veteran-class

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/explaining-gif-22499839

[forest blaze]

Lmao just gotta hold it

[junior grail]

You know, lorewise the Helbores are prone to overheating as well supposedly

[flat pebble]

i guess i’m dying to a plasma explosion now

[half ginkgo]

Or when you kill 4 gunners in 1 shot and gain 8 ammo lul

[forest blaze]

Being able to shoot any special through any amount of dudes and cover is real nice

[grave cargo]

Holy fuck why are Damnation players so bad now

[woven olive]

like running garantee crits on special and the one that gives a large damage boost to attacks work well with the right side keystone but the left side works better with bleed on special with speed boost on special
maybe just me

[placid portal]

Bad luck I suppose

[flat pebble]

i blame assail

[placid portal]

This

[grave cargo]

No it's two zealots and plasma vet

[junior grail]

I've been noticing that as well

[grave cargo]

The zealots keep fucking dying

[half ginkgo]

My current record so far is a Bomber HS from 66 meters. And I didn’t even had LoS on him…

[flat pebble]

that doesn’t change how i feel about assail

[grave cargo]

Good thing they have 8 wounds

[forest blaze]

Lmao

[junior grail]

Damnation used to be a breeze

[placid portal]

Had to solo mission boss bc rest was too busy fighting hoarde

As marksmen vet

[forest blaze]

Is it normal damnation or auric?

[placid portal]

[flat pebble]

back in the 2k total pop days lol

[grave cargo]

It's just normal damnation

[forest blaze]

Damnation norms are a shitshow

[junior grail]

Now even Auric isn't safe from noob players

[grave cargo]

Hunting grounds modifier

[placid portal]

Man

[flat pebble]

auric is barely safe from non level 30s

[forest blaze]

Do auric heresy if you want to just stroll through the game

[placid portal]

[woven olive]

ok yeah just me then lol

[forest blaze]

Auric heresy you can comfortably just take a good grey weapon and a bottle of bourbon

[placid portal]

Wait. ppl do auric heresy?

[forest blaze]

It exists

[placid portal]

Yes never knew people run there

[half ginkgo]

It’s called warmup

[steel quarry]

so far at 2 weeks in ive confined myself to normal heresy

[forest blaze]

Yah and you can just solo that shit

[scarlet smelt]

what kind of fucking crack are people on that heresy with funny amounts of modifiers are easy

[flat pebble]

people warm up?

i go into auric damnation QP every time no questions asked

[junior grail]

Sedition Gaming is where its at

[half ginkgo]

Legit have shoulder issues so yeah, I do it

[junior grail]

8 missions, 6 player no deaths

[flat pebble]

rip that sucks bud sorry to hear that

[forest blaze]

AD/AM is for sober Dirk

[grave cargo]

One of them was a flamer

[placid portal]

Going damnation quickplay at bootup

[half ginkgo]

Except when I am imbibing to much alcohol - then it’s Malice gaming TM

[grave cargo]

They sucked up ALL the ammo

[woven olive]

the day auric malice happens is the day fatsharks studio "mysteriously" burns down

[flat pebble]

man they did flamer so dirty

[forest blaze]

Auric malice 💀

[flat pebble]

that ammo nerf has really come to be an unneeded change

[half ginkgo]

I can swear I once saw Malice Maelstrom

[forest blaze]

I’d take an auric malice with every modifier on it

That sounds fun as fuck

[junior grail]

I actually want the ammo boosted a lil bit more

[flat pebble]

it should go back to base ammo

[forest blaze]

Lights out high intensity shock troop gauntlet sniper hunting grounds

[grave cargo]

Flamer is FINE

Just stop fucking spamming it on poxwalkers

[junior grail]

Afraid to say it usually cause might get yelled at

[grave cargo]

Holy god

[flat pebble]

the updated breakpoints and increase of gunner packs has resolutely nerfed flamer already

[junior grail]

Yea like that lol

[woven olive]

dont forget random specials becoming bosses

[grave cargo]

It’s a “delete everything in front of me” button it’s FINE just stop using it when you don’t NEED TO

[forest blaze]

Give me the weakened monstro Giga spawns and I’m fuckin down

[half ginkgo]

Also pre-patch 13 HI3STG used to be the worst difficulty

[fresh mango]

[grave cargo]

74% charge

[forest blaze]

Weakened monstrosities is what I live for

[grave cargo]

Ngmi

[half ginkgo]

73%

[flat pebble]

for a lot of builds pre nerf it literally replaced horde clear because of how ammo efficient it was and it was fine

[stone birch]

Scab melee only are good fun. Also like waves of muties...

[woven olive]

a bunch of chaos spawn smack the the team with the ogryns body lol

[grave cargo]

And you can still do that now just don’t spam it on every horde

[flat pebble]

and it had clear drawbacks from range mobility

[grave cargo]

You can’t shoot every enemy

[flat pebble]

i mean clearly you shouldn’t

[grave cargo]

You shouldn’t be able to flame every horde

I want to play the game too

[flat pebble]

but the flamer does deserve some upward tuning imo

[junior grail]

A flamer not meant for hordes feels so sad... at least in terms of power fantasy

[forest blaze]

My favorite moment is seeing double weakened ogryns jump out. Focus target + unyielding damage plasma to the face

[grave cargo]

Honestly I think it needs nerfing

[half ginkgo]

Shhh, don’t tell zel chat

[grave cargo]

It's too good at staggering

[flat pebble]

what it sounds like you’re experiencing is someone who sucks about ammo distribution

[flat pebble]

i’m from zealot chat lol sorry

[half ginkgo]

Lies!

[grave cargo]

Absolutely braindead weapon, if your IQ is higher than 3

[flat pebble]

they already know it’s in a weird spot

i’m a level 300 zealot main my friend

my vet is maybe barely 160 or something

[grave cargo]

The range drawback is a fine drawback but it's completely overtuned up close to try and compensate it

[half ginkgo]

If you are an Ogryn main can you even count to 3? 🤔

[flat pebble]

my perspective is unfortunately mainly zealot

[grave cargo]

But they really should just like, either commit it to clearing trash

[junior grail]

At certain moments I feel I prefer Kantrael Shotty over Flamer

[grave cargo]

or reinforce it's a "killl thing thing" button

[placid portal]

Nork can so I can too

[woven olive]

i can see 3...but also not know what 3 is lol im that kinda special

[grave cargo]

Old flamer was just too good at what it did

[half ginkgo]

Nork is like the smartest Ogryn. And can count to 4

[forest blaze]

Col IAG is my low level pub buster

[flat pebble]

flamer either needs the mag size reverted or the total ammo reverted

[junior grail]

I've seen a Nork a few times in my games

[grave cargo]

Currently flamer is still too good at what it does imo, because they don't really know what to do with it

[forest blaze]

Just brrrrrrr my way through the mission

[grave cargo]

Give it more ammo and make it unable to stagger ragers and crushers

Just fullstop

That uh, blessing that increases stagger does nothing atm

[placid portal]

Every ogryn has a nork nidogg in em just dont know how to wake it up

[flat pebble]

well i mean it’s not doing literally any damage to the crushers outside of chastise so it might as well stagger

[grave cargo]

Because it already just staggers things

Nah it really shouldn't stagger crushers imo

If they wanna make it a chaff weapon, do that

[flat pebble]

covering something in flaming accelerant should stagger anything that’s not a boss

[grave cargo]

If you want it to deal with elites, focus on that

[flat pebble]

just in a literal way

[woven olive]

"how many enemies are there" sees 20 crushers "uhhhh...3 sah? vet that cant see over the wall "thanks big guy ogyn blushes as all can hear the screams of the vet

[junior grail]

Isnt this that Enlightened mod?

[scarlet smelt]

yeah i thought it was funny

[half ginkgo]

Still wonder if I can be used for Recon players /s

[forest blaze]

Lmfao yes

[junior grail]

If they make Flamer solely antihorde, that means Melta be coming soon... RIGHT??

[flat pebble]

man don’t even start

[half ginkgo]

Yeah, coming 2025 or so

[flat pebble]

we all wish we got the rest of the cool 40k weapons

[manic flax]

it is time

[half ginkgo]

After FS rebalances crafting system to be even more atrocious

[flat pebble]

it hurts to think about what we are probably not getting

[half ginkgo]

And nerfs vets a couple of times just for good sake

And come 2025 assail will still be overturned

Source: I have premonition

[flat pebble]

if some random no reason to be trusted person in this chat is to be trusted, apparently they intend to make a system where once you unlock all blessings for a weapon type the locks come off

[scarlet smelt]

mfw that includes level 1 and 2 blessings

[flat pebble]

lol fr

[junior grail]

Oh no

[forest blaze]

As long as it lets me grind up diamantine into some inhalant combat stimmies I’m happy. Let me snort that 100000 diamantine

[manic flax]

what is better?

[half ginkgo]

Huh, first time seeing this, but that would be… OK, if blessings like Cycler or Blood Thirsty would be a tad more common

[flat pebble]

maybe just don’t bother with the min maxxing until level 30

[half ginkgo]

Honestly? Neither

[manic flax]

just what is it

[flat pebble]

these stats are bad no matter which way you look at them

[manic flax]

whats better

[woven fractal]

left

[forest blaze]

Grab the one on the left until you find one better

[woven fractal]

what's better, death by drowning or suffocation

[flat pebble]

i mean technically the left but really it’s not worth it at this level to be concerned about gear stats

[junior grail]

Its like... barely better

[woven fractal]

is what ur asking me

[woven olive]

the 240 has better penetration and finnese so go with it

[flat pebble]

it’s a grey 214 ykwim

[woven fractal]

wont make a difference unless ur hitting breakpoints in Auric damnation

literally use what u want until ur lvl 30 and then roll for 370+ base stats

[flat pebble]

they aren’t going into auric damnation unless a friend is bringing them into it is my guess lol

[woven olive]

the image moved when message popped up sorry

[woven fractal]

then its about stat spread on each weapon

[flat pebble]

that are sub level 30 weapon stats

[woven fractal]

I mean yea lol

[half ginkgo]

Yeah like lvl10 stuff

[flat pebble]

? what

[half ginkgo]

Do malice at that point. And gear doesn’t matter in malice

[flat pebble]

what i said wasn’t directed at ya friend

[woven fractal]

even auric damnation honestly, you can get away with "bad" stats. Blessings are more important to gameplay

[manic flax]

its time

[forest blaze]

At low levels just grab whatever has the highest damage and the highest power and you’re good to party

[manic flax]

i am now the wanna be spacemarine

[woven olive]

new messages came up when i was reading stats thought i saw 40 but didnt

[woven fractal]

go forth veteran

[forest blaze]

I took my green IAG into AD last night and did great 😂

[woven fractal]

lol

[steel quarry]

how much harder is normal damnation compared to hi intensity heresy

[flat pebble]

yeah i was responding the person who posted the weapon though it’s fine

it’s not about the 240 stat or whatever

[half ginkgo]

I was pigging Damna with random grey crap like yesterday

[flat pebble]

uhh not particularly? maybe a little easier even?

depends what you find hard about the game

[forest blaze]

Not very

[half ginkgo]

A bit easier since better players don’t stick to heresy unless that’s books

[steel quarry]

ah thats good to hear

[forest blaze]

Hi intensity norms are tough if you’re bad at hordes

[vivid bolt]

its basically damnation atp

[forest blaze]

Damnation is tough if you have shit weapons

[flat pebble]

heresy has the secret modifier of having objectively worse teammates so it will balance out

[forest blaze]

😂

[woven olive]

MK 2 braced autogun is still from launch to now the best all around gun for every level (not the best just good with feel and such)

[manic flax]

most normal veteran names

[forest blaze]

Normal heresy+ games are solo simulators

[flat pebble]

crazy how one of these three is turning right into a servitor

[forest blaze]

You never know when exactly you’ll be playing solo but you’re guaranteed it’ll happen

[manic flax]

🧌

[steel quarry]

no i feel like ive pretty much got the gist of the game and what needs to be done normal heresy is pretty easy just trying to tighten things up and find what i like using the most

[flat pebble]

you’ll probably fit into damnation fine then

[half ginkgo]

Yeah, typical heresy pugs have some…questionable self-awareness

[flat pebble]

HIST damnation is where it gets truly insane

[forest blaze]

Highly recommend you get some game time with shock troop gauntlet and hi intensity games

[flat pebble]

and then auric maelstrom is where the masochists go to break bread

[woven fractal]

I want to be stressed

[half ginkgo]

HI5STG is where it’s at

[woven fractal]

for 40 min straight

[forest blaze]

AM QP aka the Solo Simulator Cock and Ball Torture

[manic flax]

lemme guess its averageheretic (me)

[rocky jacinth]

Does anybody have a list of the move speed and dodge modifiers of each weapon?

[flat pebble]

if you’re not sweaty and on edge after a match of darktide what even was the point

[woven olive]

lets be real: the mostly melee no ammo pick up scab only mission modifier is what filters out the bad player and tests what is truly ammo efficient

[woven fractal]

just look in your weapon indepth mobility stats. they vary per weapon

[flat pebble]

oh boy sorry to hear about how you’re turning into a robot soon

[manic flax]

its fine

[steel quarry]

yeah last game was a high int heresy and me and another guy were doing well but the other two not so much so thats where my question came from im not good enough to deal with everything with just one other backup guy yet even on heresy

[half ginkgo]

Still had recons queuing into that

[flat pebble]

did an auric maelstrom recently with a recon lasgun 6 vet using no survivalist aura

[forest blaze]

Yah I feel that. Normal games are real tough for that

[flat pebble]

refused to use melee

[junior grail]

Pain

[woven fractal]

new players need to learn how to effectively melee/dodge/block. Especially vets

[flat pebble]

literally refused to use melee

horde clear with recon lasgun obviously

[forest blaze]

Auric games are still tough for that. The first entry into that pool is Auric Heresy and it gets real sketchy

[flat pebble]

it was the monstrosities maelstrom too so it was an especially baffling build choice

[junior grail]

Many still think recon is for horde clear

[woven fractal]

John Darktide spraying Mk12 lasgun into a horde on Heresy and dying in 2 hits is not it

[real cosmos]

Is there any diferences with the powerswords?

[junior grail]

Yep

[serene bough]

hot take: spraying into hordes is fun and good sometimes

[forest blaze]

Me in Auric Damnation 6 beers in with my Columnus IAG spraying into the horde

[woven fractal]

Yes, good one Mk6 and bad one Mk3

[serene bough]

at least with my mg4 las it is

[flat pebble]

one is for people with big pps one is for people with small pps

[woven olive]

ive see ogeyns join that mission type and waste all the ripper ammo they had and rumber/kickback come out with ammo to spare it really is one those modifiers man

[tall torrent]

Both good
Mk6 better by a bit

[woven fractal]

now that one is good with ExhilTakedown

[south spindle]

Thats what i find immensely frustrating about pugs at the moment. If you're a fresh level 30, you go from normal Damnation to Auric Heresy, not into HI-STG Damn' or Maelstrom

[forest blaze]

😂

[half ginkgo]

I remember one of my first heresy pugs on Sycorax - we did fine till past elevator. Then after clearing first 2 rooms BoN spawns and psyker and zel run ahead to next rooms. Aggro shit and die. Me and Ogryn try to push to them. Right in their res is a sniper meme if through rails. Ogryn dies and while I tried to deal with the asshole 3 ragers spam behind me without sound queue. Queue wipe.

Literally if they didn’t pull BoN ahead we would had it

[flat pebble]

there are so many people who think they are ready for difficulty tiers they are objectively not ready for just because they hit 30

[south spindle]

Yep...

[forest blaze]

CIAG I can actually carry AD with marksman and executioners and just DPS check the director

[flat pebble]

like people don’t understand 30 is where the game starts not where it ends

[woven fractal]

Mk6 has better push attack and follow up for crusher 2 shots. You can also block cancel the activate. Can't do either on the mk3

[flat pebble]

30 does not mean you’re ready for damnation

[south spindle]

Its terrible. I dont mind carrying people every now an then, but recently its been fucking horrendous, people dying to the first wave, an then complaining you didnt save them

[tall torrent]

People don’t understand 30 is just the starting point

[south spindle]

Like man.. im not gonna pick your ass up when there is ten gunners, three reapers an a rager squad, not happening

[flat pebble]

it’s been driving me up a wall since the new trees

people with no attuned game sense just wilin out

[steel quarry]

yeah its things like that where i find im not quite equipped to handle yet ill grind heresy a bit more

[tall torrent]

Some people just don’t know that you can hold mouse 2 to block attacks with your melee weapon

[forest blaze]

QP is often plasma + infiltrate territory. You can play with any amount of bads and still carry.

[flat pebble]

if you mouse 1 holding mouse 2 it even does a cute little push!!

[half ginkgo]

Yeah, one of my favorite pug moments - Vigil station Plague Ogryn spawn on a bridge. People run into melee with predictable results

[woven olive]

did a damn nation recently with a bunch zealots who wanted to run ahead kill as much as they could as fast they could...i was a shield ogryn and about the only one left standing trying to keep the whole team in one piece and together....as soon as any of them got up they ran ahead as fast they could fml we lost in the middle of evac because they were all fighing over who could kill the most siht

[south spindle]

Into the void in half a second

[forest blaze]

My favorite. Not pulling the monstros into an area you can actually fight in

[tall torrent]

I had an Ogryn who just shot his machine gun the entire game and ran out of ammo
He went down a combined total of 6 times on top of 2 deaths

[flat pebble]

i played with a zealot recently (knife of course) who was literally never not fighting the group immediately after the group the rest of the team was currently fighting

[tall torrent]

Never saw him melee once

[forest blaze]

Me as an ogryn

[south spindle]

Or indeed, not clearing out the actually dangerous stuff around the boss and just tunnel-visioning on it

[tall torrent]

T’au Ogryn player

[woven fractal]

They were running ranged ogryn?

[flat pebble]

when he inevitably died by himself i asked why they were even doing that and they were like i’m killing the gunners for the team ahead of us

bitch

[half ginkgo]

No need. Imho, Malice is the limit when you can solo carry a team of rocks. Heresy+ is when it stops. The difference between Damna and Heresy is that Heresy mains are mostly people who can’t Damna because of issue with game sense or mechanics

[forest blaze]

Lucky bullet gunner ogryn is bait

[tall torrent]

Ranged Ogryn is fine
Ranged Ogryn with zero melee is not fine

[flat pebble]

you were denying us our final coherency stack and being a dumbass

knife zealots are a scourge

[woven fractal]

Coherency Schmerency

[flat pebble]

and i hate that they’ve come back with the updated skill trees with a force

[woven olive]

for my run it was like "oh you are blocking the snipers shots? cool i wont look to see all the enmeis rushing your ass while that sniper is trained on you and the rest of the team can fuck deal with all the other shit FUCK

[forest blaze]

Coherency is for Psykers

[woven fractal]

heresy

[flat pebble]

and for ogryn friends

[woven olive]

anyway bad run is all im saying work as a team

[tall torrent]

My suggestion is to grind heresy until you can comfortably go entire heresy missions taking minimal melee health dmg
Then go damnation
Because damnation has almost double (frequently more than double) the plasteel payout of heresy

[woven fractal]

There are specific builds to carry servitors in damn+

800~ per run

[flat pebble]

be really good

[forest blaze]

Plasma and infiltrate 😂

[tall torrent]

And damnation drops u purple~gold items

[woven fractal]

Im a Shovel and Revolver man. Volley/Weap Specialist

[flat pebble]

for vet power sword and plasma is the tried and true hard sweat build

but you need power cycler 4

[fresh mango]

Is the shovel worth using? Or should I just use power sword?

[manic flax]

spraying plasma into hordes is fun but not always good

🧌

[forest blaze]

You can do it with PS3 if you don’t have brain damage

[flat pebble]

shovel rocks you just gotta understand your build and if it has space for a shovel

[woven olive]

sometimes i cant find good items in melks shp so just spam buy the mystery item to see if it giver purples and golds...it works 20% the time if i speend a 2000 sum

[tall torrent]

Just don’t

[fresh mango]

would plas gun shovel work?

[forest blaze]

Don’t do that sir

[forest blaze]

Yah sure

[flat pebble]

vet chat
don’t have brain damage

[flat pebble]

probably one of the best shovel combos

[forest blaze]

I’m convinced PS4 doesn’t exist. I’m stuck on PS3 in AM runs

[woven olive]

buuuuuuuuuut im board and some times i just find the blessing i really need in the normal shop sooo idk i think its fun

[flat pebble]

power sycler?

[forest blaze]

Melk literally mugging you

[tall torrent]

What blessing

[woven fractal]

Depends on your playstyle. Can you handle horde well with a handicap and wants the ability to also schmack carapace = Powersword.

Braindead crowd control and leave carapace w ranged/nades = shovel. Although a shovel with Decimator and Uncanny strike will tear through a crusher

[fresh mango]

off to a great start

[woven fractal]

LOL

[forest blaze]

Sorry yah PC

[woven fractal]

penetration is the dump stat

[fresh mango]

pen is dump stat? gotcha

[flat pebble]

was like ok i have to clarify

[tall torrent]

Spending more than 2.5k melk coins for anything that’s not a godroll or Power Cycler IV sounds like heresy to me

[forest blaze]

Yah I’m dumb

[flat pebble]

assuming you have the uncanny blessing which you need

[woven fractal]

PC4 and Brutal momentum is where its at

[steel quarry]

is penetration the dump because no matter how much you have it still does not much damage to armor?

[forest blaze]

Pretty much

[flat pebble]

pen is the dump because uncanny does it for you

[woven fractal]

well with decimator and uncanny strike it doesnt matter what penetration u have

[woven olive]

any blessing that i dont have yet...like anyone else does

plus i do it cus the randomness gives me a dope high like when opening crates in tf2...but for free

[fresh mango]

best im gonna get

[flat pebble]

looks fine to me

[junior grail]

Uncanny will help there

[flat pebble]

uncanny decimator is really what you’re rolling for

[woven fractal]

decimator is fine at 3

uncanny 4 is must

[steel quarry]

blessings knowledge is one of the other main things i need to learn

[woven fractal]

cuz haha funny rending

[fresh mango]

Ill pray for that then

though I doubt ill get it

[woven fractal]

u can run plasma or revolver with it to one shot other ranged enemies

[steel quarry]

i bought a shovel from melk today with t3 decimator but i wasn't sure what else shovel needed

[woven fractal]

shovel is really fun and helps in a pinch

[flat pebble]

good luck, especially considering a lot of blessings aren’t as cut and dry as the description text

shovel is excellent if you know what you’re doing

[fresh mango]

[woven fractal]

Powersword just takes more skill and awareness but if you can play out of your minds, it is technically better

[flat pebble]

you’re trading damage spikes for a ton of mobility and stam

[woven fractal]

yep lol

what he said

[steel quarry]

yeah im just gonna have to pick it up as i go

[forest blaze]

And power sword you can fuck up maulers and crushers

[flat pebble]

and if you don’t know how to make use of those things and why they’re worthwhile shovel can seem incredibly underwhelming

[woven olive]

i just grind steel after finding a gray item with good stats then just level it up idk melks shot dont have anything all that good most of the time so i just use the random item thing i mean i only do use his main shop for blessings anyway

[woven fractal]

this game is very forgiving on what you use. If you can play a certain way to make a weapon blessing combo works then it is good

[fresh mango]

whats the dump stat for plas gun btw?

[woven fractal]

oh boy

[flat pebble]

i just say charge time

[woven fractal]

theres a really long answer to that short question

[flat pebble]

i don’t have time for 73 stat whatever

[woven fractal]

Fatshark did a funny haha on the plasma damage curve

[fresh mango]

oh yeah ive seen that chart

[woven fractal]

TLDR is that you want 79 Damage, either 64 charge time or 73?

[flat pebble]

there are actually a handful of decent charge time stats

[woven fractal]

theres a god roll that are just odd numbers

[flat pebble]

73 is the best

[woven fractal]

optimal is what i said above but like

[fresh mango]

so this is no good

[woven fractal]

it also depends on your builds to hit breakpoints in auric

[flat pebble]

i’ve heard you want 78 damage and 78 stopping power so i just focused that and let the other stats be what they would be

[forest blaze]

It’s fine but it’ll do a little less damage

[woven olive]

i mean its not bad either

[flat pebble]

totally fine

[junior grail]

That plasma ve looking a lil Tau-like

[soft solstice]

looks perfectly fine

[woven fractal]

ammo and thermal resist can be anywhere from 65 to 70

[fresh mango]

Its a big gun, it needs a stock

[woven fractal]

but damage charge rate and stopping power you have to be super specific to min max

[forest blaze]

You’re missing maybe 50 damage on average per shot

[flat pebble]

do we have the charge time chart in the pins

[soft solstice]

i don't quite know how much of a difference charge and thermal resistance can be but I can imagine them being kind of dump stats

[woven fractal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1173741899228655698/Z0j1WQJ.png?ex=65778453&is=65650f53&hm=28655b2f3e0b2e7067a27af7357bd1ab306ebedcb6aa546f09bb189d1e3c827f&\

[fresh mango]

I dont think thatll make me miss any breakpoints

[woven fractal]

it is pinned

[woven olive]

a full charge with some good weakspot bonuses and such and it will do fine

[forest blaze]

You should be fine tbh

[flat pebble]

55 charge rate is like within 2% of the 73 charge rate damage

[fresh mango]

0 talent points spent nearly one shot a reaper, were good

[flat pebble]

see this is what i mean why even try to account for charge time

that shit is silly

[woven fractal]

I rarely do the full charge shot anyways

[half ginkgo]

Charge rate is suboptimal but workable. Has unyielding which is good. Just reroll volatile if you get it and put +unarmored on it

[woven fractal]

cuz gets hot and blazeaway megalul

[flat pebble]

this is also a huge point

[fresh mango]

I got shattering

[flat pebble]

the normal shots are really all you need 95% of the time

[half ginkgo]

2nd worst blessing but not as dead as volatile lul

[fresh mango]

awesome

[flat pebble]

at least is degrades armor for bosses

[steel quarry]

why unarmored?

[flat pebble]

frankly plasma between 1-3 shots everything else so shattering not super duper

[forest blaze]

People like unarmored for one shotting gunners

[half ginkgo]

Gunner Damna Hs uncharged BO

[flat pebble]

breakpoints for shotgunners and unarmored gunners iirc

[half ginkgo]

BP

[woven olive]

i love how the plasma gun basicly makes just about all other sniper weapons redundant for the vet lol

[flat pebble]

i mean in a very real way plasma is just a weird revolver

[soft solstice]

i keep thinking that the shovel is the only weapon that can stun mutants out of their charge with the special but I forget that the tactical axe can too, and it's way better at it since youcan spam it

[flat pebble]

they have a lot of overlap in their roles

[half ginkgo]

My plasma also has 58% charge and it’s 20 dmg short of hitting gunner BP without keystone

[forest blaze]

You ever wanted to no scope every enemy in the game from all distances with a OHKO? Boy do I have a gun for you

[half ginkgo]

If I roll with +elite

[soft solstice]

plasma feels incredible to use, and I feel it does invalidate other sniper weapons, even if there's a legit trade

[flat pebble]

can tac axe stun a crusher mid overhead swing

[soft solstice]

the reload on the plasma gun seems fine ot me but I don't like it on the revolver

[half ginkgo]

Not to my knowledge, Tyler

[woven olive]

lol ikr and the revovler is best sniper rifle in the game even though its not a rifle and any class other then ogryn can use it LMAO what even thepoint of the other weapons half the damn time

[serene bough]

especially when you get that sweet sweet shotgunner conga line and fill up the kill feed

[soft solstice]

not that I know

[flat pebble]

SHOVEL.

[forest blaze]

Best sniper in the game is the ogryn kickback.

[manic flax]

bolters

[serene bough]

rock better sniper

[flat pebble]

apparently not since the minimum pellet nerf

[sinful palm]

The rock is the best weapon. Melee sniper horde clear everything

[soft solstice]

the bolter feels like trash to use outside shoving it into a beast of nurgle's face

[woven olive]

can still counter sniper and one shot a front facing mutant soo its still good

[forest blaze]

Bolter is for weebs

[half ginkgo]

Or Chasm assassination first event with the interrogator. Kill 6 snipers past the wall and the only way you knew about that is from the killfeed

[flat pebble]

minimum pellet damage adjustment necessarily wouldn’t affect the mutant situation

they didn’t touch max damage

i don’t use kickback though i just heard it went from hard S tier to A tier after the slight change

[soft solstice]

even then, the kickback can stunlock any non boss from any range

[flat pebble]

that doesn’t make it a good sniper though

which was my halfhearted point

[woven olive]

you gotta use it whith weakspot perk man its a slayer

[soft solstice]

it's not, but map wide stun can be nice

[flat pebble]

that it wasn’t objectively the best sniper anymore

[flat pebble]

i really can’t imagine 10% weak spot damage is ever doing more than a flat 25% to the enemies i hate most

[fresh mango]

[half ginkgo]

Good, unbrickable

[woven olive]

never said not use that bonuse but point black with that sweet 30 rending MMMMM bye bye crusher

[fresh mango]

Was VERY happy to roll that tbh

[flat pebble]

always feels good when it becomes clear a crafted weapon is a layup for upgrading

[scarlet smelt]

uhhhh

damn

[fresh mango]

you dont need charge rate

[scarlet smelt]

neutered

[fresh mango]

overrated

[flat pebble]

i’m confused were we talking about the weak spot perk or weren’t we

[half ginkgo]

Nothing onslaught can’t solve

[woven olive]

we are but we are also talking about what ability to use with it

[scarlet smelt]

Wouldn't it just be better to use a mk1 then

[fresh mango]

holy shit

[flat pebble]

oooo spicy

[fresh mango]

please dont brick

[forest blaze]

That’s a gun

[half ginkgo]

If you have a better mk1 base then yeah

[flat pebble]

it will make a paperweight with beautiful base stats 😌

[scarlet smelt]

damnit

[fresh mango]

i got fuck all plasteel but oncei get some imma upgrade that

[woven olive]

10% weakspot and %25 maniac and bye bye mutants and ragers plus that rending can be good if you run into tanky enemies cant say no to that

[forest blaze]

Just run with it

You’re doing norms anyways

[half ginkgo]

Time to put that grey 1a on and hit that Auric Damna

[fresh mango]

fuck it we ball

[flat pebble]

i just think maybe weak spot isn’t that useful

[fresh mango]

dont even have a build for it

[flat pebble]

and in general people think it’s better than it is

[fresh mango]

oh btw is there a mod that adds more build slots?

[woven olive]

ok put it in unyeild then or reload

[umbral scaffold]

You finally make the gun?

[half ginkgo]

Just grab all left side ez5head /s

[flat pebble]

i’m just saying because it might be education for you too

weak spot adds actually basically no damage

[forest blaze]

^^

Weak spot is trash

[half ginkgo]

Yeah, only exception is illisi cuz it’s WS dmg = crit dmg

[woven olive]

ok ok fair fair maybe they should boost it in the future unyeild is still a good alt to it when it come to kickback

[forest blaze]

We aren’t psyker freaks over here, sir

[flat pebble]

face value it seems like it rocks because all enemies have weak spots but it’s in modifying the damage that’s modifying base damage

so it’s a fraction of damage compared to any flat 25% perk

i don’t know how they would change it to be better except changing the percent amount, that’s just how weak spot damage works

[half ginkgo]

Aha, 25 flak and maniac unless you specifically need another dmg perk is the bis

[woven olive]

i just use it because it doent specify wich type so it has a wider range but you make your point

[flat pebble]

unyielding is good, flak i would probably choose first, but i would check general breakpoints first because it’s a one shot gun so breakpoints are immediately noticeable

[frank ether]

%10 weakspot is less damage than the %5 damage aura lmao

[woven olive]

better then specials or elite at least the 10% weakspot can hit both lol bad stat but does have coverage

[half ginkgo]

From vet guns I would take unyielding on plasma and maybe Boltor from top of my head

[flat pebble]

yeah it is more widely applicable strictly speaking but if weak spot damage is only 20 on top of say 100 damage 10% of 20 added to 20 is functionally nothing

[fresh mango]

Ready for auric!

[woven olive]

true

[flat pebble]

crit damage a very similar trap

[languid escarp]

are enemies who get Nurgle's blessing classified as unyielding?

[fresh mango]

crit damage sucks, crit chance where its at

[frank ether]

crit chance is good

[fresh mango]

i love my helbore build

[flat pebble]

crit chance is fine

[half ginkgo]

Unyielding are bosses, mini bosses, Reaper and Bulwark

[flat pebble]

think there are better blessings but 5% crit chance is a perk i’ve settled for before

[woven olive]

i think unyeilding and maniac should do it just kickback then unless relaod is a problem then go for it

[ebon umbra]

the takes today were sussy earlier today oh my lord

i just decided not to say anything

[languid escarp]

so being hard to stagger has nothing to do with unyielding?

[half ginkgo]

Not really, no

[flat pebble]

i’d check common flak elites first to see if those have breakpoints but unyielding is good too

[flat pebble]

just a name for an enemy armor type

[fresh mango]

my teamamtes didntnotice my build being grey and green

[forest blaze]

Go shoot some hoes

[flat pebble]

most people don’t have the mods needed to harass someone about this

[woven olive]

no need to for flak most i will get one shoted exept rager and mauler but they are done in like 2-3 shots unless you use point blank and that 30 rending modifier

[forest blaze]

Get camouflage and drop the talent that highlights dudes for your allies. Fuck those allies, you need those kills so you can keep killing

[flat pebble]

that’s what i figured outside of maybe flak ragers and flak gunners

[woven olive]

mmmm one shot heaven

[flat pebble]

and maulers

[half ginkgo]

Dreg gunners body shot BP is very specific cases as their body is flak

[woven olive]

with the 30 rending its 2-3 shots for a crushers and with the reload speed of point blank its its gone win under 1/12 seconds

[flat pebble]

well crushers are carapace so

[half ginkgo]

Charged + uncharged shot do the trick regardless

[woven olive]

so without rending dont waste ammo they will tank ALOT

[flat pebble]

… ya

that’s what carapace does haha

[woven olive]

just use it to knock em over unless you can use the ability to wipe em up

[flat pebble]

i’m glad scab gunners aren’t carapace because apparently they are in the ttrpg

i can’t even imagine carapace gunner packs in darktide

[vague charm]

tips for this penance?

[half ginkgo]

Crushers can get deleted by plasma in 1 charged shot but you do need both cara and elite on top of decent charge rate stat

[half ginkgo]

Any decent gun to kill in 1 hit and highlight all shooters

[flat pebble]

talent that outlines shooters

and the mg12 or mg1a lasgun

[woven olive]

wish the ogryn had a yeetus deletus gun with like a reserve of 5 shots but they one shot crushers no problem

[half ginkgo]

Or unironically plasma

[flat pebble]

yeah if you pace it right and u vent appropriately plasma would work

[terse idol]

Kickback be like-

[flat pebble]

just please don’t get in the habit of using it against shooters

[half ginkgo]

Exactly and added benefit is that cover is meaningless

[flat pebble]

the irony in that we were talking about kickback and that’s why he said that

[terse idol]

TO BE FAIR Pgun left click ain't bad at taking out grouped up shooters

[terse idol]

Woops, I joined late

[flat pebble]

of course not it’s just ammo expensive

[half ginkgo]

I mean, I can routinely keep my exe stance on Damna. Like it’s ready to go as soon as it ends with plasma

[devout atlas]

vet chat how do i stop using the shovel in all my builds

3/5 of my builds use it now

[flat pebble]

shovel

[serene bough]

you dont

[half ginkgo]

Embrace DC?

[serene bough]

embrace the bonk

[flat pebble]

shovel poke too satisfying

crusher overhead— shovel nose poke

[devout atlas]

but shovel is like 80% the horde-clear of DC while dealing with elites 2x better 😭 shovel always pulls me back in

[woven olive]

kickback is not very ammo exspensive when used sparingly and patiently

[devout atlas]

good thing i love the shovel

[serene bough]

i think the shovel is the best example of a well designed defensive weapon

[flat pebble]

this was about the plasgun for the vet penance

[half ginkgo]

Ok, psvi then?

[flat pebble]

being used against shooters

[half ginkgo]

Or csword

[serene bough]

it still kills but has enough stagger to stun lock ragers before their attack combo and interrupt anything sans monstrosities

[devout atlas]

thing is that thing is not defensive at all and is painful on deadshot builds for that reason

[flat pebble]

no but it truly is

[devout atlas]

i use shovel on all my deadshot builds because its fantastic for that

[flat pebble]

probably the best defense weapon in the game that’s not literally a shield

[devout atlas]

0% stamina? no problem. heavy -> horde

no stamina but a poxburster is jumping on you?

no problem

special them

(it counts as a push)

shovel too good i love shovel so much.

[flat pebble]

the update made it glow up sooooo good

[half ginkgo]

Yeah, been running weeklies today mostly on Damna pugs with shovel. Literally the most damage I ate were 2 bursters with very unfortunate spawns

[devout atlas]

ps6 on my laspistol build tho because if u have adhd like me you can quick switch to laspistol just for its good dodges 💀

[half ginkgo]

Quite inerbritaed I might add

[woven olive]

well anyway kickback is worth a try in most builds with a shovel and a mindset centered around swapping back and forth for when each is needed more

[south spindle]

Its better than that even tbh

[devout atlas]

why are u talking about the ogryn lawbringer in vet chat

[flat pebble]

i just said that to get ahead of the technically correct gang

[devout atlas]

also yea kickback fucks i use it on my main build with slab and taunt

[raven shoal]

Not me just saying vet early game suk but at least shovel.

[woven olive]

because tyler was talking about never trying it when we brought up shot guns

[devout atlas]

oh yea tyler u gotta try that shit out

it like 2 taps groups of ragers

[half ginkgo]

So I was planning to roll Ogryn tomorrow. What’s the meta?

[devout atlas]

and yea the ammo isn't fantastic but if you have a vet with scavenger

its basically unlimited

[devout atlas]

you'd be better off asking "what weapons are bad" because theres only 2 that aren't usable

[woven olive]

mark 3 club with kickback is what i feel is meta

[devout atlas]

everything is meta other than power maul and krourk

[woven olive]

speed and damage alround

[flat pebble]

dirk brought it up

[devout atlas]

see thats funny because i've not seen 1 person run that before in #ogryn-class

but like

ur not wrong

ogryn is the most well balanced class in the game

[flat pebble]

i’ve tried it a little i just prefer my sticky rumbler

[devout atlas]

in terms of our weapons not sucking ass thru a straw

krourk cleaver could use a small buff, paul needs a rework and krourk needs.. something

[flat pebble]

i’ll give kickback a real try once i find surgical 4 for it

[devout atlas]

everything else is good

[half ginkgo]

What about Ogryn’s shovel?

[flat pebble]

it’s excellent why

[devout atlas]

ogryn shovel is incredibly good

[woven olive]

best way to run kickback is start with bombs away work your way down to point blank then finish with heavy hitter should get a good close range build overall

[half ginkgo]

Nice, more shovels for shovel throne!

[flat pebble]

not super concerned about the build i just don’t like surgical 3

[devout atlas]

I like thrust + thunderous shovel. The bleed damage lets you do considerable bleed DPS and its capable of 2 tapping crushers

thunderous helps with killing hordes with bleed

many ppl run thrust + BM which is better for hclear

[woven olive]

no other way to do it

[flat pebble]

ogryn shovel is actually genuinely powerful though

[devout atlas]

but i prefer thunderous

[flat pebble]

i like bm thrust and bm thunderous

[devout atlas]

legit every melee except paul has a niche

paul has worse CC than just shoving with shovel

[orchid hollow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K102TVO0bYk&ab_channel=dog

[devout atlas]

😭

[flat pebble]

paul needs so much help

poor paul

[devout atlas]

paul needs a rework ngl

like crusher kinda had

[orchid hollow]

who is paul..

[stone birch]

mark 3 bully club throws everything. only need to hold down LMB to get juiced attacks. good to play when my veteran and zealot have tiredout my clicking hand.

[devout atlas]

power maul

[woven olive]

maul with a melee focused tree is actualy not bad it works as a nice anti bulwark weapon when paired with a ripper or rumbler

[stone birch]

my favorite ogryn weapon

[frank ether]

chaxe would like to know your location

[devout atlas]

wow yeah bulwarks. definitely a big issue for ogryn

not like

yk

[flat pebble]

but you could just shovel

[devout atlas]

slap exists

[flat pebble]

or anything

[devout atlas]

or uppercut exists

or slab heavy 1 exists

😭

[flat pebble]

if anything paul’s strongest niche was two tapping crushers but i don’t even think it can do that anymore

[devout atlas]

we talking abt how ogryns have the most usable set of weapons not overall

[woven olive]

oh calm your butts it just auto staggers them if it isnt good it isnt good yeesh

[devout atlas]

we only have 2.5 bad weapons

0.5 for krourk cleaver cus its ok

its just underwhelming

[devout atlas]

hehe im just teasing u

paul actually does have very good hclear

when built for it

[woven olive]

i miss my old pre patch 13 krouk that shit was a great gun rip bro

[devout atlas]

but its not the best in the world

and it has no single-target

at all

which is silly!

[devout atlas]

did they nerf it or smth idk what happened to it

i remember using it month 1 and it was decent

now its dogwter

[woven olive]

they shadow nerfed alot of guns and melee when they dropped patch 13 for balances

[devout atlas]

awh rip

krourk stubber used to be able to 1 burst gunners on release damnation

was accurate enough you could m1 and nail 3 bullets into a gunner

any range and wipe em

first bullet was always 100% accurate too

[woven olive]

like i said rip krouk my bro

[devout atlas]

definitely not the case anymore </3

[half ginkgo]

Tree wise on Ogryn Gunlugger is the play right?

[woven olive]

yesnt

[devout atlas]

all 3 are good

[half ginkgo]

Cuz honestly I am not leveling that shit sober lol

[devout atlas]

glugger has highest boss DPS

[woven olive]

its better to do central and branch off

[flat pebble]

all three work

[stone birch]

left tree spamming heavy attacks is braindead in the best way. Does damage, controls hordes, is fun

[devout atlas]

the only thing thats iffy on ogryn is the bottom right tree

which is iffy because it works on like

1 weapon

(achylys stubber)

its great on achylys!

uhhh... basically unusable on anything else

😭

[woven olive]

i mean i like lugger but you gotta be prepaired to use more power house melees like mk 3 club to m ake up for lost abilitys

[flat pebble]

so mk4 cleaver

stab stab stab

[woven olive]

its why i wip around to heavy hitting in my kick back build

[devout atlas]

heres a build that works on everything except Bull Butcher.

have fun

any weapon combo you want as long as you have a solution to Crushers

go nuts

[half ginkgo]

Thank you, kind sir/madam. Will save for later

[devout atlas]

np and both lol

[woven olive]

ah yes the lane pusher ogryn master of support and cc

[flat pebble]

bio says any pronouns buddy

you’re so in the clear

[devout atlas]

buffed pulverise too

[flat pebble]

oops wrong person replied to

[devout atlas]

lol ye

[flat pebble]

this dang moving chat

i’m the opposite as a they

like a universal blood recipient

[devout atlas]

pulverise can now kill fodder on its own

[stone birch]

Chat go fast. brain is slow. Ogryn stuck in vet body.

[devout atlas]

which is nuts

[flat pebble]

me in process of lighting joint

me try best

trying a strain called lemon cherry gelato rn

it tastes surprisingly like weed

[stone birch]

sounds delicious, plant flavor is good flavor. I got a bunch of Divorce cake concentrate that needs to be smoke and in my lungs

[devout atlas]

Oh and if you care my fav build is this with Slab (BM+Flak for breakpoints) and Kickback

I actually think I have not lost with this build in the last 10 games I've used it

not for everyone though. I just love slab shield

[half ginkgo]

Yeah, will try. Just need to stomach lvl 1 to 30 this week on Ogryn lol

[devout atlas]

Ogryn probably has the easiest levelling tbh

[flat pebble]

my fav is when it’s a preposterous strain name but also smells/tastes exactly like what it’s named after

[devout atlas]

You have insane toughness regen and two +25 toughness nodes at the start

[flat pebble]

like gorilla glue

[stone birch]

he comes bog standard with 300 health. up to malice, just dont stand in front of a gunline of snipers and yer good.

[flat pebble]

not to mention the innate DR

[devout atlas]

and many many 10% DR nodes

like everywhere

[stone birch]

ogryn so THICC

[terse idol]

Guys, help, why did they squish the Vet Krieg armour chest piece

WHY FS

WHYYY

[devout atlas]

both builds I showed you had 3x 10% toughness DR nodes and 25% from FnP

[flat pebble]

slab heavies are so fucking insane i don’t think non ogryn people know

[half ginkgo]

So remind me at which lvl you can do malice so I can stock up on beer and gin till then? 😄

[terse idol]

*scream

[flat pebble]

the shield isn’t even the good part, the shield heavies are insane

[somber grove]

what should be done?

[frank ether]

ogryn is having it too good anyhow

[stone birch]

100%. Like getting some Durban Diesel hybrid and it tastes like planty hydrocarbons.

[devout atlas]

even many ogryn players dont know because theres a completely different world of difference between Brutal Momentum shield and without

[somber grove]

whys it so small

[half ginkgo]

Shield still good for messing with DH?

[somber grove]

lol

[flat pebble]

crunch

[devout atlas]

Yeah but you can actually solo DH with achylys lol

[flat pebble]

i actually get upset when vets use kraks on elite packs when i’m a shield ogryn

[devout atlas]

or mk5/6 ripper gunluggers

[woven olive]

ok this basically the build i use for my ogryn https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ab9e886-c9d3-4a88-bf41-f0aed8dea2c0/kriegryn?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[devout atlas]

I've done it a few times its funny

[flat pebble]

like guys i can just solo these 6 crushers chill out

shield heavies just bullying the shit out of and staggering literally every elite in the game with ease

[fresh mango]

another dub for the OG

[half ginkgo]

My favorite is people throwing kraks at crushers just before they die to plasma spam

[fresh mango]

grey lasgun was doin work ngl

[stone birch]

shield spamming ogryns do work, no lie. I just like my club.

[somber grove]

better image, any advice on what to change? plasma gun is simple, but has some important threshhold

[flat pebble]

i HATE the mobility on the shield is my problem

[devout atlas]

also shields push is insanely high range and stagger value

[flat pebble]

i lose the ability to consistently dodge trapper by an insane margin

[devout atlas]

combine with Attention Seeker ALWAYS

[devout atlas]

I just got used to it because you don't even.. need it

[half ginkgo]

Perks. Both. Unyielding and unarmored. Otherwise great plasma

[devout atlas]

you can staggerlock everything

oh noooo 10 maulers

who cares

boink boink

[flat pebble]

fwoomp fwoomp

[fresh mango]

headhunter

[terse idol]

I would change Glory Hunter to Blaze it

[flat pebble]

it’s literally just the trappers

[terse idol]

Also it needs 80% TR, but that's just imo

[flat pebble]

they get me so easily with a shield

[terse idol]

dumping TR is paiinful

[devout atlas]

I had a game just recently with ps6+lawbringer+shredders and i had 2x the crusher kills to the vet with knife+plasma+kraks

💀

[devout atlas]

push them

im not joking

[flat pebble]

diesel strains are always accurately stinky i love it

[devout atlas]

you can push trappers at the range they usually shoot you at

will stun them for like 1.5-2 seconds

[flat pebble]

i’ll try it out

[devout atlas]

slab actually hard counters trappers if you just push

[flat pebble]

i always forget how far the shield push range actually is

[devout atlas]

its nuts

you can push 2 rows of crushers with shield

[stone birch]

the whole block or apartment complex is knowing you lit up

[devout atlas]

its massive

[flat pebble]

my parking lot smelling like extra parking lot when i’m in it

[devout atlas]

shield is so hard for me to give up even though its DPS is kinda mehhh

even against bosses you'll still win because heavy 1 toughness regen lol

[flat pebble]

staggering literally everything but bosses is just so huge

[devout atlas]

I've melee solo'd DH with slab before

[flat pebble]

and the bleed makes it a ohk in so much

[stone birch]

such ogryns are loved by myself while on my vet.

[devout atlas]

just timing blocks well and h1

WITHOUT bleed

because I'm weird and run shield on pbb

😭

(it works with heavy hitter ok)

(actually fucks rlly hard too)

[flat pebble]

you lost me

what is pbb again

[devout atlas]

peanut butter brunch

u dont need bleed on shield to do insane hclear with it surprisingly

just BM and reaching the breakpoints

[flat pebble]

oh duh

i have done gunlugger exactly one time

i can’t be trusted not to eat all the map’s ammo as one

[devout atlas]

I run this with mk6 ripper and slab and its genuinely good

melts bosses because mk6 is only slightly lower DPS than mk5 in that department

with good aim its hclear is comparable to mk2 if not better

and its able to kill shooters/gunners at medium range pretty alr with hipfire

no can opener because the biggest weakness of mk6 is it has a low dps hipfire so its mid for that

[flat pebble]

oh boy to go back to the ripper after so long

[devout atlas]

i just stagger crushers to death (tbh slab doesnt kill them awfully slow)

its like 3 h1 push attack boink to kill crushers

heavy hitter does help bring it down probably

[flat pebble]

i’ve been anti monster rumbler on my ogryn for the last 25 levels at least

[devout atlas]

u can 2 mag a chaos/plagryn with mk6 pbb

[flat pebble]

that doesn’t super shock me

[devout atlas]

which is about as much as many mags as u can pull out of the ability

its a fun build n viable

[flat pebble]

i saw some clips on updated tree release week with the ripper

[devout atlas]

oh it got nerfed

the flame DOT

quite a lot

[flat pebble]

and the ripper lol

[devout atlas]

ehh only total ammo

im still vry efficient with mk6

[flat pebble]

yeah not a lot in this instance just a nerf

[devout atlas]

mk5 is single target only department for me

[flat pebble]

i have a good mk 2 and mk 4 ripper

mk5*

[devout atlas]

and mk2 is . good . i just dislike its lack of boss DPS and anti gunner

higher firerate of 5/6 stacks more flame DOT so better boss DPS

[rigid pilot]

Mk5 has the whole min pellets shebang

[flat pebble]

ahhh i was just about to ask

[devout atlas]

ye and 6 has a very tight hipfire

[rigid pilot]

Allows you to kill shooters from across the room

[devout atlas]

all rippers good

my fav for glug is 6 and fav for normal play is 5

2 isnt bad at all i just like 6 over it

dem boss dps

[spring cloud]

Do hope Stopping Power isn't important

[devout atlas]

yeah so about that...

[flat pebble]

i haven’t used the 2 really at all since learning about the 5’s min pellet thing

[devout atlas]

(its very important lol)

[devout atlas]

2 is the most ammo efficient horde-clearer ngl

[flat pebble]

sorry to hear about the gun’s funeral

[devout atlas]

like on ogryn overall

but 6 isnt far off

[rigid pilot]

2 feels like a proper ripper gun, where you brace and kill hordes

[devout atlas]

many many ppl like 2

[flat pebble]

i don’t really like using the rippers on hordes

[rigid pilot]

But nobody wants to play like that

[devout atlas]

rippers are rlly efficient on hordes provided you dont spam

space your shots

[rigid pilot]

Also 2 has a much slower swp and brace speed than 5

[devout atlas]

or 6

2 is best against groups of elites and pbb + rend on it is quite good

but then you dont have boss dps so ehhh

[rigid pilot]

I might try 6 again, only have 2s and 5s

[devout atlas]

yeah 6 is rlly slept on

fucks hard on pbb

[rigid pilot]

Pbb Rend?

[devout atlas]

fire

[rigid pilot]

Understandable

[devout atlas]

mk6 braced mode dps is comparable to 5s (with fire DOT)

but it can hclear efficiently

its a burstfire lawbringer basically

so in order to get good value you gotta have good aim and keep it steady for all 3 shots

if you do its fantastic tho

[flat pebble]

why rend when bonk shield

[devout atlas]

shield dps low? doesnt matter. shield will win in the end ^_^

unstoppable force AND the immovable object

truly the best melee /hj

[rigid pilot]

Oh yea I forget it gets the horizontal spread

Sounds funky

[devout atlas]

it literally has perfect spread like lbringer

a straight line of pellets lol

[rigid pilot]

Isit worth bracing against elites

Or just hipfire

[devout atlas]

assuming you have pbb active you brace

hipfire is only for shooters/gunners n other shit but only rlly usable up to 20m (although it wrecks shooters almost any range and can handle snipers alr)

[rigid pilot]

I see so similar to the other guns

[devout atlas]

hipfire is weird where it has this goldilock zone where its better than mk5

but at longer ranges mk5 hipfire is better

so even tho its low recoil and tight asf cone its a medium range king

[flat pebble]

i’ll never get used to ripper hipfire tbh

why’s it everywhere

what’s it doin

[devout atlas]

only for 5 n maybe 2

for 6 its very tight and basically a hyperburst of 2 shots that deletes shooters any range

but ye every ripper good . i love ogryn .

[placid portal]

Mk2 is simple general rippa easy to pick up and shred punues

I now use taunt without shield

Fun times

[grim walrus]

Morning to you as well,
No, not just yet. I now have the newest mods and will be able to later the day.
I will make sure to show you when I have, ´til then ´ave a good day.

[robust mesa]

Is the graia as good as the columnus

[placid portal]

Graia has good accuracy while standing still

[frank ether]

wow

kantrael does 2 damage to carapace

[placid portal]

Wat

[flat pebble]

sounds right

there are so many kantrael weapons but that sounds right for basically all of them

[placid portal]

Yep pretty much

[frank ether]

sry was talking about the infantry las ones

I guess pairing them with a shovel might be a decent idea

[tall torrent]

Finally
Hadron only bricked 2 of my attempts at Graia IAG

[frank ether]

here is where I'd throw in chainaxe to my build if it was worth using

[frank ether]

thats not bad

stripped down has some nice synergies

[tall torrent]

IAG meta is dum dum + stripped down tbh

Unless you’re running infiltrate to enable raking fire to melt bosses

[frank ether]

basically throw this in a deadshot duck&dive build with weapon specialist + invigorated

big stamina returns

on demand gunner immunity

I want to replicate this playstyle with braced autos but braced deadshot doesnt really work well

mainly because braced guns need spread reduction, sway reduction doesnt help their accuracy

[tall torrent]

I really wanted a Graia IAG because Columnus IAG is 100% gonna get nerfed at some point

And Graia is better than Agripinaa imo

[frank ether]

It might get a dps or range nerf

but I still think it will stay as a nutty gun

[sharp ember]

i like graia

[frank ether]

If you listen to this chat too much all the things vet uses ''will get nerfed %100''

[sharp ember]

gentle recoil but still shooty

[robust mesa]

wish they'd stop just nerfing the class

it's been like

nerfs for most of the major updates?

[tall torrent]

Columnus I would rather they nerf the crits

[sharp ember]

agri still feels great too

just did a match

[frank ether]

Nerfs for the most part to the sharpshooter vet

while other playstyles had their ups and downs

volley fire at some point replenished toughness, gave you toughness DR, reloaded your weapon, spotted ogryns and yada yada

I guess they brought back oggy spot though

[fluid steppe]

I feel plasma gun feels the best now. As in auric mission hord of bulwark and crusher kinda requires it to clean them up fast. It one shot most other elite too. And it doesn’t require any of the keystone to be exceptionally good

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9aba0403-f1cf-41fa-b6cb-9d1ace19cc73

[astral blade]

tch us vets don't need to be nerfed we need our shit fixed

those vets in this chat that say that things need to be nerfed can suck a fat one

[south garnet]

And they're all correct

[gusty bison]

And even then like the nerfs are usually to the top/overperforming atuff

Like P12 bolter and shredder

Apart from unwavering most builds got strong from P12

[gusty bison]

I dunno. We havent gotten a shovel nerf yet

Or a helbore nerf

In fact helbore has been getting nothing but buffs xD

I do expect a bayo fix soon though

[delicate estuary]

I would be surprised if they nerfed hellbore

mk3 is very difficult to pilot after all the density changes

[fast wind]

out of curiosity, what perks/blessings would y'all build for on plasma? ideal stats?

[delicate estuary]

and mk1, mk2 dont compare to the damage it does

I expect a revolver/plasma nerf tho

[gusty bison]

Helbore has been a better kanny for a while now. It just has a steeper learning curve

[delicate estuary]

yea with shitty sights that noone wants to learn unless there is an exploit

[frank ether]

helbore isnt overperforming except the bayonet interaction

and even then its specifically mk1-2

mk3 even with limbsplitter still cant oneshot certain mobs lol

[gusty bison]

Its deffo doing well regardless. OP might be a stretch

[frank ether]

I actually just take a BM powersword on helbore 3

[gusty bison]

Id put helbore as the top lasgun atm. Bayo exploit disregarding

[frank ether]

well top lasgun isnt a very high bar but I'd argue laspistol is eating better

[fast wind]

helbore feels good to me. not "trivialize crusher swarms" good, but good enough that i'm using it despite its garbage sights

[frank ether]

unless priority is hitting carapace

[gusty bison]

Laspistol kinda needs autofire mod tbh

[frank ether]

thats like the one thing helbore beats other lasguns a lot

carapace damage

[gusty bison]

And even then its a tossup i feel

[gusty bison]

Also flak

Lasguns for some reason eat shit into flak

[frank ether]

well it exists, though even without the mod its just a better overall weapon

[gusty bison]

Ehhhh

It has a faster rate of fire

But it wants headshofts

If you cant keep up with its rof the hb2 just hits harder per shot

[frank ether]

its not difficult to headshot with

[tall torrent]

Do mg4 and laspistol have the same dmg?

[gusty bison]

No

For most purposes laspistol hits harder

Cos of how falloff differs between the guns

[frank ether]

ofc it does, thats like the only advantage helbores have over laspistol lol

they hit harder

per shot

[gusty bison]

And hits some BPs laspistol cannot

[delicate estuary]

in the end of the day

laspistol is easier to pilot

[tall torrent]

I wanna get a good mg4 las to try

Didn’t vibe with laspistol too much

[gusty bison]

Id say helbore is easier to master

[frank ether]

and in return you move slower, have less stamina, weapon swaps take forever, your synergy with keystone is terrible compared to laspistol etc etc

[ebon umbra]

weapons specialist hellbore

[gusty bison]

Cos laspistol gets really difficult to chain headshots every 0.2s

[ebon umbra]

do it masochists

[frank ether]

there is nothing to master with laspistol you put a mod on and it becomes the best las weapon

[cosmic jacinth]

What's Suppression?

[delicate estuary]

only difference is that laspistol

is BiS for zealot

with blazing piety

you dont even have to aim

[gusty bison]

And you need to chain headshots every 0.2s to beat the helbore's DPS

[tall torrent]

Shooting your gun near a ranged enemy and it’ll suppress them

[frank ether]

I'd say its also bis for veteran if you want to use the left keystone

unless you want a carapace hunting gun

then helbore

[cosmic jacinth]

So if I'm immune to it, that means?

[gusty bison]

Left keystone bis is vraks 7

Imho

[delicate estuary]

ye

100%

[gusty bison]

Laspistol has nothing on a well piloted V7

But V7 has one of the harshest learning curves among all guns

[fast wind]

wouldn't plasma be better than helbore fo carapace hunting + left keystone? seems like it'd be very easy to rack up the finesse damage bonus with plasma - just put your cursor at vaguely head level in a crowd