veteran-class

[flat pebble]

if you’re solo clutching loner is putting up your toughness to tank the random ranged shots i guess

[devout atlas]

5% won't matter dawg

It should be stamina regen

make it 30% stamina regen fr

[flat pebble]

i just dunno they both seem dumb

[mystic belfry]

It will, because you can stack it.

[devout atlas]

30% stamina regen aura

would be

AMAZING

[mystic belfry]

If we're talking clutching, stacking movespeed is good.

[eternal venture]

That’s the main use case, yeah

We’re scraping the bottom of the barrel with these two auras

[devout atlas]

Like don't get me wrong

Loner is the 2nd worst aura

[eternal venture]

But they do have niche use cases

[mystic belfry]

Worst

[devout atlas]

nah

cope

:P

[eternal venture]

30% stamina regen aura would be cracked

[mystic belfry]

30% stamina would be insane

Like actually insane

You would be incapable of getting me to not use it

[devout atlas]

I'd adore it

pls

hot take but 5% crit aura > 5% damage aura

(not rlly hot take)

[mystic belfry]

Depends 100% on breakpoints

[devout atlas]

crit chains and on crit effects

[mystic belfry]

if it gets you a notable breakpoint, damage is better

if not crit is obviously better

[devout atlas]

ye

lemme make a controversial aura tier list

[mystic belfry]

Heavy attack, ammo, ult regen, and toughness resistance are the best per character

Of those, I could only see arguing ogryn

[devout atlas]

Ogryns suppression damage aura is insanely strong

[mystic belfry]

Yeah that can be good too

[devout atlas]

Honestly can be one of the best in the game, 20% damage thats very easily proc'd on automatics

[mystic belfry]

Mind you I am an extremely biased overwhelming melee heavy player

[eternal venture]

Stay Close is decent (for only the Ogryn)

[mystic belfry]

Idr if that one does all toughness generation or is the coherency regen

[eternal venture]

Bonebreaker is undisputed for a melee ogryn though

[eternal venture]

It’s just coherency sadly

[mystic belfry]

Then it's trash for everyone even the ogryn

[eternal venture]

So it’s like running 3/4 of another curio lol

[rain steppe]

Is this poopoo because of the low damage

[mystic belfry]

Poopoo because it's a recon

But also that yes

[flat agate]

and VIIa

[devout atlas]

VIIa is probably the best Recon rn actually

[flat agate]

why?

[topaz pebble]

Recons were meta for like a week

[devout atlas]

Slower firerate makes Storm Trooper somewhat usable on it

[topaz pebble]

Before they got a pipe to the knees

No you want the faster rate of fire

For crit chains

[mystic belfry]

Recons where never meta

[devout atlas]

Crit chains or not the DPS is garbage

[rain steppe]

Are there any good faster fire rate lasguns atm if recon is bad?

[mystic belfry]

they were good for a bit though

[topaz pebble]

When they first reworked the tree

[devout atlas]

It's a faster firing piss hose

[topaz pebble]

They deleted anything

Cause of stacked rending

[flat agate]

Consumes 2x the ammo of standard VIa, dps is lower, only thing it penetration over horde

[nimble sentinel]

You might be thinking of the Kantrael MG IV

[devout atlas]

most polished turd

[devout atlas]

laspistol exists

[mystic belfry]

The closest gun for ammo spewing is actually infantry columnus. You can use any of the normal lasguns or the las pistol though

[nimble sentinel]

that too

[devout atlas]

Recons are just unusably bad rn

Hilariously bad

No idea wtf fatshark is smoking

[mystic belfry]

Probably the worse weapon group in the entire game ngl

[topaz pebble]

Chainaxes

[mystic belfry]

Nah I'd take a chainaxe first

[devout atlas]

Caxes are better

[mystic belfry]

Easily

[topaz pebble]

Ill take recons over chainaxes

[devout atlas]

Chaxes dont burn your teams entire ammo while providing fuckall

[flat agate]

and sound like broken vacuum cleaner =]

[topaz pebble]

Shocktrooper

[devout atlas]

Chaxes can kill hordes, badly but they can

[devout atlas]

point and laugh

[mystic belfry]

Chainaxes do okay damage, they're just weird

[devout atlas]

Shocktrooper might as well not work on Recons rn

[mystic belfry]

To be clear, they don't do good damage, just okay damage

[devout atlas]

thats why I thinkg VIIa is the "best of the worst" even though its garbage because its slower firerate and crit chains make Stormtrooper sorta work but not really effectively enough to justify ever using

They gotta revert Stormtrooper nerf

[mystic belfry]

Make the light attack rev damage of the chainaxe count as a special attack

[devout atlas]

idfk why they did it

Recon wasn't ever busted when it had good ammo economy

because even back then it was the lowest DPS it just had infinite ammo

Now its a water sprinkler with no ammo eco

fuckass shit weapon

[rain steppe]

I don't know anything about meta, am I griefing with Kantrael MG XII lasgun?

[mystic belfry]

imagine

[mystic belfry]

That's one of the best guns in the game

[topaz pebble]

What shock trooper nerf

[mystic belfry]

Jesus christ I can't even get blessings for throw away revolvers

This is litterally the 9th one I've gotten with run n gun

[nimble sentinel]

smash or pass?

[mystic belfry]

Try it

[rain steppe]

Niceu

[south prairie]

I woulda loved to get run n gun for my laserpistol

[mystic belfry]

... Why?

[viral nacelle]

whoever piko is, ggwp

[mystic belfry]

Run n gun is like the most useless blessing inthe game

[devout atlas]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1021283359055425548/1057674968399368332/gulp.gif

so

shock trooper

[devout atlas]

sucks ass on recons

[midnight mortar]

Can you reliably hit headshots? If so, then you're not griefing.

[devout atlas]

because every crit chain only saves 1 bullet from it

unironically making crit chains bad for it

[south prairie]

Because then i can run and gun and the laspistol seems like the only gun in the game that doesnt have noticeable loss of accuracy on the run

[devout atlas]

longer crit chains = worse ammo economy

[mystic belfry]

Why would you fire when sprinting

Ever

[devout atlas]

thanks fart shart

[topaz pebble]

What

Why

[south prairie]

Because it sounds fun

[nimble sentinel]

speedload to dumdum, right?

autoguns aren't my forte

[mystic belfry]

Correct

[devout atlas]

because Recon (still a B+ at most weapon when Shocktrooper worked as you thought it did 30 seconds ago) is seen by Fatshark as the most OP thing ever

[mystic nimbus]

someone know explain, why i have the same weapon, one with more damage than the other, but the damage is lower, when i pratice (new in the game)

[mystic belfry]

You'lll slap with that, good rolls

[midnight mortar]

The VId had 3 weeks of relevance and so Veteran must pay.

[devout atlas]

post both weapons here

[midnight mortar]

Inspect the weapon. Hover over the other stat bars like Penetration or Stopping Power.

[devout atlas]

Go for it. Ammo over 60% on Columnus IAG barely changes the total ammo count

[cinder oar]

WTB T4 power cycler LOL cant get it for the life of me

[mystic nimbus]

ooh have others status that matter than power

[cinder oar]

imagine if you could trade, oh baby

[mystic belfry]

RWT go

[midnight mortar]

Like I said, inspecting the weapon will tell you. Most weapons have two stat bars with direct effects on damage application.

[devout atlas]

They should let you do that between your characters at least

[cinder oar]

I wish

[finite imp]

RAAAH RAAAH RAAAH RAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[mystic belfry]

The backstory for my vet is having to commit actual genocide to get a decent revolver

[south prairie]

Yeah true, the sell option in the inventory used to be barter, implying we privately trade them off to other npc operatives

[astral blade]

not meaning to complain rn but why have all the trash players come out to play on the oceana servers and treating darktide like its cod

[mystic belfry]

Watch as I slide very slightly to the side

[midnight mortar]

Weekend rush.

[astral blade]

the heck that meant to mean?

[midnight mortar]

More kids and casual players play online games when the weekend hits.

No school.

[nimble sentinel]

that's just another Imperium Tuesday tho

[south prairie]

And probably kids who dont know to treat this game as horde shooter rather than an fps

[astral blade]

certainly explains allot

but doesn't explain why they treat darktide like its a cod game

[south prairie]

The cod mindset is very pervasive, it is almosy synonymous to normie fps

[serene sage]

It does.

kids

[south prairie]

If its an fps with guns normies are bound to play it like cod

[serene sage]

Damn normies

[midnight mortar]

It does though. CoD is a much more common game for kids/casuals to have played.

[serene sage]

They ruined Darktide

[midnight mortar]

And they'll generalize that mindset to a lot of things.

[mystic nimbus]

its worth? even i dont have any blesses?

[serene sage]

shakes fist at air

[astral blade]

makes sense thanks for telling me

[midnight mortar]

Should be manageable I think.

[finite imp]

OOUGHHH dies after hitting a wall

[junior grail]

When darktide first started, Vermintide players can't help feel q lil bit of an air of superiority when newcomers struggle with melee haha

[woeful ibex]

so we get just different variants again and no new weapons right?

[junior grail]

Thats what they're telling us

New hoe-shovel and fan-revolver looks interesting though

[woeful ibex]

I wished we got the hellguns

[junior grail]

Hoe-shovel might work like Sienna's Billhook

[woeful ibex]

they’re already in-game

[naive hatch]

Who are you calling a hoe?

[junior grail]

Your politicians

[astral blade]

heh

[mystic belfry]

No fam, not really. I just want people to actually use their fucking melee weapons at all

I swear 90% of the player base does everything they humanly can to avoid using melee

[junior grail]

What if... bayonet?

[mystic nimbus]

whats is the cap of max health in a curio? (i got one 19%)

[median moss]

21% + 5%

[junior grail]

If ranged only players used the special melee of certain guns effectively, I'd be impressed

[mystic nimbus]

tks

[astral blade]

i mean i use my chainsword and i love it against hordes but i will bring out my gun against specials

[mystic nimbus]

and thougness?

[junior grail]

That's a Kerillian player, you have no argument

[median moss]

toughness caps at 17% + 5%

[midnight mortar]

🤣

[junior grail]

Chainsword damn fun ngl, only chainweapon I enjoy so far

Will have to see how the new chain variants hold up

[mystic belfry]

I don't care! Just use melee for the love of god

[flint lake]

Hope we see a glow up for the chain axe like we saw for the shotguns

[fathom edge]

Hope the new chain axe doesn’t suck

[mystic belfry]

Almost all of my games I'm seeing people use shit like vraks at point blank range instead of just pulling out their melee

[astral blade]

i just checked the new trailer earlier looks like there a new mark for the chainsword

those i could be wrong

[junior needle]

Very solid roll, it's much easier to acquire blessings (even if they're not t4) than it is to get a good roll

[flint lake]

I suspect all the weapons featured in the trailer are new variants which makes me curious for the potential of a new auto pistol.

[mystic nimbus]

Why one of them, blocked? i was putting the other one first

[mystic nimbus]

oh ok ok tks

[devout atlas]

Oh shit I need to watch this

[midnight mortar]

You can only modify 2/4 slots.

You've already modified 2.

[junior grail]

Yee, either that or Eviscerator. (Size not different enough to tell)

[mystic nimbus]

oooh fck...

[mystic nimbus]

in the weapons, have the same problem?

[junior grail]

Not a problem, a feature

[midnight mortar]

It's not a "problem". Fatshark intentionally designed the system that way. But yes.

Weapons have the same design choice.

[mystic nimbus]

yeh yeh, thanks haha

[astral blade]

practing mutant dodging

[mystic nimbus]

and blessing, have something like that?

because in transcendent i can have 3 i think?

[midnight mortar]

Blessings count. You can only change 2/4 things on a weapon or curio.

Your weapons can have at most two blessings right now.

[mystic nimbus]

omg

[midnight mortar]

Weapons get 2 blessings and 2 perks when fully upgraded.

Curios have 3 perks and 1 blessing when fully upgraded. On curios only the perks can be modified.

[mystic nimbus]

4? mine have 3 perks and 1 blessing

[astral blade]

also have my dodge slide on lock as well

[mystic nimbus]

oh right

[astral blade]

controller

is the dodge slide a pc tech?

[ruby copper]

should just be dodge then crouch slide?

[junior needle]

Forward is sprint crouch, sideways is dodge crouch, pretty sure

[nimble sentinel]

I know this looks bad but hey, autogun people, I get it now

[junior needle]

Or is it sprint crouch

For forward, I forgor. I got an ahk macro for it

[astral blade]

dont think i can do the sprint crouch

[ruby copper]

its depends on your settings and whatnot for spirint dodge

tf it should be just sprint forward and then press crouch?

[astral blade]

if thats the case thats simple

[eternal sable]

true sadness

[junior needle]

Yeah, you may need a bit of momentum to get more distance on it

I had to mess with the timing when making my macro

[ruby copper]

Macro to dodge slide????

[junior needle]

I also had to set up custom hotkeys so now when I look at it I can't tell what's what

Yep

Ahk is a wonderful thing

Takes a lot of the tedium out of the gameplay

[ruby copper]

Just dodge slide, its two buttons! Its not apex lol

but fair I suppose

[junior grail]

Man wanted to lessen the load on his pinky fingy

[junior needle]

Why would I press 2 buttons constantly when I could press one button

And at risk of bungling the timing

Especially in intense situations

[junior grail]

Its like the controversy regards Full Auto and Healthbars mod

[ruby copper]

because each dodge has its uses

[astral blade]

think i've gotten good at dodge sliding what y'all think lol

[ruby copper]

Full Auto MOD?

[junior needle]

You could have two setups for each dodge you prefer and still have it be much easier to use

[ruby copper]

you can regular dodge muties and dogs

[mystic belfry]

🤔 I went down six times that match from my party shooting pox bursters just as or right before I pushed them

[astral blade]

where the fun in that

[mystic belfry]

Dunno how that one was won tbh

[ruby copper]

Thats a dodge slide moment lol

[junior grail]

After that happens I give that teammate a good hard stare and shake my characters head

[bright cliff]

anyone know what the dump stat on the catachan mk4 is? not sure how cleave targets affects wave clear or if cleave damage is better

[mystic belfry]

I even asked them not to over the mic, still kept doing it :)

[junior grail]

Best fun is ducking right under a sniper shot at the last minute

[mystic belfry]

Cleave damage is better than cleave targets but both can be handy

mobility is the dump per usual

[ruby copper]

Mobility honestly

[astral blade]

why does everyone say mobility is a dump stat?

[bright cliff]

using this on zealot btw so I want high mob

[ruby copper]

because movement is the fundementals to surviving this game lol

[junior grail]

Sadly i encounter a lot of chinese speaking players ...though strangely they're capable of cursing in english hmmm

[mystic belfry]

That's a good enough roll

It'll do well

[astral blade]

lol so than why is mobility a dump stat?

[mystic belfry]

Because only the dodge count matters

[iron marten]

Just make sure mobility is >=51% so you don’t lose a dodge

[ivory marsh]

If u inspect weapons it might give u another dosge at 70% but not more at 80%

[mystic belfry]

it doesn't make you run faster or anything

[junior grail]

Players want killing power over everything else usually

[ruby copper]

Because you should be able to use your own two feet

[mystic belfry]

It's not even killing power over all else

[ruby copper]

but mostly dodge count

[junior grail]

No need to dodge a dead enemy

[bright cliff]

catachan normally has 4 dodges but this one w 79 mob has 5

[lofty lintel]

so how is voice of command better than infiltrate? infiltrate does the same thing and is even better u get 30% dmg on leaving stealth and 8 seconds of no aggro to do whatever you want

[bright cliff]

so that's helpful

[mystic belfry]

Just dodge count is the only mobiltiy stat that matters

[astral blade]

That makes sense

[lofty lintel]

like i dont see any reason to run VoC over infiltrate

[junior grail]

Infiltrate increase aggro on your teammates so theres that argument

[mystic belfry]

Because VoC is better 🤔

[lofty lintel]

explain how

[mystic belfry]

Stagger, hp for group

[astral blade]

Still those I kinda like mobility as a stat I love being mobile enough and fast enough to be able to get to teammates and Rez them

[ruby copper]

Yeah if you can get even somewhat okay at movement and still have two left feet, its okay if your weapon can kill the thing that would get you on your fumbles otherwise

[mystic belfry]

Infiltrate doesn't really do much product besides do objective mid hoard, all your doing otherwise is dumping aggro on your team

[astral blade]

Wait does sprint efficiency make you sprint faster?

[sick marsh]

Lol get jebaited mutie...

[ivory marsh]

Stagger. And perma VoC gold toughness means u can eat sniper shot or poxburster ur teammates too. But honestly the stagger is the best thing

[junior grail]

Mobility definitely useful, in a perfect world we'd get all stats high but alas

[lofty lintel]

that makes sense

[bronze palm]

Going from a 60 mobility to 80 mobility on Devil's Claw gives you... an additional 2% dodge distance.

[gilded rock]

VoC buffs teammate toughness (read: HUGE), can revive hands-free if spec'd, staggers any enemies in an AoE, and does not give teammates more aggro.

[ivory marsh]

Where ehen going infiltrate I am certainly lacking the other utility I am used to.

[vivid bolt]

Mobility in needs like 50% to be decent

[junior grail]

I think just sprint longer as you consume less stamina

[ruby copper]

inflitrate is very strange still on the Vet but still very good if used right

[ivory marsh]

The upgraded Voc is a noobtrap dont bother taking rev.

[cerulean void]

infiltrate is more clearing objective/easy revives/high damage/aggro juggle

[vivid bolt]

^

[ruby copper]

amazing with the right build and a helbore for stealthy bayonet charges on gunners and the like

[vivid bolt]

Better to take toughness and the cooldown reduction on elite kill

It’s hilarious on hunting grounds

[ivory marsh]

Hub dreyko is a perfect example to go Infiltrate vet

[astral blade]

makes sense

[vivid bolt]

You shout the dogs, kill 5, shout, repeat

[ivory marsh]

Yep. Even without any auric and essentially u always have 50+ gold toughness

[thorn lark]

I just saw your post while searching for ideas for my melee vet, i run a pretty similar setup with voc and stealth (or some variations of it, i take onslaught if i go iag or brauto, and always 2 charges), I do auric mael all the time with no problem. Outside of WS with the revolver specifically, i kinda preferred the tree pre-patch 15, i had less nodes to sacrifice.

[junior grail]

Oh when I shout and kill dogs, I get arrested. Double standards

[gilded rock]

I would disagree. For me it's aided in a clutch a few times, and general tightness many other times

[celest vine]

ATF agent in training

💀

[junior grail]

New vet tree getting compressed, hope its a efficient rearrangement instead of just deleting talent nodes, especially ones we like

[celest vine]

Nah theyre gonna delete all those +15 toughness nodes

[ruby copper]

The people who say the rev upgrade for VOC snt useful are crazy

[ivory marsh]

Lol u can revive the moment i press f any teammate except when a mutant or trapper spawns and didn't get staggered

[gilded rock]

I can see why more spamability is very big, but fire, which is the biggest threat in the game other than disablers, will tell your toughness no

[celest vine]

Gotta prepare for worse case

[ivory marsh]

Lol u touch fire ans press f again

That's why low cd makes it better

[celest vine]

So less toughness, but you get 2 more perk points

[cerulean void]

I will agree that VoC rez node is a noob trap on the premise that a lot of them save it for panic moments instead of using it on the reg

[thorn lark]

Shout is so good tbh, it reminds me a lot of my old gunpsyker setup with venting shriek. You just pause everything to unfuck a situation.

[versed merlin]

its such a fun way to play

[junior grail]

Once VOC revive can motivate hanging players to do a pullup, the I'd consider

[ivory marsh]

Also considering if ur teammate get downed why not press ult before?

[ruby copper]

Listen if you get hung then you get hung man

[ivory marsh]

See the issue at hand

[swift thistle]

If you have infiltrate, you can revive and not be at risk of mutants, trappers, hounds

[junior grail]

Aaaaah the days before Scryier Gaze

[gilded rock]

This is also a fair point

[swift thistle]

and you have two charges

[thorn lark]

I don't mind having no survivalist aura, i run all the time wit zealot and ogryns and we are kinda ammo efficient, but i tend to run it with voc in qp pubs, just in case

[slow spade]

infiltrate bad, be a real Vet and simply facetank UwU

[swift thistle]

and you have supression effect on release similar to voc except without stagger, basically same effect

[ruby copper]

Then be a zealot lol

[ivory marsh]

Issue is currently u cant afford more than 2 points on ultis

[slow spade]

never heard of it

[thorn lark]

Yes... i might go back to that build with power charges, venting and smite

and a revolver

[slow spade]

unrelated, lvl 400 Vet

[junior grail]

I will say this, I was infiltrated to revive a teammate and a Mauler overhead aiming for my fallen teammate hit me anyway and I got downed

[bronze palm]

"In response to feedback from veteran players about how difficult it was to reach keystones, we have made some changes to the veteran skill tree. Popular talents such as Confirmed Kill, Agile Engagement, and Demolition Stockpile are no longer available, eliminating distractions that players were spending their points on."

[swift thistle]

then just run 1 of the perks, both do basically the same thing, you're basically doubling down on the same effect

[junior grail]

Yeehaw gunpsyker brother

[ruby copper]

Same once with a crusher so gotta be aware

[thorn lark]

infiltrate is better on vet than zealot

like there's no competition

[slow spade]

but funny daemonhost instant kill :c

[gilded rock]

Alternatively, you use F and one or more of your teammates get fire bombed and go down. Maybe it doesn't happen to you but I've got my use out of it plenty 🤷‍♂️

[ivory marsh]

Well if i play infiltrate 30% close dmg with double ult but it was better at #14 by lenghts and now infiltrate feels eh

[junior grail]

My boss oneshot build disagrees

[gilded rock]

Agree to disagree, though yes lower CD def reliable more often

[thorn lark]

outside of that

i mean, infiltrate as a utility tool is better

on zealot it's a way to do more dmg (but you can do other things too)

[ivory marsh]

Well if he get's firebombed while downed and u pressed f u kill that bomber and maybe that trapper that will spawn (most likely ) and another special and u have ur ult in 6 seconds back.

On auric u don't have a cooldown on VoC

[ruby copper]

Remember, We may all have the same skill tree but we all play far differently

[ivory marsh]

Vet has a high skill ceiling and a low skill floor

[near lily]

does the blessing "Falter" works on the helbores?

[ruby copper]

Same thing with Meta anything, It may work great for some but It doesnt mean it works for all

[thorn lark]

same happened to me with a crusher and i was grabbed by a mutie while invisible too, because i think he targeted me before i was in stealth

[swift thistle]

close damage is only guns, and weapon specialist now offers crit chance that offers a more reliable + usable bonus for only 1 extra point

[ruby copper]

Falter is great for a particular playstyle usually but yes

[swift thistle]

and since I play melee veteran, that change did basically nothihng

[ruby copper]

otherwise Onslaught and and the crit blessing are best for helbore

[swift thistle]

infiltrate best use for guns is for givin gyou some time to line up a shot

[ivory marsh]

Its for my vetealot build that 30% dmg

[swift thistle]

close damage only applies to guns

not melee's

[ivory marsh]

Where does that stand?

[gilded rock]

All I'm saying is that in a clutch or die situation, that hands-free rez saves games. Yes spam is used more often for more consistent value, but the need situations seem to be exactly what that VoC upgrade was made for

[ivory marsh]

Another fatshark bad description case

[ivory marsh]

Yeah you do you

[mystic belfry]

Close damage and far damage are a gun range thing

[gilded rock]

That's what I was doing in the first place chum

[mystic belfry]

More ults save games because you go down less often

🤔

[swift thistle]

It would be like 100% better if it was melee, it would 100% let me reach several breakpoints, but you can't have shit in tertium

[thorn lark]

wait, close dmg is only ranged?

[swift thistle]

yep

[ivory marsh]

Dude ur not giving me the source it says 30% close dmg not ranged

[swift thistle]

oh

[ivory marsh]

So ur spewing bullshit most likely

[swift thistle]

one sec

[ruby copper]

In Higher Difficulty its 50/50 between spam or rev VOC

[mystic belfry]

melee attackss don't have a stat for damage follow off at range

[ivory marsh]

But then its fatshark again with bad description which doesnt describe things well

[mystic belfry]

Nah just always spam

[ruby copper]

and honestly Id rather have the rev vet on my side

[ivory marsh]

Cause u get downed a lot?

[thorn lark]

thy wrath be swift huhu

[gilded rock]

A valid point, but when fire or disablers strike your team, I like to have it handy. I have seen both playstyles work plenty.

[ivory marsh]

That's the issue with fatshark sadly

[mystic belfry]

You can stagger the disablers and fire units more often with ult spam

[ruby copper]

Nope because i can keep my toughness up just fine but a maul can still sleath crip walk up on a mf and down ya

[ivory marsh]

Lol u know maulwrs get staggered...

[mystic belfry]

• you can instantly recover toughness when touching fire empties your entire bar

[thorn lark]

same like the zealot node then, so you need to have you ranged weapon equipped if you want to power up the dmg of your nades

[mystic belfry]

50% and a radius penalty and taking a talent is just too much for revive on ult

[gilded rock]

Because you will always be breathing down your teammates' spines to be able to dodge towards the trapper and stagger? I feel that is unrealistic

[mystic belfry]

it's just not worth it, at all

[ruby copper]

Yes but in pubs that only works if your teamamtes can magane to stick together longer than a hallway

[ivory marsh]

In pubs ur teammates are bots. Worse than bots

[mystic belfry]

Your team should be in cohrency 90%+ of the time, if they aren't be prepared to clutch regardless of what you run

[ivory marsh]

That's the mindset u should have

[gilded rock]

The radius penalty is for the revive radius, unless Fatshark had another Fatshark moment with describing a talent

[ivory marsh]

Isnt it 6m with revived?

[ruby copper]

In a perfect world VOC Spam of course, but we well damn know this aint a perfect world

[ivory marsh]

Well

[mystic belfry]

Your world gets just a little more perfect when you don't waste our already limited talents on revive ult :^)

[ivory marsh]

All I can say is spam is more preventive than that shitty I HAVE THE REVIVE perk just in käse

[gilded rock]

The clutch is the point of the perk, my friend :) That is the point and you can agree to disagree if you like

[mystic belfry]

Also, if you ever hold your ult in case you need to revive, it's instantly multiple times worse than it already was

[gilded rock]

Don't be bitter and act like a kiddie because I dare carry my lobbies differently than you carry yours :)

[ruby copper]

Thats the beauty of a game like this

[mystic belfry]

I'm not bitter about you running whatever build you feel like running fam, run no talents if you want

[gilded rock]

I use it pre-emptively as well, dw

[ivory marsh]

But fire! Yeah cause reviving him while the fire is up is better than to wait out and use ur VoC

[mystic belfry]

But saying it's a great choice is silly

[ruby copper]

Its an amazing wchoice

[gilded rock]

I'm saying it's a choice that works, and it is a fun choice, and because it is both, I will keep running it

[ruby copper]

In fact, I dare say the God Emperor would agree!

[ivory marsh]

It's ok. But not amazing the time u pressed f once I already did it 3-4x

[mystic belfry]

If the upcoming rework actully gives us a few more talents to work with, it would be something I might consider, but even then eh

[ivory marsh]

Well i bet on the 4th rework by deleting veteran

[ruby copper]

And thats perfectly fine For you

[gilded rock]

If I was last standing with forty crushers running at me, you bet your ass I'm gonna get my teammate up in the middle of the fire so he can take a widdle iddy bit of damage 😢 and help with the situation

[ruby copper]

Do remember the build itself matters too

[midnight mortar]

I always found it a bit weird that people who build for clutching can't just agree that the utility of the talent point they spent for the clutch related build is simply "good". I'm more often than not seeing them insist it's the Emperor's Most Best Favorite Ability like they have to compensate for the perceived lack of meta-contribution.

[mystic belfry]

Not really, in this case

[ruby copper]

not everyone runs the same passives either

[ivory marsh]

U know Voc stagger in a area of 9m u can easily rev ur teammate before the crushers are standing again 🙂

[mystic belfry]

A lot of talents vary by build, revive VoC doesn't really

[thorn lark]

melee or range or both?

just checking

[swift thistle]

both

thats damage

[mystic belfry]

Damage is damage, it generally effects most things, def both melee and range

Might not effect nades, you'd have to check

[thorn lark]

so this one is only range iiuc

[gilded rock]

I will test to see if revive talent changes the primary effects radius of VoC, because as it stands the description iirc makes it sound like the radius nerf is only for the revive portion

[ivory marsh]

This is what I meant for infiltrate but close dmg is something different then?

[mystic belfry]

should be

I hate having to run it

[swift thistle]

the perk at the bottom

\

[ivory marsh]

But why does fatshark word things shitty

[swift thistle]

that one

[thorn lark]

if it's like anoint in blood it affects dots if you have your ranged weapon equipped

[mystic belfry]

They found it funny, idk

[devout atlas]

i fucking love lawbringer

[ivory marsh]

Close damage is like u know anything close quarter by wording

[devout atlas]

zealot carried tho

[mystic belfry]

Close and far damage are stats used for damage fall of on ranged attacks

[devout atlas]

still don't know what melee to pair with it

[mystic belfry]

Melee doesn't have either

[thorn lark]

that fucking sucks, because if i am i cqc no way i use a gun

[devout atlas]

i wish shovel had a twin that was worse at horde-clear but better at anti-crusher

(cough cough)

[ivory marsh]

Fatshark really needs someone to describe talents better

[thorn lark]

well, maybe i can do a stealth bolter variant

[mystic belfry]

You do a little bit, when you say, quick draw revoler to dome a special mid melee

[devout atlas]

Wym? Focussed Fire is very simple to understand

[mystic belfry]

But it's not what I want, at all

[ivory marsh]

I am talking about close dmg discussion we have.

[devout atlas]

I'm agreeing with you in a tongue and cheek way

[swift thistle]

you ever kill a specialist with a revolver mid fall?

crack cocaine

[mystic belfry]

That exists though

[mystic belfry]

Yee

[devout atlas]

Mostly alluding to the new shovel that's coming

[mystic belfry]

Also funny as hell if you have a knife to special punch dogs while they're mid jump

[swift thistle]

i got the its high noon mod, already fanning before part 2 comes out

[mystic belfry]

I'm still trying to get a good revolver :)

Still nothing better than my PoS

[thorn lark]

yeah, with a quickswap one, but i don't like that it forces me to chose a certain weapon if i want to use in the most optimal way

[devout atlas]

I'll probably use the fanning revolver more on Zealot and Psyker tbh

but still chad

[gilded rock]

I literally only said both playstyles are good and was defending the existence of the perk, I don't even think it's super meta brah 😭

[devout atlas]

Hopefully Deadshot works on the Agripinaa Revolver

[swift thistle]

quickdraw

[mystic belfry]

You can do it even without that capstone. Though it's how I run revolver atm

[devout atlas]

What were you gonna say btw

Am curious

[mystic belfry]

That armor damage weapons exist :v

There was no specific option in mind, there's a few

[thorn lark]

yeap, i have a build like that, i take wp on the left instead of the ws node

[swift thistle]

i mean, i would imagine that this revolver is going to be lighter, and therefor no more blowing heads off, but I hope I can like kill 5 shotgunners with five bullets

[devout atlas]

I need an armor damage weapon with a good 0 stamina cost CC like shovels heavy against hordes

[mystic belfry]

Claw 4, power sword 6, combat dagger with backstab rending for example

[devout atlas]

I'm kinda relegated to using Shovel for that

[mystic belfry]

power sword 6 or knife with backstab rending

[devout atlas]

I tried rashad but I got cornered by a Crusher and Bulwark at one point

[mystic belfry]

Claw wants stam

[ruby copper]

oh that reminds me, anyone have a fun Shredder Auto Pistol build?

[mystic belfry]

Rashad isn't really a backup low stam weapon, it's a main DPS weapon

[junior grail]

Not since patch 13

[devout atlas]

I've used PS6 but took chip damage from it. Knife with Uncanny + Precog worked fine though

[thorn lark]

it's called a fun columnus iag build now

[swift thistle]

its basically a peashooter now

[mystic belfry]

I run rashad + revolver with right capstone build

[swift thistle]

there is no more shredder

only peas

[devout atlas]

Shame on the modifiers but what should I slap on this? Probably just get better perks right?

[mystic belfry]

Charge cancel, push attack, light attack

[junior grail]

Why is it being called capstone btw? Isn't it keystone?

[devout atlas]

I actually don't know abt charge cancel, is it like plasma reload cancel with sprint?

[mystic belfry]

Capstone becuase my brain is fried from playing too many video games

[ruby copper]

I know its a peashooter thats why I asked if anyone had a fun build still

[mystic belfry]

Just hold block when you pressthe charge button on power sword 6

[junior grail]

I wish I can play too many video games

[devout atlas]

Lemme try this

[mystic belfry]

Do you have a columnus infatry rifle build that doesn't use marksman? That'll work.

[thorn lark]

that

[devout atlas]

Oh thats so dumb I love it, thanks

[thorn lark]

that's very good

[mystic belfry]

Do that charge cancel, then do push attack -> light attack

[ruby copper]

id have to remake it but could

[mystic belfry]

You want power cycler and brutal momentum on your ps6

[thorn lark]

and possible a perk with wp dmg or elites

[mystic belfry]

Here's basically the worst ps6 you want to run

[queen mason]

Every game someone comments about “spam tagging “ when I’m just using melee ( my tag is bound to attack )

[mystic belfry]

Stop binding it to tag then

Learn to click more than one button

[serene bough]

LMB tagging is troll

[mystic belfry]

Put it on either a side mouse button or left alt

[thorn lark]

this 2 tap a crusher

[ruby copper]

otherwise just leave it on your scroll whell

[devout atlas]

I like RMB and S for tagging. Weirdly that works very well

[midnight mortar]

To quote @formal lake
Okay for Antax vs Rashaad

Antax has a better special attack and push attack. The special is faster, and can stagger ragers during combo, and stagger bulwarks while you face them. The push attack does about 50% more DPS, being faster and doing more damage. Antax has cleave instead of finesse - cleave is a dead stat due to changes to Brutal Momentum.

Rashad has finesse instead of cleave. so it attacks ~12% faster on lights, and ~30% faster on heavies. With finesse it does more damage on lights and a lot more dps (50% on heavies) The heavies are so fast you can actually kill bulwark when they swing once. Rashaad is much better, but Antax is still a solid weapon, as if you lack melee skill and positioning, its much easier to use a weapon with strong push attack, since youll perma stagger everything. Rashaad DPS is way higher though, on both lights (hitting breakpoints antax can't without max stacks of headtaker / decimator, and much higher DPS on boss / elites)

Here's a video showing vs bulwark - antax is too slow and must use special.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1174148991152312381/combat_axe_2_vs_5_bulwark.mp4?ex=6578ff76&is=65668a76&hm=56b0d0a4d2dafa3d0e5030a41d56ac0bc530dc0077eaf5ac06fe11df8a288b29&

[mystic belfry]

That's more than you need to two-tap a crusher, but yes

[midnight mortar]

You should be able to use the Rashad to two tap a bulwark in the time it takes him to swing once and recover.

[mystic belfry]

I like rashad paired with revolver

[queen mason]

I want to keep it and switch to chain axe so i won’t be spamming during mellee

[devout atlas]

did you ping the wrong person

[midnight mortar]

Just have to know how to position with it

[idle carbon]

how does rashad work with the blessing that grants finesse on 1-shots?

[mystic belfry]

It will always be troll, remove the bind or expect people to complain, simple as that, really

It's your life, make your own choice, people will make theirs :v

[thorn lark]

i might reuse that

[mystic belfry]

That's what I run on my axe

[ruby copper]

Plus there are so many ways to play this damn game

[mystic belfry]

Kinda wish I had flak/unarmored sometimes though

[ruby copper]

Flak is nice

[thorn lark]

oh yeah totally, i tend to use a sunder ps6 now, because 3 taps is kinda fast too, and i always use a nade preemptively if i see a crusher

[north raptor]

help

[mystic belfry]

Time to go get this revolver murdered :)

[mystic belfry]

If you run krak and ps6, save nades mostly for bulwarks

[thorn lark]

i regen nades, so that goes for bulwarks too

[mystic belfry]

omg

Thats litterally the first good revolver blessing I've gotten

In litterally more than 50 revolvers

[thorn lark]

next blessing is run and gun

[mystic belfry]

Let's see

I mean

I can work with that

[thorn lark]

that's very good for a ws build

[mystic belfry]

ws?

[thorn lark]

weapon specialist

[mystic belfry]

Ah yeah, that was my though

Guess I just toss fla/maniac on it and call it good for at least now :v

[thorn lark]

if you go with the kill melee quick swap playstyle

[mystic belfry]

I do

[thorn lark]

hmm

check before changing your perks

[mystic belfry]

What am I checking boss

[thorn lark]

see if flaks gives you different bp than elites

or what you can oneshot with maniacs

[mystic belfry]

Well I'll need to change it to check either way, but sounds good

[thorn lark]

i mean, if you keep unyielding you can swap point blank for surgical

[mystic belfry]

It would probably take me another 50 to get surgical with my revolver luck

[thorn lark]

so, you don't have to build another gun for it

just changed unarmored and keep unyielding before commiting

[mystic belfry]

Will do

[thorn lark]

i do have revolvers with unyielding or carapaces locked on it, because i did not have the choice

[mystic belfry]

lmao I might need elite damage with agile not active

I one-shot every special with crit besides charger which is two-shot

with hs

3 without a second crit :v

I usually just melee chargers though

[thorn lark]

hmm i should also recheck my bp on my revolvers to see if should swap flak for elites too

[thorn lark]

hope it's with a claw

[mystic belfry]

rashad

[thorn lark]

that works too

[thorn lark]

but claw is the best way to tell them, non shall pass you motherfuckers, just take that parry in your face

[mystic belfry]

Meh, I don't really have issues with chargers

[delicate rivet]

U could parry chargers? Damn TIL

[thorn lark]

yes, you can parry them

[delicate rivet]

Thanks

Thats like a life saving tip

[thorn lark]

you can do it while backdodging

safer when they are several of them

and you can block parry too

[mystic belfry]

The main thing is a now body shot crit one-shot any special besides charges

which is dope

[thorn lark]

or, but it's more dangerous, you charge parry them in their face

that works mostly if it's the lone rager

you would be fucked with 2 or 3 i think

[sharp ember]

charger huh

[uncut ore]

damn they really kneecapped vet didn't they

been a hot min since I played vet and my ass always the loose link in the chain

[tulip condor]

Hey everyone. Need a good melee weapon good for horde clear besides psword and devil claw. Whatcha got?

[mystic belfry]

Shovel, power swords

[midnight mortar]

Besides psword, Ascend.

[delicate moat]

Combat axe

[mystic belfry]

Ah I'm blind

Rashad and shovel

[delicate moat]

Also helbore 1/2 bayonet with the right setup

[tulip condor]

Ascend

?

[tulip condor]

too slow

[tulip condor]

What about taxe?

[mystic belfry]

They're fine

[tulip condor]

mmmm

[mystic belfry]

Shovel is great horde clear if you're just looking to do it safely

Lots of stagger via cleave

Good stagger with special

[tulip condor]

ooooOOO

what about chain sword?

they better?

[mystic belfry]

It's fine I guess

[tulip condor]

how so?

[mystic belfry]

Light attack spam does pretty good dps, and you can take cleave blessings

Just never been overly impressed by it myself. But it's a good enough pick

[tulip condor]

Good enough for Auric tho?

hi int shock and all that

[mystic belfry]

Yes

[tulip condor]

maybe something to take into maelsorm?

[mystic belfry]

You'll be fine, it's just not what I'd take

[tulip condor]

What would you recommend?

oh you mean take with you on the missions

[mystic belfry]

I mean I've reccomend shovel and rashad axe already

[tulip condor]

right right, just thinking what else there is

Bolter feel more nerfed and I want another melee to compliment it better in those missions

just making sure there wasn't sometihng I was missing

[mystic belfry]

I mean, there's only so many melee weapons to pick from, you've discussed them all now :v

[tulip condor]

chainaxe

[mystic belfry]

usable but not good

[tulip condor]

shame

[mystic belfry]

Just try a shovel, if all you want is safety and horde clear, it's got your back

Knife can be okay horde clear with bleed blessings

[tulip condor]

wish there was a way for vet to get have another way to gain more attack speed besides that 10% one

[mystic belfry]

Right keystone

[tulip condor]

OOOOOO they should make that an ability

[placid portal]

Shovel imo is really good at pushing through a hoarde

[placid portal]

kill one with gun gain 15% attack speed

[tulip condor]

I mean in the middle

[placid portal]

[mystic belfry]

10% attack speed isn't inthe middle either

[tulip condor]

vet be dead if they put everything in the left side

[placid portal]

iirc Finesse also affects attack speed

[placid portal]

[delicate rivet]

Story of my life

[mystic belfry]

Nah,you can run marksman

[placid portal]

^

All in the ability to fend for yourself

also lots of shredda

alot of shredda

[mystic belfry]

Especially becuase this got fixed and works right now

[tulip condor]

WHAT

[mystic belfry]

Yeah it got fixed

[placid portal]

you no longer take more damage

it's a hotfix

[mystic belfry]

It acually reduces damage

[placid portal]

pog FS, after 11 months they have finally fixed it

[mystic belfry]

Marksman is a pretty potent build, you just have to be a gamer and land your headshots

[tulip condor]

OH FUCK YEAH

[placid portal]

the stacks aren't too big but does help push boundries

[tulip condor]

I can fucking shoot again

[placid portal]

[delicate rivet]

Thanks FatShark

[placid portal]

what have you been doing with your gun

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/guhan-amitt-jimitt-mammunni-guha-gif-13482550

[placid portal]

Also love how the new revolver has a SPEEDLOADER

[delicate rivet]

Another 11 months to give us expeditions

[tulip condor]

God i love bolter but not being able to use years of csgo skill hurts when playing this

[thorn lark]

confirmed?

[placid portal]

Yes

part 2 teaser

[tulip condor]

it sucked more than a 2 dolla hooker

[placid portal]

saw vet reload that gun with a speedloader

[thorn lark]

!!!!!

i missed that

[tulip condor]

sorry should i delete?

[delicate rivet]

Uh oh, guess i am a cowboy now

[placid portal]

Yeeeeee-Haw

[tulip condor]

NEW REVOLVER?

[placid portal]

Space Cowboy of the 41st millenium

ye

[tulip condor]

WHATA?!!?

fuck ya

brb

wait is it out yet?

[thorn lark]

later

[tulip condor]

damn

[thorn lark]

next week moment fr

[tulip condor]

guess im saving my plasteel then

wait so the marksman is fixed or that next week too?

[delicate rivet]

It drops on MONDAY

(I wish)

[tulip condor]

https://tenor.com/view/soon-cat-peek-gif-10008520

[mystic belfry]

Kill

[placid portal]

check at 1:54 of the video

[tulip condor]

haha how i make bigger

[placid portal]

open in browser

[mystic belfry]

^

[placid portal]

and ctrl wheel up

[tulip condor]

damn im dumb

[placid portal]

New shovel is cool

[mystic belfry]

Have we seen it yet?

[placid portal]

So the special switches it to a strikedown weapon

[mystic belfry]

... Huh? Bizarre

[placid portal]

in teh video so far, it seems that the ogryn uses it

[mystic belfry]

oh

nvm don't care

[placid portal]

lol

[devout atlas]

FUCK YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[devout atlas]

awh. I mean thats nice I main ogryn

but awh

[placid portal]

Dunno if the human characters will get it as well

[pine halo]

y'all what should which blessing should i replace. the only level 4 one i got is deathspitter that one good enough?

[placid portal]

Dum Dum is nice

[devout atlas]

ouch

[serene sage]

I won't like to you, that looks alittle bricked, but raking to dum dum is prob best

[placid portal]

but Death Spitta will do

[delicate rivet]

Damn u lucked out

[devout atlas]

replace barrage with dumdum

[mystic belfry]

This, pretend it's an agripnaa

[devout atlas]

is that sarcasm

[serene sage]

honestly actually are we sleeping on terrifying barrage?

[delicate rivet]

What no, looks good to me

I mean im just casual

[placid portal]

Dunno

[pine halo]

can only reroll one blessing friend. the other perk was really bad

[mystic belfry]

Keep either raking fire or terrifying barrage

[placid portal]

Suppression vs melee enemies are meh

[devout atlas]

its mid

[mystic belfry]

get maniac and dumb dumb

I'd probably keep raking fire

[devout atlas]

terrifying barrage is only good on surge staff tbf

[thorn lark]

ohhh nice

[pine halo]

so either raking fire goes or terrifying barrage.

[placid portal]

Raking fire + Beast of Nurgle = Stonk damage

[devout atlas]

what do you want on lasguns I wanna dump 500k getting one

[thorn lark]

on the other hand, using 5 bullets to do the job i do in one is probably not good

[cerulean void]

people will say terrifying barrage is mid because they think death is best cc

[mystic belfry]

I dropped

[pine halo]

i'll have to keep searching for dum dum

[mystic belfry]

SO fucking much money getting a revolver

[placid portal]

supression don't do much on a melee hoarde iirc no

?

[mystic belfry]

Litterally 50+ revovler upgraded to blue, no including what I sold instead of upgrading

[stuck bridge]

which las gun

[cerulean void]

suppression makes enemies cower, doesn't matter if they're melee or ranged

[mystic belfry]

Do you run deadshot

[cerulean void]

terrifying barrage is forced suppression

[devout atlas]

yea ofc I want a silly infinite ammo build

[devout atlas]

either MG Ia or MG IV

is IV any good (I have FullAuto)

[stuck bridge]

its good

[mystic belfry]

Either

[stuck bridge]

i like deadly accurate and headhunter

[mystic belfry]

Infernus for boss damage, headhunter for general purpose

[devout atlas]

I'll try that, Flak/Maniac I'm guessing right?

[mystic belfry]

yes

Flakiac remains good :v

[devout atlas]

I want the funny fast firing one

[stuck bridge]

unarmored if you can hit the one tap on gunners

otherwise ye

[mystic belfry]

Just take deadly accurate + infernus probably

[devout atlas]

first draw damn shame on stopping power

[mystic belfry]

Usable tbh

But go for better

[devout atlas]

fuck it man first try

lets brick it

[mystic belfry]

Roll to blue

[devout atlas]

theres a chance.

[mystic belfry]

Blue is cheap and might at least give you a good blessing

[topaz pebble]

Roll to gold

Fuck it

We ball

[mystic belfry]

I'd scrap it

[devout atlas]

I'm thinking Infernus + Deadly Accurate tho

[mystic belfry]

if ya need to use one rn roll it up

[placid portal]

How high is lasgun crit % anyways

[topaz pebble]

10%

I dont use infernus on ilg

[devout atlas]

fuck it brah

[placid portal]

Ballin'

[mystic belfry]

I mean

You're good to go

[devout atlas]

for my first draw and first upgrade

cheap and easy 7/10

[pine halo]

is 4 the best version?

[mystic belfry]

Take reciprocity and deadshot to be a gamer

[devout atlas]

nah Ia is preferred

[placid portal]

mg1a is more comfortable imo

[topaz pebble]

I still prefer the 12

[devout atlas]

I just wanted a 4

[topaz pebble]

But yea la

[devout atlas]

I will

[placid portal]

12 definitely one shots alot more things iirc?

[pine halo]

is la a number or just la?

[placid portal]

duck and dive

[mystic belfry]

You running markman's focus or ditching it?

[pine halo]

didn't brush up on techno priest

[topaz pebble]

Kantrael mgla

It's a number

[mystic belfry]

No capstone crit shooter build if ya want it

Cut off the capstone to be cheeky

[serene sage]

okay I don't want it

[mystic belfry]

Then trash it

[topaz pebble]

Optimal

[tall torrent]

mg1a > mg4 ≈ mg12
That’s my opinion

[serene sage]

no, im not that mean, i just don't want it :3

[topaz pebble]

Fuck marksmens focus

[serene sage]

Muck Farksmen Focus

[placid portal]

mg4 theoretically can get higher deeps

"Theoretically"

[mystic belfry]

Click fast

[topaz pebble]

Muck Farksmen Mocus

[placid portal]

Also fire while suffering from recoil

[topaz pebble]

The fuck is recoil

[tall torrent]

Even at max firerate it’s still lacking in practical terms due to less reliable consistent headshots

[mystic belfry]

But yeah, that's a good build for a lasgun with deadly accurate and infernus

[tall torrent]

And the initial recoil (which is what really matters) is way higher than the other two lasguns

[placid portal]

That's ma point, it can get insane damage effectively but its accuracy suffers

Kantrael always seems to jump alot

[tall torrent]

I wouldn’t say insane dmg cuz at the end of the day they’re not exactly dps machines

[mystic belfry]

it does help a good bit to run exe stance with it

[placid portal]

Fair

Exe stance makes shooting much easier

[mystic belfry]

Especisally when you ditch capstone and take tactical awareness

Also, with your crit chance from deadshot and reciprocity, you'll trigger infernus more which helps stack onslaught

[umbral scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eygE8P-9Jk
The AI cover actually makes Skillet bearable

[mystic belfry]

Plus just high ass damage crits

Build works with laspistol too, but you run dumdum infernus

[south garnet]

Fart muckman focus

?

[native lotus]

is brutal momentum good for a powersword

found a level iv one

[mystic belfry]

Meta

Power cycler + brutal momentum

[serene sage]

What's the difference between the queen of England and an English major student?

[mystic belfry]

Idk they're both english which is bad enough

[serene sage]

One is decently read, the other is recently dead.

[serene sage]

What's the difference between the queen of England and an explosive expulsion of germs?

[mystic belfry]

Litterally nothing

[serene sage]

One is a coughing fit, the other fits a coffin.

[mystic belfry]

You can fit a lot germs in a coffin

[serene sage]

okay nerd

[mystic belfry]

ye

[minor brook]

good joke

made me exhale quickly through my nostrils

[mystic belfry]

Did it expell any germs

[placid portal]

even if it did it already replicated its losses

[devout atlas]

should I have suppression immunity on lasgun on nah

[serene sage]

What's the difference between the queen of England and a bunch of Easter eggs?

Okay last one

[mystic belfry]

You don't need it, but it's very nice

[minor brook]

QoL is something you always need

makes game more fun

[placid portal]

Le me being a cheap ass MF, "Just take reposition"

Also Empra guides my hands

[serene sage]

Le me being a lazy MF, "Just shoot and suppress them back"

[devout atlas]

cant wait to be Whelmed

with this lasgun

Testing it out pregame and it seems to have damn near infinite ammo

[placid portal]

nice

[devout atlas]

So I'll just grab PS6 with it ig

two stam curios 1 hp

shredders and voice of command

settled for this, yes that on the top right is just for the 5% crit chance lmao

[midnight mortar]

The Kantrael lasguns all have very deep ammo pools now.

[devout atlas]

prob dont need the extra ammo but fuck it

[midnight mortar]

So you'll only run out if you insist on magdumping into every single poxwalker horde you encounter.

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/im-gonna-copy-it-nyteowl-im-gonna-duplicate-it-im-gonna-imitate-it-im-gonna-replicate-it-gif-24388670

[midnight mortar]

I like taking the +25% ammo so I can feasibly dump into hordes.

[umbral scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVtJ7mbasi8
This hits different when you know how fast space marines can actually run

[tulip condor]

@mystic belfryAll I can make in such notice. bad rolls from hardron

[placid portal]

ngl the 5% crit is quite the big money

[native lotus]

is this good

[devout atlas]

I don't suggest you do since I have quite literally never ran lasguns before after skill tree rework

[tulip condor]

oh well gonna tryt it out

[devout atlas]

I'm glad you see the vision

[placid portal]

I am a lucius gamer, any increase in crit % is good for me

[abstract lily]

DA KILLING NEVA ENDS!!!

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/astartes-warhammer40k-spacemarine-armour-laser-gif-17566336

[devout atlas]

the idea of this build is hold M1 and never let go if there are elites/specials on the screen

Ia is probably better though the firerate on this fast one isn't even that high. At least it'll stack Infernus a bit better

Headhunter would've defo been a waste here even with WeaponFOV shenanigans the camera recoil is silly

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-cat-speed-super-speed-kill-me-gif-19047357

TIME TO EARN OUR PAY

[devout atlas]

If anyone wants a life hack with mods for lasguns. Use the recon lasgun sight with red dot 2 on top

Further away from muzzle so less muzzle flash and the smaller reticle helps with mitigating the camera recoil even though its kinda cheap

I used weapon fov to further increase the models fov while in ADS making it more zoomed out so it isn't up in my face shaking like a damn Nokia phone on vibrate

I'll take a vid of how it looks after I finish pooping

[mystic belfry]

tmi

[devout atlas]

a girls gotta shit

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-steve-carell-michael-scott-embarrassed-hide-gif-290143511537128913

Still tryna get a lasgun Ia above 370 rating

[placid portal]

just get 80 DMG + Stopping Power & Stability(optional)

so 160rating

[junior needle]

Stability seems to not do shit because my infantry lasguns still bounce a ton even at 80%

[placid portal]

pretty much

[tender inlet]

Which powersword for a more melee focus?

[placid portal]

mk6 is a good melee one two killer fuckery

[tender inlet]

So mk3's been left behind like a lot of the oldies?

[mystic belfry]

Kinda tempted to get a rashad with this and brutal momentum

[placid portal]

might be good

maybe it'll even make breakpoints for bruisers

[mystic belfry]

The question is if it's better than headtaker

[placid portal]

headtaker builds up stacks pretty fast and more useful on durable enemies

[frail bolt]

what are the stat priotiy for the mk 3 power sword?

is mobility at the bottom?

[serene sage]

yes

[mystic belfry]

Two stacks

[placid portal]

nice

Hm

could be a good hoarde clearing

[whole moon]

It's still a good weapon, I do like mine but the 6 is better against crushers while still wrecking hordes so....

[placid portal]

esp mixed hoarde

[frail bolt]

what blessing/perk do i replace?

[placid portal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1180706525052944424/Brain_Damage_.gif?ex=657e65a4&is=656bf0a4&hm=fb1a81c4ab986ba039ace19349074ff2779c8496520cdd7309d4121a0a47b176&

[frail bolt]

is that.... is that real?

[wraith locust]

replace the weapon

[frail bolt]

so just get the blessing?

[whole moon]

Supercharge to Power Cycler 3 or 4. Infested to flak/maniac

[wraith locust]

if you want yea

[frail bolt]

cuz i dont have slaughterer

[serene sage]

it's a dumb stat but not that dumb, if this is your first PS then supercharge to power cycler 4
if this is your main weapon then I think keep looking and just take slaughterer

[frail bolt]

cuz i still have thing one

[mystic belfry]

Just barely not enough to overhead with five stacks

[frail bolt]

and this back up

[tender inlet]

You should probably at least grab tier 3 power cycler before using a power sword

[hollow ibex]

even pc3 feels bad tbh lol

[whole moon]

That's better to work on imo. Wrath to PC, Unyielding to Maniac

[tender inlet]

Yeah, but it fits the 1-2 of mk6

So it's bad, but not awful

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[frail bolt]

kk. thx

sadly i havent been lucky to get pc anything

[mental parcel]

I wanna know who go the highest lvl character, since i got a friend who has his zealot at lvl 2200+

[frail bolt]

i dont have that mod downloaded to show, lol

[iron marten]

Just keep at it, you’ll get it soon!

[frail bolt]

:>

[placid portal]

well well i'd be damned

I think it'll do well vs mixed hoard I guess

[frail bolt]

also, what's the real difference between the mk 3 and mk 6 sword? aside the attack pattern

[junior grail]

I suggest Mez Mod pack if you're interested. It covers all the essentials

[placid portal]

That's about it,

[wraith locust]

push atk

[mystic belfry]

oneshot

[iron marten]

Mk6 charge slows you down

Mk3 doesn’t

[wraith locust]

mk6 also costs less to block

[placid portal]

Oh, you can sprint while powering up mk3 but mk6 can powerup cancel with block

[junior grail]

Mk 6 can deal with any threat but requires skill, mk 3 is easy to use

[celest vine]

You can dodge to avoid the movement slow

[frail bolt]

ah

[celest vine]

The mk3 tho feels better

[mystic belfry]

With a crit in two-shots

headshot overheads

[placid portal]

based

[mystic belfry]

No carapace damage

[celest vine]

The wide swipe on the Mk3 is the heavy attack

Mk6 light attack spam for days

[mystic belfry]

five shots crushers at max stacks

no crit

almost four shots

[placid portal]

if it crits then maybe less than 4 ye?

[iron marten]

This. But you can hold block with mk6 while charging, to cancel the entire animation