veteran-class

[trim hemlock]

Oh. Hello, you’ve finally made your way to play this game

[upper dock]

been playing for a bit

[trim hemlock]

Regards from DRG side of things

[upper dock]

i've posted like 2 hi5stg true duos on my channel

post patch 13 game has been really engaging

[trim hemlock]

I reckon I dropped most of my DRG subs due to generally filtering for content I actually am interested in, although I might give these a watch and maybe learn something

Good to have you on board, though

[stark hollow]

what a lovely amount of stopping power

[midnight patrol]

Yuuup. Bayonet Helbore mk1 and 2's are very viable to just run with it

Getting as much melee as ranged kills with them rofl

[stark hollow]

you got a talent list for autoguns?

[whole moon]

Check pinned messages, Guardsman has a weapon primer w some tips

[upper dock]

pinned is good

[stark hollow]

dont see talents on there

[upper dock]

oh you mean the skill tree

[stark hollow]

ye

[upper dock]

i refuse to acknowledge the veteran talent tree exists

[delicate moat]

hi waste

[upper dock]

who are you

[delicate moat]

didn't expect to see you here

[upper dock]

i don't know anybody who likes smoke nades

also lol i did not realize how active you were on this server until i stalked you

i like do not talk here at all so it was surprising to me

[delicate moat]

people on this server are funny

[upper dock]

idk what to make of it

like i'm definitely a zealot main but zealot chat is a little deranged

[delicate moat]

i find zealot advice on non-zealot channels

[upper dock]

i don't find advice

[autumn perch]

You take that back

You

Traitor

[upper dock]

ok sorry, zealot chat is very deranged

happy?

[autumn perch]

That’s more like it

They hate us cus they ain’t us

[sharp ember]

we do not think about zealot chat

we shed those behaviors early on and now zealot chat is their new home

[whole moon]

Ogryn chat by an large is always helpful, even to other class questions. Zealot chat is just something else.

[autumn perch]

Lol

[delicate moat]

plus zealots don't have access to smokes, massive L

[sharp ember]

and no ammo regen

[autumn perch]

This is who gets into your midst when you don’t have the vibe checks from zealot chat

[empty creek]

real as fuck i always thought zealot was less fun BC U couldn’t frag as fast

[upper dock]

idk you move faster as zealot

ergo you get to the spawns faster

and can move away from your team faster

[tall torrent]

Does holding bayonet special make you run faster on helbore 1 and 2?

[sharp ember]

yea

[whole moon]

Yes

[tall torrent]

How much faster

[empty creek]

faster

[whole moon]

Significantly

[sharp ember]

yea faster

[vagrant dagger]

Be Me
Plasma Gun fun

[sharp ember]

i don't think it beats out running with a melee with more stamina and mobility stat

[tall torrent]

This sounds cursed

[empty creek]

i get 1,400 & 1,800 damage headshot stabs using the Helbore bayonets so it’s pretty much a necessary addition 2 my melee build now

cant live w/o it

[sharp ember]

alright time for my limbsplitter shovel

affix bayonets meta

[tall torrent]

Bayonet is the primary melee weapon
The actual melee weapon is the secondary where u whip it out to chop down hordes and kill maulers & crushers

[sharp ember]

do you guys reckon Brutal Momentum works on bayonet if you line them up

[whole moon]

If you get enough kills you unlock a bipod for your bayonette

[empty creek]

the bayonet stabs also hit multiple people now if they’re in a line so

[empty creek]

yes

everything works

[tall torrent]

Bayonet already stabs multiple in a straight line

[sharp ember]

yeah but for the cleave damage reset on kill

[empty creek]

if U have a melee build, there’s no good reason 2 not take a helbore

[tall torrent]

But I don’t think BM would work that well unless you’re using helbore 3 with bayonet overhead

[empty creek]

their bayonets have every same function as the normal melees

the helbore3 bayonet is poopoo

[trim hemlock]

IIRC it was crab or somebody else said back in Oct it used to work

[tall torrent]

Helbore is probably the safest anti-rager melee for vets

[trim hemlock]

You can add in Limbsplitter if you want to make a power cut

[wanton dawn]

Wait. Then ANY blessing works on bayonnet. So which combo is actually the best ?

[empty creek]

ur forgetting the claw parries

[wanton dawn]

Limbsplitter+ ?

[tall torrent]

I’d assume limbsplitter (cuz it doesn’t consume charges) + AoN (bayonet charge consumes stamina for even more dmg)

[sharp ember]

Limbsplitter + Thunderous for rending?

[tall torrent]

You’re looking at something like +100% power (60% limbsplitter + 40% AoN)

[tall torrent]

True
Top 3 then

[sharp ember]

i need to rest out my combo in a little while

see if that works

[tall torrent]

If you’re just spamming bayonet charges, not hard to maintain AoN at 4-5 stacks

[wanton dawn]

Bayonnet applies on hit melee though?

[tall torrent]

That’s, if AoN works for bayonet

[eternal sable]

why are all ogryn players like this

[wanton dawn]

You can also abuse deadshot

To keep stam low

[tall torrent]

True

[keen sedge]

do i even need keystones as a veteran?

[eternal sable]

no

keystones are the biggest noobtrap for vet atm

[keen sedge]

i have never seen a black ogryn before

[tall torrent]

No
But tag keystone is a lot of extra dmg for breakpoint purposes
And weapon specialist is good for revolver & shotgun

[eternal sable]

thats the absolute worst for revolver

[wanton dawn]

Eh, the tag keystone is really good

[eternal sable]

no its not man

[wanton dawn]

Yes it is man

[keen sedge]

it kind of is lol

[eternal sable]

they are the biggest noob traps, no one cares about your targeting and 4% damage

[empty creek]

ive seen 1 other besides my own after 400 hours

the ogryns don’t really have dark skin tones

[eternal sable]

this is how you play revolver vet

[wanton dawn]

Its 12% almost perma uptime on whole team dude

[eternal sable]

still keystones are bigggest noob trap

[stark hollow]

isnt my mkV autogun beautiful

[empty creek]

super blaster

[keen sedge]

more damage against bosses is not a noob trap tbh

[eternal sable]

you cant play revolver without bring it down

[wanton dawn]

Man gonna check his attitude with dangerous advice

[eternal sable]

or full weak spot damage

[stark hollow]

focus target seems fine

[empty creek]

what version of the customization mod is this

[upper dock]

idk qq always prepared is a little silly

[eternal sable]

1300 hour advice take it or leave it

[stark hollow]

its the extended one

[novel moat]

"My Lit'le shredder. Isn't she beautiful?"

[empty creek]

gotcha

[wanton dawn]

Sorry, am still only at 1k

[eternal sable]

fundip

you will get much more damage going middle tree

[wanton dawn]

Well, darcy was 1k5 i think ?

[eternal sable]

for the emperor + bring it down > keystone

[languid escarp]

I don't understand how people could queue for heresy and above without even knowing how to dodge Mauler and Crusher

[wanton dawn]

Oh well

[midnight patrol]

I think I can roll with this look.

[wanton dawn]

Moar hour > better advice

[keen sedge]

middle pathway is just the best pathway because it just allows you to do more damage and have infinite grenades

[eternal sable]

keystones are the biggest noob trap bro

[novel moat]

The default space assault rifle in question

[languid escarp]

trve

[stark hollow]

so take out the points in focus target and put them in left tree?

[eternal sable]

i know a few 3k+ hour players who will say the same

[tall torrent]

An “800hr vet” in quick play damnation last night died 3 times and he was the only one that died lol

[wanton dawn]

3k+ hour at this point ?

Did they play 12h/day since release ? Omg

[livid warren]

So, am I to assume that most of you in this chat main Vet?

[stone birch]

yes

[novel moat]

That would be a fair assumption.

[livid warren]

Im asking because I hear most of my friends say vet is hard AF to play

[wanton dawn]

In any case, calling focus target a "noob trap" is quite the statement

[karmic musk]

3k hour results in brain degradation, their advice aint worth shit

[stark hollow]

i have my levels equally distributed among all my classes

roughly

[eternal sable]

focus target is a big noob trap

[novel moat]

I mean. Not really?
Like if you're going for the higher difficulties like damnation and auric missions sure, but at that point pretty much every class is hard to play.

[wanton dawn]

I could see the argument for the 2 others but at some point you need to back your claim with more meat

[eternal sable]

if you think otherwise you are coping mega hard

[trim hemlock]

I have most of my hours played on Vet, but that’s only playtime. I know some things but am always ready to have my observations challenged and/or be wrong

[eternal sable]

i will tell you why craime

[forest maple]

Care to elaborate? What don't you like?

[eternal sable]

the ranged finesse gives you 0 breakpoints lol

[stone birch]

ehhhhh... kinda? we are on the squishier side with psyker, but if you can block/dodge and can keep killing specialists/elites, you will stand just fine.

[wanton dawn]

I just see yet another dude coming with big word on vet chat

[novel moat]

On lower difficulties its essentially a point and click adventure game if you choose exe stance combat ability.

[eternal sable]

the keysytones are all generally shit

you can get much more with those points

you have yet to use a good revolver build azreal

[languid escarp]

on higher difficulties it's still point and click but with extra dodge input

[wanton dawn]

[novel moat]

True enough.

[karmic musk]

lmao

[forest maple]

Focus target and all of its keystones are pretty good. Maybe the 8 max stacks one is a bit lower

[wanton dawn]

Am not answering anymore

[eternal sable]

falling for the noob traps smh

[karmic musk]

Dmg -> Toughness -> Stack for Focus Target for me

[tall torrent]

Tag keystone has some extra stuff that’s not directly written out to the player:

Whenever a tagged enemy is killed, you get a minimum of 2 stacks (if you only had 1, you immediately get to 2)
If you target an enemy and spend all accumulated stacks then immediately tag another, that other target is still going to get 1 stack

This means, minimum +4% dmg, usually +8~12% dmg, at most 20% dmg (without any modifiers)

[stark hollow]

tbf revolver still performs well with almost any build as long as blessings and perks are on point

[eternal sable]

not really

you will feel an immedate difference playing with no keystone

[forest maple]

Yeah thats for sure

[eternal sable]

yeah you will get much more damage

[forest maple]

Care to explain

how you get much more damage instead of just saying it

[eternal sable]

its best you guys explore your builds first

[stark hollow]

the suppression immunity helps when i take a point out of my keystones

[karmic musk]

bruh he trolling

[forest maple]

The floor is yours dude

speak

[eternal sable]

you guys need to test more builds

[forest maple]

aight

[keen sedge]

Focus target applies 4% damage per stack, max stack can be 8
4 x 8 = 32
So you can do up to 32% more damage against an enemy

[eternal sable]

keystones are not manditory and the poiunts best used elssewhere

its a conditional keystone harley

[whole moon]

Sans evidence Ill trust the voices who helped me build my chars

[forest maple]

Chatgpt?

is that you?

[tall torrent]

8 stacks not worth the point investment

[karmic musk]

ScuffedGPT

[keen sedge]

its a single point

[eternal sable]

clueless azreal

[novel moat]

Says keystones are not mandatory
Calls them noobtraps.
Refuses to elaborate further.

[old quail]

weapon specialist lets u play around with guaranteed crits which works really well for certain weapons

[tall torrent]

That’s probably better spent elsewhere

[novel moat]

Pretty based ngl

[old quail]

revo/shotgun/plasma being the most obvious

[keen sedge]

32% more damage against bosses, nah i think im good

[tall torrent]

They’re not mandatory but tag & specialist do add some pretty good benefits

[cloud leaf]

bro these shotgun vets are useless

[versed merlin]

im fairly new to this game, i havent touched auric yet, but i play regurlary on t5 if that counts to something. i can see how vet keystones are bad, but i cant see how the tag keystone is actually bad as you're claiming. could you explain it further instead of "test it yourself" or "other 3k hours players will say the same"?

[forest maple]

that 8 stack node for one point is pretty great if even only for monstrosities. I can get 5% crit or something else for it. Generally not needed

[keen sedge]

wait what-

[novel moat]

I can imagine. I've seen tag do some pretty good work against bosses.

[tall torrent]

Team dmg goes up to 12% I think (1.5% x8)

[keen sedge]

you're telling me, you can nearly do 50% more damage

[nimble sentinel]

Abominable Intelligence? Right here in front of my future servo skulls?

[keen sedge]

[forest maple]

I'm simply all in on the support/team vet for now. Using middle tree all the way with all my builds. Cant play anything else

[keen sedge]

also ima just say this, competitive urge is underrated as fuck

if you're team can kill, then you will almost always be replenishing it

[forest maple]

Left tree needs some major rebalancing

soon

[wanton dawn]

Not underrated, but hard to justify over more predictable dmg buff

[sharp ember]

do you guys take low-mid damage automatics with tagging damage buff keystone

[forest maple]

i do

[keen sedge]

it can still proc very often, so if you're team is good then you almost always have a flat 20% damage increase

[forest maple]

Plus, i love that my tag is unique. Adds to the shout veteran team leader feel

[tall torrent]

I don’t think you frequently get the full 48% bonus (1.32x1.12) on bosses though
Because you’re gonna need to kill tagged elites & specials to maintain redirect fire stacks and killing them only gives u 2 stacks minimum

[nimble sentinel]

I take MG IV and treat it as a low-RoF automatic pray for my fingers

[nimble sentinel]

^

[keen sedge]

isnt veteran meant to be a team leader? like even the ogryns call him a boss

[forest maple]

pretty much

[wanton dawn]

I know. But there is fierce competition.

[sharp ember]

vet and ogryn are both directly involved in the imperial guard in their background

[tall torrent]

Hard to compete with 20% Ogryn & monstrosity dmg

In a point starved tree

[stark hollow]

ok so dumping focus fire and going left tree allows you to one shot scab ragers with a crit to the head with revolver, and gives you suppresion immunity

[keen sedge]

i bring both of them

[stark hollow]

thats what im testing

i mean what i figured out

[forest maple]

Wait what? I thought it refreshed when a tagged target dies?

[tall torrent]

The dmg buff gets to be maintained at 1.12, but the tag stacks you get from killing all those specials & elites won’t reach full 8 to get maximum effect on bosses if you’re trying to maintain the 1.12

[forest maple]

or you mean the base 1 stack 4%?

[wanton dawn]

Ill try using comp urge again me think. Can probably find a node

[keen sedge]

use it, it gets activated quite often

just gotta have a good team

[wanton dawn]

I know. Again, competition is fierce

[stark hollow]

wait

[tall torrent]

If you have redirect fire:
Kill 1 enemy with 2 stacks: you get 2 stacks of redirect fire and a minimum of 2 tag stacks (killing any tagged enemy gives you a minimum of 2 stacks banked)

[stark hollow]

hold on i just noticed. do focus stacks not go away when you kill a tagged enemy?

[wanton dawn]

No

They start refteshing immediately

[stone birch]

hmm, as much of an insufferable asshole as RFRD is, he is correct about no keystones if you specifically want to marksman

[tall torrent]

Whenever you kill a tagged enemy (even if you’re at 1 stack), you immediately get a minimum of 2

[wanton dawn]

It is not being an ass. It is bringing nothing to back the claims

[tall torrent]

If you were at 3 stacks, that doesn’t help anything
But if you’re rapidly tagging and killing a bunch of elites & specials, you maintain 2 stacks banked

[wanton dawn]

Besides authority argument

Which is not great on me

[stone birch]

I just tested it and he is correct if you specifcally are looking for more consistent breakpoints on crushers and reapers as a helbore marksman.

probably true for revolver too

but he ignores that 3 other people benefit from mark target, which tells me he tries to solo stuff.

[wanton dawn]

Marskman focus is consistently called the worst of the 3 keystones

[undone cedar]

is it?

[wanton dawn]

Idk. Probably

[wet moon]

yeah

[tall torrent]

Depends on the helbore

[stone birch]

it should be moved to successive headshots and 10% finesse damage

[wet moon]

ping is easier, weapon specialist is nutty. focus punishes you for moving

[nimble sentinel]

It definitely rewards a very bad habit (standing still)

before y'all say it I know you can move while popping domes

[tall torrent]

Headshot kills in this game are not as consistent as I’d like them to be

[nimble sentinel]

but standing still should be the last thing you think of doing

[sharp ember]

just tried Limbsplitter + Thunderous rending on bayonet, limbsplitter is infinite, but the rending doesn't work 😔

[tall torrent]

Try AoN now

[stark hollow]

i wonder if i can macro it such that adsing auto marks targets when i hover over them

[sharp ember]

sure, let me swap it

[tall torrent]

Does bayonet’s charged attack (hold special then release) act as a “heavy attack”

[sharp ember]

yes, that's where the extra dmg comes from, not from sprinting itself

[tall torrent]

I wanna test thrust tbh

[nimble sentinel]

this is another reason why Ilike the MG IV and think it's underrated, faster ADS movement

[tall torrent]

If only the MG IV could 1 headshot all shooters with just the 30% weakpoint node

[small mauve]

[stark hollow]

ok nvm its annoying as hell

[nimble sentinel]

fire rate is fast enough for a chest>headshot to be equivalent to a Ia headshot, and with the right blessings it's sill gonna OHK most of em

[stark hollow]

i macroed holding down ads to spam mark and damn its kinda annoying

[vagrant narwhal]

Sad 8% there XD

Rating could have been an almost perfect 549 :)

[tall torrent]

I guess you’d benefit from VF a lot on MG IV to reach the 1 headshot breakpoints

[vagrant narwhal]

Not that that or the missing 2% matters XD

[nimble sentinel]

absolutely

[eternal sable]

raw base stats will always be better than anything conditional like a keystone

[sharp ember]

it works

1. limbsplitter stab with full stamina
2. limbsplitter stab with AoN 0% stamina

[small mauve]

yeah I was just fishing for power cycler IV, so I'm absolutely thrilled with the result

[nimble sentinel]

1a is still a phenomenal gun too

[tall torrent]

This is what the emperor intended

[sharp ember]

okay let's go check thrust i guess

[small mauve]

I've got sunder 4, so I'll use that, thanks

[tall torrent]

Can u show how that works in action

[stark hollow]

oh shit you cant accidentally unalive yourself now when you spam left click on plasmagun

[wanton dawn]

Yup

[stark hollow]

cant even type kill

and yourself

together

[ancient path]

shotguns take a pretty specific build to succeed.

[sharp ember]

Thrust doesn't work

[stark hollow]

i say leave shotguns to the zealots

[wanton dawn]

Rofl, the acronym dont work either

Kiss yourself ig

[stark hollow]

kill thyself

damn

[ancient path]

this is a fair statement but vets can be mostly fine with it. right side shotgun is pretty fun.

[stark hollow]

FS aint fancy it seems

[nimble sentinel]

https://youtu.be/BVxjanRhq7o?si=dHtqFBJVywK4s4Sh

[stark hollow]

hmm

stealth shotty vet

[ancient path]

i wouldnt go stealth but probably voc or executioner. then go right side.

[nimble sentinel]

I have a build like that though I get more out of it running plasma

[stark hollow]

only build ive found for my mk v infantry autogun is stealth

[midnight patrol]

Hmm.. Ran this with this talent tree build, I think I figured out how to make Ex Stance work in Damnation.

[stark hollow]

ya think voc would work better?

[ancient path]

im just a personal fan of voc

[stark hollow]

same tbh

[sharp ember]

Brutal Momentum bayonet works pretty damn swell

1 stab 4 kills

[ancient path]

if you have someone else on the job of sniping, a voc vet is great

[small mauve]

actually, would you suggest BM 3, or Sunder 4?

[stark hollow]

you ever take the revive shout?

[tall torrent]

BM

[nimble sentinel]

VoC tends to work better at everything

[stark hollow]

ive personally never taken revive shout

[tall torrent]

Sunder is a niche pick for mixed elite hordes

[midnight patrol]

Uh, heck. Not sure how to show a build ingame without having to take a few screenshots.

[little fog]

Holy shit xD

[sharp ember]

yeah sunder is for people who REALLY want to melee crusher patrols without clanking

[small mauve]

oki, thank you very much people

[nimble sentinel]

Longer cooldown and shorter range, kinda meh in most cases

If your teammates are going down often enough to need to yell for revives, chances are the run is doomed already

[ancient path]

no. i like using voc offensively against hordes or when the director feels like dropping 15 maulers or 20 gunners for some reason

[small mauve]

the emperor had mercy after my last 20 failed attempts to get Power cycler 4

[ancient path]

also this

[sharp ember]

you can just use normal shout to make space to revive anyway

[ancient path]

mhm

[tall torrent]

Wait @formal lake does uncanny strike work for bayonet?

[little fog]

Or you're a heretic and had a conversation with Tchzeench.

[sharp ember]

in a situation where it's too dangerous to do that, well, good luck to them when they stand back up

[small mauve]

I'll not confirm nor deny 👀

[little fog]

HANG HIM!

[stark hollow]

for VoC are yall a demo stockpile man or a field improv man

[tall torrent]

Can I activate full 5 stacks of uncanny just using the bayonet though

[stark hollow]

not sure which to take

[sharp ember]

doing it right now with uncanny shovel, it's not working

[bleak tangle]

polish or bin?

[tall torrent]

Man

[sharp ember]

even if you build stacks and switch to bayonet, it doesn't work

[nimble sentinel]

🧱

[stark hollow]

bin it but feed infernus to hardon if you havent gotten it alr i guess

[tall torrent]

So:
Limbsplitter (works in a most-likely unintended way)
Brutal momentum (works in an almost intended way)
AoN (works in an almost intended way)
Agile engagement (works)

[bleak tangle]

sad

[stark hollow]

infernus is a funny meme on mg IV

[midnight patrol]

Why bin it?

[tall torrent]

He already did cuz the icon is bright without a magnifying glass on it

[midnight patrol]

Mobility is a dump stat

[stark hollow]

ah i didnt know that

[nimble sentinel]

impossible for flakiac or headshot blessings

[stark hollow]

learnt smth new today

[tall torrent]

I think that’s a usable mg1a

Swap both blessings

[sharp ember]

what does Agile Engagement let you do? bayonet kill and buff your shooting and vice versa?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[midnight patrol]

Infernus can make a funny onslaught lasgun tho.

[sharp ember]

sick

[midnight patrol]

I say keep it, swap out weakspot for flak, opening salvo for headhunter

Have fun melting crushers with a flashlight

[nimble sentinel]

I guess that would work, but definitely aim for a new one

[midnight patrol]

Yuh, but saying they can spend a bit of muns to make a fun gun, if not meta

[tall torrent]

On helbore 2, with 25% unarmored and 30% weakpoint talent, agile engagement allows u to one tap dreg gunners to the head (without crit, 15% elite or 2 stacks of tag keystone)

[nimble sentinel]

valid

[tall torrent]

It’s like 1362 dmg to the head with 25% unarmored and 30% weakpoint (79% dmg, 80% SP)

[stark hollow]

does anyone have a distance chart for longshot and at what range does what damage

[tall torrent]

Longshot is good for weapons that have regular falloff (autoguns usually)

[midnight patrol]

Vraks can pull this off too, fun little monster of a designated marksman rifle

[tall torrent]

Mk7HH doesn’t have a bayonet unfortunately

The bayonet can proc agile engagement

So u can stab one guy then immediately pop a gunner in the head

Without weapon swapping

[civic knot]

God roll?

[stark hollow]

cause im builcing columnus mkV and i feel longshot wont be that good considering all my blessings are for close range

[stark hollow]

its nice. considering you can focus fully on perks

[civic knot]

indeed

[stark hollow]

unless you really want to have both blessings at 4

[tall torrent]

Mk5 IAG I don’t think gets that much value out of LS because the gun kicks a lot for ranges where LS dmg boost matters

[sharp ember]

okay I briefly tested every other melee blessing that might have had a possibility of working, that's all we got

[civic knot]

how bout this?

[stark hollow]

its nice though i'd always want power cycler at 4

[civic knot]

scratch that

i meant this

[stark hollow]

honestly put pwercycle to 4 and then the rest is up to you on that one

[zealous wyvern]

any ps without cycler4 is a placeholder period

[stark hollow]

rampage 4 is nice

[zealous wyvern]

i do not think that one is good

[karmic musk]

Switch Rampage to Brutal Momentum

[zealous wyvern]

it has no 4s, unyielding and specialist

eh

[stark hollow]

eh i like rampage

[karmic musk]

BM has more impact than Rampage for the intended purpose of clearing hordes

[stark hollow]

elite is always a nice perk for psword

[zealous wyvern]

i would swap the perks and use it as placeholder until you get a better one

[zealous wyvern]

it is not elite though

it is specialist

[stark hollow]

yea i meant swap to elite oops

[zealous wyvern]

ah

[stark hollow]

would you rather use the mk 3 here or the mk 6

[bold sierra]

mk6

[keen sedge]

mk6

[vivid ocean]

im a 6 guy all the way

[sharp ember]

mk6 because it's a mk6

[vivid ocean]

3 works if you spam heavies

[tall torrent]

Mk3
But realistically it’s either BM or sunder for me, rampage doesn’t compete against those 2

[vivid ocean]

but 6 has that same capacity with other options like shove stab into overhead for cara

[keen sedge]

the leader, the gunner, the hider

[karmic musk]

His Rampage is locked

[stark hollow]

kek

[plush oracle]

👍

[sharp ember]

yeah, placeholder swords

rampage is decent at least

[stark hollow]

i got this as a backup

clean and untouched

[tall torrent]

Harvest wrath IV and move on

[stark hollow]

fair

[karmic musk]

Swap Wrath for BM, change Groaner to Carapace is what I would do

[sharp ember]

yeah, that would be 3/4ths optimized which would be pretty good

[novel moat]

They tease us with a heavy autogun.
I need it.

[untold mulch]

Absolute state of balance

[stark hollow]

would it be a heavy autogun or a light stubber?

[untold mulch]

Stubber I believe

[novel moat]

Probably just a stubber if we're trying to be accurate

Either way, I need a big full auto gun on Veteran

[untold mulch]

Fr

[sharp ember]

da heby stubber

[stark hollow]

i just want the scope on that lasgun

sweet sweet acogs

[plush oracle]

I want heavy stubber in art!

[karmic musk]

Pretty sure thats the Kantrael las scope

[untold mulch]

Heavy Stubber and Hellgun are begging to be in

[novel moat]

It would make me so happy to have a hotshot lasgun or stubber. You can get so many suppression bonuses, its so nice

[untold mulch]

We are fighting a Daemon every sortie, I need a bigger gun

[stark hollow]

nope we dont got that scope yet

[karmic musk]

Uh you talking about the Commando pic? that's the kantrael scope lol

The leader pic is not in i guess

[stark hollow]

middle pic?

[plush oracle]

And lo-stick cosmetic for veteran too

[novel moat]

Heavy stubbers are specifically only Ogryn weapons, regular stubbers are the stuff the dreg gunners use.

[untold mulch]

Fr

[novel moat]

If they don't make cigar cosmetic for vet at some point I'll riot.

[untold mulch]

I thought the nomenclature was the same, my bad

Yeah Stubber for Vet and Hellgun

[stark hollow]

yea meant the middle pic

[karmic musk]

If long-range scopes are in, you will see Vet casualty rates skyrocket

Everyone thinking this is counterstrike

[stark hollow]

kek

funny meme

me play rainbow six horde shooter

hur dur

[untold mulch]

Pop smoke

[novel moat]

It all gets nebulous and hard to identify after a certain point.
Like whats the main difference between a stubber and a high capacity autogun? No idea.

[plush oracle]

Indeed oh and Lho-stubs for ogryn

[stark hollow]

how much dakka it got

[untold mulch]

GW sucks at keeping the weaponry clear

[untold mulch]

See how much BS is the Hellgun and Hotshot debate

[stark hollow]

if gun shoot and you feel dakka big it be a stubba

[novel moat]

Probably the most accurate honestly.

[karmic musk]

Hellgun would prob come with its own class else no backpack

Outcast Engineer in Darktide

[untold mulch]

Yep

[plush oracle]

I really want use hotshot gun!

[untold mulch]

If class needs for backpack

I want it as class

[tall torrent]

U mean subclass?

[plush oracle]

Yeah like vermintide 2

[untold mulch]

better, yeah

[karmic musk]

Hmm what if they just expand the skill tree horizontally in this game

[novel moat]

I'm not sure why it would. I feel like a class that has that specific gun would have too much overlap with the vet.

[karmic musk]

Since the subclasses are literally just each line on the tree

[plush oracle]

It could be extra skill tree I think pals?

[tall torrent]

Cuz I don’t think they’d do a 5th main class just for “hellgun”

[karmic musk]

It would be for all the heavy weapons

[stark hollow]

unless you need to unequip backpack for in order to equip gun

[untold mulch]

Just make it a Gunner subclass, and his thing is just having all the dakka

Stubbers

hellguns, volley guns

[karmic musk]

Melta, multilaser

[versed merlin]

what are the best blessings and perks for shovel?

[untold mulch]

Multilaser too heavy

Multilas makes more sense for Ogryn

[tall torrent]

Uncanny strike + decimator

[stark hollow]

can a normal dude even use a multilas

[karmic musk]

gimme some skitarri rad weapon

[untold mulch]

I assume if its on a tripod

[versed merlin]

thamk

[stark hollow]

i know technically a normal dude can use a heavy boltgun like a minigun

cause it has grav assist

[novel moat]

That seems more plausible as they add new stuff. Guardsman getting essentially his version of the gun lugger.

[karmic musk]

Its your ult, pop out a tripod weapon

[untold mulch]

Yep

[tall torrent]

Gunner subclass ult: place down a multilas and become turret

[novel moat]

His only combat ability:
All shots fired draw directly from the reserve, not the magazine.

[untold mulch]

I think the biggest question rn about it is

how tf are gonna be additions to the archetype

new lines? new tree that needs to be exchanged?

[novel moat]

It would need a UI overhaul honestly.

[pastel geode]

https://tenor.com/view/the-russian-badger-fire-a-warning-shot-m32grenade-launcher-m32rotary-grenade-launcher-gif-22095991

This is what we need

[tall torrent]

Extended branches of existing tree I’d assume
But I don’t think they’ll do anything like that for the near future

[untold mulch]

If they had any braincell, it already is "programmed" in

you don't do an overhaul

and forget to add possibility of future additions

Wait

they would

[tall torrent]

We essentially got 8 subclasses in 1 giant update followed by a massive weapon patch that made almost every weapon playable

[untold mulch]

[karmic musk]

Or plotwist the new skill tree extends upwards from the base node

[novel moat]

Yeah. Cause like, where are they going to even fit a whole new subclass tree on the current section?

[stark hollow]

$10 says FS plans to dripfeed us content for the next 10 years

[untold mulch]

Ngl, future tree expanding in all sides make sense on some level?

Like basic one goes down, next goes up, left, right

[crude wind]

i hope so

[old quail]

[novel moat]

lmao just have a big Class circle.

[crude wind]

they won't add to current trees

[karmic musk]

10 years later its a path of exile tree

[crude wind]

they'll just add new ones imo

[old quail]

it would be such a headache

what i see coming is paid dlc classes or w/e

like admech tech adept or smth

[untold mulch]

Yeah, I heard people saying addition to the new lines, but that would require redesigning the position.

Just dumb

[crude wind]

same

[stark hollow]

10 years later we finally get a new class

[crude wind]

ya it's just a nonsensical direction

[tall torrent]

FS breaking veteran tree for the 3rd time in a row:

[karmic musk]

New class would need 3 skill lines or ppl riot

[old quail]

ofc

[crude wind]

we will see admech class in game I reckon

[untold mulch]

Admech class is begged

[karmic musk]

So it aint happening

[old quail]

im very hopeful for admech cuz it would be cool and u know it would sell

[crude wind]

we'll see

[untold mulch]

Honestly I see Vet already with a Gunner focused side

[tall torrent]

I think new weapons are definitely plausible tho
Imagine a new lasgun family where the weapon special has u throw an overcharged battery pack as a makeshift grenade

[novel moat]

I can only imagine Admech will arrive at some point.

[crude wind]

same dude, i'd buy it in a heartbeat. also probably a shoe in for an easy DLC

[karmic musk]

Tentacle spammer weeb class

[stark hollow]

Its 2 missions per map right?

if im not wrong

[gusty sonnet]

Probably whole new classes as DLC is my guess. We can get up to 8 characters created so makes sense it's for future classes

[old quail]

per tileset? seems to be roughly about 3

[tall torrent]

Or the Krieg anti-tank lance thing where you get to shove it at any large target and deal devastating dmg but go down

[old quail]

carnival isn't finished but p sure throneside, torrent, and chasm terminus all have 3

3 desert maps too

[untold mulch]

THey would need to make so many new lines, unless they are "subclasses"

[karmic musk]

Japanese tactics

[novel moat]

It kinda already exists with his left tree, its only thats its more geared towards marksman rather than support gunner. Even then some of the abilities fit really well for having a big gun.
Like shocktrooper, suppression bonuses and immunity. The ammo replenishment.

[stark hollow]

i hope we get more methods to choose missions

[pastel geode]

Skitarii would probably explode the writers heads trying to explain how the hell we can suddenly supply their exotic gear while being a lone ship in an active warzone.

[untold mulch]

New additions probably will do as VT2 where I heard depending on subclass it has new voicelines nad loses others?

A LOT easier to do

[karmic musk]

Why Skitarii, its literally metal Vet

More like combat tech priest

[old quail]

the problem is if you expand the talent tree you either power creep (we don't need this) or make it harder to cross the lines to make the char you want (we don't need this)

i dont see it happening

[sharp ember]

if admech comes, reject longlas, embrace transauranic arquebus

[untold mulch]

Yeah, imo left side of Vet tree is a fucking unfocused mess

[untold mulch]

"FUCK ANYTHING ON THE WAY" Cannon

[stark hollow]

i just want to use the cancer ray

[midnight patrol]

Isnt it a gunpowder firearm with electric charge smart bullets?

[sharp ember]

equip time: 4 seconds

[gusty sonnet]

WDYM new lines? Also I dont see how Admech (most likely to be added next) can fit as a new branch in one of the current class. It'll be a class itself with its 3 paths

[tall torrent]

I think they should move the firerate buff from weapon specialist to marksman focus, personally

[novel moat]

Its cause they tried to fit a lot of his old stuff into there. And the old skill tree was already trying to encompass a good bit while being super limited. So it has an identity crises rn.

[karmic musk]

if each class has 3 paths, we will be getting very few new classes for this game xd

[untold mulch]

Voicelines

Imagine adding a new class

Now you need to do 3-6 new voices interacting with the 21 others

[gusty sonnet]

oh yeah voice lines

[untold mulch]

No way

But if its a modifier

so Normal vet and Gunner Vet have the same VA,

hypothetically

[forest blaze]

I see maybe 1 additional class but not much more besides that.

[stark hollow]

if hellgun subclass gets added we defo need to pay money for it

[untold mulch]

So Gunner may have specific subclass voicelines

[zealous wyvern]

8 chars?

[untold mulch]

but shares the normal "guardsman" lines

[karmic musk]

Hellgun would not need ammo, instead uses battery mechanic like OE

[forest blaze]

I definitely might pay more for it 😂

[pastel geode]

Hellgun would have to be a weapon

[sharp ember]

those are galvanic rifles, which are smaller standard issue skitarii rifles, this one is basically just an oversize sniper

[novel moat]

I just don't see it a hellgun being reserved for a specific subclass

like at all.

[midnight patrol]

Uses the same propellant and ammo tech though yeah?

[untold mulch]

I would do it as left side doubling down on being a marskman, and then the "gunner" subclass for us who love pulling the trigger and forgetting about problems

[novel moat]

Its way too much work when its way easier to just have the gun and sacrifice some cosmetic stuff.

[forest blaze]

I’d love to see a AdMech class at some point, personally.

[stark hollow]

just change lasguns in general so that crouching by a fire restores ammo like how laspacks can be charged by yeeting them into a fire

[untold mulch]

The groundwork is already there

[gusty sonnet]

Yeah a mod "unlock" the front end to create up to 8 instead of the 5 currently. They are still stored on FS servers

[sharp ember]

not really sure, the defining characteristic of the sniper is that it fires depleted """transauranium"""

[untold mulch]

Outcast Engineer code is right there to be used for the Hellgun

[pastel geode]

How are you gonna explain a skitarii being on an inquisition prison boat though?

[midnight patrol]

.. Ahhh right, standard bare bones unit lore from GW lol

[zealous wyvern]

huuuuh

[karmic musk]

Swap between Single Shot long range or full spam, whats the third option

[forest blaze]

Ghosts

[untold mulch]

Writers really just slap words together

[midnight patrol]

Mummy Hadron was tired of her restraining orders being ignored

[sharp ember]

the scientific word implies the bullet is made out of something denser than Uranium

that's all we got

[novel moat]

I mean, yeah? But again it's just WAY EASIER to have the weapon itself basically function on a cooldown + ammo mechanic like the plasma gun and just be a regular Vet gun.

[untold mulch]

Burst? or if three lines, maybe a Stubber and that one has ammo drop in exchange of more burst dps?

[karmic musk]

Inquisitorial Storm Trooper class with Outcast Engineer mechanic

Only has primary weapon for melee, ult is Hellgun variant

No secondary weapon

[untold mulch]

My dream

[karmic musk]

Wait OE can use range, nvm

[untold mulch]

just have it sidearm only for range?

idk

Sidearm + Melee
Ability is going ham

[pastel geode]

We just need the arsenal to be expanded and the tree improved honestly

[novel moat]

^^^^

[midnight patrol]

The first class with a primary ranged weapon, a secondary sidearm, and melee

[novel moat]

Despite the left tree being unfocused, I do like it and think it would only need some slight tuning to make it more appropriate for that kind of gunner playstyle.

[stark hollow]

would be lit

[untold mulch]

That or only melee

[midnight patrol]

Seems like it would make too big a difference

[forest blaze]

I’d fuckin love a grenade launcher

[untold mulch]

I am spitballing ideas, I assume Fatshark already has plans

[midnight patrol]

Like, imagine Oggy's could carry heavy stubbers and some kind of sidearm lmao

[karmic musk]

I'm still waiting for my Grail Knight equivalent in this game

[plush oracle]

Me too sah!

I love boom

[stark hollow]

maybe the hellgun/stubber would be an ability but also a weapon. so you can mod it but to use it you have to activate an ability

[untold mulch]

Mhmm

[midnight patrol]

If Oggy's got a M79 style grenade launcher with impact fused grenades, that would have been baller

[stark hollow]

and you get limited ammo per ability use

[pastel geode]

Give us more spicy options, vet machine gun, guardsman grenade launcher, semi auto pistols, hellgun, las-sniper, etc.

[novel moat]

I want the zealot to get a two handed powersword.

[midnight patrol]

Having them as delayed fuse suuucks

[whole moon]

Between the GG, the Rumbler and the Kickback I'm not sure what it would add to the game

[stark hollow]

soon. its alr in the files

[untold mulch]

Outcast Engineer ability had a refilling mechanic

So you cranked it and it slowly refilled to full, and anytime you could hit F and use it again even mid-charge

[karmic musk]

Can we bring Kerillian's Staff to Darktide, I want to levitate some Crushers

[forest blaze]

Idk I think the hellgun will just be a big gun. Nothing special in terms of new mechanics for abilities and such. It’ll just be a bitchin gun.

[novel moat]

I've seen it yeah, I just want it lol

[untold mulch]

Kinda boring

[desert thicket]

what blessings are good on shredder ?

[fossil basalt]

Kickback slug gonna be lit

[untold mulch]

Maybe because I am a Scion fanboy, but I wish the Hotshot/Hellgun had an unique gameplay vibe, instead of just las, but bigger

[novel moat]

Thats just a tank cannon.

[karmic musk]

Unlimited ammo but you must spin it up, ohwait

[whole moon]

Not a million miles from the truth lol

[untold mulch]

Yep exactly

Well not spin it but you gotta do something to keep it full

[forest blaze]

Yah I don’t think it’ll be anything crazy. Just a big cool gun without the battery pack.

[tropic marsh]

Who can tell me what is the difference between power swords for a veteran? Which one is better?

[novel moat]

I'm also a huge scion fan. But it really doesn't need a whole new system for it, I would be perfectly satisfied if it was just a new weapon type.

[plush oracle]

Well two handed powersword model in data and can use model by weapon customizing mode

[untold mulch]

Hellgun without the backpack is just shoot twice, reload

[stark hollow]

so the npc guardsmen can have a lemun russ ch0de tank but we cant let the ogryn carry one?

[forest blaze]

Yah

[untold mulch]

Boring

And as I said

[forest blaze]

Game design

[untold mulch]

THE CODE IS THERE

[karmic musk]

Definitely need a Leman Russ Battle Tank subclass

[pastel geode]

Movesets for the attacks, I’m not an expert on those though

[untold mulch]

Outcast Engineer is right there

they already have the skeleton of the subclass

there

[novel moat]

The veteran is basically already a scion with some of their abilities. They really only need the drip to make it official.

[forest blaze]

Bolt pistol is there too…

Where my boltpistol

[tropic marsh]

Understood thanks

[forest blaze]

Also. Where plasma pistol?

[untold mulch]

Hell, one of the background choices wasn't you being from their school?

[stark hollow]

true. we get carapace armor alr as well from the redacted penances

[pastel geode]

Space marines are hogging them

[forest blaze]

Bastards

[stark hollow]

screw em. i'll steal their neo volkite weapons

[karmic musk]

What if.. Xenos Weapon Pack DLC

[stark hollow]

i wish i could

[forest blaze]

I literally can’t. Too many frag grenades

[karmic musk]

I mean we being an Inquisitor band after all xd

[pastel geode]

Honestly even more variety on the bolter would be welcome

[wild lantern]

the more i look at devil claw the more i find its a "bad" weapon in comparison of other horde weapon, at least it have the holy counter

[pastel geode]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-gif-25567321

[stark hollow]

i wanna steal the captain's iron halo/shield generator

[forest blaze]

They need to send out some inquisitor cosmetics ffs. Give me xeno bones grafted onto my weapons

[median belfry]

is there a lore reason why the infantry lasgun has recoil

[desert thicket]

what is the 'best' autogun?

[stark hollow]

ok but digi weapons like the rings would be lit af

[novel moat]

I mean, yeah a little. But it just isn't the same as a full body suit. Especially not without the full visor helmet:

[stark hollow]

imagine having a ring and then you use finger guns to kill enemies

[pastel geode]

Agripinna

[median belfry]

I fuck hardest with the braced ones

[desert thicket]

yea but what mk?

[stark hollow]

fuck now i cant unimagine inquisitors and rouge traders with the ring weapons not using finger guns to shoot people

[pastel geode]

That reminds me rogue trader drops soon

[stark hollow]

yup

[umbral scaffold]

i think agripiina

[sharp ember]

columnus mk 5 infantry autogun

[umbral scaffold]

since its the only one with stopping power

[stark hollow]

itll be hilarious

[cerulean void]

kanXII: does first salvo+efficiency and a focus keystone work well? or is it still better to make melee usable via the weapon specialist tree?

[half ginkgo]

fucking finally, a bolter with both open perks!

[desert thicket]

fanks

[stark hollow]

imagine vet saying "pew pew pew" and lasers coming out of his finger guns

[pallid shoal]

what plasma blessings are best for shout vet?

[half ginkgo]

blaze and glory/gets hot

[pastel geode]

There’s only 1 agripinna model for brautos and iag each, headhunters I couldn’t tell you cause I ignore them in favor of brrt

I’m not sure, they only ever really show the m35 in media

Even with space marines

[stark hollow]

i think a laslock would be a good meme

[pastel geode]

I bet melk owns one for home defense

[novel moat]

True.

[half ginkgo]

old mk. 1 plasma? faster rof but you splode yourself faster and more spectacularly with it

[sharp ember]

if you want as much damage as possible, Deadly Accurate + Headhunter are the blessings you want. Regarding marksman's focus keystone, I'm not sure how much value you're really going to get because MG12 already 1-2 headshots the majority of enemies

[eternal sable]

which one would you guys use between the two and why ?

[sharp ember]

efficiency is meh, infantry lasguns do not have ammo issues unless you're dedicated to wasting ammo

[stark hollow]

isnt left the go to here

its almost perfect

[eternal sable]

my thoughts too fun but jw

[cerulean void]

yeah until they buff Accatrans again I'm trying to find alternatives to my hit and run + stripped down brauto build

[sharp ember]

Opening Salvo is functional, just outclassed

[stark hollow]

left is basically perfect

[pastel geode]

Left, the maniac buff will get more mileage that the crit damage and it has better rending. The 4 extra damage on the right ain’t worth -10% rending

[eternal sable]

thanks for your imputs

i've crafted 12 revolvers now and i think ive found the one

[pastel geode]

If I was a ratling I would steal your revolver XD

[eternal sable]

in a perfect world id have 80 everything including reload

[tall torrent]

left easily

[stark hollow]

youd be hard pressed to get a better one. unless FS increases the max modifyer from 380 to like 400+

[cerulean void]

mmmm red weapons

[pastel geode]

Honestly they need to add an option the upgrade the stats on guns if/when red weapons drop

[cerulean void]

throne let it be a diamantine sink please

[finite imp]

wake
melk doesnt have shit
do it over again

[cerulean void]

lots of shit is "Already in the game" lol

[pastel geode]

Let me burn my resources min maxing the stats

[stark hollow]

not too much of a diamantine sink though

id rather not have to farm more than one resource

fax it to me

[finite imp]

???

[untold mulch]

But the retention the farm would give? -

[cerulean void]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

[finite imp]

you already have to farm one that requires the other

so???

[stark hollow]

diamantine is basically free at this point

its also drops less than plasteel

[pastel geode]

You’d still need to get the right combo on perks and blessings on the gun first

[stark hollow]

if they have a expensive diamantine sink we'd be short on both

[pastel geode]

Kinda like the division

[cerulean void]

reds in vermintide made it so the rollable "stats" would always be maxed out

I'd be curious to see if that's just 80% in some stats or choosing 100% in X stats

sames, just worrying about perks and blessings then

[stark hollow]

id spend a 1000 diamantine to max out the base stats on a weapon

[pastel geode]

I’d accept still having the locks if I could make every stat 100%

[cerulean void]

1k to bring any wep from yellow to a confirmed... what, 400? 80s in all 5 stats?

[untold mulch]

I would pay more tbh

[stark hollow]

i only have 12k

[untold mulch]

same tbh

[stark hollow]

well 13k

[untold mulch]

I very much prefer clear steps to a goal (even if grindy) than rolling the dice

[stark hollow]

i want less grind tbh. i like grinding but at this point its like grinding my balls on sandpaper

[untold mulch]

If Hadron bricks another gun, Imma revive Horus to do a second go

[untold mulch]

oh definitely, but if I had to choose the lesser evil

[stark hollow]

let us change 3 things on a weapon rather than 2 and id be happy

[untold mulch]

just break the fucking locks

[stark hollow]

i mean rng for the grey weapons is alr a pain in the ass

[untold mulch]

Mhmm

[stark hollow]

i wish i could see masozi beating brunts ass

the only ogryn who isnt cool is brunt

[pastel geode]

So super off topic, have any of you tried Avorion? One of my friends is wanting me to try it but I want some outside input

[stark hollow]

hell is that

[civic knot]

Which dmg perk should i run on this?

[stark hollow]

maniac

[pastel geode]

As far as I can tell a fusion of the X4 franchise and space engineers

[low wadi]

does dumdum exist on brauto?

[pastel geode]

Yep

[low wadi]

no right?

[stark hollow]

eh its cheap and on sale

[low wadi]

oh

[stark hollow]

why not just try it

[civic knot]

if i could change both perks, what would u ideally run?

[low wadi]

dumdum should be good on brauto no?

[stark hollow]

most likely flaniac

[civic knot]

Why prioritize maniac tho?

[stark hollow]

mutants dreg ragers

tox flamer and trpper

[civic knot]

hmm

ye true

[pastel geode]

I’m a penny pincher cause I’m between jobs atm, but true I can always refund before 2 hours

[civic knot]

is good

[stark hollow]

ah

well get the cheapest version and dont get dlc then

[pastel geode]

Now we’re going galaxy brain

[stark hollow]

i'd say watch gameplay on youtube first tho

[final rapids]

Some shit ass said I was a shitty vet and I should go back to level 3

I'm gonna play more Damnation out of spite

[stark hollow]

were you a shitty vet though?

[cerulean void]

that's not what this is about

[stark hollow]

be honest here

[pastel geode]

I’m about to, if it does end up being good I’m gonna build a super carrier

[stark hollow]

nice

[pastel geode]

Why did they say that and what class were they?

[nimble sentinel]

I willingly magdump into poxwalker hordes and I'm consistently smashing auric damnation. They don't know what a shitty vet is. Keep up the good work, King

[twilit crane]

Got myself a powersword, what do I slap on it for max killing potential

[umbral scaffold]

which mark

[languid escarp]

the first thing you need to do is spend an absurd amount of time looking for power cycle 4

[junior needle]

Unfortunate roll. Flak/maniac are go-to but the infantry lasguns have dogshit damage to flak by default and really good maniac damage.

So you could either try to make up for their naturally shit flak or roll with extra maniac killing power.

You could technically keep the stamina for more deadshot/dnd effectiveness and change specialists

[brave scarab]

alright best shout build go

[empty creek]

who darkin they tide RN

[empty creek]

IDK.

hope this helps

[sharp ember]

Power Cycler 4 + Brutal Momentum/Sunder (for fighting crusher patrols). Rampage and Slaughterer are OK placeholders

[junior needle]

I'm up clutchin my pearls RN

[empty creek]

she tide on my dark till i 40k

[brave scarab]

this emote makes me ugly laugh

[junior needle]

Very much depends on what weapon you're using

[nimble sentinel]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa29726-c30a-4f57-ac9f-c429bc669d34/my-job-is-gun-lasgun-veteran?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

I am incredibly biased, play this game too much, and have a trigger finger made of ceramite

If you think I am wrong

lol

[junior needle]

"My job is gun", takes shout over exe

I've been deceived

[final rapids]

I did fine

We all did fine

[nimble sentinel]

how else are you going to serenade to the masses that your name is Ken and that anywhere else you'd be a 10?

[final rapids]

Another vet
Just said I was shitty and I should go back to level 3

The Ogryns vouched for me so I know I'm not just huffing my own gas here

[nimble sentinel]

also knocking the poxers in your face over means you have more time to keep shooting

[junior needle]

"If something is hitting you in melee, it's your teams job to take care of it." - The vets in my games

[nimble sentinel]

if you're good at your job, there will be nothing hitting you in melee

(and I'm not a total psychopath, I do use the sword)

[junior needle]

Just shoot all the melee chaffe and they can't melee you

[final rapids]

Revolver vets seething rn

[nimble sentinel]

stfu nerd shouldn't you be arguing with the zealot over who gets the ammo?

-me, never running out of batteries

[river escarp]

Should I change Range Damage for Flak or Unyielding

[frank ether]

why is the %25 ammo so far down the sharpshooter tree

and why is it an unavoidable choice to go further down lmao

any lasgun sharpshooter build ends up stacking survivalist shock trooper and %25 ammo

really mind boggling design process

[near sable]

flak...

get yourself a delicious anti shooter mk4

[river escarp]

Indeed not only that but Weapon Specialists has 2 perks that do the same thing and don't really give you a reason to pick the second one. First one reloads your weapon for 3.5% for each stack and the seconds increases reload speed. Why pick the reload speed in the first place ?

[nimble sentinel]

that's almost enough ammo to be viable with recon

[whole moon]

any suggestions for this?

[junior needle]

Yall gonna make me post it again, up in here

[frank ether]

that also annoys me to no end but at least its avoidable

you dont have to take that one

you can pretend it doesnt exist

[river escarp]

Yeah "Always Prepared" and "Fleeting Fire" Why pick Fleeting Fire

[frank ether]

of all the talent trees sharpshooter just the least flexible

[junior needle]

vs

[river escarp]

Conditioning also doesn't make any sense. Stam Reduction on attacks or running ? If its running I can see it working to get close to enemies but You are swiching weapons when they are already on you.

[near sable]

still sneeding about it are we

[river escarp]

Always... I am still butt hurt for the 70 euro of Diablo 4. I am not letting this one off either

[keen sedge]

do people still use the recon seriously?

[frank ether]

its useful for bashing/blocking

[nimble sentinel]

but you forget, with shocktrooper I get 3—or maybe 4—of those shots back for free!

😭

[river escarp]

You get a 10% dodge distance. You can dance in cirles with the dodge+slide combo and pushing doesn't really costs that much

[junior needle]

Most have gotten the point that the guns are big shit but I still occasionally see people using them (poorly) in aurics. They're almost always melee chaffe shooters.

[near sable]

but you forget, with shocktrooper I get 3-or maybe 4- of those back shots for free!

[frank ether]

not every weapon has good dodges, dodges are finite before they go ineffective

[whole moon]

no Spade users on? Ok, any suggestions for this?

[keen sedge]

what recon is the best of all of them?

[nimble sentinel]

Columnus IAG

[frank ether]

columnus iag

[river escarp]

What weapons are you going to use with the Weapon Specialists tho ?

[sick marsh]

The trinkets are far too large on the combat knife.

[whole moon]

faith endures o7

[nimble sentinel]

there is no more saving the recons, they had their brief moment under the sun and it has since gone

[frank ether]

I use power sword and deadshot iag

[junior needle]

I hear rending strikes/deci are best for shovel. Both of those are poorly rolled though.

[frank ether]

I need stamina for blocking and push attack

[sick marsh]

You could get greater practicality out of using the trinket to wield the knife around on the end of the chain.

[whole moon]

Thanks man

[cerulean void]

I just need a lasgun that goes brrrrrrt brrrrt that isn't an ammo hose for no reason

[near sable]

he shoots all his bullets then has no stamina to push horde

[nimble sentinel]

MG IV, brrrrrt's as fast as your finger does

[swift thistle]

All lasguns aren’t ammo hoses as long as you have survivalist + shock trooper

[frank ether]

keystone gives stamina on bar swap too

My only problem is its split into two modifiers

instead of a single one

[untold mulch]

If on pc

use FullAuto mod for kark sake

[swift thistle]

On my recon build I don’t ever need to pick up ammo once throughout an entire damnation run

[nimble sentinel]

I will only ever mod my install to remove the reflex sight on my lasgun and use irons

(I'm too lazy to set up mods every update)

[frank ether]

recon users when they do 200k ranged damage and pick up 14 ammo tins

who posted that in here btw I forgor

[untold mulch]

Wait someone did that ?

[frank ether]

I saw a screenshot like that yea

[untold mulch]

Peak Recon Performance

eat all ammo, do jackshit

[junior needle]

You probably aren't doing much with the gun then, they're quite ammo inefficient and have big shit damage mods to multiple armor types with chunky boys

[frank ether]

at least bolter kills stuff in a reasonable timeframe

[keen sedge]

cant find it

[nimble sentinel]

it's an autogun, don't use recon las

[frank ether]

recons just need a rework at this point

I dont think rending build was good for the game

and I dont want it back

[keen sedge]

just tell me the best recon and lemme try it

[untold mulch]

Recon is the weapon where all devs vent their nerfs

[junior needle]

I am interested to see your setup and scoreboards however. I know doc did something like that in regular damnation but he did so by leveraging a bunch of temporary power boosts from the tree and having a ton of headshot uptime. But that's only salvaging the guns poor base performance with a lot of effort.

[untold mulch]

Recon was sacrificed for our sins 🙏

[karmic musk]

Whats wrong with Rending, its just reduced by some %

Columnus now has same build except Shock Trooper lmao

[untold mulch]

VId

[frank ether]

dumbs down the game

[nimble sentinel]

Malcador the Reconite

[frank ether]

whats the point of heavy armor if you get a perk that lets you fucking ignore it

[sharp epoch]

i think peoples isssue was rending is it reduced the identity of other guns like bolter or plasma for armor destroyers

[untold mulch]

Yep, is having high performance despite the gun

[junior needle]

And only because of the talent tree

[karmic musk]

I would say its healthy for the game incase you didnt notice not alot of guns or Vet melee deal with armor well

[untold mulch]

[cerulean void]

if we don't get a kind of volley gun, recons really need a tone shift

[untold mulch]

I still do jack to Carapace

Need to rethink my autogun build

[frank ether]

you have bolter, plasma, helbores, vraks etc

hell even infantry autoguns can do it

[sharp epoch]

ehh have your melee deal with carapace

[junior needle]

Worth noting that I was able to make a lazymans infantry lasgun build that got similar or better results to his recon setup, with no ammo pickups needed and near zero headshot uptime. No typed damage or temporary boosts either.

[frank ether]

magdump at head with columnus iag

[karmic musk]

If you have full Onslaught, Crushers die to IAG

[frank ether]

takes like 40 shots

[untold mulch]

I try, but chainsword gets me killed vs crushers if I slip up

[untold mulch]

I am thinking of getting onslaught

[cerulean void]

any weapon vs crushers will get you killed if you slip up lol

[karmic musk]

You have the fastest fire rate gun, why don't you have it kek

[cerulean void]

crushers will kill you if you slip up

[empty creek]

U can parry crusher overheads

[untold mulch]

Because I am using Agri

[sharp epoch]

PS6 is with carapace perk will 2-3 shot them

[untold mulch]

Counterpoint

[cerulean void]

on one weapon type, aye

[untold mulch]

Chainsword vrrrrom vrrrrom makes brain happy

[empty creek]

so now U have 2 weapon type that can easily counter crushers

[karmic musk]

Parry and it doesnt kill them lul

[empty creek]

not so bad after all

[sharp epoch]

Take chainsword with a gun that can deal woth carapace then

[empty creek]

smartest man in the room

[untold mulch]

I know,

[karmic musk]

Indeed I am

[empty creek]

huge ugly pulsating brain

[frank ether]

Its easy to move behind them for the rev-up attack while they are recovering from their overhead attack

[untold mulch]

mhmm, I try to do that

Though I try to avoid baiting the overhead

because servers are dogshit

[frank ether]

thats how I tend to do it or while they're busy aggro'd on others

[nimble sentinel]

have we forgotten?

[frank ether]

I run chainsword on stealth vet with threat reduction

also helpful

[untold mulch]

Lately servers are like in the Eye Of Terror

[karmic musk]

Once PS gets nerfed again, builds are going to be heavily restrictive

Or just bring Krak kek

[cerulean void]

throne tell me about it

[empty creek]

shredders have more uses than kraks

[swift thistle]

Chain weapons are good against un-armoured, high health enemies, like mutants and reapers, but being locked in with crushers or maulers can be deadly, if anything use your gun to kill them

[cerulean void]

me waiting for smokes to be more viable:

[empty creek]

just have onslaught

[swift thistle]

Or krak

[untold mulch]

Tzeentch is eating all the bandwith 😔

[junior needle]

I thought it was just me, no wonder my inputs have been feeling wonky

[frank ether]

why does power sword need nerfing again?

[karmic musk]

Not if you're anti armor variety gets destroyed

[karmic musk]

you on copium, have you seen PS6?

[swift thistle]

I like smokes

[cerulean void]

smokes are lit lol

[frank ether]

what about it?

[untold mulch]

I am missing half my audio cues and changing weapons are a nightmare

[nimble sentinel]

there are some legends out there making smokes save games

[frank ether]

d.claw can hold a button that lets them win any melee engagement but power sword needs nerf ok dude

[north raptor]

hey, what's the value of executioner's stance outlining everything? does it outline them for longer than the duration of the stance?

[cerulean void]

smokes can change a room from "oh fuck" to "swords out for the heretics"

[sharp ember]

psword became the fastest horde clearer AND anti-armor tool with stagger, again

[swift thistle]

I feel like a fucking god when I am surrounded by gunners, throw one at my feet, they run in, and I backstab knife heavy one shot them, like who needs smoke that can kill people when I AM THE DEATH

[karmic musk]

ah yes DClaw the defensive weapon can beat power sword

full bad faith argument

[sharp ember]

12 crushers: "shit i sure wish i had a devil claw"

[frank ether]

defensive weapon that lets me solo bosses

[wanton dawn]

I still think ps6 is the best generalist vet melee. The only thing i cant handle with it is dh

[empty creek]

he hasn’t used a max stam melee vet build using a good dclaw

[karmic musk]

sure bro

[frank ether]

parry overhead crusher

[empty creek]

parrying nuclear explosions & shit

[frank ether]

parry instakill rager

zero effort

[empty creek]

parry rape entire hordes

parry alimony

[cerulean void]

you can see stuff around corners, and if your allies can see it too then everyone knows where things are

plus orange highlight way easier to see than red imo