veteran-class

[umbral flame]

ideal mg xii

does vet still have a 10% base crit chance over everyone else's 5% these days?

[serene sage]

No it's 5% niw

[urban steppe]

just tell me why ? why we still not get this cosmetics for veteran

[serene sage]

You can kinda have that

With the mortis set

And the helmet

It looks pretty close

[shell widget]

nope I can't take professional vet anymore, making a new loose cannon vet

[umbral flame]

I gave up an expectation of reason or comittment to promises a long time ago

[urban steppe]

its sounds like you were want adidas but getting abibas

[umbral flame]

maybe we'll be able to craft it :)

[serene sage]

Lmao

[midnight mortar]

Thing is it's not close enough in the one way that matters, having a fully enclosed head.

The closest one we get is one without the goddamn head/neck cover.

Making the mask functionally worthless.

And the Vanguard pack giving us just the mask.

And will probably make Vets bald.

Like every other damn cosmetic they put out without fixing.

[umbral flame]

at this point its funnier that the helmet they marketed heavily upon, shown in game, have released merch for and is on the cover of the game + title screen hasn't even been acknowledged by fat shark

[midnight mortar]

Meanwhile on the forums...

[umbral flame]

this is the closest you'll get to owning it

the john darktide action figure

[urban steppe]

there is not only helmet which we dont got it , cheast body part too

[umbral flame]

idk non tencent chestpieces are all pretty similar anyways

[acoustic wyvern]

they actually made toys for this?

[umbral flame]

licensed out to a company but ye

[acoustic wyvern]

better get one and keep it for 20+ years

[urban steppe]

looks nice but that laspistol on shotgunner kills me

[dim niche]

wheres the talent where vet regens ammo after killig specialiost

wjats the name for it

[umbral flame]

survivalist?

[urban steppe]

left side yellow passive no ?

[urban steppe]

👆

[celest vine]

Its warhammer, literally everything about this universe is made to sell unposable plastic or resin toys

[restive storm]

wtf is the "ranged finesse power" for the focus keystone

[thick rose]

how does on install plugins for scoreboard?

is it just a replacement for the standard mod or do the files go inside the scoreboard mod?

[restive storm]

and does this mean for every shot/stack, or just the first? wording is very unclear

[whole moon]

are there any other blessings other than Limbsplitter and BM that carry over to the HB2 bayonet?

[thick rose]

oic. overthought it...

ty.

[dapper vessel]

3 stacks is a 100% crit. Buy you only get 1 shot that would crit

[restive storm]

alright

[thick rose]

grenaayyaade

[autumn perch]

whats the good columnus?

[sharp epoch]

infantry columbus

[celest vine]

Chris

[mellow sable]

Any way to make On Overwatch easier?

[autumn perch]

and what rolls do u want on iag columnus?

[mellow sable]

Or is it all just skill and awareness?

[umbral flame]

play with good team mates

[whole moon]

is On Overwatch the no melee damage one?

[mellow sable]

Yeah

[umbral flame]

ye

voice of command might be good as a panic button

[mellow sable]

That's what I was thinking although exce stance is so much fun

[whole moon]

I managed it with double smoke nades (probably useless), Infiltrate and a Plasma gun on Assasination. Had to go careful and it was with pubs. There is a cheese for it tho

[umbral flame]

ye I'm split between the 2 but infiltrate is for nerds

[mellow sable]

Long cool down too

[stone tapir]

yea im not a fan of infiltrate so far

imo its the weakest of the 3

[grave cargo]

Is combat knife good for vet

[mellow sable]

Marksman keystone isn't all that much fun

[grave cargo]

And if so what's good for it

[stone tapir]

once you go chainsword you never go back

[umbral flame]

if you build around it ye

lots of fun

[grave cargo]

Sure but what's good perks for it

[stone tapir]

safe bet would be weakspot dmg increase, crit, and bleed stacks.

[viral trench]

keep or trash

[mellow sable]

Does bleed have any utility for vet or just DOT?

Not bad I'd say keep it

[stone tapir]

keep, bless it up, then turn it in for the blessings. stub isnt very useful unless youre a die hard on it

[flat pebble]

combat knife works for the vet but it has the same problem it has in the zealot which is the amount of effort you have to put in to the weapon in reactive gameplay is not commensurate to the results it gets

[mellow sable]

Nothing below 50 is really good

[flat pebble]

it is a fun weapon to use though

[viral trench]

its not my thing but you never know how the meta will change.

so wanted to know if worth keeping and blessing up

[mellow sable]

Been addicted to boltgun lately

[stone tapir]

yea dont get me wrong, i enjoy derping with the stub sometimes. but the recon laz, bolt, and pladma outpace it remarkably

[viral trench]

I am having fun with this.

[mellow sable]

Was never a fan of recon las

[flat pebble]

i mean the revolver has a totally different role compared to the recon las and bolter

[mellow sable]

Prob haven't used it enough tho

[restive storm]

counterpoint: shotgunner is in front of me and I don't want that

or gunner

or sniper halfway across the map

[stone tapir]

recon las is a blast in high intensity

[mellow sable]

Bolt does it better

[restive storm]

it sucks for consistent fighting, but stub gives so much snap reaction

[viral trench]

dodge and spam hip fire to the head watch it stagge to death.

[restive storm]

slow to pull out

[stone tapir]

pladma and bolt get the same results but better

[flat pebble]

massive pen and easy ohks on most priority targets is something revolver does the best in the game

and plasma outperforms it primarily in volume

[viral trench]

recon laz 101

[flat pebble]

bolter for immediate priority targets? by the time you pull it out they’re theee zip codes away or already hitting you

[restive storm]

or you're dead

[stone tapir]

theres your first problem, you put it away

[flat pebble]

revolver and boltgun and not comparable guns

[viral trench]

yeah the bolter needs to have that prep time fucked off.

[restive storm]

that's the drawback of a death gun

[flat pebble]

this is how you run out of ammo in four minutes and start making it the team’s problem

[mellow sable]

Three zipcodes I can do, do 70m snipe's on the daily

[mellow sable]

I feel that

[stone tapir]

here for a good time not a long time

[viral trench]

a win is a win

[celest vine]

I figured out why we, as rejects, kick the shit out of trained traitor guardsmen

[flat pebble]

which you wouldn’t need to snipe in the first place if you had a revolver because they be dead the moment you wanted them to be

[viral trench]

ooo matt

[flat pebble]

don’t get me wrong i love bolter

but it’s got drawbacks and revolver has strengths

bolter has it in sheer volume of burst dps

[viral trench]

tell him to get back to writing more ultramarine fanfic.

[mellow sable]

Sniper spawns, pain in my ass

Across the bridge just before the ampi in carnival pop em in the dome

[umbral scaffold]

We all have names?

[celest vine]

His wikipedia article says he contributed to darktide

💀

[umbral scaffold]

Oh matt ward

[flat pebble]

the recoil settle is so weird on the boltgun i don’t even really like using it as a dmr anymore

especially since patch 13 when it lost a bunch of easy ohk breakpoints

[stone tapir]

yea, every weapon does. just some become more a burden in most cases. a lot of the time higher DPS is much more important than being precise

[flat pebble]

the bolter needs some tuning imo

[mellow sable]

Imma keep using it till I can get a good las gun

[umbral scaffold]

I see so few bolter vets now but I salute whoever still runs it

[flat pebble]

pinning fire and the health pools being increased hurt it pretty significantly and the finesse buff didn’t really do enough

[gusty bison]

Its a solid weapon if ur feeling lazy but if ur going for headshots the vraks 7 is a better weapon

[flat pebble]

at this point plasma is kinda just the better gun for the role it’s just got a learning curve

[stone tapir]

i interchange it with my las rifle pretty often'

[mellow sable]

It's the best weapon I got so I just run it

Don't have a good autogun or las

[flat pebble]

i mean it’s fun and it’s still viable so whatever

[gusty bison]

Bolter's main draw is you can be lazy with it. Not as lazy as plasma sure, but its one of the few vet guns that dont need consistent headshots to perform well

[flat pebble]

my biggest complaint is that it’s too ammo hungry for the performance

[gusty bison]

Bolter?

Bolter is ammo efficient as all hell

Assuming survivalist

1 bullet out. 1 bullet back

[flat pebble]

im not

[gusty bison]

Oh yea thats why

[umbral scaffold]

Personally Im too stuck in my Generic Guardsman ways so hardly ever switch off inf auto/lasgun and cant see myself handling the ammo economy tbh

[flat pebble]

because i’m also thinking from zealot viewpoint

[umbral flame]

probably a dumb question but earned blessings from the chain axe don't carry over to the chain sword right?

[umbral scaffold]

Too used to not getting 1:1 returns on ammo

[flat pebble]

i 50/50 zealot and vet at this point

[gusty bison]

Zealot hates bolter. Doesnt fit their playstyle

Its really hard to swap to and bolter doesnt hit breakpoints for them

[flat pebble]

heavy sword+bolter used to among the most meta things you could run in damnation on zealot

[gusty bison]

Bolter is nearly 1:1 on most elites and all specials

[umbral scaffold]

Thats the issue I face

[gusty bison]

Well thats cos pinning fire was busted. Bolter always was an awkward weapon on zealot

[flat pebble]

bolter was the best oh shit for packs for the zealot for ages

and it had generous enough ohk breakpoints then to be used as a dmr

[umbral scaffold]

I really enjoy running survivalist and using autogun/lasgun so I can effectively have infinite ammo while making sure the rest of the squad doesnt

[gusty bison]

Cos it takes forever to pull out

[mellow sable]

I do find it rather funny to run up to a crusher and mag dump don't care that it's dumb I enjoy it

[umbral scaffold]

Having to keep my own ammo in mind again will throw me off

[gusty bison]

Bolter tbf with survivalist is almost inf ammo

As long as u dont mag dump

[stone tapir]

thats all that matters in the end. just have fun

[whole moon]

gah, all the way to the final arena and the pubs setup too far forward in the corridor, overrun from behind by trappers, mission fail.

[flat pebble]

it was the most reliable can opener for zealot, very big disagree

[umbral scaffold]

Maybe the issue is really that I just havent used the bolter in a bit considering magdump was still the go-to strat last time I really used it

[gusty bison]

Nah. That was the thunderhammer

[flat pebble]

pinning fire obviously was busted but it wasn’t leveraging pinning fire like the auto pistol was

[umbral scaffold]

I should probably revisit it with a new perspective

[flat pebble]

ranged* can opener

[gusty bison]

Uh. +100% power

With basically perma uptime

[flat pebble]

pinning fire doesn’t affect ohk breakpoints

[gusty bison]

Yes it does

[stone tapir]

im so glad they added the faster thunder hammer.

[mellow sable]

What is a good zealot weapon

[flat pebble]

you’re being difficult, you know what i mean

[robust mesa]

just pick up the nearest vet and swing him/her around

[gusty bison]

Cos its hilariously easy to keep up on higher difficulties

[robust mesa]

they're all over the floor

[gusty bison]

You shoot one guy. Bam. Pinning fire 5 stacks

[stone tapir]

i happily take the lower base dmg for a higher dmg rate

[junior grail]

Does sliding while holding bayonet stab makes you faster?

[flat pebble]

it didn’t need pinning fire to perform in zealot is my point

[gusty bison]

Ranged? The shotguns and laspistol are highly rated

Revolver is ok on zealot

IAGs are also good

[mellow sable]

Shotgun gotta give that a try

[gusty bison]

Basically zealot wants fast swap speed

[mellow sable]

No wonder zealot is so hard

[flat pebble]

agri brauto also honorable mention

[gusty bison]

Oh yea brautos for zealot gud

[mellow sable]

I've been running bolter all this time

[gusty bison]

Avoid guns that take ages to pull out

Cos zealot often is in situations where that isnt feasible

[flat pebble]

bolter just isn’t worth using on zealot anymore unless you’re using it with a very specific intent and role in your build

[stone tapir]

for zealot, your range is basically just to keep dps going while you close for melee

[gusty bison]

Flamer is... honestly not that great atm

[flat pebble]

basically a good way to treat your ranger on zealot is your special/elite deleter. so the fast swap high dps stuff is your best bet. outside of the mk 3 hh and maybe the 7 avoid marksman rifles

flamer is just really hard to justify as a dedicated horde clear gun in this meta

[mellow sable]

Cuz it sucks at it

[stone tapir]

flamer has become a derp weapon at this point

[flat pebble]

ranged threats that are outside its ranged are so prevalent in high difficulty and you should be able to deal with close to mid ranged enemies with your melee weapon so flamer is kind of a trap at this point

and outside of thammer largely i feel like is occupying a slot

[stone tapir]

still fun to use though

[gusty bison]

Thammer horde clear got buffed anyway

[stone tapir]

nothing better than lighting an entire room on fire

[flat pebble]

i just use ironhelm which has great horde clear with the special

problem solved

[flat pebble]

dclaw glow up truly legendary

[flat pebble]

undeniably fun gameplay experience meta conversation aside

purifying light etc etc

[radiant raptor]

dodging to make space yourself and then pulling it out isn't an option? you shouldn't be pulling out your gun if you're surrounded

[gusty bison]

Its zealot. They often need to pull out their gun when they are surrounded to kill a trapper

Meleeing a trapper is far too dangerous

[radiant raptor]

you dodge the trapper?

regardless i use the throwing knives for those reasons anyway

[gusty bison]

You eventually need to kill it somehow xD

[flat pebble]

imagine trusting your team enough to use throwing knives

i need stuns for when i inevitably need to make space rezzing/rescuing them

[stuck crystal]

There is only one ranged weapon for Zealot

https://tenor.com/view/doggo-big-iron-gif-19017452

[radiant raptor]

i use throwing knives cuz i don't trust teammates to kill flamers and trappers lol

[whole moon]

My favourite solution to Vet problems right now

[thick rose]

which dclaw do people like most?

[whole moon]

IV

[radiant raptor]

if people go down during a horde, they can wait until we can get them

[flat pebble]

it’s this feeling that makes me never not run revolver or laspistol

[gusty bison]

Helbore is the new meta vet melee weapon

[flat pebble]

it is fun gun pokin folks

[cinder oar]

do either of the powerswords get more than when swing when charged?

[stuck crystal]

With Power Cycler, yes

[flat pebble]

swing charges is determined by a blessing called power cycler

base charges always 1

[cinder oar]

Ahhh okay sweet, thanks for that

[whole moon]

PC IV will give you three charged hits total, misses don't count 😉

[flat pebble]

it’s pretty mandatory for the weapon all things being equal

[cinder oar]

Yeah screw running it without it, thanks for that guys

[flat pebble]

power sword very fun once you get it though definitely keep an eye out for it

[cinder oar]

yeah for sure, is the chain axe any good?

[flat pebble]

ehhhhhh

[cinder oar]

I kinda wanted to dick around with other weapons but that one doesn't look like its worth the investment

[flat pebble]

it’s a surprisingly difficult weapon to use only for its performance to not be very good in the first place

[karmic musk]

Good sign of red flag:
When nobody but you pings the 3 Ragers in the smoke after you breach in Carnival

[flat pebble]

chain sword got great buffs recently though

depending on how we use the word recent

[whole moon]

I tried to like the ChAxe, I really did, I much prefer the ChSword

[stuck crystal]

MkII Hellbore feels a bit meh after using a III for so long

What's the II better at than the III?

[whole moon]

Try it's special attack

[cinder oar]

I normally just shoot into the smoke LOL

[flat pebble]

special attack, seems it also handles faster?

[stuck crystal]

Yeah, but my MKIII pretty much oneshots everything it needs to

[flat pebble]

also i think i heard it has better hip fire damage

[stuck crystal]

And the II needs more hits

[flat pebble]

but i really know seldom little about the helbore mechanics

[stuck crystal]

I was thinking maybe I was overkilling with the III, but it seems like I'm not

[gusty bison]

Higher rate of fire

[flat pebble]

the 2 is mostly an anti shooter rifle

[whole moon]

The 2 is weaker yes, with a faster charge but that melee attack it has right now is pretty OP and you can still shoot w it

[flat pebble]

the 3 you can kinda shoot whatever the fuck you want

[gusty bison]

Its also good into all specials and most elites

The mk 2

Its weaker vs ogryns and ragers but

Not by much

[stuck crystal]

Yeah, just by playing around with it though it seems like my build suits the III way better

[flat pebble]

yeah i just have understood the helbore 2 has generous shooter breakpoints or something

not that it can’t be used against elites and specials

[stuck crystal]

I sacrifice some ranged damage for toughness regen and the III helps me still hit breakpoints

[tall torrent]

Higher firerate
Better a sustained fire (without shock trooper)
Better bayonet moveset

[marsh cargo]

i keep seeing breakpoints being used what does it mean?

[stuck crystal]

Means you do enough damage to kill your target in a single (or fewer) shots

[tall torrent]

A specific damage value that allows u to kill important targets in less hits

[flat pebble]

breakpoints as a term indicate passing a threshold, usually a damage threshold

[stuck crystal]

I'll keep my 380 Mk II around for an executioner stance spam build, I guess

If Hadron doesn't brick it

It's still grey

[flat pebble]

but like for example 51 mobility is the breakpoint on weapons for their last dodge

[flat pebble]

yeah i mean if u treat it like a mg12 with a pointy thing at the end of it that’s kind of the idea

it’s ok

[karmic musk]

Can it even kill Shooters on body shot without Exe Stance

I always have to 2 shot them, made me move to the III

[flat pebble]

with surgical? probably

[karmic musk]

So its unreliable

[tall torrent]

No

[flat pebble]

surgical is incredibly reliable

[cinder oar]

Bruh i kept getting t3 power cycler, rip

[karmic musk]

Surgical is the worst on the Mk2

[cinder oar]

couldn't land the T4

[stuck crystal]

I mean, I'm comparing a grey MkII to this

[tall torrent]

Still better than the other blessings

[stuck crystal]

But the II's damage seems to need a lot of talent point investment to help it succeed

[karmic musk]

Vet talent points you need to headshot anyways, the + ranged dmg nodes are conditional

[whole moon]

T3 will do at a push

[tall torrent]

Not as much as u think

[flat pebble]

also, once more, better bayonet poke

the bayonet is so important here

because as we all know it’s the best melee weapon in the game

[stuck crystal]

Yeah, I'm shooting it with Executioner Stance now, that seems to be doing fine against gunners and stuff

[tall torrent]

U need 30% weakpoint
25% unarmored
20~25% maniac
Either 15% elite or 2 stacks of tag keystone
This hits every breakpoint for helbore 2 that you care about, excluding crits

Without VF

[karmic musk]

yeah but then you are using Exe Stance

[flat pebble]

with exhilarating takedown that’s fine

[whole moon]

I've also been reading an issue where HBs bayonet benefits from BM and Limbsplitter on the melee Wep. Haven't got the plasteel to properly check it yet tho

[stuck crystal]

Yeah, I got kinda addicted to my VoC build

[karmic musk]

And what are those breakpoints?

[still flare]

Hilarious if true, no way that's staying in tho

[tall torrent]

It does and allows u to hit for like 1k+ dmg per stab and u can kill 4 horde enemies that are lined up

[still flare]

LOL

[neon briar]

yeah i saw that in one of my games, it was monstrous specialists and he managed to outdamage my ironhelm zealot lol

the bayonet stabs so fast that it's dead by the time i finish charging my hammer heavy

[karmic musk]

i mean...you are ironhelm zealot

[neon briar]

on the weakened ones at least

on boss damage i mean

overall damage yeah i expect to lose

[tall torrent]

Dreg gunner one tap head (unarmored + weakpoint + elite/tag keystone)
Consistent 2 tap head on both flamers
2 tap head mutant with bayonet, 3 tap body
3 tap head rager with bayonet

Also 1 headshot kills all regular shooters

[whole moon]

I best enjoy it this weekend then lol, that's Monday morning hotfix levels of wrong

[tall torrent]

But I haven’t checked for that

[karmic musk]

sounds fun and all but i can't hit heads consistently so not for me

[tall torrent]

At least the bayonet works

You got 2 melee weapons technically speaking

I think I’ve killed more mutants with bayonet than I have with my actual melee weapons ever since I started running mk2 HB

[neon briar]

oh yeah it one shots mutants too

if you charge the heavy instead of releasing it right away

[stuck crystal]

Alright, I'll stick to my MkIII for my VoC build, I'll see if I can get working blessings/perks on the II for my ES build

[tall torrent]

If u don’t have unarmored, I think you have to run X-stance to reach dreg gunner 1 shot
I just have a particularly insane roll here

This is really more like a spam version of MG12 that gets to shank people with bayonet and deal alright dmg to carapace

[low oar]

And the perfect amount of ammo

[tall torrent]

Also more point efficient than MG12

MG12 needs a lot of talents to hit its breakpoints without VF

[brazen cape]

anyone down for some heresy missions?

[gusty bison]

If u have longshot you can reach gunner 1tap at normal ranges

Since if ur within 8m u can just stab the guy in the head

[gusty bison]

Vet: The grail knight of DT

[gleaming adder]

too bad the melee on the lucius lasguns are dogshit

[gusty bison]

Lol what

They are literally better than some of the best melee weapons atm

[gleaming adder]

they changed it?

[gusty bison]

*With the right blessings

[gleaming adder]

ah,

Would use the lucius lasguns more if they didnt take a century to pull out

[thorn yoke]

Bayonet stabs (I and II) are good against something a lot of pubs have issues with: Ragers

[pseudo horizon]

I just switched to Combat Knife and Vraks Mark III and I feel actually good at this game for the first time like ever

[gusty bison]

To put it bluntly they are doing more boss dps than the thunder hammer

Let that sink in

[gleaming adder]

the fuck?

[gusty bison]

On top of having a very high attack speed

So it doesnt have the issue of thammer's shitty horde clear

Ye helbore bayos atm being able to inherit melee blessings is busted xD

[gleaming adder]

So the melee blessings on your melee weapon applies to the bayonet?

[gusty bison]

Yes

So u take Limbsplitter and Brutal Momentum

Cos bayo doesnt reset limbsplitter ooldown

So its permanent +60% power

And the base weapon already deals batshit insane headshot damage

And stagger

Like its combat axe level

[flat pebble]

they turned that modifier way the fuck up lol

[thorn yoke]

it'll probably get slapped next pass, the same way they slapped Grenade Gauntlet

[gusty bison]

So now ur just 2 shotting ragers on a weapon that attacks like twice a second

Helbore bayo didnt need a buff lmao xD

Said it once, will say it again.

[gusty bison]

But yea this is a hotfix i would expect sooner than later

[thorn yoke]

Mind you, normally the bayonet doesn't have very good group clear but there is some most likely unintended tech that can give it decent run. Just can't shove

[gusty bison]

You can also spin 2 win

So u can do a horizontal slash with thr bayo

[thorn yoke]

like I said. Unintended tech 😛

[gusty bison]

XD

[versed merlin]

yo laspistol feels actually good

[wanton dawn]

Not joking

[zealous wyvern]

excellent

[void mortar]

i got a good shovel

[zealous wyvern]

why is this from the 16th

[void mortar]

still the same

[zealous wyvern]

anime games AND your windows is not activated

i smell

some serious heresy here

guardsman, crop your screenshots

[void mortar]

the anime is my brothers i hate it sir

[zealous wyvern]

carry on

[void mortar]

fixed

[pseudo horizon]

Thoughts on the new build? I'm running it with the Combat Knife and the Vraks Mk III.

[hollow turtle]

I'll be honest, just seeing revolvers is starting to get old. It's not bad. It's just.. Getting old.

[quasi flower]

I got a sweet power sword, and it came with sunder 4 and brutal momentum 4. I was going to replace BM with power cycler when I get it, but only have power cycler 3 rn, is power cycler 3 better than running rampage 4 until I get cycler 4?

[versed merlin]

well they are ahead of every other weapon for what it does so i think its safe to say they are "meta" rn

[frank ledge]

hh gang

can't run plasma cause it leads to ctd

[versed merlin]

LOL

[solar bone]

ctd?

[versed merlin]

crash to desktop

try verifying files integrity with steam

[frank ledge]

done

no mods

[solar bone]

Just get the mod to disable its screen effects

[frank ledge]

Still crashes

Prob will have to till fatshark fixes this shit

[versed merlin]

that's really weird man

[solar bone]

What is your card?.

[versed merlin]

maybe it's graphics related

yeah

[frank ledge]

A classic 1080

Drivers are updated

first thing I checked

[solar bone]

have you manually disabled* ray tracing in your ini files

[frank ledge]

Yep

Did a while back to get my Boost

[solar bone]

hmmm

running xes?

[frank ledge]

Xes?

[solar bone]

Xess

its upscaling option

your card should be able to run it

i did it with 1060 before upgrading

got me frames

[frank ledge]

I'll see to it

[bitter turtle]

you're not memeing right

i can't tell

genuinely

if im being trolled with that twinning blast pick

[sonic skiff]

i havent played vet in forever

whats bis for lucius

and is mk2 good or is 3 better

[odd sparrow]

surgical + propably onslaught. surgical because with the shock trooper talent you dont expend ammo on crits(on lasguns). Which gives you basically infinite ammo on helbore

[sonic skiff]

bet thank ya

infernus no good?

also i havent played since the new power sword, is it still slaughter+energy cycler?

[odd sparrow]

to my knowledge infernus has never really been that good since you could just 1shot things with helbore

brutal momentum + power cycler

cause it makes you cleave through hordes much better

[sonic skiff]

bet

thank ya

[frank ledge]

Smoke best grenade

I can finally grief my team without barrels

I even got double grenade for occasionally double smoke

[gusty bison]

Infernus is horrifically bad on Lucius

easily the worst blessing

Next to Falter

[gusty bison]

People are lazy

thats the thing

They dont wanna experiment, they just follow the "meta" even when the meta isnt even the best way to play

[frank ledge]

Turn brain off just watch youtuber claim recon is best and you should empty it into crushers

they don't even check dates so they think that is current patch

[timid otter]

I had to talk to someone yesterday that had listened to a youtuber telling them to get ranged critical damage 💀

These youtubers are real menaces

[hollow turtle]

The funniest thing about bandwagon mentality. Whatever the bangwagon is, is usually the target of nerfs.

[hollow turtle]

Lol I still remember when youtubers were telling people to drop medkits next to the med stations for "in case we have to come back."

I don't know how many times I said, "Wtf??.."

[timid otter]

When they actively misinform its a problem

[flint garden]

i keep getting people who drop medkit a room or elevator before station

[versed merlin]

am i trolling if i dont get the survivalist aura?

[hollow turtle]

Nah. It's a slight inconvenience, but if the team starts to whine about it, it's really not you. They just don't know how to maintain their ammo.

Last mission had a veteran with a revolver and no survivalist trait. Turns out he was doing his 90% penance. He got it, so go him.

[versed merlin]

hmm its because it seems like an unique and special ability that only vets can bring to the table, at the same time that it might not benefit me much in the current loadout that im trying, it just seem pointless to not use it

[hollow turtle]

Lol it does make you laugh thinking about all the other times the other classes are like "Vets are useless."
They need to shut it. They cry when we don't bring the ammo bags.

[versed merlin]

ikr

[hollow turtle]

"Your revolvers aren't saying shit."

[fleet schooner]

I'm VERY New to these games, what should i know when i play veteran?

[hollow turtle]

Know that you are glass cannon.

Play your build.

[fleet schooner]

uh wha-

I AM?

[versed merlin]

you can kinda overcome that issue with voice of command, but it can lead to bad habits, because its a very clutch ability imo

[hollow turtle]

Our toughness isn't as significant as the other classes so knowing how to dodge and reposition is kind of our thing tbh.

[fleet schooner]

i thought psykers were glass cannon

[hollow turtle]

Getting into a fight with a bunch of ragers is not ideal.

[frank ledge]

Fellow veter*ns, what should you run on shovel?

[hollow turtle]

eh, I would say psykers are kind of on the same playing field as vets.

[versed merlin]

yeah also you have more benefits of replenishing toughness, one of the most important surivavibility defence mechanics in this game, by killing in ranged combat

[potent iris]

'ere's what I got, works well

[frank ledge]

Perfect then

[versed merlin]

i asked the same question before and someone here told me uncanny strike and decimator

yeah just like the print above

[hollow turtle]

Psykers are very good for opening up target defenses for heavy hits. Lol take example that smite ability. Stun locks a lot of things and gets bulwarks to put their shield down.

[frank ledge]

got it already then, nice

[hollow turtle]

Personally, I'm a range stealth vet. My speciality is very much killing the elites/maniacs and covering the rear for single flankers.

[delicate moat]

im a eepy vet

i like to eep when enemies come

[hollow turtle]

Horde fighting is... Well it can be helpful if you have the right melee weapon.

(Lel. Shovels and power swords.)

I'm starting to get the hang of using a power sword again, but I still sort of prefer my knife. Just better mobility.

[wanton dawn]

I am a pokey vet

I poke things and they die

[hollow turtle]

I want that squad leader veteran premium. 😐

[small mauve]

hey hey, small question on the power sword, why brutal momentum instead of rampage coupled with power cycler 4? all my friends are telling me to go rampage, but people here advise to go for BM especially as rampage has bugued bonus damage?

[wanton dawn]

rampage has limited proc capacities on elite melee

Also BM is better on horde

[hollow turtle]

Gimme.

[small mauve]

@wanton dawn hmm alright, thanks

[ebon umbra]

okay had to make sure coming from the man who made a stealth vet troll meme

[unreal bone]

what mod is this?

That lets you preview all the unreleased shit

[hollow turtle]

Honestly idk. It was someone else's screenshot.

[noble zinc]

The melee tree is super underrated

[untold mulch]

Wdym underrated?

[noble zinc]

10% melee speed. 10% crit. 15% finesse bonus. Makes you chew through hordes with a chain sword like it's nothing.

[crude wind]

@nimble needle uncanny and skullbreaker

Maniacs and Infested

[bitter turtle]

i dont think its underrated when ppl already rate it highly

[noble zinc]

Well I don't see many vets run it.

[crude wind]

yeah I don't think melee tree is underrated at all, it's pure valuetown

[hollow turtle]

I can only speak for range veteran gameplay. So I don't have an opinion on the melee tree.

[noble zinc]

Imo it's a bit too much when vets are supposed to be a ranged spec but abuse it whilst it's there I guess.

[untold mulch]

Imo, if I am gonna play melee vet

There is zealot right there

[noble zinc]

The melee tree also gives you free crits on ranged so.

[crude wind]

how can you abuse it?

[hollow turtle]

Yeah, that's the main reason I don't play melee veteran; There's a zealot there.
It's the same as playing gun psyker when there's a range veteran in the squad.

[crude wind]

imo, widen your perspective

the game is more fluid than that

[bitter turtle]

melee tree naturally synergizes with some of the best guns right now

i dont think its underrated at all

when ppl are running it on the tryhard guns

[bright coyote]

i love when psykers do their thing

[hollow turtle]

Psykers are gosh darn sexy

[forest maple]

Do we have an ETA on the late november patch?

[untold mulch]

Absolute state of gameplay

Entire lobby is revolver users

[crude wind]

you can do insane things in unconventional builds if you know what you're doing

[noble zinc]

Except on higher difficulties you're not going to be able to shoot as much and it still massively buffs your range damage whilst offering synergy with deadshot thanks to the stamina gain.

[hollow turtle]

hate this.

[forest maple]

It just works

[crude wind]

this happens a lot tbh

[untold mulch]

Balance

[bitter turtle]

honestly

i tried revolver recently

and i gotta say

i like my vraks7 more lul

[crude wind]

i've gone off it

it never neeeded a second buff

[noble zinc]

2 shots crusher with revolver kek

[bitter turtle]

yeah

but i dont really care about crushers

[hollow turtle]

I played a supportive smite psyker in a lobby of revolver users. It was boring, but it kept them effective against the armor.

[bitter turtle]

when you can just poke them in the eye or grenade them

[forest maple]

Revolver is straight up insane with a 4/4 perfect roll

[bitter turtle]

find the ammo limitation too much on revolver when picking off like 1208120 gorrilion specials and gunners that pop up nowadays with buffed director

[forest maple]

No other gun comes close

[crude wind]

yeah, with the ability to run Regenerating Krak grenades "it kills Crushers" isn't really the biggest sell lol

[noble zinc]

But specials give you your ammo back.

[forest maple]

Never ran out of ammo

[versed merlin]

i have a good revolver sitting right here in my inventory and i dont feel like using it at all tbh

[bitter turtle]

no

[bright coyote]

ill take my plasma gun copium

[bitter turtle]

im not talking about running out of ammo

im talking about your clip

lol

[versed merlin]

i just crafted one with good rolls and let it there getting all dust

[forest maple]

ah

[untold mulch]

I had a miserable time in a t4 as psyker because surge staff and brainburst take a while to kill even when casting

And the revolver players constantly killed the elites I was aiming, so I had no empowered psionics

[bitter turtle]

like last run i had 10 gunners just pop up literally on the otherside of the final throneside holdout

[crude wind]

imo Plasma is a better gun than revolver, no question there. but its more ammo taxing

[forest maple]

why? take it for a heretic extermination ride

[hollow turtle]

I'm an IA user, so its either I use Krak grenades and help be anti-armor/anti-special. Or use bleed and help be anti-horde/anti-special.

[bitter turtle]

it'd be one thing if other ppl on my team had guns that are effective at that range but its basically all on me

[forest maple]

Is it really?

[bitter turtle]

since they';re controlling hrode

[crude wind]

I'm an everything user, my trade is death

[bitter turtle]

so having vraks7 to snipe them all off was really helpful

[forest maple]

Revolver swaps instantly, has no delay whatsoever

[versed merlin]

this will sound silly but its because i dont like the revolver gimmick

[crude wind]

100%

[forest maple]

just need slightly better aim

[crude wind]

can do things the revolver can't do

but

you will want the crosshair mod to make ur life easier 😛

[noble zinc]

I'm not a huge fan of kraks as two shredders clear an entire area and soften up big enemies nicely.

[crude wind]

the default crosshair on the plasma is lame

[forest maple]

What does the crosshair mod do for the plasma?

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/9afb41ab29557d2c452b38c75df3571f.jpg

[forest maple]

i see

[bitter turtle]

it was a fun run

[crude wind]

allows you to change the crosshair to whatever you want

like

a regular cross

[bitter turtle]

friendship ended with columnus

vraks7 my new best friend

[crude wind]

instead of a whatever the fuck it has

[forest maple]

You shouldn't be modding your game to be more like COD

dont you know thats illegal?

[crude wind]

better arrest me and throw me in vidya game jail then

[forest maple]

GamesWorkshop probably has you on a list

[crude wind]

cause until fatshark can build a competent UI

i'm using mods 😛

[bitter turtle]

scope single handedly amde some guns fun for me

[crude wind]

you know whats nice? being able to see your team mates ammo

like

[bitter turtle]

they can pry it from my cold, dead fingers

[crude wind]

in an exact numerical value

[forest maple]

I'm upgrading my pc early next month so i can finally mod darktide (been playing on cloud streaming)

[crude wind]

instead of a colour

[forest maple]

so you better bet your ass i'm modding the hell out of it

[crude wind]

uh oh your team mate has purple ammo

hope that's clear to you

[noble zinc]

Putting the toughness bar anywhere sensible would help too.

[crude wind]

i have to imagine at some point, maybe even soon, fatshark will change their own crosshairs

they're fucking abysmal

wtf is the triangle braced autos have

[noble zinc]

So many people don't realise they're about to be oneshot by that mauler until they hear the shield break sound.

[crude wind]

"EVER SEEN ONE OF THESE BAD BOYS?"

"IT'S A TRIANGLE, THE MOST PROVEN SHAPE FOR ACCURACY"

[forest maple]

i'll do you one better. IRON SIGHTS

[crude wind]

iron sights is actually a 24 story block of flats

[forest maple]

misaligned iron sights

[hollow turtle]

Lol I change the braced auto cross sights to the shotgun.

Gives a better idea of the spread.

[versed merlin]

imagine playing with crosshair

[hollow turtle]

If I'm not using a crosshair, I'm using a laser. Don't go there.

[frank saffron]

yo guys what should i change here

[forest maple]

So, do we have any info on when the vanguard recon or w/e thing is coming?

[crude wind]

the wha?

[forest maple]

the free cosmetics

[frank saffron]

someone said 5 days

[forest maple]

the pearl clutching incident

[frank saffron]

the what

[crude wind]

i would imagine part 2 of Traitor Carnival

[hollow turtle]

Is there going to be another mission release for that part 2?

[crude wind]

the best thing ever

man the memes

so solid

[frank saffron]

elaborate please

[forest maple]

wasnt that the response for the xbox fiasco?

[frank saffron]

ive heard of it but ididnt witness it

[versed merlin]

oh we're getting new content?

[crude wind]

basically there was a CM that existed for about 2 weeks

[frank saffron]

part 2 and vanguard cosmetics

[crude wind]

and people were upset (understandably) about the price hike for the DKoK cosmetics

[frank saffron]

they wont give us the rebreather with the helmet doe

fuckers

[hollow turtle]

Vanguard cosmetics? Any photos for reference?

[crude wind]

and this said CM accused people of pearl clutching

[untold mulch]

Part 2 I assume considering their wording, we will get it in the week of 5th december

[versed merlin]

oh dang

[crude wind]

i.e. false morale outrage

[frank saffron]

oh you mean that guy

[crude wind]

you can imagine how that went down

[wanton dawn]

They were pearl clutching though

[frank saffron]

that was a long time ago

[noble zinc]

Immeasurably complex

[frank saffron]

right

[untold mulch]

It was a month ago

[forest maple]

not sure about vanguard. Recon squad something

[frank saffron]

what

[versed merlin]

im so used to vermintide that new content is a totally unknown word to me

[frank saffron]

a new cm other than the fs catshark?

[untold mulch]

To be completely fair to the CM

She thought it was 1500 or smth

[crude wind]

idk man, I don't think people be genuinely annoyed at being ripped off during a time when a lot of people are counting coins is pearl clutching

[hollow turtle]

Lol this is fair.

[untold mulch]

she lacked a 0

[crude wind]

and I think the cosmetic prices for this game are fucking outrageous

[noble zinc]

I mean there's literally cosmetics I've changed my mind on and want to buy now but they're no longer in the store lmao.

[frank saffron]

it will comeback

[crude wind]

£10 for an ugly looking DKoK?

[forest maple]

Remember the intro cimetatic with 4 veterans that got dismembered by a chaos spawn? The plasma wielding vet is the gear we are getting

[frank saffron]

give u time to sober up

[crude wind]

that they thin half arsed squished part of?

in what world....

[frank saffron]

yuh almost as bad as halos

[hollow turtle]

Tbf, I see guys/girls spending more on a pair of shoes only to wear it once every weekend.

[noble zinc]

It depends on skin to skin but many are overprices yeah.

[untold mulch]

She dropped shortly after because healthcare issues

[frank saffron]

and destiny

[crude wind]

yes but those shoes exist

[frank saffron]

aw sad i think she was nice

[untold mulch]

She is still on discord sometimes

[crude wind]

and those shoes will continue exist

[untold mulch]

But no longer CM

[frank saffron]

fr

[wanton dawn]

Imo crying about cosmetics that are unobtainable ingame is freaking sad

[frank saffron]

i remeber the first cm

fuck that guy

[noble zinc]

Like when they grab a different skin or a free skin and lightly retexture it then sell it for full price 2100 aquillas. Like my brother what

[frank saffron]

forgot is name doe

[untold mulch]

Get that profit margin up

[crude wind]

imo defending paid cosmetics as a totally acceptable and normal thing and not some blatant deformity of the video gaming world by capitalist executives is pretty sad

like

[untold mulch]

It baffles me how it looks like it has no effort done

[crude wind]

who wanted that

[frank saffron]

also wait pls halp

what should i change

[untold mulch]

The Vet Krieg had a design that looked like someone utterly clueless about Krieg was described BY WORDs how they looked

[wanton dawn]

The pearl clutching event was never about obtaining those cosmetics through gameplay though

[frank saffron]

fr

[noble zinc]

Also the initial outrage was mostly about them prioritising selling skins over making basic game features work

[wanton dawn]

It was ppl wanting that sweet aquilas bonus for... playing ?

[frank saffron]

underwhelming overpriced

[hollow turtle]

There's your veteran vanguard

[frank saffron]

yup

[bitter turtle]

i'd h ave liked the hood option for vet too

[crude wind]

i mean, that one is entirely on fatshark

[hollow turtle]

I'll be honest. That's not very impressive.

[bitter turtle]

for a scab sniper cosplay

[crude wind]

if I had been them

[frank saffron]

why wont they give us the fucking helmet with the rebreather

[bitter turtle]

but zealot actually got the hood

[crude wind]

i would have just given every 14k Aquilas

easy peasy

everyone happy

[noble zinc]

We already have helmets with rebreather

[crude wind]

job done

it's not even real

[noble zinc]

Having one without makes sense imo

[frank saffron]

fuckers were fighting nurgle i dont want open mask

[untold mulch]

Kinda hard with shareholders and all

But I would have been content with a fraction.

I wouldn't have paid for any of the vanguard set

[frank saffron]

they should at least give us the option to where the goggles on on the helmets that come with them

[crude wind]

nooooooo is this what they look like?

[frank saffron]

or are they gonna sell it agaiun with the gogles down

[hollow turtle]

"Because we have a helmet with the rebreather at home."
The helmet:

[crude wind]

not at all - the aquilas are not stock. they have no physical value. they can be birthed in infinite number at the touch of a button

[frank saffron]

exactly they really said hey this is the helmet from the trailer

[crude wind]

you would have given the 14k

[hollow turtle]

Pretty sure. That's from the driptide chat.

[crude wind]

people would have gotten a taste of spending aquilas

[untold mulch]

I know that

But you must think like investors, that is skins that people won't pay, so its "missed revenue"

[crude wind]

and then guess what, they'd have good will towards you for the freebies

[crude wind]

and then likely buy more

baiting the rod and all that

[hollow turtle]

That would be the vanguard gear by the looks of it.

[untold mulch]

Like sorry but

Most backend decisions of Fatshark, are not for the health of community

and is karking sad

[crude wind]

i understand that line of thinking it's just utterly incorrect and shows a complete lack of understand of how things work with ordinary people

[frank saffron]

they even removed the pauldron from the ogryn

[crude wind]

if i have a brand i love

[frank saffron]

what makes them think these are good desing choices

[crude wind]

and that brand then gives me £20 for free off my next purchase

because i'm a loyal customer

[frank saffron]

we literally tell them what we want and then they give us bastardized versions

[untold mulch]

These last years I have clear that the people who call the shots are stupid as Ogryns

[crude wind]

guess what? I'm gonna carry on being a loyal customer

and feel good about that

[frank saffron]

only time i felt okay spending aquilas was the first steel legion outfit

[untold mulch]

And I agree with that thought

[frank saffron]

at least it came with a banger gun and shovel

[crude wind]

and yeah that's the other thing about these cosmetics

the quality is low

[untold mulch]

But seeing the state of gaming the last 10 years

The higher ups are

[crude wind]

you have constant clipping issues

some of the art direction is super quesitonable

[untold mulch]

I swear what the kark is wrong?

[crude wind]

they dont seem to understand the concept of shoulder pads and gravity existing together

[untold mulch]

How it passes the bare minimum QA?

[hollow turtle]

Yup. there's a reddit thread with the vanguard bundle datamined for all the classes. That's the veteran appearance for sure.

[crude wind]

like they are just churning them out with no QC

[karmic musk]

I would take the Aquilas over this anyday

[untold mulch]

So we vets are getting this?

Yeah fuck that, Imma still using my desert full body armor

[hollow turtle]

Pretty sure.

[crude wind]

the drip has the fucking. moon boots.

[frank saffron]

true they should honestly give us both

[crude wind]

I hate those moon boots

fucksake look at them

TIME TO WEAR ANVILS ON MY FEET

THAT WILL HELP ME MOVE

[untold mulch]

[frank saffron]

see that chestpiece so fucking bare, no ammo pouches or nothing

[karmic musk]

[untold mulch]

There is no soul in the design

I am moslty sure is just a recolor

[frank saffron]

ngl i have a love hate relationship with the karskin outfit

looks pretty shit

but the ammo pouches on it are great

[hollow turtle]

I mean, if you use For the Drip and don't want to play as the regular inquisition soldier, I guess you could use the vanguard outfit to make yourself a nice looking Cadian or other outfit.

[karmic musk]

Xbox players laughing their ass off at this

[crude wind]

yeah I'll take my 14k please lol

[frank saffron]

theyre gonna release the cadian outfit for sure

\its been leaked already

[karmic musk]

COPE

[frank saffron]

what

have you not seen it?

im not kidding man its been posted here like a bajillion times

[karmic musk]

and its still not in, my point stands

[untold mulch]

A .lot of stuff has been in code for a while and we have seen jackshit

[karmic musk]

[midnight mortar]

They already released their "Kasrkin" outfit.

[karmic musk]

need to post it another bajillion times

[midnight mortar]

With that blocky bobblehead square helmet.

[untold mulch]

Carboard looking armor

[frank saffron]

nah thats the bottleg karskin armor

apparently its the recon version

[midnight mortar]

And incomplete chestplate.

[frank saffron]

you know the red comms officer outfit we got

thats basically the cadian one just re colored

[hollow turtle]

Lol, well I certainly don't want it. I already like how I look with just the mortis gear and a docket chest piece.

[frank saffron]

but without the helmet

[midnight mortar]

Oh yes, of course. I recognized it pretty quickly the last time it was on rotation before now.

[frank saffron]

well at least you dont look like a bum or a biker

fucking hate those vets

[karmic musk]

Decks himself in full armor
Proceeds to expose his head

[hollow turtle]

[untold mulch]

Whoever is in charge of QA of skins

Deservers all the trapper spawns in the world

[bitter turtle]

helmets get you killed first

[frank saffron]

yeah the bandana looks kinda cringe imo ur not the main character hahhaa

[bitter turtle]

that's waht 40k tells me

the cool guys dont wear helmets

[frank saffron]

no

well

yes

[untold mulch]

I mean we kinda are

[midnight mortar]

Oh you're a Krieger who complained about the rebreather box being too large?
Flattens the Z Axis
Done. Stop complaining.

[untold mulch]

4 crackheads opening up an entire enemy line like a can

steal drugs

leave

[frank saffron]

no we all know sire melk is the mc of this game'

[karmic musk]

PREMIUM quality stop pearl clutching

[frank saffron]

praise melk and his melk bucks

[untold mulch]

GIGABRAIN moment from Fatshark

PAY MORE

[hollow turtle]

Do I please you yet? 🥺

[untold mulch]

next premium 20 bucks

[midnight mortar]

😩

[untold mulch]

is a wet rag

Exclusive

[untold mulch]

My only complaint

is the karking helmet has not the visor

[hollow turtle]

Lol I know right?

[frank saffron]

yuh kinda funny they literally just flatened that shit'

[hollow turtle]

Give me the fricking visor.

[untold mulch]

I sure want my eyes completely without protection

Against Nurgle

[midnight mortar]

Pay up. 1400 Aquilas. (Eventually)

[frank saffron]

im complaining cus it looks worse than the steel legion outfit but costs more

[untold mulch]

cheap

[karmic musk]

One Rotfly gets in that helmet

[untold mulch]

Complain all you want, is deserved

Krieg skin was an insult

[frank saffron]

a simple bandana should suffice

[untold mulch]

and the fact so many purchased it

is a bruh moment to the industry state

[frank saffron]

very much so

[midnight mortar]

Don't worry. A new helmet with the much desired rebreather tube has been added. But we fucking exposed the ears and moved the goggles up onto the helmet. 1400 Aquilas.

[hollow turtle]

We all know that the unhelmeted 40k character is the one with plot armor.

[thick rose]

what do you want on hellbore 2 atm?

[midnight mortar]

Surgical, Onslaught.

[fathom grail]

Rarity: GOLD

[frank saffron]

doesnt work when the whole fucking group is unhelmeted

i had a team full of bum vets with shirts and sports caps

worse than the bikers

[hollow turtle]

Doesn't work when you're the only one helmeted either.

https://tenor.com/view/gears-of-war-hug-lizzie-clayton-carmines-gif-19141985

[frank saffron]

no clayton survived

so jokes on you

[hollow turtle]

Oh right! I forgot he did.

[untold mulch]

Keep your head down son

[frank saffron]

man fuck dont remind about gears

so sad

[fathom grail]

Main characters wear beta helmet

[frank saffron]

fucked that franchise dirty they did

killed off lizzy and her cousin for no fucking reason

[fathom grail]

I used to love gears

Nowadays I simply don’t care for it

[frank saffron]

I think we all did

[frank saffron]

nobody does anymore

[karmic musk]

Anything Microsoft touches goes to shit

[untold mulch]

So many franchises t hat are gone to the wind

[frank saffron]

sigh

or tencent

[fathom grail]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-lonely-sadge-sad-pepe-lonely-pepe-gif-24375295

[untold mulch]

Halo my beloved

[fathom grail]

[frank saffron]

we all afraid of EA

but then everyone started becoming EA

[untold mulch]

I am still mad at halo infinite campaign

so much nostalgiafest

[frank saffron]

me too overpriced horseshit worse purchase of my life

[untold mulch]

entire game felt like a REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS ACTUALYL GOOD?

[karmic musk]

They found out how easy it is to manipulate customers

[hollow turtle]

I stopped at Halo 4

[untold mulch]

Fr

[frank saffron]

Blizzard too

Bungo too so sad Destiny 2 is ded

[frank saffron]

ngl doe Halo Infinite is still the best Halo 343 has made

i liked the campaign was just sad cus i thought there was going to be a freee update to the story

[hollow turtle]

After Cortana actually dies from rampancy. That's where it ended for me. I didn't need a revive of the Franchise.

[frank saffron]

like they promised

[frank saffron]

fair fair

But we all need John Halo

just like John Darktide needs us

fuck i need to rename my vet

John Darktide

[hollow turtle]

https://www.tiktok.com/@davido_tv/video/7272188485979622698?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7211205947183728171

[dark rampart]

can you stack burn and bleed with the Kantrael shotty?

[crude wind]

yes

not sure flechette on Kantrael is super worth though. maybe

would be interesting to see flechette/manstopper Kantrael fire shell

but i feel like fire shell already has infinite cleave

[devout atlas]

any Revive Speed chads that take the revive talent and curio perk to insta revive teammates?

[karmic musk]

What's the point of the fire shell, use it against Bulwarks only?

[bitter turtle]

crowd control

[crude wind]

huge cleave

so you can shoot through a horde to hit shooters etc

and they'll likely burn out and die

that, and bulwarks

[devout atlas]

Flechette on Kantrael let's you 1 shot hordes. Otherwise the fire dot rarely kills them. Obv Weapon Specialist enables this combo

[crude wind]

yeah, you can do the same with the lawbringer too

[devout atlas]

yup

[crude wind]

I'm just not really convinced on it being good. definitely fun though

and not 'bad'

[devout atlas]

I like Lawbringer on a middle keystone build using Scattershot and Deadeye instead of Weapon Spec

Kant does about equal hclear but has some utility in anti Bulwark and the double DOT let's you take care of far away shooters/snipers better

[crude wind]

what's middle keystone doing for ya in that build? giving stamina back for deadshot?

[devout atlas]

Lawby doesn't need Weapon Spec on the other hand and is better as a specialised horde deleter

[crude wind]

imo, you can play Lawbringer quite happily out of Weapon swap

[devout atlas]

Boss damage buff, team damage buff, toughness regen etc.

[lilac eagle]

Tfw your psyker who doesn't use a gun carries an ammo crate ALL FUCKING MISSION

[little fog]

Whats the chance that there's a John Smith?

[lilac eagle]

and never drops it

[crude wind]

guaranteed manstopper/flechette every melee kill

[boreal crescent]

daily reminder that there were only three Halo games and the second was better

[little fog]

Nah, the 3rd was.

[lilac eagle]

Reach was great, what are you smoking

[crude wind]

probs a few builds you could do with lawbringer tbf

[devout atlas]

You just don't need it on Lbringer scattershot and deadeye is enough and a crit flechette is enough for lbring

it's enough to delete anything and flechette will finish off bruisers

[crude wind]

not really convinced by Scattershot on Lawbringer outside of Zealot

or on any shotgun really, feels superfluous when you have deadshot

[devout atlas]

you also don't need any stamina shit with Deadeye Lbringer

[devout atlas]

combined with DShot your chance of critting is very high

[little fog]

You're on your own Noble, Carter Out.

[devout atlas]

pretty much constant flechettes

[crude wind]

yeah, it's just not that strong

[devout atlas]

It kinda is

[bitter turtle]

shotgun on vet feels off to me in general idk

im too used to gun heavy play

[crude wind]

it feels very B tier

[devout atlas]

That said if I wanted shotgun horde-clear I'd play Ogryn

[crude wind]

don't get me wrong, I play everything including B tier builds, but like I don't think it's meta or anything

[devout atlas]

Kant IMHO has more utility in a gunfu build

[crude wind]

i hope they add tiers to flechette

5/6/7/8 stacks

would be sick

would def bump it up a notch

[devout atlas]

nah they won't

[crude wind]

they might 🙂

[devout atlas]

flechette used to be a tier 3/4 idek why it got bumped

[crude wind]

well yeah that was a mistake

because now hadron can't roll them

or rather has an incredibly low chance to roll them

so I'd expect that to get fixed

[devout atlas]

they should though because flechette basically only works on lawbringer

and kant on this very specific build

flechette rippers are a joke

[crude wind]

yeah

Ripper kills things too fast anyways

people don't even use it anymore XD

[plush oracle]

Nexus squad sah

[unreal bone]

Ayooo is this coming out?

[plush oracle]

It will be pal!

The Vanguard bundle will be added to the game at the end of November where PC players will find it in their inventory.

[unreal bone]

wait Fatshark adding these?

POG

[plush oracle]

Yes

[unreal bone]

So literally last day of november?

[plush oracle]

For free

Yep

[unreal bone]

Cool

[unreal bone]

Can you show the Zealot one???

[fallen geyser]

any good?genuinly have no idea...

[unreal bone]

Is there a pic of the zealot vanguard bundle anywherE?

[plush oracle]

Middle one is shouty

Haha

[unreal bone]

Not a good look at it.

[upper jackal]

What's all this then

[unreal bone]

Can you show us the pic like you did for veteran above.

[crude wind]

nice on vet for sure

[midnight mortar]

#📢news-bulletin message

[plush oracle]

Hum if you give me ration

I will show

[unreal bone]

I'll give you big ration

[fallen geyser]

cheers 🙂

[unreal bone]

Can I see now? 🙂

[plush oracle]

Nah

[crude wind]

make sure you run it with the serrated edge talent

[plush oracle]

Sry joke

[crude wind]

or whatever its called

[midnight mortar]

Those cosmetics are supposed to address something nonspecific that Fatshark never clarified.

[devout atlas]

but yea human shotguns could rlly use a horde-clear buff

[unreal bone]

Pretty please? c:

[plush oracle]

Here sah

[unreal bone]

LETS FUCKING GOOO

FINALLY

[midnight mortar]

Not sure whether it's the Xbox Imperial Edition's 14000 free Aquilas, or just an early supporter award.

[unreal bone]

A ZEALOT OUTFIT THAT LOOKS LIKE ASTRA MILITARUM GEAR

FINALLY

[devout atlas]

oh that ogryn flak vest goes hardddd