veteran-class

[flat pebble]

tbh it’s really hard to justify using a bolter without chastise in zealot rn and even then

[south garnet]

Yea, it's a vicious cycle - people catch one person 'sneaking' ammo or blatantly running ahead and snatching it in front of teammates, then THEY feel the need to start doing the same to keep topped up on their own supplies - then even if they aren't doing so maliciously at that point (like picking up a box while missing 1 bullet or w/e), anyone playing normally i.e. not like they're literally fighting other men to death in the bread line ends up with a dry gun and distracted teammates who aren't covering threats because they've flipped to playing antagonistically

[serene sage]

summon the magical recon psyker

[bright cliff]

AWOOGA

[flat pebble]

the health pool updates has hurt bolter on zealot a lot who doesn’t really have much control about their breakpoints with ranged weapons

[inland orchid]

I think I got the perfect post to display what happened to u

[half ginkgo]

Mate, please don’t, I already saw multiple IAG psykers with <20% or so accuracy

[inland orchid]

One of my friends sent it to me https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/183h68n/dont_be_that_guy_please/

[bright cliff]

a skill issue

[inland orchid]

You ever see a ammo roomba?

[bitter turtle]

psyker actually uses iag better than vet though 😔

[flat pebble]

i’ve seen a gunker in auric damnation with a grey mk6 recon lasgun

[inland orchid]

What a find, extra rations for u

[half ginkgo]

Unironically yes. Psyker is a better vet now

[flat pebble]

vet makes better use of the shovel and plasma gun than the psyker

[serene sage]

too late

[hollow turtle]

LOL

[bright cliff]

say what you will but a columnus iag with >50% crit uptime is something else

[half ginkgo]

Honestly, I have been plasma main since like March. And nowadays if I want to try hard at ranged I just bring plasma. Only thing gun psyker doesn’t do better really

[bright cliff]

just make sure there's a survivalist vet on your team first

[ocean idol]

What are good melee weapons for vet now?

[flat pebble]

shovel

[bright cliff]

shovel

[inland orchid]

Shovel

[ocean idol]

pls no

[serene sage]

PS

[inland orchid]

Power shovel

[bright cliff]

look man if I wanted to use another melee weapon I'd play another class

[inland orchid]

[hollow turtle]

I was using an IAG before the vet tree change, but now I'm running my Lasgun IA.
Something about shooting laser beams feels more satisfying than bullets now.

[half ginkgo]

Shovel is legit solid

[flat pebble]

decimator + uncanny and become shovel

[serene sage]

this man gets it

[bright cliff]

when the sus shovel is uncanny

[serene sage]

shovel but with power cycler

[flat pebble]

my shovel has surge

[half ginkgo]

I still wanna build TaS + Uncanny shovel for shenanigans

[flat pebble]

i pull out a second shovel and hit with both at the same time in crits

[serene sage]

why don't they attach a bayonet to the shovel

are they stupid?

[half ginkgo]

I want a gun shooting shovels with infinite cleave

[flat pebble]

too powerful

they could never balance it

[whole moon]

Settled on this, WHERE IS YOUR OMNISSIAH NOW HADRON?

[half ginkgo]

Busy bricking peoples shit

[serene sage]

everyday we stray a little further from his light

now make it shoot las beams

because might as well

[half ginkgo]

Also, can you add bayonet to this? It needs a bayonet

[serene sage]

that hook hanger stock is so funny to me though

[whole moon]

I can change its fire type?
I don't think I had the option of bayonet sadly

[bitter turtle]

you can add bayonets to guns with the mod

but they cant actualy use them

[serene sage]

there's a mod that lets ballistic guns shoot las beams

[bitter turtle]

a shame

bayonetted recon when

recon + bayonet = fixed gun

[half ginkgo]

It will be a better DPS period

[whole moon]

No I'm saying I don't think the mod or the extended mod gives a bayonet option for the plasma

[south spindle]

MKII Version of the Boltgun build, to my reckoning this is as good as it can be 😄 have fun folks

[half ginkgo]

Just bayonet spam and never shoot 5head

[errant carbon]

I love how the Headhunter autoguns are the ones with folding wire stocks and somehow also a bash attack

[serene sage]

ill have fun when i want to

[whole moon]

Pizza time then I'll check and if poss blade that bad boy up

[half ginkgo]

No chance to make it work with mid tree? Or you bank on stacking surgical till you get a guaranteed crit?

[south spindle]

Its stacks very fast on Boltgun, an as its a more methodical type of weapon, you're bascially always critting

[serene sage]

like this?

[half ginkgo]

Right, 0.2 per stack

[south spindle]

You need Marksman's to get all the juicy breakpoints, middle tree wont do it as well

[half ginkgo]

Why right tree for start?

[bitter turtle]

im pretty sure

dropping 10% rending node

[serene sage]

just hipfire body shot, no this is not a meme

[bitter turtle]

and kill zone/opening salvo crit

to get other shit like -6 sec cd on skill

is better

esp that 10% rending on max stack node, that one suggs tbh

[south spindle]

Nah, you dont need to get that, it'll be up for such long periods it'll have recharged 90% of the time before its run out

[serene sage]

out for blood works on grenade, 5% movement speed lets you close and kill which is what you want with this style of Boltgun, you don't do long shots without Determined, suppression too strong

[bitter turtle]

then take deadshot if you dont want it

still better than the other garbage

[south spindle]

An that node only sucks if you're not accurate, if you are, then its not a problem

[bitter turtle]

i dont even find it worthwhile on vraks

[south spindle]

Deadshot is a literal waste of a point when you almost stack cap Surgical by the time the recoil has reset

[bitter turtle]

nevermind bolter

but up to you

[serene sage]

how it does in Auric T5?

that build that is, not the Bolter

[half ginkgo]

Am I too dumb but I can’t see Determined there?

[south spindle]

Over 100 ranged Elite kills easy

[tardy raft]

Should I just leave skull crusher as it is or change one of the perks and take a swing

[serene sage]

no what im saying is since you don't have determined, you want to scoot closer

5% movement helps with that

[half ginkgo]

Ah, Ok got it now, thank you

[south spindle]

That'll fuck as is, but i would swap Unarmoured to Flak personally

[serene sage]

it's the classic tacticool, throw nade to stagger/kill (throw 1 for stagger, 2 will kill gunners)
then immediately run forward and approaching for hipfire distance

[south spindle]

You could swap TaS to Deci' or Uncanny too tho if you've not already got a source of Rending or dont use push attacks much

[half ginkgo]

Imho, go with Decimator with Skullcrusher. TaS feels an interesting perk, but I don’t like shovel push/push attack for now

[tardy raft]

I have a tier 4 skullcrusher and decimator tier 3 atm

[half ginkgo]

Should be good then

Yeah, but on an Uncanny Shovel I don’t think unarmored is wasted since Rending does nothing against unarmored

[flat pebble]

agree

tbh unarmored will probably feel pretty good

i’d just accept the perks and just try out different blessing combinations

[half ginkgo]

Yeah, agreed. That might be the play

Maniac is may be not the most ideal, but definitely top 3-4

[flat pebble]

for me personally uncanny decimator is kinda non negotiable

and uncanny will help with the lack of flak perk

[half ginkgo]

I am personally down to 4 shovels to roll so I bloody hope I can get the combo

[serene bough]

Yeah uncanny and decimator best for shovel

[humble nova]

Imagine you're a tech priest just working the forge, a trooper strolls up and requests a blessing.

Hadron: Present thy weapon, varlet
trooper hands over a shovel, Hadron blank-stares him

[half ginkgo]

I am not taking chances with Brunt’s

[serene bough]

i really dont like decimator, but its the best damage boost

[sharp ember]

i'm a little resentful of new shovel decimator, it used to only need 5 stacks and could cleave for multiple stacks, but no longer

[junior needle]

I assume skullcrusher would give better horde clear, whereas uncanny is obviously better for hard targets

[flat pebble]

whispers to tech priest
please don’t brick my shovel
tech priest
s-sure..

[half ginkgo]

Yeah, sorry, your shovel’s machine spirit wasn’t cooperative

[serene bough]

heavies with uncanny can build multiple stacks at once

pretty effective to spam heavies actually

[flat pebble]

i do it just because it’s easier to keep decimator up lol

[serene bough]

that as well

[half ginkgo]

But if we could tape a brick to shovel? What’s then? Or it’s tech-heresy? 🤔

[flat pebble]

does the brick’s machine spirit consent

[half ginkgo]

We need to commence the communion ritual and find out

[flat pebble]

alright i need at least 20 psykers to sacrifice

point me to any psykers using tac axes they’re the weakest links

[half ginkgo]

I need incense, candles, 3 toasters and 120 menials

[hollow turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/rocket-rocket-raccoon-guardians-of-the-galaxy-that-guys-eye-need-one-more-thing-gif-19166144

[stone birch]

you just won a free trip to the servitorium! as its newest guest! -begins laughing maliciously in binary-

[flat pebble]

servitors are such a bleak fuckin aspect to the 40k universe

[bitter turtle]

are the servers poopooing themselves

[bitter turtle]

you think its bleak

[flat pebble]

yeah that’s why i said that

[bitter turtle]

some novels have even worse kinds of servitors

😔

[flat pebble]

that falls under 40k universe i think

[bitter turtle]

ya

its just something most ppl aren't aware of

[hollow turtle]

What's worse. Being a servitor, being in the same room as a night lord, or held in Dark Eldar captivity?

[bitter turtle]

since 40k tries to shy away from that kind of topic usually

[stone birch]

quite a few servitors are left conscious but absolutely not in control of themselves. Possession the IRL way: body hacking. hell, the penitent servitor who sells us free drip at the commissary is likethat.

[bitter turtle]

but im p sure in one novel some rich dude has some kids servitorized for "performances"

so the kinds shoved into medicaid aren't even the worst cases

[stone birch]

the imperium is deeply evil, and I am genuinely amazed that a lot of 40k fans miss that.

its not hidden, its right in their faces.

[flat pebble]

haha god emperor so cool space marines go fwshhhh with the flamethrower

[stone birch]

like Horus was 100% correct in his assessment that the emperor needs to stop.

[flat pebble]

i’ve always referred to the 40k universe as the everyone sucks universe

[bitter turtle]

i mean to be fair

[flat pebble]

there are no good guys just lesser bad guys

[bitter turtle]

its not like going with chaos is exactly a better alternative in horus' case

[stone birch]

Interex are the best.

[flat pebble]

did you guys know there are about as many interex people on earth as there are redheads

[stone birch]

ha.

[slow garden]

I become wiser every day, eh

[untold mulch]

War is bad

BUT MECHA ARE RAD

[placid portal]

you mean child soldiers are effective

[stone birch]

Cadia loves them some child soldiers alright!

[bitter turtle]

the sequel

[untold mulch]

It evolved

[placid portal]

[slow garden]

O dam

Memevution

[flat pebble]

yo dawg

etc

[placid portal]

but I'm more of a schizo mecha enjoyer with the coral voice

[stone birch]

but yeah, servitors are gross. Like the fact that all these people, our characters included, see mutilating somebody for effectively no reason to be the ship's janitor crew instead of just handing a guy a bucket and mop is absurd and disgusting. FS did a real good job capturing Imperium vibes.

[slow garden]

They really did on that note

In the grim dark future of the fourty-first millenium... There is only war.

[placid portal]

You will serve even after death

[stone birch]

not even. the galaxy would be a better place if it was only war. in the 41st milenium, there is only hate.

so when you commit suicide, make sure your head is eviscerated

[placid portal]

Dumb how they say "Only in death does duty end"

[stone birch]

admech says that's false

[slow garden]

Fascinates me, too, how much the Imperium itself represents the powers of Chaos, just in better dressing.

[umbral scaffold]

the imperium is awful but also cool aesthetics

[placid portal]

For the Guard, "Even in death I am served"

[umbral scaffold]

they look cool therefore they are the good guys

[stone birch]

my own homebrew rebel sector has concluded exactly that. the imperium has fallen to chaos.

[placid portal]

Gosh gothic based cities are cool

[slow garden]

All four Chaos Gods' influence are -Eeeeverywhere-

[umbral scaffold]

the emperor damned the imperium when he used the powers of chaos to create the primarchs

[slow garden]

Possible! Some new lore actually came out, regarding Big E.

I won't spoil, new material takes an interesting angle, though

[stone birch]

as well as deciding that big oily immortal bois are going to do better at running a human civilization than actual humans.

[ocean idol]

i am thinking of build

[wet moon]

what do we think vet chat

[ocean idol]

infiltrate, devil claw, krak grenades, shotgun

[stone birch]

I dont think a space marine or custodes is going to understand the need to make minimum wage lol

[slow garden]

Not enough Krak

[umbral scaffold]

i say there is some tiny bit of hope for the imperium but the normal chaff are too far gone

[wet moon]

we no need!

[umbral scaffold]

it needs to be ran by the astartes and primarchs to have a chance

[wet moon]

too much krak is a crutch tbh

[slow garden]

Everyone need Krak

[stone birch]

if humanity has any hope, its in Imperium Nihilus, where they can develop away from most imperial interference.

[slow garden]

Krak is a crutch that lets me win more games baby

[wet moon]

real

[slow garden]

[odd sparrow]

custodes are super knowledgable. Space marines are for the most part just soldiers

[umbral scaffold]

weapons are a crutch simply run grey in auric maelstrom

[wet moon]

REAL

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/939235701042577409/1151386034697932821/dtdontcare.gif

[slow garden]

^ EXACTLY

[astral ingot]

weapons are a crutch in general do auric maelstrom pacifist

[sharp trail]

is this a warhammer 40k reference

[slow garden]

Why shoot when I can throw free grenade?

[half ginkgo]

I am wondering if I can improve this on plasma + shovel. Just trying to grab +25% ammo for 2 ammo/kill regen on vet

[slow garden]

I implore you wise sir, if you have a spare point in that build

Get the ammo crate replenishes nades

It can be a run saver

[half ginkgo]

nope, hence me asking, no free perks

[slow garden]

[half ginkgo]

unless I drop stockpile for better crates

[bitter turtle]

personally I like demo team over iron will

[slow garden]

Understandable have a nice day friend

[bitter turtle]

that's all i'd change

and better crates are meh

esp after the nerfed amount of crates we get now

its ok if you have a point lying around and nothing you can grab meaningfully but i wouldnt drop anything in your build fo rit

[slow garden]

Mm, I will feel it out some

Better crates have saved runs for me multiple times

So I don't yet feel comfy discounting it

[half ginkgo]

I mean, maybe I can squeeze a point if I go left tree past tactical awareness but I am not sure if I want/like left keystone on plasma

[slow garden]

<-Be me. Plasma gun is overheating. Squad is getting overwhelmed by Ogryn, Maulers, and a Boss.

<-Shit shit shit

<-Throw 3 krak nade

<-It helps some, lots of boom

[flat pebble]

tbh i’m of the opinion it’s pretty easy to go without extra ammo on the plasma gun

[slow garden]

<-But I NEED MORE

<-Drop box

<-Grab more krak

<-Fix problem with explosions

[brisk umbra]

i really need to understand who the fuck posted a build with Executioner stance but without Survivalist

[half ginkgo]

be me - see a room with 10+ gunners, 30-40 shooters and 6 snipers. clear it all in a mag

[flat pebble]

just with regard to the tree going down the left side for the talent

[brisk umbra]

If i find him, i'll fucking end his flife.

it's the third fucking vet like that that i found today, and i'm seething

[flat pebble]

i love krak. two free large damage staggers on monstrosities rocks too

[half ginkgo]

could be me, as I once did it, but I was drunk out of my mind

[slow garden]

I dont even take a keystone

I just buff krak

https://tenor.com/view/smoke-cigarettes-khalifa-gif-14617129

[halcyon summit]

If you spec into squad leader with the nade talents and the focus keystone

[half ginkgo]

mid keystone is just stupid good. free 32% dmg on a tag? Yes, please, nerf incoming imho

[halcyon summit]

powerful build

[flat pebble]

yeah the tag keystone is pretty good, especially for bosses

[slow garden]

I run plasma gun and don't see any changes in breakpoints for me shooting marked targets really

[halcyon summit]

being able to pop your ult like 25 times in a run is pretty nuts

[stone birch]

Eh, my helbore build using fire team aura has completed auric maelstrom many times now. But i also basically no-clip, so I do not eat any ammo from anyone else.

[slow garden]

So I dont bother with mid keystone

[whole moon]

god I wish theyd legalise here I could do with the pain management

[halcyon summit]

it's about the extra buffs from killing shit

thats where the value is

[slow garden]

Ohio recently legalized

Its only a matter of time, prob

If politics listens to one thing its tax dollars

[ocean idol]

Which devil claw is the best?

[stone birch]

take out tax. just money.

[slow garden]

I like mk1

[half ginkgo]

i have noticed it doesn't correctly work in grinder but mid tag is a BP on a crusher at minium. maybe even reaper, depending on a roll.
also, dreg gunner could be killed in a 3-4 stacks wiuthout need to get +ua but +elite

[slow garden]

--Oh wait it doesnt work right in grinder?

[flat pebble]

mk4 d claw has an excellent h1

[slow garden]

Ffs of course it doesnt

[whole moon]

not in the UK, this country is the biggest exporter of medicinal canabis in the world but maintains to its own populace that the plant has no medicinal benefit. anyway rule 11, thats my piece said

[half ginkgo]

nope, didn't work for my yesterday's helbore testing at minimum

[slow garden]

Okay that explains a lot

[flat pebble]

mk1 and m4 dclaws are largely considered the best, mk1 for the horizontal heavies and the mk4 for the better single target with the h1

[slow garden]

I may be able to nab 2 of the keystone and still keep my krak then

[half ginkgo]

also, if you are a dumdum like me, dc4 light spam works if you mess up after running 5 hrs of pugs using evis/illisi

[brisk umbra]

Mk4 is honestly better

it's the same as the MK1 but you just spam L1+H2

But at least you have a nice Overhead for single target

[flat pebble]

i started out liking the 1 more but after some time i really prefer the 4 for the h1

[half ginkgo]

dc1 is h1+h2 right?

[flat pebble]

for hordes?

[half ginkgo]

yes

[flat pebble]

yeah it’s just two horizontal sweeps over and over

[stone birch]

4 is my favorite, simply because bushido overhead striking mutants with it is viscerally satisfying

[brisk umbra]

ye

[bright cliff]

dc 4 seems to be very popular rn

[brisk umbra]

That's why i said the Mk4 is just better, you can just spam L1+H2 and it does the same thing as the MK1

[half ginkgo]

i still like how my psvi can one shot poke the mutie if i can get some slaughterer stacks. +25% maniac tho

[brisk umbra]

but at least you have a heavy overhead

I mean yeah, PS6 is by far much better than any other weapon

btw to oneshot muties you really don't need much

just hit the push attack

[half ginkgo]

not on plasma imho, too immobile of a playstyle. if I run perhpas vraks 3 with rending

[bright cliff]

this guys right l1/h2 for hordes, h1 for high prio targets. you can get to h1 not only by block cancelling but also by parry cancelling and sprint cancelling as well

[flat pebble]

finding out limbsplitter bayonet can ohk mutants has been a great source of joy for me

[ocean idol]

and blessings for DC?

[flat pebble]

poke

[ocean idol]

not bad so far

[flat pebble]

savage sweep rampage, shred rampage, wrath rampage

[bright cliff]

its so much harder to get those juicy overheads when its on h2

[brisk umbra]

damage and damage

[half ginkgo]

and a great source of "omg, I need more plasteel" as I realized I need better rolls on my helbores 1 and 2 😄

[brisk umbra]

but yeah, what tyler said

[bright cliff]

no rampage

[half ginkgo]

its a brick, honey, NEXT!

[ocean idol]

??

[ocean idol]

you are brick

[bright cliff]

with 79% cleave you can ditch trauma on that one and get rampage

[south garnet]

based

[flat pebble]

unfortunately it does look brick like

i’d swap carapace for maniac or flak as well

[ocean idol]

But normally it is rampage and SS?

[bright cliff]

wrath is nice and those perks suck

[half ginkgo]

yes, case also can be made for shred + rampage if pathing through the right

[flat pebble]

my preference is rampage ss but all three recommendations i made are viable and generally ok

[bright cliff]

carapace damage on a dc? L

now your 6 dmg will go to 8 congrats

[flat pebble]

i don’t like wrath because it drops very easily on unremitting light spam

[half ginkgo]

and with any dc the trick is the special. if you want a safe push attack horde option just run antax imho

[bright cliff]

yeah the muscle memory is killer I'm still shove attacking bc I've been using shovel for 100 hours

gotta learn to parry

[half ginkgo]

same why I am a dingus with dc4 - its l1h2, while I am way too used to h1l2

[ocean idol]

well, plan is to use devilclaw against hordes and roamers

shotgun against everything else

[flat pebble]

so flak

[half ginkgo]

parrying ragers is the strength of dc. and if you are good and no lag - crushers

[ocean idol]

shotgun

[half ginkgo]

tho I would not risk 0.3s parry window on an overhead in damna

[ocean idol]

skissue

[flat pebble]

yeah if you aren’t leaning into the parry dclaws become a very hard sell

[ocean idol]

I played plenty with zealot with dc

[flat pebble]

idk part of it is a lack of faith in the servers lol

[ocean idol]

Just want to try to make commando vet

[fading grove]

What blessing is "SS" my brain is broken right now

[half ginkgo]

exactly. late night EU is rough on latency

[flat pebble]

i like mk4 on my vet, i have a rampage shred and a rampage wrath. i’m gonna try rolling for a rampage sweep eventually which i believe will be the best combo for the simplest cleave buff uptime

[flat pebble]

savage sweep

[fading grove]

oooh ok

[ocean idol]

https://tenor.com/view/battlefield2042-battlefield-german-soldier-gif-23924277

literally SS blessing

[flat pebble]

now that was some fruit hanging low huh

[half ginkgo]

I also noticed some ppl running skullcrusher on dc and I wonder if I don't understand something+

skullcrusher + rampage to be exact

[flat pebble]

it’s… a choice

i imagine serrated blade gets the damage buff going?

[ocean idol]

some people are dumb

[flat pebble]

i mean a 20% buff isn’t bad it’s just i wonder if that’s something they’re building into

dot stuff

i wouldn’t sacrifice a cleave buff for it though

[fading grove]

I mean most of us don't really dissect the numbers too much, or maybe don't have the best blessings saved, but like using the weapons anyways. I don't think any of my melee stuff has the "proper" best blessings. But I go for good stats and good enough builds.

[junior needle]

There's certainly a number of people who just wing it, even to their detriment. A fair few of the weapons are quite dogshit without a proper setup. Heavy swords for example.

[umbral scaffold]

It’s. An pve game balance should imo be the last factor

Unless it’s TRULY BROKEN

[ocean idol]

I would say those are majority of people

[brisk umbra]

Oh boy, another gunpsyker in team

that was only using a Recon Lasgun, emptied his weapon twice in not even 5% of the map

[junior needle]

It should be less of a factor in that fun/good things should be less likely to be nerfed. It's still very important to make bad things good. For a fine example of what not to do, a ton of weapons were left in the dumpster for nearly a year until patch 14.

[bright cliff]

nothing wrong with a gunpsyker all it does is reveal which shootas are being carried by the survivalist perk

[junior needle]

Well now there's nothing wrong with gunpsyker because it's better than ranged vet.

[bright cliff]

same guns as everyone else... though I will say even the worst gunpsyker is much better if he's got bubble shield over the focus fire talent

[junior needle]

If it's just worse ranged vet, then there's something.

[brisk umbra]

Gunpsyker is a shitshow of a way to run psyker.

[ocean idol]

^

as psyker main

i hate gun psykers

[brisk umbra]

Just go Assail and when that is on cooldown then you happly use a gun

Not just go gun, and maybe cast 3 assail in 9 minutes.

[bright cliff]

anti-gunpsyker propaganda is an organized campaign by psyker mains because they're afraid the veterans will colonize their class meta

[brisk umbra]

Like, my favorite build lately with psyker is an Assail with a Laspistol for boss damage

[vivid birch]

Fact is that Voidstrike is the best "gun" on psyker

[brisk umbra]

You just run assail 99% of the time, and when that is on cooldown just shoot a tiny bit

[ocean idol]

It is far from meta

[bright cliff]

"N-NOOO!!! YOU CAN'T USE A GUN!!! YOU HAVE TO RUN ASSAIL LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!!!!!!" -people who have hamstringed their aim and can only top charts in malice

[ocean idol]

And i just hate it thematic-wise

Why use fuckn crude guns when you have POWERS OF INFINITE COSMOS

[bright cliff]

because my weapons are blessed by the emperor

[brisk umbra]

Oh if all you do is just be a shit tier Veteran, then yeah, please go in malice

[ocean idol]

No one said shit about assail

[wet moon]

any way you'd recommend optimizing this melee build?

[bright cliff]

@ocean idol this guy said shit about assail

[ocean idol]

Well, ignore him

[brisk umbra]

fucking hell remove Agile and just run Survivalist

[bitter turtle]

agree with that

survivalist + frag is better

[bright cliff]

would you rather be a wizard or a wizard with a gun? that's all I'm saying

[bitter turtle]

than forcing yourself to go krak+fire team just to easily take agile

[ocean idol]

half a wizard with a gun*

[brisk umbra]

? Because i say that running a "only use a gun"psyker is shit tier? And at that point just run assail since it's the same exact point and click gameplay?

[wet moon]

noted but is agile not good for a build like this?

[bitter turtle]

it is good

its just in a sh it location

also

desperado > onslaught

[brisk umbra]

You really do not need agile

[bitter turtle]

for your loadout

imo

[wet moon]

wait

oh onslaughts a mistake

meant to have desper

[wet moon]

but yeah , vet tree moment\

[brisk umbra]

Oh

[bitter turtle]

yeah

[brisk umbra]

And skip For The Emperor

and get the 20% toughness on switch

[bitter turtle]

like if it didnt force you to take bad shit to get there

[brisk umbra]

at the bottom

[bitter turtle]

then it'd be worth

but

[brisk umbra]

that talent is great

[bright cliff]

because guns allow the psyker to take more supportive talents while still being able to kill things

I'm not advocating for assail players to ALSO have a gun that's a little silly

[bitter turtle]

admittedly

it sucks to lose the 10% melee node though

on top of agile

[wet moon]

columnus scrier's disrupt destiny would like a word

[bitter turtle]

id even drop iron will instead of taking a bad aura though

[wet moon]

it does

[brisk umbra]

Hell yeah, fuck the team, let's just use every ammo in the team!

[bright cliff]

with the right setup on the columnus I believe that scrier's is unnecessary and you would be better off taking bubble

[wet moon]

coping bc outdone and outdamaged by a wizard

[brisk umbra]

I wish it would happen

[wet moon]

valid

[wet moon]

would you like scoreboards

[brisk umbra]

The thankfully few gunpsyker i get in team are usually either without ammo or dead

[junior needle]

My long term gripe with gunpsykers is that it was just playing substantially worse vet and also not giving ammo bonuses to the team. A great benefit of having a psyker is that they don't use ammo with staves, which goes out the window if you use a gun. Also because they insisted on running the shittiest guns (recons primarily) while also playing worse vet.

Now the tables have turned with assail, scriers gaze, and the comparatively lacking state of ranged vet.

[vivid birch]

Yet to encounter one. Did see a +300 lv gunpsyker who was taking breathers on the ground a bunch tho!

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/ae3c8ab1586fd52366513743bd45d1a0.png

you COULD do this

but honestly

i'd rather take precision strikes + deadshot

over spending 3 pts to get to agile

precision strikes works with melee as long as you swing at head stoo

[brisk umbra]

but mah scoreboard my man, i find 3 trashplayers and my dps goes zoom!

[wet moon]

the cope is crazy

[bright cliff]

understandable. the aware psyker understands that if the entire team is something like 2 ogryns and a zealot it's best NOT to play gunpsyker for resource reasons, but if you have a shout/surv vet, a full staff/assail psyker, and a brawler ogryn, i.e. anything with less ammo overall required, the opportunity opens up.

[brisk umbra]

Go back to the Psyker chat, ty ❤️

[wet moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1113895557778374666/mematicMeme.gif

[bright cliff]

it performs quite well under the correct circumstances but like any other build it depends heavily on team comp. you dont take four specialist killers into a crusher gauntlet. the same consideration goes for gunpsyker

[wet moon]

this kinda hurts to look at

[bitter turtle]

yeah well

[wet moon]

but ty

[bitter turtle]

i didnt say i genuinely suggested it lmao

[wet moon]

i will be considering

[bitter turtle]

that's why i said

i would not bother

[tall torrent]

I don’t think u need “for the emperor”

[bitter turtle]

and just run deadshot precision

this is my revolver tree

https://i.gyazo.com/d3a6ad7f47a4cc0996df5d5ab6fdb186.png

[wet moon]

ive already got loads of crit, taking deadshot feels a little overkill for losing stamina but then again, not like youd be ADSing for very long w this kind of build

[bitter turtle]

yeah

that's why it works

[tall torrent]

Deadshot basically guarantees you crit after 1 melee kill on weapon specialist

[frank ether]

leveling gunpsyker was fun lmao

[bitter turtle]

if you do a quickshot surgical doesnt stack

but its offset by deadshot

[frank ether]

at lvl 20-ish I was already outdpsing lvl30 vets

[wet moon]

got point blank for this so

[bright cliff]

when I say "I want to play gun psyker" I'm not dumping ammo into every crusher and mauler I see. I'm prioritizing keeping bubble uptime for my teammates, being able to stunlock crushers, maulers, and disablers with smite, and only THEN using my rifle to clear out gunners, snipers, flamers, etc very quickly.

[bitter turtle]

oh

[tall torrent]

Do u think using “run & gun” instead of surgical has value on revolver

Since weapon specialist enables crits anyway

[mellow night]

ola! what`s the dump stat on the plasma gun? tyvm!

[bitter turtle]

idk i only play revolver occasionally

so i just do the typical build

better off asking someone who knows the intricacies of it

[tall torrent]

I’m gonna run this

[frank ether]

why smoke

[bright cliff]

anyway any bolter enjoyers in chat?

[wet moon]

this is literally vet chat

ofc

[vivid birch]

Surgical>Point blank

[frank ether]

I'm enjoying bolter

[tall torrent]

Forget shooters are in the game for 15 seconds

[bright cliff]

sorry to say but I believe bolter is better on zealot

sainted gunslinger makes the reload so much more bearable

[flint lake]

Missing out a lot by not taking Will of Iron.

[wet moon]

generally yeah, but in a hotswap melee build point blank is more fun

[frank ether]

zealot doesnt get deadshot or ammo aura

[tall torrent]

I’ve ran into one too many situations with gunner spam

[bitter turtle]

i stopped taking iron will after shout got buffed to lower cd ages ago

[tall torrent]

Where smoke would have been crazy useful

[bitter turtle]

its not necessary

[bright cliff]

zealot gets someone else in his lobby running ammo aura

[bitter turtle]

that and in auric mael the value is genuinely questionabl eimo

you'r either at full toughness or 0 b/c your toe touched fire

[half ginkgo]

Zealot dies due to running 3 rooms ahead in a loner aura and triggering DH

[frank ether]

vet also gets %20 damage to ogy/monstro and then some more damage on top of that with focus mark

[bright cliff]

loner aura is for COWARDS you should take 15% toughness damage reduction and stay with your team

[half ginkgo]

That’s my zel

[bitter turtle]

even when i go down mid tree nowadays i take demo team over iron will

extra frags saves runs

[half ginkgo]

But more or less seriously - when I see knife/revolver zealot 10% of time it’s a god, 90% it’s ehh

[brisk umbra]

yeah that's an actual gunpsyker, that's not what people bitch about when we say gunpsyker, we mean shitters only using guns all the time.

[bright cliff]

oh

[wet moon]

ended up going with this, thanks for the advice

[junior needle]

If the team can't survive without me, it's a skill issue

[bright cliff]

anyway speaking of bolters what do we think of this

[willow badger]

Any reason not to spend 2 talent points on going out of my way to get deadshot

[half ginkgo]

Good

[willow badger]

Running weapon spec columnus

[wet moon]

funny gun shakes in my face :))))

[junior needle]

If I can't survive without the team it's also a skill issue on their part, and lag too

[bright cliff]

stability is a useless stat

[wet moon]

doesnt it influence spread?

[half ginkgo]

It does but re-ADS after a shot resets it

Just let go of right click and hold again

[junior needle]

But then you aren't stacking surgical

Assuming you have it

[wet moon]

and hipfire exists

[half ginkgo]

I don’t run surgical

[junior needle]

I thought it was good on bolter now

I don't actually use it

[wet moon]

which, not like youll be shooting faraway things w m1, but its nice to have a tighter spread ig

[half ginkgo]

If I want surgical I whip out a Helbore or Revolver

[tall torrent]

Stability influences hipfire spread and recoil

[wet moon]

yeah, that's what im talking about

[tall torrent]

Ads has no “spread” in this game (outside of visual recoil shenanigans on some guns)

[half ginkgo]

I would argue that bolters sight is slightly misaligned. You want to aim a tiny bit above it in my experience

But again I am a plasma main so I do t aim. I try to squeeze exe stance for wall hacks

[brisk umbra]

It's the same thing i meant with Assail, i use mostly assail and keep the laspistols for boss damage since often nobody has any

[wet moon]

anything to be improved upon here? it'd be nice to not have to take smokes, but deadshot/onslaught/keystone nodes is important in this build, and serrated blade is for activating my knife

[serene sage]

honestly haven't seen that many, if at all, speedrunning zealots

[bright cliff]

gamble the rifle until all 4 perks are actually worthwhile

[wet moon]

no

[raw steppe]

oh boy lol

there's a lot to improve upon here

[serene sage]

at the minimum drop deadshot for precision strike (next to it)

[bright cliff]

might be just me but I'd rather have 2 useful blessings and 2 good perks on a suboptimal weapon than carry a straight 400 that got bricked by the sassy techpriest

[serene sage]

drop both 8 stack ping and toughness on ping for Iron Will and damage on ping

desperado over onslaught bc onslaught only applies to ranged weapons

the rest is workable

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t this build have like
Horrible horde clear

[brisk umbra]

don't you love a columnus build without Survivalist

[snow pendant]

because how pinning fire works bolter will always be ass for me

[serene sage]

eh it's fine

[raw steppe]

there's no point commenting on stuff like this lol

[serene sage]

we need to stop crutching Survivalist

for once it's reworked

[raw steppe]

just chuckle and move on lololol

[wet moon]

finally someone says it

[snow pendant]

ur 1st shot dont have maximum dmg potential making killing elites a chore because follow up shot is going to be ass from the recoil

[wet moon]

just dont shoot everything in sight

[serene sage]

or you can not be a dick and help
the build isn't that bad, just need to move a few things around

[snow pendant]

yes

[bright cliff]

also there's a certain irony to taking stripped down on something with mobility as a dump stat

[snow pendant]

grenade everything in sight

[tall torrent]

If they actually rework survivalist before fixing veteran tree’s flexibility it’ll be so funny

[raw steppe]

what is there to help lol

[brisk umbra]

i mean, i get it, it's a GREAT solo build

[snow pendant]

explosions always solves everything

[willow badger]

precision strike over deadshot worth?

[whole moon]

and dont gang up on mobs because you want the kills, if a teammate has it under control leave it to em

[tall torrent]

Stripped down is very good

[wet moon]

doesnt matter

[raw steppe]

the build isn't cohesive and there's like 6 things wrong with it lol

[tall torrent]

I don’t think stripped down is needed when you have smoke tho

[serene sage]

I mean like what I said, I suggested to move about 4 nodes around

[snow pendant]

or rather shoot the elites and specials cuz those are the dangerous things and vets are supposed to have the means to delete them from range

[bright cliff]

I dislike stripped down out of principle. what am I doing? running away?

[wet moon]

stripped down + D&D = constantly replrenishing stamina under gunfire while sprinting

getting stamina back to feed deadshot when ADS

[serene sage]

yeah cause
a) it's an autogun
b) precision works for knife melee

[tall torrent]

If you already have smokes to confuse the shooters I don’t think you’ll be needing that in a lot of cases

[wet moon]

8 stacks for more dmg + more toughness and stamina on pinged kill

[south spindle]

Precision is just a fuckin goated perk ngl

[wet moon]

id like to NOT have smokes though

[willow badger]

wont deadshot proc more with iags tho

[snow pendant]

why are we trying to justify a grenade that gives mobs 2nd hand smoke ?

that shit is ass

[bright cliff]

I didnt see deadshot yeah I can buy stripped down in that scenario but like deadshot kinda sucks to use

[sharp ember]

of course not, you're ADVANCING to make them choke on your gun barrel

[tall torrent]

You only get 2 stacks for every tagged enemy killed, after the first tagged enemy (8 stacks) dies

[south spindle]

Deadshot is a lot better on semi-auto weapons than full auto for sure

Get more out of it

[raw steppe]

yes deadshot is the best for getting more dmg

[snow pendant]

there is nvr a reason to bring smoke , period , u dont just blind the enemy also ur own team

[bright cliff]

I'm ADVANCING with my HELBORE LASGUN and they will be choking on IMPERIAL STEEL

[snow pendant]

is a damn liability

[raw steppe]

though the stam drain will be annoying to manage

[bright cliff]

ONLY viable reason to use stripped down

[wet moon]

that is. why im asking. to get a single extra point to not get smokes

[serene sage]

my heart is telling me to make a good smoke build
my mind is telling shit is actually so ass

[south spindle]

Its workable

Not amazing tho an the points cost is... eesh..

[tall torrent]

Smoke is very bad when used improperly

[south spindle]

Need Exe' and the one that lets your team see highlights

Else its just trolling

[spark helm]

this again?

[wet moon]

not really, no

[spark helm]

man. fuck yall. im using smoke rn

[south prairie]

Grab ALL the grenade nodes and chuck smoke out like candy

[raw steppe]

if only smokes did anything

LOL

[spark helm]

i like smoke grenades. would rather use krak

[snow pendant]

ur heart is high on pot listen to ur mind

[spark helm]

but i like them

[sharp ember]

twinned nade smoke

[serene sage]

this?

[spark helm]

it works for how I do stuff

[snow pendant]

if smoke have utility like putting out fires thats a different story

[whole moon]

I played carnival where someone insisted on smoking the entryway blinding all the team from shooting anything beyond the entryway. completely hobbled the team right at the end and wouldnt stop despite being asked to 😦

[spark helm]

how u plan on doing stuff through this build is my question. I wouldn't say anything about it is fucked from the get-go, we actually have a similar tree setup rn

[snow pendant]

smoke is more a pain in the karking ass than actually useful

[south spindle]

They do shut down shooter mobs quite hard, but without highlights for your team... generally just a fuckin mess

[serene sage]

i mean you krak stuff and melee with knife?
im not saying it's good
im just trying to make it better

[spark helm]

Smoke would be a bit better if its cc was more potent, giving bonuses while in smoke beyond just having it there to temporarily fuck with los on enemies only goes so far and people genuinely don't let themselves even bother lighting up an area that has downed goons

[snow pendant]

unless i am playing zealot but if i have someone in the team playing smokes i am leaving mission

[serene sage]

smoke should make enemies attack each other

thanks for coming to my TED talk

[spark helm]

I straight up don't know why vet doesn't get actual bonuses for being in smoke

[south spindle]

They'd legit be so much more competitive if they shut down snipers

[spark helm]

bardin smoke does that already so idk

[south spindle]

Is sad that they dont

[half ginkgo]

And snipers actually giving a damn about smoke

[pure chasm]

it should enable friendly fire so gunners can gun down their own walkers

[wet moon]

keeping deadshot
keeping surprise attack
iron will kinda debatable tbh
keeping onslaught
might be removing the keystone nodes ig tho

[snow pendant]

do me 1 solid make smoke put out fires and stagger enemy with choking on the fumes then we can start changing opinions about smoke being ass

[spark helm]

I never smoke for snipers.

[tender rose]

It would be nice if it made enemy's glow. Especially for night maps.

[serene sage]

okay then you do you

[south spindle]

They dont even work on Snipers

Nurgle blessed them with thermal-sights

[half ginkgo]

That’s what I wrote

[south spindle]

Fuckers

[south prairie]

Bruh smoke putting out fire alone would make it much better

[serene sage]

im just saying the build isn't very coherent if you insist on those talents with those weapons

[wet moon]

elaborate

[south prairie]

This reminds of Alien Swarm's flares that let you lock on enemies

[spark helm]

I'll smoke for like, spreading out areas for people to make space for safe repositioning. maybe fucking over some shooters that I'm in melee range of while saving ammo to clear them out and give myself cover, ccing weak hordes for a second if I don't want to use stealth revive, etc.

[snow pendant]

we would actually have a counter against flamers and bombers instead of just 'kIlInG ThEm BeFoRe ThEy AtTaCK' like period only counter against those things is just killing them before they do anything, and thats shit design

[willow badger]

any suggestions

[spark helm]

But beyond that, smoke is definitely a limited option. Much more flexible than people give it some credit but yeah, you're probably better off using the other two

[willow badger]

running with ps6 and columnus iag

[brisk umbra]

honestly, if you don't bother with the buffs to Focus Target i don't think it's worth it, at that point you can spend two points somewhere else

[half ginkgo]

For what guns/melees?

[willow badger]

columnus iag and ps6 w/pc4

[whole moon]

I'm sure changes will happen, whether they'll be positive or not is left to be seen but right now I feel there's more utility to frag or krak. Vets have so many ways to take on shooters that don't require smoke

[spark helm]

That one as well

[half ginkgo]

Columnus wants Onslaught from the right tree to be at maximum efficiency

[serene sage]

Deadshot on Autoguns is not great, Precision buffs both your melee and ranged hits
You don't have good way to regen toughness, no ping toughness is too situational. Iron Will is better, synergy with Confirmed Kills too
Surprise attack sure, you can keep that
Onslaught only applies to your gun, not your knife. Desperado is busted.

[half ginkgo]

Drop top left part and see if you can grab Onslaught

[trim steppe]

Man, I'd love to play a Lasgun for a bit but literally 100% of the time I don't pick a gun that hard carries the pug team falls apart. Its the plasma life for me 24/7

[half ginkgo]

You can also drop toughness keystone node with shout imho

[trim steppe]

I love plasma but I'd love even more to switch things up

[snow pendant]

promise to nvr bring smoke and no one here will have much to say about builds for vet

[brisk umbra]

Deadshot on autogun (i would guess Colomnus) means you're out of stamina in half a second

[willow badger]

sacrifice exhilarating takedown for it?

[spark helm]

Can't relate. I save doomed runs with mine.

[brisk umbra]

If you really need crit at that point go for Weapon Specialist instead

[wet moon]

it's a bit longer than that, and get it back with duck and dive

[half ginkgo]

Yes, both longshot and exhilarating

[willow badger]

boom

done

[slim shard]

Pardon me fellow vets, but is there a preferred weapon for weakspot builds? I'm assuming kantrael XII

[wet moon]

considering, but also that crit only applies to the first shot unless im missing something

[south prairie]

Onslaught is gun only? The fuck?

[spark helm]

:^)

[trim steppe]

The 1a carries you through elite swarms with your team down?

[spark helm]

The elites are already dead.

[half ginkgo]

Works, I would argue that Helbores and Vrakses are better options

[slim shard]

Oh, good to hear. I really like the helbore

[half ginkgo]

Both being outshined by plasma and revolvers and bolted

[slim shard]

Yeah I already have some builds that work with that and it's pretty goated

[brisk umbra]

5 seconds (so pretty much your entire mag)

[slim shard]

but I wanna experiment

[willow badger]

gonna drop the focus toughness keystone for desperado. worth?

[serene sage]

Yeah

[half ginkgo]

Yeah, I would argue Helbore 1 or 2 are the best since bayonet is great

Not so much on 3

[slim shard]

Really? I've been using Helbore 3 and it's been slapping

[spark helm]

plus I'm usually in situations where if there is a mass of elites, especially carapiced ones, they're usually clustered up for a krak or two so I'm not really al that worried.

[slim shard]

I can two shot crushers with it

[spark helm]

Thankfully krak nades ignore bulwark shields.

[slim shard]

if my aim isn't pepga

[snow pendant]

personally any weapon that U can headshot with would work but some guns makes it easier so is still up to you because that build rely more on your shooting skills than weapon set up

[half ginkgo]

Between 1 and 2 mk2 is my pick but needs the roll

[slim shard]

Yeah I'm aware of this fact, but I wanna make funny numbers

[half ginkgo]

+25% maniac, +5% crit for perks, blessings standard surgical/onslaught

78% damage/stopping

Basically a 330 dmg charged body shot

On Dreg

[spark helm]

if you're chasing bigger dmg numbers you're better off not messing with kantraels. They're not something to slouch at in the long term for a long run, but you're not going to have the firepower you need to break ridiculous charts if that's what you're looking for.

[snow pendant]

then straight my pocket would be revolver , is ez to use and has all the power u need without having to charge and yes it 2 shots crushers too

[slim shard]

My brother in christ I have been using revolver since it released. I was there when the magic was written and the goofy reload speed buff discovered.

[serene sage]

Funny numbers probably plasma or revolver

[snow pendant]

i dont recommend helbores cuz of the charge u can acquire a target faster than the charge can fill

[willow badger]

what the bis blessings for columnus

[half ginkgo]

I maybe getting a bit funny after some G&T so what’s this reload magic?

[slim shard]

I'm mostly just trying other shit after getting really used to revolver/plasma shouty builds.

[flat pebble]

the thing about the lasguns is that they do a lot of damage relative to the enemies you’re trying to use them on mostly

[spark helm]

you don't have to hold the full charge to kill certain things iwth hellbores

[snow pendant]

then u have the gospel why waver in its faith ?

[spark helm]

but if you don't like downtime between shots that's fine, don't bother with the hellbores then.

[half ginkgo]

Hells, one more cocktail I guess I will need to upgrade to Malice gaming for my weeklies

[flat pebble]

which don’t actually need that much damage to kill so the total damage stat isn’t really cranking up there

[slim shard]

Roughly 80-110% reload makes animations go brrr

[flat pebble]

bother with the helbores just for limbsplitter bayonet shenanigans

[spark helm]

pretty much this one yeah lol

[half ginkgo]

Yes, get Rashad with BM and Limpshitter

[slim shard]

Because after killing nearly 100k heretics I am now morbidly curious on new ways to dismember and destroy in the name of the emprah.

[willow badger]

firefrenzy 3 worth picking up for columnus?

[snow pendant]

what helbore brings is dmg and good melee without having to swap and with mk1,2 u get a free sprint speed boost

[half ginkgo]

May I suggest Infernus Recon /s

[serene sage]

Helbore Bayonet it is then

[slim shard]

The meme-beam?

Fun

[serene sage]

No this is not a meme

[slim shard]

Yeah I know

[snow pendant]

then like many brothers here suggest the biggest shiny cylinder in the arsenal , plasma

[slim shard]

infernus recon is

[whole moon]

It's good, so is Infernus, DumDum and Raking Fire. All go well on Columnus

[flat pebble]

bayonet benefits from limbsplitter on your melee weapon so it’s extra stupid rn

[serene sage]

Do you know that gun shopping scene in John Wick?

[spark helm]

which one lol

[half ginkgo]

Also BM last I checked

For 15% WS

[serene sage]

From the first movi

[flat pebble]

that makes sense

[spark helm]

ye

[whole moon]

.....and for dessert?

[flat pebble]

that’s so much weak spot damage in total

[snow pendant]

bold

[spark helm]

me being told about the same lasgun from lance reddick a 30th time within the week

https://tenor.com/view/frog-pepsi-having-a-good-time-eating-funny-epic-gif-15879543

[snow pendant]

something bold and robust

[half ginkgo]

It 2 shots ragers on Damna while staggering them…

[flat pebble]

the way lance reddick saying guardian is immediately available in my brain at any time

[serene sage]

I know you're familiar with the Cadia ChainSword variety, but may I suggest Devil Claw MkIV, light, fast, platsteel infused blade with the ability to parry?

[flat pebble]

scrumptious

we also have a side of shovel

[half ginkgo]

Doing weeklies now with shovel. It’s damn nice

Shovel, plasma, shout, mid keystone, shredder frags, aura and demo stockpile

Damn nice

[spark helm]

Guardian

[flat pebble]

there’s something so funny to me about how we can poke mutants out of their charge with a shovel special headshot

like bitch, poke

and they just stop in place looking insulted

[spark helm]

ogryn can bully crushers with open palm slaps

it's good.

[half ginkgo]

On serious note - if I wanted to try hard Auric or Maelstrom I would go plasma and shovel/dc4. Exe stance or shout

[flat pebble]

can do that with shovel pokes as well, staggers them even mid overhead

if you’re trying hard i would do mk6 power sword imo

but shout

[half ginkgo]

I don’t play Ogryn but doesn’t club staggers even DH on WS heavy hit?

[slim shard]

It requires a combo.

You heavy into slap, and you can do it.

[snow pendant]

1 combo to delete carapace whats not to love

[slim shard]

It's harder on certain bosses cause heads be tiny.

[whole moon]

Heavy followed by slap. DH is awkward tho but it's poss

[flat pebble]

yeah it’s hard to not enjoy

[half ginkgo]

Yeah, fuck flesh bags and their tiny heads

[whole moon]

Imo probably easier shoving her off a walkway

[spark helm]

oh yeah what's the ps combo again?

for mk4?

[flat pebble]

l1 l1 l1

[spark helm]

It's off push shove or something and it's actually incredible on the output for carapace.

[whole moon]

Lol mk3 or mk6?

[spark helm]

someone posted it weeks ago.

[trim steppe]

block charge push light

[spark helm]

I think the 6 my b

[flat pebble]

oh the mk6 lol

[half ginkgo]

PSVI? For horde it’s light spam. For muties and stuff block cancel charge anim and poke

[flat pebble]

it’s push attack light light

[half ginkgo]

DC4 is L1H2

[flat pebble]

you really only need the push attack for most enemies though

[spark helm]

I like seeing the animations.

[flat pebble]

it is cool

[half ginkgo]

But way too slow

[wet moon]

are you sure the WS crit bonus lasts the entire 5 seconds and not just the first shot? bc it seems like the first shot

[spark helm]

though rn i'm getting away with rev light light. only have t3 power cycler

[flat pebble]

i like the final dink off the side of the head

[half ginkgo]

Risky even

[spark helm]

They need to know.

[snow pendant]

push attack the l2 l3

[half ginkgo]

A valid opinion 😄

[spark helm]

For the same reason I'll slide into a gang of crushers, lob a krak, pop stealth and wink before mowing down whatever is ahead of me is important.

They. Need. To. Know.

[half ginkgo]

Btw new drip on 30th?

[spark helm]

no idea. don't follow the cosmetic stuff.

haven't really cared much. everything that they've gotr that looks cool to me is either already on me or just kind of there.

I'm not really into 40k's aesthetics that much to be real. I like a lot of it but whatever steers how they show off stuff I can't be interested in it.

[slender crown]

i prefer the mg IV personally as a whole when talking about the lasguns

[spark helm]

That Zealot armor shit looks so corny to me.

I guess that krieg shit is cool but idc about gas masks that much /shrug

I'm sure those people just are drowning in it in this kind of franchise though.

[whole moon]

Well are you in for a treat when you get the Ogryn farthuffer mask in a couple of days

[spark helm]

finally, I can throat fumes or something idk lol

Okay no that was it for me. I hate toilet humor lmao.

I'm making a drink, that was gross

[whole moon]

I shall attempt to refrain in future. No promises

[spark helm]

oh no you good. I did the last part to myself lmao.

I tasted the mental image. I'm out at that point. Nope. Nope.

[terse idol]

What the heck happened to the Krieg chest cosmetic?

[warped agate]

[terse idol]

They squished the bag

🥹

[whole moon]

The eyes glow too if that makes it better

[warped agate]

Is this the vanguard pack?

[spark helm]

I wouldn't buy anything, but I'd be sold on gas mask aesthetics if I just looked for really cool art pieces with deep smoke effects on whatever medium being used. Smoke art is cool.

couldn't get into that rainbow6 shit but whatever the shotty guy with the fucked up gas nades had some dope pieces of him.

[river escarp]

Oh nice

[terse idol]

Oh Smoke

Uhh

[ruby totem]

Oh shit I haven't been around a while. Just read in one of the patches they fixed exhil takedown. Noice.

[spark helm]

lol

[terse idol]

Yeah Smoke

[spark helm]

there was the brazlians I liked a lot,

There was this one African guy. don't remember his little fed faction thing whatever but he had some cool stuff.

[terse idol]

Mozzie

[spark helm]

Yeah.

[terse idol]

Oh woops no

[spark helm]

idk lol

[terse idol]

Thats Australian

[spark helm]

he had um

the aqua kind of suit.

[terse idol]

Wamai?

[junior needle]

Pretty good roll, shame about the gun though

[terse idol]

Yeeahh wamai

[spark helm]

yep

him

[whole moon]

Giving me Mass Effect vibes

[merry mesa]

okay so for the "make every shot count" penance, I have done 4 missions now with a shotgun at 16% ammo missing no shots and not shooting at any enemies with carapace or flak armor as I've heard that can count as a miss if no damage is dealt. I am also only using the incindiary shells. I have gone through these missions missing no shots, does each pellet need to hit? and if so is it better to try with a revo or plasma?

[spark helm]

they're all cops so i can't really get into the game like that like that and fuck the learning curve lol.

[merry mesa]

I also heard this penance may be bugged currently and unachievable

[spark helm]

but it's one of those tact shooters so /shrug

the tensity is nice though.

[tall torrent]

When will the vanguard pack be available

[spark helm]

someone said the 30th.

[tall torrent]

There’re 2 days left in November and they said “late November”

[spark helm]

i never confirmed it

[whole moon]

I heard 'end of the month' which could be any day now

[tall torrent]

I’m considering this build rn

[atomic zephyr]

me watching the gun ogryn kill all my highlighted targets before i can

[whole moon]

Unless it gives me an extra 20% damage resistance I'm happy to get it whenever it comes tho

[tall torrent]

Rashad + mg4 lasgun, that’s the plan anyway

[atomic zephyr]

XII lasgun doesnt hit anymore :(

[spark helm]

you can pop off with that

[tall torrent]

MG12 needs VF to hit breakpoints now it’s so sad

[atomic zephyr]

yeah ive been trying to love it

i have a godroll XII

but it just,...doesnt feel the same, man.

[spark helm]

I can't be told infantry las feels bad.

(that's the really fast one right?)

[atomic zephyr]

oh the 1a is a joy

no

xii is the slow

[tall torrent]

1a is more versatile and can still hold breakpoints with VoC builds

IV I need to try

[spark helm]

yeah...

[tall torrent]

I think IV fits my jam best

[spark helm]

ngl idk

[atomic zephyr]

look at this thing

its beautiful

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t the 4 get like 60~70 shots between reloads

[atomic zephyr]

but its useless

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-pepsi-having-a-good-time-eating-funny-epic-gif-15879543

[tall torrent]

Why

[spark helm]

Maybe they don't like the fire rate in high densities.

That's my hard projection actually. Main reason why I use it less on tighter maps.

[junior needle]

mg4 is more bodyshot playstyle oriented

[celest vine]

AYO

[tall torrent]

I find headshots a little too inconsistent in this game if it takes more than 1 headshot to kill and they’re wiggling their small heads

[spark helm]

anyone use the smg?

[atomic zephyr]

it feels like it lacks the killing power its fire rate implies

i dont kill in any more shots than the 1a does

[astral blade]

ya know there 3 things that really annoy me about darktide

[atomic zephyr]

the 1a is literally just better

[astral blade]

1. bad teammates

[junior needle]

If you mean the autopistol, no because it's dogshit now

[tall torrent]

I’m looking for extra sustained firepower and better move speed when moving so the 4 seems better suited for my needs

[astral blade]

2. gunkers

[formal wagon]

Trappers

[spark helm]

anything more specific with that statement? legit curious. never touched it.

had ideas for it

[atomic zephyr]

yeah that'll have that

[astral blade]

and 3. lack of crowd control from rando teammates

[tall torrent]

Just outclassed by Columnus IAG

[atomic zephyr]

its just occurred to me my columnus build is exactly the same as my lasgun build

[tall torrent]

As long as it’s not taking a lot more shots than 1a on average then I’m totally fine with it

[atomic zephyr]

fuck it switching to focus target

[whole moon]

I've used it recently (shredder) it's still serviceable but it's outclassed by a lot.
Fast fire rate, hyperaccurate but very weak against armour now

[atomic zephyr]

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[junior needle]

It was very blessing dependent (pinning fire) for damage output and now that pinning was very substantially nerfed, it's very lacking damage wise. It has good stagger, but that's the only thing it has going for it now.

[flint garden]

vet tree moment

[atomic zephyr]

fuck it no keystones

[astral blade]

rip

[spark helm]

even after investment in suppression?

[atomic zephyr]

im not giving up suppression immunity on a sniping build

[tall torrent]

And stagger wise, braced autos just do it better

With way more damage

[spark helm]

I'm a weirdo, I'll steer my build to force myself to use different tools.

fuck it

actually nah nvm i thought about it and the columnus might as well feel like an smg

[junior needle]

Don't see why suppression would boost your damage or why you'd invest in it.

[atomic zephyr]

also, found this thing lying around in my inventory, probably an emperor's gift
does the stopping power on this kill it?

[tall torrent]

Powderburn increases dmg against suppressed enemies

[spark helm]

It's a bloated strat for sure but the idea is snappy crowd control for melee setup.

[junior needle]

Stopping power will be a noticeable detriment but it's serviceable if you replace the perks.

[tall torrent]

If this can’t 2 tap both gunners & both flamers to the head then it’s irrelevant imo

[junior needle]

It already suppresses quite well, so more is pointless. That also only helps against the few enemies actually affected by suppression.

[whole moon]

This is the build I have, as I said, still 'serviceable' but a Columnus IAG will do more for you

[spark helm]

but then i'd have to consider how consitently i can even afford that kind of a play. if I'm forced to just take cover because I can't even harass for breathing room I don't really risk it like that on vet. It's a bit too costly at that point

[atomic zephyr]

nvm brunt just saved my ass

debating between using headhunter 4 or swapping out a perk

[spark helm]

so 530 is looking the like the clean cap for power level in this game.

[atomic zephyr]

thought it was 550?

its DEFINITELY not 530

[spark helm]

If it is then that's what it is. I literally have zero idea.

[atomic zephyr]

source

[spark helm]

Yeah. I figured I just forgot since I deleted all my dudes ages ago for the overhaul relevel experience.

[atomic zephyr]

yeah its 550

[spark helm]

Do you just have to keep playing for 550's to be the only thing dropping for you?

[midnight mortar]

I'd vote for a perk.

[tall torrent]

Crit chance -> flak

[tall torrent]

Highest possible is 550

[midnight mortar]

It's only 20% at tier 4 headhunter.

[tall torrent]

No u just randomly get lucky

Highest I have yet is a 549 helbore2

[astral blade]

i'm back

what i miss

[spark helm]

got you

[junior needle]

The CIAG will do much better damage when built and across a wider variety of targets. The autopistol has great damage to maniacs but at full build is only just slightly ahead of a gray ciag. Autopistol also has poor flak damage.

[south spindle]

Even comfier version of the Boltgun build i posted earlier. 15 stacks makes breakpoints 100% consistent, plus you get to leverage the faster recharge for ult, not that its required, but its nice to have. Did forgo grenade regen for it, but its a Boltgun, so not massive drama there 😄

[junior needle]

Vs flak

[cunning sandal]

Cope.

[south spindle]

Lol wut, thats the highest DPS the class can achieve

[tight dragon]

can i save this?

[sleek garden]

That doesn't look anything like an autopistol

[south spindle]

Or are you one of those players that decides all the ammo on the map belongs to them an you dont like others picking it up?

[civic knot]

is lvl 4 surgical a must?

[celest vine]

Shattering impact is good

Blaze away is not really that needed, or even good, on plasma gun

[south spindle]

Not a must, but its very nice to have

[south spindle]

Shattering doesnt do a whole lot for Plasma, i would rather have Blaze

[civic knot]

Does collateral even matter for boltgun?

[tight dragon]

guess i can just fix perks then if gets hot III isn't too bad

[celest vine]

Blaze seems way too situational

Especially since you need to spam hard to get it to trigger

[south spindle]

Its stagger, so if you're running Pinning Fire, it helps stack it faster as more enemies will get staggered by the blast

[south spindle]

Which you will end up doing, because uncharged shots reach so many breakpoints that its what you should be using 90% of the time

[civic knot]

yes but is more stagger really all that important when you have the most powerful when you have the most powerful shots in the game besides plasma gun?

[south spindle]

Yes, because it stacks Pinning Fire, which in turn, gives you more damage...

It's literally added damage for staggering enemies

More things getting staggered = faster stacks = more damage

[cunning sandal]

He hit me with "Nuh uh" and then blocked me after this little interaction regarding Gun Psyker:

[cunning sandal]

Oh lemme not forget

He moved goalposts before blocking me

So he gets the last word in

[south spindle]

Lel, CRP type energy

[cunning sandal]

[tight dragon]

tbf can't i just put maniac and keep the second craft for blaze or gets hot 4

[cunning sandal]

FR

If I had a nickel for everytime someone hit me with "Nuh uh" and then blocked me without even arguing against me, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice, right?

[tight dragon]

unyielding on plasma doesn't seem like it does that much since it sucks on bosses anyway

[south spindle]

I would just change both your perks on that in all honesty mate

[merry mesa]

I think the make every shot count penance is bugged as I've tried it with shotgun, plasma gun, and revolver with 100% accuracy while also not shooting any flak or carapace armor enemies and it still has not worked

[south spindle]

Flak/Maniac

[tight dragon]

wasn't flak on plasma a meme?

[raw steppe]

it is

it's completely useless

doesnt hit any meaningful bps with it

[charred scarab]

even Unarmoured is better lmao

[cunning sandal]

I forgor, do you need Carapace to hit the Crusher one shot BP?

[south spindle]

It one shots both Gunners without Unarmoured or Flak, just gotta dome 'em

[raw steppe]

IMO the best is either maniac/carapace for faster crusher/mauler or maniac/unyielding for faster reaper/bulwark

[south spindle]

Did'nt Hadzi post a meme video where he got the oneshot on Crusher by hitting it with a charge shot at 100% heat an then exploding an it killed it?

[cunning sandal]

I don't recall tbh

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t plasma headshot for mauler say “flak armor”

[raw steppe]

mauler is carapace

[scarlet smelt]

What the fuck was this

[south spindle]

I wouldnt call Flak on Plasma a meme tho, because it nets you a one shot headshot on Flak Rager without needing a crit

[junior needle]

Mauler head is carapace*

[tall torrent]

But for some reason if you aim headshot mauler with plasma gun it’ll say flak armor

[south spindle]

Pretty sure it was him yeah, i cbf to find it tho

[livid fractal]

can i get a basic bitch build for Kant 1a and Rashad

[tight dragon]

does look that way at least in meat grinder, can you even get the carapace hit with plasma?

[acoustic bloom]

finally

[raw steppe]

bug

damage is still carapace type

[tall torrent]

Ah ok

[livid fractal]

hows this for a basic ass kant/rashad build

might also use it if i get a good Vraaks VII

[frosty lark]

eh?

good or no

idk what good knife blessings are

[raw steppe]

it's alright

uncanny mercy killer has pretty good synergy with the bleed

[frosty lark]

i see