veteran-class

[dusk idol]

poxers have horns too

[abstract moth]

@junior grail what category are those hordes with helmet and yellow cloth?

[dusk idol]

and they look dessicated asf

[junior grail]

Yea like the daemonhost too! Easy pickings!

[dusk idol]

dreg bruisers?

[junior grail]

Those are Bruisers I think

[dusk idol]

scab bruisers have armoured bodies but no helmet

[junior grail]

Tougher, more health

Flak armour

[abstract moth]

Thanks, are they armoured or unarmored enemies?

[dusk idol]

flak armoured

but also

unarmoured

[junior grail]

Helmet is armoured, body unarmoured

[abstract moth]

Frag translating this stuff is confusing i wish i could put the game all in English

[abstract moth]

So what would you choose for a perk against them in a weapon?

[tall torrent]

Dreg bruisers
Unarmored torso
Flak head

Scab bruisers wear black armor and no head protection
Unarmored head
Flak torso

[junior grail]

Trust me, FatShark could've just said Attack Speed but no they wanted Finesse or Crowd Control with extra more text of explanation below hahaha

[sudden dome]

finesse is attack speed and crit/weakpoint, so its multiple states together

[junior grail]

Depends on weapon, some are strong enough that they don't need perks against them. Others do, best to test in Psykhanium or use a calculator thats pinned here somewhere

[frank ether]

there is a finesse stat and then a finesse weapon modifier which are different things

[dusk idol]

what weapon do you want to use?

[junior grail]

I already knew that but thanks haha

[sudden dome]

I know

[dusk idol]

it shits me that some weapons have 3 or 4 weapon stats

i mean damage stats

fkn why

first damage, penetration and damage

[south garnet]

And sometimes two stats will affect the same thing like defenses and mobility both affecting dodge count/distance

[dusk idol]

[frank ether]

If you inspect it tells you what each one does

[abstract moth]

I'm just saying what would be the ideal perk against dreg bruisers and scab bruisers, armoured and unarmored perks?

[dusk idol]

it depends wholely on the weapon

[junior grail]

Technically yes. Just extra note that some weapons dont need them

[junior needle]

malice or heresy

[sudden dome]

the achievment is for malice or above, why would you make it harder to complete by not doing malice

[dusk idol]

the most common armour type you're going to run into is flak and so its a solid choice on your weapons, but some weapons can get away without it

[junior needle]

I just popped into the chat and saw this with no context

I have no idea what's going on

[abstract moth]

Alright thanks so dreg bruisers go into the unarmored category even if they have an helmet?

[sharp ember]

only if you hit the body

[sudden dome]

hes trying to do the take no melee damage on malice or above and I said jsut use an infinite ammo build, and that my prefered one, graia braced

[sharp ember]

smacking their head with a weapon with a flak perk is probably better for most weapons

[sudden dome]

but you cant use it past heresy since it has no range to save your life

[junior grail]

Yea most of their body is unarmoured

[dusk idol]

chaps with unarmoured heads are easy to kill anyway

[junior grail]

I wish Columnus and Graia Brautos have more identity and use

There's no reason to pick them in a serious game

[sharp ember]

graia brauto rise

[stuck bridge]

if ur gonna use a braced that isnt agrapina just use shredder pistol

[junior grail]

I do actually like the concept of graiabrauto and how it shoots faster when braced

[junior grail]

Even that isnt meta anymore sadly

[sharp ember]

it also gets more accurate if you keep shooting

meaning it's PEAK SUPRESSIVE FIRE

[stuck bridge]

no, but still good, it actually meshes well with the marksman keystone ironically

[sharp ember]

[junior grail]

None of my builds use Marksman hahaha

Perhaps once Vet builds are compressed, maybe?

[tall torrent]

Huh?
Autopistol with turret keystone?

[stuck bridge]

yeah keystones expensive

[sharp ember]

i pray for tonight

[stuck bridge]

as long as you kill somethign every 3 seconds stacks dont go away

[sharp ember]

i hear the compression looks much better

[junior grail]

Still really worried if Vet tree is gonna get better or just fuckedup in a different way

[junior grail]

Playtester?

[stuck bridge]

I mean they only really need to squish it like 2-4 points

[sharp ember]

yea

[tall torrent]

We need pics

[abstract moth]

Okay guys, thanks for the assistance

[junior grail]

No no cant break nda

[stuck bridge]

pics or gtfo

email me ill leak it

[junior grail]

Emperor protects

[mystic nimbus]

can i kill myself?

[eternal sable]

no

you are good boy :#

:3

[junior needle]

compression?

[mystic nimbus]

d pression

[sharp ember]

making the talent tree smaller and easier to navigate

[junior needle]

How nice

[abstract moth]

So I cannot add finesse on a weapon right? Only block efficiency and speed for running correct?

[tall torrent]

U mean perks?

[abstract moth]

Yes

[obtuse raft]

Weak point damage is basically finesse but it's not worth using

[tall torrent]

Usually people don’t want those perks

Perks generally u want extra dmg

[south prairie]

Unless youre going the meme route

[frank ether]

weakpoint/crit perks are a scam

they are not as good as you think they are

the only ok one is crit chance and even that depends

[abstract moth]

But how weak point damage makes your weapon spin faster isn't that what finesse is for?

[frank ether]

I still hold a firm belief that half the complaints with the crafting system stem from the amount of garbage perk/blessing choices

[sharp ember]

very few weapons can actually make use of the +10% perks

it takes a lot of number crunching tomfoolery

[junior needle]

It's like that on purpose to improve "player retention" IE how long you spend on the hamster wheel to get the things you actually want

[frank ether]

%8-10 weak damage translates into like what? %3-4 actual damage maybe?

and thats a maybe

[south prairie]

I have a knife with max mobility, 2 stam perk, and sprint eff perk, it would have been baller on my future knife zealot to zoom around with

[sharp ember]

more or less depending on the weapon's headshot multiplier

[obtuse raft]

So for a really simplified example if you have a 100 damage hit that is getting a extra 100 from a headshot you would expect your 10% weak point bonus to be +20 damage but it only applies to the damage boost of the headshot.

But in real numbers it's not a even split.

[frank ether]

its the dumbest joke I've ever heard

if they really believe that

[junior needle]

Depends on the modifier of the weapon and how it's calculated

[obtuse raft]

OH. So if you mouse over the finesse bar it will tell you everything that stat applies to. Attack speed is only one of the things that finesse governs

[raw steppe]

It works

Doesnt matter if you believe it or not

[frank ether]

like how it worked so good the game was practically dead prior to them adding actual content to it?

[obtuse raft]

To make it more complicated finesse is a inherent stat of weapons even if they don't have a bar for it.

[abstract moth]

Against what? I usually use the ones against maulers and crashers 25 damage

[terse idol]

Like to be fair, the crafting system being added in late, was a symptomn of how unfinished Darktide really was after the beta concluded

[frank ether]

oh my god look at this player retention

it really just works doesnt it

wow

[raw steppe]

And now the game is alive after they added content even though the crafting system is still this garbage

[terse idol]

It's not like a drip of content it was straight up how unfinished darktide was and it hurt the game

[raw steppe]

Your point?

[tall torrent]

This really depends on your weapons

[terse idol]

The crafting system is

[junior needle]

I assume it works like (base weakspot damage) x (Percentage of weakspot increase translated to decimal)

[terse idol]

Leeaggues better now

Because we actually have an end-game now

[frank ether]

''the crafting system works for player retention because the game received actual content for once in its lifespan''

is this your argument

[raw steppe]

No lol

[torpid fractal]

it is literally impossible to not smile while doing a bayonet run oml

[abstract moth]

So is not good to put this in every weapon for example

[torpid fractal]

just running around shanking shanking shanking

[obtuse raft]

Yeah basically. The % is applied to the EXTRA damage from the headshot instead of the entire total.

[torpid fractal]

poke the world

[tall torrent]

What weapon are u using

[raw steppe]

My argument is "the crafting system is designed to make players waste time by making it intentionally hard to get perfect gear, and this increases the amount of time people spend playing"

[terse idol]

I mean kinda

[frank ether]

The crafting system gives you FUCK ALL to look forward to

because you dont know if you'll ever get what you want or when you'll get it

if you're a new player

[raw steppe]

So you keep farming

And playing

[frank ether]

you dont even fucking know if its worth it or not

[raw steppe]

Working as intended

LOL

[tall torrent]

Still should be improved

[frank ether]

working as intended bleeding players faster than nurgle farts

[terse idol]

Yeah

It certainly needs to be improved

It's a consequence of how FS didn't impliment red weapons like in v2

[tall torrent]

DRG does the endgame grind better and DRG also uses RNG drops

[abstract moth]

So if I use weak point perk it makes the attack speed rise a bit?

[terse idol]

DRG just plays different

[rancid echo]

coming from someone who has been playing for only a week or so, I fucking hate this system.

[terse idol]

To be faiir

[tall torrent]

No

[terse idol]

This is just the v2 system but with no guranteed rolls

This is like if V2 had no reds

[rancid echo]

except getting full OC collection is not that hard and you can target classes you want

[terse idol]

Where you spend thousands of gold to get the right mod and percent

[junior needle]

I know that much, but how the exact calculation goes I'm not sure. Does it directly increase the base modifier itself, is it additive/multiplicative with the base modifier, does it modify the damage after the base modifier is applied?

[raw steppe]

Drg gameplay is significantly worse though

[terse idol]

Uh

[obtuse raft]

No sorry. It's hard to explain correctly when they use the same word to mean different things

[terse idol]

That's debatable

[tall torrent]

Which is why it’s better

[raw steppe]

Though the systems are better

[tall torrent]

That’s a really debatable statement

[frank ether]

DRG has been the superior game for like %99 of darktide's lifespan lmao

[abstract moth]

I meant it a general term, I suppose is not good then, atm I'm using a chainsword and a lasgun mg la

[rancid echo]

yeah, DT is just using this terrible system as an artificial form of player retention

[terse idol]

Pretty true

[astral blade]

Hey what’s up fellas

[terse idol]

I mean I like DT because of the setting, and the gameplay

Yoo

[raw steppe]

Then do you think the gameplay of dt is better or the gameplay of drg is better?

[terse idol]

It depends what you're looking for in a coop horde game

[junior grail]

Ceili-... no, no I shouldnt

[abstract moth]

Oh alright, sure no worries

[astral blade]

Anything interesting happening in the vet chat today

[raw steppe]

Dont give me some bullshit corporate answer lmao, just tell me your opinion

[astral blade]

Very funny my guy

[tall torrent]

They do different things? Besides the “co-op shooter” aspect they’re just very different?

[devout atlas]

We're definitely losing the insta stun special of normal shovel so defo riskier

[junior grail]

Compared Fanvolver with Bracing weapons

[astral blade]

So y’all are comparing fan revolver to braces weapons?

[terse idol]

Well I mean, you did answer half of that question with how DT wastes our time by using the crafting system

While DRG just doesn't

[frank ether]

If the trade-off is good boss/carapace damage I'll gladly make that trade

[astral blade]

Sheesh this I’ve gotta listen too

[terse idol]

The gameplay loop in DRG just becomes, how long can you roll for overclocks in end-game

[frank ether]

I dont even mind long grinds

[raw steppe]

Ye but the gameplay of dt is the best in the genre rn

[terse idol]

With no random stat distribution

[raw steppe]

Even if the crafting systems are bad

[terse idol]

It plays like V2

With guns

[devout atlas]

Doubt good boss damage but I imagine good carapace is the trade-off

[terse idol]

Which isn't a bad thing

[devout atlas]

What even is the best boss damage melee for Vet? Bloodletter Chsword?

[terse idol]

I just don't think they're comparable

[raw steppe]

Ye, after 150 hours it got boring and repetitive and i stopped playing

[terse idol]

Bayonett

[raw steppe]

Though the first 100 hours were fun

[astral blade]

You guys ever wonder if we will be allowed to have full customisation control over our weapons when it comes to that tech priest

[devout atlas]

That isn't a bug

[terse idol]

[frank ether]

probably? maybe knife? Idk

[toxic leaf]

i have unarmoured/unyielding on my plasma gun, do i want something over unarmoured instead?

[astral blade]

Who name I forget

[frank ether]

I just shoot bosses

[devout atlas]

Oh yeah knife

Mercy Killer knife defo but that requires point investment

[tall torrent]

I’m gonna be very biased here
Darktide gameplay is very fun but that’s maybe because I’ve spent like 600 hrs on drg after promoting engineer 20 times and collecting all weapons overclocks so having smth “different” for me is fun rn

[junior grail]

Yea and other theories, fanvolver may be a good Zealot weapon

[frank ether]

I play a lot of helbore 3 or bolter so shooting them is easier for me anyways

[terse idol]

Well that's still certainly a subjective view on it, which then doesn't support how DT is "Objectively" the better game

That's the tough part

[frank ether]

but on melee vet I'd like something that can chip at bosses

with good weakspot hits

[devout atlas]

Yeah I play games for the gameplay. Progression systems don't grip me at all.

[terse idol]

I know a friend who's literally played and gotten everything

She loves the game

[tall torrent]

And I don’t consider DRG to be similar to DT beyond the “co-op shooter” aspect

[terse idol]

Yeah

[raw steppe]

You're putting words in my mouth lmfao i never said that

[astral blade]

I mean revolvers are already amazing for zealot so I don’t see why they couldn’t be just as good for zealot

[devout atlas]

Honestly getting a god-roll in DT is easier than getting the OC you want in DRG. Way easier.

[terse idol]

You said that Darktide is the better game

[obtuse raft]

So the finesse stat governs several different things on the weapons where it's displayed.
Having that bar higher will make your weapon swing faster.

[raw steppe]

I said the moment to moment gameplay of dt is better

[tall torrent]

He said gameplay is better, different thing

[rancid echo]

endgame DRG is having crazy mods and playing hazard 6 starship troopers

[obtuse raft]

All the extra information is pretty superfluous for that question

[terse idol]

[devout atlas]

Both games are fun although I have not played DRG since October since the devs have stalled development and instead focused most of their efforts on 2 different games

[frank ether]

Its a bit of a neccessary evil a games gotta have a balanced progression wheel to not have you burned or overwhelmed but at the same time tying everything to multiple layers of RNG is just plain stupid

[bleak dirge]

Has hadron blessed me?

[raw steppe]

I dont agree with this lol

[abstract moth]

Yes i was just wondering if i could rise up the bar of attack speed without abilities from classes

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/hunt-huntshowdown-showdown-fanning-gif-7682014452878414686

[raw steppe]

I think the grind has to be balanced around the content

[astral blade]

Every zealot I reckon will do this

[devout atlas]

Yea that's alright. You only need Flak on Columnus. You could keep blessings or replace Hit & Run with something although it's fine to keep too.

[raw steppe]

For example, d3 has to have much less grind than like poe for example

[terse idol]

I mean my view on it is like

[raw steppe]

Because the simple nature of the game means theres more to play for

[astral blade]

Does anyone else think people will do that?

[terse idol]

I don't think we should expect an infinite gameplay loop for games 🥹

[terse idol]

Well and with that, POE is just leagues more indepth

[frank ether]

thats pretty k with some tweaks it would be good

[terse idol]

D3 is like a pinkie in a pool, and POE is like the whole pool

[devout atlas]

POE seasons are fun asf and the trading community makes getting items you want easy if you don't mind social interaction (difficult for action RPG players)

[terse idol]

Yeah, and POE has seasons

[astral blade]

Heh now all we need is a cowboy hat

[bleak dirge]

probably will try to see if i can snatch a columnus with tier 4 dum dum if it ever appears, and then change the ranged damage to damage against flak probably

[raw steppe]

The problem with dt is that theres not enough ways to interact with crafting

[devout atlas]

Dumdum is one of those blessings that doesn't scale hard. 3 is good enough trust me.

It's not Haymaker

[terse idol]

You can literally "beat" and grind in D3 over a week

[astral blade]

Than all you space cowboys can live ya dream in 40k darktide

[raw steppe]

There needs to be like... Another system for people to interact with

[frank ether]

aRPG players try to have a normal interaction challenge (literally impossible)

[terse idol]

Then the gameplay loop is getting the right % modifiers to get damage

[raw steppe]

I usually "beat" d3 in like 2 days

[terse idol]

D3 literally is an example of

[raw steppe]

In seasonal lol

[terse idol]

bad grind

[bleak dirge]

but i wanntttt m o a r

[devout atlas]

I don't trust Zealot chat because they're nerds should I get a Crucius or an Ironhelm

[rancid echo]

you can make a game fun without crafting and carrot-on-a-stick grinding incentives. L4D2 is still going strong because the core gameplay is just fun and modders can go wild

[frank ether]

doesnt matter

dumdum 2-3-4

[raw steppe]

Do you wanna hit bosses harder, or deal with hordes better

[terse idol]

You get to the end game and now you're left wandering around doing an infinite amount of rifts, and hope to god you can get your special gloves

[tall torrent]

It’s harder to justify that in the current industry

[south prairie]

Im a vet and i shall be all over that shit like a japanese man who just discovered western movies for the first time

[raw steppe]

Crucis does 25% more dmg, but ironhelm is better at horde clear

[devout atlas]

I have a buddy who literally only has a good Crucius and Flamer. They refuse to use any weapon that isn't a 10/10 god-roll.

[abstract moth]

I think darktide is way more fun than deep rock galactic but them I'm biased because I like vermintide more, in darktide the crafting system is kinda crappy. Would be nice to have a vermintide 3 where you choose your race and customize character like darktide. DRG is lots of fun too tho

[rancid echo]

Payday 3 vs Payday 2 is also pretty comparable to DT vs VT2. Huge downgrade in terms of systems and QoL

[terse idol]

L4d2 is strong because of the mods, and it's Cheap, AND runs on low end systems

(And it's good)

Although

There's only so much there

[gilded dock]

gay

[bleak dirge]

awa, should i change then hit and run to tier 4 punishing salvo since i have that

[south prairie]

L4D2 runs on a god damn potato by even that times standard

[devout atlas]

They're both about the same, Ironhelm just avoids the shitty "oh no I hit a poxwalker instead of the Crusher" scenario but I know Crucius can 1 tap Crushers with Carapace and Thrust so I am unsure

[terse idol]

That is a valve specialty

[devout atlas]

Meh I'll do Ironhelm because Crucius whiffs are so fucking annoying

[rancid echo]

the games as a service, microtransaction dominated industry sadly. and it all goes back to horse armor 🐴

[frank ether]

personally I'd rather change it with another power blessing of your choice

but not salvo

[bleak dirge]

hgnhfgnbhndbhfgnhbgfgnhbgs

[hollow lion]

hows the mk VII headhunter feeling

[frank ether]

fire frenzy or even raking fire imo is better

[ebon umbra]

the torso of dreg gunners is flak ??

[hollow lion]

thinking about grinding one out

[devout atlas]

good pronouns 8/10 could use some more it/its

[frank ether]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/917682677279232045/1171665157378809856/attachment.gif?ex=655d8136&is=654b0c36&hm=d3a7bf41cf348f3a980cfdae7ce9e7c2b473dff536875a4b1cd8bdc5c730345a&

[south garnet]

The only mechanical grind I'm interested in is the one hadron makes against my leg

[south prairie]

Single handedly carried my childhood

[bleak dirge]

whaandnckkfjdkfjs

[devout atlas]

praying this gets a good 2nd blessing or I'm killing myself live

I am like 2 plasteel away

[tall torrent]

I don’t consider GaaS a bad thing unless it’s done for the sole purpose of egregious monetization without delivering a good product

[devout atlas]

Carapace is hype though at least I got that going for it =n=

[frank ether]

I godrolled a ciag on gunker of all things

[terse idol]

That is unfortunately all the industry now a days

[devout atlas]

columnus iag on gunker goes hard

my fav

[frank ether]

its so very good

[devout atlas]

actually gonna run my columnussy gunker rn

[frank ether]

gbdklghk

just non stop free crits

[abstract moth]

Do you think crushers and maulers 25 plus damage on a knife is good or no?

[serene bough]

do you mean carapace damage

[placid portal]

Nah

I mean with backstab rending blessing alone kinda kills most in 3 or 4 stabs

[abstract moth]

I don't know how its called in English but I've putted 25 damage plus against those types or armor

[terse idol]

Yeah Carapace

[placid portal]

Pretty much

But lemme tell you about this helluva drug called rending backstab

[abstract moth]

So mauler is flak armor and crushers carapace armor?

[gritty dock]

What is the best melee weapon against hordes?

[rancid echo]

power swords pretty nasty

[placid portal]

Mauler has carapace head

Devil claw mk4 hoarde combo is nasty

Clean horizontal compared to mk7

[abstract moth]

On the knife I have smackdown and 7+ stacks of bleeding when doing a critical hit

[placid portal]

Rending backstab big money

[tall torrent]

Mauler is flak armor body, carapace armor head

[fresh mango]

So hey what should I replace volatile with?

[placid portal]

Gets hot

Beeg crits

[abstract moth]

Okay thanks

[woeful ibex]

Gloryhunter should be replaced with either Blaze Away or Shattering Impact

[placid portal]

Some weapons will prefer hitting mauler head for efficient killing sometimes

[fresh mango]

over replacing volatile?

[placid portal]

Rending Backstab can actually 1 hit trappers on backstab headshot

[abstract moth]

Do you guys think is better have 10 plus damage on all elites or just one specific 25 plus damage?

[brisk sapphire]

Nah volatile still decreases damage as far as I know

[placid portal]

Flak is very prevalent for basic mobs

[brisk sapphire]

Id also say blaze away is more powerful than gets hot if you have to choose one

[placid portal]

But I find that unyirlding is a funny perk for knife

[terse idol]

Usually just the extra damage on a type, at least imo

[placid portal]

Understandable, ppl do like shooting uncharged nowadays

[terse idol]

It depends, but I would rather meet the break points by specififying

[abstract moth]

@brisk sapphire kek nice pfp

[placid portal]

If in doubt unyielding is fun

[terse idol]

yeah

[sharp ember]

let me check rq if it increases damage if your charge rate is greater than 73%, that was a thing before, not sure if it's still there

[terse idol]

Pgun is funky, because we want to meet the breakpoint to 1 shot gunners on left click

So unarmoured

[sharp ember]

for some reason the interaction flips when you get high enough charge rate

[craggy dove]

Worth nabbin' ?

[placid portal]

Braced autoguns

[sharp ember]

fun: fuck yes
meta: not really

[craggy dove]

Worth nabbin', then ?

[placid portal]

All personal preference

[craggy dove]

Don't care 'bout the meta, just the fun

[sharp ember]

ehh if the perks were better, you could make your own graia

that one would need both perks changed

so if you were okay with the blessings sure

[placid portal]

Dunno the fun in braced autos, more finnicky to me

[abstract moth]

I see, I'm just trying to get into crafting more. I've done lots of aurics damnation and what not but always went not for a totally accurate stuff on guns mostly cuz I need to translate the stuff for example scab gunners armor is called bullet proof armor and crushers superarmored to me

[round jetty]

some guys tried to argue a 4 man group of guardians from destiny could do anything against a chaos god

let alone a base level psyker

[terse idol]

Fuunky translations

[round jetty]

delusional 💔

[abstract moth]

Totally

[serene sage]

Ah yes it's the universe dick measuring contest again

[round jetty]

yes

[sharp ember]

science
1: 79% charge rate plasma with no Volatile
2: same gun, with Volatile

WEL SHIT

[fresh mango]

so volatile does reduce damage

[placid portal]

Yes

[serene sage]

I'm not sure if I would cry for 20 damage loss though

[placid portal]

[serene sage]

Like yeah it sucks

[fresh mango]

thats so stupid

[terse idol]

So like I learned

[serene sage]

But y'know

20 whole damage

[terse idol]

The 20 damage isn't gonna break the gun

[fresh mango]

20 dmg matters

[terse idol]

No

[craggy dove]

That good, comrades ?

[abstract moth]

I dont mind either

[terse idol]

There isn't a breakpoint that accounts on 20 damage

Show meeee

[bleak dirge]

worth in vesting in? damage and stopping power are good, along with stability, but mobility and ammo arent all that good, but then again its a marksman rifle so maybe its not too big of an issue

[placid portal]

I think knife need unarmored perk to 1 shot dreg gunners to the head

[raw steppe]

Thats 3% dmg lol

[serene sage]

Show me a break point that needs 20 damage

[terse idol]

Show me in the psykanarium when it matters

[sharp ember]

you can do better than that, this one might not upgrade well anyway

[raw steppe]

Plasma gun on 1400hp gunner headshot breakpoint

[torpid fractal]

boy when they nerf bayonets I'm gonna be bereft

[raw steppe]

There I showed you

LOL

[torpid fractal]

it's just too silly fun

[round jetty]

325 ☹️

[hollow cloak]

Vld lasgun melee vet is goated

[junior needle]

It's goated because you actively avoid using the gun

[serene sage]

Not this again

[bleak dirge]

ironically iy has better damage than my original one :(((

[terse idol]

okayy let's see

[hollow cloak]

Yoooo

Wanna go again?

[abstract moth]

For ammo you can always have your ability class points than maybe but 10 damage on elites and 25 carapace armor I'm thinking to try that

[serene sage]

I'm sick

[hollow cloak]

So

Play sick

[serene sage]

And hungry

And I don't think Recon is good, still.

[hollow cloak]

So what's the best gun then again

[midnight mortar]

Kek, two words: No Traveler.

GG EZ

No re.

[serene sage]

Not Recon

[hollow cloak]

Tried using kantral mkii again

[midnight mortar]

Oh not this clown again.

[hollow cloak]

It's become trash

[abstract moth]

Hope you'll feel better soon

[serene sage]

Thanks friend

[sharp ember]

test 2, different plasma gun with 74% charge rate
1: No Volatile
2: Yes Volatile
UH OH DIFFERENT TEST RESULTS

[hollow cloak]

Not very convinced

[fresh mango]

its not just 20 dmg, volatile also means you wont have another blessing that could
A. Increase crit chance which will boost your average dmg
B Blaze Away
C. Give brittleness, which will also boost dmg

[hollow cloak]

I will try helbore lasgun ig

[terse idol]

Why you lyiinng

This is a 77%

CR

[hard cave]

Ollanius pius drip when

[terse idol]

On a headshot

WITH BLAZE

BECAUSE I FIRED TOO SOON

20 damage

ISN'T

Making this breakpoint

We're still 400 damage off

AT MINIMUM

[round jetty]

guardians when a psyker whistles and their balls explode ☹️

[serene sage]

I'm not saying Volatile is good. I'm saying being hellbent on always getting of it on any Plasma is an overreaction

[sharp ember]

your first gun is great, i'd rake +160 ammunition energy over a 17 base damage difference that might not change anything

[terse idol]

Hmmmmmmm

Not a 1 shot headshot

[fresh mango]

I cant two shot a rager

[terse idol]

With a 3% damage break point

🥹

[sharp ember]

great perks and mostly good blessings too

[serene sage]

My guys, he said he showed you a breakpoint, he didn't say it was true.

[bleak dirge]

ight, ty, always got told the damage was low, but in combat it never seemed to really affect me

[sharp ember]

damage isnt a big deal if 90% of common targets die in the same amount of shots, that's breakpoints for ya

[bleak dirge]

awa

[terse idol]

Now the difference having Flak armoured, with CR of 80% we can actually meet it

[bleak dirge]

the power of the humble lasgun

[terse idol]

Still won't 1 shot a dredge gunner, which makes me wonder

Is Flak and Unarmoured best on the Pgun

[fresh mango]

I give mine maniac

[sharp ember]

unarmored has a case for just dreg gunner headshots

[hollow cloak]

hey

maybe it's just a trash gun

[terse idol]

what no

What the

[fresh mango]

huh

[raw steppe]

did you forget to put in talent points? or are you using a shitty wep? lol

[zealous wyvern]

plasma not oneshotting dreg gunners?

[sharp ember]

popping exe stance closes all these breakpoint gaps

[terse idol]

I'm saying 20 damage isn't changing the break point on left click

[raw steppe]

and I'm saying it is

[terse idol]

What blessings do you have on it

Lemme see them staats

[sharp ember]

but its really funny how much talent tree finangling you have to do to reach 1 shot breakpoints

[terse idol]

Cause one of my pguns had no stats vs unarmoured or flak with 77% CR

[raw steppe]

and now we hit the BP

[hoary stratus]

are there any quirks to calculating critical hit chance, or is it just a sum of all applicable "+X% critical hit chance"?

[terse idol]

That's weiiird

[raw steppe]

and now we hit the 1400 BP

[bleak dirge]

christ the lasgun route in the skill tree is strong as hell, near unlimited ammo, strong damage, and you can get near continuous exe stance

praise be the emperor's flashlight

[terse idol]

[raw steppe]

I think if you have a 73 charge rate 80/80 weapon, you can hit the 1400 BP without needing marksman

but unfortunately my gun isn't good enough

so it's about 25~ off the 1400 bp

[serene sage]

Long Shot compensation? I have to drag my ass out of bed to test this

[terse idol]

Wait with 10 stacks of focus?

[raw steppe]

i only need 2-3 stacks of focus

to hit 1400

[placid portal]

Beeg numbers

[raw steppe]

but not hitting the 1400 BP is unacceptable bcz it doubles your ammo consumption against gunners

and I also didn't want to have to put unarmored on perks

[serene sage]

can you show your build and distance ping as well?

can you hit BP at closer range?

[raw steppe]

i think a better gun can hit it without longshot or marksman

mine isn't good enough to do it without

[serene sage]

so it's a breakpoint with several asterisk attached?

im logging into test myself

[terse idol]

We could test it in a vacuum, no perks to compare it as much
OR at least, I'd probably want to test it that way

[raw steppe]

yes it's annoying as fuck because gunners are super common

and ammo is super annoying on plasma

so I really wanted to be able to clear rooms without needing to shoot twice

but I think my plasma stats are simply not good enough

[serene sage]

well the thing about breakpoint is if you can hit it reliably
sure you can certainly hit it more reliably with 3 percent damage but does it really make that much of a difference in game

[placid portal]

If you shoot through 2 gunners with 1 shot it's still efficient

[raw steppe]

to hit it without longshot + marksman

[raw steppe]

yeah no that doesn't happen lmao

especially if you're clearing rooms of gunners

[placid portal]

Happens alot fot shotgunners

[raw steppe]

plasma doesnt really need help hitting shotgunner BPs

[placid portal]

Shotgunners do enjoy conga lines

[serene sage]

im not saying Volatile is good but I am saying trying to finesse 3% damage breakpoint with Long Shot and Marksman Focus seems a little disingenuous.

[raw steppe]

yes.
at least for my gun-
longshot + marksman = 3 stack one-shot
no longshot + marksman = 6-7 stack one-shot
longshot + no marksman = 1375~ damage

[sharp ember]

1 plasma ripping through a congaline of 8 shotgunners

[raw steppe]

I THINK it's possible

to get a no longshot + no marksman 1-shot

with a 80/80/73 gun

but I dont have that 🙂

[terse idol]

Well yeah, I don't have modifiers for my gunners... at least as I remember

I mean (Yes, if you're building into focus and anti-gunner) 20 damage may matter and that is a valid arugment

[serene sage]

you can hit the breakpoint at 17m with Volatile

You don't even need stacks of focus

wait bad pic

[raw steppe]

show gun

[serene sage]

here

[civic knot]

Worth buying? I can replace surgical 3 with 4 and reload speed with unyielding. Thoughts?

[sharp ember]

that's pretty snazzy, good find

worth it

[raw steppe]

you have 6 stacks of focus in that picture though

[serene sage]

12m oneshot without focus stacks

don't mind the 3, that's gained after I headshot

[fervent pulsar]

Where can I find Scavenger perk? Is it in the skill tree?

[terse idol]

it's the left aura

survivalist

[sharp ember]

just found this lol, me and my homies HATE charge rate

[marsh condor]

Jesus

[serene sage]

here, no marksman focus at all

[marsh condor]

You're only going to be tap-firing it

[sudden dome]

alright that gun has more damage than the other one despite the charge rate, so whats with the 73 charge rate, is that an old thing

[marsh condor]

And that's no good if you need a lot of damage

[sudden dome]

its only a bit more aoe and not much more cleave, you already cant go through crushers so it doesnt really matter. I almost never charge up

[serene sage]

so Volatile sucks, but it doesn't suck that much, 3% damage in most situations won't make a difference

[raw steppe]

weird, can i see the tree

how are you hitting the 1400 bp

[fervent pulsar]

Will scavenger still work even if I select an aura besides survivalist? Resupply Allies penance has made little progress

[sudden dome]

no you only get one aura

[serene sage]

took off marksman focus for testing, you can see I'm having 2 points left

and there is no marksman focus in the pic even if I headshot (exhil shows that I did, in fact, headshotted)

[hollow cloak]

meme gun

[terse idol]

If we're gonna reference the CR we got the funni

[sharp ember]

no, it is replaced

[raw steppe]

can you try taking off kill zone

and seeing if that changes the results

[serene sage]

killzone?

[sharp ember]

SAVED

[serene bough]

emperor be praised

the plasma wasnt bricked

[serene sage]

like the Marksman red talent?

[fervent pulsar]

No idea why Resupply Allies is making little progress? Am I not close enough to allies?

[raw steppe]

the talent called "kill zone" on the tree

[sharp ember]

now to agonize what to replace groaners with

[topaz pebble]

Carapace

Maniac

[sharp ember]

because every heretic and their mom has a breakpoint

[topaz pebble]

Whichever you hate more

[serene sage]

no killzone

[raw steppe]

try non-crit

[forest blaze]

Maniac unarmored

[serene sage]

oh shit i didn't even realized kek

[raw steppe]

i think the 15% damage from

is fucking upn the results

[terse idol]

80CR does give the pgun damage again

[sharp ember]

alright we maniac gaming because i HATE ragers

and dreg gunners are easy head clicking with exe stance

[marsh condor]

Bayonet stab

Ragers hate em

[civic knot]

isnt the charge rate kinda bad?

[raw steppe]

fyi none of this shit matters if you're using exe plasma

because exe punches you through all the BPs

this is mainly for shout build LOL

[terse idol]

That's fiiine

[serene sage]

you are right, it was Killzone messing things up

I had to move out to 20m to oneshot

[terse idol]

The shout build and making a break point is what matters for me

[serene sage]

but it's still possible

[raw steppe]

ye unfortunately you need to rely on long-shot plus marksman

to get consistent one-shots

[languid escarp]

this should go together with: "poxwalkers no longer randomly spawn behind you"

🥹

[ancient path]

love me grenade build.

[serene sage]

sure, but volatile isn't the problem here

[raw steppe]

no it's not lol

[serene sage]

3% lets you shoot from slightly closer, sure, but I won't cry about it

[raw steppe]

I have gets hot+blaze away and maniac/unyielding on mine

maniac helps you hit the 1HS on flamers, and 1body crit on flamers

[civic knot]

What perk/blessing combination should i run on this?

[civic knot]

i linked someone else's image by accident lol

[topaz pebble]

Replace pinning with shattering

[raw steppe]

yar

[serene sage]

honestly, it's fine as is

[sharp ember]

the listed flak damge is 706 but actual flak damage is like 698, so it's got like 98.87% on the damage loss scale. Kinda stinks but I'm not fishing for BPs

[topaz pebble]

Reload speed with carapace or maniac, whichever you hate

[civic knot]

yes but why not change it when i can? i have 2 changes available

[sharp ember]

shot reaction speed isn't an issue for me

[raw steppe]

but that's what I'm saying

[serene sage]

then reload to flak/carapace
upgrade your stuff to one of level 4 Pinning Fire/Shattering Impact/Surgical

[raw steppe]

is that I think with a 80/80 weapon with 73 charge rate

you might be able to hit the breakpoint without needing longshot or marksman

freeing up potentially a bunch of points

[civic knot]

which blessing combo of those is best for what situation?

or best for what purpose?

[serene sage]

if you intend to use your Bolter in a Sharpshooter build, probably Surgical/Shattering or Surgical/PF
if you want it as a rifle, playing close and personal then PF/Shattering

[civic knot]

thanks! btw from what ive heard of the general concensus, sharpshooter bolter is simply not as good as using a plasma build

is this true?

[serene sage]

Surgical/PF won't be nearly as effective at killing Carapace, but with enough PF stacks you can one tap a lot of things even body shot which is nice

[placid portal]

Pinning is free 25% dmg boost

[serene sage]

Im very biased for the bolt but generally I think plasma is easier to use

so if that matters to you

both will one tap gunners headshot regardless if you build right

[sudden dome]

plasma is very very easy to use but Ive never used bolter so I cant compare

[mystic belfry]

It's worse

[sudden dome]

I dont like that it shoots 2 bullets at once

[mystic belfry]

ADS

[astral blade]

I struggle with plasma if it doesn’t have an ADS I’m screwed lol

[civic knot]

explain pls

[sharp ember]

bolter gets a lot more ammo regen value from survivalist, but its harder to wield

[mystic belfry]

Bolter is just an overall weaker weapon than plasma

[foggy musk]

How do u people function as vets without running triple stamina curios?

This class is just so trash

[civic knot]

give me an example of how it's weaker

[foggy musk]

ur block gets instantly broken

staggered

[austere mica]

very carefully

[topaz pebble]

Bolter has bad ammo, bad reload, bad draw time, bad recoil

[mystic belfry]

I run 1 stam curios. You'd only ever run 3 with deadshot

[sudden dome]

I literally never use stamina

[foggy musk]

and then u go down

[serene bough]

shovel

[foggy musk]

especially if u try to play with powersword

[austere mica]

and with a great deal of skill

[mystic belfry]

By not being trash at the game

[astral blade]

People pls do not feed the troll

[sudden dome]

why would you block use a devils claw you get free blocks that counter and ill a ton of stuff on hit

[foggy musk]

i can solo carry on auric maelstrom with any class easily other than veteran

this class is just dog

[mystic belfry]

he goes down with one of the strongest melees in the entire game

[sudden dome]

on crit they insta kill maniac ragers

[foggy musk]

u dont know me son

[topaz pebble]

I only use stamina for PS6 and thats cause the push attack is so busted

[serene bough]

i honestly find the powersword so overrated

[foggy musk]

everyone on my server knows that its an autowin on auric maeelstrom if im on the team

[serene bough]

its got great damage on charged hits but its mobiulity/defense is trash

[foggy musk]

its just vet thats trash

[astral blade]

Commodores ventures is running low on troll feed

[foggy musk]

yes u will get cucked by regular hordes of chaff

[mystic belfry]

Cool, go back to your server and bask in glory then

[astral blade]

So pls don’t feed the troll

[serene sage]

show match history

or shut up

[foggy musk]

how the fck do u show match history

[sudden dome]

alright so its an autowin if youre on the team but you struggle with chaff, pick one

[foggy musk]

its an autowin as long as im not on veteran

[mystic belfry]

What are you smoking

[topaz pebble]

Vets is the weakest of the four but its not trash kek

[mystic belfry]

PS6 has weak mobility, it doesn't have weak defense

[civic knot]

if you're gonna come here and be toxic you might as well leave

[mystic belfry]

It litterally has reduced cost on block

[topaz pebble]

Who needs mobility when everything is dead

[serene sage]

it's scoreboard mod

[hollow cloak]

any1 wanna play

bring ur plasma guns

[astral blade]

People pls for the last time don’t feed the cok sucking troll

[sudden dome]

vets only the weakest if you build to help your team

[hollow cloak]

LOL

[serene sage]

anyone coming here gung ho without scoreboard proof shouldn't be taken seriously

elitism but that's my line

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/look-what-yep-this-gif-13617583

[mystic belfry]

My man said the power sword is especially hard, and that he doesn't know how to run vet without x3 stam

Straight up can't be credible with that

I don't care if he posts Neo level scoreboards

[bleak dirge]

Praise be the humble lasgun

[sudden dome]

imagine blocking

[finite imp]

Yeah you should probably go back to your easy to play class. We're gonna keep playing hard mode

[civic knot]

i havent really used PS much. Isnt the mobility of it kinda lackluster?

[astral blade]

Hey foxhope this is why I always ask opinions from people such as yourself or ascend here

[serene bough]

still feels like trash

[hollow cloak]

it's easy mode god tier weapon

[topaz pebble]

It sorta is, but then you also kill everything

So who cares if you're slightly slower

[serene bough]

maybe its just me but weapons w/ low mobility are never my cup of tea

[serene sage]

here ill show that you can, in fact, do okay in Auric T5/M, sorry it's not 100% win rate
i don't run stam

[civic knot]

yeah but can you tank bosses well with it tho? my friend said that was it's weakness

[sudden dome]

literally dodge backwards while activating then kill everything in the area in the next 3 swings

[mystic belfry]

It blocks better than basically anything in the game besides shield or claw (using parry)

[serene bough]

what about shovel

[astral blade]

Because I actually can trust some of y’all vets to get a decent opinion

[serene bough]

shovel block good

[mystic belfry]

You can also safely do a charged poke even mid rager combo if you time it well

[placid portal]

Shovel stab stop muties

[hollow cloak]

just go invisible and start swinging

[topaz pebble]

Push attack light

You delete bosses

[hollow cloak]

it's basically cheating

[mystic belfry]

You can tank bosses with it, ifyou're not litteraly blocking every hit

[topaz pebble]

Shout, push attack then light and the boss has basically already lost 1/5 of its hp

In 2 non crit hits

[civic knot]

huh?

[topaz pebble]

Its overtuned as hell

[mystic belfry]

If you're getting based, skip push-> light combo, just alternate between blocking dodging and regular light attacks

[finite imp]

The mark 6 DC also has a stab push

[astral blade]

Speaking of opinions how the hell do y’all even use the plasma so efficiently

[civic knot]

explain i dont understand how u get that much dmg from that

[mystic belfry]

Power sword 6 combos it's thrust push attack into light 4, which is strikedown. it's very high single target damage

[finite imp]

And if you know attack patterns you can just hold a plague ogryn down like it's nobodies business

[serene sage]

nah im biased as fuck, I play only Bolter so there's your first red flag, but i'm okay with it.

[astral blade]

I hate the fact that I can’t ads with it

[civic knot]

i think a crosshair mod helps with hip fire aiming

[topaz pebble]

The hitbox is huge on the plasma

[mystic belfry]

He's exaggerating. It's good boss damage but it will not destroy them instantly

[serene sage]

you walk up to the enemy so you can't miss

[topaz pebble]

Point in the general direction and shoot

[mystic belfry]

Just aim with the middle of your screen, right in the middle of the crosshair

[astral blade]

My guy I still trust ya opinion over allot of vets in this chat

[civic knot]

ye but like if ur the last one left and you face a boss with a PS, will u be able to survive even to deal that dmg?

[obtuse raft]

If you just have a boss wail on your block anything except like shield ogryn is gonna break.
"Tanking" bosses is avoiding hits and even with low mobility there's not too difficult.

[serene bough]

you can definitely fight a boss w/ the psVI

[topaz pebble]

Especially if you have shout

Or nades

[mystic belfry]

Just the ps6 will do fine

[serene bough]

its just that blocking multiple hits is usually not recommended

[civic knot]

ok

[hollow cloak]

most people don't lmaoo

[mystic belfry]

Don't need shout/nades, though usually fine it best to run shout on most builds regardless

[serene bough]

better to block and weave in a dodge or two to save your stamina

[hollow cloak]

they rack up kills for a bit then get downed

[mystic belfry]

if you're fighting a boss with PS6. You want to use regular light attacks if you're tanking (to preserve stam), and use push attack -> light attack if someone else is tanking

Simple

[tall torrent]

Click everything u can tag, aim upper chest (and a little in front of where they are, if they’re moving)
Hog up ammo like the goblin you are

[serene bough]

but the problem for me is ps dodge is dog waterrrrrrrrrrrr

[mystic belfry]

Dodge as well, but you can tank plenty of hits.

[placid portal]

Am simple lucius gamer I gun down anything that is not us

[mystic belfry]

I do also recommend running it with one curio with +3 stam and +stam regen

[trim steppe]

Honestly? I use the crosshair mod to give it a dot. Its absurd to me that a highly accurate railgun with infinite range has a big set of parentheses as its crosshairs

[topaz pebble]

I only run a +3 stamina only to spam more push attacks

[serene sage]

yeah shout and nade stagger is nuts
ps6 stab will do great as well
bonus points if you are as good as Darcy

[mystic belfry]

You can stack more if you want, but I wouldn't do that unless you run deadshot (and if you run deadshot I'd probably not take PS6)

[serene sage]

https://youtu.be/UfMCiYXCaAY?si=u-lz478EprnKo1qU&t=891

[topaz pebble]

Its comical really

[serene sage]

she almost soloed the boss basically

[hollow cloak]

damn anyon play vanilla still xD

[serene sage]

there's a timestamp if you want to see PS6 eviscerating the Plagryn

[astral blade]

You know y’all are lucky

[placid portal]

Knife is also fun vs bosses

[trim steppe]

I played vanilla for about 600 hours and then decided to up my QOL with some mods

[astral blade]

My dumbass is stuck on a business trip when I’d rather be at home playing darktide

[mystic belfry]

Knife, claw 4, and ps6 are the best vet boss killers imo

Knife isn't fast though, just incredibly safe

[serene sage]

Chain axe is decent too

[serene bough]

heresy

[mystic belfry]

Chain axe is def not safe

[hollow cloak]

guess i should download the scoreboard at least

[serene sage]

for some reason it has high Unyeilding damage on heavy lmao

[topaz pebble]

Chain axe propoganda

I cant believe it

[serene sage]

oh I meant COMBAT AXE

COMBAT AXE

I MISSPOKE

[topaz pebble]

There we go

One is dogshit

Other is goated

[astral blade]

Love to be playing darktide rn

[mystic belfry]

I run these mods. Relatively minimal

[mystic belfry]

LMAO

[topaz pebble]

No weapon customization, not a real gamer

[astral blade]

So how does every think the devs are gonna “fix” the vet tree

[mystic belfry]

Yeah, combat axe is fine, but I wouldn't put it with the three I listed

[topaz pebble]

Combine some perks

[serene bough]

scramble talents and reduce nodes

[topaz pebble]

Bigger they are should be rolled with counterfire

[mystic belfry]

Don't care about it

[topaz pebble]

Get rid of suppression operative modifiers

[hollow cloak]

a long time from now. they alrady changed it

[placid portal]

Personal preference

[topaz pebble]

Grenade tinkerer should be base

[placid portal]

[astral blade]

Hope they remove some of the tax nodes

[elder dawn]

melk

[topaz pebble]

And replace close and kill with demo TEAM, not demo me

[placid portal]

Give vets tax exemption

[mystic belfry]

We need like 3 more talents

[astral blade]

And place those said tax nodes in some of the abilities/passives

[serene bough]

i really want the other two auras to not suck

[eternal sable]

😭 ogryn

[topaz pebble]

Fire team is good

[mystic belfry]

That would be a neat bonus

[topaz pebble]

Outclassed by survivalist

[placid portal]

There is a me in ateam

[serene sage]

okay can we agree that Dark Tide is a hard to run game?

[topaz pebble]

Game runs like ass yeah

[astral blade]

Fireteam good?

[mystic belfry]

Dark tide turns my PC into a space heater

[serene sage]

thank you

[mystic belfry]

And I have a fucking 3080

[topaz pebble]

Much better than release

[serene sage]

cause my PC is struggling everytime

[placid portal]

Tru

[topaz pebble]

5% damage vs psyker 5% elite damage

[astral blade]

good joke

[serene bough]

fireteam will always be leagues below scavenger

[topaz pebble]

Already a step above

[placid portal]

Release danktide turns my pc to nuclear reactor core

[topaz pebble]

Thats cause of how innately broken scavenger is

[serene bough]

unless you have a team with like, 3 psykers and no one brings a gun

[mystic belfry]

You would need way more damage to compete with survivalist

[serene sage]

I have an RX6800XT and it dips below 60 somtimes

[mystic belfry]

And that would be silly

[serene sage]

thanks Psykers

[late kite]

what build for veteran do you guys recommend?

[hollow cloak]

yeah my computer shut down a few times in the summer playing it....

[mystic belfry]

Haven't had dips below 60 myself

[trim steppe]

I run these mods. Only like 2 of them actually affect gameplay (betterfiregrenade and crosshair_remap) literally everything else is just to make my life better in the menus and trying to load the damn game

[astral blade]

What is a gun

[mystic belfry]

What gun/melee do you like

[topaz pebble]

Like, left aura should be survivalist, middle should be demo team, and right should be fire team

[placid portal]

Whatever suits your fancy

[hollow cloak]

melee vet

[topaz pebble]

Melee vet

[civic knot]

invest or bricked?

[placid portal]

Claw vet

[serene sage]

what is your playstyle?
like if you are to be a DnD class, what would you be

[serene bough]

you point it at things and squeeze, then bad people go away

[hollow cloak]

melee vet, with POWER SWORD. and VLD lasgun

[serene sage]

hella invest bro

[topaz pebble]

VLD propoganda

[serene sage]

good luck!

[trim steppe]

Inveeeest

[mystic belfry]

Crosshair remake does seem nice. But I played so much Killing Floor 2 I just don't even really use my crosshair enough to bother

[serene sage]

CALLS ON THAT BOLTER

[civic knot]

is maniac that good for bolter tho?

[cursive goblet]

Ok, I've been wondering if it was just me. I probably need to get some help making it run better at some point. I fucked the light settings so bad that whenever I'm on surface, or somewhere bright at all my screen keeps flickering with light. Game still runs awful for me and I will get these little stutters pretty often.

[mystic belfry]

Plasma for example has a shit crosshair

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-star-wars-faith-gif-8081360

[late kite]

I liked my old build designed to kill lots of elites and specials using a ranged weapon

[serene sage]

BiS lmao, level 4 no less

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-throwing-brick-brick-cat-gif-9142560192559212520

[astral blade]

Psykers with force choke

[placid portal]

[civic knot]

ok sell it

[astral blade]

I can see that

[serene sage]

glory to either PF or Surg and ranged damage to flak

[trim steppe]

That is legit the only reason I got it

[civic knot]

selling it

[serene sage]

and it's nearly a god roll bolter

[civic knot]

jk hehe

[mystic belfry]

I can throw something together for you ,one moment

[serene sage]

like this is mine

[south prairie]

Based Killing Floor enjoyer

[serene sage]

and it's not even as good 😭

[hollow cloak]

lol ok

[trim steppe]

I'm a lunatic and I value gloryhunter, but shattering/pinning is probably better

[cursive goblet]

Is ammo significantly more of an issue on bolter compared to plasma?

[mystic belfry]

Luckily it's just dead accurate if you know where it aims, so you don't need a crosshair at all

[placid portal]

Used to be

[topaz pebble]

Yea

[civic knot]

cant u make certain builds where u can run gloryhunter instead of certain talents?

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/thebrickprince-brick-prince-brick-brick-squad-bsfw-gif-22946161

[serene bough]

are we sharing bolters

[serene sage]

I mean there is this baby

[placid portal]

One phrase, 95 rounds

[trim steppe]

its just for when im trying to hit a head at like 40m. I could draw a dot on my screen like the olden times of yore oooooor put on a small mod

[serene sage]

I don't even own Shattering IV

can someone donate

[placid portal]

No

[serene sage]

what if i say please

[placid portal]

It doesnt exist

[serene sage]

what

[frank ether]

not if you build it for surgical and dont spam like an animal

[placid portal]

It's locked to lvl 3

[astral blade]

Just saying @placid portal I also trust this man’s opinion

[trim steppe]

Probably! Like I said I like gloryhunter but no one else on this forum seems to

[serene sage]

the fuck is this then

[placid portal]

But flechette lvl 4? It's real alright

[serene sage]

damn

[placid portal]

Devs hid it in the files

[topaz pebble]

Blaze away lvl 4 too

[serene bough]

this is my favorite flashlight

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-introuble-ohno-shocked-whoops-gif-3170004311394715892

[placid portal]

Flechette lvl4 does 16 bleed on crits

[late kite]

this what I currently have for items, but I have no idea what would be a good build from them. any suggestions?

[placid portal]

[zealous wyvern]

why

[civic knot]

😩 👌

[serene sage]

almost god roll plasma

[astral blade]

So that’s ya favourite fleshlight

Lol

[serene sage]

if only the perks are better

[placid portal]

Warp fuckery

[trim steppe]

bro those perk rolls ✨

[serene sage]

I wanted Maniac Carapace

but Flask Caparace isn't the worst ig

[trim steppe]

I like flak > maniac on plasma

[mystic belfry]

PS6/Lasgun. I would recommend switching from your recon las to a different option though

[serene bough]

what do people run on revolver these days

[placid portal]

Handcannon surgical perma lock

[mystic belfry]

With or without weapon specialist

[trim steppe]

flakiac with hand cannon and surgical

[cursive goblet]

Here is my plasma

[serene sage]

where handcannon

[serene bough]

uhh

do i even have hand cannon

[astral blade]

Ascend bro why didn’t you go for the extra damage on focus target

[topaz pebble]

Handcannon, surgical, maniac, carapace

[astral blade]

Instead

[placid portal]

Flak dont do anything for revolver dou

[frank ether]

dont you already one shot all flak targets

[serene sage]

it looks cool, at the very least

[placid portal]

Better on carapace or unyielding

[mystic belfry]

Not worth the talents. Toughness/Stam generation way more useful, especially with deadshot.

[topaz pebble]

We had somebody in here yesterday saying how not getting flak on revolver or something was a noob trap

[placid portal]

Lmao

[serene bough]

ok yes i do have handcannon

[topaz pebble]

Like, why need flak

[mystic belfry]

The keystone damage nodes are not worth buying

[placid portal]

You already kill flak enemies

[topaz pebble]

What are you one shotting harder

[astral blade]

Really?

[mystic belfry]

Yes, really

[placid portal]

Ye

[astral blade]

Well shît thanks for telling me

[placid portal]

.5s stam regen delay is goat

[mystic belfry]

They're okay, but it's just not worth 2

[serene sage]

as close to a godroll Rumbler as I can get

[mystic belfry]

And never take focussed fire without redirect fire, ever

[serene bough]

loading sign

[frank ether]

I prefer getting stam back through keystones now

[mystic belfry]

You need both to get a decent damage boost

[trim steppe]

I am a total knife noobie, can someone tell me how to build a knife for vet?

[gritty dock]

What mods would you recommend to someone who hasn't used mods yet?

[serene sage]

it's too mythical you can't see it

[cursive goblet]

All enemies are stuck loading

[mystic belfry]

Also, never, ever ever take that keystone and skip target down.

Target down is better than the damage bonus they keystone itself gives

[astral blade]

Ok got it thanks for telling me bro

[serene sage]

animation_events
scoreboard
scoreboarddamage
darkcache
preferauric
bettermelk
reveal_blessings
barter_with_hadron
custom_hud
creature_spawner
fullauto
buy_until_rating
reorderchars
multiplekeybinds
here are the ones I use

[mystic belfry]

Np

[serene sage]

those are all QoL stuff without messing with game too much

Custom_HUD is a god send btw

[mystic belfry]

@hollow cloak

[serene sage]

don't have to strain your eyes keeping track of buffs

[astral blade]

Buy until rating is honest to god a life saver

[serene sage]

it crashes my game if I buy too fast haha

[mystic belfry]

Yep.

I honestly keep it set to buying one at a time

[astral blade]

Did you update buy until rating

[mystic belfry]

I just use it for the auto-sell feature when it's a low rating

[hollow cloak]

what u recommend?

[serene sage]

yeah it should be the newest one

[astral blade]

Cool just checking

[mystic belfry]

Are you wanting just a high firerate lasgun? Las pistol is quite good, spammy, high finesse damage, quick to draw

[hollow cloak]

nah just the best gun in the game

[mystic belfry]

if you want an autogun, I'd go for columnus infantry

[hollow cloak]

fire rate doesn't matter

[mystic belfry]

Those both are also two of the best guns :v

[topaz pebble]

Revolver

[hollow cloak]

i hate using revolver

[astral blade]

la infantry lasgun still wanting that lasgun for my shout build

[serene sage]

Revolver is probably the best rn

[topaz pebble]

Actually busted weapon

[serene sage]

Plasma after that

then Columnus IV

[onyx nebula]

Kantrael is a good lasgun -<-

[mystic belfry]

Plasma, revolver, columnus, las pistol, and uh, probably mark 12 lasgun?

[hollow cloak]

kantrael feels like shit now

[topaz pebble]

MG12 is considered the worst of the lot

[astral blade]

Depends on which mark

[serene sage]

Boltgun is good I promise 😭

[hollow cloak]

the old meta one

[topaz pebble]

I think it goes la, IV, XII

[hollow cloak]

whatever it is

xii

feels bad now

[mystic belfry]

The big thing is to use litterally any gun besides a recon

[astral blade]

The la is defs the best of them all

[mystic belfry]

And I mean litterally any gun

[trim steppe]

I cant stand using any lasguns rn, but thats just me

[hollow cloak]

sorry but my vld feels so strong