veteran-class

[topaz pebble]

Not or speed loader

[flat pebble]

since the update at least on zealot you can use them against almost everything in the game except crushers and bosses, i don’t think they’re niche anymore

[topaz pebble]

Or raking fire

Like the iag blessings are all kinda mid

[tall torrent]

Oh I wrote that list for vet

[topaz pebble]

It's just a testament to how good the colomnus is

[tall torrent]

On zealot yea shotguns are peak

[flat pebble]

my point is that zealot makes even worse use of guns, vet should be able to make shotguns even further elevated as useful

[topaz pebble]

I feel like it's the opposite

Chastise makes every gun good

[flat pebble]

that’s for sure a given

but i don’t run chastise 90% of the time

[karmic musk]

I mean, its called your old default skills pre-patch 13

[civic bay]

One downside with shotguns is that Weapon Specialist will only reload normal ammo and you’ll have to shove any special ammo in manually

[topaz pebble]

People use special ammo?

[tall torrent]

Zealot kinda gets to use shotguns better than vet imo

Chastise has armor downgrade
And zealot has close range dmg buff for guns so zealot shotgun actually hits better breakpoints than vet

[civic bay]

I like my slug shotgun aha

[topaz pebble]

Like the agrip is the only special ammo I use

Occasionally

9/10 though, I just use the normal shots

It takes too long to reload a single special round

[burnt onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/real-shotgun-shoot-fire-bang-gif-16211419

[civic bay]

Though with right blessings you can one tap heads on enough things even with slug shotgun normals

[topaz pebble]

Like I'll load it during downtimes, but I won't be actively loading it

[flat pebble]

keep in mind my opinion is based on the absence of chastise, and the close range buff is excellent but vet gets all their stuff in addition to just free 5% ranged damage nodes here and there

[urban steppe]

chain axe time boyss ?

[ebon umbra]

dclaw boys, how y'all feel about stamina curios? I have been dicking around with them in the psykhanium v mixed hordes and psuedo crusher/mauler patrols and i've also brought them in games. The extra parries help so i can ration dodges but god i love maxing hp

[karmic musk]

you shouldnt even need blessings to one tap heads with slug, considering how slow it is to load

[karmic musk]

I never go without one +3 stam

[civic bay]

edited to specify the normal shots

[ebon umbra]

any healthy blends of stamina perks that could decently replicate stamina curio boons??

[topaz pebble]

I don't use stam with dclawa

[flat pebble]

with left tree vet agri shotgun ohk kill chains

[civic bay]

not the slugs themselves

[karmic musk]

Leveling a new Vet with default stam feels trash

[flat pebble]

no slug required except the first to secure full bore

[karmic musk]

Gimme my +3 back

[topaz pebble]

Feel like the party is good enough at protecting you

Agrip spread is so tight that it might as well be a slug half the time

[flat pebble]

but clearly yeah the plasma outclasses the shotgun on vet like it’s not even close

[civic bay]

At “close range” it’s tight enough to land most if not all on head yeah

[topaz pebble]

See in my opinion, I feel like revolver is the strongest weapon in the game

Handcannon surgical is broken

Ammo economy is one of the best in the game

[civic bay]

Handcannon was actually broken for a while haha

[topaz lance]

seems like we're getting anew laspistol

[flat pebble]

in my recent 35 or so levels with plasma vet i feel like plasma is just better revolver

[serene bough]

Its strong but idk about the strongest

[civic bay]

Rending on everythinggggg

[topaz pebble]

Like plasma guzzles ammo

3 ammo for uncharged shots except you only get 1 ammo back from survivalist

[serene bough]

Its limited by clip size and reload which is why it's balanced for its power

[flat pebble]

but i also have a perfect god rolled revolver in my zealot and vets is considerably worse so that could affect my revolver vet opinion

[topaz pebble]

Tins give 18 ammo or 6 uncharged shots

[flat pebble]

my tins give back 20

[topaz pebble]

Stashes give like 60 some ammo

[flat pebble]

max ammo baybeee

[civic bay]

Revolver only gets an ammo back every other elite/specialist kill though

[topaz pebble]

Point taxed, couldn't get the extra ammo perk

[ebon umbra]

based

[flat pebble]

if you play the plasma smart and have survivalist in a normal team situation you shouldn’t really ever have ammo problems on vet

the floor doth provide

[civic bay]

Better economy than Plasma, but still lower than the guns with 500+ reserve that can still one tap lots of elites/specialists

[topaz pebble]

With how they love to spawn shotgunners and gunners inside each other I consistently land collats

[flat pebble]

if you have even one shitty ammo guzzling person on your team you immediately need to consider the plasma’s ammo economy though

[topaz pebble]

HISTG is a drug

[civic bay]

at the same time, Revolver laughs at Crushers and can kill multiple with one shot

[serene bough]

Depending on the weapon can spam and magdump on hordes and still never run out of ammo w/ survivalist

[topaz pebble]

Like yeah, when I play revolver vet I go through an entire mission without picking up a single tin

[flat pebble]

revolver ammo economy is honestly excellent

i use it on the scab only no ammo modifiers as a zealot if there’s a survivalist vet and literally never need to “pick up” ammo

[elder vessel]

@fallow compass behold Kindred, 2 handed power sword

[civic bay]

Yeah, I usually pick up no ammo regardless of weapon (on normal Damnation, not Auric)

Survivalist is too good if you don’t spray randomly

[topaz pebble]

The eternal rat race for plasteel

[flat pebble]

i just take survivalist as the support pick tbh

[umbral scaffold]

"Y-y-yes Dreg Shotgunner . . ."
"Anything y-y-you want!"

[flat pebble]

it makes zealots and ogryns run way smoother which makes me playing my vet run way smoother

[topaz pebble]

It's always nice when you shoot a single enemy only for 3 names to popup on the killfeed

And it's like, oh cool

[fallow compass]

Weeps with happiness*

[cold shuttle]

is a trinket with 16tough+5 toughness good?

the other two perks are shit but can be replaced

[civic bay]

That’s the thing… lots of people sacrificing the ammo economy of the entire team so that they can kill like one specific enemy with one less shot

[topaz pebble]

Yesh

That curio is good

[cold shuttle]

❤️

what two other stats should I put on?

[flat pebble]

you’re gonna hold onto this curio for a long time

[topaz pebble]

I'd take gunner for one of the perks

And I'm a cdr enjoyer

[flat pebble]

i’d take gunner/sniper+health as the other two

you got options

[topaz pebble]

Fuck gunners

[civic bay]

unless you have a bunch of staff Psykers, Survivalist just makes the whole team run so much smoother

[cold shuttle]

yeah gunner is pretty safe, and then I'll chew on CDR or something else

[topaz pebble]

I miss when grenade tinkerer had thy wrath be swift

[cold shuttle]

yeah I always get sad when I play other classes and we have veterans without survivalist 😦

[flat pebble]

health makes getting caught by a burster or sniper feel less like dogshit

[elder vessel]

Surv has a staggering impact on the game compared to Fireteam and Close and Kill

[cold shuttle]

I wish more classes could get something similar

a weaker version or whatever

so vets arent pigeonholed

[civic bay]

I would lean towards Gunner over Sniper, personally. Gunners don’t stop shooting while Snipers can technically be avoided on reaction

[topaz pebble]

Well it's just how intrinsically broken survivalist is compared to literally any other aura

But yes fuck gunners

[civic bay]

Sniper resist will save your butt but eventually you should get used to dodging them

[topaz pebble]

Shooters shouldn't stagger youz change my mind

[flat pebble]

i usually do 2 gunners one sniper

[topaz pebble]

Oh wait, you cant

[civic bay]

Gunners that aren’t handled just create deathzones…

[flat pebble]

then the rest as health and toughness

[elder vessel]

I hate the movement speed fuckery

[topaz pebble]

Like gunners and reapers, sure

[flat pebble]

i honestly don’t feel like gunners are that much of a problem but i run the gunner resist because that’s what everyone always says is so busted

[topaz pebble]

Normal shooters? Really? Hell no

[fallow compass]

Gunners and flamers are what i target for curios

[cold shuttle]

I feel like how snipers/dogs are now vs how they were when I took my break in april or whatever is a completely different world

so I feel quite confident vs snipers/dogs

[topaz pebble]

Being able to push dogs

[flat pebble]

snipers just suck because they get cheap shots in the current sandbox often

[cold shuttle]

even on ogryn who can take snipepr shots in the head through hordes etc 😄

[flat pebble]

or audio cues get smothered

[fallow compass]

Dogs are very easy to dodge now with that whole 1 second delay they have now

[civic bay]

Yeah it’s the cheap shots that get ya orz

or the shots through the wall rofl

[topaz pebble]

We keep laughing saying that we would't believe we push dogs out of the air

[cold shuttle]

haha ye

life before was...rough 😄

[flat pebble]

god last december’s dogs were such villains in comparison

[cold shuttle]

mhm

[topaz pebble]

Old ass clip

[fallow compass]

Back when weapons only had yellow bars to determin if they were good or not

[delicate estuary]

save me from these maelstrom pubs 💀

[civic bay]

Flamer resist kinda pointless I think? Since it’ll remove your toughness 100% regardless

[delicate estuary]

bolter exe stance

fucking sweating my balls off

💀

[cold shuttle]

mmm, the good old days

[civic bay]

and you shouldn’t activey be standing in the fire for long enough to benefit from that

[flat pebble]

flamer resist is pointless

and apparently bomber resist isn’t actually scab bombers but bursters and is also bugged not to work anyway

[civic bay]

wtf LOL

[cold shuttle]

quick annoying thing I noticed though, getting fire dmg in the belly of a nurgle beast

that was pretty lol 😄

[iron marten]

the other dude taking their time to save you with a bolter is lmao

[civic bay]

but still useless regardless

[topaz pebble]

You can get hit when you're vofed

It's very noticable when you have teammates baiting his slam

[karmic musk]

Got to reset that aim

[topaz pebble]

You get hit by the same every time

Dude, bolter recoil is so bad

[flat pebble]

ya, bolter

[topaz pebble]

Like the animation is so jarring it feels terribke

[civic bay]

I had a mutant slam me in fire, 100-0 for that one mistake qq

[flat pebble]

it’s a lunchbox that shoots micro rockets

[karmic musk]

Emperor designed trash

[iron marten]

first time?

you get used to it...

[topaz pebble]

Like the visual representation of the recoil is so much worse compared to the actual recoil

[civic bay]

I’m usually pretty aware of flamer cues so the combination doesn’t happen too often for me xD

and I’m not on Auric so not as many swarms from modifiers

[iron marten]

I would be too, but hi int shock troop gauntlet spawns so much, I forget if I killed all the specialists the game spawned after killing 9 or so specialists

[civic bay]

yeah that would do it ahaha

didn’t one of the recent patches also spawn a few too many flamers?

[iron marten]

yeah, patch 13 lol

[civic bay]

like groups of 7+ or such

[karmic musk]

Human penalty for using Astartes weapon

[iron marten]

I love hearing the sound of a stove starting up multiple times!

[civic bay]

I’m glad you can hear multiple flamers

for double trappers you might not hear until it’s too late -_-

have learned to be more cautious when going for rescues lol

[iron marten]

true horror is double poxbursters, but they're split up just enough that you can push the first one, but you can't push the 2nd one in time cause the first one exploded

[civic bay]

oh god the poxburster cue stacking is pretty bad too, yeah

though a lot of the time you end up exploding both at once

[serene sage]

Voice of Command stays winning

[safe quiver]

How different the new revolver gonna be in your opinion guys ? Do u think its still gonna be the same accurate gun but with fanning on hip fire ? Or something totally different ?

[iron marten]

I use exe stance on my revo

[karmic musk]

Plot twist: your teammate shoots the poxburster before you push it

Gotta love leveling alts

[civic bay]

I’d guess less damage faster shooty but who knows xD

[karmic musk]

what new revolver

[safe quiver]

The new MK revolver

[civic bay]

I still get scared running to push a burster because teammates might pull the trigger

[iron marten]

it's in the trailer

make you feel like revolver ocelot

[civic bay]

new shovel and revolver were confirmed for next patch, and the image has a chainaxe so prolly that too

along with others, based on the wording

[safe quiver]

U can see some of them in the new trailer for a bit

[karmic musk]

hmm not seeing any weapons in the trailer

[safe quiver]

If the ADS dmg not gonna be ass id play the shit out of this gun

[karmic musk]

unless its the squad walking for abit at the end

but then i dont see a revolver

ohwait its the text

not in the trailer

[iron marten]

the speedloader looks tempting, but I'm too used to the revo I have now, cause it's basically playing csgo - headshotting everything

[civic bay]

Weapon Specialist is your speedloader

[karmic musk]

Well assuming Quickdraw Revolver, its gonna be lower damage faster firing

[iron marten]

you cannot tell me one shotting crushers is not fun

[karmic musk]

But then its Agripinna so its confusing

[safe quiver]

https://youtu.be/xkDe1mSDjtA?si=eGxZQ6qmxUU6IPU4
01:12

[karmic musk]

yeap faster firing lower damage then

[safe quiver]

I hope we gonna get a worth while skill tree too

[karmic musk]

ready for the third nerf to vet

[safe quiver]

sound of silence plays in the background

[minor brook]

boys whats the update have

[hybrid river]

revolver variant, chain axe variant, shovel variants, 2 eviscerator variants,+ others

[karmic musk]

eviscerator wut

wheres chainsword variant

[tall torrent]

I thought that was a chainsword variant instead of evicerator variant?

[forest blaze]

Hopefully the chainaxe gets reworked to not be ass

[hybrid river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786208719200583710/1180595416648138762/Screenshot_96.png?ex=657dfe29&is=656b8929&hm=84d7f53291cb3c6b28e63908a50b0524f85fa7d4b9b219a30253f0696c0165b8&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786208719200583710/1180595205934682132/image.png?ex=657dfdf7&is=656b88f7&hm=ad4a395c80776b1689a958de679c68892638a0b598859541afd696f7a169f9b1&

[karmic musk]

Is that a two handed axe I see the Zealot wielding at one point

[hybrid river]

both of these are new eviscerators but they are different from each other

[idle carbon]

I was today years old when I figured out that the Tunnel Vision talent extension off Marksman's Focus just straight boosts all toughness that you get, and that means all toughness, like coherency, weapon blessings, talent tree stuff, etc.
including melee, by the by

[karmic musk]

you mean toughness on kill?

[idle carbon]

tunnel vision will boost any amount of toughness you receive, not just on kill

[karmic musk]

so 2.5% toughness replenish on the description

if i have 10 stacks, I get 25% increase toughness from kill? does it even reach 6%

[raven crane]

God I wish I could have a two-handed chainaxe

[idle carbon]

+25% extra toughness from any source, yes

[karmic musk]

its 25% increase on the 5% per kill right

not straight up 30% toughness

[forest blaze]

He’s saying it’s all sources

[idle carbon]

for melee kills ya

[karmic musk]

well not like i have any points to give up to use that

[raven crane]

Fatshark, don't deny me my medicine! 🪓

[idle carbon]

an elite headshot kill when you've got confirmed kill and exhilerating takedown would normally reward 25% toughness now and 20% toughness over 10s for a total of 45% toughness, but with 15 stacks of marksmans focus you get 69% total toughness

[karmic musk]

now that you have brought it to light, it shall be priority fixed

Vet issues are high priority for FS

[idle carbon]

just slap scavenger in that central node right before the grenades, make the sharpshooter aura something like 15% ranged finesse
solves most of veteran's problems instantaneously

[versed osprey]

what weapon is this

[karmic musk]

looks like some autogun

[serene sage]

Braced Autogun

Based on that pose?

[versed osprey]

min 1:05 on the new video

[forest blaze]

I hope it has some silly drum magazine

[karmic musk]

Jamming feature

[versed osprey]

ohhh that would be lovely

[royal monolith]

how r u doin fellow cuties OwO? can anynyan twell m6 how 2 m8k cute wookin wetewan~

[karmic musk]

wut

[forest blaze]

Literally can’t understand you

[iron marten]

wtf

[serene sage]

Can anyone tell them how to make a cute looking veteran

Stewardess, I speak jive gen Z

[forest blaze]

Please don’t translate 😂

[karmic musk]

they are speaking high gothic, we dont understand

[forest blaze]

Let’s not kid ourselves. They’re speaking weeb.

[rugged goblet]

owoo, vete-chan

[royal monolith]

haiiii ^_^ hi!! <3 haiiiiiii
hii :3

[autumn perch]

Vet chat sucks

[serene sage]

You suck

[royal monolith]

cwan u halp m6 wif m8kin cute wetewan

???

[karmic musk]

zealot chat leaking here

[royal monolith]

pwetty pwease

[serene sage]

Just pick the outfit you like fam

It's... not hard

[royal monolith]

twey dunt luk cute

[teal abyss]

Why are you typing like you’re having a stroke

[royal monolith]

nyo pinkies no sparkles

[nimble sentinel]

there is no cute in the Astra Militarum, you're looking for the Thousand Sons femboys 3 doors down to the left

[elder vessel]

is it just me who feels its easier to aim like this than with the sight

play it like Doom

[idle carbon]

not tempted to use crosshair remap to give yourself a dot or chevron to aim with?

[elder vessel]

crosshair remap?

[nimble sentinel]

that chevron's a great tool to get aquainted with the hellbore sights

[elder vessel]

is that another mod? or a setting in WC?

[nimble sentinel]

it's a mod

[zealous wyvern]

it is in the trailer. watch it again

[elder vessel]

maybe later

[zealous wyvern]

when the woman talks about new marks

you can see them use new weapons

[elder vessel]

i dont wanna install 15 mods a day

[zealous wyvern]

not sure what the psyker is doing though

[nimble sentinel]

blowing up most likely

[elder vessel]

gettin the revolver ig

[idle carbon]

absolutely essential for hellbore and plasma IMO
since you can give yourself charge up indicators
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/253

[zealous wyvern]

no i meant the clip in the trailer

it just looks like normal psyker powers but i do not actually know psyker staves so maybe that is why i do not see anything new

[idle carbon]

plus it lets you just give yourself plain crosshairs for all your weapons, rather than some of the weirder choices for stuff like brautos or IAGs

[zealous wyvern]

or maybe it is nothing new and just part of the gameplay footage

[humble nova]

This honestly, they showed like four clips of ogryn shooting a stubber

[idle carbon]

pffft, that's rookie numbers
gotta get more mods, I've got more than 65 lol

[elder vessel]

psyker staves are, ground bomb, flame, lightning, and big death ball

theres 4 of them

which

imo

sucks

needs to be more

[humble nova]

Force push staff when

[elder vessel]

lock on rocket pod staff when

[humble nova]

Sounds like assail with extra steps

[elder vessel]

my computer is a piece a shit leave me alone

[idle carbon]

seeing as we've got staff-bound smite, I wonder if could also make staff-bound brain burst and staff-bound assail

[humble nova]

Kinda lame if all staves end up being alternate ways to get access to class powers

[austere blade]

This wouldn't be the worst lasgun to use if I swapped Opening Salvo with Headhunter, and Crit Chance to Flak, right?

[idle carbon]

most mods don't impact performance much, not in my experience anyway

[humble nova]

I feel like the whole point of psyker is the variety of options you can bring, give them more

[elder vessel]

more like 5 assail in 1, and also slight splash damage

[idle carbon]

IMO I would change elites to flak, but yes, perfectly workable

[austere blade]

Elites to Flak instead of Crit Chance to Flak, you say

[humble nova]

If you're using the crit damage blessing then you want to increase crit chance, naturally

[idle carbon]

ya

[nimble sentinel]

to be fair this is sort of already a thing with blitzes? Flame grenade vs flamer, krak vs plasma, ogrynheimer vs the grenade launcher, etcetera

[austere blade]

That's true, but I felt like Headhunter was plenty good at doing that already, provided I smack some heads every once in a while

Ah well I'll take it

[zealous wyvern]

yeah not sure what the stubber is about either

but it did look different to me somewhat

[humble nova]

That's sort of my point

I would rather they give the staves more of an identity than "take the weapon so you can use a different talent"

[zealous wyvern]

what nonsense

[humble nova]

The flip side of that coin is that they do open up some build options

[austere blade]

How bout for a Mk IV

[zealous wyvern]

the staves are absolutely characteristic. the only one different is the lightning as the ability does that too

[nimble sentinel]

fair enough though I like being able to take a grenade to fill a role I give up by taking a different gun

[zealous wyvern]

yes

[nimble sentinel]

it helps build an jack-of-all-trades build which is very nice to have in pugs

[austere blade]

If Fatshark wanted Psykers to have more staff variety, just give them the Beam Staff from Vermintide 2

[humble nova]

Now that would be cool

Laser staff

[nimble sentinel]

Workshop, James might have some thoughts on that though, we all know how protective they are on their lore

[austere blade]

Laser staff, sniper shot, and shotgun blast

Loved that thing

[nimble sentinel]

especially 40k, the big one of their properties

[idle carbon]

I'm using one in a marksmans focus build, it kicks ass on damnation, you just delete waves of shooters and gunners without breaking a sweat
doesn't need between the eyes, so you could replace that with headhunter, and weakspot damage to maniac

[austere blade]

Ghost+Headhunter, and Flak+Maniac, okay

[idle carbon]

just, uhh, bring a power sword to pair with it
otherwise you'll get bullied by melee elites

ask me how I know lol

[austere blade]

I prefer Chainsword for dealing with melee Elites but I get it

[idle carbon]

PS mainly to deal with rager hordes, since you can stagger a bunch in one swing

[nimble sentinel]

alternatively:

[austere blade]

If only it would stick to Maniac

[nimble sentinel]

lasgun does good maniac damage

[idle carbon]

kraks are nice, but marksmans focus really doesn't leave you with a lot of points to get demo stockpile

one of the limitations of vet tree atm

[nimble sentinel]

this is why I take VoC and tagging

[austere blade]

Vet Tree will be reworked next patch, we'll see how crappy it gets then

[nimble sentinel]

didn't we have that one guy who got early access gassing us up? even promising the recons coming back?

[austere blade]

Always Prepared on the same tree as Shock Trooper just sucks lol

[idle carbon]

whiles yes, it's nice to play with things other than the meta stuff for vet atm lol
a nice change of pace without gimping the team too much

[nimble sentinel]

wait voc and tagging isn't meta?

[idle carbon]

it's one of them

[nimble sentinel]

I've been carrying damnations and aurics

ah giotcha

[elder vessel]

tbh i sacrificed my keystone for +25% ammo

[twilit sky]

which devil claw is best?

[idle carbon]

most people like claw4

[whole moon]

Iv

[twilit sky]

word

[idle carbon]

easy access to overhead, and a quick horde clear combo

[twilit sky]

ty

[nimble sentinel]

any theories on the new shovel btw?

[delicate moat]

surely it can't deal less dmg... right?

[gritty dock]

Hello, I have a question.
Is it worth buying an Atrox Mk II Tactical Ax from Melek?
I haven't used this type of weapon in practice yet.
Maybe someone will also rate her Perks and Blessings.

[elder vessel]

melek

[idle carbon]

tac axes are kind of meh atm

[delicate moat]

bad finesse, not really

[idle carbon]

not sure if they're getting tweaked in the next update tho

[nimble wren]

I want a counter at the end of the round of how many of my bullets go into the Ogryn's back

I feel like every game they run in front of my volleys

[delicate moat]

i think ovenproof (or i forgor the exact name) scoreboard plugin has boolets blocked count

not from you specifically though

[ruby hull]

Man I had a great auric mission last night with my knife melee stealth vet. Before we even started a psyker uttered " ew knife user" and left. It was great. We then won in 16 minutes

Speeeeeeeeeeeed

[burnt onyx]

Ew, 200 plasteel run?

[ruby hull]

We got over 800

[wet anvil]

Ew a knife user leaves the server

[burnt onyx]

So you got 805?

[delicate moat]

they have been traumatized by the bad knife users

[ruby hull]

What? Just cause I go fast you think I don't vacuum up every plasteel on the map? How dare you

[wet anvil]

If I’m being honest so long as someone isn’t going down every 2 seconds your probably doing fine

Unless you get spammed by bullshit like a trapper and flamer

[burnt onyx]

People who think knife is really bad probably don't push enemies in melee either.

[ruby hull]

Dunno why people have a hate b#ner for people using knife. Nothin beat walking through and 3 shotting crushers in the back of the head while running 300mph

[wet anvil]

Veterans a question for a voice of command build what’s a good gun to use?

[delicate moat]

honestly anything that's not recon are all pretty good rn

[ruby hull]

Knife is super safe in hordes too cause you can cycle through lights heavies and push attacks and nothing can touch you

[wet anvil]

Damn ok

[bitter turtle]

Knife is safe in hordes in the sense of survival

But being poor at actually killing them to make space can put you in bad situations

[ruby hull]

Paired with weapon specialist its a good lawnmower

[nimble sentinel]

VoC is a great compliment to every playstyle vet has. Knocks everyone in front of you to keep shooting at range and backtrack, instantly replenishes toughness if you're up close and need a boost, short cooldown, and right in the middle of the tree making it easy to grab wherever else you're building

[finite imp]

NEW REVOLVERS CONFIRMED POGGERS

[wet anvil]

Indeed

[finite imp]

BTFO COWBOY HATERS

https://tenor.com/view/cowboy-screaming-big-enough-gif-11112189

[wet anvil]

I’ve found myself using a hellbore rifle but a new revolver may bring me back to the gunslinger

[finite imp]

gunSLANGER

looks like you can fan it and it has a speedloader

sick

looks like a new knife too?

[terse idol]

how's thiiiis shovel looking?

[finite imp]

i wonder what they could possibly change the knife

[willow badger]

rate the drip

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/boring-unimpressed-meh-really-seriously-gif-16279809

[terse idol]

🥹
Is that good, bad

[wet anvil]

Beat things to death with it

[finite imp]

you already know that's a good shovel dingus

[terse idol]

I wasn't sure

[finite imp]

fix the blessings up good and your're good to go

[terse idol]

Just gotta grow it, put decimator bada boom

[finite imp]

Yeah you were

[terse idol]

[finite imp]

this is me if you even care

[terse idol]

I can finally fufill the veteran meme of

Is this weapon good
Shows good weapon
😌

[willow badger]

swap stripped down with fire frenzy?

or keep it

also what do with perks

[finite imp]

i stg for like a week straight dudes were coming in here with GODROLL PLASMA RIFLES and being like UHHHHM IS THIS GOOD??

[terse idol]

I'm so sorry for you

[finite imp]

oh dont be i dont even use plasma rifle

so of course I have a godroll one i got by complete accident

i just don't come in here waving it around with a bag of takis in my non dominate hand

[midnight mortar]

You'd be surprised. Some of those people genuinely just wanted to be told whether it was good or not and didn't want to learn how to evaluate for themselves.

[terse idol]

TO BE FAIR

I shouuuld know

I need knowledge to reaffirm my uh beliefs

[finite imp]

No. I would not be surprised by that.

[midnight mortar]

At least one guy got offended when people told him about the inspect feature, which he didn't know about and then refused to use.

[finite imp]

Lmao

YOU GUYS TELL ME IF GOOD ME NO THINK

[midnight mortar]

"Just tell me if it's good or not"

[finite imp]

At that point just say bricked

If he doesn't wanna pay attention to the meta but CARES about having meta weapons he doesn't deserve it

Btw you all know that new mf revolver bout to hit like a train

[opal dove]

That revolver looks so fun to play

[midnight mortar]

I am curious about it. Even though I don't use revolvers.

[finite imp]

There's gonna be like 12 dudes in here going REVOLVER OVERTUNED

https://tenor.com/view/sadcat-gif-25701972

[opal dove]

Once you try you never go back

[finite imp]

The gun that takes an afternoon to reload 5 shots has high damage buh buh buh 💀

[elder vessel]

speaking of Doom

[finite imp]

Wait until we get melta guns

[mystic belfry]

Just reload for free

[finite imp]

No

[mystic belfry]

🤔 Is this a decent rashad?

[opal dove]

Well, those slow reloads are dangerous indeed, but it is very fun to play

[finite imp]

Ladies and gentlemen I have officially shit my pants

[opal dove]

With volley fire you mean?

[mystic belfry]

The revolver node

[opal dove]

Pretty decent

[finite imp]

Volley fire just isn't worth it over shout

Way too much utility for shouting

But to each their own

[mystic belfry]

Exe stance entirely depends on your breakpoints

It can be really good

[opal dove]

Yeah, shout is the best atm

Imo

[finite imp]

It's basically not an opinion

[mystic belfry]

Shout is generally the best, but exe has good niche if you get the right setups

Stealth is meme

[finite imp]

Shout comes out instantly and you can reduce its cool down extremely fast

[opal dove]

Let's see what they do with those new keystones positions

[finite imp]

It instantly restored and over shields you and everyone around you

It pushes enemies back like a frag nade

[mystic belfry]

On a side note, my luck with rolling a revolver has been so bad I can easily explain it

[opal dove]

Aaand get up homies

[mystic belfry]

So let me show you my best roll to date, I am not joking

[finite imp]

Not worth

Yeesh

[mystic belfry]

the game will litterally not give me a revolver

IT will not even give me blessings

[finite imp]

Those blessings arent great

Hey I'm still running handcannon 2 on my main revo lmao

[ebon umbra]

teammate blew me up and i flew here

didnt have time to screenie the ragers that aggroed on me

[opal dove]

I find it pretty useful. Saved us plenty of times. You can reduce cooldwon regen with talents and curio perks

[mystic belfry]

i don't even have handcannon 1

[finite imp]

Rip

[wanton dawn]

Damn, I missed the owo dude

I just finished my gif. Too bad

[finite imp]

With revolvers you pretty much want crucian roulette and hand cannon

Flak and maniacs

[mystic belfry]

Yeah well I ain't getting them

Going to slap maniac on it and cope for now

[opal dove]

I know... Spent tons of Emperor dollars looking for a decent one. Got it, but I'm poor since then

[mystic belfry]

I have other good/great rolls, but nothing at all for revolvers, and I've spent a lot

[finite imp]

I literally do not see the utility with run and gun on a fucking revolver

[opal dove]

Surgical works pretty well too

[mystic belfry]

There is no utility

[finite imp]

Why are you sprinting at your target hiring a revolver

Why

The hipefire is already inaccurate af

Now it's worse cuz you're sprinting

[mystic belfry]

That said, it still works fine on auric so w/e

[opal dove]

Call me Clint. I love it xD

[mystic belfry]

wdym hipfire revolver is accurate af

Just not when you sprint

[finite imp]

Lemme get run and gun on the brauto

[worldly pulsar]

Can anybody tell me which of the recon lasguns is generally considered the best? And why, if it's not too much trouble.

[finite imp]

Now that's hilarious

[finite imp]

None

I'm jk idl

Idk

I don't use lasers

[worldly pulsar]

Look, it's not my choice, my vet friend wants to run one for some reason.

[finite imp]

Punch him

[simple crest]

Anyone got a bayonet build?

[mystic belfry]

Equip a bayonet

[opal dove]

I would say Kantreal. Accatran drinks ammo, Hellbore powerfull but too slow

[mystic belfry]

that's all you need

[finite imp]

Anyone got a knife punch build

Wanna use knife but only punch

[worldly pulsar]

Oh, for sure, but he's set on the recon lasguns, which are the Accatrans

[finite imp]

You tell your "friend"

That if he wants some good dakka

To pick up a fucking agri brauto

[worldly pulsar]

He doesn't like brautos. Something about accuracy, even though I showed him my Agripinaa shredding.

[finite imp]

eats a raw egg while nobody is looking

[wanton dawn]

agri brauto is accurate though ?

[finite imp]

Tf

Accuracy on the brauto is great

[worldly pulsar]

I know! Idk wtf he's on about, but here we are

[finite imp]

The bullet spread is fine anything before mid range

Long range tho

Gl

[wanton dawn]

Well, if he does not like, it is his right

[finite imp]

No it isnt

This is the imperium

[opal dove]

Introduce him to the Columnus V holy church

[finite imp]

We have no rights

CIAG

[worldly pulsar]

That's an idea.

[finite imp]

Aw man what a gun

The CIAG is great

[wanton dawn]

I don't play autogun this patch anyway

[opal dove]

Columnus has a crazy recoil, but once you get use to it... Oh man.

Lovely

[worldly pulsar]

My favorite vet build so far is my ColV

[finite imp]

I miss when it had better break points and I could just shred

[idle carbon]

as long as you don't let the recoil fully reset between bursts, you can manage it pretty well

[finite imp]

Used to be able to rip apart an whole platoon with a single magazine

Chefs kiss

[terse idol]

I do think someone put it well the IAG's which are lower have terrible stability
Even having a 60% stab baseline isn't that bad

[idle carbon]

what's funny is recoil gets to be noneexistent after maybe half the mag

[terse idol]

Which makes folks starting out not like the IAG's

[quaint valve]

So new trailer, is the hype here?

[finite imp]

The recoil is really just a quick jump followed by a slow rise

[opal dove]

I love Kan too, but my finger suffers. Clickity, click, click, clickity... By the time the mission ends my finger is dead

[opal dove]

Yeah 😄

[idle carbon]

full auto mod ftw

[quaint valve]

Run full auto mod

[terse idol]

We got a new shovel, we got a new shoovell~~~

And revolver variant

[finite imp]

I hope they tune veteran a little more so the class isn't a walking identity crisis

[terse idol]

What it's got a good identity

VOC

😌

[opal dove]

That got me yelling "let's gooo". Love it

[finite imp]

Oh yeah? Why tf are we the best melee class lol

[terse idol]

And nothing plays like weapon spec so a melee vet plays aloot different than any zealot

[idle carbon]

the one thing I don't like about full auto is it oftentimes fires off an extra shot when you don't really want it
it's especially obvious on the laspistol and mg4 lasgun
if you know how open bolt guns work, it kind of feels like that, which is annoying

[terse idol]

Because voc

[finite imp]

Give me my fucking gun power back

[terse idol]

I mean sorry

Weapon spec

[finite imp]

Forgiven

[terse idol]

😌

[finite imp]

I want my ciags prepatch break points dammit

https://tenor.com/view/will-gif-2553459115951539861

[terse idol]

Columnus is still incredible to be fair, recon sucks, but helbore slaps

[finite imp]

I cant be trusted with helbore

It draws too slow

[terse idol]

Pgun slaps, revolver slaps

[finite imp]

Peepeegun

[terse idol]

[iron marten]

Recon allowed to shine for one patch…

[finite imp]

Balif reload his ppgun

[opal dove]

My best gun rn is a helbore. I don't use it. I know, I deserve hell

[untold mulch]

It was 21 glorious days

[finite imp]

Give the recon gun recoil lmao

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-thano-marvel-snapped-gauntlet-gif-15240315

Recon when it becomes slightly useable

[untold mulch]

[finite imp]

I really gotta learn hellbore already

[willow badger]

i still need to get better with helbore

[finite imp]

What's the helbore meta

[willow badger]

columnus i can just turn brain off and brrrt

[terse idol]

It has deviation for some foresaken reason

[iron marten]

I didn’t mind the slight damage nerf, but the crit chain nerf for shocktrooper is RIP

[finite imp]

Go fuck myself? Ok

[opal dove]

me too, need to get used to that slow charge

[terse idol]

Again that crit chain nerf kills recon in ammo economy

That sucks so bad

[untold mulch]

I just read Deviation and my brain played the entire *The missile knows where it is, knowing where it isn't" copypasta at x100 speed

[opal dove]

but my columnus and my revolver are too damn good

[terse idol]

[wanton dawn]

Ranged or melee ?

[opal dove]

not "mines", the weapon itself

[finite imp]

You shut the hell up

[willow badger]

ranged

[finite imp]

Mf coming in here talking about a bayonet build smh my head

[idle carbon]

stabby

[finite imp]

Knife

[iron marten]

Anyway, give mk4 duelling sword to vet please 🙂

[finite imp]

If they do that I am sprinting, not running to the psykers chat

To watch them shitting and pissing

[wanton dawn]

Though tbf I am almost certain that melee hb is better than pure ranged hb this patch

[finite imp]

We already got powerswords lol

Now we're getting duelies

Ok

[iron marten]

Imagine the power. Duelling sword with plasma

[finite imp]

While we're at it lemme dual wield shreddy auto pistols

[idle carbon]

I'd like a power saber with a more interesting activation mechanism
like, you hit special to enter a catachan parry state and get 1 powered swing (cancelable like both if you just want the swing), but if you successfully parry you get a set duration of power activation rather than swing limited

[finite imp]

And revolvers

[finite imp]

That's a balling idea

[iron marten]

Speaking of, I need to build a rashad on my vet

[opal dove]

That would be crazy. Weaker versions, but yes please.

[iron marten]

Power Sword + Revo not ideal for my playstyle

[finite imp]

Rashad is great until you hit something with it

[iron marten]

Truey

[finite imp]

And then it stops dead on a singular pox

And you're like why did I do this

Give the axes cleave ffs it's an axe

[junior needle]

The line does indeed have the "wandering" variety of deviation, most noticeable on the 6d. Speaking of, it received more than a slight damage nerf.

[iron marten]

Just need to slap brutal momentum and headtaker on it mate!

[finite imp]

Jesus fucking christ

Did the devs families get murdered by a recon lasgun

[finite imp]

I'll try that

They murdered the recon and didn't even touch power swords lmao

[junior needle]

The patch also reduced the availability/amount of rending in the tree, so you're forced into going onslaught now for more point tax.

[finite imp]

I really wanna watch Rambo first blood

So I can increasey knife skills

[terse idol]

[junior needle]

Today I will remind them

[unreal bone]

Okay so I finally got it what perks do I want

Maniac and what?

[dense gyro]

are you firing off a bunch of shots or going for charge?

[unreal bone]

A bit of both

depends on what I'm shooting at

I will charge shot the reapers and muties

but a lot of the smaller specials like gunners ragers and stuff I wanna quick shot

[mystic belfry]

maniac with elite, unyielding, or carapace

[unreal bone]

Got that from Melk just now will swap out perks in a sec

[sharp ember]

THE NEW REVOLVER HAS A SPEEDLOADER LETS GO

AND A NEW LONGER CHAINSWORD?

[mystic belfry]

A speedloader huh? They must haved dropped it's damage a lot if it has that and fan the hammer

[sharp ember]

and a heavier? laspistol

[unreal bone]

It's like what I said about a new bolter variant, they're gonna have atleast 2 variants one the low ammo slow af cannon the other will be a better ammo fast spammy variant.

[mystic belfry]

First game of the night went alright

[unreal bone]

Idek if there is a new bolter variant, but there will be one eventually

[unreal bone]

So which do you suggest?

Elite or unyielding?

[mystic belfry]

it's all preference, I like carapace or elite more

unyielding is boss damage, and I just melee bosses usually

[celest vine]

New laspistol variant too

[mystic belfry]

They'd have a really hard time making me use a las pistol variant

I fucking love the current one

[celest vine]

Maybe we will get new commissary cosmetics too

Jk

Thats never happening

[mystic belfry]

Maybe a recolor

[celest vine]

[sharp ember]

nvm i think its a karking eviscerator

that new chainaxe has a overhead though

[topaz lance]

That's an evi, isn't it?

[celest vine]

Cadia mk5 chainsword when?

[mystic belfry]

hadron are you okay? you're giving me decent rolls?

[topaz lance]

That's an interesting one. Wondering if fire rate/ammo pool/damage will be the only differing characteristics.

[celest vine]

Based on the current one being green

[terse idol]

You might want unarmoured

To actually be able to one shot gunners

[celest vine]

This one seems like the fast firing version

[terse idol]

I'm testing it but

[celest vine]

Cause it’s blue

[terse idol]

That's what I got so far

[dense gyro]

might consider volatile, gives you a faster charge on low heat. Would go well with your thermal resistance being so high

[flint lake]

Current one is pretty alright I wonder what they’ll introduce to shake it up. Maybe a burst fire variant?

[terse idol]

If your goal is one shooting gunners with left click you need unarmoured is what I'm slowly learning

[celest vine]

Green is middle, blue shoots fast but low damage, beige is high damage slow fire

Every single gun follows this color pattern

[terse idol]

Simply put two shoting gunners sucks

[mystic belfry]

I swear I one-shot gunners without it

[topaz pebble]

Well yeah, the goal is to one shot dreg gunners

[terse idol]

Erm hold on

Because of how charge rate works rn

[topaz pebble]

You do not charge plasma gun

[topaz lance]

Ah yes true thanks. Ok, even more spammy laspistol? that could be very good (only with the full auto mod though)

[terse idol]

You actually lose damage with volatile

Its a bug

[dense gyro]

wait what

🗿

[terse idol]

Yes, look at the pins

[unreal bone]

Yes

Charge Rate affects plasma damage

[terse idol]

The charge rate left click damage is weird in that higher charge rate about 80% will lower your left click damage, not by much

[flint lake]

Volatile is crap anyways

[terse idol]

You still want gets hot and Blaze it

[flint lake]

As are most plasma blessinginga

[terse idol]

TR at near max

And CR at 73%

[dense gyro]

screw this I am playing the new starship troopers game

[untold mulch]

Dear lord got out of a mission with a dreadful Ogryn

[terse idol]

But don't sweat it too much

If CR is high

[untold mulch]

kickback, 8/3 ammo pickups

[terse idol]

The damage is negligible

[mystic belfry]

I've been considering getting that tbh

[flint lake]

Glory Hunter is maybe worthwhile on a vet if you’re concerned about toughness regen.

[topaz pebble]

No survivalist moment

[mystic belfry]

But the enemy types seem pretty boring

[dense gyro]

it's buggy but fun

[sharp ember]

unless this was changed, volatile increases damage past >73% charge rate

[terse idol]

Hmm

[sharp ember]

if we REALLY wanna go into it

[untold mulch]

if you mean me? I HAD survivalist

he was just a greedy mf that shot the entire mission and picked always all the ammo

[terse idol]

I'll see dis

[sharp ember]

yeah please confirm for me

[topaz pebble]

The hell

[mystic belfry]

Oh, that was me exe setup

[untold mulch]

An actual Ogryn that didn't spark joy

[mystic belfry]

It's alright tbh

[junior needle]

He should at least have the courtesy to pull an appropriate amount of weight if he's taking more ammo pickups

[finite imp]

whats the meta blessings for helbore

[untold mulch]

He did average sadly

I did more with no pick ups

[slim ocean]

I wonder how the new laspistol is going to play?

[finite imp]

and also which one should I use?

1 2 3 ?

[untold mulch]

I assume by the barrel is gonna be a bigger pew

[slim ocean]

Awh yes

[sharp ember]

Onslaught + Surgical, no competition. Best mark is entirely user preference

[mystic belfry]

Question, how long do you need to wait between shots to trigger this?

[junior needle]

It's either slower firing/higher damage or higher damage/slower firing. Not sure what variant we have now.

[topaz pebble]

Please dont make the new laspistol shoot faster than the current one

The current one already bugs out enough

[mystic belfry]

I've not had it bug out, wdym?

[slim ocean]

Current one shoots pretty quick. I'd like slower fire/higher damage.

[topaz pebble]

Its more a cosmetic thing really

[junior needle]

Current one might be the fast firing variant already, but I have no clue

[mystic belfry]

They could also make the las pistol higher base damage with lower finesse

[topaz pebble]

You shoot the laspistol too fast, and all of a sudden you hear 17 shots fired off

[mystic belfry]

The current one if very much a finesse gun

[untold mulch]

[sharp ember]

it varies per weapon, but it's roughly around 0.5-1.0 second

[untold mulch]

Only way I see making a light laspistol is either full auto, or burst fire

[mystic belfry]

Haven't had that I generally shoot it at max fire rate

[sharp ember]

you can see it activate on your buff icons

[topaz pebble]

Please one of the two

[mystic belfry]

So decent on vraks then?

[gentle maple]

Do coherency buffs stack?

[sharp ember]

should be!

[mystic belfry]

The same one doesn't

[mystic belfry]

Might try it sometime then, ty

[flint lake]

No

[hollow turtle]

So people complained about the inquisition icons in the past, including the necklace. New For the Drip update (inadvertently/unintentionally) fixed that problem.

[sharp ember]

is this call of duty

[iron marten]

If they make a slower shooting variant, and deals more damage, I might swap over

[sharp ember]

this might be call of duty

[mystic belfry]

Yes

[hollow turtle]

When is it not?

[iron marten]

The current one already deals massive damage

[junior needle]

On a headshot*

[sharp ember]

a HEAVIER revolver needs 4 round capacity and single action hammer cocking

[mystic belfry]

On headshot crit* :)

Ran marksman las pistol the other day

[junior needle]

Also on a headshot crit

[sharp ember]

actually does anyone have a chamber count on the new revolver

[mystic belfry]

Was funny

[iron marten]

Truey

[mystic belfry]

Even just deadshot las pistol is funny

Deadshot and Reciprocity if you're a gamer

[iron marten]

I swap between exe stance and voc laspistol

Depends on the teammates I have lol

[untold mulch]

Heavy Revolver

[mystic belfry]

That said, las pistol is usually a secondary for a melee vet for me, rather than my main gun

I just like melee

[iron marten]

I use my laspistol alot

[untold mulch]

I use my laspistol most of the matches

[mystic belfry]

Las pistol, revolver, and plasma are probably my most used ranged options atm

[iron marten]

I’d do like 350k damage ranged and only 100k melee

[mystic belfry]

In match I joined partway through, 214k melee 60k ranged :v

So few melee mains tbh

Even most zealots are doing more ranged than melee damage

[mystic belfry]

Unfortunate

[iron marten]

Just need FS to buff the bolter and it’ll be my most used again

[mystic belfry]

Bolter just ain't nimble enough for the damage and ammo reserve it has

[barren wharf]

w8, wasn't it fixed?

[iron marten]

If they treated plasma gun right, surely bolter as well, right?

[gritty mural]

Didn’t they iron out the krieg torso because people complained about clipping

[sick marsh]

stopping power matter that much?

[barren wharf]

it was upper part for chicks

[mystic belfry]

Second most important stat

[barren wharf]

and it was about zealots

[mystic belfry]

Press V then scroll over the stats to see what they do

[junior needle]

Stopping power affects your damage modifier to various armor types, and is always important.

[sharp ember]

woulda been a possible god gun if stopping power swapped with stability

[iron marten]

Ouch

[south garnet]

Yes

It's extremely important

[twin kettle]

Did I get cucked by bad penetration roll?

[south garnet]

Yes

Less of an issue if you have rending blessing, but still not good

[twin kettle]

This is my alternative

[mystic escarp]

Casually bayonetting my way through auric with highest overall damage in team, highest boss damage and most killed specialists

[south garnet]

Absolutely use this one

[finite imp]

what does NT mean

[pure chasm]

if people said "nt" when there was just one person alive and they wiped instead of clutching then it means "nice try"

[finite imp]

gotcha

i figured

[terse idol]

Yeah they squished it saddly

[finite imp]

i clutched 3 times and they still died

[terse idol]

Too many folks complaining

[finite imp]

like ffs

[eternal sable]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1180149094245748736/rapidsave.com_97wht1lecbj91.gif?ex=657c5e7e&is=6569e97e&hm=3d4a8873bb55ac8a8e945ccb8d45fa5bd85705497e447894c572a542121b3207&

[iron marten]

Thought I was in a completely different discord for a sec

[untold mulch]

Has happened to me, even more so because I am in a discord of the series of that anime

[iron marten]

[untold mulch]

begone creature

[midnight mortar]

I just don't want to. I didn't join the guard for the handguns.

[untold mulch]

I am using the laspistol through gritted teeth, because is the only thing has felt somewhat usable to my style in the las department

[midnight mortar]

If you call only lowering the z axis "iron out", then sure. It was the laziest possible solution for a "premium" price cosmetic.

[untold mulch]

so I understand

[midnight mortar]

I feel your pain.

[untold mulch]

Z axis 1

We did it Patrick we solved the issue

Youtube Ads are gonna drive me madder than the Emperor in the fragging throne

[mystic belfry]

I'd use that one

The second one, rather

[burnt onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-gif-25567321

[finite imp]

empra working around the clock to brew up the worst imaginable weapon to gift me at the end of a mission

[burnt onyx]

The empra wants you to have this:

Don't drop it on your toes.

[floral lichen]

The great back scratcher

[burnt onyx]

LFG grey starting weapons maelstrom damnation?

[south prairie]

The ultimate run

[burnt onyx]

Don't get me started on a zero talent run. =P

[fleet drift]

Zerotalent grey starting weapons maelstrom damnation run!!!

[burnt onyx]

With Nurgle's Blessing!

[fleet drift]

[naive hatch]

When the patch dropped and reset our talent trees, I didn't know that and went into a match without assigning points. It was an difficult interesting fight to the finish of a high intensity shock-troop gauntlet XD

[hollow ibex]

if i pick up fullbore from a lawbringer, can i put it on the agri?

[junior grail]

Yup

[hollow ibex]

kk thanks

how blessings are shared is pretty confusing

[naive hatch]

What do these ❗ mean?

[astral blade]

is today just that one day where all the trash players come out of hiding

[sleek cairn]

a pal of mine said this, it's the weekend

100% of his psykers blew up in the first few moments of the game

no enemies required

they'll kill themselves

[naive hatch]

There's kids playing

[trim steppe]

I think its related to your saved builds, but im not sure

[naive hatch]

Gotta be.

[astral blade]

so thats a yes basically

[trim steppe]

Woah, Brunt has two 17%ers for sale at once

[rancid echo]

is that weapon swap keystone on far right tree worth going for?

[trim steppe]

its a good keystone, it depends on your build tho

[devout atlas]

lawbringer vet is so fucking good i always forget

[naive hatch]

I've been enjoying it with a laspistol and combat knife so far

[rancid echo]

im planning to run an axe + full auto gun with it

[devout atlas]

I recommend getting an mk6 power sword for that sort of setup. you can counteract ps6s terrible dodge with laspistol

you still get great single-target while retaining hordeclear

[rancid echo]

what do you do for single target armored targets

[topaz pebble]

Push attack light

Mk6 ps is still busted

[devout atlas]

ps6 can 2 tap combo crushers

faster than a krak

faster than a plasma gun

[topaz pebble]

Faster than anything really

.8s channel time

Why

[devout atlas]

if you want knife + laspistol shenanigans zealot does that better

flesh-tearer has very good horde-clear on zealot knives

actually even psyker does that setup better

[rancid echo]

do you ahve to charge the power sword before push attack?

[devout atlas]

incendiary grenade/assail to supplement horde-clear s better than shredders

[topaz pebble]

Yes

Unpowered PS is dogshit

[devout atlas]

yes, at least cycler 3 to get the combo

[topaz pebble]

Literally bottom 1 weapon

[rancid echo]

oh zzz

[topaz pebble]

Powered though

Busted

[devout atlas]

"oh zzz" have fun dying to 15 poxwalkers because you're out of grenades and take 2 chip damage

if you wanna use knives on vet agri brauto or lawbringer fuck with em

[trim steppe]

Hell ya, I've been looking for this blessing for like a month. Thanks Melk!

[rancid echo]

dont have the resources to roll cycler, crafting system has been terrible

[devout atlas]

Oh thats understandable. Then I recommend Rashad

or Shovel

[topaz pebble]

Rashad gang

[rancid echo]

yeah i have a rashad i bought from shop

[devout atlas]

PS3 is good enough for the most part

PC3*

you just need 2 charged hits for the crusher combo

[trim steppe]

Rashad is solid, chainsword is also nice tho better for clear than for ST

[rancid echo]

perks/blessings are doodoo on it though

what should i get rid of

[devout atlas]

???

[trim steppe]

thats not bad

[topaz pebble]

Swap decap for brutal

[naive hatch]

Swap Decap for Brutal Momentum

[devout atlas]

yea

[naive hatch]

Then you're literally set.

[topaz pebble]

Swap unarmored for maniac

[rancid echo]

k i'll see if i can find one

[topaz pebble]

You're set

[rancid echo]

thanks bros

[devout atlas]

what is the best blessing other than BM on rashad because theres so many A tiers

headtaker? decapitator? decimator?

[topaz pebble]

Decimator or headtaker

Preference really

[naive hatch]

Headtaker/Decimator.

I prefer headtaker personally. Better uptime on average.

[topaz pebble]

Decimator does more damage but is technically easier to lose

[trim steppe]

headtaker IMO. Decimator is good but if you miss you gotta start over, headtaker is more consistent

[topaz pebble]

Just dont miss 5head

But yeah thats the downside

IDK, its kinda hard to miss with how many enemies there are

[flat pebble]

it also just degrades faster than headtaker doesn’t it

[nimble sentinel]

quick Q: survivalist doesn't stack with mutiple vets, right?

[topaz pebble]

Uh, i dont know, feels the same

like its long enough I can swap, get a shot off with my revovler, then swap back with like half of the cd remaining

[devout atlas]

It doesn't, it's good to have Fire Team builds in case you alr have a Survivalist vet

[nimble sentinel]

does fire team stack?

[topaz pebble]

Like fireteam is unironically alright

[naive hatch]

Nope. Auras of the same kind do not stack. But Vets with different aura effects do stack IIRC.

[devout atlas]

however if you have 3 vets I would go double Fire Team or double Scav because the speed aura sucks and having more consistent Fire Team/Scav coverage is better

[topaz pebble]

Its just that survivalist is busted

Fire team should be right side aura

Make demo team middle aura

Bam

[devout atlas]

Surivalist is S tier, Fire Team A tier, Close and Kill easily the worst aura in the entire game

[topaz pebble]

Now its back to demo team, not demo me

[nimble sentinel]

yeh I know, my go to has survivalist but it also means I can't take all 3 tagging points

[topaz pebble]

Nah, aint no aura worse than loner

[devout atlas]

Loner isn't bad at all

[nimble sentinel]

honestly my ammo econ is pretty baller I might just stick to this

[topaz pebble]

Its awful

[devout atlas]

Not rlly

[topaz pebble]

It's 2.5 toughness per second, when you're not in combat

[devout atlas]

Stack toughness recovery perks

[topaz pebble]

Or enemies within like 10m

[devout atlas]

Thing is I'd usually agree

for most players its worse than nothing

but I end up last man standing in a lot of my games

[mystic belfry]

I love those games where you teammates will just not advance

ever

[nimble sentinel]

loner being the zealot one that counts as always being in 2 coherency, right?

[devout atlas]

so it's very useful

[topaz pebble]

Yeah see, imo loner only becomes semi useful if you have dogwater teammates

[devout atlas]

Eh

Sometimes shit happens

[topaz pebble]

Meanwhile 15% toughness damage reduction

[mystic belfry]

Tbh, even if you're last man standing the aura isn't that great

[devout atlas]

Absolutely better

[topaz pebble]

Like loner is just tax for if you're taking right side perks

[devout atlas]

but fuck no is Loner worse than 5% speed

[mystic belfry]

You get more toughness from just killing.

[nimble sentinel]

yeh I'm with ascend on that one

[devout atlas]

Loner has saved runs

5% speed hasn't

simple as

[nimble sentinel]

not only does it provide nothing to the team, but it reinforces a terrible habit

[devout atlas]

Not r lly

[mystic belfry]

It's just bad

I'd rather have someone take 5% speed

[nimble sentinel]

5% speed ain't saving shit but loner is putting shit in jeoprady

[topaz pebble]

It doesnt reinforce that habit, but it doesnt provide anything to the team

[devout atlas]

but I do think most players (Especially the average Zealot main 💀) are too shit at the game to use Loner effectively

[mystic belfry]

There's no using it effectively

[devout atlas]

#zealot-class is so dogwater I use #ogryn-class for zealot advice

[mystic belfry]

If you were playing effectively, aura toughness regen is mostly useless

[devout atlas]

seriously

[mystic belfry]

And you want toughness regen from other talents, not aura

[eternal venture]

It can help occasionally if you’re kiting a big group of mobs with shooters mixed in

[mystic belfry]

Like heavy attack kills

[devout atlas]

Ik what you mean but my perspective is that Loner has saved games for me, and I can guarantee 5% movement speed wouldn't have done a piss in the bucket

[mystic belfry]

I can see an argument for stealth aura, even if I don't like it

[devout atlas]

now is Loner the 2nd worst aura

Yes

absolutely

[mystic belfry]

But loner aura is just nah

[devout atlas]

but is it the worst?

no 5% movement speed is

[nimble sentinel]

I think it is

[mystic belfry]

Yes, but because of how it makes new players try to use it

[nimble sentinel]

5% movement speed at least gives something\

[devout atlas]

It's saved me runs

Loner has saved runs for me

5% movement speed is so piss

[mystic belfry]

5% movement speed is about the same, it's worse but it's not just causing people to poo the bed

[nimble sentinel]

I don't see loner saving runs, I do see loner killing enough teammates that a run needs to be saved

[mystic belfry]

The movement speed can be relevant for clutching actually

You can have 10% movespeed and be running a knife

[eternal venture]

Now imagine if 5% movespeed was changed to stamina regen speed