veteran-class

[midnight mortar]

They explicitly said that.

[gloomy kestrel]

...why?

[midnight mortar]

Ask Dilara for the records if you don't believe me.

[flat pebble]

this feels incredibly unlikely, but fair. fatshark would absolutely know they were inviting blockback if they phrased it this way and didn’t deliver more than 2

[midnight mortar]

GW is extremely anal about how Warhammer is presented to the public.

[still flare]

Do you think they're goin to delete some nodes and make them passively on, or just outright delete some of the more (hopefully worthless) nodes?

[midnight mortar]

And extremely controlling about certain aspects of their franchise.

[junior needle]

It functions if you stack power blessings and only heavy attack for horde clear, but not well compared to most things.

[gloomy kestrel]

I mean there's literally shirtless groaners and dregs

[mystic belfry]

The biggest change they could add to axe is to make the heavy better at horde clear

[midnight mortar]

Precisely. It's why their teasers and announcements thrive on the plausible deniability of ambiguously worded statements that let people hype it up themselves.

[terse idol]

They hopefully put a center point connection in the middle for some things like grenades

Could help us save like 2-3 points

[mystic belfry]

And yeah, it's usable but it doesn't come close to the best options

[terse idol]

Or auras

[midnight mortar]

Yes, but those are enemies and not really human.

[mystic belfry]

But I also don't think chainsword is one of the best either

Really doesn't compete with say, ps6 or rashad

[junior hearth]

new fan fire revolver??

[glacial mist]

yes

please

[flat pebble]

“they know they’re inviting blowback” “precisely” man what

[glacial mist]

cowboy hat too

[midnight mortar]

So it is said, yes.

[junior hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/clint-eastwood-nod-gif-4351302

[tall torrent]

They need to delete both the +suppression nodes, born leader, for the emperor & close quarters killzone, and skirmisher

[midnight mortar]

They know they're inviting blowback, so they word it with plausible deniability.

[gloomy kestrel]

There is a weapon testing mod! It appears to be called loadout config

[midnight mortar]

It can be interpreted either way, so they can't be at fault. Not in any concrete way.

It's a PR tactic that works.

[flat pebble]

they could just not invite blowback and be specific and say those were the only two weapon variants they’re introducing

we’re gonna just have to agree to disagree here my friend

[still flare]

agreed, especially the suppression stuff. Actually makes a lot of stuff harder, not easier lol

[glacial mist]

how do you even use the keystone on the right?

[glacial mist]

shoot a lot then take out your sword?

[gloomy kestrel]

would be a pretty lame patch if essentially all they added was vt2 patches, a map and 2 weapon variants

[mystic belfry]

revolver

[glacial mist]

revolver eh

[mystic belfry]

las pistol and plasma also work, shotguns function too

But revolver is made for it

[glacial mist]

gonna need a good one first

[mystic belfry]

You don't really

Like a good one is best but I have a PoS i use on auric

[glacial mist]

i mean

the store havent been offering ANY at all lately

i cant find one to save my ass

[mystic belfry]

Said PoS

[gloomy kestrel]

that's what gambling at brunts is for

[dusty helm]

what are the 'key' blessings for plasma again? Gets hot and?

[mystic belfry]

Literal random crap

[glacial mist]

hipfire?

on a revolver?

lol

[midnight mortar]

Blaze Away if I recall.

[mystic belfry]

... Do you no hipefire your revolver?

[glacial mist]

wait till we have that new variant first

[gloomy kestrel]

revolver is 100% accurate

[mystic belfry]

I hipfire anyhing tha isn't a long distance off

[glacial mist]

i.....dont?

[midnight mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1176059169804136531/image.png?ex=656d7d74&is=655b0874&hm=594fbabad241f0d6e5d0e93af38ad69b90a66980635d63410376ebf2781f3984&

[glacial mist]

i use it like a sniper rifle

[flat pebble]

surgical? hip fire?

[dusty helm]

much appreciated

melk has a gets hot! IV in the shop

[midnight mortar]

Blaze Away at tier 4 ideally.

[dusty helm]

and while its otherwise terrible base

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1178551591800942592/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.26_-_23.21.22.01.mp4?ex=65768eb3&is=656419b3&hm=41d4ef092e20dc8c7e9852ee630381022f1a68f5cf2ea886ce22e1fe444a7dd5&

[mystic belfry]

You don't need surgical on your revolver if you take right capstone

[midnight mortar]

Also refer to the charge rate affecting damage chart in the pinned messages.

[flat pebble]

is this a joke

[midnight mortar]

Why does the audio sound so weird?

[flat pebble]

ah fair i always forget about weapspec

[dusty helm]

even i know blaze away is t3 only on plasmagun

[tall torrent]

I have nahimic audio suite, helps with surround sound better

[flat pebble]

blaze away is specifically only tier 3 i really just need to say it

[midnight mortar]

Shh.

It's a test to see if they know how to handle that weapon.

A rite of passage for all plasma users.

[mystic belfry]

I'm looking for Gloryhunter and Hand-Cannon for a right capstone revolver myself

But gloryhunter has alternatives

[midnight mortar]

Ahh ok. It sounds really uncanny on my headphones.

[gloomy kestrel]

like hipfire on revo is pixel perfect out to about 20m

[mystic belfry]

Yeah, just ignore the corsshair, pretend you're playing killing floor 2

It's dead accurate without ads

[gloomy kestrel]

just swap it with crosshair remap

use the shotgun slug crosshair

[mystic belfry]

And it swaps incredibly fast, you can fire it before the gun even looks fully ready on your screen

Currently running it with rashad as as a nice pairing, but anything that clears hordes well works

Shovel, for example

[flat pebble]

is that still just one guaranteed crit

[gloomy kestrel]

all you need with revo on most things

it does absurd crit damage

[flat pebble]

sure and if you crit once the second even without is usually fine

yeah i’ve used surg hand cannon on a revolver on my zealot for like 75 levels

[mystic belfry]

Currently running this

Rashad/revolver

[flat pebble]

just trying to understand what the whole situation is mechanics wise for weapspec

[mystic belfry]

basically, use your revolver to dome crushers and ragers

[midnight mortar]

Rashad melee kills into revolver delete button.

[mystic belfry]

And mostly just melee

[midnight mortar]

And back to rashad until you run into the crushers/etc.

[mystic belfry]

When you dome someone, you get 15% melee attack speed

[flat pebble]

are you OHKing them with this build

[mystic belfry]

When you kill something with melee, your next swap to revovler is a crit and reloads 1 round

[mystic belfry]

Not with my PoS revolver I ain't

[flat pebble]

so it’s really about the juggling to maximize the crits

that’s cool

[mystic belfry]

Also, whenever you swap to revolver, kill something, and swap back, you get 40% toughness

[midnight mortar]

I know OHKO headshots with the revolver are possible using exec stance, no keystone necessary. Not sure if it's doable with the right keystyone.

[mystic belfry]

crits and 15% melee attack speed, and reload, and toughness generation

[flat pebble]

sure i’m mostly focused on the crit interaction for hand cannon here

[mystic belfry]

If you don't want to play very melee heavy, I would not run right capstone

[flat pebble]

i’m into it, i just usually go to my zealot for that

i’ve got maybe 5 games of melee vet under my belt total

[mystic belfry]

I say it, because if you just want to amp your range mostly, and have melee as backup, you're wasting a lot of your benefits

it's why I don't run it for most builds, even melee ones

Also, you want to sprint almost constantly as long as you have some stam

[solar bone]

First time melk man has had plasma for me in like two weeks and its these. Wut you got aginst ammo melkman?

[mystic belfry]

Doing so will regen stam if you dodge shots, and also stacks Skirmisher

[manic flax]

im fiiiiine

ill be fine

[mystic belfry]

Pox burster wants to know your location

[celest vine]

Very corrupted traitor

[mystic belfry]

Also, fitting name

[eternal sable]

true sadness from melk

[mystic belfry]

ow

[glacial mist]

remind me of one of my mk4 devil's

from the shop

everything 70%+

[tall torrent]

I think melee vet has a place and is definitely a different flavour from zealot

[glacial mist]

except cleave

[flat pebble]

yeah for sure i just like the melee+hand cannon flavor more on zealot i guess

[glacial mist]

melee vet shouting more than the shouties

telling ppl to kill more

it's a flavour for sure

that being said i need to actually play a zealot first to comment

[tall torrent]

“Hammer of the emperor!”

[placid portal]

"Time to earn our Pay!"

[tall torrent]

Oh zealot shouts roughly as frequently as vet in HISTG

[glacial mist]

i want to

make one of those builds on the youtube

the ones with hammer

[tall torrent]

Vet might shout more depending on many specialists the game throws at u

[glacial mist]

that one shot a big dude

[glacial mist]

on histg that's like

ever second

or every 2 inch you move

[flat pebble]

zealot with cdr gets it down there too, especially with chastise

[tall torrent]

Which is why they’re roughly on the same frequency on HISTG

[midnight mortar]

What would possess a psyker to stand still in front of a Mauler, trying to flame them to death as the Mauler stops, raises his chainaxe, and then overheads them?

I wonder sometimes.

[placid portal]

if vetran can kill 5 specials ye, he'll shout nonstop

[tall torrent]

Tzeentch: trust me dude getting an overhead from that scab mauler is definitely what your beloved intended

[glacial mist]

never played one before so i cant say but

has something to do with their brain being on fire or something

i think happens when they reach 100%

[midnight mortar]

Ahh, reaching 100% must be a good thing.

[glacial mist]

yes

not providing shield, not so much

[unkempt island]

does the vetern have any cosmetics that changes his voice like the zealot?

[eternal venture]

Late but no, the smoke would linger and stagger so long as it persists

It’d be more like psyker stun shield

[glacial mist]

i think one of them full faced helmet?

[tall torrent]

No

[desert hawk]

not every mask muffles / changes voice tho

[tall torrent]

If there was half the veterans in damnation would have been using it

[unkempt island]

fair just thought id ask

[versed merlin]

vet devs are underpaid

[unkempt island]

no shit

[glacial mist]

sadness

[unkempt island]

tree wack

new cosmetic in payed shop recolor wack

[placid portal]

Vet cosmetics

[terse idol]

Zealot getting the cool hoodie and gasmask

🥹

[unkempt island]

cosmetic for the player that played during beta wack

[terse idol]

I mean maybe we'll get the Moebian Gasmask + helmet

[versed merlin]

all we can do is cope with hope

[terse idol]

But damn hoodie and gasmask is coooooool

[unkempt island]

im happy zealot got more drip but that should have been a guardsmen head, it also has frags on the waist

[placid portal]

tbf zealot drip on the ordo docket store looks like a toilet paper dress

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVqV8tskaGQ&pp=ygUIZHJpcHRpZGU%3D

[tall torrent]

Playing vet is true to the imperial guard experience

You get taxed in the talent tree (imperial tithe)

You get overwhelmed by armored enemy forces (just like the guard)

And at the end of the day an Ogryn gunlugger beats u in gun dps

[civic bay]

Melk blessed me with this today. It's not perfect, but it's good enough for me.

For adjustments, should I adjust the perks to Flak + Maniac or adjust the Stamina to Flak and Wrath to Brutal Momentum? Leaning towards the latter, though I only have Rampage III unlocked atm.

[placid portal]

you can keep it and wait for a better one and salvage it for powercycler

[civic bay]

oh, it's probably getting salvaged for power cycler regardless aha

[tall torrent]

I would swap wrath for brutal momentum

And stamina for maniac/unyielding/carapace

[civic bay]

but for short-term adjustments

[tall torrent]

It’s usable that way

Until u find a better roll

[placid portal]

ye short term adjustments for the long game

[civic bay]

Oh, Maniac over Flak?

[placid portal]

[tall torrent]

Flak doesn’t hit any meaningful breakpoints iirc

Carapace allows u to have the potential to 2 tap crushers & maulers in the head with push stab + light4 overhead

Unyielding allows u to 1 shot bulwarks I believe

And maniac allows u to 1 tap mutants with push stab

[viral nacelle]

What do people do blessing wise with the mk3 hellbore?

[tall torrent]

Charged ofc

[tall torrent]

Onslaught + surgical

[viral nacelle]

Time to grind more blessings 😔

[civic bay]

Hmm, I'll try *one of the three and swap if needed then. Thanks for the info!

[mystic belfry]

I believe maniac + elite is the best setup for ps6, you can still hit two-shot breakpoints on crushers

Idr the exact setup, but I know you need the +30% weakspot damage talent

[dire jacinth]

are all psykers so delusional? i just had game(i play plasma vet) with 2 psykers and they were the most toxic and just dumb players i ever seen, they blame us vets for the lost game even that we got most dmg and and saved their asses multiple times and they just keep spitting shit and brag about how they actually played as 2 because they dont count us as players and in my experience its ALWAYS psykers, its just funny and pathetic

[flat pebble]

all classes have insane people

[civic bay]

^

[mystic belfry]

Yeah you found out the secret, all psykers are more toxic than the worst of LoL players

If you see one immediately quit, no point even trying :)

[civic bay]

just flame them and quit, obviously

that'll show those dirty Psykers not to be toxic

[brave scarab]

what build/blessing etc do you use?

[grand sable]

Slursling

[serene sage]

everytime i copy this image it gets a little blurrier
get it while it's still seeable

[mystic belfry]

No sir, I'm not the victim

All them hordes are

[placid portal]

out of the 4 ogryn do have the ability to pull through in toughest times

[astral blade]

Wait us vets are victim complex

That makes no sense

[placid portal]

[mystic belfry]

Yeah because we're always bitching about our skill tree

[placid portal]

Pretty much

Vets pay taxes

[mystic belfry]

I've moved passed bitching and am simply coping

[placid portal]

Same

Focus target is still imo hella goated

[steel quarry]

disabled vets cant even get free aquilas

[astral blade]

Ahhh I see

Also how do psykers have a god complex

[mystic belfry]

Time for a class action lawsuit that ends with our public execution

[mystic belfry]

Yeah. Honestly having good talents is not the issue, it's just the bloat

[white minnow]

male seer has a line saying that he should be worshipped

[mystic belfry]

We do have good stuff, even if two of the capstones are kinda niche

[tall torrent]

I hope patch16 vet skill tree finally becomes good

[placid portal]

Fair, vet has so many passive skills

[tall torrent]

If it takes like 17-18 points to reach keystone I think everyone would be pretty happy

[mystic belfry]

I seriously only need like 2-3 more talents to work with

[white minnow]

I know that seer at least has that god complex, not sure about the other voices

[placid portal]

They wanted to make vet unique bc vet felt like a generalist role by default

[astral blade]

So how do ogryns have a saviour complex

[flat pebble]

"ogryns protect the lil uns"

[placid portal]

They rush to lil uns to rescue

[mystic belfry]

90% of ogryns larp abou being a protector

They just do

[placid portal]

Or do ogryn things

[steel quarry]

why does a bear shit in the woods

[placid portal]

like eat crayola

[flat pebble]

the irony being i play with ogryns all the time who are horrible team players

[civic bay]

you're thinking way too deep into a post that's mostly a joke xD

[placid portal]

Damn

[astral blade]

And zealots are narcissistic makes sense

[placid portal]

ye do be a relatable joke

[tall torrent]

Ogryns are either the most wholesome players you’ve met or t’au experiments who can’t melee for shit

[flat pebble]

as someone who splits time with zealot chat and vet chat, yes

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/pelo-sr-pelo-relatable-wow-gif-15197800

[astral blade]

Tbh vet chat is my fav chat

Minus a couple of trolls in this damn chat

[flat pebble]

for me it's that they larp about protecting the lil uns but 75% of them i see never utilize their rez stun immunity for the good of actually protecting them

[tall torrent]

Met a gunlugger Ogryn who pulled out his cleaver a grand total of 5 times in heresy once when I was just messing around with a build

It went horribly

[placid portal]

damn

[tall torrent]

I think he went down 12 times and died 3 times

[placid portal]

XP rip

[flat pebble]

i zealot main so i talk there but also it gets insane there sometimes in horrible ways so I got used to spending time in vet chat

[mystic belfry]

They larp about being protective

[tall torrent]

Truly a t’augryn

[mystic belfry]

They don't actually do it much

[placid portal]

I don't say I protect, I do protect

[civic bay]

I mean, they don't actually have much to actively protect with outside of shield, charge, and taunt, assuming they actually take those

[placid portal]

saying I protect do not stop boolets

[tall torrent]

Me when “protective Ogryns” eat a whole mag from my IAG and 2 full mags from 2 gunners

[civic bay]

and even those can only protect to a degree

[mystic belfry]

Same

You go down? There's a nade on your ass and I'm kamikazing a path through the horde instantly

[placid portal]

I protect team from monsters by giving them [ZA HANDO]

[tall torrent]

It’s funny because they somehow can trace my movement and aim to block exactly where I want to shoot

I move left to shoot the gunners, they strafe left in melee and still block my shots

[mystic belfry]

Like, most of the my deaths are because I got too hasty with revives lmao

[astral blade]

Vey chat is very chill most of the time

[languid escarp]

usually when an Ogryn looks at something, consider that thing dead

[astral blade]

Plus we vets are a creative bunch

Ain’t that right lads

[placid portal]

My paranoia playing vet helps when reviving as ogryn

[mystic belfry]

I also play heavier melee than like, anyone else I meet

[tall torrent]

Being severely point starved in a half finished skill tree for sure makes you have to pick and choose

[mystic belfry]

I always end up the frontline even with like hammer zealots and shield ogryns around lmao

Everyone just wants to pew pew

[tall torrent]

Melee vet is actually really fun when your melee hits the right breakpoints

[junior grail]

So... anyone has a clue on that last infor for the Part 2 Teaser?

Ne- ?

[mystic belfry]

I want to bathe in guts

[idle carbon]

I've just realized that fatshark are tweaking the veteran tree to make it shorter with anniversary update pt2
meaning we get to remake all our talent tree builds, again
for the third time
man, the other classes have it easy lol

[placid portal]

Revel in slaughter

[tall torrent]

Explicator Zola is dispatched at ??? for ????

[placid portal]

Torrent

Likely

[mystic belfry]

I love the contrast of the professional vet voice on a complete maniac melee plyer

[idle carbon]

I have 3 veterans damnit, cut me some slack obesefish lol

[cloud leaf]

3rd times the charm

[mystic belfry]

I have like six vet builds atm

[placid portal]

if not 4th round in the chamber does the trick

[junior grail]

We need more npcs assisting players in game

[mystic belfry]

But it'll only take like sixty seconds to remake them after I read the new tree so I don't care

[placid portal]

Like a custodian

[mystic belfry]

I constantly tweak my builds already

[placid portal]

one player every 3 days rotation is blessed with a custodian

[pure cloud]

ARE YOU GUYS EXCITED FOR THE NEW SHOVEL

[placid portal]

MARKET GARDENING TIME

[warm idol]

on one hand its a new tool so yes

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/market-garden-soldier-pharah-gif-27445057

[pure cloud]

ITS GONNA BE A SINGLE TARGET SHOVEL

[mystic belfry]

Maybe? I'm not excited for any of it until we see it tbh

[warm idol]

on the other hand

[tall torrent]

I’m more excited for vet tree rework and stimms tbh

[placid portal]

Mmm

Stimpacks

[tall torrent]

Loose cannon when he can finally do drugs:

[mystic belfry]

Stimms should be fun

[warm idol]

shovel/trench/krieg memes are terribly unfunny

[mystic belfry]

I miss potions

[pure cloud]

stimm would benefits all

if it work properly

wanna bet they forgot to hardcap dmg stim

[warm idol]

I hope for a new variant of laspistol or bolter or plasma

[mystic belfry]

It reads like it's litterally just pots from vermintide lol

[flat pebble]

wonder if they'll update field improv for stims

[mystic belfry]

Strength, speed, power, healing

[pure cloud]

its just vermintide pot

[mystic belfry]

it's just pots

[placid portal]

pretty much

[mystic belfry]

So damage+cleave, attack speed+movement speed, ult regen

[tall torrent]

Would stims be carry item like medkits and ammo crates?

Or u just consume when u pick them up

[placid portal]

could be separate carry slot

[mystic belfry]

Depends if they add a new slot or not, but they should be carriable

[warm idol]

prolly be a placeable timed buff for the party

[flat pebble]

does controller have space for a new slot?

[mystic belfry]

At worst they might take the same slot as ammo/medkits

[tall torrent]

That’s gonna be a hard pick tbh

[placid portal]

no

[mystic belfry]

idk, only silly gooses play on controller

[flat pebble]

feels unlikely then

they're gonna have to work around the console

[mystic belfry]

They could add double-tap to use a new slot

[placid portal]

not really Ammo/Health packs aren't common unless you're going for scriptures then yea kinda tough

[warm idol]

playing fps on a controller

[mystic belfry]

Sienna's necromancer class has a double-tap slot.

[flat pebble]

it's pve who cares

[warm idol]

should be punishable by ten lashes

[mystic belfry]

me

[warm idol]

[flat pebble]

dont play controller then

[umbral scaffold]

I think its safe to assume stims will be like VT2 potions, where they had their own slot

[mystic belfry]

I don'

[placid portal]

ye I assume so

[flat pebble]

excellent we are at an accord

[placid portal]

Stims could be in your pocket

[mystic belfry]

It's safe to assume they are consumables you carry. If they have a new slot or not depends on how motivated Fatshark felt when making hem

[tall torrent]

They also say Karnak twins are time-limited

[flat pebble]

this is my thought as well

[tall torrent]

Are they “time limited as in” they spawn in a mission and you have a limited time window to kill them?

[mystic belfry]

As in seasonal probably

[placid portal]

Oh no

[umbral scaffold]

Thats the problem with such vague wording, we just dunno

[placid portal]

"Seasons"

[umbral scaffold]

Theres good chance its literally just seasonal content but they dont want to piss people off by saying that outright

[tall torrent]

Darktide doesn’t need seasons unless they’re made like DRG seasons

[umbral scaffold]

With FS release schedule I would certainly hope its not seasonal content though

[placid portal]

Fair

[flat pebble]

DRG the only good seasons

[placid portal]

Well minus content drop after completing it

Good news is next season is next year

[flat pebble]

they could probably do quarterly

[warm idol]

a logical thing would be to make the same boss but reskinned and with some generic name post event

[idle carbon]

I've had something of an idea to tweak Marksman's Focus
does anyone actually use the Tunnel Vision modifier? if not, change it so melee headshots prevent stack loss for 1s
so if you get in a pinch and have to pull out your melee weapon, you're not doomed to lose all your stacks dodging and moving about until the coast is clear again

[tall torrent]

Tbh I think we’ve been eating good since patch 13 as a whole

[humble adder]

Is this melee good? If not whats a good alternative?

[warm idol]

but this is fatshark

so for all we know

[tall torrent]

Since patch 13 we’ve gotten a lot of content

[placid portal]

Agreed, I do not forget to count my blessings

[warm idol]

its legit gonna be removed the patch after

[flat pebble]

i think they're waiting for the base game to be more solid before introducing more live service elements

[warm idol]

I LOVE TIME LIMITED CONTENT

[manic flax]

i could...

[humble adder]

Limited time content?

[umbral scaffold]

Hoping that the pace keeps up after FS goes into hibernation

[humble adder]

What content is limited time>

[warm idol]

god the whole idea of content that only exists for a limited amount of time is stupid

[mystic belfry]

Killing Floor 2 has great time limited stuff

[humble adder]

In this gake

[mystic belfry]

Just be like KF2 smh

[humble adder]

And more importantly how do I ge the limited time content?

[umbral scaffold]

I want to be hopeful that future content will keep coming but the drought from before the console release tints my view of things pretty heavily

[placid portal]

FoMo

[mystic belfry]

You just play

[humble adder]

Ah

[midnight mortar]

According to a CM, they will be a separate item slot from crates/scrips.

[mystic belfry]

And a new boss pops up sometimes

[tall torrent]

I hope they continue with new weapons and maps

New subclasses are gonna be tricky

[mystic belfry]

When the time is over, they stop spawning

[tall torrent]

Oh nice

[warm idol]

one of the worst things to grace gaming

[tall torrent]

Imagine the Karnak twins spawn in the amphitheatre to ambush you at the very end lol

[placid portal]

agreed

But after playing destiney

I have adapted to not play

[warm idol]

ive quit destiny a long time ago and honestly it keeps getting worse every year

[mystic belfry]

Never got into destiny, only played the beta for 1

[warm idol]

bungie charging more for less

[humble adder]

Also, whaddya think of my chainsword?

[midnight mortar]

The real devil move would be to actually give the Karnak Twins more than basic AI that tries to be within attack range of you at all times and instead create scenarios where players can't kite the bosses, but have to kill them to proceed. No skipping past them by speed running.

[mystic belfry]

Put rampage or maniac damage on it, then wait for a better chainsword

[humble adder]

Any other melee weapons that are good?

[tall torrent]

Also, who’s that mad woman talking in the new teaser trailer

[mystic belfry]

Replace devastating strike, to be clear

[forest blaze]

STIMMIES?!?!??

[mystic belfry]

... Yes?

[tall torrent]

Are the Karnak twins guy & girl?

[placid portal]

FREE KRAK

[midnight mortar]

It's either one of the Karnak Twins or Zola.

I consider it far more likely to be one of the Twins.

[forest blaze]

Can I finally grind my diamantine into powder and Hoover that shit on the frontlines?!?!??

[mystic belfry]

I like rashad axe, power sword 6, dagger, and shovel the most

Oh, and claw sword 4

[umbral scaffold]

Definitely not Zola, thats the femcadian voice actor

[tall torrent]

Loose cannon when he can finally do drugs:

[mystic belfry]

Stims should have 1/6th effect on ogryns

Too much mass

[forest blaze]

Oi look ‘ere boys. We got some stimmies!

[warm idol]

honestly id rather have new weapons atm

[mystic belfry]

We are going to have new weapons

[warm idol]

especially stuff that should be here already

[placid portal]

Traxis 420 sighted!

[warm idol]

like melta or bolt pistol

[mystic belfry]

Probably some power creep weapons even, if VT2 was any example

[forest blaze]

Stop hoggin all the traxis 420!

[placid portal]

Finders, keepers

[warm idol]

the cabbage of chaos

[tall torrent]

That’s a different thing though like
With patch 13 we got a ton of new players who’re not used to this game and then adding a big blessing grind on top of the existing massive blessing grind can feel overly lengthy

[mystic belfry]

Ogryns have to snort the stims because their skin is too tough, like a nasal spray

[placid portal]

Aw Jimmminy Crickets one puff wouldn't hurt

[tall torrent]

I’m ok with new variants in existing weapon types as long as the new variants feel fun & interesting

[warm idol]

a crafting rework is also needed

[forest blaze]

Ogryns snort it because they have to. I snort it because it hits my brain cells faster. We are not the same.

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-horus-heresy-gif-25203003

[midnight mortar]

Adding new weapons wouldn't change that.

[warm idol]

the current system is nothing short of asinine

[mystic belfry]

We uh, don't have a very good track record doing that with what's already in the game

[mystic belfry]

I don't snort it, I ram it up my nose and inject it directly into my brain

[forest blaze]

Even better

[mystic belfry]

Melee vet needs his strength pot now

[tall torrent]

Adding new weapons with 7-8 blessing slots of lvl 1~4 can dilute the drops for existing stuff

[umbral scaffold]

New variants:
Version of weapon that is weaker, but swings/fires faster
Version of weapon that is stronger, but swings/fires slower

[warm idol]

thats variants in a nutshell

[placid portal]

new specials would be cool

[midnight mortar]

And historically speaking, Fatshark's attitude has always been to mostly keep to their overall course and just have people come back over time. Do remember they kept the game the same for 9 months at a 2.5-3k player count despite the most prevalent complaint being the crafting driving people away.

[warm idol]

its something at least

[mystic belfry]

The special attacks will be whas different, along with combo patterns

[umbral scaffold]

I cant see any of them being game changing tbh but maybe their special moves will actually be insane

Revolver fanning has potential

[warm idol]

but its weird that not every variant is already in game considering they are rather low effort

[forest blaze]

Bolt pistol or die, boys

[tall torrent]

Have revolver fanning just go crazy
We need that

[humble adder]

Hows this?

[tall torrent]

Borderline bricked

[warm idol]

perk bricked

[humble adder]

Wow

[warm idol]

blessing bricked

meh stats

[humble adder]

Damn

[sharp ember]

damn did they change the lighting in the relay station final obj because it DARK

[placid portal]

I think fanning revolver could be weaker than the Standard revolver

[warm idol]

use only to fish for pc4

[midnight mortar]

Mine does not look like that.

[sharp ember]

maybe my game shaders loaded weird

[tall torrent]

It’s prob weaker with a better dps on bigger targets

[placid portal]

Maybe lacking in carapace

But who knows

we wait and judge when it comes

[tall torrent]

So worse breakpoints, more reloads, but maybe more ammo with higher dps and firerate

[forest blaze]

It only has a 2 round cylinder

[tall torrent]

And a rapid fire revolver would have a very different build from the current revolver

Surgical would not come into play nearly as much

Maybe run & gun?

[mystic belfry]

0/2, you'd need to roll a good perk and a good blessing

[humble adder]

Ah

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/hunt-showdown-fanning-moment-borderlands3-flood-revolver-gif-24999722

[tall torrent]

So in that sense it’s interesting enough to me to warrant a new variant

[mystic belfry]

For power sword, you want Brutal Momentum and Power Cycler, even the min level versions of these are better than anything else by a decent bit.

For perks, you want Maniac and any of Elite, Carapace, or Unyielding.

For stats, you only need like 50ish mobility, and cleave isn't incredibly important, just don't dump it to tiny numbers

[humble adder]

Ah

[mystic belfry]

You want like, Damage > finesse > cleave damage

[humble adder]

Well I blew all my money on Brunts armory so im going in with shit melee

[forest blaze]

Brunt’s lottery.

[astral blade]

Wasn’t I meant to show someone the Chainsword that I use

[midnight mortar]

It was me asking about how you weren't able to get guaranteed OHKO heavy revs on mutants.

[acoustic wyvern]

Did i hear an update is coming

[keen elk]

What should I do with this power sword?

[acoustic wyvern]

And theres a fanning revolver

[midnight mortar]

#📢news-bulletin message

[midnight mortar]

Change weakspot to maniac or carapace and wrath to power cycler, and you'd have a useable interim power sword.

[tall torrent]

Weakspot -> carapace/maniac

Wrath -> power cycler

[grave cargo]

Is Revolver too good

[midnight mortar]

In my opinion, just a tad.

I'd rather see other archetypes buffed though to be honest.

[grave cargo]

I feel like it does what Bolter more or less should

[midnight mortar]

Zealots can have their fun with revolver.

[flat pebble]

it's really good in the hands of people that know what they're doing

[tall torrent]

Top 5 vet guns imo

[placid portal]

Revolver hecking killer

[astral blade]

dis is my chainsword

[placid portal]

only downside is it only has 5 rounds per cylinder

[serene sage]

More of more and less of less

[midnight mortar]

Can you test it in the psykhanium and replicate what you said about how you can't always get one hit kills with heavy revs against mutants?

[placid portal]

Can't break through Bulwark shield unlike boltgun

But definitely mercs carapace with handcannon

[tall torrent]

Revolver is a very reactive priority target killer that deals with most targets very efficiently

Bolter is more like u gotta play slow and aim for crits and headshots, but u can mag dump stuff for better dps on big guys

[placid portal]

Also reloading revolver makes every shot a proper lithany of death for heretics

[flint lake]

M’sF w/ revolver is fucking bonkers

[placid portal]

do be bonkers

had bad weakpoint but good crit dmg, but now it's insane

[flint lake]

Easily 700k dmg in a run with another 800k overkill

[sweet mango]

Are 3 people free enough to help me with a veteran penance?

[gloomy kestrel]

is collateral an okay dump stat on bolter? https://i.gyazo.com/827db1ac43d22342f7b8ff928243cc74.png

[astral blade]

i can try but its gonna be a bitch

[midnight mortar]

I'm confident that you will find you have a 100% success rate at killing mutants with a single heavy rev, even if you didn't have bloodletter.

Because there isn't anything that can cause your CS to deal less damage than the minimum needed to achieve that in one heavy rev attack.

[languid escarp]

less collateral is good

imo

[astral blade]

the only thing is that is only happened a few times in missions

most likely due to lag

[languid escarp]

hate it when they stagger and you miss precious bolter shots

[astral blade]

dont ask how this idiot ended up like this

[flat pebble]

raaaaah raaaaaaaaaah

[ocean moat]

Which powersword to use?

[midnight mortar]

The mk6 is the commonly preferred one.

[ocean moat]

I got double 69% on my first mk6

[acoustic wyvern]

If you stack poxbursters together in one spot, you can reach the top of the statues when it explodes lol

[ocean moat]

Whatre the go to blessings

For mk6 powersw

[acoustic wyvern]

It'll always be just power cycler 4

The 2nd one you can pick your cherries

[ocean moat]

Uhh

[ruby fulcrum]

When in doubt. Power cycler + brutal momentum

[ocean moat]

Does it need some extra cleave or damage

[acoustic wyvern]

Both

Pick your cherrieees

[ocean moat]

😐

[acoustic wyvern]

I'd personally go rampage or sunder

[ocean moat]

Ok

[flat pebble]

you want BM

first target damage across 4 enemies on weakspot kill trivializes hordes

[midnight mortar]

Power Cycler 4 and Brutal Momentum 4. Rampage/Sunder are step below substitutions for BM.

But BM provides you the most benefit.

[ocean moat]

I dont have enough plasteel for power cycler but for now i have a blue with rampage

Plasteel 😭

[flat pebble]

power cycler is unfortunately kind of hard required

[midnight mortar]

Without power cycler, power swords just kinda suck.

[umbral scaffold]

The push attack with BM will more often than not trivialize groups of crushers if you get close enough to use it without dying to overheads

[ocean moat]

I dont have enough to find it in the first place

[bronze palm]

Just use another weapon until you get it

[acoustic wyvern]

Like the antax

[umbral scaffold]

Could also wait to see it in the melk store tbh

[astral blade]

weeeeeee

kids dont try this at home

[languid escarp]

pox jumping

[terse idol]

Wow I am suprised they even added collision up there

[hard cave]

Can someone post the shops rotation rn

[midnight mortar]

This?

[hard cave]

oh neat

can u post the vets options

for this and the last two rotations?

[midnight mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914161923334214/1176623020765360258/Pox_Burster_Burst_Short.mp4?ex=656f8a94&is=655d1594&hm=070023b0f7d29d1ccea0956708aa1ef33f4da59eda230a6d511d7969d68a4f4f&

[vital saddle]

cant wait for hadron to brick it

[hard cave]

awesome ty

[astral blade]

Guess there was an ogryn dumb enough to do that

[hard cave]

the only thing good imo is the kantreal helm

[toxic leaf]

i didnt even know a stat could roll this low at level 30 lol

[hard cave]

and steel legion helm

[vital saddle]

u can get as low as 1% 😄

[languid escarp]

I think at level 30 it varies between 300 and 380

oh nvm

you were referring to stats

[vital saddle]

yup

[toxic leaf]

man what the fuck is this

[midnight mortar]

A god rolled chainaxe.

[whole moon]

Bait

[toxic leaf]

requisition bot just spitting shit at me

[midnight mortar]

Which means very little since it's a chainaxe.

[languid escarp]

still a chainaxe

[toxic leaf]

im gonna keep it tucked away for an update when fs makes it good

and then hadron lets me down

[grave cargo]

accidentally into 8 maulers and a buncha chaff

pull out revolver

nothin personell kid

[karmic musk]

Any idea how to upgrade this?

[grave cargo]

Yeah this shit is just bonkers, I thought it might suffer on high int gauntlet but if anything it just gets better

[torpid fractal]

how do we rate No Respite on headhunter autos?

[grave cargo]

I have had my contracts done for like 5 runs and I'm still just spamming vet revolver

[flint lake]

Dum Dum for ghost and toss Crit for either unarmored or flak

If you don’t like how it feels without the Crit you can always swap it out again for 5% instead

[karmic musk]

Got it

[flint lake]

But you’ll want the maniac

You’ll also want the full auto mod from the nexus

[karmic musk]

I have it

[flint lake]

Awesome, makes the pistol a lot more enjoyable

[grave cargo]

It's actually insane how good this rolled

Stability is the dumpest of all stats on this thing for Vet so, really could not have asked for anything except 5% more maniac damage and 8% more base damage

[stray storm]

Oh I love the voicelines if the whole squad is Vets
F LC: “Anyone want to bet on Tontine?”
Professional: “I’d rather bet on my life, not my money”
F LC: “Come on have a bit of fun!”
Cutthroat: “Fun?! We aren’t here to have fun!”
M LC “Nobody asked you.”

[dusk idol]

no full bore?

[grave cargo]

G

Guys

I just watched a shieldgryn run up to 4 ragers and plant his shield

And then uh, die

Because what did he expect

[near sable]

he was ragered

[near wyvern]

They raged all over him

[hoary stratus]

what melee weapon should I try for if I suck at horde clear? chain sword?

[umbral scaffold]

Power sword

[grave cargo]

Also I could but I plan to use this on sharpshooter vet so he'll have ranged buffs

[umbral scaffold]

At its most brainless it amounts to a middle click + m1 + m1 + m1 horde clearing machine (MK6)

[midnight mortar]

Power sword mk6, though you'd need the power cycler blessing to really make use of it.

You have your special activation bound to middle click?

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah I forget the default bind

[midnight mortar]

Just checking.

[hoary stratus]

m4, my middle click is always broken 🤪

thanks, I'll try and build a power sword

[tall torrent]

Power sword
Combat axe
Chainsword
Devil’s claw sword
Shovel

[hoary stratus]

doesn't the axe tend to struggle too? or is that just the tactical axes?

[tall torrent]

Combat axe with brutal momentum and a specific build to hit both bruiser one hit kill breakpoints will clear hordes extremely well

[midnight mortar]

The shovel is a solid option if you want something with strong CC/defensive ability.

You won't kill much as fast, but you're very safe with it.

[grave cargo]

Shovel sucks for clutching

Even if you go full melee build shit spawns faster than you kill it

It does feel really nice to dodge and kite with

[midnight mortar]

In general I'd recommend you learn the ins and outs of melee and positioning so you can get good at fighting hordes.

[hoary stratus]

yeah I'd like to do that but I really feel like my chain sword is really getting in the way

[dusk idol]

what is it you struggle with in hordes?

[desert hawk]

are you trying to rev mobs?

[midnight mortar]

Big question: Are you using lights to horde clear? The chainsword's optimal horde clear is relying on the fast attack speed of lights and the beautiful horizontal l3.

[desert hawk]

cause just heavy spam on chain sword clears hordes no problem

[grave cargo]

Generally

Powersword is OP
Rasheed is great for a melee build, sucks shit for a sharpshooter imo but still BM is great and the special staggers anything
Devil Claw is pretty solid but lacks armor damage
Chainsword is a good all rounder, esp if you don't take melee perks
Shovel is something you really should know what you're doing before you use it, but it's not a bad supporting tool, the special staggers almost anything

Knife, is a specialist weapon and kind of a useless meme on vet

[hoary stratus]

definitely not revving in hordes, heavy spam doesn't feel like it's killing anything but my chainsword sucks

[grave cargo]

It's arguably his best defensive melee weapon because it's fast as fuck and has amazing dodges

[midnight mortar]

It's light spam you'll want. CS benefits even more once you get rampage and savage sweep on it.

[grave cargo]

But you will bottom score on damage and clear hordes slower than a shovel

[dusk idol]

there's an argument for wrath over savage sweep

[hoary stratus]

ah 😔

[grave cargo]

They're both fine, Wrath procs more often when you need it but takes longer to get going

[desert hawk]

Sweep makes it very comfy

[midnight mortar]

The chainsword's optimal horde clear is relying on the fast attack speed of lights and the beautiful horizontal l3.

[dusk idol]

you should be using lights with an occasional heavy if you have some breathing room

[midnight mortar]

There is. Both have their uses.

[grave cargo]

Also yes Chainsword is spamming lights and critfishing

[hoary stratus]

I'm stuck with wrath on this until I can craft something else

[grave cargo]

l3 l4 are great for clearing chaff

[midnight mortar]

I just personally prefer savage for the immediate max cleave gain for pinch situations and faster horde clear that I don't worry about losing if I miss.

[dusk idol]

keep wrath

[umbral scaffold]

Running savage sweep & rampage on my current chainsword, typically only using heavies to proc those 2 blessings before going to light spam. Struggles a bit with ragers, but dreg ragers will typically get staggered by heavies still

[dusk idol]

replace bloodletter with rampage

[grave cargo]

Bloodletter is pretty meme tier keep wrath

Rampage or Shred are both good with chainsword

[hoary stratus]

I have rampage 4 unlocked so I'll try that

[junior needle]

Rampage gives much more than the description states, including both damage and power

[grave cargo]

Yeahg

[junior needle]

As long as you're proccing it reliably it's a huge damage increase

[hoary stratus]

I used to have a power sword with power cycler but my dumb ass bricked it when I started playing again recently, didn't realize that you couldn't undo crafting 😭

[desert hawk]

can always craft another

if you have the blessing

[hoary stratus]

I don't, that's the problem

[grave cargo]

Rampage + Wrath is probably "optimal"

You'll see PC3 all the time so I wouldn't worry about it

PC4 is the rare one

[pale rapids]

Wait, powerswords are not the meta anymore?

[grave cargo]

Nah they're the best melee for raw damage

Their base stats suck shit now though

[hoary stratus]

the issue with power swords is that they just horde clear and struggle to do much else I think?

[grave cargo]

They have bad dodges, no bonus to blocking power or total stamina, and just don't do damage if they're not energized

If they are energized with PC3 you two shot ragers with light 1 light 2 combos on the 6

[dusk idol]

for hordes, light + occasional heavy when you have some room, listen for sound cues and dodge, block push when you're getting overwhelmed and repeat

[pale rapids]

Crap, looks like I'm rolling chain swords tonight

[grave cargo]

They can fail you in moments where you need them, but when things go well they're smooth sailing and topscoring melee as a full ranged build

[dusk idol]

your weapon attack patterns can change depending on the weapon, but so long as you're doing the rest you'll handle hordes easily

[pale rapids]

I did feel like with my power sword I had to power it up to get out of trouble on hordes

[dusk idol]

the catachan devils claw uses heavy > light / light > heavy depending on which mark you use, but still same concept for the rest

honestly if you were in a pinch you could use spam lights on dclaw and still do fine, you'd just clear slower

[hoary stratus]

devil claw was really fun when I was messing around with one

[pale rapids]

I just mostly rock a plasma gun so other then hordes I don't go into melee heh

[grave cargo]

Do not ever used a powersword unenergized unless you just need to stagger something

It does no damage now

Also you can block while energizing the mk6

Making it extremely safe and optimal to only spam energized lights

[hoary stratus]

definitely noticed that change 😢

[dusk idol]

they are really nice, great survivability and horde clear, but yeah it lacks carapace damage

and suffers a little into flak but not by a huge margin

[astral blade]

can someone humor me real quick with question

[dusk idol]

what question

[astral blade]

why is it when in melee combat against hordes why is it that our characters dont get blood on them but we get blood on our weapons

[dusk idol]

because if we did the collective fatshark servers would choke and die under the strain

[astral blade]

i mean ya got body parts flying when a grenade goes off but why no blood and guts everywhere

just being curious for a while is all

[dusk idol]

c'mon man

my game crashes every like third game

constant error 9999's

don't forget the bleeding memory leaks

[atomic zephyr]

huh.

has that always been there?

[astral blade]

yep

to my knowledge at least

[midnight mortar]

Yes.

That's been there for a long time.

Long before Auric missions were added.

It was the basis upon which all the dumbos who insist Genestealers would be added were founded.

[forest blaze]

I’m literally shook by this comment

[minor iron]

how we feelin? worth or is it joever?

[whole moon]

Good stats, shit everything else

Ok,the perk isn't terrible but it's a sub par Wep right now in general

[junior needle]

I heard cavalcade is actually alright now on it, but that was one guy saying it awhile back

Also yeah, the autopistol is big shit now

[whole moon]

Oh, I stand corrected then

[minor iron]

yeah i would just keep it for future use if it ever gets a buff, just wanted to know if the roll was halfway decent or if its bricked

[junior needle]

Na it's not bricked yet, I'd roll it in the future

[pearl pawn]

Ok, so I am posting this here, because it was the class I was playing, and that may be part of it.
What in the name of the emperor does 'Midnogg teammate' mean!?

[idle carbon]

wow, look at the stat line
and then wow, look at everything else lol
sometimes the armory likes to taunt me

[midnight mortar]

I have no idea. My best guess is "midnogg" is an insult.

[pearl pawn]

It... did come from an ogryn who was quite pissed about me deleting mutants with my plazmacore

[civic bay]

that's the problem with blues in armory

suuuuper low change of III blessing

so chances are you'll get good stats and maaaaybe a good perk

• garbage blessing

I usually just glance at the stats and maybe grab 370+ as filler along with III blessings (for blue)

[eternal venture]

That’s been a voice line since beta

[idle carbon]

I keep stuff like that just in case fatshark decide to be nice to their players for once, and change how crafting works to be more lenient

[civic bay]

if you have the dockets that's a solid plan

I don't roll for whites but I do buy all the good greens/blues on all four classes so I can't afford to splurge on semi-bricked blues, personally

[idle carbon]

don't we all after playing for ages
gambling at brunt's aint my style

[fresh mango]

...we have adjusted the Veteran talent tree based on player feedback to make the keystones quicker to reach
who else is excitied for them to make the vet tree way more comfortable to use

[idle carbon]

who else is excited to remake all their builds for a third time

[umbral scaffold]

Me me me I am I am

Im so fucking excited

🥹

[karmic musk]

For nerf?

[whole moon]

I hate tree changes cos the knock on effects are too much for my simple brain to adjust to

[civic bay]

my support Focus Target build is so comfy already, even if I can't alter it at all. can't wait for more flexibility in the tree

[fresh mango]

Thats the fun of it, you get to make the same build again but even better

[whole moon]

Aaah each to their own, I get my fun from smashing heretics faces in, sometimes with a rock

[idle carbon]

what they really aught to do is move Scavenger to that central node right before the grenades at 0.75% regen
then, in Scavenger's aura spot, put in +15% ranged finesse, or something on the same power level as the other two auras

[fresh mango]

Im not excitied having to remake my recon vet and pplas trooper builds

[civic bay]

I come from RPGs so I love theorycrafting, but I can see why having to adjust your builds when you just want something that works can get annoying

[fresh mango]

I wholely agree, scav being on the left feels awful

[karmic musk]

Scav being anywhere is annoying

[civic bay]

scav being mandatory feels awful

I have one build with Scav because mandatory, and another same but better build without Scav in case another savior brings it for us

[idle carbon]

scav will still be mandatory, but at least you can't avoid picking it with that setup lol

[civic bay]

and by better I mean it has like... two more skills 🤣

[idle carbon]

I geniunely hope fatshark does that, it would make going around the tree feel so much better

[fresh mango]

they should make scav base tbqh

[idle carbon]

even in it's current, ugly state

[civic bay]

they could tack it on to all three Vet auras and make the left side weakpoint damage or something

but I wouldn't count on it

[idle carbon]

hence putting in a regular aura spot right before the grenades, like psyker who has a few similar things

[fresh mango]

replace scav with an aura that boosts idk reload and attack speed

[karmic musk]

They have the base form, it's the unupgraded Scav

[civic bay]

for now I'm just hoping they rearrange things in a sane way

[desert hawk]

Vet tree gets trimmed, we just lose nodes.

the monkey's paw curls

[fresh mango]

They should merge the nodes

But theyll probably just snip them off

[civic bay]

they just remove agile engagement, demolition stockpile, field improv, bring it down, precision strikes, etc...

[karmic musk]

Surely if they nerf us a third time, we will be the same power level as the other classes

Thats how good Vet is

[fresh mango]

like instead of having several +5% dmgs or +5% reload speeds, have just 1-2 +10% of each

[torpid fractal]

helbore mk1 is hilarious overkill

[civic bay]

now you don't have to worry about not having points for those skills

'cause they don't exist

[fresh mango]

honestly

remove demo expert

useless talent

[idle carbon]

I kinda like nade spam tho

krak for everyone

you kinda need it on damnation hi-int and auric lol

[umbral scaffold]

Make demo expert part of scavenger >: )

[fresh mango]

how about this: remove demo, give vet a new gun that has a grenade launcher underbarrel with a rifle

[karmic musk]

Shredder is good for Rager/mauler packs

[idle carbon]

ogrynheimer say oooohh ahhh

[umbral scaffold]

Waitttt actually regening grenade on an autic with no ammo ?

[civic bay]

as if it wasn't mandatory enough lol

[eternal venture]

Nades on demand is super powerful

[umbral scaffold]

Never thought of that

[torpid fractal]

I love shredder, especially when rocking a helbore that can already mess up armor

[fresh mango]

Underbarrel mods do exist in WH right? im not imagining that

[karmic musk]

Grenade Stockpile is Survivalist for grenades, also mandatory imo

[eternal venture]

You either become Grail Knight (delete a crusher every 60 seconds) or you control an entire horde and kill all of the specials and ragers inside of it

[civic bay]

Scav + Demolition Expert along with proper ammo management means you can last with minimal to no ammo/grenade pickups yourself

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah

[eternal venture]

Combi-weapons are the generic category of… well, combination weapons in 40k

[umbral scaffold]

Mostly for autoguns though afaik

[fathom edge]

hmmm

[whole moon]

Iirc it would have been under wargear options

[fresh mango]

Yeah..if only

[umbral scaffold]

Not even GL are a thing afaik

[idle carbon]

grenade stockpile is excessivelly good, though IMO it's not an absolute requirement like scav is
still very hard to not pick it tho, I go for it 9 times out of 10

[umbral scaffold]

But combi could be considered ubderbarrels ig too

[woeful hare]

DId the devs confirm the recon lasgun nerf?

[umbral scaffold]

The what now

[midnight mortar]

What do you mean "confirm"?

It was intentional, but that was like 2 patches ago.

[whole moon]

Yeah this is confusing my memory too, the underbarrel plasma

[woeful hare]

It was never in the notes.

[karmic musk]

Think he meant the SHock Trooper changes, which were not listed

[midnight mortar]

It was.

Oh.

[fresh mango]

Grenade launchers do exist

[umbral scaffold]

I dont like that you reminded me of this

[fresh mango]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Grenade_Launcher

[midnight mortar]

Well, yeah are you asking about Shocktrooper or the changes to the VId's flak damage? Or the VId's crit string?

[karmic musk]

wtf is this crap

[fresh mango]

get on it fat shark

[hearty panther]

Of course grenade launchers are real, they killed JFK

[umbral scaffold]

I honestly wish I could tell you but when I look at it too long I start feeling lightheaded

[fresh mango]

if only JFKs death was that cool

[trim steppe]

"The recon is passible? Kill it! What do you mean it's still holding on? Hit it again!"

[whole moon]

I really wanna see that bolter action now. I mean... Just fucking HOW?

[karmic musk]

The techpriest that made it got executed

[hearty panther]

Yeah but I get why they used the underbarrel sniper rifle instead

[woeful hare]

shock trooper changes related to the recon lasguns. I can see bug reports for it on the forums and fs acknowledged them as a bug.

[umbral scaffold]

Another bolter-plasma where the magazine goes into the plasma's heat sink things(????????????)

Fatshark more weapons pls i beg. I do not want a more variants for a weapon i dont even use.

Even ogryn needs more

[karmic musk]

10 more tac axe variants

[midnight mortar]

So, the fact that shocktrooper only refunds the first crit in a string? What exactly are they reporting as bugs that FS acknowledged?

[fresh mango]

[woeful hare]

I never saw any changes to how it works with the recon lasguns after the patch where it stopped working.

[bitter turtle]

FS: the bug is that people are still trying to use recon

more nerfs

[woeful hare]

I was just curious if that nerf was in the notes somewhere.

[bitter turtle]

nah

[midnight mortar]

Shocktrooper never stopped working though, as far as I know.

[bitter turtle]

it wasn't

if you mean the change where it only refunds teh 1st shot of a crit string

everything else was in the notes except it

that was the nail in the coffin too

[fresh mango]

wait they made shocktrooper..not work with rapid fire lasgun?

Why?

[woeful hare]

because fs hates the recon

[midnight mortar]

The VId had 3 weeks of relevance at being average.

[trim steppe]

Because fk the recon thats why

[midnight mortar]

So FS killed it and the talent it relied on was also altered.

[fresh mango]

that’s fuckin stupid

[bitter turtle]

it would already be meh territory without that nerf, but it went to meme status thanks to the shocktrooper being kill

its one thing to do lwoer dmg than other guns

but also huffing 2x the ammo b/c of that nerf lol

[fresh mango]

I’ll stick with my head hunter and auto guns then

[midnight mortar]

Fatshark again not understanding that the Recon was a mediocre family of guns with ONE variant that was solely propped up to viable because of its interaction with the talent tree.

[fresh mango]

and my new plas toy

[spark helm]

People should dump some talent trees for me. I want to fuck around with other people's ideas.

[umbral scaffold]

The recon being so ass when the brauto and IAGs have been good pretty consistently is a crime

I want my full auto energy weapon back

[trim steppe]

The thing that kills me is that the 6d wasn't even amazing, it was just good and fun. After almost a year of being terrible. And they looked at that and said "naw fk that" and killed it

[fresh mango]

Fatshark when a talent makes a weapon semi viable:

[umbral scaffold]

We dont have a hellgun so its the closest thing we had and they made it non-viable

[woeful hare]

that was the first time the recon felt viable.

[fresh mango]

give us melta or helgun you fuck nuggets

[woeful hare]

now it's back to being a trash gun that wastes ammo

[trim steppe]

Not even op, just simply viable

[woeful hare]

Yeah I never felt it was OP with the shock trooper talent.

[spark helm]

Where the lasgun talent builds at

Dump em

[trim steppe]

They in the garbage where they belong

[midnight mortar]

Believe me, it was greatly grieved for in this channel back when it happened.

[spark helm]

Strictly wrong but go on

[midnight mortar]

3 Weeks of relevance for my discount hellgun.

[trim steppe]

We are complaining about recons. The others are fine

[spark helm]

Oh I ignore that thing no bullshit lmao

[fresh mango]

here’s a mark plas gun build I was gonna run later

[atomic zephyr]

i just got off the craziest auric round

[spark helm]

Hm. I despise voc but I can do it

[atomic zephyr]

the director glitched and never stopped spawning hordes

until the very last section

this was magistrati oubliette hi intensity lights out

[trim steppe]

Thats a rare but fun bug

[atomic zephyr]

im so glad i brought a plasma gun and frags lmao

[fresh mango]

VoC is awesome

[trim steppe]

I've only gotten it once

[grave cargo]

That was a crazy one

[fresh mango]

I LOVE the synergy with the talent that reduces cooldown on elite kill

[grave cargo]

I can play so

DUMB with the revolver

[spark helm]

Its certainly not bad

[grave cargo]

It has such good dodges

[atomic zephyr]

that talent is incredible w/ executioner stance as well

its just a really good talent

[grave cargo]

Oh there's an entire horde trying to kill me

[fresh mango]

I enjoy it for its support capabilities

[spark helm]

And when I would want it, I just don't it lmao

[grave cargo]

Just gonna dodge dance while headshotting four flamers and a sniper

[fresh mango]

I’ve clutched a ton of matches with the Res node

[spark helm]

Doable

[fresh mango]

slide in, shout loudly, teammates fight harder

[spark helm]

Let me in

[grave cargo]

Yeah like

This is goofy

[spark helm]

It's great

[trim steppe]

I feel like the shout works mechanically but it also works psychologically on other players. They feel it and dig deeper for the urge to purge

[grave cargo]

I love my baby

[spark helm]

Minus all the crusader shit yeah its momentus

[grave cargo]

Two shot maulers

[spark helm]

Especially when used offensively

[grave cargo]

Three shot crushers

1 for both during ult with a crit

[fresh mango]

I have a stupid good revolver…on my psyker

[grave cargo]

30 second ults

Oh yeah

[spark helm]

Go gun psyker

[grave cargo]

It's Cadia Lives time

[fresh mango]

I do

[spark helm]

Do it

[fresh mango]

Ohhhh I do

[tall torrent]

Is this still usable

[trim steppe]

Does assail rending still work? That shit is goofy lol

[karmic musk]

Non-shared inventory

[grave cargo]

Yeah Revolver is probably a little overtuned atm

It probably shouldn't 1 tap crushers

But it does

[spark helm]

I'm fine with it tbh

[grave cargo]

I'm also running max reload perks so that helps

[bitter turtle]

you dont even need reload speed

because of weapon specialist

[grave cargo]

If it was a few patches ago this would have been disgusting

[fresh mango]

I got TWO gun psykers

[bitter turtle]

it literally has infinite clip size

[grave cargo]

Nah this is my sharpshooter

[proven plaza]

why di morons always have voice in quickplay, then get everyone killed in the first 3 minutes?

[grave cargo]

Not my trencher

[fresh mango]

laspistol goes crazy stupid

[bitter turtle]

i dont midn if it stays the same

ppl who enjoy strong weapons can enjoy them

[fresh mango]

assail is still very good yes, shreds hordes and elites

[bitter turtle]

im ok with the state of balance of guns for vet atm besides the dumb enrf recon ate tbh

[grave cargo]

Technically not max toughness, because my curios are only 16% toughness instead of 17%

[fresh mango]

crushers and maulers…just whip out the dueling sword

[bitter turtle]

im mostly play vraks7 now and it feels really good to play

[grave cargo]

But max toughness with some gunner res and revive speed

Thinking of swapping that for stamina regen tbh

[fresh mango]

Do you have the talent that gives you increased toughness resist too?

[grave cargo]

Yeah iron will

[fresh mango]

Sounds pretty strong

For me, just for comfort, i’d probably swap a 17% curio for a wound curio

[grave cargo]

It's pretty useless unless you specifically get toughness on elite kill because then you just regen and take like 11 damage from a hit

I also take the toughness on weakspot kill one

So I'm running around with 50%+30% DR + whatever minor bonus I get from the team DR

[gilded cobalt]

melk is selling this. this any good?

[karmic musk]

Wounds increase your loss rate

[grave cargo]

This is my build

[karmic musk]

why go all the way just for duck and dive

you don't have deadshot anyways

[grave cargo]

It's incredibly useful for sprinting while being shot at

Basically gives you infinite sprint

[karmic musk]

There is also the option to go Iron Will and Specialist kill cdr if you take those 2 points, the shared Exe stance vision and one reload feat off

[trim steppe]

At one point (maybe still?) the hand-cannon blessing on revolver would give the rending bonus to your assail, so assail would just obliterate everything

[grave cargo]

I would need 4 points to get Iron Will

[fresh mango]

Definitely hasn’t for me, saved me more times then it’s let me down if anything

[grave cargo]

And I'd only get 3 back from taknig those off

[fresh mango]

Maybe the new tree will let you get iron will easier

[karmic musk]

you would need to take off one reload feat

[grave cargo]

I do have an alt version that ditches tactical reload to get iron will instead

But tbh tactical reload is extremely useful

Don't sleep on it