veteran-class

[spark helm]

Oh yeah. Idk the show it's from but I enjoyed the heehee.

[modern dome]

hee hee hoo hee

[spark helm]

The pfp is from a show too. Facial physical comedy in K-Dramas is hilarious as fuck.

[modern dome]

TRUE

[umbral scaffold]

There is also this, when you are mowing down trash and shooters with your brauto or iag it can cover the toughness damage you take from moving up to them while shooting

[flat pebble]

it’s great on flamer

[spark helm]

@modern dome Context is she's convinced this dude who is an insurance broker is someone using access to vulnerable clients for some femme serial killer/attacker. It's dark as hell but the show uses its humor to kind of shine a light on fuckery while genuinely making it funny in functional taste.

At least to me, idk shit about Korean cultural outlook on sustained misogyny

[modern dome]

BASED LOL

[spark helm]

I'm guessing they'll fall in love or something since they're both socially jank weirdos in exhausting, self-defeating jobs that give them the money to sustain being gourmet broke.

[spark helm]

The scene is hilarious. Dude is giving her all the receipts he can. She's not buying it.

[modern dome]

Then she hits him with that goofy face

[delicate moat]

wait so for rashad to one shot both bruisers on vet, i would need +flak/+unarmored, good base stats, precision strike, the melee finesse node all simulatneously right?

[modern dome]

lmfaoo

[viral nacelle]

Korean culture has an issue with like next level sexism. If you teleported a mega sexist 50s dude to Korea rn he’d be like “wow dude that’s sexist”

Like, major kpop stars putting cameras in women’s bathrooms and sharing the videos with all their friends n shit

[spark helm]

She works in the office of some big shot lawyer that's straight up some nice guy incel bitch boy who's been plotting on her since she rejected him. Like in college or law school I don't remember

She doesn't even recognize him as the same guy. I think she even forgot his name lmao.

Dude sucks too

[pale rapids]

Don't Korean phones by law make a sound when you take a picture to alarm women of possible up skirting?

It's that bad

[modern dome]

Yeah lol my gfs phone makes that sound every time

[warm idol]

damn korea is wack

[spark helm]

Most of what I'm marginally aware of is more through the fuckery going on within their entertainment industry. It's not like it's exceptionally unique considering how fucked the global entertainment industry works but does stand out for its scale. Aside from being extremely sexist, it's also just cleanly racist, Uses queerness as a marketing plot than a means to sincere expression, definitely xenophobic but that's where I don't have a better awareness to see how that culture does it.

All definitely having historical links to worsening as their forced relationship with the United States. And having it's own brand of organic fuckery.

[viral nacelle]

Yes, it’s insane

[spark helm]

I mean, if people are talking about America, it's already a bad time lol

[viral nacelle]

Like people over there just don’t even give an f about common courtesy stuff

[spark helm]

As far as creeper shit goes it's sustained in similar ways to American sensibilities: a culture of denial and diminishing of people with a sincere historical timeline of being exploited and abused.

But comparatively, people in parts of Korea that Americans are more familiarized with have the same wealth inequalities, social stratification, classism, etc. The symptoms of those problems manifest very differently

[flat pebble]

so it sounds like if you wanna have a really good time in korea just be wealthy and powerful?

[spark helm]

The Korea presented to most Americans is a Korea enshrined in privilege on average. So when it comes to its entertainment sensibilities, there's a necessity to only display one array of the country's societal spectrums.

[spark helm]

Yes. Absolutely. Lmao.

Especially in the capital. You have no money you're practically nothing.

Same as America

[rancid echo]

guys i'm like a week into the game, how is this axe? I have it in the store

[quaint valve]

stats are fine

[spark helm]

Although, again, idk if the country has some of the same contemporary issues as America has sustained for the last...I'll use 50 years.

[flat pebble]

feels salvageable

[viral nacelle]

I’d get it

[quaint valve]

would probably change decapitator to brutal momentum and a perk to flak or maniac

[warm idol]

isnt that most of the world tbh

[flat pebble]

hmmmmm. idk im american

[warm idol]

if you have money and connections

regardless of where you are

[flat pebble]

sure maybe

[terse idol]

Yeah I mean to be fair.
If you live in North Korea as a rich guy its not that bad

[warm idol]

you can get away with a disgusting amount of things

[spark helm]

You got some countries where shit isn't super different but the system is ran very differently.

[rancid echo]

seems decent stat wise even if the blessings are meh

[flat pebble]

i just don’t need to learn about the rest of the world because USA, USA, USA

[spark helm]

Oh boy

[terse idol]

but considering the majority of the population lives in poverty, its a pretty bad time

[rancid echo]

what perks should I get on the axe? unarmoured seems bad

[warm idol]

corruption and greed is just the way of the world really

[flat pebble]

unarmored is among the acceptable consolation prizes for a perk imo

[warm idol]

not that different outside of the us

[flat pebble]

im not sure why you’re explaining this to me

[rancid echo]

isnt carapace the keeper for that kind of single target weapon though?

[terse idol]

I would say Japan certainly still had a problem with sexism and workplace abuse too

[rancid echo]

or should i trade carapace for flak

[terse idol]

Its like ahhh

My god

[spark helm]

These are tools that are needed to be tempered to create a lived I'm reality that seems like it's been the only way.

[flat pebble]

i feel like i have been clearly memeing this whole time

[spark helm]

The world has never exclusively been one ran through exploitative systems

[terse idol]

Probably keep carapace to take down crushers faster

[rancid tinsel]

what blessings should I be looking for on a shotgun? like the agripiina?

[flat pebble]

it’s also good but i wouldn’t call caxes only single target weapons, you use them on hordes as well

[warm idol]

even in places that seem fine on a surface glance if you look deeper you are bound to find fucked up shit

[flat pebble]

just choose what you hate more

and replace the other with flak or maniac, again whichever you hate more

and replace decapitator with brutal momentum most likely

[delicate moat]

I wonder if ur axe can hit both bruiser breakpoints

[rancid echo]

im planning on pairing it with a revolver or plasma since i got good rolls on those, i guess ill try it out in diff 4/5 before i chance a perk

[warm idol]

I heard a lot of bad shit from japan

[flat pebble]

this sounds like a good idea to me

[warm idol]

when it comes to workplace conditions

I still wanna visit it at some point but it seems like a shitty place to live in if you arent native

[flat pebble]

if you’re pairing it with revolver or plasma you could arguably replace carapace with flak because your revolver or plasgun will be taking care of carapace and maniacs

[spark helm]

Yes and that's part of my point. An example of this constant fluidity comes in the mere existence of the lack of presence of groups of say indigenous populations that have been confirmed to have a collective of sustained egalitarianism

[flat pebble]

although your revolver will be less useful against ragers

[spark helm]

Even modern depictions of countries that operate on social spending and the like that aren't only able to secure that kind of system due to having a hand in a prior Era of mass exploitation.

This statement excludes countries that can employ the Nordic model for example.

[terse idol]

Well uhh, yeah I mean I watch those YTber named Dogan

He does make alot of valid points how it was easier for him to naturalise because his wife is native Japanese

And as a foreigner youuuu need to act extra polite

[flat pebble]

i saw a fun video about once of a japanese man complimenting a mixed black woman for her japanese once and she was like “im from here :)” and that sticks with me for some reason

[terse idol]

Its that theory of like well you gotta assimilate to japanese culture to be considered Japanese

[rancid echo]

true, i need wave clear and im not sure how well the axe does with trash mobs

[spark helm]

It's a little more than that.

[warm idol]

imo if you move to any country you gotta assimilate to their culture

[flat pebble]

with brutal momentum, it does well

[viral nacelle]

I wonder if I’ll ever roll a claw that isn’t dogshit

[rugged goblet]

Don't worry, we have our own set of problems, even if it's not quite as bad as some others

[warm idol]

moving somewhere and not respecting the culture and customs of the locals is a big nono in my book

[spark helm]

A core aspect of this belief actually removes the possibility for those considered outside to ever be capable of assimilation. There is no assimilation: you're outside of the system to begin with.

[terse idol]

I did also see a funny meme about how a Japanese man that lives in Japan trying to get an apartment overheard his realtor talking to the land lord and what he recalled was basically the realtor saying "Oh no it's okay, he's like Japanese"

[warm idol]

lmao

[spark helm]

Not sure who we is.

[viral nacelle]

Norway didn’t have an “era of exploiting others”, it found an assload of oil in the ocean and went from dirt poor to Nordic Arabia overnight

[terse idol]

Well yeah but like I do like to think that the more accustom you are the more people do warm up

Now is that gonna be true in all cases nooooo

Not one bit

[rugged goblet]

Nordics

[spark helm]

Strictly incorrect. Norways diplomatic affiliations as early as the fallout of the Berlin conference carried severe economic boons for the country. They weren't exclusive but they constituted significantly

[delicate moat]

How did someone even find out rashad with this super specific build can one shot both bruisers

[terse idol]

He did get the apartment but basically he was just very polite as in "Like a Japanese person"

Quiet in their room doesn't stand out

[spark helm]

Mm. I know there's enough fuckery there too.

[viral nacelle]

Which claw is the good one

[delicate moat]

4 or 7, both good

[viral nacelle]

😂

[flat pebble]

the higher the number the higher the skill cap is the pattern to me it seems

[spark helm]

If it's laughable that tangible history exists go nuts.

[flat pebble]

4 is a good baseline

[terse idol]

I mean the harsh part of Norway and indeed Nordic countries thriving now is economically they got very lucky

[viral nacelle]

Do you think you can pull the thesaurus out of your ass or is it permanently stuck there?

[spark helm]

There wasn't much luck to begin with

[spark helm]

No, I just read shit for years over time and take my time

[flat pebble]

is tangible supposed to be the thesaurus word? those are all like, normal terms

[spark helm]

I don't really know where it's going. I don't care. People can read my English very directly.

[umbral scaffold]

Globefriends make this impossible

[viral nacelle]

Scroll up, man seeing how many 5 dollar words he can drop in half an hour

It’s like a speed run of the dictionary

[spark helm]

I use syllables.

Crazy

[viral nacelle]

Yeah that’s what’s goin on

[terse idol]

Its okau

[viral nacelle]

🙄

[flat pebble]

maybe it’s because i studied english literature but i don’t agree, sorry

[terse idol]

Come on why you gotta insult language use

[viral nacelle]

first roll of brunt

[spark helm]

I can't see it as an insult that I have to accept

[flat pebble]

now cross your fingers

although the cleave damage is low unfortunately

[spark helm]

I express my thoughts as they are and as they come. I type them out. Pretty straightforward.

[viral nacelle]

I hope you find something on topic to talk about one day

[spark helm]

Just did man

[viral nacelle]

Uhuh

[spark helm]

Yes. Lol

You included yourself in the conversation in the same way you turned a spotlight to it and are about to see your way out.

[viral nacelle]

The best block I ever used

[terse idol]

I mean come on oddball we literally just talked about japan and korea

What the hell

[viral nacelle]

Any thoughts on claw blessings?

[spark helm]

You going for horde clear?

A lot of people take brutal momentum and wrath together.

[terse idol]

I think he just blocked you

[spark helm]

That's fine.

[flat pebble]

no bm on DC iirc

[viral nacelle]

Mine is bricked so I’m just looking to boost it

[spark helm]

Ah, didn't know

[tall torrent]

rampage + savage sweep

[spark helm]

There it is

That one

[flat pebble]

it’s pretty much any sensible combination of rampage, savage sweep, shred and wrath

[viral nacelle]

Yeah I usually do that on melee

[tall torrent]

shred is only good on tac axes imo

[viral nacelle]

Vet has just an absurd demand for plasma if you want to try out a bunch of gear

[tall torrent]

because tac axes u can get like ~50% crit chance

[flat pebble]

i include it for comprehensiveness only

without fail someone would tell me shred is good if i didn’t include it

so it turns out maybe im just fucked now that i think about it

[frank ether]

bruh another plasma high roll with 75 charge

[rancid echo]

the different marks on veteran guns are driving me crazy, can someone tell me if any mk headhunter autogun is worth using

[tall torrent]

power sword (BM + PC)
combat axe (BM + headtaker/decimator)
tactical axe (BM + shred)
DC sword (rampage + savage sweep)
chainsword (rampage + savage sweep/wrath)
shovel (uncanny + decimator)
knife (uncanny + mercy killer)

[flat pebble]

the 3 for zealot and 7 for vet is my barebones rec

[tall torrent]

Vraks mk III and Vraks mk VII

Agripinaa mk IX is meh

[flat pebble]

they really need to figure that one out

[rancid echo]

whats the diff between and 3 and 7

[flat pebble]

3 burst vs semi

vet makes way better use of the semi on a dedicated build

[frank ether]

if you like head hunting, then yes

vraks guns are especially good

[tall torrent]

low recoil 3-r burst
semi auto with some unpredictable recoil when spammed

[frank ether]

vraks 3 being your 3 burst gun and vraks 7 is a semi auto DMR

[rancid echo]

oh ew i hate burst guns

[frank ether]

uncultured

anyways

I banish you to use infantry autoguns then

[flat pebble]

i really like it on the zealot because it’s got some favorable shooter/gunner/shotgunner breakpoints

[frank ether]

all 3 are good

[tall torrent]

vraks3 is really good

[rancid echo]

i wish i had the resources to actually try both

but this gamba system is murdering me

[frank ether]

you'll have resources in time

[flat pebble]

if you’re on vet just prioritize the 7

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1176555008431493200/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.21_-_11.08.35.05.mp4?ex=657885bd&is=656610bd&hm=20790847aa2484c6568d9e2a29d19a57bf21aa462aa0840838ef7e0bfd933dbb&

[flat pebble]

try out the 3 for sure, but, eventually

[frank ether]

hmm

[rancid echo]

i have a good roll on revolver and plasma but nothing else

[frank ether]

with the new patch I'm feeling like

we might get recon&chaxe changes

so I'm fishing for a good one from now

[tall torrent]

it's really controllable recoil in 3r burst

[flat pebble]

yeah i’ve never really had problems with the recoil personally

[junior needle]

I remember the 3 being super smooth even on full autofire

[frank ether]

vraks 3 is very smooth

easy to control

lovely gun

[rancid echo]

i think i used it during leveling and the moving inaccuracy/recoil was pain but thats probably due to low stats

if one pops in the shop i guess i'll try

[tall torrent]

this is a low stability roll btw

only 66%

[rancid echo]

and thats the 7?

[tall torrent]

that's vraks3

3r burst

[frank ether]

7 is a lot slower

3 is burst

[tall torrent]

vraks7 is semi auto with way more recoil if u squeeze the trigger / spam m1

[rancid echo]

oh it doesnt look like a 3 round burst, just looks like full auto

[frank ether]

the thing you need to remember is

they are headshot weapons

if you don't headshot they'll suck

if you want spray and pray look for a different gun

[viral nacelle]

Man I always ignored claw but it’s ducking great

[tall torrent]

on vraks3 u want to aim upper torso and the recoil kicks into headshots for most ranges

[rancid echo]

i mean thats sort of a given with anything other than shotguns/plasma right

[frank ether]

I'm telling you before you spend your plasteel

[viral nacelle]

The parry is based

[tall torrent]

very consistent 2 burst on both gunners & flamers

2 burst reaper to the head

[rancid echo]

alli know is, i regret spending my stuff on a hellbore 3

got a nice roll but holy shit its pain to use

the pullout time when yyou have a team that doesnt horde clear is PAIN

[frank ether]

sort of but vraks meta is to build for crit headshots that let you do huge damage to tanky targets

[rancid echo]

do crits ignore armor

[frank ether]

not neccessarily

[tall torrent]

carapace u mean? no

[frank ether]

you just hit a lot harder

[inner imp]

why is this a thing

??????????????????????????

[frank ether]

and if you build it right you'll get some armor pen from talents

[tall torrent]

headhunter autoguns are especially strong vs flak armor but suck against maniac

[inner imp]

brothers and sisters in christ. how does this bug even happen

[tall torrent]

don't bother shooting mutants and dreg ragers

also u might want suppression immunity talent for ur vraks3 and vraks7 if u plan on dueling gunners and reapers

[frank ether]

I think its the servers sharting

or some other weird bug

happened to me once

like 2 days ago

[untold mulch]

The warp takes another soul 😔

[inner imp]

actually wild

[frank ether]

yea

[rancid echo]

god i hate maniacs

[frank ether]

if you wanna kill maniacs fast

[rancid echo]

i was going to use the headhunter autogun on a highlight build for cleaning up ranged plinkers

[frank ether]

infantry autoguns

or infantry lasguns

[junior needle]

I FEEL THE WARP OVERTAKING ME

[frank ether]

those both do like 4000 something dps to maniac, silly

[inner imp]

did someone say ak47 agripiss brace auto

[untold mulch]

You

[inner imp]

there is only agripiss

now excuse me while i try not to get warp killed

[tall torrent]

then use IAGs or ILGs

Smth like this

[iron marten]

That's a sexy Graia

[cosmic jacinth]

I had some dude say my 80% on everything and 60% reload speed revolver is bad cause of the 20% difference

[tall torrent]

Just saw a lv16 quick play queue into damnation

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[wanton dawn]

This took a freaking hour ! At least I got my 1m+ overkill game

[flat pebble]

don’t say this in front of reddit or you’re a bigot

it’s their god given right to bottomfrag at low level in damnation

[cosmic jacinth]

Fr sounds like my brother

[midnight mortar]

Stop gatekeeping!!!!!

[cosmic jacinth]

Tryna do Heresy at 20

[midnight mortar]

God you're so elitist.

No I don't care that other people's time and energy are being wasted! It's my game! My fun!!

[flat pebble]

I SPENT MONEY ON IT

[midnight mortar]

🤣

[flat pebble]

like it makes them unique in that regard

[midnight mortar]

I always love that argument.

[cosmic jacinth]

ALL 10$ ON GAME PASS. NOW CARRY ME

[midnight mortar]

Yeah, they spent money and no one else did.

Therefore they have priority.

[vital saddle]

anyone know if shotguns stack onslauhght per pellet or per shot

[midnight mortar]

I believe it's per shot.

[vital saddle]

cringe

[flat pebble]

it should almost certainly be per shot

[midnight mortar]

Should be testable in the meat grinder though.

I feel like if it was per pellet you'd be seeing insane numbers.

[tall torrent]

Onslaught not that great with shotguns

[vital saddle]

should be per pellet...

[tall torrent]

Because onslaught only stacks on single targets

[flat pebble]

i should be able to get all stacks in one shot

[vital saddle]

ye just tested per shot sadge

petition to make onslaught per pellet for shotguns

🙂

[flat pebble]

i mean wouldn’t it just fundamentally be broken

[vital saddle]

not really if they make it only stack 8

just seems sad that shotties are always getting the shaft

[flat pebble]

shotties are in such an excellent state right now

what are you talking about

[cosmic jacinth]

Shaft? 🤭

[vital saddle]

u really gunna tell me that agripina shotty compares to litterally any other shotty rn

[flat pebble]

the one that has the longest range and incredibly easily kill chains on left tree vet?

[hollow turtle]

I enjoy watching other Agri shotgun users rather than using it myself.

Seeing the trail of smoke from the special shot is kind of satisfying.

[flat pebble]

i for sure don’t like it but it’s hard to deny its effect with the right build and users

[viral nacelle]

Devil claw parry is so fun, why isn’t this a mechanic on more things

[vital saddle]

with that logic u can insert any underperforming weapon into the left side tree go for head and melt

[hollow turtle]

You mean a revolver?

[flat pebble]

okay so do that with recon lasgun after doing it with the agri shottie and tell me it’s the same experience

[flat pebble]

also let’s be clear here your first statement was this

you brought in the agri after the fact

[dusty helm]

obviously volatile -> gets hot

but do I put flak/maniac for the other perk?

[quaint valve]

volatile isnt bad either

[dusty helm]

I have access to gets hot 4 though

[sharp ember]

maniac over specialists i reckon

[terse idol]

I'm gonna say it

Charge rate caps out where it won't matter anymore

[flat pebble]

volatile apparently has negative charge time/damage interactions

[dusty helm]

?????

[quaint valve]

yeah its really weird

[rain steppe]

Can anyone suggest a build for headhunter or infantry lasgun, I like semi-auto pew pew

[terse idol]

Yeah if the left click bug is still here for pguns the higher your CR the lower your left click damage will do

[quaint valve]

there are certain ranges where it is good and others where it messes things up

[flat pebble]

people recommend unarmored unyielding for the dreg gunner ohk breakpoint

[sharp ember]

it's an oscillating value, check pinned for the table

[terse idol]

You want to get 73% CR because that gives you rhe most left click damage (its not bad if you have more because the damage is negligible)

But its something to consider

[flat pebble]

73 among maybe 4 other comparable damage peaks

73 the highest peak among them

[dusty helm]

so the plasma in question has 79% so it should be good yea?

[terse idol]

And I FEEL like charge rate at high numbers maxes out where the charge only changes between millisecond values which means it doesnnothingn

[terse idol]

No

[dusty helm]

[terse idol]

You want 73%

Because the closer you approach 80% CR

The less left click damage you do

Its not important that though

[dusty helm]

okay I had it backwards thank you

[flat pebble]

79 is a 1.5% damage difference from 73

[terse idol]

Yeag

[dusty helm]

hopefully thats a bug that gets ironed out

[terse idol]

I mean thats not a break point

[dusty helm]

and volatile isn't helping

[sharp ember]

but also DO NOT overthink this charge rate bs, you aren't gonna miss a breakpoint by that close

[terse idol]

Having 80CR however isn't gonna make your charge feel any faster

[flat pebble]

79 is perfectly fine

[terse idol]

Okay whew

Me as I spread

False information

[flat pebble]

it happens

people have a lot of misconceptions about the degree of difference and how many peaks the charge time has

[dusty helm]

so for just comfyness, swapvolatile to gets hot, and 8% specialists to 25% unarmored?

[terse idol]

But having a "wrong" CR isn't gonna kill the breakpoints on your pgun

Is what I should focus on

10 damage hasn't yet mattered

[flat pebble]

i would definitely do that and swap to maniac or flak if you find that more suitable for your playstyle

[flat pebble]

exactly

i dump stat charge time tbh i’m sick of thinking about it

plasma has enough problems to roll against

[sharp ember]

that's good, are you taking exe stance or other?

[dusty helm]

exe stance

zealots my main so when I hop on vet its to shoot gun good

[terse idol]

Having really low CR might hurt and make it feel clunky but I don't think maxing CR is gonna give you a one up compared to someone with 70%

[serene bough]

i didnt think people still ran exe stance

[terse idol]

TR MATTERS MORE

[flat pebble]

you can try shout with ping if you want to, plasma does good by itself not that it isn’t good with stance

[terse idol]

You want maxed TR

For one extra left click shot

[serene bough]

maxed turtle rockets

[terse idol]

And maybe 1 extra charged shot but I forgor

[dusty helm]

i might try shout with ping

but turtling walking around with plas has been very funy

[terse idol]

Shout with ping is solid

I run it a toon

[flat pebble]

i focus on 78+/78+ damage and stopping with thermal resistance hopefully high and in general high base roll, then check the chart to see if i didn’t get one of the dogshit charge times

[terse idol]

😌

[quaint valve]

So here i should swap volatile for anything else since 80 CR is already fine correct?

[flat pebble]

i would do volatile to gets hot yeah

shattering impact frankly not doing a whole lot either but it will debuff bosses real good

and crushers if you somehow are having difficulty seal the deal on them

[jolly cave]

If you have the mats, you could try testing flak damage to see if that gets you any breakpoints

If it doesn't, probably swap out shattering impact

[flat pebble]

it might barely be scab gunner headshot breakpoint it might not

8% elite might help

[sharp ember]

can someone with a plasma gun check if volatile still has a positive interaction with charge rate greater than 73

[junior needle]

Tested the vraks headhunters as fellow "shit against maniacs" guns for comparison to the recons. Despite being finesse/headshot oriented weapons, they matched (vraks 3 at 621 maniac dps) or exceeded (733 for vraks 7) the best recon performance on bodyshots.

Not sure why the healthbar bugged out there in the vraks 7 clip, but if you pause it at the right time you can see 733.

[brazen bay]

Can some recommend a good lasgun build? I like my lasguns but they seem to really be lagging behind plasma and revolvers

[junior needle]

Plasma and revolver are just nutty so you won't be getting that kind of performance due to target penetration. What lasgun were you wanting to use?

[frank ether]

dont think this method of testing is very fair to vraks as most of its damage come from blessings

[jolly cave]

Infantry lasgun?

[junior needle]

It's not at all because of bodyshots either, and it still outperforms recons

[brazen bay]

I like the infantry last gun and the mark 12

[frank ether]

yeah I mean... just wanted to say this is like worst case scenario for vraks guns lol

I dont think recon does all that better with headshots

but vraks is night and day

[junior needle]

Recons have quite low finesse damage, you're 100% correct

[inner imp]

infantry 1a eat goods.

[flat pebble]

vraks 7 is so wildly dependent on having a good overall roll i kinda agree on that point

[inner imp]

12 doesnt feel so good anymore, but that just my opinion

[jolly cave]

I can give you my build for mk XII lasgun, but it fits a different role than the plasma and revolver. Both the latter two are really god at killing any elite including crusher, but most of the game I use my melee. If I'm using my infantry lasgun, I will shoot anything and everything besides crushers.

[flat pebble]

im not super familiar with recon lasgun comparative peaks though

[untold mulch]

I heard is 1.4x when other lasguns is 2.25x?

Recon peaks is when it stops valley'ing

[frank ether]

they still make ok deadshot guns.. or well, they used to. Before the nerfs.

having functional hipfire

kinda means deadshot stam tax is irrelevant

cause you can just... hipfire and conserve stam

[flat pebble]

“relative” used super duper intentionally here

[untold mulch]

Fair enough

[flat pebble]

or comparative

[brazen bay]

Oh if you don't mind sharing the infantry lasgun that would be great

[flat pebble]

whatever

[junior needle]

Sounds about right. Lemme find my numbers for comparison.

I wrote it in a post somewhere

[untold mulch]

I heard it today

[frank ether]

whats the number for braced autos btw

[flat pebble]

soldier sex number out here crunching the diggies

[untold mulch]

Pulling the hard math

[flat pebble]

believe it or not, also the sex number

[frank ether]

seggs

vet chat going wild today

[flat pebble]

i learned in reading eisenhorn that if a mutant said eggs it could be s’eggs

[frank ether]

I have gone and used plasteel on trash

[quaint valve]

Whats the better choice here. First one aim to swap volatile with gets hot. Second one maybe drop shattering for gets hot and unarmored for flak?

[flat pebble]

them twists and their slang

[quaint valve]

it'll get buffed and be amazing one day. happened to my chainsword

[flat pebble]

check to see if with unarmored secures the dreg gunner bp on the right pls

[midnight mortar]

Check it out, a 5 minute Hab Dreyko.

[quaint valve]

thats right forgot about that, so perks may be ok

[frank ether]

thats kinda the idea I got a few high stat chaxes so I thought I might aswell let hadron have her way with em

[flat pebble]

might be totally fine is my hope yeah

[midnight mortar]

Shield Ogryn that decided to just plant in a mixed horde and die immediately.

[junior needle]

Thing is, while you do have good hipfire, you barely get any uptime on target killing with them because they blow your stamina super fast.

It's better now that deadshot is flat and not % based, but you also need to consider lost damage from missing shots from hipfiring (it's not as good as ads) and the fact you blow through it all in either less than a second (depending on model) or about 2 seconds with serious stamina investment from curios.

So all you're getting some a bit more value against maybe one or two targets.

[quaint valve]

is the first Plasma still better than the second though? They have good CR stats

[flat pebble]

you just wouldn’t get it

[midnight mortar]

Ah the funni joke.

[flat pebble]

there’s so much going on with plasma stats without being in your game testing breakpoints it’s really hard to give what i feel like is the most accurate advice

[untold mulch]

It made some sense in patch 13 because shocktrooper would basically mean that that second or two was free ammo shot

[flat pebble]

you really wanna see how the plasma perform against every elite and special in the meat grinder first to get a feel for what they could use

[quaint valve]

This is exactly my thought, my dummy brain is having a hard time figuring out plasma haha. All good though thanks anyway

[flat pebble]

but i think the right might be the best if the perks prove ok, and you can go blaze away gets hot

[frank ether]

yeah I'm aware its not amazing, but not entirely terrible either. I feel the same way about brrauto deadshot, only reason I'm not doing it is because I'm fully convinced bracing is a scam

[junior needle]

It still is in fairness, but now and then it comes at the cost of personal safety. Assuming one actually blocks.

[frank ether]

If recon was back to being good, I would go do deadshot recon because I just can

[untold mulch]

We will know next week

but I keep my hopes underground

[naive hatch]

I'm a Lasgun wh*re, I wanna shoot all the ranged enemies AND specials.

[frank ether]

I just think deadshot adds that bit of quirky goodness to shout/infil builds

[flat pebble]

no it’s definitely one of the weapons with the most going on stats wise so it’s understandable

[untold mulch]

Only now I have gotten used to blocking

In general I dodged

[frank ether]

(perks were shit)

[junior needle]

If you don't actually block very often it's not the worst option now since the alternative is weakspot damage. Before it was competing with exhilarating takedown, although that was bugged so I guess it was the better option there after all.

[atomic zephyr]

joined an auric histg in progress, struggled to the end, found out there were NINE DEATHS

[flat pebble]

unyielding is also really good for bosses and ogryn, if you want something that you use more against them the left has a justifiable spot with shattering impact. i really just stress that because you’re securing almost every kill between 1-3 shots on a mechanical level brittle isn’t actually doing a whole lot

[jolly cave]

You might want to tweak what I shared to move around some tallents, but this works for me really well. Keep in mind, all of it is subject to change with the updated vet tree.

[flat pebble]

but when you’re magdumping into something like a boss that’s a different situation. and you have unyielding already!

[frank ether]

I dont block too often yea. Though I feel like thats still kinda fine for the mid/right keystones

I invest into their stamina returns

[flat pebble]

block is simply the door to block push

[frank ether]

kinda depends on what melee you use tbh

[atomic zephyr]

brunt casually selling me this banger

[frank ether]

some dont really have great push attacks

others have meta defining ones

[atomic zephyr]

is mk1 lucius even good

[terse idol]

stability

[frank ether]

and then you have... whatever the hell chainaxe is

[flat pebble]

i’d sooner dodge than block on those kinds of weapons anyway, unless i’m blocking a an unexpected cheap shot

[junior needle]

I did the maffs previously.

Recons: 1.6~ base headshot modifier
laspistol: 2.67~
infantry lasguns: 2.44~
IAG: 2.62~

Recons: 1.46~ base crit modifier
laspistol: 2.26~
infantry lasguns: 1.72
IAG: 2.22~

[flat pebble]

i was just memein tho

[untold mulch]

this tbh

[terse idol]

Folks do say that the m1 and m2 are good

[frank ether]

dodge weaving is ideal

block is more of a last resort

[flat pebble]

sure it’s a higher damage mk2 with the same special

[atomic zephyr]

i have a great mk2 and mk3 already which is why im unsure dropping plasteel on it

[untold mulch]

Recons only eat shit don't they

[atomic zephyr]

eh fuck it, lets get the collection.

[flat pebble]

i haven’t tried it out yet to have a solid opinion about it

but that’s as i understand it how it separates itself

[atomic zephyr]

aaaand hadron bricked it

[frank ether]

its so very good

build one like this

[flat pebble]

oh that’s pretty

[frank ether]

its such a sweet gun

[flat pebble]

how much slower in handling is it?

[frank ether]

perfect middle ground between mk2 and 3

[atomic zephyr]

but yeah that mk1 is fucked

[flat pebble]

assuming the gun handling speed is linear to some degree from mk 2>1>3

[frank ether]

1 is the middle variant but its not that slow

[flat pebble]

does it feel like it’s acceptable handling to you

[junior needle]

Low modifiers AND low base, so yes!

[flat pebble]

that’s that biggest reason i don’t use the mk3

[terse idol]

I played 3 again and... it's just too clunky

I thought I could get back into it and wow that is not easy anymore

[untold mulch]

If it had at least silly amount of ammo, it would have a niche

but Fatshark doesn't want that for some reason

[flat pebble]

like what’s your honest take on its handling/readying im just trying to gather takes

[atomic zephyr]

oh yeah, would a mk2 do well with a focus target build?

yeah, mk3 is really hard to use

[frank ether]

I'll show and you can decide, one sec

[terse idol]

Uh, I can only speak of like the charge rate and follow up shots feeling very clunky so the handling is poor imo

[flat pebble]

i fear it might be hard to get a sense without being the one using inputs

[atomic zephyr]

i dont even like my mk3 and its my best rolled weapon

[hollow turtle]

Decent.

It's okay, my best rolled weapon is a bleed knife.

[flat pebble]

i just wish the mk3 had the good bayonet stab. the only struggle is that swapping to and from melee sucks, if i could adequately use the bayonet it would solve its own problem

but obviously i can see that as potentially an intentional design choice

[junior needle]

One of the playtesters said there will be a good build for them next patch, which implies favorable talent and/or blessing changes, if not baseline changes.

I have low expectations

[hollow turtle]

Bayonet definitely intended to push single targets back so you don't deal with that weapon swap animation. For the Mk III though?

[flat pebble]

push em back? they’re dead son

[untold mulch]

Yeah, sadly a playtester said in patch 14 that it wasn't gonna be nerfed so much

and here we are

soooo, yeah

[junior needle]

Hence the low expectations

[hollow turtle]

Well at least push them back if they don't die upon hit.

[midnight mortar]

Yeah by pushing them back into the Warp where their souls belong.

[untold mulch]

Yep

[hollow turtle]

I would've settled for a butt stock whack over the bayonet swing.

[midnight mortar]

I think most playtesters are biased towards the run and gun melee playstyles and so just aren't used to the nuances of some ranged weapons.

[flat pebble]

for the mk3 specifically?

[hollow turtle]

Yeah.

[south garnet]

I am glad recon las got dumped on and I hope they never fix it ever on purpose, because seeing people use it has made me irrationally displeased since I first saw one

[midnight mortar]

That'd explain why the VId was nerfed the way it was.

[south garnet]

fire hose is NOT a real gun and I REFUSE to look at it

[flat pebble]

how do you feel about the actual fire hoses

[hollow turtle]

Define "fire hose"

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-burn-wargame-fantasy-burning-gif-16670316

[junior needle]

Crab said the recons were supposed to get positive changes as part of a balance rework in addition to those negative ones, but only the negatives got shipped and he was like ????

[untold mulch]

Nah, to be completely fair, Crab specifically said they pushed changes he didn't expect was for that version

Though to your point, I wouldn't be surprised if the playtesters playstyles are actually affecting the ranged part too much

[midnight mortar]

Ah yeah, I meant for testers other than Crab but yes.

[untold mulch]

Fear it

[south garnet]

I have no strong feelings on fire or hoses, individually or separately

[untold mulch]

[fresh saddle]

i love my Mark 2 with Focus Target build

fast firing, and get the damage stacks on top of it

[flat pebble]

on a structural level your original statement makes less sense and i can only say i respect that and i wish for your prolonged success

[hollow turtle]

Lol it's obvious when someone actually falls for the "Make your tag button the same as your fire button."

[untold mulch]

Though it makes me question

If you have the playstesters playtesting shit

Why the fuck, Fatshark, are you pushing changes you didn't let them play?

[hollow turtle]

Because you'll just hear the endless tag ping in a crowd of shotgunners

[versed merlin]

angery

[flat pebble]

god such a self report

PING PING PING PING

[versed merlin]

i swear

[hollow turtle]

Its even worse because you even KNOW they're using the autofire or autoswing mod.

[flat pebble]

use another mousekey you dingleberry

[versed merlin]

every 10 matches i get at least one of these dude in 2 of them

[frank ether]

@flat pebble

[versed merlin]

i make sure to block every player that does this, but they seem to multiplicate

[south garnet]

not even gonna be mad if I see someone with full auto mod binding ping to lmb

[flat pebble]

i ran out of blocks long ago

[untold mulch]

I have yet to find a player that obviously has added tag to fire

[flat pebble]

im living in the game raw now

[south garnet]

there's just doing annoying shit, and then there's making a STATEMENT

[versed merlin]

wait theres a limit to how many players you can block????

[untold mulch]

50?

[versed merlin]

dang

thats bullshit

im almost hitting that number

[hollow turtle]

Lol. Its one way to grab their team's attention to target, albeit annoying.

[versed merlin]

why would they limit it?

[untold mulch]

I only have one dude blocked in my hours

and because he was an actual idiot, and clearly high

In a maelstrom

fuck off

[south garnet]

I haven't blocked anyone

[versed merlin]

i usually block dumbfucks that rush ahead and die like stupid

[flat pebble]

i blocked people all the time because at the lowest pop numbers you’d rejoin into your departed game all the fucking time

[versed merlin]

or people who spam ping

[flat pebble]

so if you left because of a person bottomfragging unless you blocked them the game would just 75% of the time rejoin you unless you waited to queue for like 5 minutes

[versed merlin]

and as you can see, i have plenty blocked already

[south garnet]

If someone's just annoying over voice or their mic pisses me off I just mute - if I have a problem with them personally I hash it out like the old days with insults, diminutives/pejoratives, and kick votes in particularly desperate scenarios

[untold mulch]

I keep blocking for the extreme situation

this mf was useless, was talking french the entire match in his mic in a loud voice, actively wasting ammo on my friend back

[hollow turtle]

I've had to block many. Some were foreign players definitely playing in the wrong zone. Fricking ping 2000 basically lagged out mid match, but not actually disconnected so they're just standing on the staircase mid horde.
Most other players I blocked outside of that were either toxic calling team crap when they are literally the lowest on the scoreboard. (I make sure to point it out before they leave the match).
And then after that is a few zealot players that tend to leave you behind and then crap on you when you can't keep up or the match is lost.

[midnight mortar]

I found out early the block list only has room for 20 players.

Don't know why Fatshark designed it that way.

[versed merlin]

french

[frank ether]

I lagged out a few times before due to servers crapping out on me

I have low ping normally

but sometimes fartshart moment happens

[flat pebble]

my guess is it could potentially turn into a lot of information held indefinitely in their servers

or some such programming silliness

[midnight mortar]

Surely it can't be as much as the previous missions tab.

[south garnet]

there are a lot of chinese dudes on my servers. they're mostly really good/cooperative players honestly

[versed merlin]

or they want to prevent you from not being able to match with anyone idk

[flat pebble]

maybe it was for a matchmaking health thing 🤷🏻‍♂️

[south garnet]

which... to say it's surprising sounds racist probably, but I mean relative to other game experiences - ones subject to hacking, mining, trade exploits, etc.

[midnight mortar]

Depends on the game.

[south garnet]

Ones where nefarious individuals basically built little slave empires to take advantage of the american market

[midnight mortar]

Starship Troopers Extermination was filled with Chinese hackers.

[flat pebble]

wesley confirmed bigot

[hollow turtle]

Unfortunately, I've had a 50/50 expeience with the chinese players. I know they're good though they can't communicate. It's the ones that for whatever reason died, and for every time you revive them, they just stand there going to die again.

[flat pebble]

self professed, said he knew it and said he was okay with it

[south garnet]

AAGH MY MASK

[south garnet]

The new prerelease one? That's a bummer

[flat pebble]

welcome to the 40k fan base family

[hollow turtle]

Lol.

[midnight mortar]

Any game that has friendly fire and the capability for segregation within an allied faction will see Chinese players form their own hostile subgroup towards outsiders and actively grief anyone.

[hollow turtle]

"Welcome to the inquisition."

[flat pebble]

based and chinese pilled

[south garnet]

Ethnic divides do be like dat

[midnight mortar]

But DT is just your squad versus enemies with the goal being to complete the mission.

And no friendly fire.

[south garnet]

Really cultural more than ethnic, but yea

[hollow turtle]

I don't get it. So why are the EU and Asia players on the US servers?

[flat pebble]

they’re just trying to make sure they’re not playing with japanese people

[rancid echo]

taiwan #1 baby

[midnight mortar]

Yeah, they're trying to tamp down on it, but it's not as successful as it needs to be.

[hollow turtle]

Auto matchmaking?

[south garnet]

I assume FS just has limited servers

[south garnet]

these guys are incredibly based

[midnight mortar]

Definitely not.

[hollow turtle]

I've assumed that when you can't find a match after a certain time, it starts to expand search for active lobbies to other regions.

[south garnet]

Hm

[tall torrent]

Have they ever released a skin for helbore lasguns in the cash shop?

[flat pebble]

i’ve played with people from EU on american servers who were usually between 4-6 seconds in the past

[hollow turtle]

I do miss VT2 matchmaking system a bit. It was more in depth. Showing region flag in ongoing lobbies and including the option if you wanted to join active missions when searching.

[midnight mortar]

No, not yet.

[midnight mortar]

Time travel real...

[hollow turtle]

Kind of prefer joining missions that haven't started yet. That way I know I'm not replacing a bot from a mission failed lobby.

[untold mulch]

warp is affecting the materium

[flat pebble]

no and i count us lucky the ornaments in the store replace the mk2 bayonet with a knife and not a pointy metal stick

[rancid echo]

i love joining in progress missions in Deeprock when all hell is breaking loose

darktide not so much

[hollow turtle]

But I like the pointy metal stick.

[south garnet]

I like coming in mid match because I get to either be the hero or just have the loss not be my fault whatsoever. I'm like a dimensional traveler

[tall torrent]

I’m just kinda tired of the blue stripe camo

[flat pebble]

luckily i don’t want to and probably can’t do anything about this

[untold mulch]

The clutch feel

[south garnet]

Also it's nice having a match be 1/2 or 1/4 the length and still coming out with a padded wallet lol

[untold mulch]

Outnumbered and Outgunned

but not Outmatched

[hollow turtle]

Lol spawns in with all your krak nades ready just as the team is getting a bully beatdown by a party of crushers.

[flat pebble]

sometimes i lose immediately on joining an in progress and get 40 plasteel and i’m like. i’m making money moves

[south garnet]

fortunate son starts playing

[flat pebble]

yeah that and the red is very underwhelming. i wished they refreshed the ordos weapon skins as well

[south garnet]

Fuck this is so accurate, goddamn. Trading options is like this kek

[untold mulch]

Stonks

[flat pebble]

o7 later losers i’m making moolah

[karmic kite]

Remember all you Sahs make sure you get your Ogryn a gift for Emprahsmas don’t want em to feel unappreciated now do ya boss

[untold mulch]

I want to give them a Multilas

Lads need the gift of Emperor to the Guard

[viral nacelle]

How about a las blast in the ass?

[serene sage]

im good. i hate em

[south garnet]

if I wanted my ass blasted I'd visit hadron

[viral nacelle]

Hardon gives never takes it is so

[hollow turtle]

Hmm. An Ogryn that knows its value on the field such that they use it as a blackmail bargaining chip to ensure you don't get into an accident in the field...

[untold mulch]

She takes wdym

SHE TAKES ALL MY PLASTEEL

AND GIVES ME NOTHING IN RETURN

[karmic kite]

Just like in real life

[untold mulch]

[karmic kite]

👉😎👉

[midnight mortar]

She gives you a lesson.

[hollow turtle]

Lol

Hadron. If you're going to screw me over at least pull my hair.

[untold mulch]

Imma teach her what the Loyalists learned in Isstvan III if she keeps trying my patience

[serene sage]

there's this subtle but distinct Slaneesh flavor in this sub

like once in a while it flares up and just as suddenly, it disappears

[hollow turtle]

[flat pebble]

accidentally went into zealot chat and was confused why it was dead

someone made an ogryn themed twas the night before christmas in there

it’s quite long

[vague elm]

Which autogun is best to carry through classes?

[karmic kite]

Hey that was me

[hollow turtle]

That's a big question. I prefer the Agri Mk I, but I think the meta right now is the columnus

[karmic kite]

I’m famous!

[vague elm]

the V?

[flat pebble]

they’re all in a very good spot, columnus is largely considered the best iag rn

[vague elm]

iag?

[hollow turtle]

Infantry Auto Gun

[rancid echo]

what is colunus good for exactly and with what build?

i havent liked any of the full auto guns so far

is it for the stealth build?

[junior needle]

Absolutely insane dps

It fits into basically anything you want

[rancid echo]

isnt it pretty ammo inefficient?

[flat pebble]

it’s very easy to be ammo inefficient with it

[junior needle]

But if you hit your shots, it's pretty good on that end. You can go ammo neutral or positive on specials.

With survivalist that is

[rancid echo]

what do you guys pair it with for melee?

[flat pebble]

it really depends on what you want to do with both of your weapons

vet is able to do quite a lot with the columnus with the right build

[rancid echo]

can columnus even handle carapace enemies and maniacs quick enough?

[flat pebble]

well you already saw it handle a manic

[vital saddle]

gettting real tired of hardon doing this

[junior needle]

All autoguns do shit damage to carapace but you can alleviate that with onslaught (talent)

[flat pebble]

and it can handle carapace with rending support in your build

[vital saddle]

its already 1 foot in the grave

[rancid echo]

messing your damage rolls gives him a hardon

[vital saddle]

bro u cant make this shit up

[rancid echo]

cool, thanks

[vital saddle]

its a fucking 380 weapon hadron

[junior needle]

The sicknasty damage dumpstat

[vital saddle]

despite the point tho when hadron rolls 2 tier 2 perks on it

[junior needle]

"I hope you are pleased, varlet."

[misty quest]

Columnus slaps in close range

You go brrt and clear out and entire room of gunners

[vital saddle]

ive rolled like 8 370+ devils now and every time shes fucked the perks with tier 2 perks or wack blessing like vicious slice or whatever

3 of those were 380s as well

[unreal bone]

Wowie I rolled 2 Tier IV blessings on this thing.

[vital saddle]

shame u dont want shattering tho xD

[unreal bone]

I can replace it.

What enemies count as infested btw?

[vital saddle]

dogs pox burster

pretty much

[junior needle]

So basically nothing important

[unreal bone]

I wish the meat grinder worked.

[vital saddle]

u want mutant + elite

[unreal bone]

You can't even access the meat grinder reee

[junior needle]

I'm grindin my meat right now, what's the problem?

[sharp ember]

i want plaguebearer daemons to beef up the Infested category

[unreal bone]

Damn It finally let me in

[vital saddle]

but then u gotta love without blaze away xD

[unreal bone]

It's so finnicky now the servitor skull you have to talk to

[terse idol]

it's actually really good with ammo

[frank ether]

very obnoxious

[unreal bone]

I mean I could leave ranged weak spot damage couldn't I?

[flat pebble]

btw @rancid echo are you familiar with the tank infinite ranged attacks by sprinting thing you can do

[frank ether]

none of them even bother to speak in a common language

[rancid echo]

the wot

please teach

[vital saddle]

i personally wouldnt imo considering u can 1 tap everything outside of crusher with marks and no blaze away stacks with mutant + elite

[flat pebble]

stripped down+the talent that gives back stam on dodging ranged attacks gives back stam that fuels stripped down

[unreal bone]

I don't use marks

I use the shout

[flat pebble]

i think you might need stam support on the gun/build/curios tho i’ve never built it myself

[junior needle]

You don't explicitly need stripped down, but stripped makes it omnidirectional and not just to your sides.

[unreal bone]

So can I not salvage this thing?

[vital saddle]

with plaz u go shout + focus target with weakpoint dmg on the side

and proceed to delete shit infront of u

[unreal bone]

I think I can salvage it though can't I?

Lemme show you my current plasma gun

[vital saddle]

u honestly wont loose that many breakpoints without blaze away

[rancid echo]

kinda cool interaction i havent seen stripped down on any gun yet though

[terse idol]

Uh, I think your TR is too low

It might not be salvagable

[vital saddle]

i run 60 TR its fine

[unreal bone]

These are my two plasma gun options.

[vague elm]

@vital saddle how much did you spend on rolls?

[terse idol]

But you could stick Blaze it, and Unarmoured on it

[vital saddle]

like 1.2mill

[vague elm]

goddamn

[flat pebble]

the fun thing here is 53 charge time is exactly 100% damage

[unreal bone]

Unarmored over what?

[terse idol]

Infested

[flat pebble]

you aren’t getting a buff or a nerf over that charge time stat

[civic knot]

best blessings/perks?

[terse idol]

At least imo

Or maniac

[unreal bone]

What does unarmored affect?

does it affect EVERY enemy that isn't flak or carapace?

[flat pebble]

dreg gunners baybeeee

[unreal bone]

So it's only gunners?

[flat pebble]

no

[terse idol]

It's still pretty bad regarding actually having multiple charged shots, and you're definetly not getting 9 left clicks shots on 60

I would almost say you may only get 7....

[vital saddle]

u wanna stay high heat anyway for crits

so it doesnt really matter

[flat pebble]

unarmored is unarmored that’s not otherwise obviously infested, unyielding or maniac

[terse idol]

I mean it does

BEcause it means you have more shots

At least imo

[flat pebble]

unarmored is just mostly relevant to the plasma gun for dreg gunners

[vital saddle]

shoot vent shoot vent shoot vent

ez pz

[unreal bone]

So Reapers heads are unarmored

aren't they?

[terse idol]

Why vent when you can just get a better roll

Sorry being Cheeky

[flat pebble]

don’t even need to vent the plasma gun

just stay left clicking and your character automatically vents at 100%

[unreal bone]

Or does reaper not count as unarmored cause it's unyielding?

[flat pebble]

this yeah

[vital saddle]

doesnt need to vent proceeds to use auto vent

[unreal bone]

So reapers are not unarmored ah

[flat pebble]

doesn’t need to intentionally vent

[vital saddle]

which can sometimes fuck up and blow u up anyway no thanks

[terse idol]

what no

I mean

Maybe if you got 60% tr

But I've never blew up on left click

[civic knot]

Which blessing to earn?

[vital saddle]

rarely happens but ive had it happen once or twice

[terse idol]

It will vent before

[vague elm]

Slaughterer

[unreal bone]

I'd say go for the tierIV one

[flat pebble]

you don’t need to shoot vent shoot vent because at 100% you auto vent and get two shots off each auto vent. as opposed to what you described which is shooting once and manually reventing

[vital saddle]

so i prefer to use manual vent its basically no different

[terse idol]

TR is an important stat for pgun anywho

[flat pebble]

if you don’t touch right click you’ll literally never blow up. ever. literally ever

[terse idol]

How do I save this thing
got it from melk but it's already abit better than my old shovel

Carapace?

[civic knot]

What are the best blessings on mk VI power sword?

[unreal bone]

So should I put blaze away and unarmored over infested on this thing?

[vague elm]

Power cycler

[flat pebble]

it’s literally double the damage per vent as what you just described

[civic knot]

yes and the other one? slaughterer?

[flat pebble]

this is potentially really helpful advice you’re refusing because you’re being stubborn lol

[vital saddle]

considering ur other one is better i see no reason to not just put maniac and elite dmg on it and use it as a brittleness padder

[flat pebble]

it’s a 100% consistent plasma interaction

[vague elm]

I think its pretty good yea

[unreal bone]

Cause I only want one plasma gun. 🤷‍♂️

[vital saddle]

cuz bugs are not a thing ok dude why u just being a twat

then just keep ur other one its better

[flat pebble]

not sure how misclicking right click is a bug

[vital saddle]

how can i miss click something that is not bound to click function

[flat pebble]

don’t charge shot, don’t blow up.

it’s literally that simple

[frank ether]

so the curio gunner/sniper resist stats, they are not additive right?

[vital saddle]

are u really this ignorant or just a full time dick

no charge shot was done it blew me up

[flat pebble]

explain to me how charge shot is not bound to a click function

[vital saddle]

once or twice

[flat pebble]

it’s bound to mouse 2

[vital saddle]

my ads is a side button

which is almost impossible to miss click

[flat pebble]

“it’s not bound to a click function” “it’s bound to this click function”

alright man we had a nice talk i hope you enjoy the rest of your day

[vital saddle]

my guy u really picking at semantics

im just block u

[vague elm]

anyone know how to find my id

[flat pebble]

semantics is when you take someone’s words as specifically chosen

do it idgaf

[vital saddle]

litterally nothing but argumentive shit comes out ur mouth picking at litterally everything when it clearly was a bug

[terse idol]

I mean

Man

I dunno maybe it's because of the 60% TR

We can test it

No use busting balls over it

[vital saddle]

was like 2-3 patches ago

[terse idol]

All we're saying
TR is really important

[vital saddle]

it happened

[terse idol]

Of a stat on a pgun

[vital saddle]

that isnt what he was saying at all

[flat pebble]

oh so it’s not something relevant at all rn anymore cool

[vital saddle]

he was just saying auto vent stops it period thats it

[flat pebble]

so when you were giving advice you were basing it on an bug patched two patches ago

[terse idol]

Well yeah, but it was patched so

[flat pebble]

like am i insane here

[terse idol]

So like the logical conclusion is it might have a bad interaction by having a low TR, but I haven't heard anyone blow up from left clicking

Until nooow

[vital saddle]

was during first week of patch and i just manual vent is all i said i manual vent cuz i just dont trust it

[untold mulch]

Did a quick match on maelstrom

a clueless vet, one learning and a Zealot that had an oops moment

end match, they tell me good carry

Dopamine hit

[flat pebble]

you told someone else to do something, you weren’t explaining your own experience

[untold mulch]

this is the good shit

[vital saddle]

same as when playing pysker when on 85% peril and u dont cast on 85% cuz of one miss click on ur likely dead after the cast

[midnight mortar]

I think they were just covering for the fact they didn't know it was patched.

[terse idol]

But then yeah, you're still basing your experience off a bug on the first week, not trusting it is fine, you can't apply that to people learning the pgun now

[flat pebble]

i mean they clearly just move the goal posts when they’re wrong i called them out for a clear example of it like a half hour ago

[midnight mortar]

And rather than just admit to something that didn't really matter, they needed to shore up.

[flat pebble]

it’s whatever

darktide discord be like that sometimes

[midnight mortar]

That's weakness. I don't do weak.

[vital saddle]

no comment i said stated that you needed to vent i said "shoot vent shoot vent"

[terse idol]

That's just not optimal

We're speaking of like

[rancid echo]

what do you guys use for your crouch/slide button?

[terse idol]

Why it's good to have high TR

[rancid echo]

i switched to C but its so hard to slide dodge to the right

[flat pebble]

“i refuse to do double the damage”

and he’s giving advice

[vital saddle]

considering it can be applied to the auto vent feature what am i missing hear all i said below that was i preferd to manual vent

[terse idol]

Nobody in their right mind when you teach someone to use the Pgun now to shoot then vent and then shoot then vent, this is why I do live by my statement that TR is very important to not dump

[flat pebble]

i’ve just kept it on control

[terse idol]

Okay that's okay

If you prefer to manual vent

[vital saddle]

with 60 TR is typically shoot vent shoot vent

[terse idol]

From the stats side, it's just like not good to dump vent

Is all I'm saying

[flat pebble]

i’ve heard people like moving dodge to alt though

[terse idol]

Yes

But that's not good

[flat pebble]

to prevent accidental jumps

[terse idol]

Because with 80% TR

I can do

Shoot, shoot, shoot, Shoot, shoot, shoot, Shoot, shoot, shoot,

Then it auto vents

Or I vent it

From 100% heat

[midnight mortar]

The point is that everyone here was aware of the built in auto vent safety feature packaged into pressing M1 on a plasma gun.

[terse idol]

With 60% you are missing out if you're taking seconds to vent after every shot

[midnight mortar]

This allows you to build far higher than 60%.

[vital saddle]

im ofc refering to the function of the weapon why are people reading way too much into it when using gets hot ur gunna be on the highest amount of heat then ur saying ur not make ur mind up

[midnight mortar]

At minimal to no risk to yourself.

[vital saddle]

just changing this shit each and every way you type something now to make my comment wrong

[midnight mortar]

You're the one presenting your proposed pattern of shooting as advice for optimal plasma gun usage.

[radiant cargo]

for sanity's sake, does the damage for focus target ("... to take 4% additional damage...") apply to everyone's attacks, or just the veteran that tagged it?

[vague elm]

I changed jump to w+space

[rancid echo]

i'm not, please explain

[flat pebble]

yeah man we are all doing that and it’s totally not you specifically

[terse idol]

I mean you use both Blaze it and get's hot to make the most damage out of having multiple shots 🥹

[radiant cargo]

it feels phrased like a universal thing

[terse idol]

And Blaze it caps out at 50%

Or err

[vital saddle]

in no way did i says that was how its optimally used why u guy reading way to much into a comment christ

[solar sky]

New Plasma Executioner's stance guide is done! Check it out if you've been struggling to make executioners stance work. It's very strong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9eZvouAsos

[terse idol]

Sorry using

Get's hot

Maxes out at 50%

[cursive axle]

Effects everyone I think mate 🤙

[terse idol]

So you'll still be doing more damage and getting more value

[flat pebble]

then why are you intentionally giving suboptimal advice with no further qualifications or explanations why

[terse idol]

Of having more shots

When you're above 50% head

Because you'll have more shots past 50% heat

If you hit that limit Quick

[radiant cargo]

Mother of God Emperor.

[terse idol]

Sure you'll get the crits faster

[midnight mortar]

Then what's your point? "Here's a way you can shoot the plasma gun"? A way that is not helpful to anyone and unnecessary, but I'm just going to say it anyway? Of course people are going to ask you about your intent.

[terse idol]

But you'll have less overal shots

[flat pebble]

the guy is so desperate for everyone else to be wrong and stupid

[terse idol]

So your DPS will decrease

Ah go easy Tyler

Let's go easy y'all

Ah man

It's just the logic doesn't apply, Even get's hot get's BETTER when you have more shots

[midnight mortar]

If you attempt to fire your plasma gun with your primary (non-charged) fire and would explode, it won't fire and will simply begin venting.

[terse idol]

Because it's stil 50%

[flat pebble]

i’m gonna call a spade a spade, besides he already blocked me

[terse idol]

So not all of your shots are gonna be crits

So you want MORE shots

to get more crits

Not less shots to get to 50% faster

[vital saddle]

so because i didnt state a 60TR plasma function at high heat to shoot shoot vent im getting put on blast for it for what was simple remark of not putting auto vent assuming people would just two and two together.

[cursive axle]

Lotta times if I'm busy doing something else I'll just tag a hefty target and go back to what I was doing while the team insta kills it. It's great

[terse idol]

No I just ah, I just felt like when you said that when someone was speaking about how to make their pgun better it felt like you were implying that having 60% TR on a pgun was okay

TR is not a dump stat is probably the whole crux of this whooole arugment

We should leave it at that

[radiant cargo]

I tag stuff like I get bonus points for it, so this will be right up my ally

lol

[terse idol]

That's okay, if you play by manual venting

But TR is not a dump stat

That's it

[midnight mortar]

Someone brings up a topic about how to make their plasma gun better and you state what you said. The implication there is the discussion is now about ways to optimize plasma gun performance.

[rancid echo]

but does it prevent you from shooting during the vent? i feel like i've blown myself up before spamming m1s

[midnight mortar]

In the realm of how to best use a plasma gun, yes what you proposed was wrong.

[rancid echo]

or is only the big charge fire that overheats

[vital saddle]

he ask for roll to save and i said there wasn't one whats ur point here

[terse idol]

If the bug is gone

[rancid echo]

which ones the best dump stat?

[terse idol]

Right click will only blow you up

[vital saddle]

as his was better

[versed merlin]

just got this from the emperor. what should i do?

[terse idol]

If you shoot at or near that 90~-100%

[terse idol]

Uhhh

[flat pebble]

if you are only left clicking you should not - the intended mechanics of the game are that you never blow up. left clicking, your character should always auto vent. explosions only occur when you at overheat and charge

[midnight mortar]

The only way you can explode now is by charging.

You can test this in the psykhanium.

[flat pebble]

imo charge time is the closest it gets to a dump stat if you know that there are peaks and that you just want to be next to one. but that is a very debatable question

the plasma gun really likes having every single one of its stats

[terse idol]

You could dump a little bit of Charge rate (Because charge rate at 80% isn't gonna feel different)

But very low charge rate will hurt it

[slow spade]

0% charge rate is optimal because real vets would have unbound their block key 😎😎😎

[terse idol]

If we really want to get into the nitty gritty too yeah, maybe ammo, but dumping ammo means your ammo pickups will be less

[flat pebble]

yeah ammo if you know what you’re getting into is ok too

[vital saddle]

I dumped TR as it still means u get 2 shots at high heat AKA 100% = 80% after auto vent = 2 shots at 60% TR happy now fully explained my self cunts

[rancid echo]

this is the one I have atm

[flat pebble]

but it can be a total difference of like near 60 total shots between the reserve and the mag iirc

[midnight mortar]

Incredible.

[terse idol]

That's fine

[cursive axle]

Same I'm tagging everything all the time hahah, the buff is still big enough a bonus I don't worry about stacks either just tag the next thing straight away.
The Emperor guides our wrath

[terse idol]

I'm not gonna mash ya for doing that

Lettuce move on

[flat pebble]

it takes all kinds

plasma is such a hard gun to build properly

[terse idol]

I think it's pretty good stat wise, Perks could be better

[flat pebble]

that’s one of my thoughts in why it’s fairly balanced

[vital saddle]

main reason i manual vent is due to 75% heat still = 4 stacks of gets hot

[flat pebble]

this though

[rancid echo]

yeah i dont have anything saved yet cuz i'm a week in but whatevs, guns broken af

[flat pebble]

it’s insane it’s even talked about anymore

we all know the topic is cursed now

[terse idol]

Make it more broke, give it gets hot and blaze it, imo

[rancid echo]

https://tenor.com/view/420-gif-5352456

blaze it

[radiant cargo]

is agile engagement a decent enough ability to have if you're not TRYING to use it? I feel like 25% is a beefy enough buff to just have kick inn every now and then.

[flat pebble]

it’s pretty good imo

but like, know your weapon combo

if you’re doing combat knife mg1a is probably not worth it yknow

[radiant cargo]

I expect to run bolter a good bit cause I love it. so it'll probably only get used a lot going from ranged to mellee

chain sword as close combat weapons, so pretty angry

[flat pebble]

kinda makes me wonder how much time you get with the buff after fully readying the bolter lol

[slow spade]

enough

[frail citrus]

Where did I get the Moebian 21st uniform from? Logged in today and just noticed it

[midnight mortar]

#📢news-bulletin message

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-vanguard-pc-bundle/86360

[viral nacelle]

Orly?

[frail citrus]

ngl we got low balled with this set

dang bro the other classes are so much cooler