veteran-class

[livid fractal]

no krak grenades

unusable

[tall torrent]

U can take krak and move stuff around

[livid fractal]

also is executioner's stance bad rn?

[raw steppe]

no

[raw steppe]

shout is just a bit overtuned

and invis is invis

[livid fractal]

frankly invis sounds really fun

[raw steppe]

it's fine

[livid fractal]

might do a knife/revolver vet at some poiint

[tall torrent]

It wants you to not get hit by melee

[raw steppe]

the problem is that everybody who takes invis

takes the 5% movespeed aura and smoke grenades

and invis gets a really bad rep

[tall torrent]

I think VoC is fine where it is rn

[livid fractal]

also no +25% ammo

[raw steppe]

nah i think shout cd should be 40s lol

[tall torrent]

Then the overtoughness should be higher as well

[livid fractal]

i also think the capstones are way too hard to reach

[astral blade]

my friend i dont mean to ask a silly question but why take demo team?

[ebon umbra]

invis rep is rightfully bad. it is nice flavor tho

[livid fractal]

made one slight modification

[raw steppe]

you just gotta accept

that not every build will get a capstone

[livid fractal]

yeah

[raw steppe]

i think about half of mine have it

[ebon umbra]

i am the 1%

[livid fractal]

what blessings on rashad and kant 1a?

[raw steppe]

the other have you just take better nodes

[south spindle]

All they really gotta do about that is reduce cost to reach them by like 3 points to any given one an it kinda fixes the issue entirely

[raw steppe]

uhhh iirc BM+HT; and no respite + fullbore/ff/ds

[south spindle]

Which isnt unlikely to happen tbh

[livid fractal]

i feel like vet needs more "middle nodes"

more options in the middle, less super long chains

[ocean moat]

Yeah, its all chains of 3x2 options

[tight dragon]

might as well use this

that's what i run

[raw steppe]

the tag supplementary nodes are really strong

they are definitely worth taking lol

[tight dragon]

maybe but i run iag

[gentle heath]

best autogun for auric?

[tight dragon]

kinda want the brittle

[raw steppe]

all of them are good

[gentle heath]

oh

but theres too many options

i cant choose i need someone to choose for me

[tight dragon]

MK V is a safe bet

[gentle heath]

headhunter?

[tight dragon]

columnus iag

[raw steppe]

iags = finesse automatic, brauto = bodyshot automatic, hh = finesse DMRs

[south spindle]

Least cursed IAG

I actually really like this tho lol

[tall torrent]

Demo team allows u to throw a lot of nades

[gentle heath]

whats the diff between headhunter and infantry

[raw steppe]

automatic

vs DMR

[tight dragon]

yeah headhunter is semi auto

[tall torrent]

Semi auto / burst head clicking machine
Vs
Fully automatic head clicking machine

Ur pick

[gentle heath]

fully auto

i just wanna shot

shoot

[astral blade]

brick or savable my friends?

[tight dragon]

then IAG or Braced

[raw steppe]

do you want to shoot head or do you want to shoot anywhere

[gentle heath]

kk

[astral blade]

what y'all think?

[tight dragon]

honestly columnus iag outperforms all the braced even on bodyshot imo

[gentle heath]

tryna use other weapons than helbore

but i love helbore

[raw steppe]

it doesnt lol

[gentle heath]

the 1 tap of gunners give me the dopamine for my fried silly brain

[raw steppe]

columnus has the highest DPS among the IAGs

but it makes fair tradeoffs for it

the problem is that most DT players are monkeys are only care about DPS

[astral blade]

guys is this a brick or savable?

[raw steppe]

and then when they die because of that, they type "bad team"

[gentle heath]

whats dt

[raw steppe]

it's a useable 3 mod gun

DarkTide

[gentle heath]

oh

i like dmg tho :C

dps

just wanna one shot the cheeky gunners in the back

[raw steppe]

columnus has the highest firerate and DPS, but it has insane recoil and terrible dmg falloff

[gentle heath]

oof

ig i'll use it if someone already usin a helbore or longrang option

[raw steppe]

makes it really hard to kill far away enemies, but it will completely rip through close enemies

[junior needle]

The recoil isn't that bad if you aren't moving with the columnus

[raw steppe]

graia is middle of the road, very good handling but less dps

[tight dragon]

i made this but it just feels infinitely worse in auric compared to my MKV and it doesn't even have good rolls

[raw steppe]

agri is other end, slower firerate, good handling, excellent falloff but doesn't have nearly as much dps

the braced autoguns are also very good if you're too lazy to shoot head

[astral blade]

what should i change exactly?

[raw steppe]

you have 2 options

[willow badger]

worth buying?

[raw steppe]

you either change both blessings to get handcannon + surgical; or you change trickshot to HC and keep HC+Crucian as your blessings, swap and swap crit damage to maniac

up to you

[gentle heath]

is terrifying barrage good or just gimicky?

[raw steppe]

bad

[gentle heath]

oh

it sounds like good cc tho :C

[junior needle]

Very bad

[willow badger]

what modifiers for wep spec are must take

[tight dragon]

tbf i got baited by agri braced having stopping bar, though it would increase the damage way more

[junior needle]

Stopping power does increase damage against various armor types

[tight dragon]

should've made a good columnus braced instead

[astral blade]

haven't used a revolver before so would like to know what i need to change

[junior needle]

Agri should be doing more damage

[gentle heath]

what should i get on my infantry autogun then?

blessing wise

[tight dragon]

i mean it does more per bullet but the rof is terrible

[willow badger]

which one to swap out

[junior needle]

dumdum and either fire frenzy or deathspitter. Terrifying barrage suppresses enemies in an area around you, and most melee enemies excepting groaners are outright immune to suppression.

[junior needle]

What gun?

[gentle heath]

perfect i got dumdumIV

[willow badger]

columnus

gonna slap fire frenzy on it

[gentle heath]

ok im gonna try out the autogun in auric

[junior needle]

Fire frenzy is much less important, swap out punishing for dumdum

[gentle heath]

if i dont like it imma try smth else or just go back to

[willow badger]

bet alright

[junior needle]

It's bugged and applies damage at longer ranges than close

[gentle heath]

helbore

[willow badger]

gotta farm for dumdum for iag

[tall torrent]

Punishing salvo -> dum dum

Stripped down is good

[steel quarry]

what should i do with this i have access to lvl 4 shattering and lvl 4 volatile I was thinking id rebless shattering to lvl 4 volatile and undecided on a perk change

[raw steppe]

volatile is bad sadly

[steel quarry]

oh i didnt know that

[raw steppe]

yeah it lowers your dps

you can do maniac/unyielding with gets-hot/blaze away

[steel quarry]

thanks i may leave shattering on for now till i get higher than a lvl 1 gets hot blessing

[wet moon]

build has remained fundamentally the same but agile instead of serrated and shovel, and took off target down for kraks
already working much much better in aur mael

[tight dragon]

wait am i not supposed to oneshot scab gunners on uncharged HS with plasma?

[raw steppe]

you are

you just dont get it for free lol

you need a slight bit of investment to hit the breakpoint on shout plasma

on the tree

[tight dragon]

though the weakness bonus was enough

guess need more

the 2% stopping power isn't gonna brick me surely right?

[forest blaze]

Maniac is a good pick instead of unyielding or unarmored

[raw steppe]

it might :P; here try this one and see if it brings you over the breakpoint

[fallow compass]

nah

[raw steppe]

it should bump you over the breakpoint at 3-4 stacks or so

[tall torrent]

Nice

[wet moon]

~75% plague ogryn HP in 1 columnus mag too

[tight dragon]

actually does without the keystone lmao

[livid fractal]

salvageable?

[raw steppe]

both gunners?

nice

[astral blade]

So the revolver on vet what is it best with

Ability wise

[tight dragon]

probably carried by the fatshark math since i got the funny charge rate number

[raw steppe]

yep

[livid fractal]

love the stats on this, is this saveable?

[tight dragon]

depends on your 2 other rolls man

might not be bricked yet

[tall torrent]

This is usable but the low mobility roll means you get less dodge counts

[livid fractal]

oh wait does the Ia actually want mob

FUCK

IT ROTATED

IM STUPID

[tall torrent]

Generally you want >50% mobility to get max dodge count

After >50% it’s a dump stat

[livid fractal]

ok so i basically need a 380 roll?

tbf ammo doesnt seem super important, my vet build gives Kant Ia basically inifnite ammo

oh 370

[tight dragon]

damage and stopping for max damage, stab is comfort, rest is dump stat imo except the 50% mob i guess

[astral blade]

Ok yeah not a huge fan of the revolver

[celest vine]

YES

[gentle heath]

idm autogun

[placid portal]

nice

[gentle heath]

but i still prefer my beloved helbore

[celest vine]

Literally cant get a higher combat rating than this

[forest blaze]

Stonks

[gentle heath]

380 is like max isnt it

[celest vine]

Yes

[gentle heath]

375 is all i get tho :C

[celest vine]

Brunt had that one for sale as a profane

[midnight mortar]

Yes.

[celest vine]

I saw the stats and thought: Brunt never has anything good

Gotta nab that

[placid portal]

380 aint always good, some 340s can get really good stat spread

[gentle heath]

would love it if it were mk1

[celest vine]

I spam fire

[gentle heath]

i do too

but i use onslaught

[celest vine]

Yea but this is an excellent spread

[gentle heath]

cant one tap gunners sadly with mk2

[celest vine]

All my builds abuse crits anyway

[gentle heath]

breh

i be usin raw headshot dmg

and the occassional crit

crit bodyshot on gunner one taps them too

[fathom edge]

kinda hot for a lmb build

[celest vine]

I usually get an insane crit rate on my Infantry las

[forest blaze]

Chop chop chop chop

[gentle heath]

[fathom edge]

neat

[tall torrent]

Congrats

[celest vine]

First 550

Be while before I get another one

[forest blaze]

Most importantly it’s a good 550

[spark helm]

Healthily jealous. I don't touch hellbores more than I had to when I was leveling. Then the keystone changed happened so I scrapped what I had left to begin with lol

[tall torrent]

That 550 could have been better but it’s already very good

[celest vine]

Change crit damage for flak or unyielding

Im aware its not perfect

Its extremely good

[summer notch]

time to spend 1 morbillion more ordos to raise my damage by 1% :)))))

i hate this tencent lootbox bullshit

[celest vine]

My Infantry las is the same

549

It just couldn’t get that extra 1%

[spark helm]

I'm not even aware of what people mean when they say perfect in this game. But yeah all that looks great.

[junior needle]

On ranged weapons the dodge is not very important, it's just nice if you can get it. Go up to purple and see if the second perk is scuffed.

[flat pebble]

the CMs have said tencent is super hands off, this is all fatshark baybee

[spark helm]

If I had a hellbore like that I'd actually use it more regularly.

[livid fractal]

alr lost it, it rotated

[celest vine]

My current primary has a better stat spread

[summer notch]

the company designated voice said the overlords are super "hands off" totally believable

[flat pebble]

you don’t have to take one dev’s word for it

[midnight mortar]

Even if tencent doesn't tell them what to do, given that Tencent is a major investor there's going to be expectations about revenue.

That's just the reality of being a traded company.

[summer notch]

not to blow gas in their face, it's just that tencent culture/expectations trickle down in bad ways

[summer notch]

exactly

[midnight mortar]

So, Fatshark is going to adopt particular practices to meet that demand.

[flat pebble]

tencent didn’t say make a fucked up crafting system is my point

[woven fractal]

@civic terrace oi were you running Weapon specialist with that Shovel build u showed me the other day?

[summer notch]

the cosmetic system changes were enough to tell me that there's weird shit happening behind the scenes

[flat pebble]

tencent said we wanna improve retention metric and fatshark said well boy do we have some ideas

[summer notch]

its almost on fortnite level tiers of predation

[flat pebble]

tencent didn’t invent shitty microtransactions

[midnight mortar]

I just love the silent adjustment of the Veteran Krieg chestpiece's rebreather box. "Oh shit, people are complaining and refunding! Uhh quick Bjornson, do something!" Z axis -> squished in one dimension. Done.

[warm idol]

what cosmetic changes

hasnt it been the same since launch lol

[summer notch]

vt2 cosmetics and vermintides cosmetic systems

[warm idol]

or do you mean vt2 vs dt

ah

[flat pebble]

they started charging more for less

[livid fractal]

hows dis

[summer notch]

no, but they definitely are pushing it worse than vt2

[warm idol]

its not tencent as much as it is just fatshark suits being greedy

[celest vine]

Bad

[summer notch]

i'm excited for the new cosmetics, but it has made me annoyed that we are getting that while xbox players get aquillas

[summer notch]

i'd say its both

[warm idol]

thats cringe, seriously who cares about the vanguard pack those cosmetics are mid

[celest vine]

Would be useable if stability and mobility were swapped

[livid fractal]

what's Kant Ia godroll

[warm idol]

just give us aquillas

[livid fractal]

honestly i love em ;-;

[celest vine]

But what is there to buy

[livid fractal]

they look clean af

[celest vine]

💀

[warm idol]

I dont need more zealot and psyker cosmetics cuz I dont play em

[summer notch]

i mean, i'm usually not a big cosmetic person, but the xbox ability to disable crossplay while PC can't and their aquillas makes me worry a bit

[warm idol]

atm nothing that I like but its more so in the future

[celest vine]

There hasnt been anything good in months

[flat pebble]

idk we have had some fire weapon cosmetics imo

[celest vine]

Its all shitmetics no one wants

[junior needle]

Just grab things in the shop if they have good stats, it's much more expensive to get that kind of roll from brunt

[warm idol]

at some point they will HAVE to give us an everything at once store or a faster rotation with more pages

considering how many unreleased cosmetics there are

rotation every two weeks is already slow asf

[flat pebble]

i think it’s likely. my gut says part of this is that they are trying to build up a stock and a rotation makes it seems like they potentially have more than they do

[celest vine]

Thats why they got rid of that mod that revealed unreleased itsms

It really showed how bad their drip feed was

[midnight mortar]

Don't worry friend! The Vanguard Pack is acceptable compensation! No do not try to compare their Aquila value to the 14,000 Aquilas of the Imperial Edition on Xbox! Also, please do not ask why giving PC players an exclusive cosmetic pack and then a separate unequal reward for Xbox players is supposed to make things fair!

[flat pebble]

also can’t xbox players get the vanguard pack with a little finagling?

[midnight mortar]

Yes. That's yet another small irony on top of it all.

They can still get it via gamepass shenanigans.

[warm idol]

I wont be surprised if we get a normal store and crafting system in another year but sheesh this gaming trend of releasing shit systems on purpose to patch things up later for goodwill is annoying

[junior needle]

Please also do not ask about why the Vanguard Pack has cosmetics literally taken from existing in game NPC's!

[warm idol]

thats the formula of basically every live service game ever

[warm idol]

I would unironically be all over that pack if it was literally just the poster armor

[midnight mortar]

B-but they're teaser trailer cosmetics!! What, you want launch trailer cosmetics? We hear you Rejects! Trailer cosmetics soon! *teaser

[tall torrent]

High dmg, ammo, stopping power

50% mobility
High stability is good

Flak + maniac/unyielding

Headhunter + deadly accurate

[celest vine]

It would have been better compensation to give PC users the title screen cosmetics

[flat pebble]

please do not the live service game formula

[warm idol]

yeah that armor looks great

[celest vine]

At least the tile screen stuff is primo shit

[junior needle]

Would've been better just to give us aquilas

[flat pebble]

i just want that ogryn chest

[celest vine]

Shitcoin

[midnight mortar]

Hey, at least you can look at it every time you go to their official forums.

[warm idol]

and vet chest

proper armor check

gloves check

[tidal rapids]

Why even Aquilas, is normal currency not good enough?

[flat pebble]

isn’t it basically the same as the redacted penance vet armor?

[celest vine]

Or give us enforcer armor

[warm idol]

enforcer armor too

give that

[warm idol]

nah

its quite different

[junior needle]

Aquilas are the premium cosmetic currency?

[midnight mortar]

The reason is because Imperial Edition Xbox purchasers got 14,000 free Aquilas (premium currency for the premium store).

[junior needle]

And that's what xbox players got?

[celest vine]

Pc users get gifted 100k plasteel to shut them up

[tidal rapids]

I meant, why Aquilas exist at all

[midnight mortar]

PC Imperial Edition purchasers only got 2500 Aquilas back when the game launched.

[junior needle]

sell skins

[flat pebble]

i would shut up for sure for 100k plasteel

[warm idol]

make it a million

and ill settle

kek

[forest blaze]

That’d shut me up tbh

[midnight mortar]

To act as a vehicle for microtransactions.

[flat pebble]

but then again i never bothered complaining about the aquilas because i don’t care that much

[forest blaze]

100k plasteel to stop complaining? I’m fuckin in.

[summer notch]

I'm so happy I didn't buy the imperial edition for PC with today's cosmetic prices

idk why I'm even here, I don't even have a vet character

[forest blaze]

Absolute heresy

[midnight mortar]

A fun little "fuck you" to those who saved those Aquilas. Raise the price just high enough that you can't afford the new bundle off the Imperial Edition alone.

[summer notch]

woe be upon thee, smite

[midnight mortar]

If you were foolish enough to buy it at launch on PC that is.

[willow badger]

wwhich blessing to keep

[forest blaze]

Me

I’m that fool.

[flat pebble]

is the implication you’re changing one blessing or that you’re yoinking a blessing for your collection

[willow badger]

yoinking

[flat pebble]

i’d probably just do the tier 4 one because tier 4

[warm idol]

im honestly fine with cosmetic mtx I just hate how gaming companies keep attaching caveats to it to make it more predatory and annoying

like fomo with rotating store

battle passes

etc

why cant we just have a normal store with everything like how a lot of games used to do

[flat pebble]

yeah if they were just real money and not made to be impulse purchases i think it would alleviate a lot of the negative reaction to them

[tall torrent]

I’m one of those people that care about weapon cosmetics way more than armor cosmetics on my character

[serene bough]

because pandora's box has been opened

there's no going back

[warm idol]

I like both

but most of my fav weapons

don't have sick drip

[flat pebble]

i typically don’t mind mtx and i like supporting fatshark but the system they have going on is head scratchingly structured to say the least

[warm idol]

like the braced autogun skin on the zealot part of the store is sick but I hate braced autos

[finite imp]

POGGERS

POG KNIFE POG KNIFE

[tall torrent]

Only armor piece I maybe care abt is chest piece because that changes gloves for my character
The rest I literally don’t even see in an actual game outside of being downed or reviving

[forest blaze]

Robo arm skin when

[flat pebble]

3rd person mod things

[forest blaze]

So I can get it with robo legs

[tall torrent]

The worst part is
It’s not even optimized to promote MTX

Having 3 armor sets at any moment that rotates bi-weekly with barely any weapon cosmetics being sold in a pretty strict first person shooter is ???

[gentle heath]

im rich in plasteel

(i got 1k)

[forest blaze]

Give

[flat pebble]

fr i wish we had more weapon skins if anything

[gentle heath]

no

[flat pebble]

that’s what i actually look forward to seeing in the store

[finite imp]

lemme MTX some plasteel

[gentle heath]

[forest blaze]

Let me snort diamantine like cocaine

[gentle heath]

why isnt there like

a person to make diamantine into

plasteel

[forest blaze]

Diamantine into snortable diamantine combat stims

[gentle heath]

diamantine into support combat cubes

i wna cuddle with my support combat diamantine cube during a horde

[forest blaze]

Also. Where’s my little servoskull buddy. I should have a little serviskull buddy.

[flat pebble]

man i am confused

[forest blaze]

Give me a servoskull buddy that automatically highlights all the ammo

[flat pebble]

tech adept class when

[gentle heath]

give servoskull that kills everything in sight

[flat pebble]

with lil servo skull drones

[forest blaze]

Give servoskull buddy that grinds my diamantine into a snortable powder

[gentle heath]

when can i summon an army of krieg to fight the horde for me

[tall torrent]

Almost 1 year after launch we got Krieg set (and it’s horribly buggy and clips in collars, still not fixed yet)

We don’t have Cadian shock troop armor

We don’t have Cadian kasrkin armor

We don’t have Krieg grenadier armor

We don’t have Catachan jungle warrior armor

We don’t have vostroyan or Valhallan uniforms

Steel legion got reskinned and that’s about it

[forest blaze]

I’d literally pay the Moebians in a metric ton of diamantine to fuck off

[flat pebble]

give me a servo skull buddy that gives me narcan when i OD on airborne stims

[tall torrent]

And obviously we can’t even have the GAMEPLAY TRAILER veteran armor

[forest blaze]

Literally can’t have that armor set.

[serene bough]

i wonder if this is just an internal joke

FS laughing at us that we can't get the cover armor

[flat pebble]

i’d respect it if it was

[forest blaze]

I bet it was brought up in some design meeting enough that management got annoyed and sent an internal memo to stop asking about it

[flat pebble]

just some swedish dude shouting to his team about no title screen armor

[tall torrent]

They’re not even optimizing the cash shop well

Veteran cosmetics look sad

[serene bough]

what does an angry swedish person even sound like

[forest blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/swedish-chef-muppets-muppet-show-borg-gif-22720887

[gentle heath]

when can they make a helbore machinegun that has 4 rotating barrels that spin up and shoot a godly amount of high powered laser shots

[warm idol]

tfw we cant even get a normal set of cadian guardsmen armor that fully covers the body

[tall torrent]

If they really wanted to make money, release one kasrkin or scion pack and they’d be banking

[warm idol]

like the most basic bitch set

youd think it would be one of the first

[flat pebble]

i can only imagine the krieg set made bank

[forest blaze]

I only need the armor to cover my massive testicles 🦾

[gentle heath]

ive won 2 auric maelstorm missions so far

took 50 mins :D

good investment of my time

[warm idol]

I thought the krieg set was ugly but thats just me

[gentle heath]

u

[warm idol]

didnt even game with a lucius skin

[gentle heath]

u are horrible

[warm idol]

waste tbh

[gentle heath]

krieg looks fire

[forest blaze]

AH for fun
AD for sweat
AM for tears

[warm idol]

armageddon >>>>>>> krieg

[gentle heath]

the clipping disgusting tho

[tall torrent]

Krieg set is funny because the veteran Krieg helmet clips with collars horribly (still unfixed) and for some reason zealot is the one who gets the cool Krieg grenadier mask

[flat pebble]

zealot krieg shoulder still looks cosplay level bad

why does it sit like that

why are the candles acting that way

that said i do like the krieg sets as a whole

[gentle heath]

its fun getting gun downed by a shooting squad of 10 snipers

or getting bombed by a bomber that hides within the thicc horde of 1000 enemies

and 8 carapace ogryns that can one shot u

[tall torrent]

If they want to make easy money

Sell Boltgun skin

Sell plasma gun

Sell every meta weapon’s skin

[gentle heath]

with the occassional 3 trappers that spawn every 30 seconds

[flat pebble]

i’d appreciate if they buffed the bolter before giving us a cool skin for it

[gentle heath]

yea

like

the dmg there

but the dmg is only for 1 horde D:

1 horde and all the ammo is gone

[flat pebble]

why u using it on hordes is my followup question

[gentle heath]

its more usefull in auric tho with the perk for ammo regen and the ungodly amount of heresy that exists

well the horde has all the specials hidding innit

[tall torrent]

I need a good IAG remodel

[gentle heath]

gotta clear them out somehow

[tall torrent]

There was this skin but idk when it’ll return

[flat pebble]

i’ve been running the one lasgun cosmetic that came with the first steel legion set into the ground since i got it

sorry you said iag

brain hurty

[tall torrent]

The black & gold one? Yea it’s amazing

[gentle heath]

take a break from the heresy

[flat pebble]

yeah the one with the gold eagle on it

[north spoke]

When the Vanguard Skins dropping?

[flat pebble]

i have a weird red iag skin from somewhere that i don’t exactly like

[tall torrent]

Tmr or the day after tmr

[flat pebble]

i think it was from the zealot bundle with the gold mask

[tall torrent]

Or fatshark lied and it’s not dropping this month

[north spoke]

Fuq

[warm idol]

honestly

sell us skins of different patterns of weapons

that they arent planning to make playable

[tall torrent]

That’s already a thing with the laspistol skin that came with Krieg set

[flat pebble]

it’s my job that does it unfortunately

[gentle heath]

still waiting for space hulk deathwing 2 to come out in the near unforseable future :C

[tall torrent]

There’s an Accatran Mk IX laspistol skin lol

[warm idol]

it had a laspistol skin?

show

[tall torrent]

Need to get home

[flat pebble]

it wasn’t in the bundle but released alongside them

[warm idol]

ah

ig I missed it

[tall torrent]

It was in the Psyker Krieg page

[warm idol]

shame on me

[flat pebble]

it’s very slick tbh

[warm idol]

rotating store :)))))))

[flat pebble]

so i guess psyker laspistol special is a force push?

anyone use it?

[tender rose]

yes, it works well

same as the push back you get with a melee weapon

[flat pebble]

hmmmm interesting

[warm idol]

iirc every weapon that has like a push alt move becomes a psychic push on pskyer

[flat pebble]

so it just tosses basically anything in the ground or does it stop at ogryns

[willow badger]

hnnng i'm so used to running shout i get clapped whenever runnning volley fire

[warm idol]

honestly volley feels so weak post rework

[gentle heath]

yea

[warm idol]

you used to have shit like camo or unwavering

[gentle heath]

but also

invis is so op

[willow badger]

have actually never run invis

[gentle heath]

being able to reposition anywhere and avoid dmg for a lengthy amount of time

[serene bough]

cant think of any reason to take volley fire

[gentle heath]

is rlly broken

[serene bough]

or exe stance

whatever its called nomw

[warm idol]

but then you dont use shout

[willow badger]

what did old camo used to do

[umbral scaffold]

i love ex stance

millions of heretics must die

[serene bough]

standing still reduced threat

[warm idol]

basically standing still gives you almost no aggro

[gentle heath]

yea but shout aint gonna de agro enemies off my ass unlike stealth and 90% de agro buff

[midnight mortar]

Stand still and receive 90% threat reduction.

[warm idol]

I used to have poxwalkers and crushers run past me

lmao

[umbral scaffold]

tertium has fallen millions of heretics must die https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1125868594174111806/1169791738580320337/IMG_0151.png?ex=65725ff4&is=655feaf4&hm=a05729c0238e9dd945c6c6fcbd7e6c17f278fc57ca804c0608bc7f500e1b45d2&

[warm idol]

ok cool but I knocked everyone down and gave everyone an overshield

[gentle heath]

the name of the passive dont even make sense no more

[serene bough]

shout and invis both have their place

exe stance on the other hand is lacking

[gentle heath]

yea but wht abt bosses :3

[umbral scaffold]

so fragile, we are the frontline for tertium

[gentle heath]

bosses aint gonna stop

[midnight mortar]

An unfortunate casualty of Fatshark's lack of thorough checks.

[umbral scaffold]

we gonna kill them all

[flat pebble]

it knocks back bosses lol

[warm idol]

it does tho

[flat pebble]

sorry wrong person i replied to

[midnight mortar]

Bosses are staggered by VoC.

[gentle heath]

im all abt the support vet

[flat pebble]

and you’ll do it again every 30 seconds minimum

[warm idol]

invis is better for clutching and being self dependent but this is a team game

[gentle heath]

also i like it better for snipers

[warm idol]

I value the utility I bring for my team

[flat pebble]

i can usually get off at least 4 stuns on bosses as a vet including my two kraks

[warm idol]

plus with the cd reduction talent

the uptime is crazy

[gentle heath]

i still used to invis

cuz im sniping

[glacial mist]

does krak works on bosses

[flat pebble]

shout vet also provides so much value in the form of letting you tank a burster or snipers for basically free every thirty seconds

[gentle heath]

invis works better for me

[warm idol]

invis aint bad but shout is gigachad

[gentle heath]

cuz of the threat detection

[flat pebble]

is sticks but doesn’t magnetize

[glacial mist]

or more specificly the final one

the one with the shield

[flat pebble]

shield has to be off first

[gentle heath]

gives me time to line up my shots to the heads of gunners

thats why i dont like shout actually it displaces their heads

and then it takes 2 shots

[glacial mist]

the shield just keep coming back tho

[flat pebble]

it sticks to the armor but bounces off the overshield

[gentle heath]

to the body

or 1 with a crit

[glacial mist]

like real fast too

[flat pebble]

yeah that’s kinda the problem about that

[warm idol]

if you are in shouting range you just melee tho

[wet moon]

not mercy killer?

[gentle heath]

nah i like using helbore

this is my playstyle

[flat pebble]

you shouldn’t need to burn kraks on one of those bosses though they should be easy

[warm idol]

bayonet them

[wet moon]

nice knife tho nj

[warm idol]

pussy

[glacial mist]

but you have bayonet with helbore no?

[gentle heath]

headshot gives more dopamine

[glacial mist]

just stab em

[gentle heath]

idk why u fighting me on my playstyle

[warm idol]

because you said invis is better

thus

I must prove you wrong

[gentle heath]

ok

[flat pebble]

“better” is one of those dangerous words around here

[warm idol]

I like both but shout fits my monkey brain playstyle more

[wet moon]

https://tenor.com/view/its-peak-peak-fiction-one-piece-gif-26139262

[midnight mortar]

If you haven't tried yet, it is entirely possible to use the mk2 and mk1's bayonets as a stand in for your melee weapon 90% of the time. Their bayonets are extremely strong now.

[gentle heath]

mainly use stealth to deagro myself from ranged targets like a horde of gunners or snipers

[flat pebble]

i like shout because it’s two points and that’s all it needs

invis got so many nodes

[warm idol]

esp with a weapon that has bm/limbsplitter

[junior grail]

I heard they might get nerfed?

[warm idol]

funny bug

[midnight mortar]

True, though this will inevitably be nerfed.

I'm expecting it. So best to enjoy it while you can.

Just like the VId.

[wet moon]

so is stealth, really tho. like you dont need the vast majority of them

[flat pebble]

the bug interaction is almost certainly getting stomped on but the bayonets themselves might still be fine

[warm idol]

the melee blessing interaction will prolly be fixed but even without em the helbore bayonet fucks

[umbral scaffold]

veteran supremacy

[junior grail]

Even without the bug, two quick bayonet stabs to kill a Trapper is fantastic

[flat pebble]

i at minimum want two charges and the threat detection thing so that’s already 3 charges

[gentle heath]

i got a stealth with 4 nades and a chance to throw double the nades

[flat pebble]

but yeah i get it

[gentle heath]

cuz spamming nades is fun

[wet moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1071827303631437854/1172267185209614407/caption.gif?ex=655fb1e4&is=654d3ce4&hm=b1af8d43d825cf8560802f2afa5f8dd141efce2cfd0e28e914e8a4da8ec2bf42&

[frank ether]

you'd have a reason if they didn't split it into 5 different parts and give some of those parts to different classes lmao

[tall torrent]

Limbsplitter bayonet is op
Brutal momentum honestly feels like how the bayonet should behave at a baseline

[wet moon]

2 charges is eh and low profile is for cowards

ngl

[junior grail]

Watch out for Scryer GunPsykers

[finite imp]

does mercy killer and uncanny stroke go together

strike

[flat pebble]

2 charges is so i can always have a second up for when i need to make a rez and the threat reduction is because i am a ghost in the night

[gentle heath]

UNCANNY STROKE?

[junior grail]

Knife?

[finite imp]

ye

[gentle heath]

low profiles is for me

[wet moon]

yes, but it'd need serrated

[gentle heath]

i gotta snipe

[wet moon]

but it's very strong

[flat pebble]

that said i haven’t used the stealth since the shout got buffed. it’s just so good and simple to use

[gentle heath]

the high priority targets

[finite imp]

you mean take the talent

[glacial mist]

when the orgyn say shouty

im confused to which he meant

me or the zealot

[wet moon]

and zealots who use flechette/kantrael shotgun and then hold a THammer with thunderous to weaken groups of them

or just. use the THammer

[frank ether]

shout only needs one upgrade and its central

[flat pebble]

he mean shouty. is ogryn

[junior grail]

Talking about stroke in the head or stroking the head

[wet moon]

yes

[wet moon]

zealot

ogyy calls vet sah :)

[junior grail]

Do many ppl use Flechette? I haven't tried myself

[glacial mist]

i think i shout louder than the zealot

[midnight mortar]

Even Nurgle be mortified at how uncanny my head stroking is.

[wet moon]

it's wacky but VERY fun

[flat pebble]

it’s a meme but can work so it’s a fun meme

[gentle heath]

kinda wished they buffed smoke nade so it made allies innit 50% threat detect while also hightlighting enemies in it

[junior grail]

Bet you use a Powerfist too you madlad

[gentle heath]

or just

[wet moon]

Kantrael shotgun: Flechette and Scattershot to proc crits, bc fire shots have infinite cleave
Hammer: Thunderous
when bleed procs on armoured enemies, hold the hammer and proc the brittleness on them

[gentle heath]

gas the mfs

[gusty bison]

That... wont do much

[frank ether]

smoke grenade is a meme that doesn't yet know its a meme

[gentle heath]

turn the smoke nade into a gas nade

[gusty bison]

You realize how threat works right?

[finite imp]

pog knife

[gusty bison]

If everyone is -90% threat, no one is

[gentle heath]

ok make 1 person on the team take all the agro

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/syndrome-the-incredibles-evil-laugh-villain-gif-7373018

[flat pebble]

so reverse ogryn taunt

[wet moon]

with a piety build, you can activate piety/fury basically INSTANTLY with a single fire shot

sry for shouty stuff in vet chat but ye

[gentle heath]

imagine having 3 invis teammates and ur the only one that doesnt have invis and they all dip

[gusty bison]

Ah yes the best way to grief ur teammates

[wet moon]

it's funny, it's fun. memey but wacky

[flat pebble]

if they didn’t want to be griefed they should be playing the sims

this is darktide

[finite imp]

imagine not griefing in the sims

[flat pebble]

i wield barrel against friend and foe alike

[glacial mist]

https://tenor.com/view/apex-legends-gaming-lmao-squad-gif-13695039

[wet moon]

the build in practice - notice how i proc blazing piety immediately

[gentle heath]

gas nade ftw

gas em all

[wet moon]

a gas nade wouldve been so much cooler than smoke

[gentle heath]

and more effective against armoured enemies

making them like

cry n shit

cuz all the gas in their eyes

and in their lungs

[flat pebble]

something something but NURGLE likes gas

[gentle heath]

and a 10% chance that some of them has like asthma or some shit

and just die completely

gas with nano mites

[flat pebble]

do you guys notice how people lore themselves out of fun gear or useful prompts in this game

[gentle heath]

gas with holy water?

holy grenade

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-and-the-holy-grail-open-holy-hand-grenade-gif-16402008

[wet moon]

i think Ryken XIV just made a build video using this build if you want to see it

[wet moon]

all the time

[junior grail]

Ooooo interesting

[flat pebble]

“zealot fire nades are hard to see what if they were green or something” actually, the chaos gods—

fuck you i just wanna be able to see at a quicker glance if the fire is safe to be in

[gentle heath]

make urself color blind

so now u see red as green

[wet moon]

it's fun, it basically turns groups of armoured enemies into a total joke as ur teammate with normal guns shoot right through them. then just clean up with the hammer

[gentle heath]

give urself color blind settings in ur mind lmao

[flat pebble]

i’ll ask my buddy with red green color blindness to hook it up

[gentle heath]

grenade that makes all enemy armour brittle

im thinking of nades to replace smoke nade

[flat pebble]

shredder with thunderous hammer?

[gentle heath]

WAIT

I KNOW

[gilded wraith]

Carapace or something else?

[gentle heath]

nade that give u all roids

U SNIFF THAT SHIT UP

AND GET ROID RAGE

[junior needle]

Definitely something else

[finite imp]

so smelling salts

[frank ether]

do not sneef

[tall torrent]

Sah -> veteran
Shouty -> zealot
Not sure how he calls Psykers

[flat pebble]

can’t stop this sniff

[flat pebble]

sparkhead?

[gentle heath]

diamantine nade

[glacial mist]

sparky i think?

[junior needle]

I love how I get into a lobby with a 6d vet and people just start leaving

[tall torrent]

Oh yea

[willow badger]

god ads with bolter is so shaky

[tall torrent]

Sparkhead

[umbral scaffold]

i connected my headphone jack to the front port of my pc and things r louder is it cause the sounds closer?

[gentle heath]

uses all the useless diamantine and does big dmg

[willow badger]

whats a 6d vet

[flat pebble]

based leavers

[junior needle]

recon 6d is a gun

[willow badger]

oh lmao

[serene bough]

true lmao

[junior needle]

All the recons are quite bad right now

This was auric 5'

[gentle heath]

how abt instead of a nade to replace smoke they give vet stims

for like speed or dmg boosts

[gilded wraith]

Woot, meth!

[wet moon]

these are two VERY scuffed clips of it in practice, healthbars on bc i wanted to see how well it was procing

[wet moon]

https://tenor.com/view/based-so-fucking-zased-sam-hyde-samir-al-hyden-samuel-hyde-costco-incident-gif-23747241

[flat pebble]

i’m not ever going to forget the game i had in auric damnation with a fresh level 30 psyker with a grey mk6 recon lasgun

like man what game do you think you are in

[forest blaze]

Diamantine cocaine?

[junior grail]

That's a nice alternate option for antiarmour

[tall torrent]

If Ogryn ever gets a 4th subclass he should be able to consume enemy corpses to heal small amounts of health

[gentle heath]

diamantine cocain nade

[wet moon]

it is!!

[gentle heath]

makes a gas cloud that u and ur teammates can sniff

getting that extra high and push u need

[junior grail]

Works with all shotties?

[wet moon]

super offensive build, and effectively boosts teams damage

[gentle heath]

drains health overtime tho :3

[tall torrent]

He constantly mentions taking bites off heretics anyway

[flat pebble]

called improvised rations

[gentle heath]

consume downed allies

so ogryn just does vore then

[half ginkgo]

Just call this ability “Extra Rations” right?

[gentle heath]

ogryn is just nurgle slug

[wet moon]

no, just kantrael fire shots. fire shot has infinite cleave by default, which is what lets it proc Scattershot instantly as well as apply fire/bleed/etc to everyone in one or two shots. you wouldnt want to use this with another shotty anyway

[flat pebble]

go down on allies??

[half ginkgo]

I will pay to see this

[gentle heath]

the eating animation if done in a specific position makes it look like ogryn giving sloppy

[flat pebble]

lawbringer procs scattershot very easily with the special just gonna say

[wet moon]

\

[gentle heath]

ogryns bottom jaw gets in the way so he has to open his mouth wider

[flat pebble]

the thunderous interaction certainly is better with kantrael though

[wet moon]

not as well as the fire. not nearly as well. fire goes in a straight line, all the way thru every body until it hits geometry on the other side

[junior grail]

With Headtaker and Thrust

[flat pebble]

i used a flechette lawbringer a lot recently without any problems whatsoever

[half ginkgo]

The advantage of Kantrael is infinite cleave on special. It will go through absolutely anything till it will hit the geometry. Extremely good for stacking shit like Thunderous

[junior grail]

Got it, so does Flechette need anything else on Kant shotty?

[wet moon]

im just saying it's not nearly as effective for this build

[flat pebble]

sure i was just saying specifically the scattershot consistency though

[wet moon]

flechette and scattershot. first fire shot will max out scattershot, next fire shot will basically be a guaranteed flechette proc (and Piety activation), then hold the thunderous hammer for ~3-4 ticks. then max brittleness is applied and their armour is paper

[flat pebble]

i was clear in saying the kantrael was certainly better for the thunderous interaction

[wet moon]

oh, fair. i thought we were still talking in context w thunderous. yeah a weapons specialist vet w flechette lawbringer is very fun

[junior grail]

Ahhh so needs the anti armour effect of Blazing Piety

[wet moon]

nono. the piety keystone's just gravy and gives extra crit. it doesnt have anti armour, you're thinking of Chastise the Wicked. the anti-armour here comes from holding the thunderous hammer in your hands while the bleed is active on armoured enemies.

[flat pebble]

i do it with my zealot who has a significantly better lawbringer plus blazing piety but i can see that for a vet

blazing piety is just simply crit

the anti armor comes from the thunderous/damage over time interaction

[grave cargo]

Can I save this

[wet moon]

this

[junior grail]

Oh whoops yea chastise

[wet moon]

crit bonus is poopoo

so if ur using weapon specialist thats okay but otherwise ehhhh

[flat pebble]

crit and bleed, somehow the biggest traps in this game if you don’t know what you’re getting yourself into

[half ginkgo]

The idea is that after first shot your next cantrael shot is like 60% crit chance minimum and if you fire it into horde or shit you get a serious amount of crits to go for proccing piety.

Add in stuff like shred Evis for 80% crit chance and maybe even bloodletter and you are almost guaranteed to crit whatever you want.

And if you are out of position just press relic and walk away lul

[flat pebble]

wouldn’t it be 65% base crit chance total because the character’s base 5%

[half ginkgo]

Good correction

[flat pebble]

sorry ogryn buds

[grave cargo]

How much damage am I actually losing on crits from not having 24% more?

[wet moon]

https://youtu.be/4ylSJcD6ECk?si=AX478wJxb-UW40km&t=341

here's the build, starting at 5:41

[grave cargo]

Like what's a max crit and damage roll look like

[wet moon]

inspect the gun and see for urself

[flat pebble]

it’s the crit chance you want

inspect the stat

[grave cargo]

Huh, like

8%

Pretty significant I guess

[wet moon]

mhm

[flat pebble]

yeah unfortunately

[half ginkgo]

Imho, zealot chat may kill me for saying this but shred + rampage/blood letter is the play on well rolled Evis

[flat pebble]

but surgical obviously takes care of that, it’s just how long you need to aim for it to be a likely crit changes

[wet moon]

this was right until bloodletter

[flat pebble]

savage sweep rampage is my go to. SS does a lot

and bloodletter is far better on chsword

[wet moon]

bloodletter is massively nerfed on evis vc chainsword. HOWEVER - if you have bloodletter on a chainsword, and heavy rev a crusher, then activate Chasitse halfway thru youll instantly kill the crusher

[devout atlas]

hi kitten

[wet moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/966976477885243395/1006139398099849276/ezgif-3-06a3df8277.gif

[half ginkgo]

Have both options, switch liberally, fun both ways, but in my observation when you absolutely need to take that plague Ogryn or DH bloodletter puts in some work for proccing Scourge

[flat pebble]

just be a chad and run a purple evis with the only blessing being rec it up

[devout atlas]

holy shirt

a Cat

[flat pebble]

i kinda just accept my crusher and boss damage output is gonna be bad if i use an evis

[devout atlas]

atp why not use a heavy sword or dclaw

[flat pebble]

for that weapon i wanna make it perform better in its normal good use case environment. for chsword i love rampage bloodletter though

[half ginkgo]

Not a bad call but I do notice that the shortcoming of must pugs nowadays is subpar DPS when it comes to monstrosities

[flat pebble]

because it’s fun and it’s good against literally every other enemy except the ones i mentioned

[wet moon]

chainsword sweeps unfortunately

[half ginkgo]

Heck I even use 2 perks to get Purge the Unclean for extra 20% unyielding

[flat pebble]

this can be a problem to be sure

[half ginkgo]

Oh look, the one melee Hadron consistently fucks me over

[wet moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1071827303631437854/1172267185209614407/caption.gif?ex=655fb1e4&is=654d3ce4&hm=b1af8d43d825cf8560802f2afa5f8dd141efce2cfd0e28e914e8a4da8ec2bf42&

[flat pebble]

the gleeful ease with which you can shred up mixed hordes with a ss rampage evis makes up for the relative lack of crusher and boss responses

[wet moon]

special + F + hold M1

[flat pebble]

plus chastise exists and solves the crushers problem

[half ginkgo]

Yeah true

[flat pebble]

i need to do more practice with crushers tho. contra in the zealot chat can solo up to three with the evis with heavies

[devout atlas]

What to do with this? Headhunter or replace Infested?

[half ginkgo]

Personally, I like relic for cases if I fuck up or group need toughness ASAP but for the love of Emperor - if one zealot uses the relic you don’t need to use 2 more. Please, no, just kill shit

[wet moon]

no stability is fucking lole but yeah replace respite w headhunter

[devout atlas]

probably wont even affect this piece of shit lol

[half ginkgo]

Unarmored and HH

[flat pebble]

already used one lock

[half ginkgo]

HH then

[wet moon]

oh yeah u already used one lock it's basically bricked

[devout atlas]

oh nah this things stability actually is ass

oh well i got it for free anyway

[flat pebble]

lol

yeah that stab was eyebrow raising for sure

[devout atlas]

I heard the heavy recon isnt bad rn

[wet moon]

no its terrible

[half ginkgo]

Reminds me - my “best” Voidstrike is Emps Gift and that PoS has 25% blast radius but 2 25% perks and 2 T4 blessings

[flat pebble]

heavy… recon

is that the 7

[wet moon]

theyre all terrible

[devout atlas]

shut up healthbar mod user :^)

[devout atlas]

ye

as in the no ammo consumed thing works on it better than the other recons

[flat pebble]

i mean you’re gonna get mixed reactions to asking if the 7 is good i’ll tell you that much

[junior grail]

What about minimap user? Not that I've tried

[devout atlas]

this thing seems mid imma just use the Ia

[trim steppe]

What is the concensus on keystone modifiers for weapon spec?

[devout atlas]

thats just gimping yourself atp

use your ears

[junior grail]

Recon 7 feels strong but isnt strong

[devout atlas]

if i had a distraction at the top right of my screen i'd die more

[junior grail]

I sometimes play while listening to audiobooks...

[devout atlas]

the Ia is the best lasgun rn right?

then thats fine imho thats good for deaf people too

[half ginkgo]

Yeah

[junior grail]

Rn ya

[devout atlas]

no disability that requires you to have healthbars on

:^)

well...

[flat pebble]

what’s wrong with healthbars

they came included in the modpack i use and i like em

[junior grail]

Mez?

[devout atlas]

skill issue and i will bully you for using them

silence crowbar

[wet moon]

there is objectively nothing wrong wiht knowing how much damage you do

[flat pebble]

that’s the one

[devout atlas]

i will wedgie you

[wet moon]

cope euro

[devout atlas]

???

hope that ambulance fee is nice

[wet moon]

im canadian we dont have those dummy

nice try, swing and a miss

[tall torrent]

Yea, it’s horrendous

[half ginkgo]

Err, how about grinder and testing shit so you know how much dmg you deal??

[flat pebble]

it’s funny when the non american anglos fight

[junior grail]

Its fine if you like it, some refuse on principal. I don't use cause it clutters my screen for me

[devout atlas]

oh yeah sorry I hope you enjoy your MAID next time they diagnose you with a stubbed toe and a tummy ache

[wet moon]

grinder and in practice in game are two different things.

[junior grail]

Kyan~

[wet moon]

sadly it's just for dementia and a few other things otherwise i wouldnt be here

[devout atlas]

I'll just use the laspis the other lasguns are lame and boring

[flat pebble]

i just use it on specials and elites, helps when you’re fighting in a dark space and you shoot a figure and a health bar pops up

like oh that’s for sure confirmed a priority target

[devout atlas]

I've had friends with mild depression get suggested it 😭

[wet moon]

real! 1A is kinda fun but yeah bleh

[devout atlas]

yea i guess...

more fun than the headhunter semi auto imho

[half ginkgo]

Grinder rn fucks yo two things - 1. If you grab 15% ranged damage node with no enemies in 8 m (always active) and 2. Mid keystone doesn’t work. With a basic math it’s easy to adjust the values

[junior grail]

Laspis is the strongest lasweapon its not even funny

[flat pebble]

1a wants your location

[wet moon]

i usually like running a trial game or two with new builds to see how it really works in practice

[half ginkgo]

Given after the grinder

[flat pebble]

the non recon las weapons are in a very good spot rn tho

[wet moon]

wow lmfao that sucks

[woven olive]

hellbore could be better weakspot wise though

[wet moon]

even more to my point tho. trying things out in practice, the idea that what you're doing to enemies should be mysteriously hidden is silly. i get immersion and ill turn it off/turn my hud off for that

[flat pebble]

i can’t hear you over the glorious noises of my bayonet piercing heads

[wet moon]

https://tenor.com/view/bayonet-heresy-gun-attachments-gif-16757954

[half ginkgo]

For a proper Krieg cosplay we need to affix shovels to the Helbore

[static lotus]

Bolter sniper rifle when? I remember there was one in rogue trader...

[toxic leaf]

friends, i had to trade away +stam as a perk. should i redo the perk or the blessings in my last slot?

[flat pebble]

space marine 2 is when mostly likely

[wet moon]

perk. get unyielding. second one should be unarmoured

[woven olive]

been hanging with the dicks again? never said i didnt like hellbore just wish my charge time on MK 3 was worth each soht MK 2 great though

[half ginkgo]

Plasma is always perks unless Hadron hates you and put Volatile on a plasma

Unarmored and Unyielding

[toxic leaf]

oiv

thanks friends!

[flat pebble]

i mean it was clearly a joke response

not even sure what the problem is here

[stone birch]

eh, mk3 has the smoothest killing to me among the helbores.

[wet moon]

stalker bolter wouldnt even WORK. no sightline in this game justifies that kind of range.
either way, weapon customization mod

[wet moon]

yeah, and the shittiest special attack

[stone birch]

i have a power sword.

[woven olive]

no preoblem just though you got offended i like me bore too but some get touchy

[woven olive]

glad to hear for your chill

[flat pebble]

i’m just memeing about bayonets man

[wet moon]

https://tenor.com/view/christmas-gif-3805309417000960215

you dont fw the vision

[flat pebble]

mk3 helbore having the fucked up special attack ruins my day though

[wet moon]

it really sucks since the mk3 is the only helbore thats moderately fun to shoot

[flat pebble]

i want that thick damage but also the good stabby stab

[woven olive]

love me bayonets too a true krieg classic...im just saying MK3 needs a weakspot buff bad lol

[stone birch]

complaining about the bayonet on a DMR is silly.

[flat pebble]

does it?

[stone birch]

yes

[wet moon]

not using the weapons full potential moveset is silly. it's particularly egregious since the other two DMRs have an amazing bayonet

[half ginkgo]

Yeah, really hate the fact that you need +25% cara on 3 for BPs

[flat pebble]

not you holstatt lol

[half ginkgo]

Along with +20% maniac

[flat pebble]

although when the bayonet is half the fun of the gun i don’t think it’s unfair to gripe that one of the three vet bayonet guns has a bad bayonet attack

[stone birch]

you mean I use it to clean out the 1-2 poxwalkers annoyingly in front of me instead of switching to power sword? yes, I do use the beyonet for that. and use the power sword when I actually need melee.

[wet moon]

also YOU MOVE FASTER WITH BAYONET CHARGE, but not with MK3

[half ginkgo]

IIRC it’s also more dmg

[wet moon]

dude, you can two-stab mutants with the MK1/MK2 bayonet super fast. you are being pretentious and obtuse on purpose

[woven olive]

bayonets are all fun i only want my max charge to mean something for such a wait lol i caould make me sandwich with the time its takes to charge lol and i still would have a angry crusher on me ass

[stone birch]

I 1 tap mutants as they charge me with the mk 3.

[flat pebble]

you can wave clear and also kill every priority target but crushers and maulers with the bayonet rn lol

[stone birch]

shooting > melee

[wet moon]

once again you willingly miss the point

[flat pebble]

it’s not a shitty poxwalker cleaning weapon anymore

[half ginkgo]

Agreed that clip of BM + Limpshitter Rashad and bayonet vs. Chaos Spawn should be pinned

[forest blaze]

Columnus IAG is my melee

[forest blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-jungle-shooting-arnold-schwarzenegger-forest-gif-24074563

[flat pebble]

now if you don’t like using the bayonet that’s your own prerogative but it’s not dogwater like is being implied here

[wet moon]

https://tenor.com/view/its-peak-peak-fiction-one-piece-gif-26139262

based

[forest blaze]

I’ll also need all of your ammo

[scarlet smelt]

What can I do with this

[stone birch]

its marginal to the core purpose of the helbores:to be fucking DMRs.

so cool, you get a nice bayonet attack.

[flat pebble]

i did 20k to a chaos spawn in 30 seconds with a bayonet once and it felt gooooood

[wet moon]

you are a genuine moron lmao

[flat pebble]

the core purpose of the helbore is to be a cool fun gun

[wet moon]

sneed harder it's whatever

[woven olive]

kick alot of ass? MK 2 is the best option all day everyday in the army of krieg

[forest scaffold]

uhm

nothing

RIP

[scarlet smelt]

Whup bad wording on my part I meant aside from onslaught uh

[half ginkgo]

Falter to Onslaught. Unyielding is sub optimal you need maniac for BPs. Otherwise, Surgical for second blessing. Keep the crit

[scarlet smelt]

what perks or whatever

[forest scaffold]

mk2 helbore lives and dies by its breakpoints

missing both perk sucks hard

[flat pebble]

you ever have papers affected by wind? you can put this in top of the papers

[woven olive]

needs maybe surgical?

[stone birch]

and you do not understand the overall context of weapons and their overall focus to concentrate on the tertiary function of the weapon. Your insults mean nothing.

[forest blaze]

Helbore lives and dies by not being as cool as plasma 🦾

[scarlet smelt]

ppf

oof*

[wet moon]

seething

[stone birch]

you resorted to insults first. cope.

[wet moon]

i guarantee i understand them better than you. dilate harder

yeah bc you warranted it lmao

[half ginkgo]

And plasma dies by recon hoggers lul

[forest blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

[flat pebble]

“wanting a good bayonet in a dmr is silly” “you started this”

[forest blaze]

Plasma’s nemesis: anyone else who needs ammo

[flat pebble]

god DAMMIT wrong reply

[wet moon]

lul

[stone birch]

whatever helps you sleep at night, buddy.

[forest blaze]

Fuckin dead

[wet moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1113895557778374666/mematicMeme.gif

[scarlet smelt]

Well shit I guess I'll have to keep running this

[wet moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/939235701042577409/1151386034697932821/dtdontcare.gif

[stone birch]

lol u mad.

[wet moon]

sneed

[half ginkgo]

Stab is dump imho. Workable

[scarlet smelt]

Oh no it is

[flat pebble]

doesn’t it affect sway?

[wet moon]

super low stab bolters are unironically so fun

[scarlet smelt]

yeah but not the best

uh

[flat pebble]

that helbore is gonna be swaying like a drunk in the wind

[forest blaze]

I think you use deadshot for helbore anyways right?

[red prairie]

the parkinsons Helbore

[scarlet smelt]

I notice it has animation issues when trying to reset sights

[flat pebble]

on top of the already mandatory surgical? feels overkill

[forest blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

[scarlet smelt]

my dumb ass doesn't have surgical on this so I'll have to spend another 300k on rolling for it

[half ginkgo]

Deadshot is only good on 3 imho if you are so ammo-averse that you rely on shock trooper procs (or run no-ammo maelstrom)

[scarlet smelt]

I would actually consider ammo the true dump stat on this thing

[wet moon]

regardless this is still pretty great. you can just take deadshot to make up for no surgical

[flat pebble]

i mean with 5 stab i’d probably use the talent lol but i think it’s not needed since the surgical change

[forest blaze]

Yah idk

[placid portal]

Tbf you hardly use ammo by default

[forest blaze]

I don’t use helbore because plasma exists

[half ginkgo]

Yeah, but if I am staring at 10+ gunners I don’t wait for surgical. If you get fucked it’s 90 ammo

[manic flax]

holy hell thats AMAZING

[flat pebble]

ya the helbores and lasguns shouldn’t ever have ammo problems

[teal abyss]

Lol the difference in ammo is not even comparable

[scarlet smelt]

Every now and then I am tempted to gold this

[forest blaze]

Skill issue

[junior grail]

I tried that superscope before hahaha

[woven olive]

on a more zealot related not is it just me or does the evicerator chain sword hav more then 2 blessing combos that kick ass (based around wich keystone ability combo used)

[manic flax]

i wont use plasma because helbore exists

[placid portal]

Charging the gun IS waiting for surgical

[forest blaze]

Literally how dare you

[stone birch]

surgical 4 on a full charge shot will still land you around 30% extra crit chance. still worth it.

[teal abyss]

Me never needing ammo on my Helbore is a skill issue? How

[half ginkgo]

I won’t use Helbore because plasma exists. FTFY

[flat pebble]

SKISSUE

[placid portal]

Ye I never pick up ammo as helbore

[manic flax]

what does ftfy

mean

[flat pebble]

fixed that for you

[half ginkgo]

Fixed that for ya

[manic flax]

ok

[forest blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/plasma-darktide-gif-3239624628315971488

[placid portal]

Plasma justifying why they gotta waste ammo vaporizing a pox walker

[half ginkgo]

More seriously - plasma’s ability to kill shit through cover is really, really a valuable when you need to clutch

[flat pebble]

i like how in the animation the vet acts like the gun is glued to their fuckin hands