veteran-class

[elder vessel]

Chainaxe just desperately needs a buff

[whole moon]

The handful of people who use the ChAxe will say yes

[tall torrent]

But a true godroll Rashad axe is prob the hardest thing to roll for in the entire game

[elder vessel]

Cuz its the only axe in the game thats actually cool

[devout atlas]

i got a god rashad but still use mk2 tax because rashad is so fucking boring dawg

also rashads special is useless

[elder vessel]

Don't come to me with those boring ass tacky axes, this is 40k not vermintide, don't expect me to swing around a simple piece of metal

[devout atlas]

ok

anyway

[whole moon]

Taste is a weird thing, I've heard a few people love the look of the ChAxe, I cant understand why, it looks like you bought garden tools from Amazon and it's half escaped the box to me

[tall torrent]

Rashad true godroll is so absurdly complicated to roll for:

75% damage
75% penetration
75% finesse
75% first target
Unarmored
Flak
Brutal momentum
Headtaker / decimator / thrust

[elder vessel]

We got powered swords, chainsaws and hell harnessing swords and you want me to use a normal axe

[devout atlas]

tax2 moveset is fun and special fucks hard, radhad has a damn near worthless heavy that's only useable against crushers with a useless special and everything else is light spam which is good but zzzzzz

[sonic grove]

I like the flavor of the axes but I'm attached to a very particular idea of being a DKOK trench raider

[thorn yoke]

Rashad axe has overtaken antax?

[devout atlas]

yeah due to breakpoints n shit

[stone birch]

I like power swords and Dclaws. I feel very knightly/samurai like when I use them

[whole moon]

Perks got me 😦 still works fine

[devout atlas]

Dclaws fuck although lack synergy with melee build

they're great on plasma imho

[sonic grove]

Can anything else get mercy killer?

[devout atlas]

nop

only knife

[thick rose]

the push attack on rashad rules

swipe

[tall torrent]

It works fine but you need unarmored + flak for both bruisers’ 1 shot breakpoints and that’s the hard part

[devout atlas]

it's poopy ass damage

[sonic grove]

bit sad innit

[tall torrent]

Also uh, you really want brutal momentum on that axe

[thick rose]

it just makes me feel safe in any situation

[tall torrent]

Brutal momentum is a must have

[whole moon]

And I don't like Decimator too much, drops stacks on a missed attack, which happens a lot

[devout atlas]

yeah you want BM on every caxe and tax

[sonic grove]

it's so bizarre that one blessing is the difference between the axes being trash and being god tier

[devout atlas]

should be removed and made basekit same with power cycler

[tall torrent]

Much like on power swords u need PC

[whole moon]

Powersword says Hi

[tall torrent]

Or uncanny strike on knife

Or uncanny strike on shovel

Or headhunter on infantry lasguns

[whole moon]

Thrust on a Thammer

[devout atlas]

or haymaker on mk1/2 clubs

[tall torrent]

Or dum dum on IAGs

[whole moon]

I'm seeing a pattern here Rejects

[tall torrent]

There’re many must-take blessings on ur weapons

[devout atlas]

nah but axes without BM are actually dogshit

same with pswords

other weapons aren't that bad

[sonic grove]

I wish I could get power cycler 4

[thorn yoke]

Just believe in the heart of the... consecrations?

[elder vessel]

6 bricked shotguns later

[grand sable]

what blessing to pair with BM

[tired ember]

Believe in the hadron that believes in you

[grand sable]

headtaker?

[thorn yoke]

Look, Hadron just really wants all of your Plasteel

[sleek cairn]

rashad so tricky tho, one wrong stat and it's over

[raw turtle]

there you go... think both blessings will be changed.

[tall torrent]

Change to PC4 + BM/Sunder, good sword

[whole moon]

There's a pricy way to improve your chances of PC4 but your not gonna like it.
Raise blue weapons with a blessing on em already. It can't roll that one again so.....

[tall torrent]

I just bought PC4 from melk and harvested it today

Costed 3215 melk bucks

[grand sable]

best I can do is supercharge IV

[tall torrent]

I had a godroll PS6 with PC4 already tho

Just harvest for the collection

[thorn yoke]

I feel like getting a good rashad will be less worth my while than just using my antax

[whole moon]

--hugs-- it's not enough 😦

[tall torrent]

Antax has the same exact requirement except u don’t need cleave to be rolled as high

[grand sable]

also is this worth rolling

[tall torrent]

This is fine, gl

[thorn yoke]

I'm calling this good enough, really

[whole moon]

If you want a Antax yeah but the Rashad I was told has a higher damage potential due to it having Finesse which Antax doesnt

[tall torrent]

That finesse difference is 2 shotting bulwarks with overheads

Antax needs a special to re-stagger then overhead

[raw turtle]

next one to be upgraded

[tall torrent]

But Antax does have a great special which helps against ragers

[thorn yoke]

interesting. well I'll keep an eye out rashads now I guess

[grand sable]

what blessing should I replace with bm, decap?

[whole moon]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

This is the best Rashad I’ve got so far

[whole moon]

It's going to be ok but like me your gonna be saving for better.
I try not to let perfection get in the way of function but sometimes you gotta aim high

[split sapphire]

I got those 2 on mine

[atomic zephyr]

is this alright?

at least as a base

[grave goblet]

Thoughts?

[atomic zephyr]

what tier do man-stopper and flechette appear at?

[tall torrent]

II

[atomic zephyr]

bruh, both 2? how do i reliably roll that?

[tall torrent]

buy from requisition and harvest

u can't get them from consecration

[sleek cairn]

question, when soloing auric maelstrom with no bots, is it better to backtrack for bosses or find a chokepoint

[tall torrent]

so u better get 1 good perk + 1 good blessing already

[ruby fulcrum]

Or make a new vet or zealot get to lvl 15 and dump your plasteel there

[sleek cairn]

im having trouble soloing auric maelstrom with no bots for patch 15

it was waay easier prior.

[whole moon]

I hear if you can find a door.....

[sleek cairn]

spam E LOL

nah the boss can grab you through the door, i promise

i dont know what it is they are spawning more of that's causing the issue

[eternal sable]

these auric games do be rough 😭 pugs flopping over

[sleek cairn]

solo or not, something did change regardless of class balance

AI director related

[serene sage]

quality of players dipped significantly yeah

makes sense

[eternal sable]

someone always ded

😭

[serene sage]

this is where XBers start getting into Auric

or Steam ppl who joined at new patch

[polar junco]

I HATE THE SPEED RUNNERS

[mellow grove]

should I?

[sleek cairn]

no harm

[polar junco]

most are jerks too

[sharp ember]

that's pretty good, dumdum and maniac built-in

stability isn't an issue on laspistol

[mellow grove]

dumdum 4 and mutant is hot

yea

[unreal mulch]

lads is this worth buying at melks

[mellow grove]

stats aint too shabby

[eternal sable]

i get these types of players

[sleek cairn]

yeah

[eternal sable]

they literally do nothing in the games and die

knife zealot btw

[sleek cairn]

my melks is often trash so, i just buy whatever n sell it even

[sharp ember]

only to rip off Rampage, needs mobility >50% and better perks

[sleek cairn]

lol, even if something is useless i buy it. What are u gonna do with ur melk bucks

[whole moon]

The real game, filling ALL the tier 1 stickers 😉

[mental parcel]

got myself a spear

[sleek cairn]

being honest, what DO you do with ur melk bucks

it just accumulates doesn it

[tall torrent]

If you wanna harvest dum dum IV, sure

[sharp ember]

custodes guardian spear

[grave goblet]

can someone tell me if this is worth the special currency?

[whole moon]

Mine is now yeah. Just looking for perfect or any t4 blessing I've missed now. No telling how the balance shifts next patch so I might as well keep options open. Those salvo skills could come round yet

[tall torrent]

Does anyone know which veteran voiceline is the one that trash talks Cadia “you’ll come apart at the last moment, just like Cadia”

[tall torrent]

No

[grave goblet]

Thank you

[eternal sable]

female vet Professional

[tall torrent]

https://youtu.be/x2yx7gdPyB0?si=J3EUyrSdN-J21NMt

This one

[eternal sable]

yeah im pretty sure thats the professional

i dont think loose cannon sounds like that

[tall torrent]

It’s weird that I’ve never heard of my professional vet saying this

[whole moon]

Fucking brutal

[eternal sable]

thats a dialog line

[tall torrent]

Maybe it’s because I’m one of the few who picked a Cadian origin professional vet

[eternal sable]

not a voice prompt or shout

youre speaking with Erith on your team

[tall torrent]

I never got this dialogue between my vet and cutthroat

[eternal sable]

so it could be an interaction

[limber lodge]

well damb

[eternal sable]

i could be wrong im no voice expert, try google ?

[vernal bluff]

new to the vet, whats the actual diff between a mk 3 and a mk 6 power sword?

[gaunt steppe]

FINALLY MESC DONE

fucking netcode prolly screwed me over with the half dozen tries before with shotguns or plasma gun

revolver ftw

[trim steppe]

Rate my helbore

[whole moon]

Just get the Mk6. Or search the channel, it's one of the most common powersword questions lol

[gritty dock]

Can anyone tell me where there are game mods that provide post-match statistics and other helpful additions, and are they hard to install?

[elder vessel]

Pretty sure both male and female have that line

[atomic zephyr]

chad professional vets

i havent heard that line yet in game tho :(

[median merlin]

i like the professional vet voice. though the "something something just kill it" voice is funny at times

[serene sage]

that's not professional though? that's loose canon I think

[median merlin]

yeah the loose cannon is funny

[atomic zephyr]

yeah hes saying loose cannon is good

[median merlin]

i run the professional voice

[serene sage]

oh gotcha

[whole moon]

Traxis-6-6, FIND IT! KILL IT!

[serene sage]

understood

[atomic zephyr]

i love me codes :)))))

[gaunt steppe]

nexus mods

you just copy paste the mods into the game directory

[median merlin]

time for me to give this focus target a try. gave up my grenade buff node to get it though

[gaunt steppe]

very basic modding

[serene sage]

alright im cosplaying veteran as psyker

any tips before I wrek myself?

[gleaming adder]

Btw loose cannon is slowly getting tge traitor flamer code phrase right, he is now calling them "traxis-sixtywotsit"

[median merlin]

XD

[ruby hull]

Oh that's easy. I'm a gunker main, I can help

[serene sage]

character development

[serene sage]

okay im running columnus, what is a good melee weapn?

[ruby hull]

Dueling saber 4

[serene sage]

this bad boy? ill upgrade it of course

[ruby hull]

You can also use laspistol as well. It's extremely absurd with a crit build

[whole moon]

I want more stances, we got Bastion 2-20 Combat. How about Weasel 6-50 Looting or Vapour 4-20 Recovery stances?

[serene sage]

time to brunt gamble

for a good columnus

[ruby hull]

You gonna make me cry with that. I'm so sorry

[serene sage]

oh the 52% damage

kek

nw I have 7m dockets

I can roll

[ruby hull]

Dump penetration, put uncanny and rampage on it. Profit

Ds4 3 shots crushers in the head with heavies, 2 shots with crits, 1 shots with a crit and full uncanny stacks

[serene sage]

first brick and second brick

dump cleave?

ill be quick vet chat, ik this is psyker stuff

but ill be fast

love you

[ruby hull]

It's really good with horde clear. Penetration becomes redundant with uncanny

[serene sage]

is the dueling 4 above servicable

366BST makes me sad but im testing rn

[white minnow]

cleave damage only scales unarmoured and infested, and it doesn't scale flak because of a bug. Penetration similarly does not scale flak ADMs

so it mostly doesn't matter

[ruby hull]

become a laspistol psyker like me and cosplay vet and zealot at the same time

[serene sage]

okay this will do

[ruby hull]

must be nice having money

[junior grail]

I wish Vet had duelling sabres or something

Maybe in the future, like how Kruber got Bretonnian Sword

[ruby hull]

@serene sage i think you should be a crazed laspistol crit psyker with me and revel in the fact that nobody can shoot you and you can move at the speed of sound while murdering everything in sight https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aadc034-4e30-4a58-ba43-c9764d62a2f0/crazed-laspistol-crit-psyker?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

there we go

[sleek cairn]

u should've seen this channel earlier. they insisted if i tried zealot, i'd see how subpar vet melee is

[scarlet tundra]

Think this is worth buying or a waste?

[sleek cairn]

i just disappeared to do some runs instead of getting tangled in that

[scarlet tundra]

Zealot melee is insane, being able to like 2 shot things like daemonhosts etc with thunderhammer is pretty cool but im not gonna die on that hill lol

[bronze atlas]

That's quite usable but the reload roll will hurt, but hand cannon 4 is worth having to learn if your upgrade

Vet melee is kinda like... its got nothing going on
As someone who plays all the classes i don't run anything but power sword on vet because the other melee weapons are more fun on other classes

[terse idol]

How can I improve this

🥹

[terse idol]

Vet melee is like the beest

On paper, actually better than zealot

Cause of the Weapon spec with revoler

[bronze atlas]

Its good but that's not what i said

[terse idol]

oh

[bronze atlas]

Its got nothing going on there's no spice

[willow badger]

should i earn blessing gloryhunter or blaze away 3

[bronze atlas]

When i did my latest veteran tree "good but boring" was like every perk i picked

[young sequoia]

trauma -> savage sweep

[candid tundra]

is this worth upgrading? haven't been able to get my hands on anything with good stats for the past week and I'm super desperate

[whole moon]

Blaze away

[candid tundra]

I have headhunter, surgical, and deadly accurate t4 all earned

[terse idol]

I mean Weapon spec is like the most fun

[terse idol]

👍

[willow badger]

what the bis blessings for plasma

gets hot, blaze away?

[whole moon]

Decent stats, semi bad perks, terrible blessing. Depends HOW desperate you are.

[grave goblet]

Columbus Mk5 vs Agripina Mk1

[willow badger]

columbus

[grave goblet]

Everyone said Mk1 before, what changed

[candid tundra]

I have all the blessings earned, so If I get lucky on gold I can replace the headhunter 1 and infested

[bronze atlas]

Speaking of vet melee i don't think i've ever seen a mk 6 power sword in the shop?

[whole moon]

Yup, I wish you all the luck aboard the Mourningstar

[gleaming turtle]

Guys, what are the blessings I want on the shovel? I am staring at one from Melk, but I am not sure if it's trash or actually very good.

[candid tundra]

you think that's a good idea?

taking the risk on gold?

it's 600 plasteel

[tall torrent]

You need to roll a true godroll Rashad axe

It’s just different

[candid tundra]

@tall torrent hi I didn't know you were online

[tall torrent]

Yea taking a short break to chat

[whole moon]

It depends on your resources and how upset you'd be at 'wasting em'. I'd do it but I'm not the most sensible person lol

[bronze atlas]

I have bm4 learned but i haven't seen a decent base for it

[whole moon]

I twist on twenty for an ace

[candid tundra]

all gud

[bronze atlas]

I'd call that vraks bricked personally

Maybe you'd get something to learn off the gold

[terse idol]

Is toughness regen speed still bad?
I see one guide putting it pretty high and folks in the discord just don't like it

[bronze atlas]

I think if you're trying to gun as much as possible maybe?

[tall torrent]

Not worth, take stamina regen, block efficiency and gunner/sniper resist

[bronze atlas]

Whenever my toughness is low i slide into melee

[terse idol]

*nod

[tall torrent]

Because toughness regen just turns off in melee combat

If you want reliable melee toughness gain, take O4B in talent tree

For 3.5% toughness on every kill

[terse idol]

Hmm that is a good point, sometimes I find cover and maybe the solution is just finding melee enemies to hit if I'm getting abiit pinned down

[bronze atlas]

Vet toughness gain is still crazy even after the nerfs

[bronze atlas]

Not only do you regain toughness the enemies bodies block shots

[tall torrent]

However I think in the current state, Longshot into ET is

Extremely solid

[bronze atlas]

Melee is a relatively safe place to be when shooters are around (not gunners though)

[tall torrent]

Only caveat being that you need a ranged weapon that 1 taps shooters in the head

[tall torrent]

But if you’re using a weapon that hits these breakpoints, ET is very very strong

[median merlin]

helbore

[fading grove]

Does stability help much with aiming the bolter or is it always wack. Anyways I've committed to using the bolter and chain axe and am loving it lol

[gentle prawn]

bayonet charging with the helbore mk 1 is peak gameplay

Oh, four shotgunners just ran out of a door? shame

[whole moon]

It was the Mk2 for me but yeah, bayonette charge ftw

[junior grail]

Is helbore mk1 supposed to hurt crushers better than mk 2? They seem to do same amount of damage

[thorn yoke]

Mk 1 has higher top end damage

but slower charge

[gentle prawn]

Not gonna be much more damage vs carapace

[terse idol]

How can I improove this thing

Surgical swapping for infernus?

[whole moon]

Deadly accurate or Headhunter I think are the blessing meta

[dusk idol]

you want to keep falter?

[terse idol]

Should I?

Wait, stagger...

[dusk idol]

i’d maybe swap out both blessings and see how it fairs

[terse idol]

For like, Surgical, onslaught?

[dusk idol]

I have surgical onslaught

it doesn’t really jazz me

[terse idol]

hmm

Well, this is as good as it'll be, guess I can roll purely for the blessings

[dusk idol]

but use what you like, could be surgical onslaught, surgical deadly accurate, headhunter deadly accurate

or onslaught headhunter

[terse idol]

Headhunter?

Is that new?

[dusk idol]

oh

[terse idol]

That's why I was confused

[dusk idol]

might jus not be there for the hellebores, dunno

don’t use em

[terse idol]

Ah yeah

Headhunter's for the regular

[dusk idol]

yeah, that tracks

I like my surgical infernus but it does fuck all to carapace on the mk2 hellbore

and surgical/onslaught/infernus are the only blessings I have for the weapon line

[bold ibex]

i bought a mk2 hellbore with surgical 4 from melt for that skill alone... but it doesn't feel like the weapon can really leverage it well. Mk3 is the way to go innit?

[gentle prawn]

mk1 is pretty tite imho

[astral blade]

found dis at melk

good or bad?

[bold ibex]

it's also kinda like... why use an Mk2 when Kantrael's exist? It has like... 350 charged shot damage. Kantrael has around 250 but shoots like am fer

[gentle prawn]

bayonet

[astral blade]

kinda tempted to buy it if i'm being honest

[bold ibex]

i'd buy it just for headhunter 4 on lasgun.

[whole moon]

Try it's bayonette charge before you ditch it

[dusty ferry]

Would take it

[bold ibex]

which would great with surgical 4

[gentle prawn]

seriously, spamming mk2 bayonet is peak

mk2 bayonet is one of veterans better melee weapons

[ruby hull]

Did you know bayonet buffs itself with agile engagement

[whole moon]

Press n hold for a speed boost, spam away for fast stabs

[ruby hull]

Free 25% damage increase

[astral blade]

now how does dis bad boy look?

[gentle prawn]

stacking crit chance and a blessing that uses crits is big brain

[pulsar shore]

Pls be good

[astral blade]

got that from melk

[dusk idol]

don’t set up the death flag

[blazing horizon]

What's a good ranged weapon to use until level 30?

[dusk idol]

lashing

what

lasgun

[dusk idol]

though I won’t lie I basically never used my ranged while levelling

[tender inlet]

You can probably just run through maps with Illy and assail till aurics. Lmao, I thought i was in psyker chat.

[whole moon]

You wouldn't be named for a ship is a badass horror/thriller would you. If so, well done you Sir!

[dusk idol]

it’s not bad

[tender inlet]

I wouldn't recommend anyone leveling use assail though

[pulsar shore]

yeah

Anyway once they remove locks those stats will be blast (copium on lock remove)

[dusty ferry]

Pretty nice! Would swap unarmoured for flak/carapace

[dusty ferry]

I used assail throughout my psyker level up

[dusk idol]

one day

[steady karma]

I can't play any other class because plasma gun is so good

[dusk idol]

if you’re unfamiliar with Darktide assail becomes a crutch

[dusty ferry]

Oh

[dusk idol]

if you know what you’re doing then it’s business as usual

[dusty ferry]

I mean I am fairly used to brain rupture now

[dusk idol]

I love my bbs

[tender inlet]

I was more referenceing first time players.

[dusty ferry]

Smite is.. smite.

Ah okay

[whole moon]

BB, locked in for life baby!

[dusty ferry]

Brain burst empowered psionics mmm

[tender inlet]

Holding that right click all day is wonderful.

[bold ibex]

Wugh. Having no luck tonight. Just gave up and left two groups back to back in the first three minutes. Each time, without fail, the entire front line would sprint off as a group and I got dogged from behind and instantly killed. Then I'd watch them get downed because they, surprise surprise, got mobbed. :I

[zealous wyvern]

huh?

[fast scaffold]

I scrapped a PS with PC4 for BM2

[dusty ferry]

Hadron had enough

[dusty ferry]

Do you have a sword with PC4 already

because if so then reasonable

[zealous wyvern]

the blessing is unlocked so yes

they already have powercycler 4

the weapon was not that good a roll either

just ok

[dusty ferry]

Then understandable

[zealous wyvern]

dump for dmg, infested maniac

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[dark sorrel]

Wtf why is IAG so good

why is it so ammo efficient

This doesn't make sense

[hollow turtle]

Is this thing lying to me? It did not cleanse the psyker's corruption.
Does it mean only cleanse the current wound's worth?

[dusty ferry]

You are a veteran, go figure :3

[hollow turtle]

Lol funny how even an Ogryn wouldn't question it.

[dark sorrel]

What are the lore implications of Veterans being able to shit out a new grenade every 60 seconds?

I mean, like, that sounds like a large plothole

[north raptor]

hairballs

[dusty ferry]

Good for the economy

There is a huge grenade inflation

[timid crow]

maybe they're just constantly jury rigging grenades

[hollow turtle]

It takes him 60 seconds to puke it out.

[zealous wyvern]

it only cleanses corruption to the next wound

[native lotus]

is scavenger fixed

or at least the penance

[dusty ferry]

Yes

[zealous wyvern]

not all of it

[native lotus]

so i shouldnt pick the talent that replaces scav?

[dusty ferry]

Sometimes they just get new grenades ready of nowhere

[zealous wyvern]

just the current active wound

[hollow turtle]

Lol wish it would actually say that. Now I only want it for the emergency grenade refill when a monster has me cornered.

[placid portal]

Lol welp at least cures poxhound corruption

Or vore

[zealous wyvern]

not to mention if 6ou have 2 wounds, it makes a pretty big difference

[hollow turtle]

Lol nah. Veteran has several disassembled grenades in his pocket. He just assembles them 1 per minute.

[placid portal]

He has ratling that fixes his used grenades

In his pocket

[hollow turtle]

Lol.

[native lotus]

can you do the resupply penance with survivalist

[zealous wyvern]

i think he just finds grenades on enemies

[north raptor]

what are the ideal blessings and perks on a plasma gun

[hollow turtle]

I think that's what that penance relies on.

[placid portal]

If only killing scab bombers to get limited special grenades were a thing

[hollow turtle]

That would be an interesting perk actually

[delicate moat]

i want their fire nade

[placid portal]

Lol

[delicate moat]

and their long range targeting capability

you can throw one from spawn to the final elevator/extraction

[hollow turtle]

I mean technically... lore wise this says you occassionally steal one off the elites/specialists.

[dusty ferry]

Secretly I believe the vet picks up a random grenade every 60 seconds

Like they are ogryn but boom

[placid portal]

Imagine finding krak in a scab rager's pocket

[dusty ferry]

"Oooh shiny"

[hollow turtle]

Nah. Imagine the grenadier throwing a krak grenade at our shield Ogryn.

[placid portal]

[dusty ferry]

Okay that is frightening

I dont us to have a taste of our own med

[placid portal]

I mean we already do with flame puddles

[hollow turtle]

They start throwing bleed nades

[placid portal]

[native lotus]

dang do you still have to not equip any tier 1 auras to do the resupply penance

[eternal ember]

What guns do people generally prefer on their vet?

[dusty ferry]

I am an ogryn
Kickback

Vet guns too small they break

[flint lake]

This needs to be moved down another tree. No real good reason to take it unless you’re not already running nade gen.

[grand sable]

need help finishing this off

[dusty ferry]

Replace elites or maniacs with carapace armored

[swift ingot]

Glory hunter to shattering impact and elites to flak or carapace

[whole moon]

Glory Hunter to either Surgical or Shattering Impact

[dusty ferry]

Gloryhunter with shittering

shattering*

[swift ingot]

[whole moon]

Haha shittering

[grand sable]

im gonna shit myself if I get booted to the character select after leaving the psykanium every time

[dusty ferry]

I said shittering justice too many times it is now translating here

[placid portal]

Lol

[flint lake]

Only current wounds. They real value is the quick healing allowing you to tank hits if you’re in a die hard situation or the nades if wanna just drop a box and spam a shit ton of Kraks at a boss.

[placid portal]

Also heals toughess

It aint much but it's honest work

[hollow turtle]

Lol had to do that once to a BoN. Just dropped one and kept tossing grenades in a tight space.

[drowsy sluice]

first level 30 :)

[grand sable]

gaming

[flint lake]

Gratz

[hollow turtle]

Now do it 3 more times. Lol

[grand sable]

also thanks for replies

back to being a poor krakhead

[hollow turtle]

Well, at least now that you did veteran first, you'll know not to block shots when you try out Ogryn.

[swift ingot]

Np pal

[desert raven]

Current wounds only tbh most of the time I forget it does that

[hollow turtle]

I'm broke in dockets.

[desert raven]

$7

[swift ingot]

I’m broke in Melk bucks

[eternal ember]

I'm broke

[desert raven]

Bro is not collecting 16 scriptures fr

[hollow turtle]

I'm broken.

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ryan-gosling-blade-runner-2049-blade-runner-darktide-when-you-find-me-gif-13647306158287826208

[dusty ferry]

We all are broke and broken

[desert raven]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-fella-when-fart-smella-walks-in-gif-24813411

[hollow turtle]

Idc what people say, you avoid that 16 book collection like Nurgle's Crotchrot.

[desert raven]

Pls buff vet he is so squishy

[delicate moat]

you see ivan, vet be squishy for fear of not purging heretics

[eternal ember]

Is mk3 still the go-to for hellbore?

[desert raven]

Yeah not gonna collect any of that when maelstrom aurich is a thing

[delicate moat]

if heretics dead, vet is no longer squishy

[desert raven]

Monster killer type gun

Like it's more of a sniper than mk1-2

[hollow turtle]

Anti-Crusher/Anti-Monster

[desert raven]

Imo mk2

[eternal ember]

Hmm, seeing I already have regen krak grenades

I'll try mk2 then

[desert raven]

Or unless you have god tier aim, reaction, and tier 4 onslaught

Surgical too

[hollow turtle]

Maulers feel like a greater threat than crushers for some reason.

[keen sedge]

does anyone use the professional voicelines? because i literally only hear loose cannon and occasionally cutthroat

[hollow turtle]

I'm professional.

[eternal ember]

My aim feels shit especially when I'm playing on 30-40 fps

[serene sage]

boys

[eternal ember]

But at least I'm managing

[hollow turtle]

I'm just not Cadian.

Which is good.

[serene sage]

i have a problem

[swift ingot]

People have realized that Loose Cannon is the best veteran voice

[flint garden]

pubs

[desert raven]

Yes all I hear is "traxis 66!"

[hollow turtle]

You're addicted to Krak?

[serene sage]

i feel like im liking gunker too much

it feels so heretical

but I cast gun class is so fun

[desert raven]

Yes vet struggles hard against them, literally counters us

I'd rather fight 2 crashers and a plague ogryn before I fight a rager

[keen sedge]

I personally use cutthroat

[desert raven]

Or mauler

[hollow turtle]

Lol no bro. You're fine. 😆

[serene sage]

im a wizard

with a gun

[hollow turtle]

Gun Psyker feels like the natural choice for people who originally mained veteran then went to psyker

[drowsy sluice]

Worth upgrading?

[keen sedge]

pyskers who use smite 🔥 🔥 🔥

[desert raven]

Also a majority of vet weapons struggling against armor for some reason, unless you're willing to run a low capacity ammo weapon you will struggle

[keen sedge]

SHOUTOUT TO SMITE PYSKERS

[desert raven]

Look at the witch

[keen sedge]

[thorn yoke]

I wish some smite psykers would lay off for a bit. It's harder to murder masses of poxwalkers if they're just standing there

let them run in sometime

[desert raven]

And if all fails use plasma gun

[keen sedge]

i would rather have a smite or BB psyker over a asail

[thorn yoke]

People still use assail unironically?

[hollow turtle]

Smite psykers makes it easy for me to shoot the far targets because they leave gaps open in the frozen crowd.

[keen sedge]

personally, i cant decide if im a psyker or veteran main

[simple basalt]

i like the chaos of not having smite

[hollow turtle]

I'm an assail/shield wall/gun psyker.

[astral blade]

wow the mk 4 lasgun she a beast but she kicks like a mule

[keen sedge]

yes, its considered the best for psyker despite being unfun to use in hordes

[hollow turtle]

I think of assail as just head seeking throwing knives tbf.

[tall torrent]

Something I’m not sure a lot of people noticed:
The tag keystone refunds you to a minimum of 2 stacks once a tagged enemy is killed, so as long as you keep tagging and keep killing, every enemy you tag would receive a minimum of +8% dmg until they die

In addition, even if you tag an enemy with no stacks built up, that enemy with golden tag will still receive +4% dmg

[thorn yoke]

Assail's accuracy and inconsistency make me wholly unable to take it seriously

[eternal ember]

I legit just hop around all 4 characters now

[keen sedge]

also smite looks the coolest tbh, just saying

[hollow turtle]

The only character I don't use is the zealot.

I have him at 30, but I don't like using him.

Spoken like a true ranged veteran main

[keen sedge]

i used to main zealot, but now i prefer pysker or veteran

[eternal ember]

Zealot is probably the character that I have the highest chance of clutching with

[keen sedge]

FOR SOME REASON I GAVE MY VETERAN 40% DAMAGE RESISTANCE AGAINST GUNNERS

and now he is a partial tank against them

[bold ibex]

i'm kinda tempted to try crusher damage resistance to see if i can survive one hit from them

and if so, how many 20%s is needed from full health

[stone birch]

i just had a pub in auric run right past me despite being immediately revivable. amazing.

[hollow turtle]

Personally, I have 2 -sniper damage perks, and 1 -gunner damage perk. I'm thinking of switching them around because snipers aren't that huge a problem once I see the beam.

[stone birch]

no fire, no massive mob, the boss mon was 10 seconds away...

[keen sedge]

if you use 40% gunner resistance, their bullets take quite awhile to get you to 0% toughness

pair that with voice of command...you can basically run towards one of them head on and kill them with melee

[bold ibex]

just go full gunner. theyre what will instagib you now.

i'd also consider crusher if I knew how many 20%s it took to survive them. Poxburster wouldn't be /bad/ as BS prevention.

Is flamer damage mitigation done for tox and flame seperately? Though they'd still delete all toughness instantly, hm

[hollow turtle]

I think that's only for their kicking. Just like the grenadier

[trim steppe]

Is it just me or is loading back into the Mourningstar extra janky lately?

[hollow turtle]

Define extra janky?

[trim steppe]

Like 1/4 times it just freezes up indefinitely and I need to restart

[bold ibex]

oh btw, I'm an idiot. there's no dr versus crushers

no wonder it's never mentioend

[finite imp]

Damage resistance against gunners is so good

Snipers too

[keen sedge]

wish i had learned that earlier
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1EtSP6dEBUQZTv/d1337E0tPkEk?invite=cr-MSx0Q08sMTkxMDIyMjAyLA

[finite imp]

Sniper dmg resist can absolutely stop you from just getting 1 tapped in d5

It makes a big difference

If only the damage stacked correctly

[swift ingot]

Absolutely obliterated

[finite imp]

Damage resistance I mean

Apparently after 40 percent adding another 20 to 60 only brings it up to about 5p

50

[quick burrow]

its multiplicative not additive

[finite imp]

So there's dmg resist falloff

[quick burrow]

so the first 20% gets applied then the next gets applied to hte lower dmg

and even less for the 3rd

[finite imp]

That doesn't make sense

[quick burrow]

so u have 1 curio u take 100 dmg reduce 20 dmg

[finite imp]

So which one is applied first the first curio or

[quick burrow]

so your taking 80 dmg, then the next curio is applied and u save 20% from 80

[finite imp]

This matters

[golden axle]

can someone elaborate on whats happening with bayonets right now? im seeing it discussed but i need context

[half wigeon]

skill issue

[finite imp]

If what you're saying is true

Which curios dmg resistance is applied first

[quick burrow]

i think it just takes the highest value

but thats a good question im unsure of

[finite imp]

You think

Gotcha

Doesn't seem to work like that to me

But idk

[quick burrow]

thats waht people say

[gusty bison]

Doesnt matter

Multiplication is associative

0.8 x 0.85 is the samr as 0.85 x 0.8

[finite imp]

So if I have 2 curios that give me 20 percent dmg resist

I'm really only taking 20 percent off the damage from the already reduced by 20 percent damage

[rugged magnet]

I do have that problem sometimes

[gusty bison]

It ends up being 36% damage resist yes

[quick burrow]

each one is less effective

[gusty bison]

The 3rd curio makes it 48.8% damage resist

[finite imp]

Wow my math was right after all.

The work was just wrong

Jesus

I literally just put on curios and watched my hp while getting blasted by a gunner

Checked the differences after the fact

[swift ingot]

Using the wrong equation and getting the right answer, a definite win

[finite imp]

Fatshark why are you

Like that

Is there somewhere in the menus where you can actually see this or is it hidden

[charred scarab]

because damage resistance being multiplicative lets them stack different types infinitely without problems

[quick burrow]

fatshark likes ot hide information because the devs say they dont want people to min max and to just play what feels good

[charred scarab]

so you don't end up with 0 damage situations

[quick burrow]

im serious about that lol thats why alot of information isnt front and center and hidden

[charred scarab]

that's also true lmao

[quick burrow]

also they can be lazier i guess with broken tooltips

[finite imp]

They don't want people to min max??

[quick burrow]

like did u know for zealots thy wrath be swift tooltip states immune to melee attack stuns when it applies to ranged hits as well

[finite imp]

They are making the wrong game if they expect people not to min max

[quick burrow]

making it a super top tier talent where from the tooltip its kinda shit

[midnight mortar]

Yes. They have a history of stating they don't like it when players uncover hidden mechanics and whatnot. They've had this attitude since VT and despite everything, some portion of their development team still firmly believes it's better to hide information from the player.

[finite imp]

See I feel like that's super pertinent information

[midnight mortar]

They fundamentally never understood why people played their games.

[finite imp]

What a fruitless endeavor

[midnight mortar]

A reminder that they said they never expected anyone to play Vermintide 2 for more than 100 hours.

[finite imp]

Complete and total wasted effort

[midnight mortar]

And were extremely surprised upon learning of the average playtime.

[hollow turtle]

Btw, for anyone running the most recently updated Weapon Customization mod, comment this out of the sight_extension.lua. You'll thank me later.

    if not instance._movement_state_settings then instance._movement_state_settings = instance.movement_state_settings end
    instance.movement_state_settings = function(sway_template, movement_state_component, ...)
        local unit = mod.movement_state_component_to_unit[movement_state_component]
        if unit and script_unit_has_extension(unit, "sights_system") then
            local sights_extension = script_unit_extension(unit, "sights_system")
            if not sights_extension.custom_vertical_fov then
                return instance._movement_state_settings(sway_template, movement_state_component, ...)
            end
        end
    end
end)

mod:hook_require("scripts/utilities/recoil", function(instance)
    if not instance._recoil_movement_state_settings then instance._recoil_movement_state_settings = instance.recoil_movement_state_settings end
    instance.recoil_movement_state_settings = function(recoil_template, movement_state_component, ...)
        local unit = mod.movement_state_component_to_unit[movement_state_component]
        if unit and script_unit_has_extension(unit, "sights_system") then
            local sights_extension = script_unit_extension(unit, "sights_system")
            if not sights_extension.custom_vertical_fov then
                return instance._recoil_movement_state_settings(recoil_template, movement_state_component, ...)
            end
        end
    end
end)

[finite imp]

This looks like why my weapons keep being wonky

And vanishing

[hollow turtle]

"What is it?" It's what's causing your screen to shake like crazy when you ADS full auto.

[finite imp]

But I want that

When I fire a machine gun irl I shake my head back and forth so hard spittle goes flying

[hollow turtle]

Lol.

[gusty bison]

Doesnt this just remove weapon sway?

[hollow turtle]

It turns it back into Vanilla sway.
Currently its like the screen shake is tied to your weapon sway.

[finite imp]

Weird

[hollow turtle]

So the more your weapon sways while firing, your screen's just shaking.

[gusty bison]

Ah kay

[finite imp]

Seems like it would have been hard to code that by accident

[serene sage]

so called free thinkers when revolver exists

[hollow turtle]

I don't think it's by accident. I think mod creator had that implemented for future use. Probs with the custom scopes.

[gusty bison]

My weapon recoiling makes my head shake

Lel

[finite imp]

REEEEEE WE HATE OUR PLAYER BASE WHEN THEY DO THIS

[gusty bison]

The scope is just so bad lmao

[finite imp]

Y'all about to have a good old fashion showdown

[gusty bison]

Like

How do u even use that thing

[finite imp]

Eye

[gusty bison]

I would like zero peripheral vision

[finite imp]

Tbh I prefer to go full tunnel vision too so I just set my FOV to -4

I don't need to see. My teammates will carry me to victory and if we lose it's their fault

[hollow turtle]

LOL.

[finite imp]

They should have just carried me harder

I did nothing wrong

Brb going to go play solo auric maelstrom and base my opinions on balancing off of that

[gusty bison]

Lmao

Imho revolver without the free reload talent is fine

Weapon specialist reload is what pushes it a bit over the top for me since it removes all its weaknesses

[finite imp]

Revolver with either of the reload talents is great

Just learn to reload under pressure

Unironically

[hollow turtle]

Actually, now I just remembered why that code was implemented. It keeps scope reticle at center of screen while firing. So the consequence is the screen shaking with the gun.

[gusty bison]

Why do this when u can just never need to reload

[finite imp]

Because that build is NO FUN

[gusty bison]

Scopes bad

[finite imp]

I am a based and shovel pilled target priority enjoyer

[hollow turtle]

Its meant for any scope really.

[gusty bison]

All scopes bad

[finite imp]

What if we didn't add sniper rifles to the horde shooter

Jesus fuck

Let's just give people weapons you would never want in a game like this and let them try to convince you it's meta

Like the melta gun

While fun

[hollow turtle]

You can see the difference what i mean by centered reticle w/ screen shake, and just vanilla.

[finite imp]

You know that shit is going to suck down ammo like a fucking black hole

Flamethrower? Perfect for a game like this

1 shot sniper rifle? Why

[hollow turtle]

Lol exitus sniper rifle

[finite imp]

While we're at it let's add a melee weapon that only does non lethal damage

[hollow turtle]

you mean a baton.

[finite imp]

I could kill someone with a baton

I meant hammer squeaktoy

[hollow turtle]

Fine. A nerf bat.

[finite imp]

Yeah

And whenever the zealot sprints his shoes go HONK HONK HONK

Rubber chicken rifle with 17 second reload animation build is the new meta wym

[gusty bison]

People are silly

[finite imp]

This weapon makes you want to die but it's a 380 bro

[gusty bison]

I wont mind a bolt action with a decently fast cycle on the bolt. But a scope? Just... why

[finite imp]

Idk what's worse that or some dude pulling up with a godrolled plasma rifle and going "BRICKED?"

[vivid bolt]

alright so

zealot chat has become so degen

[finite imp]

and people agreeing with him

[vivid bolt]

that i have

brought myself

to this

place

[finite imp]

Based on how you're typing you sound like you ran here

[vivid bolt]

the horrors of zealot chat

and levelling vet

two horrors today

[junior grail]

UwU Gun

[finite imp]

It's good to see the classes with actual established combat roles and non confusing talent trees don't need to work around the clock just to create DPS the ogryn does while half awake

And are just talking about furries or whatever

I hope we can end up there so I can leave this channel for good

[junior grail]

Thats zealot chat in general

[midnight patrol]

Zealot and furries doesn't seem like something that should be in the same sentence.

[vivid bolt]

zealot chat

is generally

[finite imp]

Do tell

[vivid bolt]

more degen

but currently

the regulars who hold that shit back

are sleep

[midnight patrol]

I mean. Heresy and.. yes.

[finite imp]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say all of the classes have fucking furries

[midnight patrol]

No no I was like

The sheer irony

[vivid bolt]

All of Warhammer does

[finite imp]

Lol

There are 2 types of Warhammer fans

Furries and nazis

[vivid bolt]

The spectrum of Warhammer

LGBTQ+, Furries, Etc

to

WW2 Losers

[finite imp]

And sometimes both

Yeah

[vivid bolt]

the unfortunate venn diagram

[finite imp]

Germany could have won bro :c

Please bro engage with me in this conversation bro

[midnight patrol]

Again, was just the funny irony that the most hilariously religious class had that furry moment

[junior grail]

I like both grimdark and kawaii though

[finite imp]

You haven't heard it 400 times yet

They're just religiously furry

[midnight patrol]

Pushes pinup Shadowsun over to them

[midnight patrol]

..

[finite imp]

googles pinup shadowsun

[midnight patrol]

I can't reslly counter that lmao

[junior grail]

The one where she's in a metal bikini or the one in a fridge suit

[finite imp]

pushes it back

Half and half

[midnight patrol]

The AI art ones

[finite imp]

I wanna go on the record and say I have nothing against furries

If you wanna change your avatar to anthro porn go ahead. As long as it isn't a Roman statue

[midnight patrol]

I'm pretty sure you're at least tolerant

Coughs.

[junior grail]

Its like religion and beliefs. Like having a nice pecker, neat that you have one. Just dont shove it in peoples faces

[finite imp]

Those Roman statue guys plagued this place during the release months

[umbral scaffold]

Yes

[midnight patrol]

Wasn't there also someone who literally had their own hairy ass as a pfp here once upon a time?

[finite imp]

They were thinking veiled Nazis who would come in here get called out and play coy like they weren't dogwhistling

[umbral scaffold]

Ighr guys lets move on though before mods huh yeah

[midnight patrol]

I was at work so I could only peek occasionally at that train wreck.

[umbral scaffold]

Ahh ok shut

Sunrise :/

[finite imp]

Mods don't like it when you talk badly about Nazis?? Ok 👌 shut I will

[rugged magnet]

NEVER look at what Roman statue Twitter profiles say, worst mistake I've ever made

[finite imp]

Bout to read some fire racism

[junior grail]

Fantasy politics always better than real politics

[rugged magnet]

Actually 😭

[finite imp]

At least in the imperium is kind of necessary just to exist

[rugged magnet]

[finite imp]

Otherwise the collective hordes of random horrors from space would just rip humanity to shreds

Man I'm hungry

But I gotta save room for turkey day

[umbral scaffold]

Didnt read really far i assumed you were doing the opposite tbh
Half way making like breakfast

[midnight patrol]

Nah Sunrise was very much against them he chill

[junior grail]

I want some breakfast

[finite imp]

How would I tolerate furries and be pro facist

That seems impossible

[rugged magnet]

[umbral scaffold]

You say that but

[junior grail]

Unless... the furries are fascists

[midnight patrol]

No no Warmaiden has a point

[finite imp]

No no wait

[umbral scaffold]

Its funny becauses theres nazfurs

[finite imp]

Yeah you're right

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah

[finite imp]

Remember that game Nazi furry

Lmfao

[umbral scaffold]

[rugged magnet]

People b crazy brah

[finite imp]

It was on the front page of steam for WAY TOO LONG

[rugged magnet]

[junior grail]

FUHRRER

[rugged magnet]

😭

[midnight patrol]

At any rate

[finite imp]

Like bro I can't even open my steam app in public

How do I explain Nazi furries

To someone

[midnight patrol]

I'm finally able to get back to my PC and give my agri shotgun ideas a go

[rugged magnet]

Who up playin they orc massage

[finite imp]

Orc massage based

[junior grail]

Ah culture

[rugged magnet]

[finite imp]

Are they still updating that game

[midnight patrol]

It's not very smart agri shotgun ideas but imma try anyway lol

[umbral scaffold]

Staring through the steam games is like an abyss. Look long enough and itll glare back

[rugged magnet]

I have no idea lol

[finite imp]

Lmao

I avoid porn games on steam like that plague

[rugged magnet]

Only got one cuz my friend gifted it to me randomly 😭

Furry feet 2 baybee

[finite imp]

I kind of don't want people to know when I'm charging my JO crystal

[rugged magnet]

Funniest thing I've ever been given

[finite imp]

Garfield cart

[rugged magnet]

Banger game

[junior grail]

Y-yea, ALL my sus games are gifted by friends too! How dare they

[finite imp]

I have 4 copies of it because my friends are so fucking funny

[rugged magnet]

[finite imp]

[rugged magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-eating-fast-eating-eat-gif-25232258

[finite imp]

Remember corpse starch bot

I miss him

[rugged magnet]

😔

[dapper agate]

Ok, idea time.

How to fix the grenade stat node tax:

Simply have players only have to take 1 stat node instead 2. And make the remaining stat node into a new type of stat node called "Versatile". Versatile gives +7.5 toughness, +2.5% health, +0.5 stamina and +2.5% movement speed, essentially combining the removed stat nodes and remaining one into one that slightly boosts multiple stats.

[midnight patrol]

We brainstorming tree tax trimming?

[dapper agate]

Yeah.

[gusty bison]

Its really easy tbh

[umbral scaffold]

Almost like passed out yesterday at work lol
Vision went red an black like overexposed drank some juice and was fine after was really weird

[gusty bison]

Remove the travel nodes below Exhil, Confirmed and Out for Blood.

Remove the ability boosting talents

Remove Demolition team, Skirmisher and 25% Ammo

Bam done

[umbral scaffold]

Also too many tax nodes yes

[gusty bison]

Literally thats all they need to do

[umbral scaffold]

Everyother class doesnt have that problem

[dapper agate]

they should make 25% ammo built in

[gusty bison]

And fix survivalist

[dapper agate]

yeah surv is galaxies ahead of the other 2 auras

Not entirely sure how surv could be fixed though.

Unless it functions differently

like maybe make it a normal skill and it only affects the vet using it

[rugged magnet]

Or just make it base kit and make a new aura

[dapper agate]

then add a new aura ig

[rugged magnet]

Yah

[gusty bison]

Boost finesse damage

[gaunt hinge]

More great value 5 pack home brand nodes

[gusty bison]

Ez

[dapper agate]

Finesse aura could work.

[midnight patrol]

This is a big yes. The ammo being part of our class should be a thing

We're literally built around marksmanship.

In all its forms

[dapper agate]

Some other auras need changes as well, like the Psykers 5% elite damage needs a buff

it's basically fireteam but worse

fire team I think should be 10% ranged damage and the elite aura should be put back to 10% like it used to be.

[grave goblet]

whats the dumpstat on helbore?

[midnight patrol]

10% more ranged finesse aura?

[gusty bison]

Ammo

[gusty bison]

Also nah. Middle tree benefits melee also

Shouldnt just be ranged damage

[midnight patrol]

Right

[gusty bison]

5% to all damage is fine

[dapper agate]

Yeah but the name...

[gusty bison]

Left tree can be ranged finesse

[thorn yoke]

Can we all agree about one thing? And that Vet should get their Active Skill Reload back

[grave goblet]

okay

[gusty bison]

No

[midnight patrol]

I do like the idea of rewarding headshots earlier up the tree on left side

[grave goblet]

dude is this not the best shit?

[gusty bison]

Like. Why do u need Active Skill Reload?

[grave goblet]

Thats gotta be fucking good

[thorn yoke]

Because I like nice things

[gusty bison]

U already have weapon specialist for reloads if you need it

[thorn yoke]

and Ogryn get it

[dapper agate]

Would be nice to have back. I miss it.

[midnight patrol]

Solid stat rolls, pray Hadrin doesn't brick the blessings tho.

You already need to use up a blessing and perk slot as it is.

[gusty bison]

Weapon specialist is just superior active skill reload

Assuming u arent using a bolter

[grave goblet]

fuck it, im buying it

[gusty bison]

And if u are using a bolter u barely need to reload

[thorn yoke]

It would give me a reason to use Executioner's Stance at all

[midnight patrol]

It felt really tactical using Ex Stance and you knew you were guaranteed to have a full magazine of whoop ass

[gusty bison]

Exec stance helps quite a few weapons hit their BPs

[thorn yoke]

I have only one build that bothers with it, sadly

[valid bluff]

This is worth picking up right?

[gusty bison]

Vraks 7 is a solid exec stance user

[delicate moat]

what if exec sit

[valid bluff]

No dumdum hurts but like, thats real nice yeah?

[midnight patrol]

Vraks mk7 can one tap body shot all shooters at even close range with Ex Stance yeah.

And even unarmored bruisers

I still consider it a hard sell on Damnation alas.

[dapper agate]

They could make executioner stance at least load some amount of ammo into the gun like the weapon specialist keystone modifier does.

[vivid bolt]

please oh darktide matchmaking gods give me people with half a brain

[wanton dawn]

Exe stance is prob the least popular vet ult in auric

[midnight patrol]

You get three shroud zealots sharing a single braincell

Best deal

[gusty bison]

Mostly cos people in auric dont need the damage

Xd

[vivid bolt]

ngl

last two matches

zealots have had brains

veterans...

EH

[midnight patrol]

.. Okay yeah I'll confess

[gusty bison]

And survivability on button press is always welcome

[thorn yoke]

I know that feeling.... I had two games in a row where none of the other three could handle hordes

let alone armored spawns

[wanton dawn]

If you dont need the dmg in auric i dunno when you need it

[midnight patrol]

I've been coming across some very cannon fodder Vets myself.

[pulsar shore]

Im using stance as wallhack for plasma gun

[midnight patrol]

Some use it for the wall hacks and they vibe with that alone

[thorn yoke]

Problem with Exec stance is it's just a win-more-button right now

[gusty bison]

Mostly cos people in auric have the weapons and aim needed to make their respective weapons work

[thorn yoke]

whereas the other two actives have "salvage the situation" effectiveness

[midnight patrol]

Also yeah that's true Gast

[gusty bison]

Like exec stance is excessive atm if u can reliably hit heads on most weapons

[midnight patrol]

A rich get richer ability

[thorn yoke]

If exec stance got reload back, it would have a salvage option

[midnight patrol]

Reload and DR or?

[gusty bison]

Eh. Would it?

It barely does anything

[grave goblet]

What perks do i want on columbine

[wanton dawn]

Exec stance needs susfire back

[grave goblet]

5

[gusty bison]

Most guns dont care about the reload

[pulsar shore]

at least reload speed could be good too

[thorn yoke]

it used to be an instant weapon swap and reload

[midnight patrol]

Like, remember original Ex Stance?

[thorn yoke]

which was really nice to have

[midnight patrol]

That felt strong

[gusty bison]

Nah its just instant wep swap

Reload was an option that u can take instead of counterfire

[thorn yoke]

now, Invincible Veterans tanking all bullets with it up? We probably don't need it back

[midnight patrol]

In the beta Ex Stance felt solid

[gusty bison]

Which... almost no one did

[gusty bison]

Thats cos of Unwavering

Unwavering was busted

[wanton dawn]

Except you know, the most popular vet build

[midnight patrol]

What was Unwavering again?

[gusty bison]

Which took counterfire?

[wanton dawn]

Not at all

[gusty bison]

Bolter never needed insta reload

Ever

[wanton dawn]

What the hell am i even reading

[gusty bison]

It was a joke with how fast u could reload the thing + how everything died after 1 clip

The reload was redundant as fuck

[gusty bison]

75% DR during volley fire

[midnight patrol]

Ohhh. So we did have DR back then

[wanton dawn]

So lets get cf which did what ? Lets you kill shooter faster ? Get more unwavering timer ?

[gusty bison]

You took counterfire so you could keep up the 75% DR forever

[midnight patrol]

I kinda miss it ngl.

[gusty bison]

It was hilariously busted

[midnight patrol]

Yeaaah

[gusty bison]

With confirmed kill you could literally just facetank shit

[midnight patrol]

I think ET is a bit more balanced in a way?

30% DR and you can also get CK

[white minnow]

the 8 second duration on the toughness DR is rather interesting

[pulsar drift]

shield stacking op

[white minnow]

and i mean interesting in quotation marks

[pulsar drift]

we had like 300 extra toughness

[wanton dawn]

Instead of an option to insta refill thoughness on flame, lets get the option to extend ult duration against non prio target on a environment with special spam

[pulsar drift]

feels nut

[gusty bison]

I mean yes. Permanent 75% DR

[wanton dawn]

Cf was so bait on bolter it is not even funny

[gusty bison]

CK meant you just refilled toughness after fire anyway

So like

Just havr 75% DR permanently. Why not.

[wanton dawn]

Why you need cf if you are shooting at elite anyway ?

The weakspot dmg ? Pleasz

[gusty bison]

Because you can run out of them?

CK stacks have a second trigger

[wanton dawn]

So you were dying at horde shooter ?

[zealous wyvern]

bolters reload and draw speed makes me feel useless with it
why does it not need reload speed?

[grave goblet]

plasma gun dump stat is ammo?

[pulsar drift]

demolition team is so good in maelstorm

[gusty bison]

This was old bolter with old unwavering

U just didnt care about taking hits

[gusty bison]

Because hits didnt matter

[zealous wyvern]

ah so now it does need the speed you mean?

because i feel far too slow with it and it does not deal enough damage to make up for it whatsoever

[gusty bison]

Some reload speed is helpful ye

[gusty bison]

Damage isnt its issue. It deals amazing damage

[zealous wyvern]

revolver draws and loads so much faster, penetrates and deals more damage

[gusty bison]

The issue is the revolver outclasses it because revolver gets free reloads

[zealous wyvern]

the auto fire is useful for like 2 situations

ogryns and ragers which tbf is important

[gusty bison]

The point of the bolter is it has 15 rounds in the mag vs the revolver's 5. But if the revolver has bottomless magazine then yea the bolter is pointless

The problem is the revolver

[zealous wyvern]

but outside of that it is really weird

[gusty bison]

As a note you dont need to autofire ragers

[zealous wyvern]

i think compared to every weapon i use, bolter is mediocre at best

[gusty bison]

Bolter 2 taps them in the body

[zealous wyvern]

oh mine just sucks then

that is a good point

[gusty bison]

Main draw of the bolter now is it doesnt need headshots

[zealous wyvern]

i forgot mine is from level 20

with bad rolls

lol

[gusty bison]

I can 1 tap gunners at any range and flamers past 10m

On bodyshots

[wanton dawn]

Bolter is arguably a weakspot weapon now... it was not before p13...

[gusty bison]

Ragers are a 2 tap

[zealous wyvern]

i have a feeling i still will not consider its damage enough for HOW SLOW it handles

but

i will not know until i try

[gusty bison]

Bolter is NOT a weakspot weapon atm

[wanton dawn]

It litterally got buffed weakspot on p14

[gusty bison]

You barelt hit any additional breakpoints going for weakspots

[gusty bison]

It got buffed finesse

Finesse is both weakspot and crit

And crit atm sends it soaring past a lot of bodyshot breakpoints

On a gun u can 100% crit on

[wanton dawn]

Oh, so it is a crit weapon then. Silly me

[gusty bison]

Yea

Its a surgical deadshot crit fisher

[wanton dawn]

Guess you have the time to aim with that sweet 100% surgical crit

[gusty bison]

Compared to other singlefire weps like the helbore, vraks 7, mg12, etc

The main draw of the bolter is that it gets to hit 1 tap bodies on a lot of elites/specials

[grave goblet]

bolter has finesse?

[zealous wyvern]

i think mine just has cavalcade and is power level 320

i should really make a good bolter sometime

i love the bolter outside of my performance issues with it

it feels so GOOD