Melk?
Let us see how much Hadron likes my Tech-Heresy.
Apparently only Born Leader is relevant there
nah bad SP
@delicate moat that's me when I throw smoke grenades
worth it for blessings if u need either and don't have T4
hey you don't have to take born leader anymore
It’s still not good? Even if they make it so you can feed toughness at max toughness, it’s still not good
IS New laspistols good ?
I can see the dodge one being useful for Deadshot users
which is one fewer dead node
thank you
I’m taking 50% suppression
Born Leader is fucking terribad lol
Still?
so
No, I'm calling you clueless for jumping ahead and calling it op. It's a step in the right direction but nothing ground breaking
question
better off taking the 5s boost for team imo
Born leader is like, who’re u trying to feed toughness to
whats the difference with the
Its better than before
Not full auto sadly
heavy thunker. more damage per shot
like I dont see a visual difference (other than them looking different obv)
I think the new chainaxe will unironically make the weapon good. They made some key changes with its moveset... basically.
Light swings are just infinite crowd-cleaving arcs. They do /not/ cause rev animations, so you're not gonna get stuck in a carapace enemy.
Heavy swings are infinite strikedowns which do rev for extra damage.
Special attack is a strikedown which I /think/ gets more damage than the normal chax strikedown.
Ogryn infinite regens toughness in a horde
Zealot infinite regens toughness in a horde
Psyker can use peril to regen toughness
Semi
Who’re u feeding toughness to, seriously
Old Chainaxe seems good now
looks nutty
old chainaxe is like
my highest grated weapon
I just fucking hate how it looks
Compared to 5 sec of 10% damage and stamina, its the best pick
Downloading the update now, how is the reworked talent tree?
It is, can use a 354 naked in Damnation and still go fine.
Or skill
Or luck
p good imo
according to patch notes, its heavier on damage at the cost of lower rate of fire
still bad auras
Deadshot users want teh stam
huh
https://www.playdarktide.com/news/the-traitor-curse-part-ii
No word on Exhilirating Takedown
but the bottom of the skill tree is no longer 9 straight lines
Tbh I’d rather go 50% suppression
That one actually at least does things
non carpal tunnel laspistol
it got fixed a patch ago
what was the hidden thing they added into the game?
yeah that one makes enemies duck your headshots
Yeah I like the 5s boost a bit better then born leader, but born leader is an ok pick for some builds now it's fixed.
this is a yummy melk find
so that chainaxe, someone tell me what ot think
it's okay in shout or stealth. and only when you ult XD
No, it's simple. Vet is fine in term of power last patch. I consistently top damage or second with high winrate in Auric T5/M.
The only thing that feels bad is that the tree is long so you can't have as much flexibility.
Now, we didn't get nerfed, in fact, we got 2/3 points extra depending on your build so now we can only get stronger.
Therefore, we are in OP territories.
just need to slap hand cannon over run n gun, and maniac or carapace over elites
I hate supression because of this
indeed
Nvm
Suppression is an utterly useless mechanic
💀
Disagree but go off veteran
i still have this chainaxe sitting profane in my inventory
so unfortunately ur stuck with Born Leader (ugh) and 5s of piss boost
they run away and hide their heads 
BEAST
has anyone cooked a specialist build yet? 👀
Eh to each their own, I use precision guns so suppression is useless in my eyes
btw I think this mark is better for Veteran then the new mark
i really want to try that new las pistol
Can anyone confirm that the new revolver cannot ADS?
the heavies are super fast and CC now
Ohhh thers anew knife
Anyone tried new Chainsword?
shovel and chainaxe buffed, good day to veteran
Make it rip and tear them apart.
and the light rip 1 shots all specials
new revolver dont ads
except mutie
For the Emp is still fine imo, at least now you don't have to take born leader which is a god send
same but I prepped it :>
it shoots faster
yea lots of vertical hits
Damn, thanks
yeah exactly
let me in so i can see the new vet tree
Pretty underwhelming imo, unbearably slow
new shovel is fun
this side is so messy lmao
hits about 2 times harder
did the monkey's paw curl
my build saved 3 points
so now I can grab all the stuff I want
crazy
So... Is the new tree better orginized or what?
I personally like it
Lets me reach all the nodes I want
And mess around when I want
Laspistol is still fine, its like very slightly slower than MG IV now?
new tree is more accessible for things u want
Ah ok
I think it's quite strong atm, it's really weird looking though
i really like that born leader is optional now
Suppresion would be ok if it actually worked on more then 20% of the roster. Should probably also make the enemies freak out and have reduced accuracy for a few seconds after they start returning fire again, Like their hands are shaking or something, kind of like players when they're suppressed. But even then it's still not too useful. Would rather have +5% ranged damage on all the 25% suppression nodes.
Same
what would yall change on this to make it useable for now while i find better?
ngl I dunno what is difference of mk7 and mk4 Shovel
Its so comfy being able to choose between damage and toughness
A minute of silence for our revolvers.
moveset
Revolver still recks
one is good and one is bad
mkVII is the good one
To be fair, it'll one shot kill ragers still

hugely versatile weapon
And that's all I wanted in life
Any good burst fire weapons?
How we feelin about the tree changes?
Is it just me or that fire damage is worse now? Fire just melts hp and toughness so fast
first new laspistol i get from brunts. feels good
We will see... Hand cannon nerf is crazy
btw, what rapid-fire guns are good on vet these days? I feel like columnus mk5 IAG ain't working out for me anymore for some reason...
I tested, still does 1+k pershot
Its only -40% rending UwU
is there any uses for the new revolver? am i missing something or is it just irredeemable trash
mk3 has really bad heavies and worse vertical chains than VII
Only xD
while the 7 has powerful verticals, crowd control heavies and 2 crowdcontrol lights
Columbus needs crits, it crits 5 times per crit so get some funny crit stuff
should be enough to kill what you want
Its a nothing burger. Still really strong in special killing sprees
^^
Maulers still die in 2 shots
Hope so!
they are weak. u can do it better on VII. Push attack into light into light into special light
it was the answer for everything in the game
I can't believe they went a head and nerf the worst gun in the game.
We were thinking they would buff it to one shot Plague Ogryn this patch, too.
and if you slot carapace you can still 2 tap crushers
Truly outrageous
5% base rating
So which mods are broken with this patch
You do the funny csgo knife trick

Should let you inject health into enemies for the ultimate flex
inject the power one into a chaos spawn for the fun of it
inject CDR stimm on BoN, watch it vomit everywhere 
so is exhilarating takedown a good passive to pick up with my spare points now?
yeah
Looks like Xenos are gonna be on the plate for darktide
30% dr fun
y'all are getting spare points?
you don't?
yea i can actually take krak grenade now
One of the better options
weapon customization very broken
Sadness
Damn mods are crashing
Is the new skill tree good?
Yes
the weapon is unmodified. recommendations?
dont
should i keep the blessings and change the perks?
Save it until Fatshark bothers to remember Recon exists
its a recon 
Give us an instant aggro Daemon host
At this point I am actually getting pissed off at Recon treatment
oh you get mini stunned doing the folded shovelpick attack
normally i run an auto gun
man, i still think the game needs a talent for weapon draw
I still think it's funny
bolter would be insane
the graia mk 8 is what i usually run
this my current vet build concept for a columnus IAG playstyle.
Is funny in a sad way
No other weapon to my knwoledge has gone ignored like this
thjey just don't care
So veteran shovel lost that 6th dodge, right?
so they nerfed the revolver instead of buffing the bolt 
Where weak spot + onslaught
It's like post-release/second-alpha psykers
underpowered, every patch a nerf
instant reload
o shit i just noticed i have this in my inventory
Is VII the better shovel
i cannot afford them with my build, unfortunately...
I hope to get mods on my new pistol that I have on my current
Is the new boss fun?
It's a fucking beast

Is brunt's armory bugged?
I have to give the new shovels a try when I get back from work
is the mk III and mk vii shovel both new? or did we always have 2shovels
We used to only have 1 shovel and there should be 2 new ones
the special is insane
ok got it , cant wait to test them out
I also feel like the names should be more different for how different a gimmick the special is
might be able to one shot ragers if built correctly
I really hoped that the new knife special would have been a parry and not another useless punch
Now you can cosplay as an Eversor Assassin by shooting up combat stims to blast through crowds of enemies
But no Hellgun
Real shame we won't get a boltpistol
not the best roll but it will do for now
the only people that thinks revolvers are fine are zealot main players
now that i can easly get hte marksman keystone the revolver just breaks everything for me
meaning its even stronger than before
the new weapons aren't showing up in brunt's armory
Ok the new Heavy laspistol is haunted by Sauron
Every time you crit, the eye of sauron looks back at you
their there for me
Restart game
what about decimator and hammerblow?
restart the game
gone off decimator now that it stacks 1 at a time, you can get 40% damage from Skullcrusher very reliably with heavy swings
DISRUPTION!
and uncanny is the best blessing
how important is the 10% rending for plasma gun vet?
Guys what blessing and perks should I get for mg IV Kantrael
for shovel
not important
Still not sure whether to go with MK 3 or MK 7 Shovel
Maniac, FLAK/UA (have to test this), Deadly Accurate, Headhunter
7 trust
sick weapon
i have 2 points i flexed into fully loaded and 15% elite damage, dunno where lse to put them
VERY
oh my god the mk7 shovel is aboslutely insane
lots of combos
how good is it?
wait so the new stims, are we just picking random needles off the streets infested with Nurgle stuff and just YOLO injecting it to ourselves?
this mark 3 sapper shovel animation turning it into picaxe is fuckinga wesome
are the stims in every map or just the new map?
like, is that real?
Chad shit
all, just new consumables
2 hits to flak armoured
baller
Do drugs 
Sci-fi Universes: Hey that's a nice c96 pistol you got there Germany, mind if we copy and paste our own versions of it into some sci-fi universes?
Germany: 
I dont fear anything because the Emperor protects me
Can I get an Amen
is deadshot worth it?
Do drugs, fight bear
aids
Emperor protects
Depends on the build and weapon
deadshot is great
sigmar give me strength
for which weapon should i use it
we can work with this
fucking god roll
i think the mk7 shovel is the standard issue with a different special
nicely done
Wait
New laspistol seems very solid
so overall id say the mk7? the mk3 has a more vertical moveset.
So quick draw now has the fast reload?
Omnissiah be praised! This was the first one I got today from the Armory.
Fucking nice
My current one
It's best on those with a slow fire rate.
Revolver, Vraks VII HH, probably some shotties
EXCUSE ME
by the throne, also them crit flares
i'm going to be doing a lot of videos on this new update for veteran,
if yall want me to focus on something or if you got a comment that you want in the video, reply or send me a dm.
ok thx
they fixed Born Leader the same patch people stop taking it 
click noice
guess ill skip it
so what spec for new laspistol? left side?
also rip
what do you guys think for the new shovel/revolver?
Do you go Thrust now on new Shovels?
Was that why frags were popular?
Tbh yea that’s nice as fuck
is that tier 5 with stim?
OH shit
"You look happy Varlet. Let me change that for you."
No frags are just very good in general
That the quickdraw or?
frag is just good, the utilities and damage (if you throw 2) is great
onslaught is just a bonus
MK XIV? or the other one?
Does anyone know what the helbore change means. So if we ADS and hold primary after firing our charged shot does it keep firing uncharged shots then?
frags also save a point if you're going down the left side for survivalist
Nope, it will repeat the charge, hold, release cycle
Best XIV I got so far
I go for krak and the damage aura
but kraks are just so good in auric when 18 crushers and maulesr come your way
and you dont have an ogyrn to send them to valhalla
Dunno I find Mk3 Shovel has a faster special hit speed vs mk7's special
holy shit new tree feels like i have so many points to play with
yea
Mk3 also has a better angle on special heavy
Im alive
But you miss the heavy swings
"a bit"
Whassup
❤️ it's like the old og veteran, with keynotes, it's wonderful ❤️
yeah I think we are so strong now
is catch a breath worth it over get back in the fight?
They also took handcannon down a few pegs
my melee tank leader veteran ❤️ I'M having the hardest time between
onslaught, and Exploit weakness.
i'm thinking of exploit weakness honestly.
Dude
I might get flak for this but I think depending on the builds it can be good yes
Only if you wanna be focusing ranged but not often active unless not intense
I just got my fucking perks set

Come on
what weapon
I’m gonna have to do a think on what I might be doing wrong cause my team got slaughtered in damnation a few moments ago
Team issue
@crude wind best shovel blessings?
this is my tree for plasma vet, im a bit dubious on fully loaded + superority over rending and something else? what do we think
imo they are both sub optimal and you could spend the point better elsewhere
yeah whats the shovel perks/blessings? flak/maniac + uncanny/decimator?
for me, uncanny as number 1, Skullbreaker number 2 atm
Decimator number 3
i'm a fan of brittlness, it's a leader build, anything helping the team is what i'm going for
I don’t think I could’ve with my Agri braced lol
But brittleness with plasma, they will be dead
:)

Maybe it’s time I start trying to farm columnus iags
yea thats what im saying, my plasma is applying brittle, how much does rending really help me with plasma / p sword mk6? unless i go to shovel?
Or I could watch the salt flow via recon las
can I see your build
because depending on how you are playing plasma
you don't need 10% rending
So many good changes in this patch, I'm impressed on first glance
not a whole lot changes for my vet builds but the weapon changes seem promising
SEE, i very much prefer Weapon specialist for Plasmagun veteran, because you never have to reload.
i've made plenty of videos on youtube on it in particular showcasing how POWERFUL weapon specialist keynote is.
@crude wind So Mk4 or MK12 Chainaxe?
they're both sick but I like OG on Vet for the sweeping Heavies
the lights murder specials as well
How’s the new chainsword stacking up vs the old one
and you run Bloodletter for bosses
- slaughterer/headtaker for heavy sweeps
or Thrust if you wanna do the whole thrust thing with it
Braced 1 shot
wait so which shovel is better now?
imo 7 is king. i'm gonna record some attack chains with it
swap maniacs on plasma to elites
4 shot on shitty setup
plasma does not need maniacs
First one
Feeling like running this now
got perk screwed again.
..why aren't all chain special attacks consdiered 'strikedowns'? THey're all single target attacks
i've thought about this exact thing you proposed.
or 3
1 shot head shot on most others
but if the attack chain itself isn't considered 'striekdown', revved attacks don't get the single target damage.
but depends tbh
its worth, gives you some nice punch into maulers and crushers
think it lets you hit oshs on crushers 
Hadron taketh 
crushers are a 2 hit, 1 charge, 1 light.
damn we can actually get everything now
is this 30/30?
1 shot with my current pistol
but with your change, maybe
Heya, hows everyone feeling on squished vet tree? Cant play right now
WHAT THE FUCK
yea
HIGH NOON
4 on crushers, The other pistol is iffy
What the....
Hmm that new Chainsword seems straight up terrible at horde clear
you using the re-buy until rating mod?
bit better, I have a couple more points then before since there's less taxing. Grenade tax is still in sadly.
So it's more single target combos?
alright vets what we thinkin? are we less depressed or more depressed?
cant decide which of the new shovels i like best. i dont see much difference between MK III and Mk IV
i can get one point back if i go frag over krak, but i kinda like krak more
HOLY SHIT
don't need suppression. take 3rd keystone thing instead
@wary galleon Was
plasma doesn't get suppressed
A lot of vertical strikes in both light and heavy combo
Where hellgun
The Combat stim + my high end pistol = Instant 1 shot on most every thing
I am less depressed but still am because no Accatran buff nor Hellgun
MY MAN
We happy with new changes or nah
you think its worth using? got 2,5 mil to spend
it came, I have it, sorry you guys didnt get one
BULLSHIT
the suppression immunity?
Revolver fanboys wet dream wtf
See you forgot im actually a blood raven so its mine
I think it's safe to say, Veteran is finally on equal playing field, to zealot and ogryn for the rework.
Im happy, just because more funny shovels, me like shovels
There is no combination of attacks which will let you swing repeatedly on new chainsword
ye
vero, i love the new chain sword, it's radicle
k
It has been on an equal playing field lol
ogryn. ogryn always felt easy mode to me 😛
ogryn still unkillable
woah shovel special can one shot ragers
so if i have 200 toughness, and trigger exhilarting takedown(15%=30toughness), my teammates would get like 3 toughness? im crap a math but this appears at first glance pretty mid?
with born leader ^
how do you get 2 close quarter killzone buffs?
what the fuck
what is the build for this
the salt is real
Not even that
Is it good against hordes?
i hate this shit man
WTF if you cancel your chainsword special, it takes a SHITTON of stamina
this happens to me all the fucking time
i'll make you a video real quick, give me 20 minutes and i'll @ you with results in a tier 5
'377 yay!... except garbage base damage'
takes a lot of energy to be a coward
so sad
Vet is usually strong, it’s people don’t have the skill to utilize the strength usually
i want to cry what is this
i'm still floored there's as much rng as there is.
RNG to get a non-shit brunt roll
Then rng to maybe get two good perks or blessings.
have you tried being lucky?
Better not be pressing that spacebar accidentally
Build?
oh!
It was worse before 
You only had the random store, not the purchase the weapon you want
ngl, breaking the symmetry like this is pretty awkward, like couldn't they of slotted something into the node?
Full damage is only that much????
Has anyone figured out how to make the hellbores automatic?
i forgot about Take a Swing!
ok boys wish me luck, hadron pls
Take a Swing is REALLY GOOD on new shovels
wtf refunded
Full auto mod
ty for the reminder
HUH?
Okay, I get you're being facetious, but the amount of people who unrioncially go. "DURR IT WORST BEFORE" or "HURRRRRR, YOU CAN BEAT AURIC WITH GREY WEAPONS" drives me up a fucking wall
Nah patch said they are automatic by default now. Doesn't work though
Oh rlly? Idk then
what should i change it already feels realy good i am just contemplating changing unyielding for crit chance and trickshot for crucian but i am not sure
Its "automatic"
Fan fire revolver is Veterans Thunder Hammer, have fun
time to test out the new shovels
why they didn't just relocate tax nodes to the center as travel nodes between branches is just baffling to me, but whatever
I assume fold into push into charged attack on one of them can demolish some heretics?
Just a very long "automatic" fire charge cycle
oh is it? what should i go for on the other blessing?
Any good knife and revolver shit don’t have time to check till tonight
Ah yes, I am not defending it,
Crafting needs a total overhaul
Uncanny
how are
Hmmm new patch, ill test after work if they fixed servers for me
because that would take someone who is competent.
the chainweapons??
Still have the executioners stance tax lmfao
you can do an endless vertical loop
My take on the new Sly Marbo, anyt thoughts?
and the push attack is sick
this is the first time ive ever seen t4 on blue
How did it go?
Yeah I didn't think you were. It's just so spot on for people who defend it that it was like 'urggghhhhh"
on the mkVii

Fair fair
wow same that's insane
s tier weapon
best traits
You won already 
20% though, not 25%
doesn't matter
what else should i change
So did they actually fix the veteran talents?
Still hits breakpoints
am i high or does they change lawbinger shotgun sounds ?
sorry if i spam the almost same image
is a lot better now
sprint to infested or flak
fix?
Man, I have not looked at the new Vet tree in the game yet but that's hot
yes
we are really strong now, you can get almost everything you want. might be too strong, in fact
Most of us havent extensively used the new stuff, but BM is good on old shovel. Probably change sprint efficiency to flak
fix as in "it doesn't take 2-3 more points than other classses to get the bare minimum"
actually toxic
At this point I am really tempted to make a forum post bitching about Recons
get me out
sprint effieciency to anything else
Flak and Bloodletter
If they aren't going to make recons viable they should remove them tbh.
Rev it up is goated D:
S tier weapon
Veteran was strong but my problem with them was their build theorycrafting was extremely clunky lol
At this rate it feels like they completely want to do
alright stinkers, drop yer pants and show me the builds
grab the +bleed on special attack buff for the second blessing. Thrust isn't really worth it on the base model since you get about as much damage from striekdown revvs as the charged revvs
and some dude with a fucking magnum
just goes
"Its high noon"
and drops you under 5 seconds
We had what, a few weeks of them not being trash?
21 days
Reaching all the key nodes
don't worry, we still have the most godawful node layout of any class. ❤️
Never Forgive
Scroll up, there's a boss deleting build with the new revolvers
wow it's not even really a one trick pony build either
You honestly don’t 💀
what the hell
I still hate how we still have that dumb node before the grenades
Ogryn’s tree is more convoluted than Vet’s rn lol
They pushed a change for recons that they didn't even explain whether it was a bug or not.
I think the worst node layout goes to zealots now
shush
We’re eating good, straight up
its balanced and we deserve it
change that node into the free grenade per 60 seconds. :>
lol wut
How many extra points does the new setup grant?
At work rn
Todays vibe
Did flamers get ranged damage resist?
Looking like 2-3? But main thing looks like a lot of power got moved up and more accessible
The bottom section got compressed
2 - 3 and things are lot easier to grab.
DAMN
cuz u can just stab the maniacs with helbores
Born Leader worth taking now that it works when you're at full Toughness?
Huh, rager nerf
3, doesn't look like much but it makes a huge difference, vet is eating really good rn
Going straight down left: 17 points
Going straight down middle: 18 points
Going straight down right: 17 points
Cool
To reach keystone
I knew that
is chainaxe good now
Not really
or nah
Theee points lets me fully upgrade keystone
Even if you take ck and et
Plus an extra perk
maniac got nerfed?
I’m running this now
You aren't feeding much into teammates
Is this work?
Take it into psykanium and test
Exe Stance tax
new map pumps
Maybe is a bug?
And infantry lasguns are actually playable now cuz u reach suppression immunity in first row
based gun?
Still same to me
Ok so what nodes did we actually lose? Anything important? Are the 25 toughness nodes still there?
That bit is true but the bottom half is way better
2 shotting ragers with full charge
Ammo up is still tax
But ya much better
exec stance /and/ focus tax. Why go focus when you can just go midtree and get tons of boosts for your entire team while doing the same damage?
@formal lake jo can you post your revolver again? seems like its gone
Yes and u can easily get both +25 toughness nodes on top of the +15 at the very top
Show tree
1 line of tax instead of like fucking 3
It’s not hard for veteran to reach 190~200 toughness now
Maybe a node is bugged?
I 1 shotted a trapper but then I'm Hellbore 3
My HB2 comfy 1 tapped flamers
It’s a nice-to-have than a real tax imo
Now it cant 1 tap a trapper
This was my main worry, so happy that we didn't get our survivability nerfed
...why doesn't focus regen stamina when the only vet talent that readily spends stamina exists in that three.
wtf i happened again, t4 on blue. i was just fishing for the t3 blessing i wanted lol
HB3 should comfy 1 tap rager before patch
i'm content with hitting all my breakpoints + keystone + all the grenade talents, extremely comfy
Yes
I can't one shot Flamer tho 
Very funny mask up site
Need to Focus Target it
With a HB3?
What
I
What
Maybe I hit the hand
new shovel pretty good
i can at least
So i get another keystone upgrade and my extra ammo back
Power creep or side grade?
@formal lake whats your revolver looking like in terms of blessings/perks?
new chainsword kinda ass
i don't see it becoming meta
Is it the combos?
The horde clear seems to be ass
how's the horde clear on new shovel?
Yea its a pretty massive maniac nerf
shovel horde clear still sucks dick when things get serious
I'm about to leave work and take the day 
yea its light moveset is dogshit
the pickaxe feature, although very cool, is not enough
@woeful junco Yo I dunno if you are here, but is the Helbore Maniac nerf intentional?

fire is broken now
On the one hand I am happy our tree got fixed.
On the other hand I am gonna bury myself with Warframe a bit more whilst waiting for FatShark to fix up any post-update bugs that will inevitably be there.
i want fire reverted
whats the revolver blessings/perks on that?
Cowboy veteran is real
^
My dreams
so much damage
Taking this out for a spin, seems really fucking strong lol
Warframe, that brings back some memories
How are you hitting 11k a pop
Iron will is pretty big again now lol
is that trickshooter + sustained fire + 25% unyielding?
shovel is cool but idk it's still mid
I stopped taking past patch 14
Anyone tried the new knife yet
Warframe is like Red Wine: you farm quite a bit, build a bit, get sick of it, leave it alone long enough and suddenly you want to do it again.
pretty versatile and great for staying alive
But no more instant fire toughness loss
it's great
flamer/grenadier are stupid deadly now
Executioner knife
warning, DO NOT TOUCH FIRE 3 ticks your dead
Lol
yeah fire is way more deadly now lol
3 ticks after your toughness breaks, to be fair
dayum
yeah.. feels like antax basically
Ya then it's even more critical for IW
Lmao is fire that deadly now,m
good push on it
im not sure why theyre selling it like they nerfed fire
good headshot
it kills you way faster now
Yeah I've been gone for a year. Played for so long since founder account
massive fire buff lmao
amazing weakspot damage
but the horde clear is lacking
They removed the ability for it to insta-break your toughness, but in exchange it now will kill you if you don't leave ASAP
yes the weakspot is insane for single target
but i found myself wishing i had that powersword when 8 ragers rushed me down
Bruh
Pretty sure it increases charge up speed, not time
I started Warframe by the time The Old War quest is already a thing, so very old start given Warframe’s LONG history
what the differnece between the shovels?
Overall I like the new tree. Finally I have some spare perks!
A shame bombers and flamers are seperate for curios
aww man they got rid of the pen for the quick draw revovlver, it can't even go through a pox walker
I guess I'll have to learn if bombers or flamers slam me more
Bombers imo
I am looking forwards to finally having rending on my Autogun without giving up too many nodes.
It's a lot easier to stop flamers
It just got to where they added so much extra stuff I felt like the core gameplay was getting a bit lost
Is flame ranged damage (needs to break toughness) or melee (bleedthrough)
Thry have to be close
Because an Autogun gunning down a Crusher is hilarious.
True
heavy swings work, I think you want Infested on it over flak
fucking what
Can't mlg noscope you from 20000 meters away behind cover
re: horde
So are shovels basically horde control weapons? I've been hard stuck on using my brutal momentum axe and I figured I'd try out the new one
the carapace/rending nerfs I can understand, but the pen?
yeah lmao
I use plasma in part to charged shot wallbang them
Just messing with it in fact. Enough nodes to grab Rending, mid keystone with all modifiers, aura and 30%WS node
WHY
not sure if they changed it for hte normal revolver
BIG BONKERS
interesting
I hope that was an oversight
Hey what's the most stable IAG? I wanna use them because they look amazing but that recoil makes me sick
Agrippa
Agri
Nice
A fair feeling, but thankfully nowadays they are more focused on the action. Even if the open worlds still have a lot of weird hunting/fishing stuff tied to it.
Though if you mean moving away from space ninjas into super genocide machines…yes, definitely guilty there XD
That's okay I'm running executioner's stance and have decent weak point aim
I'm guessing the Columnus is the high damage high recoil?
no way it would feel worthless at that point imo
already had trouble with groups of flak basic enemies
Yes though you can crouch to somewhat negate the recoil on it
Yeah it's just the hoverboards, mechs, flying packs, and all that. Maybe I'll download it again one day 😆
BTW, anyone tested if plasma charge rate bug is actually fixed?
founder show excal prime
Why 3 stamina curio with 75 gear score add only 2 stamina while Im in the game? Im missing something? Is it a bug? 
Why use new Chainsword when you can use Chainaxe now though 
@wraith lion not only is Agri the most stable pattern but in your case you probably want one with maxed out 80% stability roll, which should result in the most stable IAG ever.
IIRC +3 stam is 76+ base
Guess there's always a dark child in every weapon batch
Id have to download the game 😆. Have excal prime and skana prime. Was too poor at the time to afford the last tier
It is 79+ work fine but why 75 dont
Finally, lasautogun
Rounding I guess
when hellgun
seems fine to me
God when we get hellgun that'll be the only gun I ever use
would be nice to get a proper kasarkin helmet at the same time
Anyone else crashing when they start up darktide?
Exe stance plasma can now grab ammo node with no sacrifices 
like with goggles and all that
It’s all good. Sadly The New War makes a ship and a mech needed, but…AFAIK you could get by with the bare minimum, and just shelf the two things after that quest is done.
I am happy
Is fire damage melee or ranged?
I can't dodge with this build
Hey the mechs are awesome though
Simply kill them then UwU
NW: must have necramech
uses necramech for 5 minutes
fanfire revolver goes hard as fuck
So uh what to do here, one slot remaining
wake up to another vet tree rework
My biggest issue with New War is that we don't use the Necramech often enough
Can't keep making it sound so easy to hop back in, Warframe is such a dark hole for me 
I play auric damnation. I am scared to not move
Probably change infested imo, its not like you're going to melee bursters
Be Veteran main, reallocate skill points every patch because fatshark keeps resetting them
lol
i swear every time i st art playing again i switch to a new warframe
mood
yee fuckin haw goddamn
god dam this crafting system im out of resources again
I always thought of them as mini dreadnoughts 
Masterwork pistol ranger veteran, is that you?
IT'S HIGH NOON
My Necramech is done in EC colors lmao
what's the talent tree for this? Seems to be using a Focus Target keystone
Nice 
Best part of the game. Collecting frames for fashionframe endgame
this tho
might need to start putting ordo dockets on my curios again
Right
whats the roll on that thing btw?
marksman focus with it may be kinda silly though
VoC with new revolver is the closest we get to commisar fit
Unless you go the Cain route with a laspistol
Hoo boy definitely feels like a Christmas gift for Autogun fans
gara best fashionframe change my mind
doing executioners stance with marksman focus is just overwatch cassidy ult.
Shhhh 
Just got this, is it any good? What should I change?
How could you say that to poor Caliban
oh my bad
I find it funny as Vet was already really strong last patch just restrictive now its full 👀
new mission is cool
We shouldn’t get a rework or so I hope because now every class can nuke the map.
Previously Vet got nerfed because we alone were nuking map :p
Pretty bad all around for perks and blessings. You can salvage it but it's not good
No nerfs or reworks anymore, just buff the enemy spawn counts
Thanks
Ragers^2
rager!
the shovel mode switch is brutal
based, this
Nurgle cults get to experience the Imperial Guard fantasy of trying to drown us in their blood
I agree. But people still cry about being underpowered 
As the Emperor willed UwU
Vet definitely good now
thoughts on the new melee weapons? new and old (mostly old) chainaxes feel beefy as hell. Shovelpicks are fun but not sure which is better
Last patch was fine, too once all the getting used to was done
Chainsword didn't leave a lasting impression
Shovel Pick can make some nasty breakpoints with maniac
I wonder how Zealots are now that knife and revolver got nerfed
Make AI director more unhinged.
Crusher squad randomly emerges from one piss tiny insignificant door your team walked past without spawn sound.
GG NT
Always has been
This patch we maybe too strong
Chainaxe is now usable, I'm the happiest I've ever been to play Zel

Vet needs a buff
obese fish is gonna come at us with a sledgehammer warhammer
vets
Would you like to do it again?
Built-in VoC pls
Fartshart when game fun
Seems like straight to Hadron mod is crashing the game frequently
Psykers on suicide watch after surge staff changes
We need a hellgun because the Vox Caster backpack and Accatran lasgun are not a viable kitbash
I just want to shout Shazbot every once in a while
no
Recon is taking all the nerfs of Veteran
He is sacrificing himself for our sins
