I still dont see these legandary V7 users
#veteran-class
frank ether
ebon umbra
LOL
frank ether
All talk and havent ran into a single one
gusty bison
Nah helbore has highed dps than plasma
tall torrent
Suppression immunity for player is different
When you get suppressed by an enemy, your aim wobbles all over and you can’t shoot accurately (like when a gunner is firing directly at you)
Suppression immunity allows u to shoot straight when getting shot at by gunners & reapers essentially
gusty bison
Plasma is just easier to use
frank ether
I've seen like at minimum 30 laspistol users over various classes though
fast wind
Nah helbore has highed dps than plasma
helbore does not infinitely penetrate through crowds
cosmic jacinth
Suppression immunity for player is different
When you get suppressed by an enemy...
Ooo, ty that's useful
sly niche
What should I change on this?
frank ether
Similarly with helbore the only one I've seen is me
delicate estuary
I still dont see these legandary V7 users
yea cause V7 is like fine aged wine
ebon umbra
I've seen like at minimum 30 laspistol users over various classes though
what about the recon lasgun psykers
fast wind
it doesn't matter how much dps your helbore can theoretically put out if a bulwark is in the way
gusty bison
helbore does not infinitely penetrate through crowds
Carapace targets stand up and aboce the crowd
delicate estuary
average pepega uses revolver
ebon umbra
tall torrent
What should I change on this?
Upgrade deadly accurate to 3~4
Crit chance -> maniac/unyielding
gusty bison
I've seen like at minimum 30 laspistol users over various classes though
Laspistol is easier to pickup but harder to master.
A lot of people just go autofire mod and spam bodyshots
And if ur bodyshot spamming then a lot of guns kinda just... suck. On vet
ebon umbra
i mostly see revolver and plasma now. I see zealots with bolters and occasionally zealots and psykers with laspistols. sometimes psykers with the v7
frank ether
yea cause V7 is like fine aged wine
or rather it received MASSIVE buffs and Vraks 3 had to be nerfed at the same patch for it to come to spotlight
fast wind
by the way, how would y'all recommend building out a plasma? i've got one that i think would be pretty good, but i'm not sure what to put on it. recommended blessings/perks?
delicate estuary
or rather it received MASSIVE buffs and Vraks 3 had to be nerfed at the same pat...
dunno man v7 can 2 shot crushers
robust mesa
gets hot seems to be pretty good
delicate estuary
robust mesa
blaze away as well
gusty bison
by the way, how would y'all recommend building out a plasma? i've got one that i...
Unarmoured, Unyielding, Gloryhunter, Gets Hot
robust mesa
by the way, how would y'all recommend building out a plasma? i've got one that i...
check pinned messages as well
frank ether
2 shot under what conditions
fast wind
Unarmoured, Unyielding, Gloryhunter, Gets Hot
unarmored?
gusty bison
Unarmoured
tall torrent
dunno man v7 can 2 shot crushers
Surgical + deadly accurate + VF + marksman + bring it down + 10% rending?
ebon umbra
by the way, how would y'all recommend building out a plasma? i've got one that i...
flak
maniac
gets hot
blaze away
fast wind
Unarmoured
why?
gusty bison
flak
maniac
gets hot
blaze away
Do not take flak on a plasma lol
delicate estuary
Surgical + deadly accurate + VF + marksman + bring it down + 10% rending?
is bring it down the ogryn node under exe stance ?
gusty bison
Or maniac
frank ether
stack every damage talent-blessing in existence and the sniper themed gun can hurt carapace wowie
tall torrent
is bring it down the ogryn node under exe stance ?
No, the +20% Ogryn/monster dmg talent
ebon umbra
Do not take flak on a plasma lol
mauler is flak?
delicate estuary
No, the +20% Ogryn/monster dmg talent
its probably full left based ont he screenshot I was sent
delicate estuary
stack every damage talent-blessing in existence and the sniper themed gun can hu...
yea maybe learn how to use said damage modifiers
tall torrent
its probably full left based ont he screenshot I was sent
Oh then it’s not as valuable imo
frank ether
yea maybe learn how to use said damage modifiers <:KEKW_ogryn:102207718832290616...
stand still and hold ads, so difficult
delicate estuary
stand still and hold ads, so difficult
dont even have to stand still
ebon umbra
Ur dinking it in the head =.=
wdym dinking it can you like explain to me instead of dunking on me?
gusty bison
Headshot
ebon umbra
i do headshot
gusty bison
Cos plasma gives no shits about carapace
ebon umbra
is it overkill?
delicate estuary
people forgetting you can max out marksman keystone with 2 headshots is still astonishing to me
midnight mortar
The mauler's head is carapace.
gusty bison
i do headshot
Then mauler is Carapace. Not flak.
midnight mortar
You're going for headshots.
ebon umbra
OH
ebon umbra
Then mauler is Carapace. Not flak.
bruh
frank ether
Again months of talking about how V7 is good tier, pulling the skill issue card
yet I see no videos
gusty bison
Again months of talking about how V7 is good tier, pulling the skill issue card
Hold mah beer
frank ether
I just want to see one game where you dont stand still and go around nuking crushers
ebon umbra
maulers have two different modifiers am i understanding this??
frank ether
without getting babysit
frank ether
I do not give a shit
gusty bison
Just hard AF
midnight mortar
maulers have two different modifiers am i understanding this??
Just go into the psykhanium and hit them once in the body with your melee and read the text that pops up.
frank ether
thats what you elevate the gun on
midnight mortar
Then hit them in the head once and read that.
delicate estuary
I just want to see one game where you dont stand still and go around nuking crus...
dont see what is hard about standing still for 2 seconds
getting a headshot and then moving
frank ether
so show me how ''easy'' it is to hunt crushers while you're in a horde
and no taking the camo hunter
since you said you dont have to stand still
do it with the 15 stacks
or stfu
flint garden
maulers have two different modifiers am i understanding this??
yeah maulers are carapace in the face and flak on the body. plenty of elites have different armors depending on body part
delicate estuary
do it with the 15 stacks
Iw ould if I had points
gusty bison
And familiarize yourself
frank ether
Iw ould if I had points
just learn to build 4head
delicate estuary
just learn to build 4head
yea true
ebon umbra
like im gonna go to the psykhanium and test every ass and tit of every enemy
i go to the psykhanium and practice and test but there is a community lol
shoutout creature spawner mod
tame lichen
Am I wrong for leaving auric mealtrom ready lobbies if I see players with no tier 4 blessings
ebon umbra
yes
gusty bison
Am I wrong for leaving auric mealtrom ready lobbies if I see players with no tie...
Yes.
Because a lot of weps dont need T4 blessings
ebon umbra
leave if the whole team's builds are fucked and incompatible
placid portal
Or power cycler
tame lichen
meaning if I see a vet with PS and no cycler 4
gusty bison
meaning if I see a vet with PS and no cycler 4
Cycler 3 still works
tame lichen
idk about that
gusty bison
It stillallows for most combos
ebon umbra
meaning if I see a vet with PS and no cycler 4
i would probably leave if like 2 guys look like they are gonna die 3 minutes in and the 4th guy looks like they can survive but not with 2 and 3
at least thats how i do for me
lots of people carry higher
i just try to stick with 2 decent teammates
thats it
tame lichen
More often than not these players end up dying first consistently, and usually dont have maxxed out weapons.
Ratio between players who farm Max blessing and are good to those that dont is like 8:2 in my experience
gusty bison
Tbh the gap between a god roll and a "passable" weapon is negligible
Bar like, a few exceptions
tame lichen
Ratio between players who farm Max blessing and are good to those that dont is l...
*Those that sat and farm for days for single blessing usually end up being better as a result of time played
gusty bison
Plasma for instance doesnt need blessings at all
frank ether
Tbh the gap between a god roll and a "passable" weapon is negligible
its all down to the weapon
either you're short of breakpoints or not
terse idol
Unarmoured
Unarmoured?\
frank ether
kinda all or nothing mentality in this game
terse idol
Like Flak
gusty bison
Unarmoured?\
Unarmoured
gusty bison
You need to consistantly one tap crushers imo
Crushers.
Flak.
What
terse idol
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
gusty bison
Theres a lot more dreg gunners than crushers
ebon umbra
I'm not convinced
stagger can sometimes save a friend
gusty bison
And having to 2 tap gunners is a PAIN ammo wise
tame lichen
what weapon tho
gusty bison
Plasma
terse idol
If you just hit a headshot on a dreg gunner you're gonna cause him to take a dirt nap, how you gonna deal with Scab gunners
frank ether
crushers are melee at the end of the day
frank ether
and your plasma has insane pen
tame lichen
I dont trust mysself with Plasma gun, just use revolver
frank ether
depending on your melee you can just handle the crusher up close
terse idol
Can you not one shot them with a headshot?
terse idol
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
frank ether
like a shovel, ps or chsword will just eat a crusher you know?
ebon umbra
plasma isnt that complicated it is okay, you dont need to min max ammo perfectly
placid portal
Not even elite?
delicate estuary
Heres the issue.
Ur 2 shotting gunners
there is infinite ammo
gusty bison
Not even elite?
Not even
terse idol
Crusher won't take it down fast enough I feel
placid portal
Dman
gusty bison
Theres an EXTREMELY tight BP u can pull off here with a max god roll plasma
frank ether
ok I understand why you may think so
terse idol
I swear by Carapace, Flak
terse idol
hmmmmmm
frank ether
you do the push attack and aim for the head
ebon umbra
i didnt know about multi armor type values on enemies until literaly today and i still play auric mael and fulfill my role with most of the team's elites and special kills
terse idol
I'll try it
frank ether
I've hit like 1000+ hits on carapace with shovel
ebon umbra
banned
midnight mortar
i didnt know about multi armor type values on enemies until literaly today and i...
Just means you don't care much, but want to reap the benefits from those who care more than you I guess?
terse idol
Still feels like shovel is pretty blessing dependant
frank ether
I'm really enjoying uncanny shovel
you also have the dodge count to quickly get out if things go out of control
ebon umbra
Just means you don't care much, but want to reap the benefits from those who car...
Yes
midnight mortar
Don't get all bothered if people call out your lack of knowledge when you don't express interest in experimenting/learning yourself.
tame lichen
If only armor had stats so I could get fire resistance and not waste a curio perk
gusty bison
you also have the dodge count to quickly get out if things go out of control
And stagger everything.
terse idol
Well I mean you're here to learn sooo you caaan learn to be fair 
placid portal
Still feels like shovel is pretty blessing dependant
All Weapons must be blessed by omnissiah for greater effect
terse idol
Some are good out of the box
ebon umbra
Don't get all bothered if people call out your lack of knowledge when you don't ...
bro i was trying to convey you dont need to know every detail about the plasma to use it
midnight mortar
Not like going into the psykhanium and testing builds is a major time committment anyway.
terse idol
some...
ebon umbra
Not like going into the psykhanium and testing builds is a major time committmen...
i do it and i missed something. it happens lol
terse idol
bro i was trying to convey you dont need to know every detail about the plasma t...
Well this is certainly why we're having this conversation, first time I heard about running unarmoured on Pgun
midnight mortar
Sure, there's every detail and then there's knowing that the Mauler wears a carapace head versus a flak armor body.
terse idol
And not Flak and Carapace
frank ether
And stagger everything.
makes up for its lacking cleave but with the amount of carapace damage it does, thats acceptable
terse idol
ebon umbra
Sure, there's every detail and then there's knowing that the Mauler wears a cara...
we werent just talking about that and i said my mistake was simple bro
gusty bison
It doesnt change any breakpoint
ebon umbra
whst else do you want
tame lichen
Isnt plasma supposed to ignore armor at full charge?
terse idol
Alright maybe you convinced me
gusty bison
Isnt plasma supposed to ignore armor at full charge?
Plasma has some interesting damage modifiers
whole moon
ebon umbra
you put in another 1k hours in the psykanoum, i'll go spend another 30 and play the game
midnight mortar
whst else do you want
Nothing? You just seemed really mad about expectations.
gusty bison
It does MORE damage to flak than unarmoured, for instance
frank ether
Isnt plasma supposed to ignore armor at full charge?
It will penetrate but Idk about ignore
whole moon
Shame about the bayonet 😦
terse idol
Nobody playing 1k hours in the psykanarium, let's keep it civil y'aaalll
We just learning
midnight mortar
It makes sense if someone doesn't catch say, the interaction between charge rate and damage on a plasma. It makes less sense that someone never hit a mauler in 2 different spots and read the damage text.
flat pebble
Nobody playing 1k hours in the psykanarium, let's keep it civil y'aaalll
how dare you talk this way about crab
ebon umbra
i only headshot maulers lol
ebon umbra
besides follow ups if im off by 100
flat pebble
i will defend crab’s honor in any discord chat at any time
terse idol
Like Carapace penetrating
whole moon
I miss crab
gusty bison
Alright maybe you convinced me
Carapace kinda has a point, but it comes up a bit too rarely for me to run it
Oh right u might need maniac for flamers
Cant rmb if that BP is hittable without
gusty bison
Ye
ebon umbra
Nobody playing 1k hours in the psykanarium, let's keep it civil y'aaalll
this also. sorry if i was a dick @midnight mortar
terse idol
ebon umbra
it is annoying not getting something and someone just going lol have you tried this?? haha emoji u fucking IDIOT
flat pebble
i mean i don’t recommend this for every gun but just especially plasmas because they have so many interacting stats i really just say take them to the meat grinder and see what breakpoints might need approaching
frank ether
you put in another 1k hours in the psykanoum, i'll go spend another 30 and play ...
crab moment
gusty bison
Funfact, mauler is actually one of those enemies that 80% of weapons want to bodyshot instead of headshot
terse idol
I want to just see how low we can go with Charge rate for PS, once the left click CR bug is fixed
flat pebble
Funfact, mauler is actually one of those enemies that 80% of weapons want to bod...
80% feels low
gusty bison
80% feels low
The axes exist
terse idol
The difference between that and maybe like 70% is gonna be miniscule
flat pebble
The axes exist
all 3?
gusty bison
Yea all the combat axes have a carapace busting heavy
frank ether
Funfact, mauler is actually one of those enemies that 80% of weapons want to bod...
even chainaxe?
gusty bison
even chainaxe?
Ah rigjt
flat pebble
are those 3 axes between 15 and 20 percent of the weapons in the game
gusty bison
Knew i was forgetting something
gusty bison
are those 3 axes between 15 and 20 percent of the weapons in the game
Plasma
frank ether
lol chaxe so irrelevant no one even remembers it exists
gusty bison
Voidstrike
flat pebble
Plasma
at this point we both know my initial comment was a joke but there’s like 100 weapons in the game
frank ether
why'd I use that over thammer for zealot
zealous wyvern
are those 3 axes between 15 and 20 percent of the weapons in the game
honestly does not sound too far off
gusty bison
at this point we both know my initial comment was a joke but there’s like 100 we...
Yea theres a surprising amount if cara busters. Is what i meant xD
Also columnus IAGs with onslaught wants to go for the head
flat pebble
we do have more than we used to thanks to some nice changes
zealous wyvern
if you go by vet melee
frank ether
columnus has no right to be as good as it is being a cara killer
hmm
I wonder
would onslaught bring kantrael las to do ok carapace damage
zealous wyvern
but this was not melee only
gusty bison
would onslaught bring kantrael las to do ok carapace damage
Nop
zealous wyvern
so it is more like 7
gusty bison
The MG4 kicks too hard to chain headshots at optimal range
flat pebble
i was wondering why it would be bad on the iv
frank ether
Nop
yeah probably not. I'm just looking for an excuse to throw the kantrael IV I made into my weapon specialist build
gusty bison
Kanny 4 is... a weird gun
flat pebble
they should make it a burst gun
frank ether
its like a worse version of laspistol rn
gusty bison
Main issue with the MG4 is it has reverse falloff, high rof AND high recoil
Thats not a good combo
flat pebble
i want another and the mg4 has basically no niche as it is rn anyway
frank ether
Main issue with the MG4 is it has reverse falloff, high rof AND high recoil
as if thats not bad enough, it expects you to use headhunter+deadly accurate
thorn yoke
Doesn't columnus need rending/brittle nodes to properly handle carapace?
gusty bison
Doesn't columnus need rending/brittle nodes to properly handle carapace?
Just one
flat pebble
yeah ofc
gusty bison
Onslaught
zealous wyvern
do not call it kanny
gusty bison
Its a bunch of things that fights itself
flat pebble
you killed kanny
frank ether
I feel like they should just add longlas
and then rework infantry las a bit
dont think IV should be a marksman gun
thorn yoke
why rework infantry las? You can have Snipers and DMRs in the same game
frank ether
they're kinda odd as ''marksman'' flavored guns with terrible carapace damage
gusty bison
The infantry lasguns all need a new niche imho
frank ether
yeah the deadly accurate shtick is amazing for vraks
but really not that great for infantry las
gusty bison
I Las has worse finesse and kicks too much
flat pebble
we did just have a long ass spell where anti shooter builds sucked because no exhilarating takedown
gusty bison
The best anti shooter guns are the ones that can 1 tap body on shooters tbh
frank ether
well it works now and infantry las still kinda sucks except the high damage one where you just one tap gunners
flat pebble
the mg1a feels pretty great rn imo it just really needed that toughness talent
frank ether
I guess infantry la not bad on paper either
gusty bison
And MG12's main issue is why the eff arent u using a helbore
midnight mortar
well it works now and infantry las still kinda sucks except the high damage one ...
I think in the end it's alright if the Kantraels are some weird subpar middle ground.
frank ether
see this is what I meant earlier
flat pebble
And MG12's main issue is why the eff arent u using a helbore
for a long time the exact reverse opinion was had lmao
frank ether
when I said
midnight mortar
Though yes, they don't have a good niche.
frank ether
heavy laspistol for general use
helbore for carapace
throw all the other lasguns to garbage
delicate estuary
And MG12's main issue is why the eff arent u using a helbore
eh I would prefer not to have to charge my attack everytime
gusty bison
for a long time the exact reverse opinion was had lmao
The funny thing is the helbore has been the better weapon since... May
delicate estuary
mk12 has served me fine with PS
and if I want to deal with crushers it can do 600 damage per headshot at 10 stacks
gusty bison
eh I would prefer not to have to charge my attack everytime
HB2 shoots full charged shots faster than MG12 can reset recoil
thorn yoke
I mean, the Kantrael 12 had its time in the sun... I'm glad Hellbore is ascendant now.
gusty bison
I mean, the Kantrael 12 had its time in the sun... I'm glad Hellbore is ascenda...
The MG12 frankly has been overrated for a LONG time
delicate estuary
HB2 shoots full charged shots faster than MG12 can reset recoil
just dislike the whole charging gimmick and the fact you have to turn on your rifle
frank ether
I think in the end it's alright if the Kantraels are some weird subpar middle gr...
They're eating better than recons but thats not exactly a high bar. A gun like Kantrael IV shouldnt kick harder than heavy las while doing similar dps, its silly
flat pebble
if i’m replacing my mg12 with a helbore is the 3
delicate estuary
mk12 I can just swap to whenever I want and click it whenever I want without having to play a minigame
gusty bison
Probably March tbh
gusty bison
The first HB buff was enough to take it over the MG12
delicate estuary
mk12 has treated me fine even if its harder to use
frank ether
adding longlas to fill DMR niche would solve a lot of problems for infant las family
flat pebble
yeah idk helbores seem to be the harder to use family
thorn yoke
I've been having some slight ammo efficiency issues on the Kantraels that I haven't had on the helbores
gusty bison
HB is harder to pickup, but not that hard to master
ebon umbra
ngl i kinda want less ammo pickups and lower ammo for some of the heavy hitters but i dont think that is a good move for the playerbase as a whole
delicate estuary
But it has a much lower potential cap than HB
if they remove the swap animation for HB I might consider playing them more
flat pebble
if not the family that is more personal preference
gusty bison
if they remove the swap animation for HB I might consider playing them more
If they remove the swap ani the HB would be blatantly OP
frank ether
I dont think hb1-2 is that difficult
gusty bison
Thats its only weakness
flat pebble
hb3 is such a boat of a gun
frank ether
hb3 is more of an acquired taste gun but 1-2 they are easier to use than many guns in the game
flat pebble
hb2 is the happy medium helbore
delicate estuary
If they remove the swap ani the HB would be blatantly OP
at least then they can adjust numbers and make it a weapon without an annoying gimmick that adds nothing to the gameplay experience
frank ether
especially hb2 is so fast
thorn yoke
I've been playin gwith the HB1 recently since the slight edge in power (and keeping the stabby bayonet) is nice
flat pebble
even thought technically the helbore 1 is the literal medium
gusty bison
at least then they can adjust numbers and make it a weapon without an annoying g...
Issue with the HB is the numbers are hard to adjust without making it a MG12 clone
At that point
thorn yoke
HB1 lets me bodyshot more things from laziness than HB2
gusty bison
One of the weirdest things about the HB is it doesnt get reverse falloff
While the Kanny doed
frank ether
I'm actually not a fan of the marksman keystone for hb
gusty bison
Which makes HB the superior cqc gun
flat pebble
hb has insane base damage
the 2 is very normal damage
delicate estuary
Issue with the HB is the numbers are hard to adjust without making it a MG12 clo...
the charging animation is still unique to it but the whole swap mechanic is stupid and a perfect comparison is the plasma gun vs bolter swap animation
gusty bison
the 2 is very normal damage
It has great damage multipliers though
frank ether
the 2 is very normal damage
sure 2 needs headshots but thats probably because you shoot too fast to get crits in time
flat pebble
sure i just mean you do actually want the weak spot hits on the 2
gusty bison
Which makes the decently high base damage sing
flat pebble
it’s not so good you can just ignore them outright
gusty bison
the charging animation is still unique to it but the whole swap mechanic is stup...
I mean. If it shoots as fast as the MG12 (or faster actually), its effective rof is just the same
frank ether
yeah I get you
gusty bison
Plasma vs bolter? Whats the issue there
flat pebble
more like what’s the argument
gusty bison
Bolter's main draw is its the ultimate lazyman gun
delicate estuary
Plasma vs bolter? Whats the issue there
why would you use bolter over plasma when you can pull out plasma in like 3 seconds faster for a better effect
and more ammo efficiency
frank ether
Bolter's main draw is its the ultimate lazyman gun
Idk the deadshot build takes some finesse I'd say
gusty bison
why would you use bolter over plasma when you can pull out plasma in like 3 seco...
Bolter is more ammo efficient and i dont need to headshot gunners
delicate estuary
Bolter's main draw is its the ultimate lazyman gun
lazyman gun
flat pebble
bolters main draw is being a the dopamine version of a salt lick for people who remember the 80s
gaunt hinge
i thought ammo efficiency for plasma was fucking horrible
gusty bison
Or anything not an ogryn
delicate estuary
plasma cleaving through 1 million enemies
gusty bison
Yea but u still need to hit heads with it
With bolter its just
Ah. Theres a gunner
delicate estuary
thats assuming you need to conserve ammo on plasma
ebon umbra
plasma can give u top ranged kills when you were only aiming at elites the whole time
flat pebble
i thought ammo efficiency for plasma was fucking horrible
honestly it’s fine as long as u have the ammo aura and aren’t stupid
delicate estuary
ammo is not an issue currently
gusty bison
Lemme just vaguely aim center mass
flat pebble
the bolter?
gusty bison
ammo is not an issue currently
Say that again when u have a glugger ogryn with an achlyes stubber magdumping hordes lol
delicate estuary
Its a very unstable gun
also this
delicate estuary
Say that again when u have a glugger ogryn with an achlyes stubber magdumping ho...
that sounds like you are not running to ammo pickups
gusty bison
that sounds like you are not running to ammo pickups
Im not
flat pebble
yeah i mean in my experience in the current sandbox the plasma is just better bolter
gusty bison
Lol
gusty bison
Cos im not gonna go fight for ammo pickups and get barreled
flat pebble
bolter needs some love since they nerfed pinning fire and adjusted the enemy health pools
ebon umbra
it feels hard to rush ammo pickups when you're killing things. then a teammate runs for it while you're killing
frank ether
I think bolter is fine
gusty bison
bolter needs some love since they nerfed pinning fire and adjusted the enemy hea...
Eh... I like it atm
frank ether
maybe needs a little higher base ammo
gusty bison
It has a deffo niche
frank ether
thats all it probably needs
ebon umbra
im not about to learn optimal routes for ammo so i can strafe appropriately to beat teammates
delicate estuary
the only nice thing about bolter is the fact that your breakpoints are bodyshots on human sized enemies that are not mutants
flat pebble
it’s basically dead on zealot rn
tiny summit
Hadron blessing me with 2 lvl 4 blessings on my first upgraded shovel
gaunt hinge
the way to rush pickups is to use an iauto and slide shoot everything
gusty bison
the only nice thing about bolter is the fact that your breakpoints are bodyshots...
Which tbf is a very nice thing
flat pebble
Hadron blessing me with 2 lvl 4 blessings on my first upgraded shovel
holy fuck
frank ether
Hadron blessing me with 2 lvl 4 blessings on my first upgraded shovel
nice
flat pebble
i mean the first target could be higher but god damn
tiny summit
what perks are good on shovels?
delicate estuary
Which tbf is a very nice thing
yea I dont disagree but I would prefer having the swap animation of a plasma gun instead
delicate estuary
I just use plasma for my frontline builds
not like you need space to use the thing
gusty bison
For frontline i use HB
flat pebble
what perks are good on shovels?
unarmored flak/maniac flak/carapace flak
gusty bison
Plasma i use on my taggin builds
flat pebble
flakiac is the classic
ebon umbra
you can parry so quickly out a plasma weapon swap if u like that
flat pebble
it’s a little weird with the shovel because uncanny
delicate estuary
the only thing that makes bolter bearable is exe stance because you can install pull it
flat pebble
you could do maniac unarmored because uncanny will tear you through most flak
gusty bison
Main annoyance i have on the plasma is somehow I constantly run into teams that will have 2 people going red ammo while im stuck on orange
And I would need to melee half the fkin elites
delicate estuary
that means you are not looting enough
I am on orange/white ammo even when I am not running ammo aura
gusty bison
2 teammates on Red. Ammo
flat pebble
even one ammo sink teammate is so bad for you if you’ve got a plasma gun lol
gusty bison
I see that a lot.
gaunt hinge
to loot quickly you must run +9 stamina and blitz everything
delicate estuary
tbh the only ones that can be excused are gunlugger ogryns
gunlugger ogryn is just too ammo hungry
ebon umbra
stop killing too fast u r letting them ammo hunt
delicate estuary
to be fun
flat pebble
very rare instances
i saw it like a couple days ago. three plasma gun vets, one who like to use it on shooters and hordes
delicate estuary
I mean shooters I can understand @flat pebble
flat pebble
from time to time when you need to the plasma gun totally is fine to point and click at shooters
tiny summit
Gunkers also burn ammo
how dare you, my gun is healthy and almost topped off as a gunker
delicate estuary
like if there is a room of 20-30 shooters plus gunners
gusty bison
Also revolvers areoften poorly used
delicate estuary
I am shooting those shooters
flat pebble
but it’s not any different than using a revolver on shooters. you’re using anti special bullets on non specials
delicate estuary
yea its the duality of man when you use weapons like plasma, revolver, bolter on shooters
you have to use it on them at times
flat pebble
it obviously is a useful flex ability of the revolver and plasma to use on shooters
delicate estuary
but then its just pain
ebon umbra
bolter poxwalkers
gusty bison
Bolter can get away with shooting shooters
tiny summit
if I got ammo and I see a shooter thats a lil too far away Imma shoot
delicate estuary
sometimes you need to magdump into crushers
flat pebble
if I got ammo and I see a shooter thats a lil too far away Imma shoot
yeah but EVERY shooter when you’re using a gun with notorious ammo problems is stupid flavored stupid
gusty bison
sometimes you need to magdump into crushers
Uhh
flat pebble
with stupid filling
gusty bison
Atm ur better off going d for aimed headshots
gusty bison
it will stagger
Ads shots also do this
proper flame
i just quickdraw anything that tags with a revolver and call it a night
worked out for me so far
gotta hit'em with that head remover 5000
flat pebble
if it’s taggable it’s fair game for a bullet
zealous wyvern
id tag that
proper flame
emperor gave me good aim and big bullets for a reason
hollow turtle
Lol play lights out monstrosity maelstrom. Gets a weakened BoN, a weakned Chaos spawn, and a regular BoN all at once.
Me. The guardsman among 3 psykers:
gusty bison
Lol play lights out monstrosity maelstrom. Gets a weakened BoN, a weakned Chaos ...
Time to go invis kek
proper flame
my one beef with the revolver is that its practically a snubnose and you can snipe stuff with it
hollow turtle
proper flame
make the barrel longer cowards
flat pebble
isn’t it literally called the snub
gusty bison
my one beef with the revolver is that its practically a snubnose and you can sni...
Tbf darktide ranges are well within the effective range of a snub nose
astral blade
ya know it kinda makes me sad when i see a person lower than level 30 doing damnation
flat pebble
i don’t know that it’s practically a snubnose
proper flame
i dunno i've sniped a sniper from across maps with that thing, its pretty wild for a snubnose
delicate estuary
ya know it kinda makes me sad when i see a person lower than level 30 doing damn...
if it doesnt hinder the group I dont see anything wrong with it
hollow turtle
What's worse was that my weapon customization mod decided to auto customize my gun when I joined match and gave me an 4x scope...
A 4x scope in lights out..
whole moon
Techpriests love me
gusty bison
What's worse was that my weapon customization mod decided to auto customize my g...
Lel
astral blade
Techpriests love me
the hell
gusty bison
Fucking scope
hollow turtle
Lel. Always gotta turn off that randomization.
flat pebble
if it doesnt hinder the group I dont see anything wrong with it
this is the same as knife zealot stuff. the problem is they tend to hinder
rancid tinsel
what do you guys think? worth the melk bucks to reroll some of the perks/blessings?
proper flame
50 meters??
whole moon
Lel. Always gotta turn off that randomization.
If I told you I made that on purpose no random would you think less of me?
proper flame
i'd say 20 is pushing it
astral blade
what do you guys think? worth the melk bucks to reroll some of the perks/blessin...
nay my friend
gusty bison
50 meters??
50 isnt that far
delicate estuary
what do you guys think? worth the melk bucks to reroll some of the perks/blessin...
thats good
well
it would have been better if you had 5% crit chance
over flak
but is still good
gusty bison
Most pistols have an effective range of 200 with good aim
nocturne mulch
200 meters with a pistol!?
gusty bison
Yea?
delicate estuary
what do you guys think? worth the melk bucks to reroll some of the perks/blessin...
stopping power
nvm
zealous wyvern
yeah bad
gusty bison
200 meters with a pistol!?
Real life aint CoD mate xD
zealous wyvern
no penetration
gusty bison
The main issue is the sights usually arent calibrated for 200m
delicate estuary
what do you guys think? worth the melk bucks to reroll some of the perks/blessin...
thats a good roll but sadly you got trolled at stopping power
gusty bison
But like it has sufficient MOA to reliable hit a mansized target at 200
gusty bison
200meters with a pistol is just hopeful
Nah. People have done 1km+ shots with a pistol
proper flame
i'm just saying you're definitely not gonna be a sharpshooter at 50 meters with a snubnose cracking headshots at every turn
rancid tinsel
thats a good roll but sadly you got trolled at stopping power
how much does it matter? I feel like if I respec it into infernus it shouldnt matter as much with the high crit chance
delicate estuary
how much does it matter? I feel like if I respec it into infernus it shouldnt ma...
inspect the weapon and hover over the stopping power stats
flat pebble
yeah i thought the unbelievable part was the aim not the gun’s accuracy
gusty bison
Not a common feat no?
Nope. But 200 is doable with practice
fast wind
question: i have Blaze Away on my plasma. should i put on Gloryhunter or Gets Hot?
gusty bison
And the right sight
flat pebble
imo gets hot
delicate estuary
how much does it matter? I feel like if I respec it into infernus it shouldnt ma...
this is what I have
as a comparison
proper flame
yeah having a scope would probably help
but i'm talking an ironsight snub nose revolver-
gusty bison
At 200m the main issue isnt the gun's inaccuracy. Its your own aim
placid portal
delicate estuary
At 200m the main issue isnt the gun's inaccuracy. Its your own aim
^^
placid portal
Also alot of external factors
fast wind
imo gets hot
is the crit chance bonus just "50% more of current" of "50% more baseline"?
placid portal
Esp since the bullet loses velocity at a certain distance
flat pebble
is the crit chance bonus just "50% more of current" of "50% more baseline"?
just +50%?
gusty bison
But no one here is gonna be able to keep up the athletics required in a DT mission anyway
fast wind
just +50%?
yeah Gets Hot IV is +50%
zealous wyvern
And the right sight
iron sights
placid portal
Love quick shooting and dodging
flat pebble
current crit would be between like 5 and 10% if you are using a plasma gun
placid portal
gusty bison
iron sights
Iron sights is difficult at 200 but deffo fine at 50
flat pebble
gets hot would be adding +2 to +5 crit if gets hot worked as a modifier
flat pebble
yeah Gets Hot IV is +50%
no i mean it’s the simple answer of the two haha
gusty bison
Ive had to do 300m shots with irons before.
zealous wyvern
i love iron sights
gusty bison
Its actually not that bad
zealous wyvern
i was not trying to disprove anything
flat pebble
Ive had to do 300m shots with irons before.
300 million shots is so much alcohol
gusty bison
Lol
zealous wyvern
i just really like iron sights
placid portal
Iron sights are cool
gusty bison
Depends on the irons imho
whole moon
I love iron sights too, cadet days and marksman challenges, good times
placid portal
It sucks when you are issued a different rifle with a new iron you never learned to use
XP
gusty bison
Also ngl.
Scopes are fucking overrated
proper flame
also i just.. don't see most people, in the field, full of crazed, rabid heretics and plaguewalkers begging to be killed out of mercy, and a goddamn chaos beast or something nurgle cooked up around the corner..
and still cracking headshots with some of the precision guns out here
these people have nerves of steel
placid portal
Esp when you didn't zero'd it in
gusty bison
Like a perfect scope, dialed in, pristinely maintained is amazing
But in practice often the scopes... arent
And you have to deal with scratches, blurring, etc
placid portal
scopes do be needing some baby care
gusty bison
also i just.. don't see most people, in the field, full of crazed, rabid heretic...
I also dont see people being able to run around for 20min while dodging like a madman and sliding.
XD
proper flame
oh, god you're bringing up memories of me trying to use a shitty pellet gun with the cheapest, rinky dink scope on it and not being able to hit a thing with it because i was 7 and didn't know how a scope worked
whole moon
saw someone nearly rip their eye out by not bracing properly and their orbit used the scope to stop the weapon recoil
proper flame
oh true
i'd probably have a heart attack about four minutes into the average mission
placid portal
saw someone nearly rip their eye out by not bracing properly and their orbit use...
God that sucks
makes me remind of ol rifle training stories
gusty bison
Most people would be out of breath before the first enemy lmao
placid portal
The most bruh moment people during firing range
gusty bison
Thats easily a 200m run on most maps with full gear
placid portal
Most people would be out of breath before the first enemy lmao
Gotta take your daily stims and Coffee
proper flame
the first one or two? yeah no biggie. definitely gonna be winded though, but the hordes? the HORDES? i'm deader-than-hell.
probably die from shitting my pants
gusty bison
Also the effort needed to swing an axe is exhausting
proper flame
oh yeah, i know that one.
placid portal
Tbh if a guardsman managed to survive to even called a veteran then I'd say they're built different
gusty bison
Let alone swing it ONE HANDED
ebon umbra
left hand
proper flame
tree recently fell in a yard and i felt all the rust of not living in a house that needed firewood to stay warm for a couple years
definitely could not do that in a fight to the death for an extended period of time like the average vet could
i miss a little bit on a log? no big deal, i still hit wood
i don't kill the rager in one good swing?
i'm definitely not getting swing two in.
ebon umbra
1hp vs a rager is just death
placid portal
Usually we respond to ragers with a gun
gaunt hinge
the danes using axe and shield 
proper flame
we absolutely respond to ragers with a gun
i use my revolver as a rager remover without mercy.
placid portal
Gotta take a shit Ain't got time to do anime sword fighting
zealous wyvern
definitely could not do that in a fight to the death for an extended period of t...
they have training you have not had in years and more
proper flame
or the rock, if i'm playing a big boi
ebon umbra
i switched to dclaw bcuz of ragers but idk i dont think thats an amazing reason to switch
placid portal
parry
whole moon
This affects melee yeah?..... yeah?
placid portal
gusty bison
This affects melee yeah?..... yeah?
Yea
placid portal
gaunt hinge
i switched to dclaw bcuz of ragers but idk i dont think thats an amazing reason ...
dclaw is fun, you can be literally immune to plague ogryns
whole moon
cheers Grawr o7
placid portal
Even parry the chaos attack combo
gaunt hinge
and with enough space you can do chaos spawns too
ebon umbra
dclaw is fun, you can be literally immune to plague ogryns
I like to charge them to break their charge
proper flame
they have training you have not had in years and more
oh yeah. i'm not the worse off physically but i absolutely could not
oh fuck, accidentally pinged. my bad
ebon umbra
i wouldn't use dclaw if i didnt have creature spawner tho
i have died like 100+ times in the psykanium
placid portal
Doing it in game is better way to learn the art of parry
ebon umbra
probably more than 100
placid portal
gusty bison
The most bruh moment people during firing range
This also reminds me when people would submit bug reports about no regs in tarkov cos they dont know what height over bore means
proper flame
how many people do you think download tarkov to try and be their inner tacticool selves they fantasize being and then immediately get clobbered
placid portal
Legit one time we did a zero'ing our sights and after 10 shots we normally wait but the other few just went up and got up to the target boards
gaunt hinge
when the range is not cold
placid portal
And the best part is, the drill instructors are telling them to stop but one of em says, "Yes Sir!" but still walking
hollow turtle
Ended up having a fun squad of 4 veterans. 2 IA, 1 IAG, and a revolver.
Reason we died? 4 way pincer of heavy armor mixed in with horde.
ebon umbra
okay i've been sleeping on the parry
fighting plague ogryns is not horrible to learn with the dclaw either!
gusty bison
And the best part is, the drill instructors are telling them to stop but one of ...
Lmao
Fucking idiots
proper flame
i mean i've been kinda an ogryn main lately so i just tend to pimp slap the hell out of ogryns and beat them down with a shovel
gaunt hinge
standard issue crayon packs
proper flame
but i.. have been craving the good old revolver again..
might be time for some vet runs
hollow turtle
I'll give him credit for walking into a hail of bullets. Granted bullets being friendly fire
ebon umbra
which dclaw y'all use?
placid portal
mk4 is my favorite
ebon umbra
i use 7
placid portal
CHEESE HOLES
placid portal
only reason mk4 is superior
gaunt hinge
I'll give him credit for walking into a hail of bullets. Granted bullets being f...
ogryns in training
gaunt hinge
which dclaw y'all use?
i use whichever one has the round handguard
placid portal
mk1 is a dunk while mk4 & 7 is interchangable
proper flame
the amount of times... the amount of times i've heard people refer to the heatshield on a shotgun as a cheese grater..
gaunt hinge
because it has the single target heavy attack
placid portal
the amount of times... the amount of times i've heard people refer to the heatsh...
LMAO
placid portal
because it has the single target heavy attack
4 & 7 do have the strikedown
good shit
gaunt hinge
its also got the vanguard only light attacks
light into heavy horde clear
if i need to single target something i heavy and parry
placid portal
mk4 does got a brutal clean horizontal combo with heavy 2 light 3
mk7 has horizontal with diagonal iirc
placid portal
dunno I prefer actually aiming
unreal bone
It has pretty good aim
proper flame
yeah shredder actually does kinda fuck, yeah.
unreal bone
it actually has better accuracy than any of the braced autoguns
whole moon
keep it, all it takes for shredder to be on top spot again is another balance patch
gaunt hinge
shredder surpassed by iauto columnus 
unreal bone
which is kinda fucked imo
placid portal
Columnus just Shredaa but can aim and do deeps
braced autos is something Idunno how to make of em tbh
gaunt hinge
only braced auto worth anything is still agri
placid portal
the AK design
delicate moat
what is up with people standing in a corner during hacking objectives
placid portal
Classic
placid portal
Brautos need something that does somethin
placid portal
what is up with people standing in a corner during hacking objectives
dunno tbh
unless carnival
definitely safer there
delicate moat
it happens in all the difficultes too
placid portal
Pog we get free shit??
unreal bone
Yeah
delicate moat
unreal bone
gaunt hinge
they get aquilas, we get trailer boy armor
gaunt hinge
the insignia is also bussin so ill probably equip that
hallow moat
Damn what does console get?
placid portal
Acquillas
unreal bone
Aquilas
placid portal
hallow moat
How much lmao
placid portal
yes
gaunt hinge
they wouldve gotten like, 14k?
unreal bone
Tbh I saw some people complaining about how we don't get aquilas..
But we literally get exclusive armor.
hallow moat
Fuck that I just want more maps and weapons
unreal bone
Fuck em
placid portal
new drip >>> Aquillas
hallow moat
And enemies
placid portal
bitter turtle
idk
placid portal
part 2 is not announced yet
gaunt hinge
only because they made it exclusive
placid portal
So we wait
placid portal
For december and part 2 will be teaser'd
Maybe daemonic incursion will happen and we fight nurglings
unreal bone
What is the other blessing you want for Shredder?
gaunt hinge
where my sniper outfit
start playing zealot and using the slug shotty 
unreal bone
Cavalacade?
hallow moat
Ogryn lowkey look like a crusher
placid portal
Pinning fire
placid portal
yeee
But I think powder burn is also nice but pinning is a bit easier to trigger imo
gaunt hinge
Ogryn lowkey look like a crusher
its not a fully encapsulating helmet, so we arent there yet
placid portal
Will love that new drip for my collection
God I made a mistake to look at Steam discussions
gaunt hinge
dont think ill use anything from psyker
unless the pants are bussin
ive been using the new penance pants for forever now
unreal bone
The Moebian sets in the Vanguard bundle I THINK have the same color of blue as the Krieg sets.
So might be able to mix and match with those
gaunt hinge
if you did that then probably just use the kreig set but swap out the chest armor
placid portal
new drip is welcome for me bc I want new mashup armor
Being a short vet I realise some clothings look weird as heck XDD
unreal bone
I personally plan on combining the Moebian legs with the Krieg coat on Ogryn.
I don't like how the default pants look for the krieg sets where it's baby blue.
delicate estuary
God I made a mistake to look at Steam discussions
I was curious I now am aware
would like to ban you for exposing me
unreal bone
I have no idea where I got this banner from but it's my favorite.
It came with a matching helmet for all classes.
gaunt hinge
I have no idea where I got this banner from but it's my favorite.
warhammer fest
you wouldve gotten the helmet as well
placid portal
Good times
gaunt hinge
you put in a code didnt you
placid portal
You redeem it no?
gaunt hinge
show me your blue helmet
marsh cargo
can i still alt f4 to complete the penance make every shot count?
unreal bone
blue helmet red stripe with balaclava
unreal bone
show me your blue helmet
K we died
Ayo?
Guys the Emperor tryna contact me.
@gaunt hinge
I also have this one that I THINK I got from the darktide shop checker website? Like they were advertising it.
And ofc my beta company
gaunt hinge
I also have this one that I THINK I got from the darktide shop checker website? ...
you got that one for participating in the event thing they did
unreal bone
The blue one came from Warhammer fest did I have to go to something or?
I've never been to no fest lmao
unreal bone
Where did u get the code tho
unreal bone
Maybe I did it without thinking idk.
I never look for codes though the only codes I've ever seen are the ones that get posted on the darktide shop checker third party site
whole moon
hmm. less collateral, less stagger, more headshot?
placid portal
yes
unreal bone
If I get one more lightning slinging psyker in my game..
Hmmm yes do assail or lightning spam right next to the NURGLE BLESSING DAEMONHOST
sage agate
ugh why is it that people lack CC
because cc boring, killing fun!!!
sage agate
i always run either trauma or surge tho bc ik how valuable stunning that crusher about to maul everyone is
unreal bone
Quad 80 Shredder Autopistol and now almost quad 80 Recon
astral blade
because cc boring, killing fun!!!
i'm talking abilities or weapons that are CC related
sage agate
i'm talking abilities or weapons that are CC related
how do you mean? i typically see random zealots with the relic and vets with shout
stun grenade zealots are fairly rare but they're there
umbral scaffold
shotgun fun
sage agate
i don't typically see cc weapons tho unless is thammer
sage agate
shotgun fun
i discovered the joy of shotguns absolutely shredding monstrosities
unreal bone
zealot is the only exception where I run charge zealot
placid portal
God the shotgun chunking HP gives me anxiety
unreal bone
This is gonna sound dumb, but I think the shotguns are poorly designed.
astral blade
how do you mean? i typically see random zealots with the relic and vets with sho...
i mean these past few days i've seen once in a blue moon seen people cc abilities or cc weapons most of the damn time those those its just people with selfish abilities
placid portal
I mean you have a point
unreal bone
Why does the really accurate long range shotgun have the slug round alternate fire
It doesn't need it
placid portal
Their role kinda feel off
astral blade
i mean i'm on oceana servers as well
umbral scaffold
i discovered the joy of shotguns absolutely shredding monstrosities
i usually use the slug one but decided to try the others again recently
unreal bone
The one shotgun that doesn't NEED the slug round alt fire to be useful
and it has it
astral blade
so thats probs a big factor
sage agate
i mean i'm on oceana servers as well
might be a factor, im in US servers
placid portal
I like buckshot
unreal bone
Agripianna should have Incindieary rounds and Kantrael should have the slug rounds.
placid portal
unreal bone
I'm not talking about the standard buckshot fire
I'm talking about the special alt fire shells.
placid portal
Ye
unreal bone
It just feels backwards that the only shotgun with very good base range and spread has the slug alt fire
placid portal
the normal shots are bird shot and the ones we load in lawbringer is buckshot
umbral scaffold
because they want every shotgun to fill a niche rather than one being overall better than others
unreal bone
Well no that's what I'm saying
You give the Kantrael the one with shitty accuracy the slug round alt fire
astral blade
ya know what i would love to see on a vet a nade launcher
unreal bone
it's now a good close range with some longe range utility
and the agrip gets the fire shells
for vice versa
astral blade
does anyone else think a nade launcher on vet would work?
placid portal
I have a feeling vet is gonna get a double barrel shotty
umbral scaffold
slug one fills long range precise niche duckbill shot is adaptable and dragonbreath is good for short range and groups
unreal bone
There is already a model for it
placid portal
YE
unreal bone
yo ucan use the double barrel shotgun with the weapon custo thing.
placid portal
astral blade
yo ucan use the double barrel shotgun with the weapon custo thing.
ya joking me?
placid portal
no
astral blade
why is it we vets dont have a nade launcher?
umbral scaffold
ya joking me?
theres 3 variants of it too
astral blade
It's the shredda
i mean an actual nade launcher numb nuts
umbral scaffold
chill
astral blade
i'm chill dont worry
sage agate
bc oggy gets one idk
it'd be neat but sounds like it'd have even worse ammo economy than the plasma
woven olive
i mean an actual nade launcher numb nuts
i mean with how the plasma rifle works it may be a little redundet to have gl for vet maybe for zealot with incendiary grenades\
astral blade
i mean with how the plasma rifle works it may be a little redundet to have gl fo...
now that probs would fit zealot better lol
still those i kinda feel like vet lacks in the horde clearing department in terms of guns
woven olive
now that probs would fit zealot better lol
4 shot cap with good blast radius and some stagger/suppression would be a good overall weapon
nimble sentinel
does anyone else think a nade launcher on vet would work?
that's pretty much the niche plasma and bolter fill imho
bitter turtle
not really
nimble sentinel
even if we got one that shot frags we'd roast it for shooting the horde
bitter turtle
id imagine a grenade launcher will fill the niche that flamer does on zealot more
woven olive
maybe a low damage "light" plasma gun for vet that focuses on blast radius
bitter turtle
aoe focused
and stagger and wear down elites mixed in with hordes well
but wouldn't exactly be something you whip out and snap a shot on like plasma
woven olive
maybe a low damage "light" plasma gun for vet that focuses on blast radius
half the dps but large blast for hoarde clearing and stagger
astral blade
personally to me a nade launcher would be purely for horde control
mid dps good aoe but a slow reload time something similar to the revolver in terms of reload
astral blade
what if decent middle-of-the-road reload but single shot?
ogryn already has that
nimble sentinel
fair
junior grail
Veteran needs the multitube grenade launcher
I need it
All my guardsmen in Dawn of War had it
woven olive
maybe add a bolter rifle that replaces the shove with a special ammo that explodes for high radius (they are slightly lighter then what we have in game and would fire a lower damage rounds slower)
astral blade
was thinking more along the lines of something like this
nimble sentinel
lol was just about to post this one
unreal bone
That was so fucking funny I died because of it
and accidentally did a penance
And it like he wasn't static t-posing
he was waving his arms around in circles
astral blade
still those us vets do need a nade launcher i mean what do we have in terms of horde clearing?
junior grail
lol was just about to post this one
Accatran patterns and their handlebars everywhere haha
nimble sentinel
Nano ogryns
Just like the good old days after the Horus Heresy
junior grail
still those us vets do need a nade launcher i mean what do we have in terms of h...
RECON
nimble sentinel
still those us vets do need a nade launcher i mean what do we have in terms of h...
MG IV and caffeinated trigger finger jitters
woven olive
law bringer shotgun columnus.....a knife......idk we got some stuff....OH AND GRENADES( that we can regen over time)
delicate moat
frank ledge
catachan
chainsword
penis sword
delicate moat
i love martyrdom psykers
astral blade
so basically fuck all in terms of actual horde clearing range weapons
frank ledge
brauto
frank ledge
That's a grenade psyker
woven olive
i mean... lawbrings has a good special ammo for clearing just saying
delicate moat
i knew something was fishy the moment i saw 5 wounds on psyker
but i did not expect that
frank ledge
Pox buster build
nimble sentinel
ok other than the brauto
technically recon though that's fatshark's fault
Frags, melee, shouts, we're not tool-less
unreal bone
Nade launcher would be cool tbh, but I feel like a rotary nade launcher would be out of the question
nimble sentinel
in fairness this is more the jobs of the others, vets excell at elite sniping
whole moon
Psykers should pop with more of an Ogryn nuke size
unreal bone
unless it was shooting like armor piercing nades
A single shot tube for vet is possible
Or maybe a pump action like the China Lake
idek if there are any pump action nade launchers in40k
frank ledge
Psyker self explosion should be ogrynheimer
woven olive
in fairness this is more the jobs of the others, vets excell at elite sniping
still salty about MK 3 helbore needing more then 1 full charge shot to killa crusher but yeah