veteran-class

[mystic belfry]

I don’t bother using that mod myself

[glacial mist]

for a vet

im using the shouting thing right now

cause it's like help me survive

[mystic belfry]

Shout is great

[trim hemlock]

Trapper is not flak

It’s maniac

[tall torrent]

Oh mb typo

Was thinking bomber

[glacial mist]

oh yeah speaking of that

what's the different type of like

damage increase for anyway

and how do you tell

[inland orchid]

Armor types

Meat grinder

[glacial mist]

flak, infested, maniac

etc.

oof

[mystic belfry]

Hit them in the shooting range

It will tell you

[glacial mist]

need to go find em in training sim eh

[mystic belfry]

Flak and maniac are your default perks

Very broadly useful

[glacial mist]

what about the ones on the

big dude

ones that when i hit em my melee keep getting like

bounced off

[untold moth]

What are veterans best guns at the moment? Assume auric damnation for breakpoints

[tall torrent]

Flak is the most common armor type
Basically u see any enemy wearing black or silver looking armor, that’s flak

Maniac includes both flamers, trapper, mutant and Dreg rager (most guns have +% dmg to maniac compared to base)

Unarmored is just unarmored

Carapace only include crushers (full body) and maulers (head)

Unyielding is generally boss damage, but also includes bulwarks & reapers

Infested include poxwalkers (horned zombies that come in waves) and pox hounds

[untold moth]

I made a Columnus infantry auto after some discussion I read here, was really satisfied

[viral nacelle]

It’s so good

[hybrid river]

Those are crushers, carapace armor, can only pen that with melee heavy attacks or specials depending on the weapon

[odd sparrow]

consensus is plasma and revolver

[glacial mist]

i see

[viral nacelle]

The accuracy on the Colombo IAG isn’t great but man that stream of bullets is 🥵

[untold moth]

Is revolvers actually good now?

[glacial mist]

but my chainsword revving attack can work just fine

[stuck bridge]

plasma, revolver top, autoguns are good, hellbore is good, basically anything other than recon las

[nimble sentinel]

1. The best gun is subjective and depends on a persons playstyle and particular build
2. MG IV Lasgun
3. uj/ probably plasma

[tall torrent]

Yes

[viral nacelle]

Always has been

[mystic belfry]

Extremely

[versed merlin]

the most busted weapon rn

[glacial mist]

i love mine

[inland orchid]

^

[glacial mist]

it's a handcannon

[forest blaze]

Plasma. Revolver. Columnus IAG. Helbore. There’s quite a few

There’s only a couple of “don’t use” guns with recon lasgun at that level

[untold moth]

Which blessings for revolver? Assuming perks are flak maniac for general purpose?

[forest blaze]

Hand cannon surgical

[versed merlin]

handcannon surgical

[untold moth]

Which helbore are people using. I’ve got a couple 3s

[versed merlin]

just two shoted a crusher with this menace

[glacial mist]

im using a 1

[mystic belfry]

And yeah, flakiac

[glacial mist]

helbore mk1

[teal abyss]

The sights on the 3 are my favourite

[hybrid river]

3s

[nimble sentinel]

I don't do revolvers and don't have a good one yet, wouldnt you get more out of carapace than flak?

[glacial mist]

is shotgun good?

[versed merlin]

it penetrates carapace

[untold moth]

Carapace is pretty rare damage type

[glacial mist]

havent used one yet

[versed merlin]

so doesnt matter that much

[tall torrent]

With a very specific build, yes

[mystic belfry]

Shotguns are solid, but they aren’t crazy

[untold moth]

Maniac is best imo. Comes up most often on key targets

[glacial mist]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-write-writing-down-huang4evr-gif-23517025

[mystic belfry]

Carapace is basically just for crushers

[glacial mist]

gotta note these vital infos down

[untold moth]

Which melee are people pairing with revolver? Assuming there’s some fun stuff in right side tree for weapon swap build

[versed merlin]

https://imgur.com/a/AR0Nxo4

[inland orchid]

Flamer u don’t like? Manic

Trappers? Manic

[versed merlin]

anything that suits you really

[inland orchid]

I’m forgetting a A but u get it lol

[nimble sentinel]

I thought revolver damage was already plenty high enough on flak and it needs a boost for the OHK on crushers and maulers

[versed merlin]

if you:re talking about vet that is

[tall torrent]

You usually (not always) want maniac on your guns because it allows u to deal with most priority targets very quickly at range

[mystic belfry]

Anything with good horde clear, like shovel. You can also trade some dps for mobility and take dagger

[untold moth]

I want to like the psword, but as a zealot main the lack of Dodge distance on the thing gets me killed because I’m spoiled

[mystic belfry]

Horse clear is back

[teal abyss]

What did those horses do to you

[forest blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-smile-hungry-feed-me-gif-10862144

[glacial mist]

like, why do you have blessings like this one? why use at gun at close range lol

[tall torrent]

A good rashad axe is godly

[versed merlin]

mans got a thing with horses

[glacial mist]

like a fetish thing?

[mystic belfry]

Combat axes are all good

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1178551591800942592/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.26_-_23.21.22.01.mp4?ex=65768eb3&is=656419b3&hm=41d4ef092e20dc8c7e9852ee630381022f1a68f5cf2ea886ce22e1fe444a7dd5&

[mystic belfry]

I like to clear them apparently

[glacial mist]

i dunno i cant vibe with it

i need my melee weap to clear hordes

[untold moth]

Brutal momentum and headtaker still the way to go on Rashad?

[glacial mist]

and axe just doesnt

[tall torrent]

You have to have brutal momentum

[versed merlin]

it does with brutal momentum but you might want attack speed

[glacial mist]

seems like a single target wep to me

[teal abyss]

Get you a devils claw, horde clear and single target with the parry, love that thing

[odd sparrow]

depends on which axe

[untold moth]

I think going right side tree with Rashad sounds sexy. 10% atk speed

[glacial mist]

what with the downward vertical strike

[tall torrent]

Unarmored perk (must have)
Flak perk (good for saving talent points to reach dreg bruiser 1 tap)
Brutal momentum (must have)
Headtaker/decimator

[mystic belfry]

My favorite melees atm are shovel, ps6, and knife

[glacial mist]

what's considered elites?

[tall torrent]

Combat axes are light attack spam weapons

[versed merlin]

im doing this build with rashad 2 combat axe and its pretty bonkers

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a60607c-f220-4903-9931-f21cb4cf0785/patch-15-auric-maelstrom-pubbing-lazy-mans-1-build-wonder

[untold moth]

Unarmoured a must have?

[teal abyss]

Gunners, ragers, etc

[versed merlin]

havent tested on auric t5 tho

[tall torrent]

Hits scab bruiser 1 tap head

[placid portal]

Rager, Gunners, Maulers, Crushers, & Reapers

[untold moth]

That’s sick.

[placid portal]

Usually elites don't have a unique spawning voiceline

[glacial mist]

what's a good relic like?

what's the main things to look out for on a relic?

[hybrid river]

17% toughness

[glacial mist]

im just running +exp for now cause still leveling

but i assume that wont be the case at lvl30

[mystic belfry]

Stam toughness toughness

[placid portal]

Gunner resistance is big money

[tall torrent]

Both ragers
Mauler
Both shotgunners
Both gunners
Bulwark
Reaper
Crusher

[glacial mist]

so gunner resist, toughness and stam?

[mystic belfry]

x3 gunner resistance

[untold moth]

I like stamina health toughness, with sniper, gunner, and toughness on all

[delicate estuary]

HOLY GOD ROLL

[placid portal]

Gunner resist also includes shotgunners but not normal shooters

[delicate estuary]

brunt trolling me today

[placid portal]

nice

the knife is super heavy

[hybrid river]

https://tenor.com/view/smells-bad-philip-blake-fbi-international-im-outta-here-it-stinks-gif-25907377

Knife?

[mystic belfry]

Mmh knife

[placid portal]

Rending backstab is funny

[versed merlin]

2 handed knife

[glacial mist]

is wound a good relic perk

[placid portal]

esp when you backstab a beast of nurgle and chunk away its health

[mystic belfry]

A lot of people like to run+1 wound

[placid portal]

Defensive which is nice

[glacial mist]

and what's specialist?

[placid portal]

but I like running in the danger zone of 2 wounds

[tall torrent]

+1 wound is fine
Using 3 wounds is less fine (unless you’re martyrdom zealot)

[glacial mist]

are they different from elite

[placid portal]

Ye

[mystic belfry]

Same

Sink or swim

[placid portal]

They have an introduction voiceline on spawn

[untold moth]

Wound can help. I run 1x wound on vet because I find myself getting fucked occasionally when I forget I’m not on zealot

[tall torrent]

Trapper
Both flamers
Sniper
Bomber
Mutant
Pox hound
Pox burster

[nimble sentinel]

nah they ruin my auric runs they ain't free from invalidity

[glacial mist]

so elite > specialist?

[placid portal]

usually ye

[glacial mist]

or am i misunderstanding this

[placid portal]

Specialists are quite squishy

[mystic belfry]

Depends on what you need

[untold moth]

More toughness doesn’t really help if you’re only dying to flamers and grenades

[placid portal]

muties being only exception

[tall torrent]

In most cases, yes
On some weapons, not necessarily

[hybrid river]

Muties are also quite squishy if you have a chain weapon

[mystic belfry]

Most weapons don’t want elite or special damage though

[glacial mist]

https://tenor.com/view/jfk-clone-high-i-like-your-funny-words-magic-man-jack-black-gif-18659433

[placid portal]

Muties just have weakness vs melee overall tbh

[glacial mist]

this game confuses me lol

[mystic belfry]

You get used to it

[tall torrent]

Elite is less relevant on slower firing weapons that care more about killing in as few shots as possible

[placid portal]

Specifically, Muties, Flamers, and Pox hounds have a Melee damage vulnerability

[untold moth]

Is chain sword still good? Or did it get nerfed since patch 13?

[placid portal]

Is ok

[hybrid river]

Sure but a chainsword will one shot a mutie while a crusher will need quite a bit more effort

[nimble sentinel]

still great

[tall torrent]

It’s fine but I find it lacking against mixed hordes

[glacial mist]

what about this infested?

[mystic belfry]

It’s fine, not a huge chainsword fan myself

[placid portal]

infested is Dog and Pox Walkers

[glacial mist]

ok thx

[tall torrent]

Infested usually isn’t what you’re looking for

[placid portal]

Really not big tbh

[untold moth]

I feel like I just want psword but with higher mobility t.t

[glacial mist]

they dont concern me that much yea

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s a Rashad axe

[glacial mist]

unless you got pouched on by one

[mystic belfry]

You need like fifty something mobility on power sword

[glacial mist]

when you're alone

[placid portal]

infested is the only perk I think it's underwhelming since there's no Infested enemies to take priority

XDD

[mystic belfry]

Just get max dodges and you’re fine

[untold moth]

I play too much zealot and psyker for the puny psword Dodge

[nimble sentinel]

or, alternatively, throw the wish.com lightsaber in the muthafuckin trash and grab yourself a SHOVEL

[mystic belfry]

Learning to push dogs mid air is a game changer if you get cornered

[placid portal]

Also friendly reminder that Boltgun has abysmal damage modifier vs infested by 60% dmg modifier

[mystic belfry]

Shovel is great, but pair it with something like revolver or plasma

[wooden tendon]

if the psword has a negative weakpoint modifier, why does the attack breakdown show that it does more dmg to weakpoints? shouldn't it do less?

[placid portal]

you will learn very quickly that dogs need 2 shots to kill with boltgun

XPPP

[mystic belfry]

It doesn’t have a negative modifier?

[tall torrent]

All the stat modifiers are “+%”

[hybrid river]

Lore accurate😔

[placid portal]

Ah yes forgot

boltguns overpenetrate

[mystic belfry]

If only they could explode inside a target or something

[nimble sentinel]

[placid portal]

seems like the boolet just pass through infested poxxies

so minimal damage

[mystic belfry]

Yep

[wooden tendon]

maybe negative was the wrong word, it says something like "x0.83%" so if the base dmg is say 100, wouldn't it do 83 to weakpoint?

[mystic belfry]

Still a decent sized hole for though

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-shocker-shocked-black-guy-gif-27526370

Boltgun mains when they can't 1 shot a poxwalker

[placid portal]

not like they poxxies need that part anyways

[mystic belfry]

Idk I want to like bolting

[placid portal]

[mystic belfry]

But it ain’t there

[nimble sentinel]

intermission

[placid portal]

I just think of boltgun like a M2 Browning used as a sniper rifle

[mystic belfry]

Nope not clicking it

[placid portal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986509177969074216/1147334403547213896/XF5YHI7RUXM63_0D1VG9.gif

[south garnet]

it hasn't gotten nerfed, it just also hasn't gotten buffed so it falls behind in some areas relative to other weapons. It's still a fairly flexible weapon, and a good CS is a decent if not spectacular melee choice

[placid portal]

Chainsword is fun,

not fun if you get surrounded by ragers

Vet death condition, playing the game

[mystic belfry]

Idk it just never felt great to me, always enjoyed other weapons more

[placid portal]

Fair

[south garnet]

vet meta is taking sprint aura and sprint node and outpacing their teammates away from danger

[nimble sentinel]

spoilers: ||it's actually wholesome||

[placid portal]

I have enjoyed Knifing the bosses

[mystic belfry]

The big change for me is being willing to use power sword now that it’s not actually game breaking

[placid portal]

Ahh

old infinite cleave

[mystic belfry]

Knife is fun as hell

[placid portal]

Yeee

[mystic belfry]

Shovel fan too

Ps6, knife, and shovel are my trifecta atm

[placid portal]

Been running a knife and shank ragers with infiltrate for backstab like TF2 Spy

Revolver + Knife

TF2 gaming

[south garnet]

I mean, the cleave on PS now is still virtually infinite so practically speaking doesn't matter a whole lot lol. But I wouldn't say it's overpowered at this point, aside from maybe the mk6 overhead

[mystic belfry]

Did you know you can dodge fully around crushers by curving a knife dodge

The dodge is that long

[placid portal]

Knife dodge speed + distance is just nutty

Dance around enemies and backstab em

like Swipez

[south garnet]

Then again, to make a PS really work you want BM 4, PC 4, good rolls and weakspot damage node

[mystic belfry]

I don’t even run Invis on my backstab knife

[south garnet]

So it's probably fine honestly

[nimble sentinel]

y'all making me wanna burn all my plasteel again for knives\

[placid portal]

I just do it for tf2 gaming

[mystic belfry]

Ye

[placid portal]

You don't have the reserve supply of 2k plasteel?

Rip

[hybrid river]

https://tenor.com/view/stank-dog-smells-gif-25356900

Knife

[mystic belfry]

Never

[placid portal]

I pray for bountiful loot for thee

[tall torrent]

It’s not virtually infinite
Your cleave gets stopped by 3 dreg ragers or 2 scab ragers

[placid portal]

iirc current PS cleave is like 10~12.5

vs old infinite

[odd pollen]

What was loose cannon's snarky comment when someone call-out a elite/special kill?

'keep those update coming, i'm sure they'll be useful one day' or something like that?

[south garnet]

Even pre-nerf you'd (or I'd, at least) traditionally back up enough to only be actively engaged with maybe 2-4 at a time wherever possible to make timing strikes and blocks easier. I have never noticed an actual gameplay difference anecdotally

[placid portal]

"Stop Showing Off"

[odd pollen]

nah, nah, that's the headshot one

[placid portal]

Don't hear that

[nimble sentinel]

fkn love the loose cannon, wish I could change my voice

[placid portal]

Loose cannon male is based

[odd pollen]

I mean the one that trigger after someone kill a elite and call out their kills

i love the loose cannon female one

so toxic

i love it

[placid portal]

Female is toxic and Male is just got his morning bourbon

[south garnet]

man I miss morning and day drinking

[nimble sentinel]

I used to be canadian, I miss my wake and bake

[placid portal]

I still remember how the pilot got loose cannon broke from gambiling

Blud doing blackmarketing

[odd pollen]

oh yeah, i remember hearing that quote

[placid portal]

Don't care, So long as I get paid

Man is on the Grind

[tall torrent]

The cleave nerf now makes a case for sunder to be used although BM is still better imo

[tall torrent]

Masozi is a con artist lol

[placid portal]

sunder does improve stagger as well

[south garnet]

Yea I vastly prefer BM, it just synergizes well with vet talents

[placid portal]

reliably stagger ragers with sunder in intense moments so fair enough

[tall torrent]

I think she has scammed both LC vets in gambling and has gifted both fanatic zealots fake relics

[placid portal]

Damn

[tardy plaza]

See anything worth stealing round here?

LC male is hilarious and I'm glad I picked it

[nimble sentinel]

at least I get to make fun of the Cadian chuds right in their face

[sharp ember]

didn't she knock out an ogryn and gained his respect from it instead of getting disassembled like a lego

[tall torrent]

Cutthroat vet’s comments when the female fanatic zealot talks abt Masozi’s gift:
“Are you actually an idiot?”

[placid portal]

Something Something.... SHOOT IT

[nimble sentinel]

I really gotta level my heretical psyker so I can delete the snorefest cop I made and work on a LC vet

[sharp ember]

dew it

my biggest regret was choosing LEX ATOMA LEX ATOMA ENFORCERS

[nimble sentinel]

I legit have no idea why that personality is an option they are a hard conditioned by-the-book cop

we’re criminals

[tall torrent]

They’re the nicest Psyker personality though

[nimble sentinel]

Even the professional vet has lines about getting kicked out of the guard and being salty about it

[trim hemlock]

They concur with the ways of cryonic rod

[silk plover]

What the advantage of Recon Lasgun? I feel like basically everything are lower than Autogun and it very ammos hungry too.

[nimble sentinel]

You hit the nail on the head

[placid portal]

Professional vet is on the way to become officer but the bureaucrats just fucked him

[tall torrent]

Good question
Maybe fatshark will provide an advantage in patch 15

[versed merlin]

you should ask this question to fatshark themselves

[placid portal]

Durr, funny continual las gun fire

[silk plover]

[tall torrent]

To be fair, becoming an inquisitorial acolyte is probably a higher status position lol

[versed merlin]

infernus proccing = neuron activation

[nimble sentinel]

They even nerfed the interaction with shock troopers

[silk plover]

I came here for the answer, I got concerned instead.

[placid portal]

well it wasn't part of the plan

[nimble sentinel]

I’m sorry it has to be like this

[tall torrent]

Yea there’s no reason to use recon lasguns unless u just want to try it for fun

[placid portal]

Ye recon got the short end of the stick

[serene sage]

Focus Fire is so good

It buffs the enemy too

[versed merlin]

is knife a reliable horde dealer weapon?

[placid portal]

wat

[sharp ember]

not really

mediocre at best

[placid portal]

what in the fresh kentucky fried fuck

[trim hemlock]

Its main pro is mobility

[versed merlin]

i saw chocob melting hordes in auric with knife psyker and i was like ayo wtf

[sharp ember]

it keeps you safe from trash because it hits them, but they won't die in a timely manner

[junior grail]

Is it alright for me to say I got blueballed by the latest hotfix?

[sharp ember]

[placid portal]

ye you make the enemies follow you to control the flow of trash mobs

by outrunning them

[tired valley]

Question, which is better to pair with a plasma gun, chainsword or MK6 power sword

[serene sage]

whylol

[versed merlin]

whichever you prefer tbh

but if you're not keeping power sword activated at all times, then chainsword

[serene sage]

chocoB builds are questionable sometimes tbh
dude is good but I swear he just bought a random clicker to do his builds for him

[versed merlin]

legit

[sharp ember]

both are good, but a pure meta-built powersword goes with anything

[gaunt delta]

What were you expecting to come with the patch?

[placid portal]

Man do be goated in gaming

[versed merlin]

i should know better by now that taking notes from chocob is by all means wrong

[serene sage]

oh yeah, the fact that he does so well with crackhead builds is a testament to his skills

[versed merlin]

yeah it used to be like that too back in vermintide

mf doing ranger vet bardin with axe and shield

[placid portal]

the Gosh darn braced agripinaa autos

[versed merlin]

in true solo like wth

[placid portal]

built different

[serene sage]

chocoB rolls up with a speedreload autogun no CD reset VoC support vet be like yeah this game is so easy 💀

[versed merlin]

i asked him in his twitch stream why he was running knife on a psyker and he basically replied in japanese something like "figure it out yourself, if you dont come up with any answers then you ask me again"

[serene sage]

although has anyone seen his Bolter video and look at the Marksman Focus stacks?

[versed merlin]

honestly, is that keystone even worth it?

[serene sage]

it's like sub 7 most of the game... Truly one of the keystones of all time

[versed merlin]

i feel like its impossible to stay still in auric

[rugged goblet]

Didn't he actually use crouch walk in that one?

[versed merlin]

he did

[delicate moat]

i stay still by being hogtied

[serene sage]

no that's the point, dude was doing so well and still it's not at max stack

[serene sage]

based and traxis 77 pilled

[placid portal]

ye stacks do be like that,

esp since moving is life

standing still is death

imo

[versed merlin]

not for the full stacks, but maybe even 1 or 2 stacks could be a good trade? idk

[sharp ember]

from my point of view on marksman's focus you don't want to use it on a hard-hitter gun like bolter

since it's already gonna drop most things in 1-2 shots

[serene sage]

but one of the playtesters said that they wanted Boltgun to be a DMR

especially for Marksman Focus

[placid portal]

boltgun dmr????

[versed merlin]

whats dmr

[serene sage]

now obviously that's not shaping out

[placid portal]

Designated Marksmen Rifle

[versed merlin]

oof

[sharp ember]

the stacking bonuses seem more impactful on a lasgun or non-braced autogun

[serene sage]

it's a lot more like a mid-close range skirmish rifle

[placid portal]

Just a role to shoot things far but not far like sniping

[serene sage]

DMR needs higher mag than 15 rounds

[placid portal]

You can say that to 10 chambers with GTFO

[thick kestrel]

precision DMR headshotty guns are your best bet with marksman's focus really. mk7 headhunter, infantry lasguns, the quicker firing helbores... guns where you slow down a little bit to get the weakpoint hits and try to maximise your accuracy.

[versed merlin]

plus the fact that you can unload your magazine to melt a crusher already states otherwise

[serene sage]

well GTFO looks like a chess L4D2

so that makes some sense

[tall torrent]

Helbore and headhunter autoguns are both better DMRs than bolter lol

[short wigeon]

Halo would beg to differ

[placid portal]

if only that was the case

[junior grail]

Fixes while welcomed are just fixes that dont affect the talent trees or cosmetics etc

[atomic zephyr]

who tf is using boltgun as a dmr

[placid portal]

Helbore mk3 feels like it's nearing the sniper range

[thick kestrel]

the boltgun... "can" do ranged shooting but it's not exactly... precise...

[tall torrent]

Helbore 3 basically is a sniper
Without a scope

[serene sage]

that was the intention of FS said to me by a playtester

go figure

which is why they buffed the recoil significiantly path 14

[placid portal]

It's very nice, since it's crit/weakpoint modifier is high, and you get surgical for blessing

[serene sage]

and more finesse damage

[atomic zephyr]

shitty iron sights
huge sway
intended to be DMR
what were they cooking?

[rugged goblet]

Btw, does weapon specialist work with bayonet on helbore?

[placid portal]

Aim with faith of empra

[versed merlin]

clearly they were already cooked by that point

[serene sage]

you actually have 0 recoil if you go left tree with deadshot

huge sway is NO LONGER an issue

[atomic zephyr]

if i want a DMR i'll just use the vraks 7

[placid portal]

Agile Engagement works on Helbore

[sharp ember]

perchance stalker bolter with no full auto

[junior grail]

Still weird after each Bolter shot the gun has a delay before it aims properly again

[atomic zephyr]

oh, really? ill have to try it at some point i suppose

[serene sage]

it's just people don't bother to test the Boltgun dmr so the myth remains

[serene sage]

you need deadshot

[placid portal]

I hate how the gun jolts back into aiming position

[atomic zephyr]

oh god im terrible at using deadshot lmao

i always get caught out of position w/ no stamina and die

[serene sage]

the animation will sway but you can't fire during that time anyway
once the animation stops it's basically 0 recoil

[atomic zephyr]

i dont even use deadshot on my vraks 7 crit build even though i really should

[gaunt delta]

Why are we only limited to 5 builds?

[serene sage]

the technology isn't there yet

[versed merlin]

just waste all your perks in right tree so you can get that keystone node that recovers stam whenever you kill a enemy in ranged and swap to melee weapon

[atomic zephyr]

lmao

[serene sage]

okay I want that Remnant Challenger armor in Darktide

like that definitely fits in Darktide aesthetic

[sharp ember]

there is another path

a way to get more slots

[rugged goblet]

Have to try that out, I often have to give a few quick pokes at stuff between shots in qp

[serene sage]

not something vanilla players will teach you

[versed merlin]

why would you want more than 5 loadouts on vet anyway? lol

[serene sage]

it depends on how tryhard you are
let's say you have 3 loadouts, if im really try harding, I would have 2 variations of each

one for surivalist if teamdoesn't have any

[versed merlin]

ohh

[serene sage]

one for fire team/movement if there's another vet

[versed merlin]

fair

[nimble sentinel]

uj/ I want that too

[serene sage]

i love the "parry this you filthy casual" energy

[sharp ember]

SCAB GUNNA

[serene sage]

just deck me out in medieval armor and give me a big gun

[umbral scaffold]

Day 9 of farming my 380 Helbore mk1

Gotten a 379 with bad roles must repeat

[jade notch]

Godspeed, you madman 🫡

[serene sage]

godroll chasers be like

[umbral scaffold]

Used my 12k marks got low quality times

Founded a good 380 Bolter

God rolls

[serene sage]

i take like 10 minutes to craft a gun

[ornate remnant]

Thoughts on this Kantrael?

[umbral scaffold]

Change perks to flak damage

[serene sage]

nope, scrap for blessing

[trim hemlock]

Bad bad bad stopping power

[umbral scaffold]

And elites on kill

[umbral scaffold]

Nope don’t listen

[trim hemlock]

I’d just recover the HH blessing

[sharp ember]

by the throne not with that stopping power

that value actually will increase shots to kill on tougher enemies

[trim hemlock]

They can’t listen to us, all they can do is read

[serene sage]

look at those flak damage/maniac modifier and tell me it's okay to have 25% stopping power

[south garnet]

[plush jetty]

I have a right side skill tree question : for the perk Onslaught, do shotgun pellets count as "Continuous hits" or not ?

[trim hemlock]

Are these values w/ 25% SP in mind?

[sharp ember]

nope, only counts as 1 hit

[serene sage]

it's 0 to 80

[trim hemlock]

Mhm, I see

[serene sage]

still, stopping power is too important even if the scaling isn't linear (which I think it is? 🤔)

[sharp ember]

that 25% sp lasgun, according to the calculator, needs 5 headshots to kill a scab gunner

even with tier 4 flak

[tardy plaza]

I picked that voice for my male psyker, I like it

He's a cool dude

[sharp ember]

not accounting for talent trees effects, of course

[tardy plaza]

If the other 2 weren't literal psychopaths I might have picked another

[serene sage]

implying that there are non-psychopaths in this game universe

[atomic zephyr]

forget flashlight, this shit is a super soaker

[atomic zephyr]

i picked it for my female psyker because i like the accent lol

[sharp ember]

i accidentally deleted my prized 7% damage MG1a and I've regretted it ever since

now i have the weapon favoriting mod so that will never happen again

[serene sage]

there are so many QoL features that would make game better

like buy until rarity, mass sell

weapon favoriting

[nimble sentinel]

I spent thousands of dollars and uprooted my entire life to run away from that accent irl

[serene sage]

better inventory menu

[nimble sentinel]

/uj the voice ain't for me but I'm loving people being happy

[serene sage]

any one here playing Remnant 2?

[nimble sentinel]

literal flashlight

[ashen hollow]

Moral of the story even if you have 80 charge rate on plasma, 5 damage isn't a make or break lmao

[glacial peak]

74% loses you 30 damage or about a 5% damage node which is relevant

[delicate moat]

[serene sage]

how people managed these plasteel/dia ratio?

[delicate moat]

keep spending plasteel trying to craft shit, ran out of plasteel, repeat

[serene sage]

but I also craft and my ratio seems okay?

[empty creek]

pretty bad, the no stopping power is not good whatsoever

[midnight patrol]

Surgical and opening shot on a Vraks is a lot funnier than I expected.

[errant carbon]

Are you crafting everything up to orange?

[midnight patrol]

Was getting one hit kills on Damnation for chest shots on Maulers.

[serene sage]

yeah

buy grey craft to orange

[empty creek]

crafting costs a lot now which sucks

[delicate moat]

ah most of the time i dont need the t3/t4 blessing

[midnight patrol]

Headshots on a Plague Orgyn were chunking 2000 plus if I too time to 'charge up' like a Helbore

[errant carbon]

People tend to stop at Blue because while the chance for a T4 blessing is a little lower, the cost is significantly less. I don't have any math or code to back that up though

[delicate moat]

but then i upgrade to purple and 3/4 slots are bricked

[serene sage]

it was misinformation, allegedly

[midnight patrol]

Seems about right lmao

[errant carbon]

And because if you get to blue and both Perk and Blessing are bad, there is a very high chance for the item to be bricked if you upgrade further

[serene sage]

some dude made up some bogus code and people ate it up
they deleted the post and now everyone is saying to craft to blue but never post any sources

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[delicate moat]

i take it to purple, but usually 3/4 slots are bricked so...

[errant carbon]

It bears repeating that I hate this crafting system so goddammn much

[serene sage]

you usually just need like 1.5 slots being good no?
like 1 slot being BiS and the 0.5 being close enough?

then replace 2 and you have 3.5 slots being good which is great?

[delicate moat]

i get usually the stamina / sprint efficiency / poxwalker perks

[errant carbon]

Depends on weapon type, the random base stats on it, and the breakpoints. And if I'm going to grind for something why the hell can't I just have the thing

[serene sage]

I mean yeah, though for base stats it's Brunt gamble so Ordo is what's expensive

I spend like 1M Ordos for maybe 3-4 good tries

[delicate moat]

what, u dont like 80 mobility?

(along 20 dmg 10 finesse)

[serene sage]

but usually 3-4 good tries are enough for a decent Hadron chance

[errant carbon]

The very fact that items can be bricked (or whatever you want to call it, locked in to things you don't want) is a significant diminishment from Vermintide 2's system, for all its flaws

[glacial mist]

good or bait?

[hollow ibex]

bait

[glacial mist]

sadness

[errant carbon]

Who the fuck decided items having variable base stats was a good idea

[glacial mist]

looks so good tho

[hollow ibex]

stopping power isn't a dump stat 😦

[mystic belfry]

Crazy that they managed to downgrade their crafting from Vermintide

[glacial mist]

oof

[tardy plaza]

Same, the accent is dope.

[errant carbon]

And it happens every game: They make a grindy, heavily RNG-addled gear system that is met with overwhelming negative feedback. They walk it back partially in the months or years after launch, and then release the next game with a grindy and heavily RNG-addled gear system.

The problem with excess Diamantine is almost identical to excess Orange from VT2 but they just don't learn

[atomic zephyr]

you've gotta wonder if its entirely seperate teams disconnected from each other that're doing it

[stark hollow]

man imagine if we eventually get lucifer black cosmetics

[mystic belfry]

Oh they did learn

[atomic zephyr]

100,000 aquillas

[mystic belfry]

It’s a player retention thing

[stark hollow]

seems about right

[mystic belfry]

You want you crafting to be just barely bearable

[errant carbon]

The devs and artists do an amazing job, which is why these games succeed. Management pushes the bullshit because psychologists told them it's how you maximize whatever bullshit performance metrics, and MBAs aren't taught Goodhart's Law: Any metric that becomes a goal is no longer a valid metric.

[stark hollow]

what should i change on this?

[atomic zephyr]

TB -> Dumdum

wait is that a thing on the brauto

if not, deathspitter

[errant carbon]

And Infested to Maniac or Flak

[stark hollow]

or should i take fire frenz and stick on this gun

[atomic zephyr]

ehh, keep that one as is imo

[spice wadi]

the 21st century called they want their squad automatic weapon back

[atomic zephyr]

seems to cater to a different playstyle

[stark hollow]

yea i was thinking that

[errant carbon]

21st century squad automatics had 100+ rounds on tap. Also took an hour to reload though

[atomic zephyr]

its not one i would play but its definitely good for its role

[errant carbon]

Still wish the game had a proper LMG analogue for Vet

[rain badger]

Rashad with BM still viable or nah?

[atomic zephyr]

yes

i love my BM rashad

[errant carbon]

Still meta, if boring as hell IMHO

[atomic zephyr]

its boring but the thunk of carving through six heads at once goes so hard

[spice wadi]

wdym had

[errant carbon]

Spam light for trash, spam heavy for elite, it's the most efficient possible moveset but also the most simplistic

[spice wadi]

which year are you posting from

[atomic zephyr]

the 41st millenium?

[serene sage]

Simple is best.

[spice wadi]

time traveller proof

[stark hollow]

shame i dont think brauto can have dumdum

[atomic zephyr]

also, i dont like the song and dance i have to go through to make the mk6 psword work

would much rather use the axe or chainsword

or dclaw

[atomic zephyr]

deathspitter then

i have a FF/deathspitter agri brauto and its hilarious

[errant carbon]

I used to build characters (in games in general) to be as simple as possible while still being effective, the thinking being that complexity would make it harder to play and thus I would shit the bed when things got difficult or I got distracted. Which may be true but I just found it boring

[stark hollow]

nice. now not sure whether maniac or flak would do better

[rain badger]

Me too, but haven’t played much since BM change. Didn’t feel that great to me and went back to PS. I’m gonna try Rashad again later today.

[serene sage]

Yeah to each their own. I like playing "simpler" characters/builds and master the game through general gameplay I guess.

[atomic zephyr]

can always swap it freely

i would go maniac

agri brauto doesnt have issues chewing through enemies with flak armor, but muties will always be a problem

[serene sage]

I like making vanilla stuff shine. But I understand why others love flashier stuff.

[atomic zephyr]

you have to make sure to aim for the head, its not as braindead good as it used to be

[stark hollow]

ahh thanks

[atomic zephyr]

also im assuming you know this already so this is more of a general tip, but ADS with the brauto sucks

hipfire forever

[desert isle]

anyone got a decent plasmagun build

[atomic zephyr]

exe stance + focus fire

theres your build

[serene sage]

I think it's one of those guns you can literally do whatever you want

[desert isle]

real

[atomic zephyr]

yeah you can literally throw it on whatever you want

[ruby fulcrum]

If you crouch, stay still, and shoot in 2 or 3 round quick bursts it's pretty good.

[atomic zephyr]

i have it on a grenadier build with every single grenade talet + shredder frags

[atomic zephyr]

if i wanted to burst fire id use an IAG or HH

[ruby fulcrum]

Fair, but it works in a pinch on brauto

[atomic zephyr]

yeah fair i use it to snipe out annoying enemies

lol

[desert isle]

i was thinking of going right tree with a psword since the guaranteed crit and enhanced melee is pretty nice

[atomic zephyr]

yeah that works too lol

agile engagement

[desert isle]

yeah

what’re the ideal plasma blessings

gets hot and volatile?

[serene sage]

gets hot blaze away seem to be most popular

[desert isle]

ah ok

[serene sage]

allegedly volatile is bugged but you can run it still

if you don't want to bother

[glacial mist]

powersword for horde clear action right?

or was it chainsword

[serene sage]

Powersword is for everything

[desert isle]

i have a nice power cycler +2 so i was gonna use psword

[glacial mist]

right

[desert isle]

chainsword works nice too im sure

[glacial mist]

so which one

mk 3 or mk6

[desert isle]

mk3

[glacial mist]

thanks

[serene sage]

Horde? Yes
Specialists? Yes
Elites? Yes (Crushers can be 2 shotted btw)
Monstros? A bit shakier but yes.

Mk6 is more generalist

[desert isle]

chainsword with bleed is pretty good aswell i think

[soft hound]

What about the Mk6?

[desert isle]

more single target

or better for single target i should say

[serene sage]

Take the Mk6 if you can

[desert isle]

for horde i think itd mk3

[glacial mist]

is there a good gun for marksman focus

like just stand there and pew

[serene sage]

Vraks 7?

[glacial mist]

heavy laspistol maybe?

[glacial mist]

i dont think i've used that one but the burst autoguns i have used before are all like

busted

maybe i need em with higher stability or something

[delicate estuary]

melk almost had something useful

[desert isle]

plasmagun kekw

[delicate estuary]

but he decided to roll

impact blessings

unlucky I guess

[desert isle]

rngesus does not favour you

[serene sage]

It's a single shot rifle with really high Finesse damage

Otherwise Helbore is good

[glacial mist]

a semi auto?

[serene sage]

Or the Mg Series

[glacial mist]

huh

[spark helm]

The kantrael infantry line is great for kt.it

[glacial mist]

well i suppose as long as it's not burst fire

[spark helm]

Just about anything you can shoot that has a moderate rate of fire and better precision potential works very well with marksman focus.

[jaunty lantern]

Why is everyone dunking on burst-fire? In other shooters I really enjoy 3-round-burst guns

[midnight patrol]

I find it kinda funny when I'm able to keep up in ranged kills with an assail spam psyker. With a Vraks mk7.

[spark helm]

Although, any added utility that you'd want for defense will change dramatically depending on how much you invest in your ranged damage output.

[spark helm]

Wouldn't know. I don't use them mostly because I'm addicted to how the infantry lasgun family feels to play with. I also just tend to enjoy semi-auto carbines and combat rifles so /shrug.

The burst guns veterans have aren't something to scoff at though. They feel more ammo efficient even if they don't always have the same or better reserves or magazine capacity.

[ashen hollow]

So it's a percentage? I see

[midnight patrol]

Some of the super calculative autogun users prefer the burst fire headhunters due to how it interacts with a few blessings and talents

Me? I like Scout Rifles.

[glacial peak]

its not a flat % the amount of damage you lose is equilvalant to a 5% damage now

[midnight patrol]

Solid high impact head clicking adventure gives me neuron activation

[flat pebble]

the mk3 hh is fine, i use it on my zealot a lot. i think the vet gets more out of the 7 with the right build though

[spark helm]

Definitely prefer the full auto weapons on right tree

[ashen hollow]

Gotcha 👍

[spark helm]

I want to be mobile with weapons like those. Feels better than having to fight for a position where om higher difficulties, there's more dudes with guns that shoot fast compared to one veteran. That's just my common experience though in pubs.

[candid bridge]

For me it’s cause the recoil is dog water in this game for most of the guns imo and the 3 round burst weapons don’t feel good to use for me personally

[midnight patrol]

Very much so, but that's what you get for fatshark making the left tree all about glorious headclicking.

[flat pebble]

it’s the way it needs to be tbh

[midnight patrol]

Although with the same build you can do some funny one clicks on trash mobs in the chest.

[flat pebble]

a mid mk3 hh is way better than a mid mk7 but the mk7 has greater heights

[midnight patrol]

Also personally? It hurts to use so much ammo and stamina for a single 'shot' on the burst rifles

Deadshot is just a must if you run a crit build, which helps headhunters incredibly much

[flat pebble]

i’ve never had ammo problems with the mk3 on any class ime

but i wouldn’t bother running dead shot on the mk3 anyway

[errant carbon]

Compared to other games the bursts are very slow (especially the Agripinaa Mk9, with its very widely spaced two shots)

[spark helm]

I...cannot stand crit builds in this game. Mostly just because of how long it feels to actually set one up to be effective. Shit is annoying for me. And I hate the talent that burns stamina for crit chance. It's not even particularly bad, I'm just not going to be relying on it when on average I'm with people that aren't going to be reliable to coordinate with if I ever get singled out or something.

[flat pebble]

yeah deadshot is almost uniformly a non starter for me. i don’t want to trade stam for crits

[errant carbon]

I don't think I've ever read anyone recommend Deadshot, it seems it was just never worth it

[flat pebble]

it used to be more necessary pre surgical update

[spark helm]

It's easier to manage when you start messing more with stamina regeneration for it to be super stable but eh, all that for a yellow number when I'm effective without it? I'm fine.

Does feel good for the crits to be coming out though when it happens.

[errant carbon]

And of course it doesn't work well on high ROF weapons, and doesn't work at all on the Plasma Gun (despite its tooltip implying it does)

[serene sage]

I think crit overkills a lot and you pay for that extra overkill damage by flexibility and durability

Bruiser-ish builds are great

[glacial peak]

it depends on if you have a weapon that doesn't already have surgical on it

[serene sage]

You kill everything and most things can't kill you

[errant carbon]

The damage is nice but people are just as much after the on-crit effects e.g. Hand Cannon on revolver

[glacial peak]

like a shotgun with fullbore can benifit a lot from deadshot

[spark helm]

Yeah that's the operating logic and get that. Very sound for shutting down a lot of shit without needing to worry about if something is going to actually kill often tougher targets without using more limited resources (like a krak grenade or something)

[midnight patrol]

I mean, with deadshot I reliably get crits so often I dont think I've ever been not the top of the scoreboard for crits done. And with it, you can do some really amusing stuff like getting a headshot crit on maulers and crushers more often than not for just aiming for a second or so each time

Can be funny when you shoot a single boolet and you hear that crump. Crusher just goes plop.

[languid escarp]

lmao the hotfix didnt touch Bayonet bug?

[flat pebble]

glorious on purpose bayonet mechanics

[languid escarp]

blessed be

[spark helm]

Oh yeah that shit isn't a joke. Ironically a crit gun build for me would probably solve problems I often have with some ragers breaking through and blitzing straight to me anyway and stuff starts to fall apart.

That's where crit builds are particularly good for me specifically.

I'm not about to do all the labor of setting it up though on average unless I'm lucky as hell.

[flat pebble]

the other day i was doing the limbsplitter bayonet thing and the dead psyker was like “holy shit bayonet rocks” after they spectated me for a bit

my wave clear is attached to the end of my rifle’s barrel

[languid escarp]

I even bragged about the build but since my region is Asia all that came back to me was silence

[midnight patrol]

Oh? Fellow Asia region player .w.

[spark helm]

The fervent bayonet. So easily forgotten...

https://tenor.com/view/hands-fire-dark-souls-furtive-pygmy-gif-17526162

[flat pebble]

until you show the team how to ohk a mutant with your gun’s knife

[flat pebble]

is the bayonet the pygmy in this scenario

[spark helm]

Yes.

[flat pebble]

is mankind the descendent of bayonet

[spark helm]

Perhaps.

[flat pebble]

some things here worth ruminating on further

[spark helm]

I'm just a veteran. All that cosmic magic crap is for the higher ups. I just don't want to die in some nurgle sludge pit or something. Idk 40k

[serene sage]

Helbore bayo will probably get the axe next patch

Grenade Gauntlet died for less

[flat pebble]

so ironically the axe will get the axe next patch

bc limbsplitter blessing

[serene sage]

Which axe?

[flat pebble]

thanks gang i’ll be here all morning

[serene sage]

Axes are okay right now no?

Maybe tacaxe needs buffs actually

[spark helm]

(Head Canon that my veteran got clapped with sedition for shaving supplies to gangers connected with smuggler circles that mostly just tried to get people out of collapsing hive sectors. She just wanted the newer line of hive guides to have marginally better chances)

[flat pebble]

the limbsplitter blessing is what is making the bayonet so overbusted rn

[serene sage]

Oh huh

[flat pebble]

applies the extra power on literally every stab

[spark helm]

Like overcalculates it?

[flat pebble]

i mean as i understand it it’s adding 60% power to the stabs

[serene sage]

So it's a bug?

[flat pebble]

oh for sure

hand cannon esque

[serene sage]

Then yeah

RIP

I feel like bugs define the meta for this game lol

[flat pebble]

will still be good, it surprisingly ohks a lot of specialists on stab without the bug

[serene sage]

At this point it's a feature

[flat pebble]

for the people who play enough to define what is meta, they’re all bored and trying the weird busted shit, that’s my perspective

weird probably unintended interactions end up defining metas in games like league too

we’re all just monkeys trying to break our favorite games

[serene sage]

yeah, I saw a video/podcast somewhere of people trying to "classify" different types of players

(with varying success of course)

but it boils down to something like
you play games for new experiences, wacky stuff
you play games for self expressions
you play games for mastery

[spring cloud]

I play games to fill the void in my life and escape the thoughts of the unstoppable entropy of existence and how it will one day consume me rendering all my accomplishments to dust in the endless march of uncaring time.

[serene sage]

sir, this is Wendy's

[flat pebble]

i play games because it makes the monkey in my brain’s cymbals clap

[spring cloud]

Triple baconator combo, water for the drink, watching my waistline.

[serene sage]

I play games because it's fun to complete a difficult task that most people struggle.
I love clutching in QP lol.

half the times I die to trappers though

[gaunt delta]

I play games to feel powerful and save the world unlike my wage-slavery cubicle existence on this rapidly-warming planet

[flat pebble]

reminded me of a time a while ago when i was playing an auric damnation with someone who clearly brought their less good friend and at a moment when i was clutching with the other last guy in my team he was explaining my choices and why they were good choices in voip to his friend

that felt pretty good

[serene sage]

also one of the coolest neat thing I stumble upon in this game is the Mozambique technique with the Boltgun

you two shot body a rager (tap hipfire) to stagger and then one shot ADS headshot to kill

it's tacticool that way

[flat pebble]

u gotta open them up first

[serene sage]

works with Bulwarks too, but you need 5ish shots I think

[flat pebble]

make sure the final present gets where it needs to go

[serene sage]

one to open, two to body and two headshots?

[flat pebble]

is it one to open a bulwark shield? i always two burst them from the hip

[spring cloud]

Three bolts to kill one heretic? The Munitorum will have you flogged.

[serene sage]

one Bolter round is enough to open

[flat pebble]

it’s ok he found the ammo on the ground

[open oasis]

Thoughts on plasma for melee loadout? Charge shots seem to be good for staggering things for free hits, and tap fire seems okay for the occasional guardsman behind cover

[serene sage]

technically 2 rounds because you get 1 back 😄

[flat pebble]

or she or they idk it’s a mudkip pfp

[serene sage]

im a he 😄 but thanks for checking

[spring cloud]

Everyone is "them" or "dude" on the internet. Safest way.

[serene sage]

no grill on the Internet

[flat pebble]

truly i’m am a them though

[open oasis]

Alternatively, live in the 90s/00s

Men are boys, women are men, children are the FBI

[flat pebble]

i appreciate these guidelines for they benefit me specifically

[spring cloud]

I apply dude universally, also guy

[flat pebble]

i do the same with guy but it makes me feel weird sometimes when i notice i say it in a group of exclusively women

[serene sage]

Men and women don't matter.

You're all worthless under the eyes of the Inquisition

[flat pebble]

i got flack once for saying fellas to women because it’s a male term and i was like… isn’t it just short for fellows? is that gendered?

[spring cloud]

Everyone has a different opinion, it's a minefield

[serene sage]

the feminine form of fellas is felons.

just try it :3

[flat pebble]

this feels like a tweet from 2019

[spring cloud]

That why when a woman attempts to speak to me I assume a threat posture and scream. Only way to be safe.

[flat pebble]

i go samus ball form and roll off

[serene sage]

good thing women aren't real

never seen one

[flat pebble]

women are real because i remember the times i’ve embarrassed myself in front of them as i try to go to sleep

i cringe, therefore i am

[serene sage]

truly so relatable 😔

[spring cloud]

Gotta laugh at those moments

[flat pebble]

when you cultivate them it’s called improv comedy

[serene sage]

I was in a freshman in college, so a lil while ago.
Hit it off with a girl. We talked about random stuff and then international news came up.
She told me she's from Venezuela and that her country wasn't doing so well.
In my infinite wisdom, I said, "yeah I'm sorry. African countries usually struggle with civil wars right?"
She stopped dead in her track and said "you know Venezuela is in Latin America, right?" then walked the opposite way.
the thing is i passed AP History, ik where venezuela is

real.

[flat pebble]

shoulda been like latin is in rome idiot!!! as she walked away

[slender crown]

doin some testing, and hitting a flak rager with the 10% rending on melee does less than without it on a ps enhanced light but more to a non flak rager?

[spring cloud]

On one hand, geography fail.

On the other, to be fair ut doesn't look too different to me and I've been to Africa.

[serene sage]

when in doubt, double down????

[flat pebble]

exactly

you can’t embarrass me. only i can embarrass me

[serene sage]

My joke has a quota which is me and that was met.

[spring cloud]

I've seen a lot of things being fucky-wucky on damage calculations all over the place. If you can replicate it then report it to the forums.

Also, non flak are maniac armor, so that may change it

[slender crown]

but they are both considered armored no? so the 10% rending should work corrently for both id think

on further retesting

[serene sage]

are you hitting limbs by any chance?

[slender crown]

i cannot read numbers.

[spring cloud]

I don't know if maniac is considered an armor or if mitigation is calculated differently

[serene sage]

maniac is a type of armor

[south garnet]

I can't read

[slender crown]

its hit for 898 without it, i was reading it as 988

[serene sage]

the damage table is available if you inspect the weapon

maybe different modifiers there?

[spring cloud]

Damage table is flat I believe, don't think it accounts for anything in your build.

[finite imp]

what was the tiny update for

[spring cloud]

I could be wrong, haven't sat down to test all that much

[finite imp]

i hate when they update the game and don't say anything

[spring cloud]

Probably just hotfixes

[serene sage]

Tbf they did

[finite imp]

where at

[slender crown]

could also go to the FS forums

[finite imp]

is there like a news

[slender crown]

but that was on steam

[serene sage]

They posted it on the forum and Reddit and link at #📢news-bulletin

[finite imp]

oh okay gotcha ty

forgive me im getting older and this stuff is slowly starting to fall out of my grasp

hard to navigate steam sometimes

[slender crown]

is there smth wrong with using the FS forums :(

[finite imp]

look man

don't get me wrong

I adore this game

i play it daily

but the last thing I want to expose myself to is yet another branch of the wh40k community

[serene sage]

Not with FS particularly but with game forums in general

[finite imp]

this too

[spring cloud]

Fight me

[serene sage]

They are all so toxic

[spring cloud]

Fight me

[finite imp]

see? this is what i mean

right out the gate

[slender crown]

tbf ive never used a game forum untill darktide so i dont know muc abotu that

[serene sage]

No, you can go to the forum for that

[finite imp]

this man is writing PHYSICAL THREATS TO ME COPY PASTING IT INTO MY LAWSUIT

YOURE UNDER ARREST FOR THE DISCORD MESSAGE

90 million years in jail

[spring cloud]

I'll fight discord too

[serene sage]

Almost every game is like this. Forums are filled with angry people, 70% of which have severe skill issues but think they know more than they do.

[finite imp]

served in 8 real seconds via a brain wave emitter

[spark helm]

Definitely should kill the architect of that kind of tech.

That's foul as hell lmao

[finite imp]

You can tell this is true based on how polarizing the revolver is to people

[slender crown]

mm i see

[devout atlas]

hey is using the healthbars mod to see the health of every elite/special enemy a cheat

[finite imp]

either they think it sucks ass or it's OP

[slender crown]

how do we feel about this

[spring cloud]

The twist at the end of the movie is that you are the architect.

Dun dun dunnnnnnnn.

[spark helm]

eh, it's a hud mod. can't be something worth caring about.

[slender crown]

i was using this as a test to see if i could get some rager 2 shots with Psword

[finite imp]

There is no build better than one that suits your gameplay style

[devout atlas]

but morally speaking, isi ta cheat

[spark helm]

At that point, someone gettin worked. that's some successful mk ultra type shit lol

[slender crown]

:)

i like that answer

[spark helm]

if it works in your moral calculus as one, yes. If you could care less, like me, it's nothing that has a place or bearing on myself.

[finite imp]

i look at other builds for idea, but generally I run my own unique build thats based off my own experience and critical thinking

[serene sage]

Health bar does make the game easier.
Anyone saying otherwise is coping

[spark helm]

Having a health bar over an enemy is incredibly inconsequential.

[spring cloud]

No lol, you still have to hit them the same number of times to kill them

[finite imp]

when i go down in a match I think HMMM where did I fuck up and how can i compensate for that

[serene sage]

But if you use it idc tbh, not like suddenly you kill everything

[slender crown]

and honestly im happy with it aside from the usual vet problem of just needing one more point for it to be what i want it to be

[finite imp]

and i tweak my build accordingly

is my melee weapon not doing enough

is my gun too weak

[devout atlas]

I agree but I'm still gonna bully people for posting clips with 80 hp bars on their screen

[slender crown]

this is the first time ive actually sat down and looked at numbers and tested it in the grinder

[finite imp]

am i not supporting my teammates

[spark helm]

go nuts

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[serene sage]

It's good in like 5% of situations in helping to decide if you should run or fight

Especially in low mag

[finite imp]

You can follow any "meta" build you want but everyone and i mean EVERYONE plays differently. Make different decisions, has different target priority

[spark helm]

Helps you form decision-making you'd do in the long term either way so it's just assisted improvement at that point to me.

[finite imp]

following someone elses build kind of cripples you in a way

[spark helm]

Hell, wallhacks are a common staple in a lot of games rn. That shit been quintessential cheater boy activity.

[slender crown]

which is why im somewhat happy with it

[finite imp]

sure there's some mathematic and intrinsic law

[spark helm]

Not the same kind of conversation but you can kind of see where I'm going with it (I think?).

[finite imp]

like wtf are you doing not taking scavenger

[serene sage]

Yeah I'm not saying it's overtly powerful, I'm just saying technically it does make the game easier by a tiny bit

The same way I am using a rehud mod that moves my buffs to the middle

[finite imp]

the other 2 perks at that level are nothing compared to scavenger

[spark helm]

whatever else I'm doing that doesn't require it. Still turning out some of the same results of efficacy.

[finite imp]

especially if you're using a low ammo weapon

[serene sage]

So I don't have to strain my eyes accounting for buffs

[finite imp]

i like it because im not sucking down ammo that could go to my teamates

i can support my own ammo supply

[serene sage]

Melee vets don't need ammo

Hybrid vets don't need Survivalist if the team can share (big if though)

[atomic siren]

should you stack more toughness or health on curios as a vet?

[finite imp]

okay lemme know how that sniper fight goes

you're being silly if you never pull out your gun

[spark helm]

It's a strong aura because, yes, it is fluidly a good thing in a game like this in the same way certain weapon perks and talents did the same in vt2. You're not going to get away from that fact. There are definitely, though, plenty of builds that forgo this, still are effective, and aren't really going to be doing anything to mess with team ammo economies.

[finite imp]

Well at least that means they won't need to nerf it

[serene sage]

You aren't spending your entire ammo reserve killing snipers I hope 💀

Also frag nade kills sniper

[brisk umbra]

Honestly, they should just remove Scavanger at that point

[finite imp]

i sit in a corner with my eyes closed hipfireing at them with a CIAG why do you ask

[brisk umbra]

So i don't tilt at every single Veteran that isn't running it

[slender crown]

yea honestly, its painful not taking survivalist bc its just sooo good, but ive had so many builds i want to do that if i take survivalist i just cant get what i want bc it takes too much to get to what i want that way

[atomic zephyr]

krak nade the sniper

[spark helm]

It's one of those things that I keep saying but again, the default veteran setup before leveling is due to the class being a cornerstone of the games' design space. You're not going to ever have a case where scavenger is bad because it's tethered to an aspect of the game that's core to a positive thing to have. In order for it to be nerfed sufficiently enough, it'd have to be outright destroyed with its output OR the game would need to restructured in a way where the position of that aura is heavily challenged that it's not worth even struggling with.

[finite imp]

i like that the justification is killing the sniper enemies in the most round about ways lol

just say you use your gun bro its ok

[serene sage]

I will take 10% Fire Team or Close and Kill

[brisk umbra]

I honestly don't believe they can even nerf Survivalist, unless they make it so bad to the point where they should just remove it

[serene sage]

Over Survivalist

[finite imp]

Or OR how about buff the other ones???

like wahy

[spark helm]

If it could still pull it off then that continues to show how strong the class is you know? lol

[finite imp]

make the other ones not suck??

[spark helm]

The other ones really don't.

[finite imp]

most of the community disagrees lol

[spark helm]

You might be honing in on a single approahc to the game.

[serene sage]

Tbf 5% damage team is really strong if on other classes

[brisk umbra]

Honestly, they should buff the damage so high to make it competitive it's not really an option

[slender crown]

buffing the other ones wont ever bring them up to survivalist i dont think

[serene sage]

Psykers get 4% crit lmao

[spark helm]

and I don't care what this community has to say what sucks, no disrespect.

[finite imp]

HOW

FUCKING

DARE YOU

[spark helm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-i-quit-angry-table-flip-studying-gif-4905184

CHRISTMAS IS OVER

[slender crown]

IST NOT EVEN CHRISTMAS YET

[serene sage]

EXACTLY

[candid bridge]

Mariah Carrey is officially done

[spark helm]

most of the community is less than mediocre at the game and wants changing to adapt to that medicority. Tat's not to say that being "bad" means you get no meaningful thoughts. More so just...bro you getting clapped in t3 complaining about changes that only matter for higher content (naked example from older convos I've lurked and all that).

[finite imp]

MICHEAL BUBLE YOURE NEXT

[finite imp]

You're right the devs should appeal to the top 10% of the game that will go over well lol

[spark helm]

no patch is going to make up for significant player issues that have nothing to do with things like accessibility or disabilities and the like

[spark helm]

I'll assume you're being sarcastic because you'd be able to read the rest of what I said.

[serene sage]

We had a T4, sometimes T5 player, saying just "play better and git gud" to Auric Maelstrom players in this server lmao

[finite imp]

imagine if the devs dropped a patch and was like "we didnt change nothing yall just suck eggs"

[spark helm]

no game dev should ever create game states that are solely centered on that experience.

[serene sage]

when confronted with the fact that he's talking to T5+ players he called them no lifers

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[finite imp]

i don't recall saying that

in fact I think i opened with the fact i said I play this everyday

[serene sage]

guilty conscience I see 😄

[finite imp]

i play T5+ and nothing but

[serene sage]

it wasn't you lmao

[finite imp]

oh gotcha

[spark helm]

but you really do have people, that play at higher levels, that have horrible ideas because it comes down to something they're lacking fundamentally that they just refuse to think anything else.

And when you see them play and what takes them out.

um...

it's uh.

[candid bridge]

Sunrise we all know you play tier 1

[spark helm]

literally the most light work shit that has nothing to do with the game being arranged poorly. bro literally doesn't know how to manage shoves and swings and is bitching about whatever the fuck in the discord or something.

[serene sage]

some playtesters are very opinionated, but you can't say that out loud

[finite imp]

well you got mf's playing solo aurtic maelstrom and trying to make balance suggestions like WHAT

[serene sage]

because they can't do no wrong

[finite imp]

t1 is literally harder than t5+ and ill die on that hill

[spark helm]

They're whatever in the minority that don't really have that kind of representative sway in reality.

[finite imp]

bad team mates will fuck EVERYTHING up

[spark helm]

Like, they really don't matter like that tbh.

[serene sage]

like some Ogryn playtester thinks vets take no skills

but now look at Ogryn kickback

[finite imp]

and thank god for that

[slender crown]

when it comes to dealing with ragers, i already have maniac (even tho its only 20%) would it be better for dmg to elites or flak?

[finite imp]

The fact that maniac is pretty much paramount on every single weapon is a testament that they need to be tweaked

[ebon umbra]

anyone know much about the weapons specialist plasma glitch? cant find any info on it but ive heard it like 3 times

[finite imp]

in which direction im not sure

[spark helm]

I'm not going for any disrespect at all here: you need to consider how developers actually make their decisions by understanding methods, patch plans, etc.

[finite imp]

Hell no I ain't no dev

I am going to throw shit at a wall and sit on my rocking chair and shout at youngsters

sip my lemonade MMM

[slender crown]

but why is this? i feel people only do it for ragers bc they (in my opinion) are the only maniac that truley matters

[finite imp]

i need some lemonade

[spark helm]

There's a lot more to how these things play out than essentially memespeak. Not saying that's what you're doing, but that's how a lot of discourse is steered. People really don't know how some things work then run with that as their sole metric for understanding anything relevant to the situation and conversation.

[finite imp]

its mostly to do with the INSANE rager spam you can sometimes get

[ebon umbra]

games shouldnt be balanced for the 1%

[serene sage]

one shotting or two shotting mutants are also nice, especially on mutant train modifiers

[spark helm]

They aren't.

[finite imp]

look I don't need to be a chef to know the soup sucks

[spark helm]

Literally just about no game has balance patches designed around the highest performing playerbase.

[slender crown]

i agree with this beacuse the fun of oneshotting them but i never really see mutants as that much of a risk

[finite imp]

all im saying is there needs to be more balancing at the end of the day

[spark helm]

Games that do that...are very niche at that point

[slender crown]

if ragers did not exist i dont think id take maniac dmg bc i think mutants are such a non issue

[flat pebble]

incredibly such a late response but it is a good visual indicator of packs in dark areas. i only have health bars on elites and specialists and when i see a hallway far away light up with health bars that’s incredibly relevant info lol

[serene sage]

well the thing is almost all balance proposals are done by playtesters who are the top playerbase

[ebon umbra]

games with like 1k-5k playerbase do this kinda well sometimes ngl

[finite imp]

and the fact the meta is so skewed towards certain things like scavenger and maniac damage is an indicator of that

[sharp hornet]

you are kidding me

[slender crown]

and flamers are weak enough that i dont think they warrent an entire perk for them

[serene sage]

so at least for Darktide there is a minority with a lot of sways

aka playtesters

[tall torrent]

Just got a good Graia IAG bricked by hadron

[spark helm]

Scavenger literally just a standalone very strong aura. The meta wouldn't discredit it because it's literally just a safe option.

[serene sage]

literally just another Tuesday

[spark helm]

i don't know how else to explain that

it's just that straightforward

[ebon umbra]

i dont mind maniac perk spam atm. game is already complicated enough

[candid bridge]

I’d like to see a stat of just how much of the community runs t5

[finite imp]

and im telling you I play less effectively with it than without it. and alot of people are the same

[ebon umbra]

give people simple things to hook on to less hour players

[finite imp]

without it than with it*

[flat pebble]

we need crab to come back and rework the flamer