veteran-class

[delicate estuary]

"backline"

[bitter turtle]

lol

overwatch is really good

so is the damage buff

so is the aggro buff

they're all things you really want to make it competitive vs voc

[delicate estuary]

inb4 voc gets 2 more points that people have to invest into

[astral blade]

Low profile in of itself is amazing

[humble meteor]

voc now only buffs yourself + 2 talents for range and extra toughness

[delicate estuary]

@bitter turtle "added point for staggering monstrosities", "added point for staggering humanoid enemies" ,added point for staggering ogryn type enemies"

[astral blade]

Ya don’t need the extra toughness reduction

[bitter turtle]

thbat'

is unironically

what exec stance and infiltrate have to deal with lmao

[humble meteor]

all exclusive too

[bitter turtle]

they should just collapse a lot of those extra talents into the base skill for infil/exec

[astral blade]

That be nice

[delicate estuary]

I think the extension of exe stance should be built in

[bitter turtle]

also it doesn

't help

that a lot of builds have to go towards VoC anyway

because grenade regen is by far the best talent on that line

so you're like

forced to go into the VoC part of the tree ANYWAY lol

there's so many things stacked against infiltrate outside of its actual utility as a skill its ridiculous

[astral blade]

Nade regen I agree is the best talent

Never hurts to bring field improv

Give ya teammates nades as well

[bitter turtle]

i dont take field improv unless i really have a stray point laying around

feels meh with how they reduced crate/medpack

[humble meteor]

wdym stun immunity and stamina on breaking toughness is busted

[bitter turtle]

stun immunity and stamina is on a different line than grenade regen in the first place so lol

the competition against grenade regen is

+1 grenade
+revive speed
field improv
kill zone
opening salvo
and the best talent in the game, TWINNING BLAST

[delicate estuary]

this is the biggest issue. Zealot/Ogryn nades are far superior to vet's so I would rather have teammates take them than me

[astral blade]

Stun immunity and stamina on toughness breaking I’ll pass thanks

I’ll take catch a breath over that crap

[delicate estuary]

catch a breath

activates once in a blue moon

with the density changes

[humble meteor]

twinning blast lmao

[bitter turtle]

its ok if you use it as a radar

[humble meteor]

20% more grenades must b good right

[bitter turtle]

to check for enemies behind you

[delicate estuary]

dunno just look behind you occasionally

if it was 4 meters instead of 8

I would value it

but there is no value with 8 currently

in my eyes at least

[bitter turtle]

i agree its mediocre at best

[astral blade]

Dis^ but tbh most of the enemies are dead before they get within 8 meters of me

[bitter turtle]

but both of those talents are pretty mediocre at best

[delicate estuary]

someone enjoys magdumping hordes

[bitter turtle]

so it's just a questoin of what flavor of mediocrity you like lul

[astral blade]

Guilty

[delicate estuary]

like you kill the elites that spawn behind you and melee the rest

there is ahorde in front

you get like no value out of the catch a breath

if there is no enemies nearby you wont need the toughness regen

if there are enemies around you wont get the talent activation

so I dont get the point of picking it over the other one

[astral blade]

If ya don’t see the point than I do pity you

[delicate estuary]

only usage point I can see is against gunners but ET is enough to compensate for that

[nimble sentinel]

idunno, Get Back Into the Fight has a 30s cooldown and all it really does is stamina and stun immunity

both kinda suck, depends on the falvour of suck

[delicate estuary]

pretty decent for ragers or if you catch a straight flame or nade and you are out of stamina due to deadshot

has been useful for me at least

[astral blade]

Imma be real here catch a breath is just basically the loner aura

[delicate estuary]

except loner aura is more consistent

[humble meteor]

its alright but its no grenade regen tbh

[nimble sentinel]

the price we pay for having better gunplay on paper

[delicate estuary]

I would like to hear the scenario where catch a breath is useful

that is not gunners

[astral blade]

When ya by spilt off from the team as a stealth vet

To go deal with enemies or some shit

[nimble sentinel]

stealth autofills toughness

[delicate estuary]

ok you are split off the team so you have the occasional random shitter hanging around, you will never approach ragers in melee and the special spawns

you probably already run confirmed kill

[astral blade]

True but when stealth is on cd it’s a good back up

[delicate estuary]

so at what point do you need toughness regen

[nimble sentinel]

fair

[livid fractal]

can i get a talent build for psword plasmagun

[delicate estuary]

you surely wont split from the team during a horde

[nimble sentinel]

my rationale, I need semi-consistent toughness regen more than I need stamina and stun immunity every 30+ seconds

but they both kinda suck

[astral blade]

Actually I would to deal with something of higher priority

Like snipers

[humble meteor]

vet has so many ways to refill toughness already tho

[astral blade]

Or a trapper

[humble meteor]

the stam is nice sometimes

[delicate estuary]

yea but you still would be within 8 meters of an enemy

[astral blade]

Those are just examples

[livid fractal]

oh btw hows the Kant XII now?

it was kinda mid pre patch

[nimble sentinel]

I'm a degenerate lasgun horde dumper tho, I'm often 8m away\

[delicate estuary]

yea but the scenarios when you are 8m away are very simple

eitehr there is a horde

in which case your talent doesnt work

or there isnt a horde in which case you dont need it

[nimble sentinel]

or I'm moving from one horde to another and generate more toughness on the way

[astral blade]

Good lord bud you are definitely dumber than an ogryn

[nimble sentinel]

or, yeah, dealing with shooters

I just need 1 toughness to negate their damage

[astral blade]

Dis

[delicate estuary]

ET is not enough for you ?

you gain like 15% toughness back per headshot

[timid otter]

This is kinda a question of which bad talent is slightly less bad.

[delicate estuary]

yes

[nimble sentinel]

sometimes auric damnation gets crazy with the gunners

[livid fractal]

how do standard pattern lasguns feel rn? and is the Kantrael XII still best?

[delicate estuary]

dunno again its a weird situation where I have never been in a situation where gunners or shooters have caused me issues

[astral blade]

Gunners in general are just a pain in the ass to deal with

Hence why priority number 1 for allot of us vets

[delicate estuary]

they just die to a single headshot with my mk12 and call it a day

[nimble sentinel]

12 is still good, 1a surpasses it though, and the 4 is very fun and a decent replacement for the recon nerfs

[livid fractal]

aw did accatran pattern get nerfed?

thats depressing

[delicate estuary]

Like I fail to see how gunners cause issues to vets

[bitter turtle]

you mean recon?

its shit now

[nimble sentinel]

damage was always meh, rending perks got a boot worthy of a plague marine, and crits are dead

[livid fractal]

yeah recon las

[nimble sentinel]

it is depressing

[livid fractal]

i usually refer to em as accatran/kantrael/lucius

[astral blade]

Anyways the person who made this comment is dumber than an ogryn^

[delicate estuary]

I will just say you are experiencing a skill issue and call it a day

[nimble sentinel]

it is absolutely a weird scenario, albeit one that is not entirely impossible

[livid fractal]

i have a few vet questions, havent touched em since patch 13
1: What are my autogun options? I really liked vraaks auto
2: III or IV Powersword?
3: Kant 1a is better now? why's that?

[astral blade]

Is that always the go to insult how childish

[bitter turtle]

im going to have to agree

that gunners should not cause vet problems

i mean its the gun class

the only way you have trouble with gunners

is if you get outgunned

[delicate estuary]

Well if you dont want childish attitude don't provide one in the first place

[nimble sentinel]

1. Columnus is meta, Graia? (middle of the pack one) is also good if your recoil management isn't great
   Two) 3 has tech, 6 is unga bunga, I hate both
   C. It hits the same break points as the 12, with a faster fire rate

[astral blade]

Gunners are in general are high priority if left alone they will tear apart a team

[livid fractal]

what about agri braced and vraaks headhunter autos?

[bitter turtle]

how to stop gunners:

[livid fractal]

did they get gutted or smthn

[bitter turtle]

press spacebar left and right

[delicate estuary]

shoot head

[bitter turtle]

alternatively

slide

[nimble sentinel]

Still based

[bitter turtle]

they are not in fact prio #1 for me

if there's a few gunners

and a few ragers running at me

i kill the ragers 1st

[livid fractal]

i wanna try the single shot vraaks headhunter

[delicate estuary]

its good just requires you to go for heads only

[livid fractal]

ah ok

[young sequoia]

ppl run agri brauto, but i haven't seen any headhunters

[bitter turtle]

and i still play vraks7 in auric mael

[humble meteor]

does crazy damage if u can click heads

[bitter turtle]

its very good

its only weakness is carapace

so have a way to deal with them

[livid fractal]

Vraks 7 is single shot?

[bitter turtle]

yes

[astral blade]

ugh I guess I retract my statement and give up on you lot

[livid fractal]

also usual my go-to carapace is krak

[bitter turtle]

i mean idk

im not trying to be a dick

just am i wrong

[livid fractal]

0 reason to run any other grenade

[bitter turtle]

lets say there are 3 gunners shooting at you

and 3 ragers

running at you

im definitely killing the ragers 1st idk about you

[delicate estuary]

not sure about that I remember testing it and its decent with marksman focus keystone

[bitter turtle]

while sliding/spacebar dodging to avoid gunner shot

[livid fractal]

krak grenades are just so fucked i see absolutely zero use for frag and smokes

[astral blade]

I’m talking about a patrol of gunners

[bitter turtle]

as long as you have stam the gunners arent a problem

[nimble sentinel]

bruh you swung first

[humble meteor]

gunners only an issue if u dont have mobs to regen toughness off

[bitter turtle]

ok but like then you're saying gunners take prio over generic mobs

which i mean

yeah i guess

[humble meteor]

gunner pack by themselves will shred a team sure

[young sequoia]

they got nerfed a lil T-T still good tho ofc

[bitter turtle]

prett ysure just about literally anything takes prio over generic mobs

[delicate moat]

okay bayonet stabby stabby is stupidly fun

[bitter turtle]

prio #1 actually is bombers for me

and flamers

[livid fractal]

still they 1 tap basically everything

[bitter turtle]

always

over trappers even

[pastel lark]

thats something you can do 1 on 1 or 2 on 1

[delicate moat]

thamks to whoever discovered bayonet stabby stabby

[bitter turtle]

the space denial they inflict costs games

unlmess we're like really super in the open i guess

[polar pagoda]

stabby stab? Whats so good about it?

[nimble sentinel]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spear

[pastel lark]

if you more than 4 gunners shooting you have 0 chance in dodging,sliding or anything else
shooting them is a hassle sometiems if they alternate fire

[delicate moat]

i cant aim for shit with the helbore as a gun, but i can aim with the bayonet

[astral blade]

I’ll give you that Flamers and bombers are generally the bigger problem in terms of denying movement

[delicate moat]

[livid fractal]

is Damnation or AHeresy harder

[pastel lark]

generarly thats whats the best

[delicate moat]

heresy thanks to teammates

[bitter turtle]

yet another person

who doesnt know game mechanics

just so you know

you are literally

bulle t immune

while sprinting perpendicular to gunshots

[astral blade]

But I’ve ran into more groups being wiped from gunners than I have by flammers or bombers

[bitter turtle]

or sliding

[livid fractal]

fuck it 4shock

lets try it

[bitter turtle]

like if you dont believe

ill record it

lul

[livid fractal]

bullgryn is basically unkillable so

[wheat violet]

Do it then

[delicate moat]

bombers/flamers kill more often in my experience

[humble meteor]

not my experience at all

[nimble sentinel]

Teammates fighting over the braincell make me have to kill the flamers, which makes me ignore the gunners, which kills them, and leaves me to get smashed by the ragers

[wheat violet]

That dot giving you stamina for dodging enemy fire by sprinting does not exist?

[astral blade]

Anyways I’ve said my statement and I’ll die on this hill gunners take highest highest priority for me as a stealth vet

[bitter turtle]

you dont even nee dthat

lol

[astral blade]

Now good day

[bitter turtle]

er misquote

my vid i dont even have duck and dive lol

sec

its uploading

[pastel lark]

immune never... the bullets miss as they aim and shoot at your previous location, if you slide in a sequence they will start to aim to your level, dodging and sliding is not GUARNDTEED to dodge

[bitter turtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9WKsyMxasI

it is 100% guaranteed

its not even a matter of avoiding bullets

you are more accurately in a bullet immune state

i spawned

[astral blade]

@delicate estuary FUCK YOU and your opinion

[bitter turtle]

like literally 30 gunners in that vid

ther eis no way they are all missing lol

[astral blade]

Good day fellas

[delicate moat]

maybe its because of how ur teammates play if they stand in the fking open... otherwise bombers/flamers/trappers should have significantly higher target priority

[timid otter]

That has to do with vertical runnimg

[delicate estuary]

trully based

[timid otter]

Not sliding

[delicate estuary]

but I agree

[bitter turtle]

i slid

in the video

you fool

watch the whole thing

[nimble sentinel]

man's gotta go drink some water wit hthat high salt content\

[bitter turtle]

multiple times

[wheat violet]

cD

[bitter turtle]

im just showing how it works

its just a bullet immune state

sliding and sprinting both do it

[delicate moat]

but the real issue is not bhopping like phoon

[delicate estuary]

^^

you know what would fix gunner swarms @bitter turtle SMOKE GRENADES. SMOKE LONG

[astral blade]

Oceana servers what can you expect plus trolls on this damn server don’t help

[wheat violet]

Yeah but there is no subway surfer on the side to help them keep attention on the video

[bitter turtle]

omg smoke opee

[delicate estuary]

you know it @delicate moat knows it I know it

[timid otter]

Run at them straight while sliding…

[delicate moat]

bullets can't hit you if you bhop from ivy, out mid, through our connector

[timid otter]

Show us how well the slide works…

[nimble sentinel]

my brothers and sisters in the Emperor, do not sleep on smokes

[bitter turtle]

sliding is bullet immune even while approaching

though sprinting isnt

[nimble sentinel]

there are legends among us that save runs with their tactical zaza

[bitter turtle]

you have to do a roughly perpendicular sprint if you want to sprint dodged

[delicate estuary]

nade regen, field improv and chance to throw an additional nade when you run smokes for ultimate ventilation purge

that way you dont have to deal with gunners

😎

[scarlet smelt]

Why would you want double smokes

[delicate estuary]

why not

[delicate moat]

mandatory link: https://youtu.be/SNvDUO42Hys?si=0dbXw3k2NR6VetW5

[delicate estuary]

imagine doing this in DT and at the same time throwing smoke nades

[scarlet smelt]

Smokes would be my favorite grenade were it not for the fact that all my failures have been mass crusher mauler bulwark rushes

[scarlet smelt]

Understandable, praise the emperor.

[humble meteor]

just bhop behind them

[delicate estuary]

smoke the crushers go inflitrate with -90% threat and then watch them go through your smoke into your psyker and send said psyker to ram ranch

[bitter turtle]

in case someone wants to deny that sliding is bullet immune regardless of direction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az5qP2ooKNQ

[delicate moat]

i just want fatshark to accidentally introduce bhop for one patch

[bitter turtle]

though i will agree that trying to slide AT 20 gunners is probably not the best idea since you're still vulnerable post slide

lul

[nimble sentinel]

18 NAKED COWBOYS IN THE SHOWERS AT—

[delicate estuary]

you are using the word wording

you are not bullet immune

as you clearly take damage

you just dont get pushed around

[bitter turtle]

i only took dmg after the slide ended

which is why i dont suggest doing that to more than one or two gunners if you're trying to take them out

since unlike the sideways slide you cant easily link into a sprint to keep dodging

[scarlet smelt]

Real commissar chads walk forward slowly at gunners with a laspistol that has Ghost 4

[bitter turtle]

so if there are like 30 gunners you're sliding at you just eat shit after your 1 second of immunity

[delicate estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/petty-parker-smoke-snoop-dogg-homer-simpson-disappear-gif-17093677

[humble meteor]

tap strafing across the map

[simple crest]

Remind me what ghost does again

[bitter turtle]

bullet immunity on weakpoint hit

[scarlet smelt]

1.2 sec of immune to ranged damage on weak spot hit at tier 4

Very easily spammable on a laspistol

And I imagine other weapons with a similar/superior fire rate with the blessing

Viability? Fuck if I know but it’s funny and it can break up a firing squad

[delicate estuary]

does ghost make you immune to stinky sniper shots

[scarlet smelt]

Ogryn accidentally demoknight trimps with slab shield

[scarlet smelt]

I’d imagine so

[bitter turtle]

👻 > 🔫

[scarlet smelt]

No ogryn no problem

[nimble sentinel]

I'm gonna run a ghost laspistol build after work

[scarlet smelt]

Simply get all the aggro by being first into the fire

Commissar lead by example.mp5

[delicate estuary]

get all aggro throw smoke at feet go inflitrate with -90% threat send all crushers to team sit back and take a puff from your cigar

and they said PVP is impossible

[young sequoia]

hit a few barrels on your way there

[scarlet smelt]

Barrel on the bridge of martyrs

[delicate estuary]

smoke said barrels after hitting them

[humble meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-about-it-apex-legends-superglide-superglide-gif-24497301

just imagine

[scarlet smelt]

How can a veteran kite a daemonhost?

Knife or smth I know but I still struggle to see actual hurt boxes to dodge

[young sequoia]

run around an object

[scarlet smelt]

Something something rager with the range of a pike sort of shit

[delicate estuary]

its still dumb how you are supposed to run around an object for the DH

[scarlet smelt]

Worst case scenario you have nothing to dodge around, what do

Oh there’s no option huh

[delicate estuary]

such garbage design

[scarlet smelt]

Is it actually not possible for a veteran even with knife cheese

[simple crest]

Just accept fate and overload your plasma gun

[nimble sentinel]

this person Imperiums

[delicate estuary]

ogryn has the most consistent way of dealing with a DH atm

and its not the shield necessarily

[scarlet smelt]

I saw the video

[delicate estuary]

bully club special attack slaps can perma stagger the DH into submission

[scarlet smelt]

Funny punch

[delicate estuary]

and then ripper gun

can take it down to almost half HP before the hoe even wakes up

[scarlet smelt]

That’s aggravating

[wheat violet]

Zealot with Hammer 1-2 shotting them

[scarlet smelt]

Oh well

[delicate estuary]

yea zealot with hammer as well I forgor

[humble meteor]

funny big bonk

[delicate estuary]

can probably do it with knife as well cause zealot has funny movement speed

[scarlet smelt]

I’ll just be sure to yell at teammates who wake it and die louder

[young sequoia]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/00B8UYmGyh

[scarlet smelt]

(/s)

[wheat violet]

The holy icon also pushes him

[delicate estuary]

yea holy icon is a 40 second ability

or some shit

[simple crest]

Does psykers have anything against DH as well?

[humble meteor]

they nerfed the push to every other wave i think so bit harder to shove dh off a cliff

[humble meteor]

duelling sword could kite forever if you're good i guess

[scarlet smelt]

Wait a minute

[humble meteor]

or block with the peril talent

[nimble sentinel]

afaik las pistol is literally their highest damaging weapon on monstrosities

[wheat violet]

You can make yourself explode before he kills you

[scarlet smelt]

If you shout someone up right as they go down from daemonhost

Will they be able to be bait for longer

[delicate estuary]

ok I was not aware the attacks were directional I thought they were sweeps

[humble meteor]

i think they just drop dead anyway

[delicate estuary]

good to know

[young sequoia]

the Dodge talent helps

[scarlet smelt]

What the fuck did I just watch

[delicate estuary]

perfect dodgin

[young sequoia]

he gets hit a couple times, but ogryn toughness regen op

[scarlet smelt]

[delicate estuary]

one or 2 hits are fine

for the most part that was clean

I thought the attacks were sweeps

not like "directional"

[scarlet smelt]

I need to study this

[young sequoia]

same

[scarlet smelt]

Are those

[young sequoia]

I've been meaning to practice in the pyskanium

[scarlet smelt]

Dodges or just normal fucking ogryn strafes

[simple crest]

What's the difference between dodge and strafe?

[young sequoia]

you can see his dodge counter at the center

[delicate estuary]

those are dodges

[scarlet smelt]

I should get that mod.

[young sequoia]

strafe meaning walking side to side

[scarlet smelt]

Walking sideways vs actually dodging

[young sequoia]

jinx

[simple crest]

Ah

[young sequoia]

you owe me aqualis

[wheat violet]

Are ya going to share that pizza with the rest of us?

[delicate estuary]

actually appreciate that clip, kinda motivates to learn the pattern now since until now I thought it was not possible to dodge consistently

[wheat violet]

Also wow so many furries in here.

[young sequoia]

hewwo

[wheat violet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/999047389082046487/1060611263727665213/arknights-skadi.gif

[simple crest]

Bruh the amount of people that have been asking me for pizza cause of my pfp is unreal

[wheat violet]

What did you expect to happen?

You know what they say

Sharing is caring

Anyway

[young sequoia]

[wheat violet]

Why do people ignore scriptures?

[simple crest]

Pay me then I'll give pizza

[wheat violet]

There was a guy with lvl 30 (+356) that just refused to pick one up

[humble meteor]

rewards are relatively tiny for the hassle

[wheat violet]

It was a rank 3 mission

[young sequoia]

lots of ppl ignore pings and loot in general, too

[simple crest]

I ignore them cause I can never actually find any

[wheat violet]

Book finder is a great mod.

[young sequoia]

HERETIC CHEATER I'm trying zola

[wheat violet]

Sush and you will get more headpats

[simple crest]

People who ignore plasteel are the worst

[young sequoia]

[wheat violet]

It was me and a ogryn each already holding a scripture, standing next to the third one pinging it.

Yet the zealot just ran past

[young sequoia]

I've seen ppl say the don't bother cuz they know someone else will LOL

[wheat violet]

A zealot of all the people

Ignores the holy text

[young sequoia]

zealots have perma zoomies

[humble meteor]

the empty slot has more value

[wheat violet]

Hehe

[delicate estuary]

I just make them wait

at the elevator

or airlock

till I am done looting

[simple crest]

If someone did that then I'd shoot barrels next to them

[wheat violet]

Tho imagine if holding a scripture would remove the corruption slowly

[humble meteor]

i used to think using scriptures would get rid of corruption

[simple crest]

That would be super cool but we already got that as a talent for zealot

[livid fractal]

can i get a veteran squad leader build

i love support classes

[wheat violet]

Granadier build is fun

[young sequoia]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa480b8-1442-415c-93fc-fec1bdc20b42/veterinarian-3

[wheat violet]

Could change a dot now and there to make it into a support build

[livid fractal]

ew frag

[young sequoia]

this is my build

[delicate estuary]

🤮

[young sequoia]

LOL

[delicate estuary]

sorry homie you gotta hunt the green circles

[young sequoia]

only cuz points are tight

[delicate estuary]

what you doing here with support team memes

how can you support a team that is dead :

[livid fractal]

yeah it seems like vet got hit hard by the capstone stuff

[delicate estuary]

jk run what you want just wanted to meme that a bit

[livid fractal]

made it really hard to actually make a build with some variance to it

[delicate estuary]

what do you mean vet has like 20 extra nodes over the other classes

[livid fractal]

whereas with preacher i just casually grab like half the tree

[delicate estuary]

[humble meteor]

vet mains never recovered from losing permanent 70% toughness reduction

[livid fractal]

tbf the vet capstones are kinda mid

oh what are optimal blessings for rashad and kant 1a?

i kinda dislike how hard u have to commit to a single tree on vet

[delicate estuary]

cant wait when its gonna be the ogryn's turn

homie chilling with infinite toughness

zealot tree is probably the most well designed followed by ogryn , psyker and lastly vet

[simple crest]

You don't even get enough points to fully max out a single tree even....

[livid fractal]

ogryn is gonna get fucking gutted im sure of it

[young sequoia]

brutal momentum and decimator for rashad

[livid fractal]

i love ogryn but bullgryn is so insanely broken

[rose drum]

Is brutal momentum still good?

[livid fractal]

if i'm on bullgryn i'm always last to go down if at all, and usually the only time i go down is if i get hit with like
an entire horde + 4 snipers + 3 cc enemies

[timid otter]

71% permanent DR on ogryn with all toughness DR talents

[sharp ember]

E. Takedown + CoD + C. Kill + Iron Will feels pretty decent as a bootleg unwavering focus with a lasgun

[young sequoia]

it's the best blessing for axes

[delicate estuary]

yea just means you dont take a keystone

and I personally want to interact with the keystones

so I only take ET and CK

lack of iron will is extremely sus

[sharp ember]

the only keystone i need is the grenade keystone

[delicate estuary]

but it is what it is

[wheat violet]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ab88899-55eb-4e96-b227-586589783041/fun-2

Here is my build.

[simple crest]

Really? Is that a thing?

[delicate estuary]

yes ogryn is hilariously busted right now

[rose drum]

Why, exactly? Not doubting you it's just that I don't use axes and I'm curious for the reasoning

[delicate estuary]

cause brutal momentum gives cleave in a sense

[timid otter]

Ye its literary 71% toughness dr

[delicate estuary]

axes are all primarily single target so brutal momentum allows you to horde clear if you hit heads

plus weakspot damage is very nice

for armored targets

[livid fractal]

thinking something like this for a vet build

squad leader

[delicate estuary]

running revive instead of over toughness

[simple crest]

Makes me think of old veteran before the talent tree update

[humble meteor]

wasnt htat known since day 1 thp

[livid fractal]

was planning on running with rashad + 1a

[delicate estuary]

[livid fractal]

yea

[sharp ember]

Reworked BM is very good on high damage weapons. Getting a headshot kill resets your cleave falloff to 1st target, up to 4(?) times in a row, and then normal cleave falloff begins

[delicate estuary]

overtoughness is more consistent

[livid fractal]

i usually play matchmade, so i love being able to just tap f res

[wheat violet]

I miss the reload on soecial ability

[delicate estuary]

overtoughness is more valuable than res

[sharp ember]

So you can theoretically chop off 5 heads in 1 swing

at full damage

[livid fractal]

yeah but res is nice ;-;

[rose drum]

Agreed, no need to rez if your teammates have overshield at all times

[delicate estuary]

^^

[rose drum]

Also rez debuffs your ult by too much

[livid fractal]

aight

[delicate estuary]

also that

[livid fractal]

ill use overtough

[delicate estuary]

overtoughness is up every like 10 seconds with 3 specialist kills

which should be far more consistent

than resses

[wheat violet]

More so if you have multiple vets with it

Then add the reduced damage

[livid fractal]

unsure if i wanna run this with my pgun psword setup or with my 1a rashad kit

[wheat violet]

And die to those 10 shotgunners anyway

[sharp ember]

does revive shout make ledged allies pull themselves up

[livid fractal]

probably pgun psword since they're really not reliant on perks

[wheat violet]

Chainsword is nice

[delicate estuary]

pull this

[livid fractal]

chainsword is nice but thats what zealot is for

is this useable also?

im still so pissed, that chaxe is 2 points off of actually being perfect

[young sequoia]

if you're looking for recs, I'd cut charasmatic

[sharp ember]

bloodthirsty is kinda a joke but keep it around in case they make it useful

[livid fractal]

which mark of psword?

[young sequoia]

6

L1 and L2 are perfectly horizontal

[sharp ember]

pretty wild chaxe roll i think overall

[livid fractal]

btw that was an emprahs gift

[simple crest]

That's good to know

I'll have to get one myself

[young sequoia]

the push attack into L4 does a ton of damage. can two shot crushers and maulers

[livid fractal]

oh also i got uber lucky and got pcycler t4

[simple crest]

Gib

[young sequoia]

THE EMPRAH SMILES UPON YE

I've made 3 psykers just trying to get surge 4

[wheat violet]

Sword better, does not lock you into animation.

[livid fractal]

oh super off topic but

does anyone know about the bug that causes weapons to start to "deform" after a little while of gameplay

[mystic belfry]

That’s just the warp

[young sequoia]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028778506466902127/1177501164544217088/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.22_-_20.45.18.07.DVR_crusher_mauler_two_tap.mp4?ex=6572bc6a&is=6560476a&hm=37a3063ed62f67042593f1a94668357f06b2dc57e32736d65c6365ad9e6e3e35&

[livid fractal]

its especially bad on the plasma gun, grenadier gauntlet, and revolver- i havent really seen it with other guns

[young sequoia]

wym deform? :0

[livid fractal]

like

lemme see if i have a screenshot of it

oh here's a really good example

not a gun

how this should look

"deformed" version

here's my gauntlet doing it really bad

[young sequoia]

[livid fractal]

gauntlet again

[young sequoia]

never seent that before

[livid fractal]

pgun that got FUCKED

[young sequoia]

have u updated your graphics drivers

[livid fractal]

been ongoing for 6+ months

ive updated several times

[young sequoia]

weird owo

[livid fractal]

also holy fuck the push stab on psword does so much damage

frankly i dont like the power sword, it feels really dinky

[young sequoia]

power sword doesn't really pair well w plasma imo, even tho I run it

they're both slow

[livid fractal]

also i just need to say the plasma gun has god tier sound design

[young sequoia]

sounds like Baja blast

[livid fractal]

hot damn did FSR get a big buff or smthn?

went from 40fps avg to 90fps on quality

might also just be that the morningstar runs like trash

yeah morningstar runs like shit

[wheat violet]

Its your card not loading the model properly into the Vram

It also happens in other games

[livid fractal]

i actually figurd it out, its not that

its a bug with the LoDs

[wheat violet]

LoDs?

[livid fractal]

Levels of Detail

[wheat violet]

Ye

[humble meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-nerd-yelling-insult-gif-7884166

[wheat violet]

The game just loads in a low polygon model instead

[livid fractal]

essentially, the game generates a model at lower detail to save VRAM and graphics power if it thinks you won't be seeing it up close

[wheat violet]

To save up the Vram fór something else

[livid fractal]

for some reason its convinced some of my guns are at a far distance

[wheat violet]

Thats what i meant but worded it poorly

[livid fractal]

oh dear, another one i've found

the longer you spend in the morningstar the worse ur performance getts

ive been here for 5ish minutes and i've dropped like 10fps already

[nimble sentinel]

one of the upsides of immigration, had to build a new pc, my new rig slaps too hard to notice

[young sequoia]

my gpu hates low visibility missions when there's fire effects lol

[young sequoia]

i get OOM crashes sometimes since the last big update

[livid monolith]

game's got a big memory leak, worse off still if you have mods

[young sequoia]

i have so many mods

[livid fractal]

darktide'

[livid monolith]

yea the mods amplify the problem, both sides are tackling it

[livid fractal]

darktide's also abusive to my gpu

i have a 6750xt, it should be handling 1440p with 0 problems

[nimble sentinel]

3070 My Beloved

[livid fractal]

tbf i've been kinda frustrated with my gpu

it's way better than my old 580 ofr sure but.... its not quite the uplift i was expecting?

ie darktide went from ~40fps with FSR Performance to ~60 with FSR Quality

not a big uplift from a midrange 2016 gpu to a mid-high end 2021 gpu

[wheat violet]

But it happens in WT too. It loads a low polygon model from time to time if your card is slower. It was happening to me before i upgraded to better card.

[nimble sentinel]

fax, y'all think the sights on a hellbore are bad? try ADS on an aged 2060

[wheat violet]

I had 1650 ti

[raw turtle]

i run the game on a 4080 super and i get trash FPS (like 100, which is trash for the gpu)

[young sequoia]

i cant even use ray tracing and still get good fps

[wheat violet]

Now i have 7900 xtx

Running with vsync on my 144hz monitor

[nimble sentinel]

I have never exposed my sensitive gamer girl eyes to the wonders of 144 Hz out of fear that I can never got back to 60 fps

[wheat violet]

Having stable 144 fps

[young sequoia]

save yourself!

[wheat violet]

I have cursed double monitor setup.
Main 144 and second 60

[young sequoia]

EW WHAT

my gpu screams if the monitors are different hz

[simple crest]

Which vet personality has the most commissar like voice lines when using voice of command?

[wheat violet]

I asume its what is causing some games to crash now and then

[wheat violet]

Dunno, only ran one Vet and she was from the pile of asteroids

[versed merlin]

guys im concerned... do you think that plasma gun will get nerfed? its the only one build that i have optimized and know how to play on auric

[simple crest]

Took me a moment before I got it you meant cadia

[sharp ember]

professional for sure

cutthroat is more bloodthirsty and has GIVE EM THE OL KASRKIN DOUBLETAP

[wheat violet]

xD

[sharp ember]

loose cannons probably speak for themselves in the name

[wheat violet]

Fear not. Here a Fun build for Auric Malestorm https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ab88899-55eb-4e96-b227-586589783041/fun-2

Use that spear

[north raptor]

so i struggle with veteran

theres an excellent kantral Mg 1a in sire melk's today

but i have no idea if that weapon is a brick

[wheat violet]

Loose canon and cadian have great interactions

[wheat violet]

Show us

[sharp ember]

the weapon itself is a great base, but show the stats

[versed merlin]

ty ill try that. tho i didnt like helbore when i first tried it (i was lvl 20 i think?), i can train to like it if it be as effective

[young sequoia]

brick :(

[north raptor]

ok, but why

[sharp ember]

only good for ripping Headhunter 4

Falter is bad because you don't want stagger, you want murder

[versed merlin]

you'll have to roll crit dmg and falter, but that +15% isnt great either

[north raptor]

why would i need to roll crit damage if it has crit chance from headhunter?

[sharp ember]

Ranged Crit damage is bad because it only increases the damage bonus portion, not the total damage

[north raptor]

ugh

[livid monolith]

because the crit damage increase is small

[versed merlin]

because crit chance is better than wasting perks on crit dmg

[sharp ember]

so it in practice isn't going to make you kill anything in less shots

[north raptor]

what's the damage bonus portion of damage

[young sequoia]

critical hit damage has bad calculation, falter isn't good cuz damage is better.

if 15% flak gets you to the same break points as a higher version, then it's salvageable

[versed merlin]

+10% crit dmg isnt as much as you think it is

[north raptor]

this is why they need a tutorial or a guide or something -- it feels like every decision in this game is a trap

[sharp ember]

example: if your gun does 100 normal damage, and 150 crit damage, only that 50 damage difference gets increased, so +10% crit damage is 155 total damage

[north raptor]

well thanks for your advice, i wont pick it up

[versed merlin]

coming from vermintide, i can totally understand this feeling

[sharp ember]

that's how the calculation works for crit dmg and weakspot dmg bonuses

[young sequoia]

helbore infernus is such a classic

[livid monolith]

if its from the milk shop headhunter iv alone is good enough buy

[south garnet]

Swap falter for deadly accurate and upgrade flak to 25%. Crit damage isn't great but if it's going to be on a crit build anyway then at least it's semi reliable, especially if using deadshot. You can tell what crit damage is by taking crit damage and subtracting regular damage - then, 10% of that will be what you get as a bonus from the perk.

Assuming you crit anyway

[wheat violet]

I find the blessing that speeds up charge time countraproductive if you have the one that gives you crit while ads.

[south garnet]

Bottom line you want reliability from perks and blessings for whatever build you're after. That generally means damage, at higher percentages if possible

[versed merlin]

isnt helbore supposed to be a one shot on weakspot tybe of weapon? why infernus if you're aiming for one shotting enemies?

[sharp ember]

if i was forced to use that gun, i'd switch crit dmg to Maniac and hope 15% flak dmg doesn't make anything survive another shot

[wheat violet]

Cause you are not going to have 100% accuracy

And you are not going to 1shot monstrocities anyway

[south garnet]

Yea I don't remember flak breakpoints on the mg12

[wheat violet]

Same with crushers

[south garnet]

Or la rather

[versed merlin]

hmm

[wheat violet]

The build i have is based on the idea of sustainability

[versed merlin]

so i assume there isnt a better option for helbore other than infernus?

[sharp ember]

there is

two ultimate blessings

Onslaught + Surgical

faster shooting and more crit chance just for aiming

[wheat violet]

Onslaught shortens the charge time making you have less crit chance thus using more ammo

[sharp ember]

nothing else brings as much value

[versed merlin]

ohh okok i see it now

[sharp ember]

Heckbores do not have ammo issues

[wheat violet]

If you have crit chance they dont.

[south garnet]

Fatshark "wants people to figure stuff out for themselves as they play the game" which is another way of saying "we don't want to have to work to make the game more transparent and easy to understand, even for our own benefit, let alone have to actually balance all this shit properly"

[north raptor]

i have a friend who has played casually for a year and didnt know stopping power was a damage stat

[tiny summit]

I still don't have ammo issues with increased crit chance and lowered charge time. Crit chance when I get the luxury to pick off from a distance. Quick charge shots when I need it

[north raptor]

it's just stupid. at least vtide let you guarantee max rolls with their red dust at some point. anyway i wont be salty anymore

[versed merlin]

want to get real salty? go to steam reviews on darktide imperial edition upgrade lol

[tiny summit]

Just having a more in-depth description of a stat when you hover over it would do wonders

[wheat violet]

Best part is

That the same name of a stat

Can have different meaning

Depanding on the weapon

[north raptor]

.>

[nimble sentinel]

I agree with all the complaints but y'all should play elite dangerous

it can be so much worse

[versed merlin]

know what

[wheat violet]

Nah Space Citizen

[livid monolith]

valorant with $70 skins

[versed merlin]

if they nerf plasma gun ill do a kantrael build

[wheat violet]

Also a nice choice

[delicate estuary]

I hope you get non stop silent trappered today

[nimble sentinel]

I'll play SC when it's released

[south garnet]

Or even have two stats on a weapon affect the same exact things, like mobility and defenses both affecting dodge count/distance and etc.

[versed merlin]

it looks like a nice weapon to start to git gud at this game

[nimble sentinel]

/uj engineering is like hadron, except there's SO MUCH MORE GRIND

[wheat violet]

Ah yes

[nimble sentinel]

3 different material groups which have different material types and tiers that are complicated to juggle

and super slow to aquire

[versed merlin]

i still dont know the difference between britleness and rending

[wheat violet]

Some weapons add the damage + first hit in the display

[nimble sentinel]

and yes you are still rolling for stats

[livid monolith]

rending is for your hits, brittle is for everyone's hits after yours

[nimble sentinel]

also because you're piloting a space ship, you have more than one gun and plenty of components that also need engineering

deadass gonna take you months just to reach the end game

[versed merlin]

OHHH kk makes sense now

[livid monolith]

one's a buff, one's a debuff

[versed merlin]

thamq

[north raptor]

i was told they were identical

and rending was a typo

[versed merlin]

lmao

[livid monolith]

in some stuff in the vet tree yes that was the case because some talents said rending but actually applied brittleness

[south garnet]

Brittleness debuffs the enemy for anyone hitting them, while rending buffs only your own attacks - and not just against that foe, necessarily (sometimes yes, sometimes no). They also stack differently lol

[wheat violet]

Counterpoint making heretics burn is more fun. And that is the name of the build.

[versed merlin]

cant disagree with that

tried infernus accatran 7 lasgun once and it was pretty fun

[north raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/les-miserables-les-mis-gif-5046893

[versed merlin]

but dealing with specials and elite was shit

[south garnet]

The trees are just full of miswritten descriptions, or effects that are completely unlisted. Vet also has 2 different talent nodes called "always prepared"

[wheat violet]

The slowest firing one pierces one infested enemy

[tiny summit]

Can't disagree. Have infernus on all my other lasguns just haven't got it for my helbores

[wheat violet]

Great thing

[livid monolith]

except for that brief period in the beta when recon las didn't have a cap on its flame stacks and could kill everything including entire damnation bosses in under 5 seconds

[wheat violet]

Yeah

[versed merlin]

jesus

that sounds like fun

[wheat violet]

Those were the times

[versed merlin]

why do they have to nerf all the fun stuff

[livid monolith]

because it isnt fun if it prevents other players from playing the game

[versed merlin]

well.... true

[untold moth]

Does anyone have a recon lasgun build that works well on auric damnation. Every time I come back to this game my stuff gets butchered

They completely reversed the damage profile on my best gun too.. why

[south garnet]

I don't mind them fixing stuff that clearly isn't working as intended. What bugs me is when they nerf functional weapons/blessings/talents with a suitable niche into the dirt for no other reason than to watch you bleed

[trim hemlock]

Don’t settle on one build is the best advice I can give.

[livid monolith]

the great psword review bomb

[versed merlin]

yep 100% im still kinda fresh in this game, but i've been hearing people say that plasma might get nerfed, so im looking for other options right now

[untold moth]

Imagine if you could scrap golds into 500 plasteel 200 diamantine

[versed merlin]

its not like some games have this type of feature

[wheat violet]

I Wish there was less RNG when it comes to the guns

[untold moth]

Plasma is safe bet. It’s easy to build, not too susceptible to rng to get a good one

[trim hemlock]

I was primarily replying to vitamint’s sentiment about recons, but I suppose it’s a universal statement.

Even if plasma gets nerfed the gun will still be strong

[wheat violet]

Also neat that the Helbore deals more damage when you are away from the enemies

[untold moth]

I used to boot this game up just to play recon lasgun.. now I just look at it and boot up bg3

[trim hemlock]

Recons however are kind of karked, still

[south garnet]

Everything will become either useless trash or ridiculously overpowered as the tide (heh) ebbs and flows, just play the game as it stands and hope for the best - collect as many good roll weapons as possible for when changes drop. Only thing to specifically not build your house on are obvious bugs.

[untold moth]

Helbore weapon draw animation hurts me too much to enjoy the weapon

[versed merlin]

what's the point of having a slow gun that doesnt one shot enemies if faster one can still one shot them? sure, it will hit hard on lots of them, but until they die, its pretty much the same as a vraks dealing with each one of them in the same speed with less ammo consumed

[livid monolith]

well at least recons had brief periods of being good, chaxe enjoyers are still suffering

[eternal sable]

do i try ?

[dusk idol]

you could try

but why try

[eternal sable]

😭

[untold moth]

If it has max Dodge count, sure

[eternal sable]

im not going o try 😒

[south garnet]

If you're level 30 absolutely not. If you're below that, sure

[dusk idol]

give in to nihilism

don't try

[eternal sable]

i have shovel addiction...

[versed merlin]

but what if you get good blessings on it?

[eternal sable]

im going to try.

[untold moth]

That’s a pretty good roll all things considered

[versed merlin]

doesnt hurt to at least bring it to blue

oh

okay

[humble meteor]

ih

uh

[versed merlin]

you dont need it then

[untold moth]

It might god-roll the blessings

[dusk idol]

i think you have an addiction addiction

[untold moth]

Do it

[south garnet]

Based, but in that case I definitely wouldn't try that newest one lol

[untold moth]

Appease shovel God

[eternal sable]

ok im doing it

[livid monolith]

darktide updated

what is it

[eternal sable]

fuck this shit

[dusk idol]

they broke another blessing again

[eternal sable]

i blame you guys

[versed merlin]

wait what

[south garnet]

[humble meteor]

new blessing but

[untold moth]

I can tell you what it’s not, sharing weapons between careers

[dusk idol]

don't blaame me

[livid monolith]

55mb

[dusk idol]

i was perfectly reasonable in my efforts to persuade you to laziness

[untold moth]

I got this excellent revolver on my psyker, and an even better one on my zealot. But nope, can’t use it on my vet

[dusk idol]

yeah youre right

i want my ogryn to have a little revolver

and i want a comically huge man sized shovel for my veteran

[untold moth]

I wish they actually made new guns. There are plenty

So many things missing

Two handed chain axe when

[simple crest]

When a blessing says it gives power, what exactly does that mean? Is it just damage or?

[south garnet]

If only. This is such bullshit and makes it not only frustrating to get great weapons on the wrong class, but functionally dilutes the pool of weapons and blessings you actually WANT to get. This is part of why ogrryn has it so good.

[dusk idol]

power cleave and impact

or something to that effect

[south garnet]

It also means fatshark has to try, and fail, to balance a weapon for 3 classes instead of 1

[dusk idol]

sorry

i mean damage not power

[simple crest]

Okay so it is more damage then, great

[south garnet]

Open up weapon sharing, problem solved

(To an extent anyway)

[versed merlin]

exactly

if not weapons

[south garnet]

FS gets their grind ("engagement"), player gets weapons they can actually use

[versed merlin]

then at least gives us damn shared curios bro

[untold moth]

If I could hamfist changes to the game.. first things I’d do:
Weapon sharing
Brunt’s minimum increased to 350
Scrap weapons for 20-25% of material
Purchasable blessings from melk. 4000 for any t4 blessing.
Option to unlock both perks and both blessings for something like 5000 plasteel 2000 diamantine

I’ve held onto dozens of ruined maxed upgrades junk with 370+ rolls just in the hopes they stop disrespecting players

Every time I hoard up 2M dockets and a ton of plasteel, just to walk away with nothing

[versed merlin]

[delicate moat]

haven't fixed the helbore spear

[untold moth]

And you get all these morons that are like “you don’t need to min max”..
Patch 14 ruined my best heavy sword by increasing the HP of elites. I went from being able to 1 shot mutants on damnation to being 23 damage short. Literally 2-3% more damage on my stat roll would let me do it

Or maybe if I ever find deathblow 4 it’ll be enough to just barely get it up. But I’ve made 50+ heavy swords and never found it

[simple crest]

Stabby stab is fun

[untold moth]

But it’s funny, going from having a “God roll” 25% perks, best blessing combination, to being binned because you no longer meet a break point because people were opposed to “power” system like in vermintide

“Oh it adds more variety to have stat rolls”
Then let us distribute them as we want? But the truth is people would distribute them the same way, because it’s not real variety, it’s just shit rng that disrespect your time

If you can increase your ttk on key targets, you make that choice. The game just denies you the option

[south garnet]

I'm really happy they fixed docket and xp reward perks on curios

[delicate estuary]

well they have to keep you playing somehow. Not defending them just saying what my theory is behind this shit progression system. Currently imo they dont have a gameplay loop for character progression so we are stuck with a shit system

[forest maple]

30 mb patch

where skin

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-warhammer-no-meme-gif-15084429411958404464

[nimble sentinel]

over by the pearls, if you reach the pears you've gone too far

[gaunt hinge]

whats the gameplay loop for vermintide

[forest maple]

But the pearls are so shiny, so majestic. They entice me constantly.

[nimble sentinel]

afaik: do missions for box, weapons in box, use box weapons for more box

[glacial mist]

is there like

a list of good blessings on a chainsword/devil claw

is rampage good or nah

a lotta things i just dont understand that mostly isnt stated anywhere

what's a volley fire?

why 3rd and 4th shots?

impact? cleave?

[inland orchid]

Salvo blessing things

Impact helps with stagger

[glacial mist]

oh

[inland orchid]

Cleave helps hit more people than just 1

[glacial mist]

why not just say increased stagger

also funny thing

why is my bayonet better than my axe

seems kinda weird

[trim hemlock]

Rampage is good for both weapons.
People say Savage sweep also, but IMO it’s a trap. Shred and Bloodletter are somewhat decent.

[glacial mist]

is that some below lvl 30 janks or is it just me

[trim hemlock]

Actually in most cases this is shots 2-4, not 3-4

[inland orchid]

Bayonets got buffed so no outlier to me

[glacial mist]

so what does that mean in layman term?

3rd and 4th shots in a salvo?

[inland orchid]

When pew pew

[tall torrent]

Rampage + Savage Sweep/Wrath

[glacial mist]

do i just spam shots?

[inland orchid]

Only 3 and 4 in burst do the damage

[glacial mist]

sorry i mean a salvo

in the blessing it says

3rd and 4th shot in a salvo

[trim hemlock]

Salvo - a series of shots released in a single trigger pull, which starts with a shot and lasts until the last round is fired, and the recoil resets (the reset is on a timer IIRC)

[glacial mist]

huh

[tall torrent]

Salvo is continued shots before recoil resets

[glacial mist]

imma look for a mod to see the recoil timer or something

but more importantly

what's a good gun for a vet?

[tall torrent]

Salvo related blessings usually aren’t that good

[inland orchid]

Yes

[trim hemlock]

Literally anything that isn’t a variation of Recon lasguns

[glacial mist]

kinda like my hellbore lasgun

[hybrid river]

Plasma is my favorite for vet

[tall torrent]

Stuff to try:
All 3 infantry autoguns
All 3 infantry lasguns
All 3 helbore lasguns
2 braced autoguns (skip Graia MkIV)
2 headhunter autoguns (skip Agripinaa MkIX)
Plasma gun
Revolver
Laspistol
All 3 shotguns (this depends on your build though)
Bolter still good but not as versatile as revolver or plasma gun (imo)

[glacial mist]

recon lasgun is that bad?

i kinda like it

straight up lasering stuff

just low damage

[inland orchid]

Used to be decent but got shafted from my knowledge

[glacial mist]

i have braced autogun and the smg

[tall torrent]

Lower difficulties fine
It’s just outclassed horribly

[glacial mist]

what it's name

[glacial mist]

oof kk

[hybrid river]

Shredder

[glacial mist]

gotcha

and the boltgun

why would you use that

when you have revolver

[trim hemlock]

Funny explosive DMR

[glacial mist]

makes no damn sense

[trim hemlock]

With high recoil

It’s satisfying to use, though

[tall torrent]

Boltgun kills monstrosities a bit better

[inland orchid]

That and funny chunk on monstrosity

[glacial mist]

plasma gun

[tall torrent]

And opens up bulwarks

[glacial mist]

i just cant jam with it

i hate the percentage management on the mage

and i hate it here too

not to mention the reload time is like

3 vacation long

[tall torrent]

Just vent when you get to like 80% lol

[tall torrent]

You shouldn’t be reloading it in the middle of a fight anyway

[glacial mist]

i mean, i ran out of ammo

and is there a list of differences between the mk-s

[glacial mist]

or do i just avoid the ones listed here

[tall torrent]

Everything listed here is “good gun to use” lol

[glacial mist]

no i mean

avoid the ones he listed

the mk4 and mk9

[tall torrent]

Oh yea those aren’t that great rn, still like usable (and still much better than recon lasguns lol)

[glacial mist]

ngl

they need to like

come up with a better naming schemes

[tall torrent]

Yea that part is pretty confusing for beginners for sure

[glacial mist]

guess it's time to sell all my lasgun

i mean recon lasguns

[tall torrent]

Usually we just call them by “origin + model” or “model + weapon family”

[tall torrent]

U can keep because they might get buffed

[glacial mist]

huh

that happens frequently?

buffing stuff?

[hybrid river]

Yes

[delicate moat]

[glacial mist]

damn guess inv management gonna takes a backseat

what about melee wep

which one is good for like clearing out lotta mobs

[hybrid river]

Recons went from god tier to shit in the span of 3 weeks so the reverse can very well happen

[delicate moat]

they gotta have some buffs for chainaxe planned

[glacial mist]

im using a chainsword but

ppl say powersword is better?

[tall torrent]

Combat axe (all 3)
Power sword (both)
Devil’s claw sword (mk4 & mk7)
Chainsword
Shovel

[hybrid river]

Chainsword and power sword mk 6 are the best vet melee. Powersword can put out more damage but chainsword is more adaptable, faster, and has way more dodges

[glacial mist]

and i kinda like the parry of the devil claw

wait there are 3 axes?

and the shovel lol

i thought that was an orgyn thing

damn my only devil claw is a mk1

[tall torrent]

If you’re a real min-max kind of person, vet best melee weapons are mk6 power sword and mk2 combat axe
But they need very specific rolls which can be a pain to get

[gray finch]

another bug fix another veteran nerfs XD

[tall torrent]

Mk1 is fine for horde clear
It’s just a bit lacking in killing armored targets

[delicate moat]

still trying to get a good base stat rashad after 500k

[glacial mist]

rampage wrath?

[tall torrent]

Rashad roll is the real veteran endgame

[delicate moat]

actually insanely difficult

[tall torrent]

Rampage + Savage Sweep

[glacial mist]

hmm kk

imma keep an eye out

[delicate moat]

wrath is fine too

[glacial mist]

i only know rampage tbh

[tall torrent]

But a Rashad that hits all breakpoints is literally insane

[glacial mist]

never seen the other 2 perks

err

blessings

[delicate moat]

even my almost-good rashad is really good

[empty heron]

What about in this case? Shouldn't opening salvo be constant 20% more damage?

considering it's semi

[trim hemlock]

You still need to wait until the buff/recoil resets

[tall torrent]

Opening salvo is bad because it forces you to shoot slower to proc it consistently and it doesn’t give you any meaningful breakpoints afaik

[empty heron]

ah

[trim hemlock]

It’s not a bad blessing if it can give you a breakpoint, but often times you just want to shoot as quickly the RoF allows

[glacial mist]

so

i've been seeing like

[simple crest]

What are breakpoints?

[glacial mist]

a weapon customization on the internet

how do i access that?

[tall torrent]

Important damage values that helps you kill important enemies with less hits

[glacial mist]

kinda wanna put a scope on my charged lasgun

[trim hemlock]

Shots to kill a target.

[empty heron]

You mean this? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[trim hemlock]

Or hits, in case of melee weapons

[hybrid river]

Modding discord link in #📌communities

[glacial mist]

modding?

in an online game?

shieeet

sign me up sah

[trim hemlock]

Yes, it’s a mod-only functionality to put custom attachments on your weapons

[glacial mist]

can i put a scope on my revolver?

[trim hemlock]

It revives some unused assets and makes them visible only on your end

[hybrid river]

Yes

[glacial mist]

damn i need that

[stuck bridge]

when it finally fucking happens

[trim hemlock]

If there is a supporting model for it, be it an unused asset or one that’s been jury-rigged, yes, you can do it with the mod

[hybrid river]

There’s also an extended version of the mod that gets rid of all boundaries between weapons

So putting an axe head on a Psyker staff etc

[glacial mist]

huh

can you like

use that?

like as an axe

[stuck bridge]

it doesnt change function

[glacial mist]

i dont think i've used psyker staff

[stuck bridge]

psyker staff special is melee combo

[hybrid river]

Staves have a weapon bash for their special so close enough

Won’t change anything gameplay wise though

[mystic belfry]

It is a cosmetic/visual change

[glacial mist]

hmm

sooo

[tall torrent]

A couple important gun-related breakpoints you ought to know:
Dreg gunner 1400 hp (unarmored head, flak torso)
Scab gunner 1200hp (flak)
Both flamers 1400hp (maniac)
Scab sniper 500hp (unarmored)
Scab trapper 900hp (maniac)
Both shotgunners 1000hp (Dreg unarmored head + flak torso, Scab flak)

[glacial mist]

for an average noob

which skill should i use