veteran-class

[vital saddle]

Or use shovel

[delicate moat]

what is up with people running off to weird corners then dying

[vital saddle]

Decimater uncanny with flak unarmoured

[sharp ember]

dclaw is a simple Rampage + Savage Sweep/Wrath

Flak + whatever

[vital saddle]

Or flak pox walker if u roll bad perks like I did

[serene sage]

kek too late for me then

but rampage shred is fine, probably

[sharp ember]

that's not the worst

[delicate moat]

u dont really need savage sweep if u got rampage

its pretty good actually

[vital saddle]

Shred is more a zealot thing imo

[sharp ember]

Yeah at least Shred is one of the better ones

[serene sage]

bricky brick for both yeah?

im cleaning up my inventory right now lmao

[sharp ember]

double bricked

[serene sage]

perfect

[vital saddle]

Aye shite all round

[serene sage]

i dont feelbad scrapping

[delicate moat]

u can build a house with that

[serene sage]

FS really needs a better way to sort inventory

this is annoying

[sharp ember]

I wish I could make sort by weapon type default

[vital saddle]

U actually want high mobility and defense as it = stupid high stamina for reviving

[sharp ember]

instead of rating

[serene sage]

remember when this used to be good?

[vital saddle]

But u ofc don't wanna dump anything lower than 70 dmg pen and first target eise

[serene sage]

i member

[sharp ember]

I can't believe they neutered crit string shocktrooper

[slim ocean]

Best recon still vld?

[sharp ember]

removing reverse fall off was fair but oof not crit string shocktrooper

[umbral scaffold]

Shovel for life

[sharp ember]

yea, though the 7a isn't half bad (for a recon)

[midnight mortar]

If you must use a recon, yes.

[quick burrow]

shock trooper was only good because of crit strings now whats the point

[vital saddle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1176711703996661770/image.png?ex=656fdd2c&is=655d682c&hm=733c39ca8f21df7dc62bbf07150798ba96fa091799102b4e11c61f02945203ec&

Pew pew

Rip stability

[sharp ember]

If they thought infinite ammo builds were a problem, why does the lucius remain in its current state

[vital saddle]

xDDDD

Lasguns always had infinity ammo even without the talent tbh

[sharp ember]

yeah I still take em on builds with no ammo talentsa

[vital saddle]

8 ammo back every elite and special kek

Gria and Agrippina crying with 4 ammo pickup

Columnus laughing with 6

[fast scaffold]

world first, more plasteel than dia

[vital saddle]

Lies man photo shopped

[fast scaffold]

Don't worry, if there are no weapons in part 2 itll go backto how the emperor intended

[serene sage]

I honestly dont know what you guys problems are

never ran into the plasteel probabem

[whole moon]

What did they do to reverse falloff?

[fast scaffold]

nothing

its the nat curve

if you don't craft

[junior needle]

Oh you have something that displays brittleness, neat. Thought that might've not been displaying correctly so I checked it myself and it looks like bleeds don't apply onslaught anymore.

[serene sage]

I mean I crafted like 20 something items

and did some blessing hunting too (didn't abuse that plasteel bug back then)

[midnight mortar]

only 20 something

No wonder your plasteel stockpile is so high.

[serene sage]

like 20 something items to keep

a bunch of scrap before that

not lietarlly total 20

if that makes sense

liek 20 im happy with

[south garnet]

I never save plasteel

I eat it all

I might have several million dockets, I'll still have like 60 plasteel

[quick burrow]

i actually started deleting plas steel since i have so much compared to my diamantine

i get like 5k plas to 1 dia

[forest blaze]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/2/24/PlasmaCaliver.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180819001217

Plasma caliver when

[midnight mortar]

Never ever.

Too precious/obscure for rejects.

[forest blaze]

Nonsense

[junior needle]

WAIT A SECOND. I lied. It appears they do apply onslaught, not sure how to explain this damage difference otherwise.

[quick burrow]

get the weapon cust mod and make your own

wat u talking about?

bleeds apply onslaught did fatshark remove that ?

[forest blaze]

Mods are for children

[quick burrow]

if you say so

il be enjoying my accatran mk2 scope on my columus thank you very much

but i will feel bad about it

(i wont)

[forest blaze]

🙂

[sharp ember]

it should still be in

random useless fact but a chainaxe with brittleness + bleedletter will rack up brittleness stacks by itself

[quick burrow]

i refuse to take off headtaker and slaughter on my chain axe and not just because they are locked

[junior needle]

The only talent difference for those two videos were toggling serrated on and off. I used a gray rashad axe. Did fully charged heavies for both.

The bleed numbers weren't going up with the ticks where stacks didn't fall off, so I thought it was gone

Perhaps there's some weirdness where the dot damage only gets updated against armor on reapplication

[finite imp]

8 years later still no decent blessings for knife or revo

[umbral scaffold]

What you mean

https://tenor.com/view/druski-gif-23886381

[fast scaffold]

Probably means they haven't rolled any or their wrong lol

[crude fiber]

mercy killer + uncanny on vet is pretty great

[umbral scaffold]

True

A lot of good combos you can do

[zealous wyvern]

i have yet to play knife enjoyably

waiting for mission rotation to give me something that is not hunting grounds

[fast scaffold]

Knife is a sleeper weapon, as in it puts me to sleep

[crude fiber]

knifes fun, you have great single target damage and are super hard to kill

[fast scaffold]

too much clicking

[crude fiber]

never understood that complaint

https://tenor.com/view/walk-away-im-out-gif-27669704

[fast scaffold]

As in you don't do it too much, or you like clicking 1000+ times a match

[zealous wyvern]

tendons and mouse hardware do not like constant speedclicking

if you use a lot of heavies this would not be less of a problem

but holding down the button is still more straining than not holding it down

the slower your weapon the less strain on hardware and body

[whole moon]

I do need an autofire mod for the knife. Main reason I don't use it more

[cerulean void]

is there a good way to make combat blade a hordeclear weapon?

my current is a haymaker+executor

[whole moon]

Click faster?

Click so fast your girlfriend starts licking her lips

[sharp ember]

do a mercy killer headshot setup to actually kill enemies, or get a bleed stacking build to bleed everything out

[crude fiber]

dont think haymaker is the way to go, probably just double bleed blessings

[sharp ember]

haymaker is only good on ogryn clubs because their heavies actually sweep

[spark helm]

does onslaught work with ranged weapons? also has anyone had issues with field improvisation not restoring grenades? I haven't paid much attention and I'm pretty sure I had a run where i was happening but if that's the cae and I didn't forget, it's inconsistent.

[junior needle]

Yes, it works with anything as long as it consecutively hits

[twin kettle]

Is the hellbore snipers garbage? They seem way worse then just pulling out revolver and click someones head :/

[merry gale]

well you get to never interact with ammo tins when running helbore

and shit on p much anything

rev can do the shitting part but need ammo pickups

rev l

[gusty sonnet]

Well they have the lasgun tag and crit constantly with the right blessing, aka billion ammo shocktrooper

[teal abyss]

Melk blessed me

[stuck bridge]

nice

[snow nymph]

What would be the easiest way to complete the On Overwatch Penance? I have been trying for 2 days with no success.

[junior needle]

Infiltrate with threat reduction node, melee weapon with a good block, play like you're paranoid and constantly check behind you, remember that blocks are 360 degrees and pay attention to the hit sound.

Low intensity is your friend.

[junior needle]

They're good, it's just that revolver is insane and invalidates most other weapons entirely

[eternal sable]

holy shit hardron

blessed with the blessings otherwise bricked

[delicate moat]

anyone had any silent trappers recently?

[empty creek]

bought a gun w/o realizing i had it's direct upgrade already in my inventory

[junior needle]

Euf

Well both of them are pretty poorly rolled

[umbral scaffold]

What is it with people complaining vet is unplayable/nerfed now?

[serene sage]

probably my favorite gender

I love tinkered frag

[whole moon]

Really? Eight hours ago I was reading how the Vet is OP and now the best class

[umbral scaffold]

I mean I agree.

Vet is the strongest it has ever been.

I just ran Auric HistG with a White Braced Autogun

[junior needle]

[umbral scaffold]

Was dead for 12 of the 55 minutes of the match.

[rare bobcat]

[umbral scaffold]

And still had 780k dmg

How is vet weak again..?

[serene sage]

I kinda agree with an asterisk

[junior needle]

Why would someone go on the internet and tell lies

[serene sage]

Vet is the strongest with certain builds and weapons

[junior needle]

Melee vet talents are very good, and some weapons like columnus are insane

[umbral scaffold]

Or if you are a decent shot and complain less than most VET's I currently meet ingame lol

[junior needle]

But ranged vet by itself is not that good, especially compared to gun psyker

[umbral scaffold]

I run this and do almost 800k dmg in Auric

[serene sage]

haven't seen anyone complaining in game
like, ever

[umbral scaffold]

Like.. vet is super busted if you are a decent player.

[junior needle]

Post scoreboards that also show melee damage

[serene sage]

just a white? why?

[umbral scaffold]

Guess its me being stuck on Eu/Russian Servers.

[umbral scaffold]

I will after next one.

[serene sage]

have you tried being American

[umbral scaffold]

I will show you 1 sec.

[umbral scaffold]

Too busy being Ukrainian I am sorry

[serene sage]

ah i see, well gl

to you and your country

[umbral scaffold]

Thanks is what it is.

But anyways ill show you why the white lol

[whole moon]

All the best!

[serene sage]

k

[frank ether]

wouldn't be a problem if other weapons had more things going for them

[umbral scaffold]

A) im poor and dont have mats right now
B) Have you heard of the Helgun?

[serene sage]

cursed uzi

[junior needle]

Oh neat, I didn't know there was an ultrastubber version for regular autoguns

[umbral scaffold]

uncultured smh

[junior needle]

What mod is that

[umbral scaffold]

I run this right now.

for Aurics.

and its super fun to use.

This is just a holdover till I get a perfectly rolled one tho.

[umbral scaffold]

Weapons Customisation Expanded.

[junior needle]

Oh? What option gives it the laser?

[umbral scaffold]

PewPew

Theres also this one. Braced Autoguns are super poweful if used correctly.

[shadow wasp]

anyone got a link to the weapon customazion mod i cant find it on nexus

[umbral scaffold]

And these arent even "God Rolls"

[umbral scaffold]

Cause its not.

Modding Server only.

[shadow wasp]

ah

[grim walrus]

🤝

[whole moon]

https://discord.gg/rKYWtaDx4D

[umbral scaffold]

[frank ether]

braced autoguns are some of the easiest guns to use

[whole moon]

Modding server w those two crackin mods

[frank ether]

how can you use them wrong

[shadow wasp]

cheers

[umbral scaffold]

Legit Left Mouse gameplay.

which makes em super accessible.

[wicked charm]

anyone got any tips for On Overwatch?

[gloomy kestrel]

Used to be you could hurl yourself off the map at the start and have your buds rez you at the end, idk if they fixed that

[whole moon]

I used Infiltrate, smoke nades (useless) and a Plasma Gun on Assasination. Just held back a little dodged often and got it. There is a cheese if you get frustrated tho

Shadow above posted the cheese 🙂

[wicked charm]

does it still work?

though idk if i want to put my friends through that

[umbral scaffold]

Ive come to the common consesus that Smoke Nades are better than Kraks.

But thats just me lol

[gloomy kestrel]

if its on like malice I think if theyr'e half decent three manning it really isn't that bad

[frank ether]

thats about the only redeemable thing about them

[umbral scaffold]

Not really but alright.

[frank ether]

that and their synergy with zealots I suppose

[gloomy kestrel]

I feel like plasma and bolter need some mild buffs with how strong revo is now

[whole moon]

I've only used em for that penance. Dunno if I can do without my Kraks, confirmed Krakaddict here

[junior needle]

Well there are significantly more enemies in hi5 stg, so you're going to do more damage. Individual game performance on damage isn't necessarily indicative of actual class strength.

[frank ether]

not really a very good gun for veteran

[empty creek]

trying 2 make a damnation-ready recon las build but it needs max ranged critical hits so i don’t reload as much

my head hurts

[frank ether]

I guess agri is ok still

[gloomy kestrel]

recon las is gimped af atm

[junior needle]

They're shit currently, I wouldn't bother with them

[empty creek]

THX Einstein any other wise observations

yeah they’re shit

[umbral scaffold]

kraks are great as Anti Tank / Armor grenades sure.

[empty creek]

trying 2 see if i can make them less shit

[umbral scaffold]

But I dont see myself using them.

[junior needle]

Licking doorknobs is illegal on other planets

[umbral scaffold]

Considering 90% of weapons I run 2-3 shot crushers.

[gloomy kestrel]

you can get around it with very good aim

[umbral scaffold]

Including my Lasguns

[empty creek]

[gloomy kestrel]

but you can get way more mileage with that effort with any other gun

more power to you if you enjoy em though

I pull them out when I'm helping friends on lower difficulty for fun

[umbral scaffold]

Plasma and Bolter are some of the strongest weapons right now.

Bolter just isnt a "Magdump" weapon anymore right now.

[frank ether]

thats ironic considering recon las barely has any recoil or spread lol

[umbral scaffold]

Its a budget sniper rifle really.

[frank ether]

you just point it at head level and beam it

[grim walrus]

I have these 3 around to collect dust.

[gloomy kestrel]

I feel like revo does bolters job better

[frank ether]

what I struggle the most with recon las is the sheer amount of beam

obstructs the target

lmao

[junior needle]

It's not traditional recoil/spread, the shots uncontrollably wander around instead. Doesn't justify their absolutely dogshit damage though.

[umbral scaffold]

I dont get to talk these are my 3 most used guns.

[grim walrus]

Other than crowd-control and larger mag-capacity.

[frank ether]

really minimal

like

your hipfire on recon las

[gloomy kestrel]

if I want crowd control on vet I'll use psword or shredders

[frank ether]

is better than crouched braced brauto

[junior needle]

The hipfire is quite tight, it's more noticeable on ads

[frank ether]

though thats more of a problem with braced guns I guess

[grim walrus]

Hm

[umbral scaffold]

When they say Recon lasgun is "Shite"

[frank ether]

they easily outperform recons once you put some talents with spread reduction

[frank ether]

if deadshot had spread reduction deadshot brauto would outdo recons lmao

I'm serious about that btw

its good on iags already

[junior needle]

But you need like 90% at least headshot uptime with a particular build on a 6d to at best get near but still below the performance of me doing lazyman bodyshots with an infantry las.

[frank ether]

just that sway reduction is meaningless for brautos

[frank ether]

thats the problem with las

no room for skill expression

no room to buff it

it will either be the zero effom beam everything gun

or be dogwater

needs a rework

[junior needle]

They could just make it not suck absolute ass numbers wise?

[frank ether]

sure

I agree

they could buff it a little bit, as a treat

but what it really needs is a total redo

it just doesnt work

[umbral scaffold]

Every weapone except the Autopistol is actually useable with vet now.

Same with melee weapons.

[junior needle]

It needs a big buff, there's other accurate guns that don't require you to do watergun dps

[frank ether]

iags actually kick up though

especially on the move

if you give recons anywhere close iag dps

then I'll just hipfire zoom across the map

[frank ether]

I guess the gap could shrink a bit

[gloomy kestrel]

also here's hoping the update part 2 actually gives us some new weapons and it's not just an excuse to put a battlepass in the game

[umbral scaffold]

See if it was like the old halo battlepass where you buy it once and have it forever I wouldnt mind.

[junior needle]

Yeah, you can boost the numbers with a very particular talent setup, especially for showcase dps with 100% headshot uptime where marksman shines. But that's not a credit to the weapon, that's just the talent tree being able to salvage something with temporary power boosts.

[umbral scaffold]

But if its the COD bullshit where you pay 60 Bucks per season

No thanks

[gloomy kestrel]

if they did it like deep rock or something

work on the pass whenever you want

[grim walrus]

Prayers for the Hellgun that one fella wants and some new patterns.
Give me my beloved Voss.

[gloomy kestrel]

etc

I'm expecting due to datamine they'll put in some variants of plasma/bolter, and there's a long las and melta sitting around in the files too

[warm idol]

halo and drg are like the only games I know that did battle passes right

[umbral scaffold]

You can find the long las in the Carnival actually.

[warm idol]

don't go away after the season

so no fomo

good rewards

[umbral scaffold]

Correct.

[gloomy kestrel]

yeah, that'd be the ideal way to do it

[umbral scaffold]

But knowing FS is bought out by Tencent China

Aint happening 💀

So count your prayers to the emperor.

[quasi glade]

What should I put on a Plasma Gun, Flak & Maniac?

[junior needle]

And since the boosts are percentage based, with the same setup for abusing nonstop headshots, you could get way more value with a gun that has better base stats.

[warm idol]

maniacs and unyielding iirc

[modern crescent]

battle passes of every kind are just dolled-up grind treadmills

[quasi glade]

ty

[frank ether]

keystone is dumb as fuck to begin with

[junior needle]

The IAG's can have better headshot dps, but a finesse gun doing like 3-4x the amount of bodyshot damage is absurd.

[grim walrus]

I do not think that Flak is that great since you will melt Gunners either way.
Unyielding and whatever else e.g. Specialist, Elite, Weakspot, Maniac.

[umbral scaffold]

Still better than the plasteel grind ingame right now

[quasi glade]

gotcha, ty

[umbral scaffold]

Ive gone through almost 2 million at this point and still miss blessings.

[warm idol]

the current crafting system is some of the worst ive seen in any video game

like holy fuck

[umbral scaffold]

At this point I just use the 5-6 guns I have on vet that are god rolled.

To get any enjoyment out of the games stupidly horrendous grind.

[modern crescent]

grind is a derogatory and should be treated as such

[warm idol]

I hate this obsession that devs have with "pLaYeR eNgAgEmEnT"

[umbral scaffold]

Id rather go brain afk in SWTOR and grind Medical Supplies for crafting for 2 hours driving in circles scanning plants

[midnight mortar]

Won't someone think of the investors and shareholders?! 😩

[umbral scaffold]

[junior needle]

Not the keystone, this thing. This is the biggest showcase dps cheater for vet.

[warm idol]

i'd rather go back to mining or trucking in elite

[gloomy kestrel]

its not a dev obsession with player engagement

[umbral scaffold]

lmao

[warm idol]

at least that shit is chill

[gloomy kestrel]

it's a cash shop impressions metric which is directly related to playtime

[umbral scaffold]

Rather go back to flying Cargo Runs in X4's Star Wars mod as an Imperial Gozanti Pilot

[frank ether]

I don't really take meat grinder experts seriously to begin with

lmao thats a funny sentence

I mean this used to be %50 you know

[junior needle]

Who up grindin they meat right now?

[umbral scaffold]

Did someone say grinder?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I3BUYUELi4

[midnight mortar]

I'm over here grindin' my meat.

[grim walrus]

Unyielding + Weakspot along Crit blessing has done wonders for me in the past.
One tapping Reapers and Bulwarks.

[sharp trail]

most powerful recon lasgun

[frank ether]

I'll use recons when they make them fun to use

dont really mind if they beat iags or not

but mechanically its competing for a similar niche except more boring to use

maybe blessings could add some spice

maybe shock trooper was a mistake and they should have made it a strong gun balanced around by ammo consumption or something

I dont fkin know

[junior needle]

IAG's are the recoil rollercoaster
Recons appear to be the ACR equivalent

[frank ether]

just mechanically it needs more interesting stuff going for it

like remember how they gave

deadly accurate to HH guns

[junior needle]

It definitely needs a tune up on the blessings as well.

[frank ether]

and it kinda just made them relevant

I think if infernus was spicier

maybe

[junior needle]

Well, the headhunter autoguns also got multiple rounds of buffs, and also stronger weapons got nerfed

[frank ether]

thats true

though thats number buffing

[gloomy kestrel]

the single shot headhunter feels derpy good now

[frank ether]

which may not need to be done for recon if blessings are strong enough to elevate it

[gloomy kestrel]

apart from it's terrible sights

[junior needle]

Oh no, we're not doing this again. I had enough of it with the power sword.

[frank ether]

lmao

well

ps is a little unique case though

nobody forced them to do PC4 the way they did

[junior needle]

Having the weapon feel like dogshit baseline and needing a particular blessing setup to make it not shit is bad design

Also ruins build diversity for the gun

[frank ether]

the bad design is crafting

[gloomy kestrel]

yup, it's like modding in warframe, if you have to have an augment for an ability to make it not dogshit, it should just be part of the base ability

[delicate moat]

both, both are bad

[frank ether]

If you make PC part of base power sword now it has two free blessing slots

and time to nerf its base stats

[gloomy kestrel]

I mean power sword DID have two swings initially

[modern crescent]

RPG elements and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race

[junior needle]

It had more than two swings

You could get 3 heavies base

[gloomy kestrel]

that was a bug iirc

[junior needle]

A "bug" they left in forever

[thorn yoke]

Power sword had 3 swings initially. Then they took it out

[gloomy kestrel]

it comes back occasionally and my sword stays on for like 4-5 swings

[junior needle]

Release psword was actually timer based, and then it was changed to swings

[frank ether]

Would you rather have them nerf base power sword because it can now take slaughterer+BM and has PC4 built in

[thorn yoke]

but you know. They "buffed" it by letting you cancel the charge animation with a guard

[frank ether]

you'd end up with a weapon that now has to stack some power blessing

which would suck ass

[thorn yoke]

that's something right?

[junior needle]

I'd rather it just get reworked altogether, I hate the current charging mechanic

[frank ether]

I'm ok with where current PS6 sits at

I dont love constantly having to charge it

[junior needle]

The constant charging needs to go, the p6 is quite good power wise

But the tedious bs detracts from the enjoyment

[ruby fulcrum]

I wish you could charge as part of combos to make it more fluid

[frank ether]

PS6 is fine

its one of the better weapon reworks

its a very powerful weapon and needs that weakness

you also lose energized if you get hit afaik

[grim walrus]

Same here, I only use the charge for mass clusters or tough hostiles.

[vivid bolt]

the special attack is meant to be special

its not something meant to be spammed smh

[gloomy kestrel]

the sword works finer for like groaners, etc without powering it

[vivid bolt]

like its

Light spam trash, heavy tougher and special elites

[empty creek]

claw is king

[frank ether]

you dont have to charge it for small groups

of weaker enemies

[vivid bolt]

and you shouldnt

[empty creek]

somehow can parry 40 pounds of concrete falling on ur head

can parry all overheads & shit

so kino

[gloomy kestrel]

well, a power weapon CAN do that

if it's on

you'd just obliterate the incoming weapon

[empty creek]

in-game

[delicate moat]

today i dodged into a location where my teammate was also dodging into

[vivid bolt]

tbh power sword is better offensively than a force sword simply due to PC existing lol

[delicate moat]

2 people got pancaked

[empty creek]

amazing defensive sword that can save entire runs VS muh PS6 that lets me kill a crusher in 2 stabs if im willing 2 set aside 4 seconds of my time & my whole ass in the open

BTFO claw wins

[vivid bolt]

so it not being absurdly goated rn is a good thing

[junior needle]

I don't think balancing weapons by making them feel bad to use is good game design. Like how they janked the bolter and the helbores.

[vivid bolt]

PS is literally in a good spot

[frank ether]

Your philosophy leads to a worse PS6 though

Its fine at where it is

literally no one would give a single shit if they could easily go and grab PC4

or if PC3 was essentially the same thing

[vivid bolt]

You'd have to huff some powerful fumes to think its weak by any means

[junior needle]

I did literally say it's quite good

But that I hate the janky charge mechanic

[frank ether]

I dont see how it wont lead to PC6 getting nerfs if they build PC4 into the base weapon

that leaves you with a free blessing slot

[radiant raptor]

how come the columnus autogun is popular rn? i've been seeing a lot of it

[vivid bolt]

PS6 has one of the best charge mechanics possible

[junior needle]

I hate the powersword charging thing overall

[vivid bolt]

You can literally charge it while blocking

[frank ether]

Its a good block weapon

though you are charged extra if you block back hits

[vivid bolt]

Meanwhile the equivalent on psyker and zealot for instance

Aka thunder hammers and force swords

[fair jay]

I’ve seen People calling for nerfs

[vivid bolt]

cannot do this

[forest blaze]

I wish chainaxe was good.

[frank ether]

dont you have the ability to block bullets on psyker force sword though?

[junior needle]

You don't rely on using the charge on the force swords and power weapons for every or nearly every swing

[fair jay]

As a blessing

[forest blaze]

With kinetic deflector, yes

[white minnow]

force swords don't need it

[frank ether]

it also doesnt need any revving to cleave basic enemies fine

[empty creek]

a few days ago i saw a dude make a good chaxe build, wish i could show U

[white minnow]

because they have better mobility and a faster activation

[forest blaze]

It’s probably still mid in AM/AD

[junior needle]

Well then if it gets "nerfed" it'll just be balanced by having another blessing slot open

[forest blaze]

Chainsword feels like it falls off at that level too, but not as hard. There’s just soooo many enemies

[slow spade]

Power sword should get back its +2 charged attacks so that we can have Slaughterer + Brutal Momentum power swords rolling around UwU

[frank ether]

I don't think you understand

having to stack up something like slaughterer wouldnt be as fun

[forest blaze]

I’d take PS just having one additional charge attack base. That’d help a ton

[empty creek]

yeah, if ur dedicating an entire class 2 making 1 thjng work instead of having a catch-all, it’s bad

[frank ether]

this just goes back to my earlier rant on why I hate marksman keystone and overall nerfs indirect effect on helbores

[whole moon]

Thinking of all the power weapons, should PC be listed for them all?

[forest blaze]

I’m fine with dedicating the build to making it work. It’s just that it still probably struggles against everything 😂

[slow spade]

wow you can't shitalk smite psykers like that UwU

[junior needle]

Having to chase a very hard to get blessing and have it on permanently on any power sword to make it worth using is better than stacking slaught naturally by killing things?

[empty creek]

is smite the lightning hands cuz that shit saves lives

[frank ether]

Having to go stack up power on a special weapon doesnt feel good

[slow spade]

the joke is they make their entire build around smite

[frank ether]

you want to hit a button and feel good

[empty creek]

mass stun 😍

[junior needle]

I don't feel good hitting that button every 3 attacks

[frank ether]

If I'm not hitting volley fire and one shotting a crusher there is no point in helbore 3 over helbore 1-2 for existing

[forest blaze]

I use PC3 still and have been doing fine in AM/AD. PC4 doesn’t exist. I just wish PC in general wasn’t a requirement to make the weapon usable. Base 2 swings with powered would be great

[slow spade]

Power sword would probably feel better if it had Devil Claw melee performance but charged attacks do the big damage like Deimos

would probably flow better

[frank ether]

If I'm not hitting that block attack on mk6 and obliterating some mauler but instead I have to go hit it 5 times to charge up slaughterer, thats just a lamer weapon. Thats a nerf.

[slow spade]

but it doesn't

so power spam it is

[forest blaze]

Deimos my beloved

[junior needle]

With the 6 your best attacks are the horizontals, so you aren't getting a terribly big downgrade with only pc3. The natural strength of the weapon in dealing with huge amounts of elites/specials in mixed hordes makes it feel better for that as well.

[radiant raptor]

so the most broken weapon in the game, gotcha

[whole moon]

I kinda wish you could pay Hadron in say Diamantine to upgrade a blessing you have on a wep. You could stick other restrictions on like unmodded slots only or something or no culling an upgraded blessing but at least it would make some stuff a little easier

[forest blaze]

Totally.

[ebon umbra]

got 863.2k ranged dmg with the plasma gun last game

[slow spade]

just remove power cycler as the previous convo mentioned

[forest blaze]

I wish I could snort diamantine like cocaine

[frank ether]

My games dont last long enough to do that much damage

maybe I need to play more quickplay

[ebon umbra]

LOL

[frank ether]

or do maelstorms more

[ebon umbra]

i only do mael for the 83k dockets or for fun

[delicate moat]

how long was ur mission?

[junior needle]

No ones saying you should need to have slaughter stacked at all times for the weapon to feel good.

[ebon umbra]

quick hunting grounds games too

[gloomy kestrel]

i technically did 800k plasma damage on my last auric damnation, but 400k of it was overkill

[forest blaze]

Haha. Those poxwalkers never saw you coming

[slim shard]

slightly silly question, what's the difference in lasbores?

[ebon umbra]

it was carnival and idk how long but i normally finish between 25-28 min

[frank ether]

They're not letting you have PC4 base for free without something to compensate for

[ebon umbra]

carnival plasteel farming

[junior needle]

You can balance the weapon in such a way that it's not gimped without rampage/slaughter active.

It's really not that hard

[delicate moat]

how tf u have that many enemies to deal 800k ranged dmg in 25 mins

[forest blaze]

Yah I figured. There’s sooooo much horde in carnival at AD+

[gloomy kestrel]

my 800k damage story was also on carnival lights out xD

[forest blaze]

Carnival horde shooting with plasma

[delicate moat]

oh

understandable, have a nice day

[midnight mortar]

Teammates farming hordes can result in this too as the mission drags on.

[frank ether]

teammates not farming is better

[forest blaze]

Yes. There’s a couple of spots you can get stuck with endless hordes in AD+ IIRC

[frank ether]

you get all the damage

[midnight mortar]

The number of people in auric damnation carnivals who don't realize the only way to stop the initial spawns is to do the objective.

[frank ether]

ye

endless horde

[midnight mortar]

Yeah there's some nasty pinch points too.

[frank ether]

I've seen people who insist on staying up there btw

like we jump down and some random ass zealot will be padding damage

[serene sage]

Carnival first section is rough but the rest of the ride is quite easy

[midnight mortar]

Definitely liable to get bogged down if your teammates aren't aware.

[serene sage]

and fun

[forest blaze]

I got stuck solo in a pinch and couldn’t PS my way out of it to get to the objective to stop the horde lmao. Just kept cutting down poxies and they just kept coming

[midnight mortar]

Hate.

[frank ether]

Yeah I just want to do missions at a swift pace

[ebon umbra]

i went down so rip

[forest blaze]

Yep. It was the first interrogator spot. There’s a window of time that if your team goes down you will have a really tough time pulling it back

[ebon umbra]

i try to rush obj less than 2:30 min

rush into table into 1 nade or teammate that is fast. grenade rush auspex

camp back right

two grenades usually is enough to stunlock the horde

shred

[forest blaze]

I use infil and frags exclusively now.

[frank ether]

I like stealth vet in carnival

[ebon umbra]

i just volley fire it

[frank ether]

lots of objectives to do

[ebon umbra]

can still rush obj

[frank ether]

so I cant quite trust teammates to do it in soloque

so I do it

[ebon umbra]

i only run carnival so lel

[forest blaze]

Enough objectives and bad players in QP that can cause an L

[ebon umbra]

mostly carnival

[serene sage]

I just had a slam dunk game with 800k+ damage

[frank ether]

lest we be stuck forever in the endless horde section

[frank ether]

thats where infiltrate shines at

[ebon umbra]

close the gates 🫡

[forest blaze]

Stay at the entrance and have someone anchor at the back by the door and all the spawns funnel to you. No gates needed

[frank ether]

unfortunate that I cant fit infiltrate modifiers on my deadshot build

[stuck bridge]

I find the first event usually harder than the finale tbh

[frank ether]

depends on group composition

[ebon umbra]

i do both.

[forest blaze]

Yeh. Several AD+ pubs lost there with people just dropping quickly because they can’t fight through endless hordes

[frank ether]

I find it difficult to do volley fire in earlier parts

[ebon umbra]

i might not need gates

[frank ether]

because teammates wont keep poxwalkers off of your ass while you shoot specials/gunners

so you have to do both

yourself

[forest blaze]

This is why I only do infil in QP

[ebon umbra]

camp back right if you can. you could also just hold it solo tbh

enemies only come from one direction and you wont get harassed from the second story

you get flanks off of special spawns from the right doors

ez

[forest blaze]

^^

[frank ether]

I dont think we talk about the same section

[elder spear]

Does anyone know if the crit chance for deadshot work with the plasma gun yet?

[ebon umbra]

[frank ether]

I'm talking about the one with multiple doors

[ebon umbra]

oh, which part

[forest blaze]

It doesn’t

[ebon umbra]

how many min in?

[frank ether]

like after you do the second breach charge

you jump down to an area

a device in the middle

[ebon umbra]

yeah

[forest blaze]

^^

[frank ether]

medicae in left corner

[ebon umbra]

im talking about that section

[forest blaze]

Interrogator event

[ebon umbra]

yup

[frank ether]

that room has bazillion doors

[ebon umbra]

yes

talking about that

[forest blaze]

That room has so many QP losses hahaha

[ebon umbra]

yup

[forest blaze]

People just can’t handle endless hordes

[ebon umbra]

just solo auspex b4 team comes

[forest blaze]

It’s when the shotty brigade comes from the right, the ragers from the left, and the poxburster conga from above

[ebon umbra]

yeah

thats why camping back right is great

you get a nice lineup on the shotgunners

you get great line of sight and a funnel on gunners and ragers

and you can shoot thru walls/spawn camp enemy spawns

[forest blaze]

I use infil, plasma, frags, so I just rotate and clear all specials.

[ebon umbra]

good grenade sight lines on the second floor and nice balcony pens

[frank ether]

no choice but to rotate

[ebon umbra]

its a dream

[frank ether]

when your teammates

split around

[forest blaze]

Yup

[frank ether]

and start folding

[ebon umbra]

true

[frank ether]

you gotta pick em up one by one while clearing specials and stuff

or the run is over

[forest blaze]

So I just rotate and roll with it

[delicate moat]

the teammates like to have 1 in each corner

[ebon umbra]

you can solo most elite spawns b4 they die usually

or rotate grenade camp spawn but that can be done quick

that part id def aclusterfuck

[forest blaze]

Just far enough to not be coherency 😂

[frank ether]

one small mercy this game has is bleedout when someone folds is forgiving enough

[serene sage]

What's your take on the open arena before the elevator on Carnival?

[frank ether]

that you can save them in time unless its like 4 crushers beating em

[delicate moat]

perfectly optimized

[serene sage]

That area is probably the most dangerous after the first section

[ebon umbra]

i love it

def v dangerous, easy to get surrounded

most players dont take advantage of sight lines and cover imo

[delicate moat]

wait which area is that?

[forest blaze]

The arena before the elevator can be real nasty but I haven’t hard lost there

[ebon umbra]

i have

[frank ether]

I think outside of some minor problems carnival is very good map

[forest blaze]

It’s the fog alleys with a DH and mutie/pox spam that gets us

[serene sage]

Right after the street with the medicae before you go into the elevator

[ebon umbra]

snipers daemonhost aggro with another boss, surrounded by crushers and maulers

kek

[delicate moat]

the massive open field?

[serene sage]

Yeah that

[forest blaze]

There’s always a monstrosity waiting for us there

[ebon umbra]

if people split up left and right it is so kek

[delicate moat]

isn't that quite trivial if dont rush in like an idiot

[serene sage]

Usually there are a lot of gunners and a DH in the middle protecting them

It depends on the spawn

[frank ether]

here is one reason why I'm jaded as helbore user

[forest blaze]

I usually get the DH in the fog alleys and that sucks booty

[serene sage]

But there could be checkmate combination

[frank ether]

I get to that open area

[delicate moat]

usually u can use some cover to pick off gunners one by one

[frank ether]

and end up doing poxwalker clearing while zealots and ogryns dump %50 of their ammo

[serene sage]

Like gunner and sniper hiding near DH

[frank ether]

clearing like 20 gunners

like bruh

[delicate moat]

but then DH is covering gunners its just ass

[frank ether]

I have a helbore

let me do it

[forest blaze]

The hard L area is the early interrogator event. The rest I can basically solo

[serene sage]

Yeah that's definitely the hardest

[delicate moat]

yeah the first interrogator is hardest

[gritty mirage]

yep thats the hardest part of the level

rest is pretty standard

[serene sage]

The street is fun

[forest blaze]

You get past that and I can carry 3 corpses to the finale

[serene sage]

The tunnel is fun

[ebon umbra]

ye

[frank ether]

I like that they put the difficult bit at the start

[gritty mirage]

i did a ventilation purge auric carnival today, fun times

[serene sage]

Finale needs more spawn

[gritty mirage]

so many snipers lol.

[forest blaze]

It’s so brutal right there lmfaob

[frank ether]

weed out the weak I like it

[serene sage]

We need like 2x melee elite spawn at the last section

[forest blaze]

Finale needs a monstrosity spawn imo.

[serene sage]

That too

[gritty mirage]

nothing quite like 10 red pointers aiming at your head from the fog

[forest blaze]

Like L4D2 finale

[frank ether]

I prefer missions that end 2 minutes to ones that end halfway in the middle lmao

if it has to fail dont make me suffer

[serene sage]

They should keep allowing players to hold up in that position

[delicate moat]

the carnival map has a bridge section, snipers like to spawn in some weird ass far away spots and insta snipe u if u go on top of the bridge

[serene sage]

But spawn monstros

[forest blaze]

For. Real. Then spiral staircase of doom is the one I don’t touch in AM

[ebon umbra]

fill out the peanut galley

i want every seat filled with shooters

fr

that will make breakouts crazy

[forest blaze]

Yes. There’s a couple windows at the top I didn’t know about

[gritty mirage]

we had a bubble psyker though, was extremely safe lol.

[forest blaze]

Circle spawn some gunners in the second level. That’d suck ass hard

[frank ether]

oh yea the bridge is where I flex with helbore

usually I can clear it before anything can reach

but some stuff come from under it

[forest blaze]

It’s my 360 noscope plasma trickshot area

[frank ether]

I like that the map varies some open areas

even though its mostly cqc

it gives certain builds time to shine

[serene sage]

New update probably will add Carnival variation

[delicate moat]

today i got insta sniped at end of the bridge by a sniper who just spawned in without the laser

[gritty mirage]

yea plasmas so fun in the bridge part

[serene sage]

Like we have on other maps

[gritty mirage]

snipe the snipers

[forest blaze]

I’m so in. Finale event at the integrator room

[frank ether]

I'm actually rly jealous of plasma penetration

fkin

[forest blaze]

It’s so good

[frank ether]

helbore 3 has a pen value of like 2

[gritty mirage]

plasma penetrate is insane, also great aim

[frank ether]

I'd like it a lot more if I could pen like 3-4 with a full charge

[gritty mirage]

its basically my nonscoped sniper rifle

[delicate moat]

wait which map is this?

[forest blaze]

I use focus target, so it’s just “that guys dead” “that guys dead” “that guys dead”

[serene sage]

So revolver has higher pen than Helbore?

[frank ether]

I think so

[forest blaze]

I forget. It’s the one with the fairly early building that goes up 3-4 flights of stairs in a spiral and there’s always a monstrosity that spawns on it.

[frank ether]

another L for helbore 3 this patch

cant even nuke crushers anymore

well actually it can

but you need volley fire + 8-9 stacks of marksman focus

[gritty mirage]

oh i know which one you are talking about. the assasination mission @forest blaze

[frank ether]

I guess the real L will be when they ''fix'' bromentum to not work on bayonets

[forest blaze]

I think so. It’s the vertical gauntlet of doom because the upper levels can all shoot down at you

[frank ether]

when they do that I'll fold and make a revolver

cause at that point hb is dead

[serene sage]

I have no idea which one this is. Chasm Terminus one?

With the heretic train?

[forest blaze]

Idk maybe. I’m bad with map names. Not the train. Train is fine imo

[delicate moat]

Is it the one that has like 2 platforms, where the upper platform u need to wait for a gate to spiral staircase to be unlocked?

[forest blaze]

No. Give me 3

[delicate moat]

I've resorted to the ogryn map name mod, serves me very well

[torn tulip]

hey guys, is there a build simulator where it auto calculates all your damages and health, etc ?

[serene sage]

No

There are breakpoints calculator

But no such thing as damage and health

[junior needle]

There's also a mod that lets you test custom weapons in the psyk

[torn tulip]

whats a breakpoints calculator?

[gritty mirage]

how many shots it takes to kill a enemy efficiently basically, altho i dont use it

[serene sage]

Erm it calculates how many shots to kill something

It's not very user friendly

[frank ether]

you might find it easier by eyeballing it aka just testing stuff in meat grinder

[serene sage]

And tbh you should use the meat grinder to test

Yeah

[frank ether]

if you're dumb at math like me

that works easier

[gritty mirage]

yea im not a math person, i just shoot things lol.

[junior grail]

At least I can have fun bayonetting as helbore now

[gritty mirage]

oh hey crusher dies in 3 shots, noted acceptable damage* me in grinder*

[neon briar]

how do you use the breakpoint calc with class talents?

[amber portal]

what wep has to lowest ammo reserve (for make every shot count)

[forest blaze]

@serene sage yah idk I can’t find it. I can’t stand the map names and I can never remember them

[junior grail]

Revolver is good

[lilac eagle]

Has to be revolver

[torn tulip]

@serene sage https://dt.wartide.net/calc/ this?

[gritty mirage]

revolvers amazing for quick scope shots

[lilac eagle]

My problem is why on Earth would I want to use a shitty revolver when I have Las or bolters

Distinct lack of power fantasy

[amber portal]

cause penances exist

[gritty mirage]

haha. well it hits really hard

[serene sage]

Yup

[gritty mirage]

well thats why i rock the plasma gun

the amount of enemies i can chunk is amazing

plus i appreciate the knockback on rager/crusher crowds

give my team some breathing space and i shout to knock some more down

[lilac eagle]

I'd want a melta, but I honestly have no idea what would make it different to plasma

[elder vessel]

Shoot a Shotgunner, kill his grandma

[serene sage]

You shout to help teammates
I shout to stack Boltgun Pinning Fire
We are not the same

[grave cargo]

Ragers are incredibly inconsistently staggered

[torn tulip]

thanks looks nice instead of opening the game and testing in meat grinder

[grave cargo]

Apparently the push attack from the chainsword can stagger a rager in combo

But a force sword push attack can't

🤔

[gritty mirage]

yea ive pushed ragers before with my chainsword but its inconsistent

it just gives me time to swap and shoot

[grave cargo]

Did they nerf the force sword push or is the chainsword push attack just weirdly overtuned sometimes

[gritty mirage]

sometimes they dont care

[lilac eagle]

They're random af, I just back dodge until they finish the combo

[torn tulip]

Is there any veteran only discord server to play with ?

[gritty mirage]

yea same, i just backdodge and avoid their swipes and whip out my plasma gun

[frank ether]

I cant wait for them to add longlas and for it to suck dick with the marksman keystone

[lilac eagle]

What's heavy Las again

Sniper right?

[frank ether]

meant longlas

[lilac eagle]

Yeh

Eeeeh

[frank ether]

there is one in the carvinal btw

Idk if you've seen it

[gritty mirage]

theres only a few places where the longlas will stand out right?

[frank ether]

sitting on a table somewhere

[gritty mirage]

yea plush

[lilac eagle]

Regular las has effectively the same range

[gritty mirage]

unless you can no scope it anyways

[frank ether]

regular las will also proc the keystone easier

since it has fuck all to do with your accuracy

just volume of fire

[lilac eagle]

All the vet keystones feel awful to me

[gritty mirage]

i have the target one, it helps pretty slightly on annoying bosses

[leaden musk]

Anyone know the best blessings for a kantrael la Las

[lilac eagle]

Standing still is less effective now camo isn't a thing, you just get shot up

[gritty mirage]

well its not the bosses thats a problem, its the huge mobs/special patrol pouring in on auric with the boss lol. gotta clear either one fast

[lilac eagle]

The marking thing is like, just a liiiiiitttle too extra for me to enjoy it

[frank ether]

All they had to do was make marksman give +stacks on hit and lose stacks on missing and somehow they messed even that up

[gritty mirage]

right?

[frank ether]

instead whatever can rapid fire and sprint faster works the best with it

which happens to be weapons like recon, laspistol, iag etc

[lilac eagle]

What's the third one again. Kill something with your gun, get empowered melee?

[junior grail]

Camo should be changed up completely, instead of "dont move so you will get shot" it should be "don't get shot"

[gritty mirage]

swap keystone basically

[frank ether]

weapon master is very good for melee veteran

all you have to do is get one ranged kill

and you go berserk for 10 seconds

[lilac eagle]

Why would I play melee vet when Zealot exists

[junior grail]

Weapon specialist very fun

[gritty mirage]

im sure i would have a great use for it actually, but its not in my build parameters that i prefer

[lilac eagle]

Man has better melee options and shouty ability

[frank ether]

melee gameplay already consists of occasional weapon swaps to deal with approaching elites and other ranged foes

[gritty mirage]

i swap between my chainsword and plasma all the time

[junior grail]

Melee Vet also gets a stronger ranged attack after melee kills

100% ranged crit after melee kills

[frank ether]

also the modifiers for it sound bad at first glance

but for some weapons

they are very strong

[lilac eagle]

I'd rather just build straight ranged damage and weak spot damage, then 2 shot bulwarks

[gritty mirage]

well on auric you'll be swapping weapons constantly anyways.

[frank ether]

revolver, shotguns

iags

[gritty mirage]

the mobs are so large you need breathing space.

[frank ether]

these all synergize well with weapon specialist

[lilac eagle]

I honestly find none-auric harder

[junior grail]

You'd be surprised and missing out hahaha

[gritty mirage]

well the non auric people are more janky lol. although some aurics recently have been interesting too

[lilac eagle]

That could be it

[frank ether]

thats what left vet tree has and would you look at that its also the worst vet tree lmao

[gritty mirage]

by interesting i mean yeeting me off ledges with barrels or the crazed zealot running 2 rooms ahead lol.

[lilac eagle]

Call me boring but I enjoy shooting on the shooter class

[junior grail]

Problem with Tide games, you can't ever go full ranged

[gritty mirage]

i can understand the battle lust though. i appreciate great knife zealots, those are wonderful to witness

[frank ether]

I can shoot my gun more on my shout/infiltrate vet because I dont die instantly

[gritty mirage]

the bad ones are really bad tho lol

[frank ether]

sharpshooter vets they tend to build like glass too

so they die

like

all the damn time

[lilac eagle]

So it's a skill issue

[gritty mirage]

yea sharpshooter vets die in a few swipes from pox hordes lmao

[lilac eagle]

People require the stealth and melee talents to actually be useful huh

[feral jetty]

hey vets

how we doin

[gritty mirage]

im doing great

[lilac eagle]

Can't just learn some positioning or how to dodge with your gun?

[junior grail]

Lol Soni be trying to trigger

[frank ether]

If you can't melee you're a detriment yea

[feral jetty]

good to hear

[fluid steppe]

Not really. If u want executioner stance to work, u really need a semi decent team to give u that distance

[lilac eagle]

Nah you're just saying left tree is the worst when it's really not

It just sounds like a skill issue

[junior grail]

Left tree is the worst tho

[gritty mirage]

good players will make it work

[feral jetty]

hopefully yall are having a good night cause if you're not i'ma give you an ogryn™️ hug

[frank ether]

I dont need 3 ammo passives and suppression immunity to be able to shoot my gun

[gritty mirage]

im not the spotlight type of player though, i prefer heavy team support so shout works perfectly for me

[lilac eagle]

Iunno bro, I use my gun for 99% of the time. I point blank the people in melee with me

[lilac eagle]

Don't run that either lol

[serene sage]

No you will DPS and you will like it

[lilac eagle]

The ammo stuff sure

[gritty mirage]

i mean im still dps lol

plasma melts everything

[feral jetty]

I always liked vet shout and i'm sad it got bonked down to 50 toughness but I guess it was kinda OP lol

[gritty mirage]

but im busy watching my teammates positioning too

[feral jetty]

and made the zealot support ability kinda meh

[gritty mirage]

50 is just fine

[fluid steppe]

Got video for that?

[gritty mirage]

i got used to the nerf already

[frank ether]

50 is fine

[junior grail]

Plasma middle tree does as much damage as left tree

[tall torrent]

What happened to the server today

[lilac eagle]

I'll play a couple matches tonight and record them

[serene sage]

50 toughness is 50 toughness

[feral jetty]

I know it's fine i'm just gonna miss getting the team to like, +400 toughness during a pox hound swarm

complete meme

[gritty mirage]

400 toughness was just broken and you know it lmao.

[lilac eagle]

DM me, I'll forget after I smoke

[serene sage]

I'm curious too on how people play XStance vets

[frank ether]

so does bolter if you can use the mid keystone

[grave cargo]

What is with auric randos being completely incapable of killing specials oh my god

[feral jetty]

i'm not saying it wasn't tho

huh

[gritty mirage]

XD

i know it is

[feral jetty]

I know it's better for the game

to have 50

[grave cargo]

Why do I have 75% of special kills

[feral jetty]

instead of 100 lol

[nimble sentinel]

FINALLY someone else notices it

[frank ether]

plasma just nutty rn but you dont need that to make middle build pop

[grave cargo]

I am juggling 3 flamers please

[feral jetty]

i'm confused

[serene sage]

It's fun to carry as long as the team is heavy but not "too heavy"

[nimble sentinel]

I'm dumping all my ammo into every flamer and grenadier that ever spawns and runs fail the moment I go down

[gritty mirage]

i used to infiltrate vet, but then i realized im just giving aggro to my teammates

so i swapped to middle lol

[solar sky]

I'm working on a new guide for executioners stance. It's tricky to get used to, but taking a good defensive melee weapon and hanging around your team helps offset not having shout of infiltrate

[grave cargo]

Infiltrate is fine as long as you use that aggro juggle to kill dangerous enemies tbh

[south prairie]

Plasma penetration is damn good too

[feral jetty]

I wish tauntgryn was good lol

just literally no reason to run taunt over charge

at the current moment

[lilac eagle]

Power sword is the best melee

[frank ether]

if you're not pulling aggro it doesnt matter

[lilac eagle]

Even after the nerfs it's horde clear is insane

[gritty mirage]

fair enough

[frank ether]

I use it to reset toughness

[grave cargo]

Tauntgryn isn't bad, it can pull boss aggro

[torn tulip]

send heretics to teammates lol

[nimble sentinel]

in all fairness, shield ogryns CC psykers and zealots SHOULD be able to handle the aggro

[frank ether]

there are many ways you can instantly lose all your toughness

[final rapids]

Can attest

[frank ether]

both shout and infil will instantly give you toughness

[nimble sentinel]

and yet...

[gritty mirage]

yea i love my tauntgryn

[final rapids]

The other ogryns say its the worst active

[grave cargo]

It's not bad

[final rapids]

But they are all sissies

[frank ether]

and both mid and right keystones have easy toughness replenishment methods

[grave cargo]

I just can't use taunt to cross a map to kill annoying sniupers

[gritty mirage]

pft they dont know the power of taunt

[frank ether]

left tree does not

[grave cargo]

So I don't take it

[feral jetty]

I mean if you're not able to dodge boss attacks especially plague ogryn and beast, seems kinda mid

[grave cargo]

Nah

[lilac eagle]

I'm forever upset they gave my instant reload keystone to the Ogryns

[gritty mirage]

pulling a angry plague ogryn away from the angry special mob is so important at times

[grave cargo]

Bosses arent' scary until they are

Getting cornered by a BoN or a chaos spawn can be bad

[torn tulip]

ogryn

[lilac eagle]

Unloading 30 rounds of bolter into a horde was the greatest feeling

[grave cargo]

if nothing else you can pull aggro just to stunlock it

[final rapids]

Btw I finally tried the new shotguns
And I already adore the lawbringer

[gritty mirage]

especially in investigation level with the scanning

[final rapids]

And yknow what's way cooler than birdshot

[gritty mirage]

so many plague ogryns on stairs with mauler crusher packs

[grave cargo]

But it can be pretty useful and really nice when there's say

[feral jetty]

you can stucklock it anyway lol

[grave cargo]

Groups of ragers

[feral jetty]

with slaps

[final rapids]

Fucking dragonfire rounds

I fucking love the Kantreal shotgun

[grave cargo]

That's what I mean yes

You gotta slap the head

So if it's not aggro'd on you that can be hard

[feral jetty]

yeah so if you can stunlock it with slaps what's the point of taunt

[lilac eagle]

AoE

[grave cargo]

Ergo, taunt into stunlock is pretty nice

[feral jetty]

charge

like yeah you can't charge through bosses but eh

[frank ether]

not for your teammates

[feral jetty]

slap the bitchface

[frank ether]

after you run out of ammo 90 seconds into the mission

[lilac eagle]

Iunno. I use the gun talent and run a ripper gun

[south prairie]

Taunt can also buff dmg

[grave cargo]

But really, tauntgryn is very solid, it has pretty respectable range and really it's just nice to have

[gritty mirage]

its preference on playstyle

[feral jetty]

it's worse than soften em up

[grave cargo]

I'm never sad to see a tauntgryn

[feral jetty]

cause of the long ass CD

[grave cargo]

Esp if they have shield and block taunt

[south prairie]

Why not both?

[lilac eagle]

Tauntgryn would appeal if literally any of the Ogyrn melee weapons were good

[frank ether]

Ogryn players have the same thing they shoot at EVERYTHING

[grave cargo]

Cause they can run into a room and lock an entire squad of shooters

[lilac eagle]

Man's got 6 types of club

[feral jetty]

believe me I would kill to have taunt be good

but I just don't see it

[grave cargo]

It's really nice if you're running a glass cannon build

[feral jetty]

I wanna be the tanky boi

[grave cargo]

Really takes a lot of impetus off you

[feral jetty]

with slab shield

but charge just does it better

did they turn off emotes lol

[frank ether]

doesnt taunt apply damage taken debuff to enemies

[grave cargo]

Yes

[frank ether]

hows that not good

[feral jetty]

feh

[grave cargo]

Usually it's just overkill

[feral jetty]

because you have soften em up

[south prairie]

Man i woulda loved for taunt to have big ass radius and for shield to actually block shots for people behind you

[frank ether]

you nerf gunner IQ to single digits and make them die instantly

[feral jetty]

more than enough

[frank ether]

what more do you need

[grave cargo]

Well currently, the pushing/blocking perk works on ranged enemies

So if you plant the shield basic shooters and shotgunners will be aggro'd

And that forces them into melee

Because taunt forces enemies into melee

[nimble sentinel]

unpopular opinion af, I fkin hate the power sword so goddamn much

[grave cargo]

Gunners and snipers and such will still shoot because they don't have melee weapons

[feral jetty]

I want nothing more than to taunt an entire room and push forward with blocking with smol bois behind me

[lilac eagle]

Ogryn NEEDS a special attack off planting the shield

[frank ether]

thats fine

[gritty mirage]

i cant get power cycler 4 so im sticking with chainsword @nimble sentinel

[frank ether]

it doesnt have to be for everyone

[lilac eagle]

Give me a big ass shield smash coming out of the block

[grave cargo]

Powersword is disgustingly OP now yes

You only really need 3

[frank ether]

Its not

[nimble sentinel]

I have to hit a button, wait a second and a half, and only because of a mandatory blessing I get to swing 3 whole times for okay damage

[south prairie]

Me too man, me too

[lilac eagle]

Wait again?

[grave cargo]

Basically yeah

[nimble sentinel]

I cannot dodge, I cannot NOT hit that button, all I can do is slash

[lilac eagle]

Nice

[grave cargo]

Sunder/BM + PC3 or 4 and yeah