veteran-class

[terse idol]

Could be worth a shot

[untold mulch]

Correct

[topaz pebble]

The moment you pop volley fire Nurgle's strongest poxwalker hits you upside the head

[snow pendant]

just do infil or shout to sustian urself

[tall torrent]

Or ur Ogryn walks directly in front of u

[untold mulch]

or an ally Ogryn is summoned in front of you

[topaz pebble]

And marksmens really only works with fast firing guns

[untold mulch]

I will always state

that having the MARKSMAN keystone

[snow pendant]

also sniper aiming guy behind u while u are in infil then just hit you anyway

[untold mulch]

be most effective with full auto

is incredibly funni to me

and speaks volumes of fatshark design team

[topaz pebble]

Like for my hellbore I use focus fire

[rain ocean]

Oooooh i see, so less good with full auto, cuz i been loving voice of command and been thinking of trying Focus Target! for a bit

[untold mulch]

focus target is very good

you can keep what? 12% damage buff to all allies pretty much constantly

thats excluding the actual tagged target

[tall torrent]

U could try this

[topaz pebble]

Oblig point tax

[untold mulch]

is Vet tree

we are taxed

[tall torrent]

It works even without keystone modifiers because u keep +8% dmg to every tagged enemy in a horde

[untold mulch]

We should grab Aquilas and throw them overboard on the port

👀

[topaz pebble]

Still actually confused on why we constantly get taxed

[untold mulch]

Because Vet tree has been a mess since the inception

They had to rework it at last moment

[topaz pebble]

Like why does volley fire and infiltrate have 4 nodes

[flat pebble]

do we not remember when vets were tanking everything

[topaz pebble]

Why does wep spec have fucking 5

[serene bough]

triggered a DH by crouch walking past it

[flat pebble]

farshark clearly doesn’t want to overdo it again and has not been doing great about it

[topaz pebble]

And they're like all useless

[serene bough]

like far away from it hugging a wall

[tall torrent]

For the true imperial guard experience

Get talent taxed (imperial tithe)

Get overwhelmed by enemies (avg guardsman experience)

Get downed easily (avg guardsman experience)

[serene bough]

someone explain how it got triggered pls

[topaz pebble]

They have like a invis bar that fills up

If you're nearby

You can see them like struggling in the chains

The more they struggle, the closer they are to fully waking

Sleeping dh has short detection radius

Half awake host has a way larger one

Also, suppression operative modifiers

[rain ocean]

But wouldn't you want the upgrades for Focus Target though?

[serene bough]

sprinting vs crouching doesnt do anything?

[topaz pebble]

Why do they even exist

They fill it at different speeds

[tall torrent]

I can’t afford them due to the other talents giving me better breakpoints that I really need
If I had a couple extra points I’d get upgrades for sure

[untold mulch]

Get the job done still somehow (avg guardsman chadness)

[topaz pebble]

Like, we're so strapped for points some of my builds don't even take keystones

[tall torrent]

-0.25s stamina regen delay is too good of a node to pass up

[topaz pebble]

So is extra suppression dealt

[untold mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174487807511773224/image.png?ex=6567c602&is=65555102&hm=8b97509a791731212e5be4698a6a194734f5f93cb9912c7ba3479599925771b1&

i love hte keystone update

[topaz pebble]

Let me guess, you had to sacrifice survivalist

And have smokes

[untold mulch]

actualyl no

Frag-survivalist-infiltrate

[tall torrent]

And I need 3 out of the 4 following:
+5% melee
+30% weakpoint
+25% melee finesse
+10% melee
To reach 1 shot both bruisers with my current axe

And I need 30% weakpoint to reach my helbore 2’s 1 tap headshot breakpoints on both flamers and Dreg gunners

[untold mulch]

for my laspistol

[elder vessel]

surv my beloved

[untold mulch]

I refuse not to pick survivalist unless I know someone else is gonna use it

[topaz pebble]

Demo stockpile?

[elder vessel]

infinite grenades

infinite ammo

[topaz pebble]

No like, does he have it

[elder vessel]

infinite toughness

[elder vessel]

he can regen a nade every minute

[tall torrent]

I run demo stockpile + demo team for maximum Grenade regain because random teammates have zero horde stagger

[topaz pebble]

I personally prefer demo team over stockpile

[elder vessel]

and get them from ammo crates

[topaz pebble]

No I meant if he had to sacrifice demo stockpile for that tree

[untold mulch]

yes the regen one

I like the regen one because mentally I know I will have one extra in x time

[topaz pebble]

But yeah, please get rid of some of these terrible operative modifiers

And combine some of these perks

I'd also put fire team on right tree and demo TEAM, not demo me, as middle aura

[cold shell]

look at this fuckin brick

[topaz pebble]

On a mk3

My condolences

[cold shell]

base stats would've been great so I brought it up and then we got 0/4 good buffs so RIP

[untold mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-it-gif-19335672

Hadron be like

[tall torrent]

Hey at least u can harvest

[untold mulch]

his tears lmao

[topaz pebble]

Actually

It's salvageable

[cold shell]

I already do have a mk3 with the best buffs so it's not the end of the world. At this point I want better.

[topaz pebble]

Unyielding isn't bad

Onslaught surgical

[cold shell]

no, mk3 needs maniac/carapace and surgical/onslaught

[topaz pebble]

Stamina is a dud though

[cold shell]

that's your best spread of breakpoints

[wispy trench]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1119271252662689903/1179967792158605322/image.png?ex=657bb5a4&is=656940a4&hm=99f13af271d472c422fbfc5662a0a8cf2687abe8556a989a2756faf68a08a8ea&

[topaz pebble]

Well yeah, but unyielding is still usable

[wispy trench]

this excites me

[topaz pebble]

Like if you have no better

[cold shell]

btw I made a melee weapon specifically to make bayonet better and it's so dumb one shotting flamers and dogs and shooting/bayonetting mutants for the kill.
I love it so.

[topaz pebble]

Yes

[tall torrent]

This is my best roll yet and ever since I got this, ever Rashad roll I’ve gotten have been bricked by hadron

[topaz pebble]

You can consistently top damage

[gilded dock]

bruuuuuuuuuuh the antax mk 5 and the laz pistol combo is SOOOOO. FUCKING. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD.

[topaz pebble]

Both very good weapons

[gilded dock]

im literally creaming my pants every time i play my vet with this set up

[flat pebble]

[cold shell]

rip on the rashads but yeah man that's a solid friendo there

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-triggered-notification-angry-dog-noises-dog-girl-gif-11710406

[karmic musk]

HUH

[gilded dock]

my pants when i use antax mk 5 and las pistol combo:

[untold mulch]

[nimble sentinel]

qu'est ce que le fuck???

[untold mulch]

Canonical bayonet

[cold shell]

laspistol is small and mighty

[nimble sentinel]

teach me

[cold shell]

like my....warhammer miniatures.

[flat pebble]

limbsplitter brutal momentum caxe/taxe as your melee, done

it’s got a bugged interaction with the bayonet

causes the silly numbers

[tall torrent]

Mb

[wanton dawn]

I got 1m+ overkill dmg with it yesterday

[flat pebble]

it’s so silly

i love it

[nimble sentinel]

I am going to Hadron right now

[versed osprey]

.00.

[tall torrent]

Limbsplitter (bugged? to work on bayonet attacks, bugged to not consume charge on bayonet attacks, causing permanent +60% dmg)

Brutal momentum (bugged? to work for bayonet attacks)

[bitter turtle]

Best bug

No fix pls

[flat pebble]

they already fixed a comparable interaction

they’re gonna fix it

[wanton dawn]

It is strong, too strong, but not instawin

[bitter turtle]

You have to use a helbore

[flat pebble]

which is a fine gun

[bitter turtle]

Nobody likes helbores

Its a fair trade

[topaz pebble]

False

[tall torrent]

With this combo, and some melee dmg related talents, you can reach some very silly breakpoints like:

2 hit both ragers
1 hit mutants
1 hit both gunners
1 hit both shotgunners
Deal so much dps in boss killing that your teammates question if you’re hacking

[flat pebble]

you don’t like helbores is what it sounds like

[topaz pebble]

Hellbores are goated

[midnight patrol]

... I.. Have never seen the AI director spawn in literally 13 ragers in a single spot before. After a full horde

[crude fiber]

feels bad man

[midnight patrol]

It wiped me and one other survivor completely lol

[dusk idol]

darktide gaming

[midnight patrol]

I killed 4. The other dude just evaporated instantly lmao

[wanton dawn]

It is not great at clutching for one

[topaz pebble]

That's commonplace now

Bayonet? It absolutely is

[bitter turtle]

Happens all the time now

[midnight patrol]

Just super annoyed xD

I dont mind a fulls pread of specials

But nothing but 13 ragers is like.. Lull

Hella a day for me to be using a shovel and Vraks mk7.

[topaz pebble]

Imagine right, instead of sniper gauntlet, hunting grounds or mutant packs

Bomber packs

[midnight patrol]

Those I can fight lol

[topaz pebble]

Nightmare fuel

[midnight patrol]

Ragers my gun literally cannot kill them fast enough

Its amazing I dropped 4 in 15 meters.

[topaz pebble]

You say that until 17 bombers spawn outside the map and hurl them at you

[bitter turtle]

This is why you bring shredder frags

[celest vine]

Burn zone

[midnight patrol]

I did!

[celest vine]

Extra flamers and bombers

[tall torrent]

This is what peak guardsman performance looks like

[bitter turtle]

Bring more

[midnight patrol]

I used them up picking up the last surviving other Vet

[topaz pebble]

Like ragers are only scary when you don't know they're there

[midnight patrol]

Sadly they were a level 19 so they just panicked and died instantly lmao

[topaz pebble]

Bombers, you know they're there, you just can't do shit about them

[bitter turtle]

I wouldn't call them scary but they are by far the most annoying elite and it's not even close

[flat pebble]

this feels like maybe the choice that made things go real south

[topaz pebble]

As they hit you with pinpoint accuracy

World of tanks artillery player headass

[midnight patrol]

Everyone else was ded dead because I was the only one that knew how to melee xD

Ogryn? Died first. Somehow.

The other I think was another Vet

[bitter turtle]

Maulers and crushers are easy to dodge in comparison and gunners are like the least threatening thing

[flat pebble]

were you in normal damnation or auric?

[midnight patrol]

Heresy lmao

[flat pebble]

oh lol

[midnight patrol]

I just wanted my last game to be relaxing lol

[wanton dawn]

Bayonet made me fearful of shotgunner ambush

[flat pebble]

heresy
relaxing

[midnight patrol]

Suddenly 13 ragers and I was like, "This doesnt seem normal"

[topaz pebble]

Yeah

Unironically

Damnation is where you relax

It's like champion vs legend in v2

[midnight patrol]

I guess Damnation is where all the elites are

[flat pebble]

the relief of knowing you can mostly rely on your teammates makes damnation far easier

[midnight patrol]

Heresy still have people dipping into the pool

[topaz pebble]

Legend is full of chill competent players

[flat pebble]

and auric means you should 98% of the time at least be seeing lvl 30 teammates

[topaz pebble]

Champion is filled with incompetent toxic babies

[tall torrent]

Heresy is unironically harder than damnation if ur teammates don’t know they can hold mouse2 (or trigger) to block

[flat pebble]

if it’s not my friend frankly i’m not playing with a lvl 19

that’s already a hard filter for games for me lol

[midnight patrol]

I might just settle for Damnation tmrw then. I dont really like the tankiness of enemies, but I.. reaaaly am not liking how I can have either a squad of badasses, or people that still dunno how to melee dance

[bitter turtle]

Auric mael only

[flat pebble]

well let me say that shovel mk7 vraks shredders might not be the most excellent damnation build

[bitter turtle]

Vraks7 is excellent

[flat pebble]

not that they both aren’t good by themselves

[bitter turtle]

I basically only use it nowadays

[flat pebble]

i didn’t say it wasn’t good

[topaz pebble]

Auric maelstrom has a lot of competent players

But is also filled with weirdos

If you want chill, normal damn

Solid players, and decently easy

[flat pebble]

i do exclusively auric damnation QP and feel like once you get used to HIST it’s more “relaxing”

regular damnation you’re more likely to need to clutch or carry

[topaz pebble]

Like auric damn has moments where shit goes wrong in half a second

Mostly cause of the audio and spawns being borked

[midnight patrol]

I'm very much aware alas xD

[topaz pebble]

You'll be cruising then bam, get gangbanged by 200 backspawns

[midnight patrol]

But I do have my moments with the build and loadout

[flat pebble]

i have learned i cannot watch movies and playing auric damnation at the same time

[tall torrent]

Vraks7 I never quite got the hang of
I think it’s just because of the extra ADS zoom and the hefty recoil when spammed

[flat pebble]

and not get punished a little more frequently by not hearing audio queues

[midnight patrol]

Feels pretty clutch being able to just be such a flexible and fast killing designated marksman with it

[terse idol]

I will say, yeah thats my experience
Play with a solid team for most of the run we take very little damage and then it hits the fan so hard we die

[flat pebble]

it also takes such a specifically high tier roll to be worth using because of breakpoints

[terse idol]

Trapper into a flamer combo

With a bomber

[bitter turtle]

It's pretty much good at picking off everything except rager maniacs and crushers

[pliant spire]

Guys any of you who uses the armory browser extension can tell me if this rule going to properly highlight this blessing?

[midnight patrol]

With headshots it's not too fussy

[tall torrent]

It’s a different flavoured helbore imo

[flat pebble]

i like the infantry lasguns for this because they still do maniac damage

[bitter turtle]

As in one-shots if you can reliably land headshots

[midnight patrol]

But if you have to land bodyshots?

It can fall back a fair bit

[tall torrent]

This is another problem
Headhunter autoguns are really frustrating to roll for

[bitter turtle]

no it's helbore but like actually fun

Charging mechanic suggs

[flat pebble]

you used to need 78 damage and 75 stopping power ALONE to get OHK headshot on key elites and that was before they increased health pools

the difference between a great vraks 7 roll and a mid roll is night and day

[bitter turtle]

Stick a bayonet on vraks and I'll never touch a hb again:^)

[tall torrent]

That depends? I think helbore already reaches a couple basic shooter breakpoints without charged shots

[frozen meadow]

When is new perk tree rework?

[flat pebble]

and you needed unarmored and flak perks on TOP of those stats

[tall torrent]

Don’t know exactly when the next patch is coming

[frozen meadow]

Ok

[bitter turtle]

Ya I still run unarmored/flak

[midnight patrol]

For me, the mk7 is like.. a proper M14 rifle of sorts. You can still do decent sniper-kinda shots, but it shoots fast enough where you can do emergency horde clear or really clear out all the shooters with headshots as fast as you can aim

[bitter turtle]

Hipfiring with v7 feels actually passable which is nice

[midnight patrol]

Admittedly all my chose Mk7's hit those basic stats whew

[bitter turtle]

You can pick off gunners with hipfire since non crit heads hots still 1tap

[midnight patrol]

A good way to save stamina with Deadshot too

[flat pebble]

it’s got a lot of hoops to jump through but once you get there the mk7 is very solid at clicking most heads

[tall torrent]

I think another part of why I don’t like vraks7 is because I need surgical + deadshot to maximizing crits and I just don’t vibe with deadshot that much

[topaz pebble]

Vraks 7 with deadly accurate and I forgot the other blessing

[tall torrent]

Friend of mine rly likes vraks7 tho

[topaz pebble]

Really solid

[flat pebble]

surgical

[topaz pebble]

Nah

[tall torrent]

It needs DA + surgical

[topaz pebble]

The headshot crit thing

[flat pebble]

hh?

[tall torrent]

Or DA + headhunter

[topaz pebble]

Yeah

Solid

[midnight patrol]

Mhmm. With that sort of build your making a kinda 'charge' attack style with the helbore

[tall torrent]

I think surgical is the generally preferred one for vraks7

[bitter turtle]

Only thing I don't like about sharpshooter guns is needing to go left tree

[flat pebble]

surge is a guarantee crit every two seconds

[bitter turtle]

FUCK left tree

[flat pebble]

why would you take HH over it

[midnight patrol]

But in a punch you can shoot two rounds a second with 240+ damage instead of 160+

[tall torrent]

And the other issue I had with vraks7 was

Without suppression immunity it sorta suffers in accuracy vs gunners

[midnight patrol]

.. Hmm

[tall torrent]

Helbore I can just not care abt suppression

[topaz pebble]

I uh, hipfire with the vraks

Quite a bit sometimes

[midnight patrol]

I'm starting to see that I don't have all these issues because I almost always built my Vraks around left tree heavily lol

[flat pebble]

i mean more power to you but i think people should lean into the marksman part of the marksman rifles

[untold mulch]

They jsut release another trailer for part 2

Foldable Shovel looked for OGRYN

[midnight patrol]

Even sometimes went all into left tree keystones because of how reliable I was landing headshots

[untold mulch]

[bitter turtle]

You run left tree regardless for vraks b/c elite dmg is important for breakpoints

[tall torrent]

Yo?

[bitter turtle]

And then you're forced to take literal doodoo dog shit like the ammo node

[untold mulch]

From cacti

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkDe1mSDjtA

[tall torrent]

Where

[midnight patrol]

I unironically go looking for it lol

[flat pebble]

isn’t the vet shovel the sapper shovel

[tall torrent]

Nice

[flat pebble]

that’s confirmed the shovel

[midnight patrol]

230 rounds of reserve ammo vs 184 for the mk7

[bitter turtle]

Ammo node is literally useless, vraks cannot run out of ammo

[midnight patrol]

And 35 rounds instead of 20 ish on a small ammo tin pickup

Sublimeee

[bitter turtle]

Neither can hb for that matter

[merry oak]

agile engagment seems to work on the helbores bayonet

[bitter turtle]

Ya it does

[merry oak]

Dope

[midnight patrol]

Allows me to have runs where I somehow have more ranged kills than an Oggy with a Kickback

[untold mulch]

Heavier laspistol looks like

[tall torrent]

It does but doesn’t hit major breakpoints iirc

[nimble sentinel]

aight yes bayonnet with axe is fkn nutty but I don't have a block anymore

[midnight patrol]

I might be using my mk7 a lot lol

[nimble sentinel]

and I hate axe on its own

[tall torrent]

Wait
Foldable shovel is for OGRYN? Not vet?

Damn

[bitter turtle]

I do as well

[flat pebble]

the shovel they confirmed is the sapper shovel, not the latrine shovel which is the ogryn’s

[merry oak]

its extra damage but im playing around with my build i done use my melee weapon at all since the bayonet buff

[bitter turtle]

I have one game with over 1m dmg done

And I still had full ammo

[tall torrent]

The one shown in the trailer that’s clearly foldable is used by Ogryn

Maybe both?

[midnight patrol]

I've occasionally gotten down to around 30 to 40 ish ammo before

[untold mulch]

So two foldable shovels?

[flat pebble]

i’m thinking maybe both

[bitter turtle]

You refund too much with survivalist to ever deplete ammo

[topaz pebble]

That new revolver

[midnight patrol]

But that's because there was a gunlugger Oggy stealing all the ammo.

[topaz pebble]

Sounds fucking MEATY

But yeah, no "new" weapons

[merry oak]

anyone think serrated blade on the vet tree is worth taking?

[topaz pebble]

Only new mks

[bitter turtle]

no its shit

[untold mulch]

Pretty cringe ngl

[bitter turtle]

esp since i found out that onslaught proccing on bleed was only a patch 13 thing

[topaz pebble]

If you got a dagger with mercy killer and uncanny

[untold mulch]

a year without new weapons

[topaz pebble]

It's pretty good

[flat pebble]

it’s fine with an uncanny mercy killer combat blade

[merry oak]

yea i tired it not good with bayonet

[bitter turtle]

yes mercy killer dagger is the only reason except you should be running precog over mercy killer anyway

instead of having to waste 3 pts getting bleed

[forest blaze]

Fan revolver with speed loaders

[topaz pebble]

Punch leads straight to heavy so I reliably like 3 tap crushers

It's funny

[flat pebble]

you should already be getting the 10% melee node if you can imo

[bitter turtle]

precog daggers can 2tap crushers

[gilded dock]

is the shovel thats currently in the game any good>?

[flat pebble]

that’s just one more node after it

[bitter turtle]

and the punch is finnicky and annoying

it has bad hitreg

[merry oak]

the knife sould come with brass knuckles lol

[topaz pebble]

You're only punching to apply the first stack of bleed really

[flat pebble]

it’s good but you need to know its moveset and strengths or you’ll find it underwhelming

[topaz pebble]

But yeah the range is ass

[bitter turtle]

its not even teh range

[tall torrent]

New variants for:
Sapper shovel
Latrine shovel (x2?)
Knife
Chainsword
Chainaxe
Revolver
Laspistol

[rain ocean]

Fkn hell man, i feel like i don't know what talents i should go for, Voice just seems so good all the time, and i kinda like Focus Target but then i don't have points for some of the other good stuff

[flat pebble]

the punch is only for the free heavy

after by clicking l1

[bitter turtle]

https://youtu.be/uNyR4QNLXu8?t=24

yes

i know

i was testing the punch a lot

[forest blaze]

chainaxe rework plzzzzzz

[bitter turtle]

because i have ad agger with mercy killer AND one with executor

its just annoying to use though

the hitreg is just shit

look

LOL

[topaz pebble]

That's vet for you, constant point taxes

[bitter turtle]

if you cancel too quick it just doesn't come out

[prisma vessel]

Yeah two oggy shobels. Shown in that vidya.

[bitter turtle]

completely stupid on a weapon that's meant to sanic fast

[midnight patrol]

Idk how I will vibe with a fan fired revolver.

[flat pebble]

i just mean mentioning the punch without mentioning the heavy is like saying cereal is bad but never specifying you don’t use milk

[forest blaze]

Hopefully the rework is just trimming 1-2 pathing nodes tbh. That’s all I think it needs

[bitter turtle]

i mean the followup is a given

[midnight patrol]

If it was speedloader reloaded though..

[bitter turtle]

i use punch to do 2x heavy faster

[midnight patrol]

That would be a massive draw

[bitter turtle]

its faster than doing 2 heavies just by charging

[rain ocean]

Yeah man, it's kinda frustrating honestly

[tall torrent]

Vet new shovel

[flat pebble]

not if they don’t know about it because they’re asking questions about the knife rn

[topaz pebble]

I hate the new speedloader

[bitter turtle]

but the punch itself is just a piece of shit half the time

[untold mulch]

Imo

Only the Chainaxe needed a variant and becuase the normal one sucks

[tall torrent]

Ogryn 2 new shovels

[forest blaze]

Yah it’s in the video 🙂 speedloader revolver 🙂

[bitter turtle]

they weren't asking about knife

they were asking about the bleed talent

[flat pebble]

fair

[merry oak]

someone remind me, weakspots are headshots right?

[bitter turtle]

someone else who already uses knife brought up knife

[flat pebble]

point being it’s not obvious

that’s all

[topaz pebble]

Yeah

[merry oak]

mmk

[flat pebble]

knife moveset is really involved and not many people actually understand how to use it

[terse idol]

Aw what I thought they were making a folding shovel FOR THE VET not ogrnn

Fuuuxk

[bitter turtle]

i seriously hope

they fix teh punch hitreg

[topaz pebble]

New latrine shovel

[flat pebble]

imo still not worth using after you learn the moveset but w/e

[tall torrent]

There is a new vet shovel

[bitter turtle]

because what i showed in the vid is complete bullshit

[topaz pebble]

Hope it's good enough to be main melee

[untold mulch]

It looks like 2 shovel for Ogryn and one for vet

[flat pebble]

people PLEASE

[topaz pebble]

WHERES THE 2 HANDED WEAPON HUH FAT SHARK

[flat pebble]

the vet shovel is the sapper shovel which was already confirmed

[untold mulch]

WIth them saying no new weapons

it was never gonna happen

[tall torrent]

The new chain axe seems to be 2 handed

[topaz pebble]

Fucking 2H power sword actually rotting away

[untold mulch]

Oh?

[topaz pebble]

Id kill for a halberd

[flat pebble]

the full image has already been datamined and it very much looks one handed

do we have it confirmed it’s two?

[fathom grail]

Where is my lightning kitty claws

[tall torrent]

Hmm idk then

[muted knot]

Yes sir

[flat pebble]

i’d take a two handed chaxe im just sayin

[topaz pebble]

Maulers have them

[untold mulch]

Overall, I don't think this fixes any weapon issue except maybe Chaxe enjoyers

[topaz pebble]

Why cant we

[fathom grail]

What if it’s a small two handed weapon

[flat pebble]

zealot chat already got weird about the new chaxe at length

[untold mulch]

Sooo sure? new marks

[topaz pebble]

Like wheres all the cool and unique weapons

2H weapons, dual wield

Shielded weapons

[untold mulch]

Fatshark doesn't want to give it to us

[topaz pebble]

Like, cmon

[cold shell]

It's worth, if you want to do a lot of melee. Particularly for dagger and other fast hitting weapons, or weapons that cleave a lot but don't kill things in one shot. Axes, daggers, catachan swords.

[topaz pebble]

I personally wouldn't use serated for axes or catachans

[cold shell]

It works well with chainsword too.

[topaz pebble]

They already kill without me having to waste points pathing there

[merry oak]

yea with that 12 bleed blessing

[flat pebble]

feels redundant if you’re already using bloodletter

[merry oak]

im playing with the skill tree to make my bayonet better

[topaz pebble]

1 extra bleed on rev isn't gonna do anything really

[cold shell]

no, one bleed stack on top of twelve doesn't give you much, and many people use chainsword to just attack normally. Ironically only use it to kill one special or to pin an ogryn in place while someone else hits it.

[bitter turtle]

did someone say cool melee weapons

https://i.gyazo.com/a11833c0e5108f726ed0803f1128fcd8.jpg

[merry oak]

lol

[bitter turtle]

what can be cooler than this

[merry oak]

havent seen that done yet sound hillarious

[topaz pebble]

Give me a chainsword and boltpistol

[flat pebble]

you took the power off the power sword

[topaz pebble]

Like the rapier in V2

[merry oak]

Zweihandler

[bitter turtle]

i run it with smoke grenade and infiltrate

so i can throw a smoke grenade at my feet

and infiltrate to teleport behind my enemies

[topaz pebble]

There was a very interesting writeup about smokes

[bitter turtle]

like a real ninja

[topaz pebble]

And it has further reinforced my opinion that smokes are dogshit

[fathom grail]

“Guys we need something new with shovel” “hear me out”

[cold shell]

take a melee weapon with brutal momentum and limbsplitter. Hilariously they buff your bayonet.
You'll end up with a shite melee weapon but whatever who cares, you're only gonna use that when you're surrounded. Stick with your pals and hopefully they're okay.

[untold mulch]

Pickaxe build

[topaz pebble]

Your bayonet is your melee weapon

[merry oak]

yea i find percision strikes is better and consistent with the helbore over all

[topaz pebble]

If it's anything like V2 pickaxe that thing will fuck

[merry oak]

lol ill try it kek

[terse idol]

Oooh, I can plant c4 on enemies?

[flat pebble]

it’s not even gonna be a shit weapon you can use a 3/4 combat axe no problem

[cold shell]

give zealot duelling sword and give veteran bolt pistol and chainsword

[terse idol]

As far as I can tell it's a shovel that's gonna have different combo chains

Kinda hoping it's gonna have an overhead smash but

[cold shell]

yeah if the base weapon is fine you'll do well

[topaz pebble]

Don't even touch your melee weapon

Like I said

Bayonet IS your melee

[nimble sentinel]

aight so conclusion on my dicking around: bayonet/axe is nutty, but a meme build

[flat pebble]

i feel like we’ll have a damage special instead of a stagger special and a new moveset

[topaz pebble]

It's not a meme

[terse idol]

They gonna nerf it

[topaz pebble]

I'm not kidding

[flat pebble]

crushers enter the chat

[terse idol]

I'm telling ya

[nimble sentinel]

I got no block/shove my guy

[topaz pebble]

You got shout

[nimble sentinel]

I picked exe lol

[flat pebble]

you don’t really need it most of the time tbh

[marble yew]

What are the most popular blessing/perks on the chainsword?

[terse idol]

Thats the issue, that yes the bayonet rn can 10 stab a BoN but it's gonna get fixed

[flat pebble]

bruh

[topaz pebble]

And bayonet staggers or one shots anything outside of crushers

[topaz pebble]

Bruh

[terse idol]

FOR NOW

[cold shell]

nah, bayonet only hits one or two things, and they're slower than melee weapons, and if you're on lucius without deep marksman, you're wrong on the internet

[topaz pebble]

Brutal momentum and limbsplitter

You will, no exaggeration, top damage charts

[terse idol]

I mean bayonet gaining Buffs from blessings is actually wacky

[flat pebble]

slower than most melee weapons? not even a little

unless you mean the mk3

[topaz pebble]

It stabs so fucking fast

[tiny summit]

Tried out an axe without BM. Holy shit god awful

[nimble sentinel]

I play vanilla I ain't got no damage chaerts

[cold shell]

it is wacky, yeah.

[topaz pebble]

Yeah no don't touch mk3

Mk1 or 2

Mk3 bayonet is God awfuk

[nimble sentinel]

and my dipshit teammates are not ignitring the flares in the arena

the recon las vet is dead

[topaz pebble]

Not even a broken bug can save it

[gray sun]

so that folding shovel is for the ogryn?

[tall torrent]

Wait is the music in the beginning of the new trailer a new piece that’s not in the game yet?

[flat pebble]

nooooO

[cold shell]

mk3 is the best for shooting because it hits breakpoints on heavier enemies, and the bayonet also auto headshots, so I don't know what you're talking about.

[flat pebble]

there are multiple

[gray sun]

glad to hear

[tiny summit]

Mk3 bayonet is ass

[flat pebble]

the one they confirmed initially is the sapper shovel which is the vets

[topaz pebble]

Yeah it's good for shooting, but I'm talking about the bayonet

[flat pebble]

my head hurts

[topaz pebble]

If you take brutal momentum, limbsplitter, and some perks for weakspot damage, elite damage and shit like that

Bayonet will 1-2 shot literally everything outside of carapace

[flat pebble]

if we’re talking about using the bayonet as a melee weapon why would we use the helbores with objectively the worst bayonet attack though

[topaz pebble]

But that's what you have kraks and shout for

[terse idol]

I'm... not sold, after having tried my mk3 again after a while it's just so clunky to shoot

[merry oak]

i got an axe in reserve funny enough

now to farm 4 limspitter

[topaz pebble]

Just get a random axe

Doesn't matter the actual stats

[merry oak]

ik

[topaz pebble]

Only the blessings

[merry oak]

it was what i had

lol

[terse idol]

It kiinda matters if you get a Rashad

[merry oak]

it was just sitting there

[flat pebble]

good news is that literally all 4 limbsplitter tiers provide the same damage bonus

[topaz pebble]

Yeah

It's just the timer

[merry oak]

oh

kek

[topaz pebble]

Which doesn't matter

[nimble sentinel]

and the spyker gets dogged

[merry oak]

mmk

[topaz pebble]

Cause bayonet doesn't trigger timer

[merry oak]

mmk time to try it out

[nimble sentinel]

pov: khorne takes over and nobody signals for evac

[topaz pebble]

Like just grab a random axe off brunt, get limbsplitter and brutal momentum, fix your talent tree for some damage

[nimble sentinel]

busted bayonet is fun but not for me

[topaz pebble]

Go to psykanium, then just stab a mutant or rager

[nimble sentinel]

I miss my shovel

[topaz pebble]

And laugh

Like it was funny the first couple maelstroms

[flat pebble]

i do it to assert dominance over my team

[topaz pebble]

Then it got boring real fast

Like you trivialize damn near everything

[flat pebble]

yeah im probably gonna switch to a mk1 and a real melee weapon soon

the bugged interaction makes it dumb

3 stabs a second and you kill most everything in 1 stab

[merry oak]

yea you guys arent joking

[topaz pebble]

Like yeah

It's busted

Take agile engagement if you have the points

[flat pebble]

does that work?

[topaz pebble]

Then you actually one tap the mutant

[thick hare]

holy shit found me a league player

[topaz pebble]

That's horus

Kill him

[flat pebble]

ahhhh that’s what it was@

i was ohking mutants with the bayonet for a while and stopped and couldn’t figure out how to get back to doing it

[topaz pebble]

That bayonet overkills like basically everything

[ebon umbra]

anyone think stims may change the curio game???

[topaz pebble]

Your overkill damage will be like 500k+

[flat pebble]

limbsplitter things

[topaz pebble]

No, it's most likely a consumable that sits in crate slot

[flat pebble]

i think one of the CMs confirmed an added slot

[tall torrent]

Blow up a pox burster on him

[flat pebble]

or at least that’s what someone said in one of the class chats

[topaz pebble]

If so, potions are so back

[merry oak]

LOL

[topaz pebble]

But I feel like it's not the case

Too much work for fat shark

[thick hare]

it was on sedition difficulty, speedrunning my weeklies and literally all i told him was to run, started being extremely toxic instantly

couldnt do much on sedition difficulty to him sadly

[topaz pebble]

Oh uh

[flat pebble]

it’s not like they don’t already have the code structure

[topaz pebble]

I'm not a fan of that ngl, telling lower levels to just run

[nimble sentinel]

man's roleplaying the real mister heresy

[thick hare]

there is no solo in the game man

its not my fault

[topaz pebble]

I just knock my bounties out in auric cause all the expensive bounties are eqsy

[thick hare]

also my guy is lv20 in

sedition

[topaz pebble]

True, pain

[flat pebble]

uhhh

[topaz pebble]

But I take plasteel, diamantine, monstrosity kills, 1k kills and/or matches without dying

[flat pebble]

i mean it’s still kinda on you. the guy didn’t do anything wrong until he was toxic on a hair trigger

if he didn’t wanna speed run and that was it that’s totally fair

[plucky vessel]

maybe find a speedrunning group lol

[topaz pebble]

At least 500 melk bucks each and doesn't take too long

[plucky vessel]

why force your playstyle on others

[topaz pebble]

Outside of 6 games ofc

I mean, just asking to run isn't too bad

[thick hare]

why not have a solo host mode?

vermintide had it with mods

soloplay here is offline

cant do weeklies

[topaz pebble]

Vermintide had it period

[flat pebble]

there just isn’t one that that’s not the point

[thick hare]

also the moment i told him to run wasnt during ''speedrunning''

[safe vector]

Does the Helbore bayonet use your melee's stats/blessings??

[thick hare]

all 3 of us were

[topaz pebble]

But like, while I don't like speed running low rank missions, I feel like just asking isn't too bad

[thick hare]

waiting in the elevator

he was attacking 1-2 mobs and looting everywhere

for like 2-3 mins

[topaz pebble]

Only the blessings

[flat pebble]

no but if he was reasonable and said he wanted to go his own pace that would be fair too

[spark helm]

There's this solid enough 500 mk3 psword with t4 power cycler and wrath. I only have 1k. ;_;

[topaz pebble]

Well the way they're describing it, I'm inclined to agree with him now

3 people waiting in elevator

[flat pebble]

i mean the dude was toxic as hell

no matter what the guy sucks

[topaz pebble]

Not a fan of people just not getting in the elevator and instead hunt down stragglers

They're gonna spawn ahead of us anyways

[spark helm]

Can only get ordo dockets from what again?

[topaz pebble]

Let's not tempt the AI director to drop another horde cause we're not moving

[safe vector]

What are the best blessings for the Bayonet? I wanna make my friends shocked when I oneshot mutants

[flat pebble]

dismantling, mission failure and complete

[thick hare]

its the magistrati open area elevator, we literally had to wait at least 2 mins in the elevator while he went through

every corner of that big area (not even that big)

[topaz pebble]

Limbsplitter brutal momentum

[spark helm]

Fuck nevermind not dockets the stupid melk points.

[flat pebble]

o lol

[topaz pebble]

Bounties

That's it

[flat pebble]

just melk

[terse idol]

Milk points 😌

[topaz pebble]

Melk bucks

[safe vector]

So an axe secondary is the way to go?

[topaz pebble]

Yes

[flat pebble]

they’re the only blessings the bayonet benefits from

[topaz pebble]

Also, your axe stats doesn't matter

Cause your bayonet is your main melee weapon

[safe vector]

Good to hear.

Thanks!

[tiny summit]

Has anyone ran an assassination and exclusively used the bayonet on the boss?

[topaz pebble]

Yes

[flat pebble]

yes

they dieded

[topaz pebble]

I've run multiple maelstroms

Bayonet only

[tiny summit]

Lol

[topaz pebble]

It gets boring cause of how broken it is

[safe vector]

I run stealth with the bayonet, so I can just charge and backstab the shit out of the enemy backlines

[marble yew]

dudes, what blessings/perks should i go for on my chainsword

[topaz pebble]

Run shout

You will not regret it

[topaz pebble]

Rampage savage sweep

For general purpose

[tiny summit]

Bleed if you want a functioning chainsaw

Still bullshit bleed is a blessing on the chain weapons

[topaz pebble]

Or be me and try to one rev a crusher(with some difficulty) bleed on special attacks and shred

A crit rev can one shot a crusher

Surprisingly servicable outside of that too

[flat pebble]

carapace+elite+bloodletter+chastise (zealot) ohks crushers every time

i think you have to weakspot hit though

[topaz pebble]

On zealot it don't matter where you hit them

Cause you just chastise during rev

[marble yew]

Maybe i should chill with rolling a chainsword, think i saw a new chainsword variant in the part 2 trailer

[topaz pebble]

Vet needs some extra perks and a crit headshot

[flat pebble]

someone was showing multiple clips in zealot chat the other day and that doesn’t seem to hold true

[topaz pebble]

For all you know, the new chainsword can be hot garbage

[marble yew]

true, but if it kicks ass im back at square one

[topaz pebble]

I haven't used a chainsword on zealot in a long ass time cause I just use the evis

So yeah that could be true

But I think the bleed should kill them after your rev then chastise

[safe vector]

Doesnt Decimator work with the bayonet for rapid stabbing sessions?

[flat pebble]

idk they’ve been doing a good job of making variants in the same weapon type have distinct enough niches

[nimble sentinel]

Intermission: treat yourselves friends

[topaz pebble]

Less damage and consistent than brutal momentum

[tardy plaza]

literally the very first plas gun i consecrated up to orange for my new build

perfect blessings

[topaz pebble]

The fuck sorta hab you in that you get fresh veggies and meat

[flat pebble]

what’s going on with those burners

i need a focused image

[flat pebble]

you son of a fuck

[topaz pebble]

Oh yeah that's a really good plas

[tardy plaza]

threw 25% against unyielding and 25% against cara on it

[topaz pebble]

Personally would take maniac over unyielding

[flat pebble]

unarmored secures the dreg gunner ohk breakpoint fyi

unyielding unarmored is highly recommended

[nimble sentinel]

You can have a bowl if you never ask that again 😉

[tardy plaza]

you think so ?

[topaz pebble]

Yes Inquisitor, this heretic here

[tardy plaza]

im not particularly experienced with vet or plas gun so

[topaz pebble]

Fresh veg and meat

[flat pebble]

try it out, feel for yourself

[topaz pebble]

Heretic sorcery

[flat pebble]

you got two free perk slots forever

oh plasma gun is excellent fun

[nimble sentinel]

Arrested by the inquisition for enjoying a succulent Chinese meal!?

[flat pebble]

just remember the charge shot sucks and will exclusively be the reason you blow up outside of bugs

[topaz pebble]

The fuck is a Chinese

He's babbling heretic nonsense

[flat pebble]

doesn’t normal contemporary earth exist as history in the 40k universe

[tardy plaza]

yes

but its all forgotten

[topaz pebble]

But would they know the full history

Yeah

[flat pebble]

idk

[nimble sentinel]

https://youtu.be/XebF2cgmFmU?si=hBzKlbsL0m6jcpF7

[tardy plaza]

they dont even know the full history of years 2000 - 30000

[topaz pebble]

Oh yeah I know that clip

[tardy plaza]

so they definitely dont know 0 - 2000

[topaz pebble]

Wait no I dont

[spark helm]

Education in the Imperium has some solid reflections.

[topaz pebble]

I swear Inquisitor, I'm innocent

[flat pebble]

i’m just readin book 2 eisenhorn rn

idk the deep lore

[tardy plaza]

i've got 11 million ordos and 80k plasteel

time to roll for a power sword

[flat pebble]

eisenhorn just got to cadia and i’m like ooooo i think i know where this is going

[spark helm]

I wouldn't know much either really but that's mostly a staple from what I understand. You might have some planets that got whatever going on to sustain it but for something like what we got in Darktide, eh...

Education isn't really high on the Imperium's list. Within very strict boundaries and priorities sure. General education gets real warped real quick.

[flat pebble]

what are the chances the seer psyker knows random unknown earth history because the emperor is just making small talk about it

[spark helm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Doubt that a Psyker's word hold on any bearing depending on their station.

[flat pebble]

“[straining] no precious i don’t want to know about chow mein”

[spark helm]

What even is food in the Imperium?

Real shit.

[flat pebble]

starch

[spark helm]

😐

[flat pebble]

they have normal foods in the imperium

[tardy plaza]

for my MK VI power sword

[topaz pebble]

Corpse starch

[flat pebble]

they describe meals in the second eisenhorn book

[tardy plaza]

i want power cycler 4, should i go for slaughterer 4 or sunder 4 as a side

[topaz pebble]

For like, nearly everyone

[flat pebble]

like, high class normal food

[flat pebble]

brutal momentum 4

[topaz pebble]

Unless you're rich ofc

[safe vector]

I dont have limbsplitter but DAMN does headtaker do work

[flat pebble]

get limbsplitter

literally any tier of it works

[safe vector]

Im dry on plasteel

Gotta run a few aurics for morew

[flat pebble]

yeah this is classic imperium

ofc eisenhorn gets good real food as a famous inquisitor

[cold shell]

corpse starch isn't fed to nearly all the lower classes. It's there, but there's other food too. You can't recreate a population with soylent green, that's not how calories work.

[spark helm]

I'm still trudging to be auric ready again. The rng is really shitting on me lately lmao.

New content drop will happen anyway so meh? But this fucking power sword melk has is killing me.

I just can't get it.

And I don't want to burn the resources to gamble on making an equivalent/better one.

[cold shell]

you don't need optimal gear for aurics. It helps, but don't bust your balls about getting best in slot.

[tardy plaza]

good ?

[topaz pebble]

Yes

[flat pebble]

excellent

[topaz pebble]

Take off unyielding

[spark helm]

I know that completely. I just like having solid stuff that I can kind of just throw into a majority of build variants.

[nimble sentinel]

I’ll show you what is good

[topaz pebble]

Carapace or maniac

Whichever you got more trouble with

[tardy plaza]

maniac

definitely

[serene sage]

needs more sauce bro?

[tardy plaza]

carapace enemies are easy to kite

[spark helm]

I already have one piece of that in another power sword but I really would like the one with t4 @cold shell

[flat pebble]

maniac probably should secure the special poke mutant ohk

[spark helm]

so I could at least burn it

[cold shell]

I thought you were doing bolognese, but hey, that on rice is still good stuff

[cosmic crag]

[topaz pebble]

Funny enough

I think I have weakspot damage

And something else

And I can one shot mutants

[nimble sentinel]

nah bro, the meat has all the good spices AND my delicious hard-to-find sauce

[cold shell]

t4 is nice, but most t3 stuff is worth using.

[flat pebble]

that’s probably worth learning more about wrt that breakpoint

[serene sage]

my delicious hard-to-find sauce
🤨

[nimble sentinel]

hold on lemme grab a pic

[flat pebble]

no it’s cool

[nimble sentinel]

IT'S NOT THAT!

damn Slaanesh cultists...

[flat pebble]

no really it’s fine

[spark helm]

yeah and i do always. It's just got just about everything I'd already want even before getting hip to what's strong as hell. Main reason why I hate power sword tbh but it's a nice weapon and I actually like it too.

[flat pebble]

please

[bitter turtle]

Nasty

Man sauces

Ew

[topaz pebble]

T3 cycler is all you need

[flat pebble]

t4 was make or break for me imo

[spark helm]

me like the blue.

[serene sage]

your words, not mine

[flat pebble]

MODS

[topaz pebble]

Like the push attack already 2 shots everything, don't really need the 3rd

[flat pebble]

HES POSTING MAN SAUCE

[bitter turtle]

See

[spark helm]

the one i'm using rn has t3 and t4 sunder so it's pretty much already there.

[cold shell]

I think with bayonets using melee weapon buffs, I'd like to see the gun bashes also use melee weapon buffs. It makes sense. And roll them into melee kills as far as weekly progress goes.

[topaz pebble]

Like it was nice to have once I got it though

[bitter turtle]

Man(is) sauce

[topaz pebble]

Oh uh

I would remove sunder

[flat pebble]

it’s for the ad clear

[topaz pebble]

For brutal momentum

[spark helm]

don't have it yet.

[flat pebble]

GASP

[topaz pebble]

Yeah those 2 powered swings have already decapitated half the horde

[civic bay]

and the third decapitates rhe rest

[topaz pebble]

But yeah mk6 ps

[spark helm]

There's a t2

[topaz pebble]

Might need another looking at

[flat pebble]

entirely serviceable

[spark helm]

Unsure if that'll be enough. Bare minimum is fine

[flat pebble]

it’s not the weakspot damage that’s the point

[spark helm]

Yeah I know how it works now.

[topaz pebble]

Idk, feels wrong that I can 2 tap literally anything while having some of the best hordeclear

[civic bay]

I dunno, I’m generally in the T3 is fine camp but for Power Cycler that’s 2 -> 3 empowered swings which is a 50% increase

[flat pebble]

then you should be sure that it’s enough my friend

[topaz pebble]

I also unironically use a stamina curio for my ps

[civic bay]

*fine to stop at

[spark helm]

It's the one time I ever actually thought of the numbers game in this game.

[topaz pebble]

So I can spam push attack more

[drifting oak]

so when is the update coming out

I didn't see a date

[spark helm]

I'm thinking flak and carapace.

[flat pebble]

fatshark has a very serious idea that mobility is something that heavily tips the scales in balancing is why it’s like this

[nimble sentinel]

neither did we, only some time in December

[topaz pebble]

I mean, mobility is something that tips the balance

But uh

[drifting oak]

alright, just making sure that

1. I'm not blind
2. fatshark didn't do the thing where they dropped the update early

[spark helm]

There's more unarmoured mobs than poxwalker mobs right?

[topaz pebble]

It's not needed if I can scream at the top of my lungs and send everything careening to the floor

[drifting oak]

Also on higher difficulty power sword's lack of mobility is extremely prominent

[civic bay]

They just announced it a few days ago so early is still a possibility

[flat pebble]

yes

is this about the ps perks?

[spark helm]

I'm thinking flak and unarmoured. just hard generalist setup.

[drifting oak]

playing dance-dance revolution with twenty bombers and flamers making huge amounts of the floor no-go

[spark helm]

I can put it in anything anything.

[flat pebble]

elite+caparace/maniac is the generally recommended setup

[civic bay]

there’s no point in poxwalker damage

especially on a Power Sword

[spark helm]

Is the mauler torso flak or carapace? forgot.

[civic bay]

you’re super overkilling them anyway

[nimble sentinel]

flak

[flat pebble]

unarmored+infested is also recommended because apparently it’s a stats storm and shreds hordes in a way i don’t understand

[topaz pebble]

Mauler torso flak, helmet carapace

[drifting oak]

power sword already roasts trash mobs so fast that there's no reason to stat for them, generally you go maniacs for mutie dps and then carapace because it carves up crushers better and you really do not want them to live

[topaz pebble]

For the ps, I think I unironically have weakspot damage as one of the perks

[flat pebble]

with the PS6 you should just be stabbing mauler helms anyway

[drifting oak]

flak, unarmored, infested are all pretty much completely extraneous, they won't reduce hits to kill on like anything

[topaz pebble]

The push attack is actually cursed

Why does it do so much headshot damage

[spark helm]

oops

forgot what the other perk i had on it so it's just weak spot

[topaz pebble]

Wait what

[spark helm]

i don't care for weak spot on mk4 but it's fine

[topaz pebble]

WAIT MK4

[civic bay]

reminds me of Dueling Sword and Deimos

[tiny summit]

Next update gives a bug that energizes helbore bayonet

[spark helm]

It's carapace weakspot

[topaz pebble]

???

Uh

Shit

Wait, you mean mk3 ps right

[flat pebble]

[topaz pebble]

Cause there's no mk4 ps

[spark helm]

the one i flubbed yeah

[nova path]

Hey guys jumping in with a quick question, are the Veteran penances fixed now or should I not bother?

[spark helm]

whatever the fuck the other one is

[topaz pebble]

The og ps

[tiny summit]

They were fixed

[spark helm]

with the diagonal heavies.

[civic bay]

should be fixed by a hotfix patch

[topaz pebble]

Uh, I don't know about that one

[flat pebble]

the mk6 has a diagonal first heavy

[topaz pebble]

Cause I haven't used it in like, a year

[flat pebble]

the other one has horizontal heavies

[spark helm]

You just rev light spam most of the time anyway.

[civic bay]

Diagonal heavies is 6

[spark helm]

yeah that one

[topaz pebble]

Doesn't mk3 also have sweeping heavies

[thick hare]

uh, is there a gun that can deal with any situation and is ammo efficient? as i am fairly unfamiliar with vet guns

[flat pebble]

kery help us help you lol

[nova path]

Brilliant so Survivalist works towards the resupply penance now?

[topaz pebble]

Well the important part is, is the push attack a stab

[topaz pebble]

Colomnus

[spark helm]

i don't even pay attention to the names most of the time lol

[topaz pebble]

Revolver

Lasguns

Hellbores, but that's cause bayonet is busted

[spark helm]

mk6 psword with carapace and weak spot + t3 power cycler/t2 brutal momentum

[flat pebble]

except the mk3 bayonet

[topaz pebble]

Yeah

That's good

[flat pebble]

which is balanced by being awful

[civic bay]

Probably Infantry Autogun or Headhunter Autogun overall

[spark helm]

I forgot what the other perk it was but it's fine

carapace

[topaz pebble]

Now go to the psykanium and push attack then light the crusher

[civic bay]

I forgot the exact variation names

[topaz pebble]

And just laugh at the damage it does

[spark helm]

I've seen it

[topaz pebble]

It also powers up in like, half a second

[civic bay]

Infantry Lasgun suffers against carapace and Revolver doesn’t hold enough shots

[spark helm]

I'll be a bum and go middle tree.

[tiny summit]

Yes. I got it done in a few missions after it was fixed

[civic bay]

Vraks VII Headhunter is incredibly reliable if you can shoot heads

[flat pebble]

and you get the right perks, and high damage and stopping power

[civic bay]

Otherwise Columnus (?) Autogun is prolly safer while still having solid headshot damage

[topaz pebble]

Revolver does everything you need it to in most situations though

Carapace, no problem. Elites and specials, no problem

[civic bay]

Revolver with Weapon Specialist especially

[topaz pebble]

Vet also has no issue with reloading it

[civic bay]

It doesn’t handle trash shooters as well

[topaz pebble]

Yeah wep spec

[thick hare]

all of these can deal with cara and all other threats?

[civic bay]

It handles everything big perfectly

[topaz pebble]

Not colomnus

Unless you're running marksmens with rending strikes

Can't just chastise to turn carapace into cardboard on vet

[thick hare]

what about rest? lasguns

[civic bay]

eh just body shot a few times xD

you could make a case for Onslaught too

[topaz pebble]

Same with the iLG

Struggle with carapace

Actually I cap

Mg12

I use headhunter deadly accurate on it

Does a huge chunk of damage to crushers

[civic bay]

Nice thing about Infantry Lasgun is the scope

[topaz pebble]

Everything has a scope if you're deranged enough

Once you have a scope on the hellbore

[civic bay]

But if you’re fine with ADS then I find the Headhunter guns more reliable, personally

[topaz pebble]

You see for the first time

[thick hare]

so only revolver and mg12?

[topaz pebble]

Like I can't believe the hellbore sights used to be worse

[thick hare]

i am kinda bored of revolver after also using it too much on zealot

so might give mg12 a try

[karmic musk]

It was?

[topaz pebble]

Yes

[civic bay]

well the thing about crushers is that you can just krak grenade them as vet

[topaz pebble]

Zoomed in more

Like comically so

[civic bay]

you have unlimited krak grenades

[topaz pebble]

I didn't used to use kraks much since patch 13

[civic bay]

and if there are more the 2-3 you still have teammates

[topaz pebble]

I don't touch them now

[karmic musk]

Teammates

[topaz pebble]

That bug has killed all reason for me to use kraks

[karmic musk]

More like soon-to-be corpse starch

[thick hare]

then lets say we exclude crushers, colomnus better?

[flat pebble]

i like kraks for bosses

[topaz pebble]

Yes, but that's cause colomnus is broken

[civic bay]

I usually use Frag for the flexibility but if I wanted to cover the Mauler/Crusher/Bulwark hole in my loadout then Krak is nice

[thick hare]

actually bugged broken to be fixed or just good?

[flat pebble]

two big chunks of damage and staggers and then my shout for a third stagger opens up bosses to so much hurt from a focused team

[topaz pebble]

Just good

[thick hare]

oh ok

[topaz pebble]

I'm a frag simp

[flat pebble]

shredders also excellent

[topaz pebble]

Super multi purpose

But yeah colomnus is the best gun to abuse marksmens focus

Ez headshots

[civic bay]

What difficulty are you on?

[topaz pebble]

And absurdly ammo efficient

[thick hare]

also after looking at the guns now i see there are 2 colomnus which one are we talking about here

[topaz pebble]

Iag

Not braced

[civic bay]

I feel like priorities kinda change with difficulty too

[topaz pebble]

I mean I'm assuming most people here mean auric

[flat pebble]

yeah same

[civic bay]

In Malice I was more scared about general elites, but on Damnation those normal shooters gotta go too

[tall torrent]

Best vet guns rn (imo)
Plasma
Revolver
Helbore (1, 2, 3)
IAG (1, 5, 8)
Laspistol
Headhunter (3, 7)

[topaz pebble]

Even then, it still applies to lower difficulties

[flat pebble]

there aren’t other difficulties with metas worth discussing lol

lower difficulty you can use literally everything

[thick hare]

as the only build i am currently use is the melee one, do you happen to have one for colomnus?

[topaz pebble]

Let me pull up that website rq

[karmic musk]

Pretty sure Lasgun Mg la and IV is also good

[civic bay]

I wouldn’t assume highest difficulty unless they’re min-maxing

[flat pebble]

kant and lawbringer shotty imo deserve a place

[tall torrent]

They’re good too

[tall torrent]

They’re also good
But idk if they’re like truly busted lvl strong

[flat pebble]

i’ve been really impressed by the mg1a lately

[tall torrent]

1a is very nice

[flat pebble]

i think they’re excellent but balanced

[rugged goblet]

Fuck you Melk with your kill 1000 scab with melee for veteran

[placid portal]

I KNEW IT SPEEDLOADER REVOLVER RELOAD

[topaz pebble]

Do note, I have not run pure ranged vet in some time

[flat pebble]

they made them both feel and be useful as actual shotguns now which is of course a useful sort of weapon in a horde game with elites and specials

[civic bay]

Random, but can Vet run Kantrael without Shattering Strike by using Weapon Specialist? Or is it still strong to double up

[karmic musk]

I wouldn't call Shotguns good when Plasma and Revolver are better shotguns

[thick hare]

what perks/blessing i want on colomnus

[topaz pebble]

The hell is shattering strikes

[civic bay]

errrr

sorry, the crit on enemies hit one

[flat pebble]

revolver is not a better shotgun in my honest opinion

[civic bay]

wrong blessing name haha

[tall torrent]

I think shotguns are strong but more niche in their applications and while they’re excellent and can absolutely carry games, they don’t give this “holy shit” lvl of feeling

[civic bay]

it’s like 8-12% crit per enemy hit for the next shot

[topaz pebble]

For the colomnus, I take dumdum, stripped down, carapace and maniac