veteran-class

[flat pebble]

some people recommend farming by putting a tier 4 blessing in the first blessing slot that you dont want to increase the odds of getting a higher tier second blessing that you might be farming for

it’s all kinda bordering on superstition in that afaik it’s unconfirmed but it seems to be the case that it works. it’s hard to say

[elder vessel]

My wallet quivers in fear

[buoyant slate]

it's rng. but it's weighted better the higher the base rating or something

[flat pebble]

this is what i’ve been saying

that’s the whole thing i was saying actually haha

[halcyon zephyr]

It also prevents that same blessing from occurring on the item

[buoyant slate]

yeah it's reducing the possibility pool

[flat pebble]

that’s the greater part of it yes

[buoyant slate]

but you could slap any blessing from that blessing line in there to remove that line from the pool

[umbral scaffold]

trash talking for using the "wrong" gun is insane

[lost portal]

Helbore MKIII for life, With no onslaught

[umbral scaffold]

ill use the worst weapons in the game, gray tier and do better than the average toxic player

[buoyant slate]

so. i kinda hate the helbore mk3

[flat pebble]

but if it’s a tier 3 blessing you don’t want and you’re just upgrading weapons to farm for tier 4 perks increasing the overall rating of the gun by 15 before the final consecration you’re getting better rng

[tall torrent]

Mostly every weapon is playable now

[bleak dirge]

will this one not get me slandered in the veteran club?

😭

[tall torrent]

This is a good roll

[umbral scaffold]

nice gun

[flat pebble]

excellent base

[buoyant slate]

i don't know if the higher ratings from perks weight the results

[bleak dirge]

i bought literally like 14 columnuses at once

[buoyant slate]

but the base rating weighting it is definitely something that seems to happen

but yeah, dislike the hel mk3 because the melee on it doesn't feel as good

the chop has some weird behavior

[flat pebble]

in my experience it seems to be overall rating

in that system base rating is already ahead by virtue of high base rating

[buoyant slate]

wouldn't surprise me

[bleak dirge]

first upgrade, is it over?

[flat pebble]

it’s all hooha and hearsay

[buoyant slate]

like if you tap the special repeatedly for the helbore mk3 instead of attempting to spam it it seems to do a full charge like you held it down

[flat pebble]

you can’t really get that kind of insight on the first upgrade haha

[bleak dirge]

will need to grind more since ive depleted my plasteel, but have a shiton of diamantine

[flat pebble]

i mean specialist isn’t great but it’s not like it can be instabricked at this step

[buoyant slate]

while with the mk1 and mk2 you just shank shank shank shank

[flat pebble]

you’ll get a better idea on the next one and a much much better idea on the third upgrade

[placid portal]

For realises one of the best melee attacks vs melee weapons

[buoyant slate]

so if you wanna do the mk3 chop as fast as possible you have to tap it once and only once and only do it when the animation has reset. also the mk3's chop seems to be weaker? i need to test it some more but it didn't feel as strong

[trim steppe]

That is generally the situation we find ourselves in (I am currently "rich" in plasteel by my standards)

[placid portal]

chop does not make any special breakpoints but can kill pretty fast if hitting heads

*also mk1 & 2 just overloaded

[buoyant slate]

meanwhile my shank goes "what flamer" and oneshots them

or locks down the rager in front of me as i poke him six times to death

[placid portal]

after the revelation of shovel being able to stagger charging muties

life has not been the same since then

[buoyant slate]

oh, with the poke?

[placid portal]

ye

[buoyant slate]

do you need to get them in the face or does a torso hit get them to stop?

[placid portal]

Face only

[buoyant slate]

dang. amusing though

[placid portal]

poke then slap it to death

[buoyant slate]

i've got a silly uncanny skullcrusher shovel

[naive hatch]

I just tried out the columnus IAG, it's actually pretty nice. If we could get different sights on it...

[buoyant slate]

it's probably not good but it amuses me

[placid portal]

i mean

40% dmg is 40% dmg

[buoyant slate]

true

time to see if this slightly better base rating taxe has better stuff than my current taxe

[placid portal]

if that's rich I'm broke

[buoyant slate]

oh hey, rolled shred 4 as it's second and all or nothing 2 as it's first. just gonna. dump that all or nothing for uuuh. headtaker3?

what do taxe mk2 want?

[naive hatch]

what do the three IAGs need perk/blessing wise to compliment a knife and krak grenade setup? I can't seem to make sense of the attack breakdowns numerically in my head to figure out the breakpoints.

[placid portal]

dum dum + death spitter is a good start

but raking fire is a niche but nice benefit

[elder vessel]

Damage blessings my beloved

[naive hatch]

...you have more than 3-6 times as many marks as I do and WAAAAAAY more than that in other currency. Am babeh

[merry oak]

what perks should i put on this?

[placid portal]

Full bore

[elder vessel]

Flakiac

[placid portal]

[ancient path]

the usual

[ancient path]

this.

[astral ingot]

honestly just change the perks and it's g2g

[elder vessel]

Maybe Unyielding if you hate burgles

[umbral scaffold]

caffeine existential dread, yep its darktide time

maelstrom damnation time

[merry oak]

so flak and?

[astral ingot]

flak maniac

[merry oak]

mmk

ty

[elder vessel]

Flakiac

[placid rune]

flak+maniac

[placid portal]

in the 41st millenium there is only wor

[elder vessel]

In the 41st millennium there is only flakiac

[placid portal]

le me with carapace + Flak

[placid rune]

im looking forward to the part 2 update.. they fixing vet cause atm its painful

[placid portal]

hoo boi can't wait to see how ppl will be sadge about losing certain passives

because I will be

[elder vessel]

Remove +1 grenade and make it default

Let me have 4 frags again

[naive hatch]

50% more Krak!

[placid portal]

Box ogryn should have the ability to give teammates grenade box

[naive hatch]

That'd be awesome.

[elder vessel]

Casual Ogryn being the best

[placid portal]

dunno that depends

[naive hatch]

Since box splits into 6 grenades, everyone gets grenades BUT you...unless you throw it at something

[placid portal]

nah just one person picks up as grenade pickup

only reason grenade pickup is lowered is bc ogrynheimer

[elder vessel]

Like Heavy sandviches

[bleak dirge]

Unfortunately this isn’t DRG so I can’t spam ping “we’re rich” 27 million times

[elder vessel]

Just throw it at your vet or zealot and woosh, their grenades are full

[placid portal]

A tragedy

[naive hatch]

the IAGs would be much easier to control on M&K 😦

[bleak dirge]

Petition for fat shark to change the voice line to “were rich” everytime we ping diamantine

[elder vessel]

*plasteel

[ancient path]

vets are painful?

since when

[flat pebble]

yeah we all love vet here

with no complaints

[elder vessel]

Since the change to skill trees

[ancient path]

is it painful?

am i doing something wrong?

[swift ingot]

They’re always painful because vet mains are whininers

[ancient path]

am i at the curve of being so dumb i dont notice whats wrong

i just hit <class ability button> and have a good time

[elder vessel]

The skill tree is REALLY long and is nowhere near the strength of launch vet

[swift ingot]

Vet mains will always find something to complain about

[elder vessel]

Based

[ancient path]

i mean launch vet was just bolter, stance, and solo the lobby

lol.

i dont think thats what vet should be.

[placid portal]

personally patch 13 vet is really strong

[naive hatch]

Someone plays Vet

[astral ingot]

launch vet had both unwavering and camo vets

[placid portal]

just not as strong as the 75% toughness damage resist on activating

[ancient path]

yeah i do miss standing infront of 15 gunners in stance just not caring

[placid portal]

imo patch 13 was probs my current fav variant

[astral ingot]

you can do that still

just be an ogryn

[placid portal]

ye

[astral ingot]

[placid portal]

[flat pebble]

100 overtoughness shout was silly tho

in retrospect especially lol

[placid portal]

Yea that was way overboard

[naive hatch]

Put these on your Mk XII and go to town

[ancient path]

it was.

[elder vessel]

I love whipping out my gun and shooting Nurgle because he has a yellow outline

[placid portal]

but duration is good

[swift ingot]

Yeah I admit it was very silly

[flat pebble]

cooldown is so nice

[ancient path]

hell yeah haha.

[flat pebble]

50 is perfectly fine

[placid portal]

agreed

[flat pebble]

as long as we keep the 30 second sweet spot

[placid portal]

the cooldown is literally 15 secs after the ability pops

[swift ingot]

Especially with the cooldown reduction

[placid portal]

[elder vessel]

I miss my 200 base toughness

[placid portal]

lol

[swift ingot]

Cry about it

[placid portal]

slap 3x toughness and 5%x3 toughnes modifier

[junior grail]

I hward a rumour that patch dropping on Tuesday, or am I on hopium?

[placid portal]

dunno

[swift ingot]

It’ll either drop on Tuesday or Wednesday

[placid portal]

must be from the fact part 1 dropped so early unexpectedly

[junior grail]

I wanna say weekend so I don't hype too hard

[placid portal]

we know it when we see the big patchnotes

I seek patchnotes

[junior grail]

Zola rescue mission

Tomboy damsel in distress

[placid portal]

funny AI zola gets ledged and auto fails mission

[junior grail]

Ogryn picks her up princess style for the end of the mission

[swift ingot]

I personally hope it drops on Tuesday because I have a day off on Tuesday

[junior grail]

It'll be funny as if its a rescue mission, we will have to rescue Zola a thousand times a week

[placid portal]

hope stims are common enough to use more than once

[swift ingot]

I’m sure they’ll be relatively common

[junior grail]

Sounds like an addict already

[placid portal]

Ay man Stimpacks are the shiiiit

[flat pebble]

vermintide potions were

common enough to use more than once, that is

[swift ingot]

I also hope that we’ll be able to give stimms to teammates like you could with potions

[placid portal]

Giving potions to teammates be like
Veteran wants to trade with you!
[f9]- No
[f10]- Yes

[mystic belfry]

They just need to have some thing to allow you to pot share like VT2 smh

[junior grail]

"GIVE ME THE POTION"

teammate ignores, kicks teammate so potion drops

"Mmmm potion"

[mystic belfry]

Or give me the crack all three stims at half duration

[slow spade]

Imagine sharing, couldn't be me nabs another Ammo Stash at full ammo

[mystic belfry]

Nothing makes skaven and chaos shits themselves like seeing a Grail Knight down a concoction of three buff potions at once :^)

[junior grail]

Uses ammo stash 3 tomes while still at white ammo

[mystic belfry]

Needed to top off fam

[junior grail]

Zealot with cooldown potion dashing all over the place

[astral ingot]

stealth zealots with speed stims

[mystic belfry]

Infiltrate speedrun builds can finally use speed pots smh

[junior grail]

Can't let the Heavy Stubber Ogryn get any

[junior grail]

To get even FURTHER ahead of everyone putting the teammates at risk YAY

[idle carbon]

for a mk3 helbore, the perks you'd probably want are definitely unyielding, and then maybe carapace or flak?

[slow spade]

I went with flak + Maniac

Because fuck gunners and ragers

[toxic leaf]

anyone else having rotten luck in the auric qp queue this evening

[junior needle]

There's too many zealots

Had two games start out with 3 zealots as teammates

Then it put me into like 2-3 lost games right as they ended

[toxic leaf]

im normally a 50/50 win person but im like 0-8 tonight, some non games

[flat pebble]

same it’s been bad today

im getting matched with a lot of people who don’t really have any sense of urgency lol

in auric damnation qp and it’s like?? yall

[buoyant slate]

okay there's some weird tech with the mk3 bayonet chop

[old quail]

keep gettin stuck with pubs who are like sea sponges

had a game where it was me and the 1 guy i was in a strike team with for 80% of the match

[flat pebble]

btw the bolter build was fun

[trim steppe]

I had a 50 minute match today, it was rough

[bleak dirge]

How do I keep ending up with more diamantine than plasteel

Great plasteel drought of 23

[old quail]

pub vet died like 4 times, when he finally got cornered and ate shit to 8 maulers (his fault btw) and had to watch us clean up the mess he left

he dropped

and we got a decently competent 3rd and the game was easier

[trim steppe]

higher difficulties give more diamantine and plasteel becomes the bottleneck. its the opposite at malice and below

[old quail]

[flat pebble]

i was playing on the water cleansing mission and our team literally took 5 minutes between each objective

[old quail]

i cant play it too often because sharpshooter is so slow to me but it puts in good work

[trim steppe]

We are all starved for plasteel all the time

[flat pebble]

the second best person on the team was a combat blade recon lasgun 6 bet if that is painting the picture here properly

[old quail]

f

[bleak dirge]

oh shit it gave me dum dum on this roll... but only tier 3

[flat pebble]

i quite literally killed more ranged AND melee elites than the rest of my team combined

[bleak dirge]

sobbin g

its so over

[old quail]

i am legitimately so sick of pub players who don't understand that some objectives require you to do something

[trim steppe]

Dumdum is frontloaded and scales slow, T3 is perfectly good

[old quail]

like if u cant handle killing a corruptor eye go back to malice where it spawns like 8 poxwalkers over 3 minutes

PLEASE

JUST FUCKIN HIT THE THING

I BEG YOU

[flat pebble]

it was a first for me in a while because i usually just rambo with the plasma gun

[mystic belfry]

Nah fam t3 is better than any other blessing at t4, you're good

[bleak dirge]

alr, ty

[bleak dirge]

🥹

[alpine bear]

Best I can do is throw a grenade at it

[mystic belfry]

Now roll two more times and be emotionally crushed

[bleak dirge]

i think this one might finally not be bricked

[bleak dirge]

i mean, i could just refine and rebless any bad rolls now

[old quail]

marksman/surg bolter hits similar BPs as old pf bolter if you hit headshots which is cool

[junior needle]

Perfectly fine, columnus priority goes dumdum>2 perks>2nd blessing

[flat pebble]

specialist is already a good enough cope perk for me

that guns unbrickable

[mystic belfry]

specialists is a bad roll, so you could get three bad ones :)

(it will still be a good gun with a dead blessing though)

[junior needle]

It's already unbrickable because the second blessing doesn't matter

[trim steppe]

you'll ideally want something other than specialist but its not terrible

[bleak dirge]

maybe tech prists arent so bad after all...

[flat pebble]

i did super enjoy just being able to point my bolter at things and kill them

[mystic belfry]

I used to like tech priests a bit for their aesthetic

Then I played darktide

[old quail]

it is so swing-y. when you get to shoot its fantastic

[old quail]

but when u have to melee

god i miss trench fighter

and weapon specialist

i just wanna swing fast

[flat pebble]

this is a pretty good point, the rest are all basically on the same tier except maybe two

[marsh condor]

I wish they can buff the extra damage against Elites and especially Specialists.

[mystic belfry]

Meh, melee vet is still really good

[flat pebble]

you can’t do both with bolter

[mystic belfry]

With or without weapon specialist

[flat pebble]

, not really

[marsh condor]

Also, for Melee Vet...I don't use the Keystone.

[bleak dirge]

me playing darktide with anything else:

me playing darktide and i have a columnus:

[mystic belfry]

I use capstone, but on WS if my secondary is a revolver

[marsh condor]

Just use a mix of certain nodes.

[old quail]

i run weapon specialist on every melee build

[buoyant slate]

so mk3 bayonet chop: you can hold it down and it'll do a full charge and release and autmatically start charging again. if you tap it it'll do a full charge and release. if you spam tap it it'll do a full charge and release. but there are two separate and probably mutually exclusive techs to make it slightly faster.

1. if you tap it right when your arms are moving back or have moved back to the neutral wielding position, it seems to come out faster.
2. If you hold it until the weapon gets almost gets into it's upright position(like you're trying to quicktime a heavy attack) it seems to come out faster.

[mystic belfry]

if my gun is anything besids revolver I run melee vet with no keystone

[flat pebble]

i was just feeling sad whenever i needed to take out my caxe lol

[old quail]

this is LITERALLY what i went through

[marsh condor]

Let us eat cake.

[flat pebble]

like i was eating my vegetables

[mystic belfry]

Also, I don't run ps6 with WS

At all

[old quail]

at the end of the match iwas like "damn that was pretty fun" and the people i were playing with were like "you were fuckin complaining half the match"

[marsh condor]

L E T T H E H E R E T I C S E A T C A X E

[mystic belfry]

Wastes too much of your attack speed when you charge, the 15% bonus ain't helping much really

[sharp ember]

chaxe soon

[old quail]

its not my fault u cant take suppression immunity and other cool stuff

[sharp ember]

i will try to make it work and die trying

[mystic belfry]

So if i take PS6 I swap revolver for laspistol and use it for anti-gunner/shooter

[marsh condor]

I've tried making a tanky Veteran.

[bleak dirge]

so new columnus compared to current so far, hoping hadron has mercy upon my damned soul

[marsh condor]

Well, not actual Tanky Veteran

Just a Veteran who won't stop or go down

[flat pebble]

it’s already guaranteed better

[mystic belfry]

It'll be better no matter what you roll

[flat pebble]

to be perfectly clear here

[alpine bear]

Aura vet?

Interesting choice

[buoyant slate]

the timing on this tech may be so tight that it sometimes is inconsisten and also the speed gained may or may not be worth the extra effort

[mystic belfry]

Even if you hav to change both perks and get a useless blessing, that's a good columnus

[old quail]

a 2/4 columnus with flak + dumdum is all u REALLY need, other perk/blessing aren't too required

but u already have dumdum

so that's a minimum 3/4

[flat pebble]

and the stats are better

[bleak dirge]

my goal is to be like a walking A-10 and just spew a holy fountain of brrrt upon the enemies of mankind

[flat pebble]

it’s an upgrade in every single way

[bleak dirge]

🥹

[peak narwhal]

Except is isn't an Agrippina Braced

[mystic belfry]

Flakiac dumdum is 95% of the rolls you need (besides base stats ofc, but that's asier)

braced is dum, without the second dum

[flat pebble]

it’s fun with zealot and dance of death

my hipfire is guided by the emperor

[mystic belfry]

You know what else is fun on zealot

The same model as infantry

[flat pebble]

a lot of stuff

[marsh condor]

The other time, Grenadier.

[mystic belfry]

Because braced is just a worse overall gun

[alpine bear]

Ah

[flat pebble]

mmmmmm no

[mystic belfry]

ye

[bleak dirge]

i tried braced autoguns, dont like em, im two used to ADSing and i prefer the versatility

[flat pebble]

certainly one of the takes of all time

[peak narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-thats-like-your-opinion-man-gif-15076479

[alpine bear]

Venadier is another interesting choice

[flat pebble]

go make that case in zealot chat i’d be curious to see how many people agree with you

[bleak dirge]

plus its pretty easy to kill shit at range with the columnus

[marsh condor]

I prefer the Agripinaa Braced Autogun for Veteran.

[peak narwhal]

Easier with Agrippina

[marsh condor]

Among Braced Autoguns

[trim steppe]

Agri brauto is still king, columnus is great tho

[old quail]

columnus is really cool on zealot w/ dance of death

[mystic belfry]

I don't hang out in the other chats because they're always lame tbh

[old quail]

graia brauto is just sad

[marsh condor]

But for general guns, I prefer either the Vraks Headhunters or the Infantry ones.

[old quail]

graia iag is very cool though its my favorite out of all of the autogun types

[flat pebble]

the only one i literally never go into is psyker chat

i don’t need to know what they’re up to i’m fine

[marsh condor]

Graia Autogun needs just a little more ammo reserves.

[peak narwhal]

Agrippina Braced with Hit and Run and Fire Frenzy is bawls

[mystic belfry]

If I need advice on builds for the other three classs

I get better advice here lmao

[flat pebble]

agri brauto with fire frenzy + deathspitter goes brrrr

i see shitty zealot advice in here all the time idk

[trim steppe]

I just want to share that Brunt is sometimes a decent person who does nice things

[mystic belfry]

Braced doesn't have dumdum ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[marsh condor]

Brunt is nice.

[mystic belfry]

Brunt is a bitch

[marsh condor]

How good is Raking Fire?

[old quail]

fine on an infiltrate build

[mystic belfry]

Great boss damage, some utility in normal stuff

[old quail]

otherwise not huge value

[marsh condor]

Asking since I remembered about the Zealot

[flat pebble]

brauto has 150 more rounds on a class with worse ammo economy and no suppression immunity

[junior needle]

You have to adjust your playstyle to get value out of it, in general you won't be getting much due to the enemy tendency to face you whenever possible

[marsh condor]

Zealot?

[old quail]

vet leverages it a bit better due to having the threat reduction node (than other classes that get the blessing)

[flat pebble]

the case was agri iag better than agri brauto on zealot

[marsh condor]

I can do that.

[mystic belfry]

I mean, youcan run whatevr, but you're not going to convince me braced is better

It's not like you need to run the absolute best shit regardless

[flat pebble]

i never thought i would be able to for a moment, don’t worry

[frank ether]

ciag vet functions fine without taking any ammo talents or suppression immunity

[mystic belfry]

Hell I ran slug shotgun with marksman for a bit

[marsh condor]

I still want an LMG just for fun.

[mystic belfry]

Was fun, not the best but it does do some work

[marsh condor]

Imagine if its special attack is like the Dreg Gunner's melee attack...

[peak narwhal]

My latest fun gun is the Lawbringer with Flechette and Scattershot. That second special round is like firing an ogryn cannon.

[still leaf]

is there a way to make the assault rifle esques handle beefy bois the way plasmas and bolters can?

or like, a technique to it?

[mystic belfry]

I've been considering running that Consum, but I need to build one

[peak narwhal]

@mystic belfry It's so good. Slaps hordes like a boss.

[naive hatch]

Brunt doesn't like me.

[frank ether]

I also don't wanna pull a skill issue card for supp immunity its a nice to have definitely but I dont understand when people act like its unplayable without it

[still leaf]

or, perhaps, if I'm running like the agri infantry, what am I supposed to do when a bulwark or crusher shows up?

[peak narwhal]

Krak em up!

[marsh condor]

So many stun's the reason.

[still leaf]

just stick the nade to 'em and giggle?

[pine halo]

power sword 3 or 6?

[peak narwhal]

Yep

[junior needle]

If you mean IAG's, then no you can't instantly delete all big targets with it. Krak grenades are helpful for that. The onslaught talent is good, and columnus has insane damage output.

[marsh condor]

The Krak grenade will stick to them.

[topaz pebble]

Suppression immunity is unneeded until you get suppressed by gunners not even shooting at you

[steel quarry]

what do you think the best hellbore lasgun is? debating buying a mk 2 with lvl 4 onslaught from melk but i havent used helbores that much

[topaz pebble]

Its possible, just play zealot

[frank ether]

I play a lot of gunpsyker, I forget it even exists

[topaz pebble]

MK1

Heavily biased btw

[marsh condor]

I specifcally chose Suppressed Immunity when I want to be a "tanky" Veteran.

[topaz pebble]

Uncharged shots 1 tap shooters in the head, charged shots 1 tap gunners

And most specialists

[frank ether]

I really want to see how some of you play the game because its bizarre to me

[marsh condor]

Where you just walk towards the heretics with a Revved-Up Chainsword.

[frank ether]

what am I doing different that I dont run into issues

[topaz pebble]

Suppression is different from stun

[junior needle]

This is the vet channel

[marsh condor]

Or a Helbore Lasgun with bayonet.

[mystic belfry]

That's about the best you'll get

[junior needle]

I question the choice of carapace perk

[mystic belfry]

It is

Questionable, I mean

[topaz pebble]

He wants big boi deletion

[flat pebble]

it’s inarguable it smooths over the marksman experience was why i brought it up

[mystic belfry]

But if you specifically want to hit big boys

[still leaf]

you like columnus over the agri?

[old quail]

some weapons are hit harder by suppression than others

[mystic belfry]

yeah

[elfin moat]

What’s best plasma gun perks/blessings?

[topaz pebble]

Colomnus is objectively better

But agrip is my favorite

[frank ether]

not like you have any other choice for non lasguns

[marsh condor]

Just some fun facts unrelated to gameplay.

[old quail]

i would fucking NEVER take a bolter

without suppression immunity

and revolver w/o suppression immunity has a lot of cases where it just feels dogshit

[topaz pebble]

Could've just left it at never taking a bolter

[still leaf]

it feels better to me, to shoot, just didn't know if there was some other downside

[flint lake]

Higher rate of fire applies brittleness and dum dum

[marsh condor]

The Graia and Agri Infantry Autoguns are basically Automatic Rifles like the BAR.

[frank ether]

bizarre

I dont even go left tree for like, most of my builds lmao

[old quail]

bolter is great u just cant smoothbrain faceroll enemies with old pinning fire

[frank ether]

It feels incredibly limiting

god I'd hate myself if my choices were like

[flat pebble]

it is incredibly limiting

[topaz pebble]

Bolter takes too much effort to do a middling job

[frank ether]

go left tree or cant shoot gun

lmao

well

[old quail]

it is no longer the "i mash a ton of buttons and come out the other end 25-30 minutes later with 800 more plasteel"

[flat pebble]

idk the josho build i just tried was absolutely crushing it

[old quail]

bolter is very good on a marskman build

[frank ether]

bolter sometimes struggles with sway

[marsh condor]

Just some questions

[flat pebble]

it just took some intentional use

[marsh condor]

Yeah, the Bolter's swaying is problematic for me.

[old quail]

like full left side gives u the best bolter experience its just u have to invest in it a lot to get the value

[frank ether]

I dont think it has to do with suppression though

[topaz pebble]

Takes too long to pull out, recoil animation is horrendous, and ammo economy is terrible

[frank ether]

bolter just sways

[flat pebble]

after using the bolter build josho used i can see why vets don’t think it needs a buff

[marsh condor]

I'm probably just making crap up, but I bet the new Bolter variant answers that question.

[old quail]

ammo economy is fine, when i run it the only serious ammo loss is vs bosses because i just magdump

[mystic belfry]

That's what I do with plasma, you can also take agile if you want

[old quail]

with survivalist and a left side build you 1 tap a lot of enemies

[peak narwhal]

Flamer pistol when???

[marsh condor]

By being a more snipey one.

[old quail]

its a super good DMR it just sucks for what zealot wants

[frank ether]

I run bolter on a shout focus mark build

I just take deadshot precision and leave left tree at that

[flat pebble]

the thing is imo the zealot really want it to be a serviceable dmr too but vet makes it hit the heights it needs to

[mystic belfry]

My alternative is VoC instead of exe and taking agile engagement for a bit more melee

Depends on if you like exe plasma or not (it's good)

[elfin moat]

Eh so close, perks screwed me

[mystic belfry]

What perks ya got

[flat pebble]

but also if they buffed it it might be too good with the current heights a dedicated vet can make it hit

[old quail]

well like, a lot of zealots i know (me included) used it with a much more hipfire oriented mentality (as in, you fire a burst, swap to ads, shoot once/twice, etc) because old PF carried the damage anyways

and now u have to aim, and aiming requires not getting suppressed

and dealing with recoil

and ur just fightin the worst mechanics in the game to use this gun and for a lot of people thats just terrible

[frank ether]

the only reason bolter isnt stupid op right now is because I have to be conscious about what I shoot

[flat pebble]

oh yeah ofc but it being able to be a flex pick against ranged elite has always been significant aspect to its overall zealot viability

[elfin moat]

Unyielding and stamina, don’t like either. 4 gets hot 3 volatile

[mystic belfry]

Unyielding is okay. Ideally swap stamina and volatile

[old quail]

i don't think it's terrible by any means on zealot, just not as good as it should be

but vet does like

fuck this up

because they made bolter much more finesse oriented

[mystic belfry]

Get maniac and either blaze away or gloryhuntr

[flat pebble]

yeah now that i have more experience im not sure how they would approach it

[old quail]

and vet gigaboosts finesse through the fucking ceiling

[mystic belfry]

if you're good at spamfire blaze away is really good, if you time shots more take glory hunter

[flat pebble]

apparently blazing piety cavalcade pf bolter is good on zealot

i still need to try it

[frank ether]

I dont think they can make every gun competitive on every class

just not feasible

[mystic belfry]

Or even if you just have issues keeping your toughness up

[old quail]

they have gotten so much closer

since p13-14

[mystic belfry]

But you shouldn't with capstone

[frank ether]

vet has an entire tree dedicated to finesse

[flat pebble]

i think they should continue to at least try lol

[frank ether]

keyword is competitive

not viable

[old quail]

irrelevant. people said p12 dclaw was viable

the margin of difference between the underperforming and overperforming weapons is way tighter

[frank ether]

doesnt have much to do with what I said

[mystic belfry]

Agreed, if you ignore recon

[flat pebble]

imo the meta is in a pretty flat place rn, competitive and viable kinda has turned into the same thing with some key exceptions

[old quail]

trying to achieve theoretical "perfect" balance doesn't happen but you can obviously bring stuff closer in line

[old quail]

[pine halo]

brutal momentum yay or nay?

[frank ether]

you cant buff bolter and not have vet benefit from it in some way

[mystic belfry]

But Plush is talking about top level guns, you're talking about all guns being viable/usable

[old quail]

recon outside of p13 was shit

[mystic belfry]

you're both arguing diferent points

[swift ingot]

A lot of the meta stuff at least for the lil’uns is boring as hell

[old quail]

and even then u had to do a bunch of stupid shit to make it work remotely

[flat pebble]

this is what we were talking about just a moment ago, yeah

[old quail]

and the way recon was good was so fucking degenerate

[flat pebble]

fatshark has indeed put themselves in a corner here

[old quail]

onslaught should've never been a talent that was released, same with stormtrooper

[frank ether]

recon was very degenerate I agree

[old quail]

they do stupid shit to weapon identity

[frank ether]

actual w+m1 playstyle

[swift ingot]

Shocktrooper

[old quail]

yeah

[frank ether]

and tighter hipfire cone than braced autos

[old quail]

me stupid

hardly anyone knew this but onslaught would stack per bodypart hit with shotguns

[frank ether]

Idk how to make recon a high tier gun without making it stupid easy win gun

[grave cargo]

Every single recon lasgun vet I have seen has been using an aimbot

Every single one

[old quail]

well rn it just has bad damage/dps

[mystic belfry]

Make it a trasher killer i guess, idk

[old quail]

flat out it's got NOTHING going for it

[flat pebble]

no one responded to this but it’s excellent, just swap the perks. PC4 and brutal moment are the recommended blessings

[junior grail]

So what youre saying is Kantrael Shotty?

[old quail]

lawbringer

[frank ether]

I cant even see what I'm shoot at with recon las lmao

due to laser effects

[grave cargo]

It;'s still effective if you aimbot lmo

[junior grail]

Its not so bad with scope

[frank ether]

what is not effective with an aimbot

[frank ether]

also you get a soft aimbot with controller

[alpine bear]

The shottie

[frank ether]

doesnt make you good at the game

but its there

[sharp ember]

needs literal aimbot to be barely acceptable

[frank ether]

I guess having it on a mouse would be pretty busted

and yea

recon needs aimbot precision to be good rn lmao

[flat pebble]

the current reticle friction for controller is way overtuned it makes it shit at everything in exchange for stickier targets

[mystic belfry]

It's not acceptable with aim bot

[frank ether]

shotties are very good with the right build

[old quail]

the problem is u hand a guy of equal skill a recon and an iag and they will do better with the iag

[frank ether]

there is even a slug shotgun

[old quail]

and itsl ike

[mystic belfry]

because you'd have to compare it to every gun with aimbot

[old quail]

not even close

[alpine bear]

Ik

[flat pebble]

your camera is all over the place without intentional control of it because your screen center sticks to enemies

[alpine bear]

I'm saying aimbot doesn't help if you have a shotgun

[frank ether]

It... does

[flat pebble]

how would it not

[alpine bear]

It's literally a spread

[frank ether]

they have quite the range

[mystic belfry]

It does

[old quail]

i mean like

spread tighten when u ads

[mystic belfry]

Are you saying that aiming with a shotgun doesn't work

[frank ether]

its pretty tight and some have literal slugs as special

you know... slug shells

[buoyant slate]

for helbores, what charge percentage is the best for ammo efficiency vs damage put out by the shot? 100%? 50%? something weirder?

[alpine bear]

I suppose but if you are trying to hit at range, use anything else lmao

[mystic belfry]

just aim straight up and shoot, you'll horde wipe

Wtf you smoking fam

[flat pebble]

this argument needs expanding on for the people hearing it to understand it lol

[flat pebble]

shotguns in this game have actually great range and two tap most non ogryn priority targets at most ranges

[mystic belfry]

I would rather snipe with any shotguns basic fire than any recon

Shotguns can actually beam out to a good distance

[alpine bear]

An opinion you are allowed to have

[frank ether]

shotguns are brutally good at any practical range you'll shoot things at in this game

[mystic belfry]

It's not even an opinion it's just better

[flat pebble]

they’re not call of duty shotguns

have you even used them in any significant way

[old quail]

an agri primary shot

with exe stance and crit

will dome a reaper at close range

it's nuts

[flat pebble]

i’ve heard left tree agri shotgun does funny stuff

[old quail]

agri shotgun is another one of those guns that left side vet carries HARD

its solid on its own but man

[frank ether]

grawr has this reload speed shotty slug build

pretty solid

[mystic belfry]

It does

[old quail]

my favorite sharpshooter build is agri shotgun

[mystic belfry]

It's not the best in the game or anything but it's good

[flat pebble]

that’s kinda why i like shotguns in general rn

[old quail]

shotguns are very reliable

[flat pebble]

they feel very potent but properly balanced

[mystic belfry]

You do need to be landing your headshots constantly though, it's not forgiving with that because you've gotta load a new shell for every shot

[old quail]

kant shotgun/crucis thammer was like

the old sweat zealot build

where ur weapons arent insane but theyre good enough to carry

[frank ether]

gotta have some skill ceiling

[old quail]

w/o subjecting urself and ur teammates to knife

[flat pebble]

the clip of left tree agri shotgun i saw was it OHKing everything just granted you got the slug shot off first for the guaranteed full bore proc

no subsequent slugs were needed

[old quail]

tbh the agri isn't super slug reliant

[frank ether]

yes but you can build it around slugs

which is awesome

[pine halo]

ty mate

[gilded lynx]

Hey all, is Charge rate on the Plasmagun a dump stat?

[mystic belfry]

Depends on what you're killing i nwhat groups and at what ranges

[old quail]

and i think people who spam slugs are playin the gun in a way that 1. isn't as fun and 2. isn't as effective especially if ur running marksman

[flat pebble]

yeah i just mean it didn’t sound quite so tied to the slug for moment to moment viability

[old quail]

the slug has a role and a purpose but the primary fire for me is still the primary fire

[frank ether]

fun is a subjective thing

[old quail]

i dont think anyone like really likes the weapon special -> do thing -> weapon special gameplay loop

im ngl

[mystic belfry]

Slugs are also absolutely dope at cracking open bulwurks

[old quail]

its a huge turnoff for people who dont like psword in general

[flat pebble]

get one of the good numbers

[old quail]

so on average i would say its not as fun to spam the slugs

and agri has the highest fire rate of the shotguns

so u can spam hipfires sometimes and while its not gonna do too much its still cool

[mystic belfry]

I like ps6 :v

[old quail]

yeah i love psword

but like

[frank ether]

its better on weapon specialist

[old quail]

lotta people hate weapons reliant on activation mechanics

[halcyon zephyr]

Does it have bloodborne remastered on it?

If not, it's shit

[mystic belfry]

Ps6 has no games

[old quail]

so like i guess im the opposite way around with how people handle weapon specialist

[pine halo]

i got dum dum 4, which should go?

[old quail]

because im fine using the melee proc with an activation weapon

cuz it doesn't really eat into the time imo

[halcyon zephyr]

Sony took the "PS3 has no games" thing personally and that's why we'll never get bloodborne on pc

[old quail]

but i kinda hate having to use it on a special-round gun where u have to load it in before u get the crit

[mystic belfry]

I'm not huge on thunder hammer activation despite thunder hammer 2 being my favorite zealot weapon

[marsh condor]

Dear god...

[old quail]

besides lawbringer, because manstopper + flechette funny

[old quail]

i wouldn't ever really bring agri for it i would just run revolver

[mystic belfry]

barrage

[pine halo]

this good or bad?

[mystic belfry]

Revolver is better, but agri is fun too

[marsh condor]

I mean, I don't know.

[frank ether]

its trivial to build reload speed on vet now

[marsh condor]

Which one to replace, I mean

[frank ether]

now many weapons even need reload speed

but when it matters it matters

[mystic belfry]

Imagine if weapons specialist loaded special shotgun rounds

I will continue to dream

[frank ether]

that'd be so busted dfskgd

revolver levels of busted

[mystic belfry]

it would be based though

Saltzspyre duckbill anti-horde mode go

[frank ether]

yea

Also the ammo replenishment modifier is underrated for autoguns

[marsh condor]

Imagine if Weapon Specialist works with Helbore bayonets.

[frank ether]

Its just that I dont have enough points to take it

because I take the stamina&toughness replenishment ones for deadshot ciag

[gilded lynx]

So this CR makes it meh?

[mystic belfry]

Go check your breakpoints

[junior needle]

Barrage is a useless blessing on everything it's on

[frank ether]

suppression immunity / suppression applying blessings tend to be meh

I'm not sure if terrifying even applies to melee chaff

[mystic belfry]

Give me ranged attack immunity on a melee weapon

[frank ether]

no

bad

do not

[mystic belfry]

Gimme

[south garnet]

Spreading disinformation in general if anyone wants to add anything, it's good timing for it

[mystic belfry]

Hand it over

[south garnet]

[tight scaffold]

returning player leveling up a veteran is there any like decent guidline to go off of for build right now? i see a lot of various builds but doesn't mean they are any good lol I'm lvl 16 for reference

[frank ether]

tell new vet players that the class is unplayable without suppression immunity and its the reason vet is best ranged class

[frank ether]

you just gotta choose a weapon or playstyle and then build around it

[soft trellis]

How is volatile on the plasma gun? I have this available from a purple melk plasma gun

[mystic belfry]

it's meh

It's not the end of the world, but it won't do anything much for you

[steel quarry]

i did most of my vet levelling with a grai mkviii and krak grenades just a bit ago, but people say that gun is not that great

[tight scaffold]

well when i quit playing it was all about the bolter now i don't have a clue lol

[floral lark]

Use laser gun like a man

[junior needle]

Just don't use the recon laser gun

[soft trellis]

I've seen players do good and bad with the plasma gun, I think it's based on experience and just skill in this game in general

[frank ether]

its easier if you decide what you enjoy first and then look for builds for that thing

[junior needle]

It big shit

[frank ether]

right now outside of recon lasguns and chainaxe

everything else is viable, good

[modern dome]

[junior needle]

Of course there's still some things better than others

[mystic belfry]

Real men use 90% melee with a laspistol in their back pocket

[junior needle]

Columnus, PG, revolver...

[flat pebble]

it’s to its detriment but it’s a very solid overall roll despite

[soft trellis]

and the graia brauto

[flat pebble]

what if you’re not a man can you just kinda do whatever

[junior needle]

Is the real brauto really that bad

[frank ether]

yea graia kinda meh but still not as awful as recons I'd say.

[junior needle]

Oh yeah, autopistol is also big shit now

[soft trellis]

the graia brauto is the worst of the brautos

[frank ether]

laspistol is amazing

[soft trellis]

columnus is now useable/okay, agripinaa had its ammo increased so it is even better than it was before

[old quail]

laspistol got a mostly unnecessary buff in patch 14 iirc

and its just

so good now

[frank ether]

Its so very good

[swift ingot]

I know

[old quail]

it was good before

now its even better

[swift ingot]

Yup

[feral hamlet]

lads keystones or no keystones for a helbore build ?

[flat pebble]

i feel like the stab buff did a lot that the laspistol needed

[frank ether]

Its what I always wanted from MG4 las

[mystic belfry]

It's usable, but why would you

[frank ether]

Why did they configure MG4 las as a marksman gun anyways, it looks like a cqc gun

[flat pebble]

it was bouncy as fuck before

[soft trellis]

I mean if you can aim... you could benefit from marksman's focus...

[swift ingot]

And I can’t wait for the heavy one coming hopefully on Tuesday

[frank ether]

which mark?

[mystic belfry]

Like when do you fight in a group using melee and think "oh, good thing I can pull my machine pistol out now"

[feral hamlet]

i have tried focus but i feel way too squishy using that tree

[gilded lynx]

I have these 2 plasmas and wondering if it's better to use these instead with new rolls?

[old quail]

it's current niche is close range specialist deletion with good stagger. problem is most guns clear specials at close range and the stagger doesn't make up for all the weaknesses

[south garnet]

Unironically why even bother experimenting with builds at this point, just wait. Guns, sure. Builds, no

[feral hamlet]

1 not sure if i should swap to a mk2 tho

[soft trellis]

the one thing you can do with the helbore build is get both -0.25 stamina regen delay talents and have the same stamina regen delay as pyskers

[swift ingot]

I’m 80% melee personally

[sharp ember]

graia brauto will ALWAYS be peak because it has accuracy ramp-up

[tight scaffold]

do any of the guns have a scope on them or are they all ironsights?

[old quail]

my unpopular opinion is that each iteration of the vet tree has been more fun for me than the last

there's obvious problems with it

[frank ether]

on mk1 and 2 its fast enough to use the keystone if you got onslaught

[old quail]

but i love weapon specialist

[junior needle]

It felt like dogshit when I used it last during patch 13, and I had a really good one

[swift ingot]

I just like to use Laspistol a lot

[junior needle]

Maniac damage was fine but everything was uh

[old quail]

i feel like autopistol on zealot can be ok. dance of death + annoint in blood + momentum make up for some of its downsides but its really just fallen from grace

[mystic belfry]

It's basically a backpocket for maniacs, yeah.

[frank ether]

zealot gets big spread reduction and close range damage so makes sense

[fossil basalt]

Lasrifles, laspistol

[sharp ember]

without mods only the kantrael lasgun has a holographic church sight, there are no telescoping optics

[mystic belfry]

Which is awkward when you can do that better. but It's usable

[woeful ibex]

Left side has better stats, Change Gloryhunter with Blaze Away and the infested damage with either Unyielding/Carapace

[soft trellis]

Weapon Specialist is the only one out of the 3 that I can see me really getting good benefits from. The middle is probably the 2nd best for me as a player

[feral hamlet]

yeah i got onslaught and surgical on a mk1 atm
im not entirely sure if i should keep surgi for for mk2

[old quail]

tag keystone feels meh to me, i don't really like the bottom middle branch outside of iron will +tactical awareness

so i just dont go further than that

i like marksman and weapon spec, swap between em depending on build

[eternal depot]

Trying to get a good laspistol, what are the blessings to look out for?

[swift ingot]

Dum Dum and infernus or Dum Dum and ghost depending on what you want

[soft trellis]

It's just the left keystone is not good for me, since I have bad aim... and I am even worse at consistently hitting weakspots with a ranged weapon <.<

[eternal depot]

cheers

[mystic belfry]

Raking fire is good too

But always take dumdum

[swift ingot]

I’m going to be honest I couldn’t be happier to see auto pistol get gutted, that gun made every match boring as fuck

[mystic belfry]

Las pistol pew pew build

[eternal depot]

iirc, vet tree is getting an adjustment soon, so maybe keystones will be a little less gutting to go for

[soft trellis]

This is, probably, the only way I could use the left keystone with any level of effectiveness... and this promotes bad darktide gameplay...

[flat pebble]

that’s what a community play tester said

[mystic belfry]

crouch slide between headshots

be the gamer you were born to be

[old quail]

to be fair, playtesters have said shit thinking a certain build is being shipped and then fatshark just swaps stuff out

[swift ingot]

Tag keystone is more fun

[old quail]

so u have to take it with a slight grain of salt although fs themselves said it would be easier to get a keystone

[soft trellis]

you mean a zealot who is more defensive than offensive...?

[mystic belfry]

what

[eternal depot]

tag keystone feels better to use, and if you are having an off day, you don't feel completely useless

[flat pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-sad-crab-crying-crabby-crying-sad-gif-13898061

[soft trellis]

That's what I'm good at. Zealot, and my play style is panicked gamer and defensive-ish

vt2 has me permanently scarred so every hit I take feels like instant death >.<'

[swift ingot]

It’ll be a cold day in hell before I run executioner stance, VoC for life

[old quail]

this is based

[still leaf]

iunno, I like it 'cause I can give my teammates wallhacks >>

[soft trellis]

This is the way

[mystic belfry]

Exe stance is good, VoC is my usualy choice

But I usually run 90% melee, if not more

[old quail]

i like infiltrate when im feeling a little more malicious towards teammates

[flat pebble]

what are my teammates gonna do with that info (🥲)

[frank ether]

yeah it would be wise to take it with a grain of salt and also dont take it too hard on the tester either

[soft trellis]

Executioner's stance is... better for people with better aim... meaning not me, since my aim is sub-par at best

[old quail]

absolutely

people blame playtesters for shit they have no control over

[still leaf]

hopefully know where the mutie / poxburster / hound is coming from?

[still leaf]

that's what I try to use it for at least 😦

[eternal depot]

I only run executioner stance in blackout missions

[old quail]

and fs is notorious for not-good communication

[mystic belfry]

Did you know fatshark nerfed the ping talent between the trailer and adding it to the game

Go check the trailer :)

[soft trellis]

I've always had trouble with aiming weapons in a game, it's not just the skill I have with it... there's something with my vision that fucks me up sometimes both in game and irl

[mystic belfry]

Or teaser rather

[soft trellis]

I can just... not see something that is there

[mystic belfry]

Put more points in perception

[soft trellis]

like a person walking on the side of the road

[eternal depot]

could be a form of motion sickness, iirc something to do with your mind and body not syncing up hence a disconnect, ends up giving ppl a feeling of sickness

eyesight* and body

[soft trellis]

It's more my brain doesn't always work when it comes to... seeing things

[flat pebble]

cast owl’s wisdom

problem solved

fat perception buff

[frank ether]

if you're playing the game at default fov motion sickness would be a natural result

[soft trellis]

I don't get motion sick

[mystic belfry]

Try looking harder

[frank ether]

I use weapon fov mod to remove the ads zoom in even

[soft trellis]

my wife would get motion sick with this game, but, I've never gotten motion sick

[frank ether]

I get hipfire fov = ads fov

[bitter scroll]

Has anyone experienced bug/glitch sometimes your Vet reload weapons instantly?

[frank ether]

yes

[mystic belfry]

Yeah

[frank ether]

I had it with mg4 las

a lot

[soft trellis]

It's my vision screwing up with seeing something. I worded what I initially said wrong

[frank ether]

I didnt complain about it

since its a useful bug

[flat pebble]

how do i do that on the bolter

[mystic belfry]

Have faith in the emperor, focus on him when reloading

Only heretics can't do it

[soft trellis]

Maybe a wayward psyker is doing the reload for the Vet >.>

[mystic belfry]

Man this guy in general trying to start a crusade against console players

[umbral scaffold]

"hey guys maybe console players arent that bad"

[swift ingot]

Controller for life

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/91Yy.gif

[swift ingot]

Only reason I play on controller is because I’m too lazy to get good with m&k

[umbral scaffold]

i mean the xbox release has brought out some weird people on the voice chat sometimes

[soft trellis]

Some console gamers are better than pc gamers. Some... are not and then the controller's ability to overcome the... game's difficulty can be... very hard.

[low vault]

Fr dude

[mystic belfry]

I play M&K for shooters, it's just better

[solar bone]

I still lack a good rashad. I would get one if there wasn't so many weapons coming up. Want to save stuff for them

[low vault]

Bro is talking in circles

[mystic belfry]

idgaf if you play controller

I like my rashad :)

[soft trellis]

same, I care how well you do more than what you use to play the game

Use a freaking snes controller if you want, as long as you don't suck then you're good

[flat pebble]

all i know is i used controller on darktide for a while while i was dealing with joint pain in my wrists and i was still carrying shitter randoms on auric damnation qp

people overstate what controller does to a player

[umbral scaffold]

hot take: its a video game just have fun

[mystic belfry]

no

[old quail]

nothing is funnier than spotting someone with really bad sensitivity on there controller just slowly turning their body

[midnight adder]

situational awareness and game knowledge are gonna beat out input device 100% of the time

[old quail]

idm console/controller players or anything but its quite funny when u notice the guy playing terribly is fighting the joystick just to look around

[buoyant slate]

i play with controller because my usual laptop setup destroys my wrists if i try to mouse and keyboard

[umbral scaffold]

erm ackhually darktide is my full time job, if i dont win a match a 6'7 dominatrix whips me across the back

[eternal depot]

idc if controller or not, just don't be detrimental and don't be an A** and we good

[flat pebble]

base controller sensitivity is a joke and i see a lot of people playing with it looking like they have a sore neck

[soft trellis]

I'm too busy trying to pay attention to the things that can disable/kill me to notice that stuff 99% of the time... x.x

[buoyant slate]

yeah i had to crank the sensitivity way up

[marble lintel]

did shotgunner get like "reovertuned" lately?

They seem like super op, or have they always been? Idk

[daring peak]

worth buying?

[old quail]

go for it

[soft trellis]

When they hit, they hurt... they just seemed to be given a better ability to aim and track players

[daring peak]

josho? in vet chat? a surprise

[old quail]

shotgunners were ridiculously strong at launch but now theyre a joke for the most part

[soft trellis]

but not by much

[old quail]

the most ive been threatened by them is the knockback

[soft trellis]

Yeah, the knockback can mess you up

[eternal depot]

imo, gunners are scarier shotgunners

[soft trellis]

or throw off your timing n stuff

[flat pebble]

shotgunners in the beginning were so scary

[old quail]

my opionion is that shotgunners should have their knockback removed and then u crank their ranged damage up

[soft trellis]

Gunners are definitely dangerous, shotgunners are annoying

[flat pebble]

it was like fuck they’re closing the gap!!!

now it’s like. i sleep

[eternal depot]

bruh no one can determine the balance for shotguns, even if they are pve enemies

[flat pebble]

shotgunner become the elite version of ground fire, one shot means no toughness

world hates josho

[soft trellis]

wait... does this apply to allies as well? I've noticed recently my corruption getting removed in medi-pack zones sometimes

[buoyant slate]

nah don't crank their ranged damage up

[flat pebble]

yep

that’s the point

[buoyant slate]

they have had higher ranged damage and it was a nightmare

[soft trellis]

Oh

[old quail]

theyre just so easy to dodge

[soft trellis]

I thought it was just for me <.<

[old quail]

and theyre fuckin fodder for scoreboards

[flat pebble]

helps the whole team

[sharp ember]

day 1 shotgunners were gods of death, never enter melee and 3 shooting you at the same time downs you

[old quail]

more than like, an enemy that does anything threatening

[umbral scaffold]

shotguns are weak against armor, our characters are wearing armor

[marble lintel]

I think it's cause I'm playing vet again, so shotgunner can just murk you in 1 shot

[flat pebble]

it should affect the ones your teammates hold when they put them down as well

[old quail]

i look at them and i go

[buoyant slate]

yeah that gets applied to any ammo crate or medpack deployed while you're in coherency with the deployer

[old quail]

"oo i get toughness back from confirmed kill"

[marble lintel]

they're basically a fly when playing the other classes

[flat pebble]

once i learned i could slide laterally it was game over for them

[foggy musk]

Hey guys im trynna get 3 perfect +3 stamina curios, and im wondering how u guys farm for them

Do purple curios have a high chance of getting a t4 perk when upgraded to orange?

thats how weapons work

not too sure about curios

[buoyant slate]

yeah slidedodges are a bit much for me. brain gets tunnelfocused on kill and the slidedodge becomes too complex to use in the moment

[flat pebble]

slide dodge is so good

[buoyant slate]

also controller

[flat pebble]

it’s easier when you can just tap control for sure

or w/e key

[mystic belfry]

I use slide dodges occasionally but I don't usually need them

[flat pebble]

you gotta spazz out a little on controller when you get the mobility tech going in darktide

[sharp ember]

the only method to increase your chances is taking Increased Curio drop rate on your curio perks, other than that it's pure luck in the shops

[buoyant slate]

i do get a fuckin' fat hit of dopamine when i go from a sprint to a slide to slip under a burst or close that last few meters to stabbing range on like a shooter

[mystic belfry]

I fucking despise that we can't spam buy curios

so fucking much

[sharp ember]

and we'd like to think high rating items get tier 4 upgrades more easily, but hard to prove

[mystic belfry]

if you push and slide backwards at the exact same moment at max push range, you don't need dodge slide for bursters

[craggy dove]

Mates

[umbral scaffold]

before shooters got buffed this used to be very easy

[mystic belfry]

Now, if I could just stop getting bombed by silent bursters

[mystic belfry]

Gaming

[buoyant slate]

managed to do it once on a sniper that decided to camp the exit route on the insert bad intel mission and i was the last one left

[craggy dove]

Omnissiah be praised

Eh ?

[mystic belfry]

Sad it's not claw 4, but it'll do the emporers work

[buoyant slate]

slide under the laser right when the shot was coming, brain him with a force sword heavy and keep running because the entire map was comin'

[mystic belfry]

Force sword??

[buoyant slate]

was playing psyker at the time

so what blessings for a laspistol? dumdum infernus?

[swift ingot]

Yeah

[buoyant slate]

damn, only have dumdum 1 and infernus 3. ah well. it'll do until i eventually get the stickerbook filled

[swift ingot]

I’ve tried for over 5 or 6 months and I have still yet to get Dum Dum 4

[eternal depot]

Oof

[trim steppe]

Dumdum T1 is 4.5% and T4 is 6%. T1 is not bad

[eternal depot]

the problem is, it is not dumdum 4

[swift ingot]

It’s only a 0.5% percent difference but I persist out of principle

[trim steppe]

Lol true dat

Preachin to the choir

[eternal depot]

even if it is 0.01% difference, still a major blemish. Gamer minds yaknow?

[swift ingot]

I care not for the size of the damage increase, so long as my damage increases

[mystic belfry]

dumdum with one of a few things. Raking fire, infernus, ghost

And flakiac

[frank burrow]

Hey all

Curious about anyone's thoughts about the plasma gun

[mystic belfry]

it shoots plasma

[eternal depot]

its blue

[frank burrow]

Started playing like 3 days ago and i feel it does heavy dmg but can't clear mobs fast enough

[mystic belfry]

It's pretty toasty when you reload or vent it

What mobs are you shooting with it

[frank burrow]

Base

[mystic belfry]

Stop doing that

Shoot high value targets not trash

[eternal depot]

as far as I can tell plasma gun seems to be like the anti-ogryn weapon

[mystic belfry]

The emporer gave you a melee weapon, make use of it

[eternal depot]

not a mob clearer

[mystic belfry]

no

it's anti-elite and anti special in general

it's specialty is that it can shoot through walls and has infinite cleave

[midnight adder]

use the plasma gun to nuke any specials or elites, bring a melee that can handle the horde clear for you

[eternal depot]

ah fair enough, I don't have one myself because I can never seem to roll a decent one

[frank burrow]

Dope that's what i felt it was meant for

[mystic belfry]

You don't actually need very much to make a decent one tbh

Pair it with whatevr horde clear weapon you like

preferably horde clear with some safety, like a shovel or claw sword

[eternal depot]

well I jsut recently got a decent power sword and it seems decent enough

[mystic belfry]

3 or 6

[eternal depot]

I'm right now, detoxing from crusher because I was on a Zealot spree for a while

[mystic belfry]

Zealot is my second most played class

[frank burrow]

I like Zealot, so far he is a speedy boi

[bleak dirge]

Im also fairly new, but from my experience, plasma gun is just for targeting special enemies or bosses, and it’s best to have teammates highlight stuff, and then shoot through the walls since the plasma gun can do that

[bleak dirge]

Literally haven’t played any of the other classes yet

[mystic belfry]

I usually melee bosses

[bleak dirge]

Just have played vet so far

[eternal depot]

up close and personal, how it is meant to be

[mystic belfry]

ye

[frank burrow]

Aight apreciate the honest advise y'all have a great night

[mystic belfry]

The only one that gives me troubl in melee sometimes is that worm faced fucker

np, gl

[eternal depot]

the fleshbag jumper dude? yeah he is annoying, ain't gonna stop me though

[bleak dirge]

If it’s a plague orgryn or the Bose at the end of elimination missions then same, but against beasts of nurgle or chaos dawns, I just shoot from a distance

What are y’all favorite melee weapons?

[mystic belfry]

For doing what

[bleak dirge]

In general

[swift ingot]

Chainsword

[mystic belfry]

Context matters a lot for me. If you mean a weapon I'd be happy to run through an entire mission with no ranged use at all, power sword 6

[bleak dirge]

Same, because shark tooth skin :333

[mystic belfry]

Not a chainsword fan myself

[swift ingot]

I run chainsword because Commissar larp

[eternal depot]

not a fan of chainsword, does this weird thing where it takes control of the camera and I hated that

[swift ingot]

I just never use the special

[midnight adder]

only on the rev attack, no?

[flat pebble]

ya

[bleak dirge]

Chainsword just gives me the good vibes, and it’s fairly versatile, so I don’t have to think much, just rip and tear

[flat pebble]

chaxe is on lights

[mystic belfry]

if you never use rev, it's just a worse rashad axe

[bleak dirge]

I use it a fair bit

[swift ingot]

I don’t care, Commissar larp

[mystic belfry]

I don't like the special. because it's dangrous to us in a massive mixed horde when you need it most

[bleak dirge]

I just have formed the muscle memory that the second I see special enemy I rev it up

[eternal depot]

I respect if it for the style though

[eternal depot]

because we all know, style > function

[swift ingot]

Exactly, it’s all about style

Besides I still do well on auric maelstrom missions

[eternal depot]

gotta look good killing heretics

[mystic belfry]

I like the armor for vet a lot

[flat pebble]

for orks style is function

[mystic belfry]

Looks great

[flat pebble]

and if it’s good enough for the greenies

[bleak dirge]

I just like chain sword because it makes me feel good, idc it’s it’s not meta, it feels proper 40k

[bleak dirge]

Yeah

Luv vet armor too

[swift ingot]

I’ve basically used nothing but the Commissar outfit since it dropped

[mystic belfry]

it doesn't help that I thematically hate chainsaws as a weapon, they make zero sense

however, I do fine evis to be fine on zealot

I just don't like chainsword

[ebon umbra]

i wear the undershirt

[bleak dirge]

If I wanted to use normal swords then I would have bought whatever shittilion other medieval sword combat games exist out there

[thorn yoke]

I Just don't like chainsword because 70% of people I encounter using them don't know how to horde clear

[mystic belfry]

Evis feels kinda like a worse version of saltz two-handed hammer

[mystic belfry]

I did

[swift ingot]

Completely fair reason, I hate folks who don’t know how to deal with hordes

[mystic belfry]

I started slasher games back on chivalry 1