veteran-class

[tall torrent]

infested is pretty useless on IAGs

[brave verge]

yeah you can one shot infested chaff anyway

[tall torrent]

the only perk u rly want is flak
second can be unyielding, elite, specialist, whatever

[crude wind]

Yeah change those and keep the blessings

[brave verge]

might as well keep the crit

[tall torrent]

graia is the awkward middle child IAG because it doesn't get the breakpoints of Mk1 and doesn't have the dps of Mk5
but it is the lowest recoil out of the three

[daring peak]

reccomended bolter talents?

[brave verge]

raking fire and dum dum would be pretty nice for a flanker gun

[sage agate]

i've been running mk1 for a while and want to mix it up a bit

[stark hollow]

is thermal resistance important to plasmagun

[sage agate]

i'm a fan of the Ia lasgun tho, so im used to middle childs lol

[tall torrent]

totally valid, it's just that Mk8 IAG doesn't hit 1 tap headshots on shooters nearly as good as Mk1

[quaint valve]

You need some or you build heat really quick

[stark hollow]

is 64 enough

[sage agate]

cheers, ty for the help

[nimble sentinel]

@old prism looks like it's already been uploaded, if you have an account you could upload screenshots https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/chink-in-their-armor-not-working/87620

[brave verge]

should be fine, just pay attention to your heat gauge

[sage agate]

@brave verge u2

[quaint valve]

Should be fine

[stark hollow]

got these 2 but both have a shite stat

[brave verge]

o7

[golden axle]

left one is good wdym

[stark hollow]

thermal is low

[quaint valve]

Left one is fine

[stark hollow]

and right one stopping power is low

[brave verge]

first one can swap volatile to gets hot and reload speed to carapace or unyielding

[old prism]

Apparently it's acknowledged

[golden axle]

64% is fine, open up the inspect and you'll see the minimal difference

[brave verge]

64 thermal is more than fine

[old prism]

so i guess we don't need to

[stark hollow]

yup that was the plan

[lament pelican]

buy ? not used this axe before

[stark hollow]

i only got a t1 gets hot tho :((

[quaint valve]

If you run weapon specialist no need reload speed

[brave verge]

tbh I don't like the tac axes too much

[stark hollow]

ive upped so many plasmaguns to blue

[wooden oar]

What blessings to use on rashad combat axe?

[quaint valve]

Honestly plasma isnt reliant on blessings, the weapon has plenty of power on its own

[brave verge]

if I want to go in on crit, combat knife is better, if I want a heavy hitting axe, combat axe is better

[golden axle]

isn't god rolled = shit roll /s 🙄

[brave verge]

probably brutal momentum and headtaker

[umbral scaffold]

After not playin for a bit and just coming back to this update

Mane they messed with the skill tree hard

[quaint valve]

Yeah main thing is that it takes too many points to get to the bottom and still branch out much

Compared to other classes anyway

[lyric warren]

they never did fix that problem

fat shark is 3 steps forward 50 steps back

[quaint valve]

If they cleaned up and removed bad talents I think the tree would be in a decent spot

[brave verge]

vet has less raw solo power than the other classes but I think its a hell of a support class

but yeah the talents could use some pruning

[lyric warren]

agreed

[trail totem]

🧱 ?

[golden axle]

brutal momentum is mandatory and like Thanatos said probably Headtaker as its the most reliable but you can get away with decimator if you're hyper attentive. Also decapitator might be a sleeper im not really sure. It apparently effects ranged too when triggered.

[brave verge]

I've also warmed up to marksman's focus but that might just be the vraks mkvii headhunter

which is basically tailor made for it

[nimble sentinel]

not great but could be serviceable, swap the blessings

[golden axle]

not amazing but it could be ok.

[trail totem]

i'll just keep looking for flakiak then 👍

[quaint valve]

Swap blessings and you'll be fine

Get headhunter and deadly accurate and you got a good lasgun

[brave verge]

does decimator reset if you block?

[wheat violet]

Built from grey

[untold mulch]

Wait 10% rending of Marksman doesn0t work?

[brave verge]

you'd probably want onslaught, right?

perks look fine

[final rapids]

Got like 3/4ths of the way through a carnival mission

[brave verge]

well, crit damage could be something else

[final rapids]

Game crashed

No prompt to rejoin

: (

[brave verge]

sadge

[old prism]

it does not

[untold mulch]

[old prism]

indeed

[untold mulch]

Peak coding

[old prism]

expertly made fatshark talent

[viral nacelle]

Ignoring the keystones has allowed me to make a vet I am exactly 69% happier with

[untold mulch]

I reach the middle of all three sides

and thats it

[viral nacelle]

Based

[untold mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174487807511773224/image.png?ex=6567c602&is=65555102&hm=8b97509a791731212e5be4698a6a194734f5f93cb9912c7ba3479599925771b1&

Laspistol be like

I sure love the Keystone update

[old prism]

lmao

[viral nacelle]

I’ve been doing revolver because I’m trying to get the “so you CAN aim” penance

[ionic loom]

anyone got good executioners stance ranged damage build ?

[viral nacelle]

Unironically yes, my vets are all way stronger

[terse idol]

Okay come on to be fair you could easily do a laspistol with crit and focus

🥹

[viral nacelle]

I have executioners stance build but I wouldn’t call it good 😂

[old prism]

left side laspistol is actually godly

[terse idol]

Honestly it could be a placebo, weapon spec is so good rn

[old prism]

here is a video me and my friends made for this exact topic kekw

[viral nacelle]

You aren’t wrong 😂

[old prism]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoZjA17fd5Q&t=616s

[untold mulch]

I take more advantage of the crit than of the headshots

so I get no stacks

[terse idol]

But crits with headshots

[untold mulch]

I am more occupied DODGING LIKE MAD

[old prism]

the build in this video is a focus build with lassypistol

[terse idol]

[untold mulch]

And hipfiring

Becasue I am a boomer shooter era player

[old prism]

it does fuck you amounts of damage to even carapace

[untold mulch]

AIMING IS FOR THE WEAK

[viral nacelle]

Imagine getting a headshot with a laspistol at anything other than point blank

[terse idol]

No no no but, like you do 1 headshot and then you get 3 seconds of no stack loss its great

[untold mulch]

Or I get onslaught and other talents

and don't bother with something I consider unfun

[terse idol]

No surgical

I'm kidding but

[old prism]

Losing stacks? Imagine standing up

[viral nacelle]

If you were looking for headshots you’d be revolver not laspistol that shit is area fire 😂

[brave verge]

just click on heads, 4head

its not hard

[terse idol]

Sure

[daring peak]

so how should i use bolter as a guy who normally uses plasma or kant 12

[viral nacelle]

When I laspistol I aim center of mass and hope I hit the same zip code

[old prism]

that do be true, you can one shot headshot a crusher with one revolver shot

[brave verge]

you should use the plasma because it does the bolters job but better atm

[wheat violet]

some madlad did it?

[old prism]

that madlad is me kekw

[untold mulch]

I hope we get a Gunner variant quick

My Right Click is nonexistant

[untold mulch]

Oh god the crab walk

As Fatshark intended

[old prism]

indeed

it was a breeze honestly lmao

[stark hollow]

ratling gameplay be like

[old prism]

One thing ill say about crouching the entire game is

shovel is god tier

it has two modifiers that influence dodge distance

and +4 stamina

and 6 dodges

and safe heavy attacks

[nimble sentinel]

God Emperor I miss the AgriBrauto meta

[untold mulch]

I am thinking of using a combination of mods

to have Agri/ColumBrauto to mimick a lasgun

and use it as coping for hellgun

[daring peak]

okay but if i do want to use the bolter...

[old prism]

try a revolver marksman's focus build, it actually is really impressive

[brave verge]

cavalcade and pinning fire I guess

[old prism]

also gives you arthritis as a bonus because your primary way of moving is dodges

[brave verge]

probably with focused target or weapons specialist, marksman's focus is bait for bolter

by the time you reload all your stacks will be gone

[covert beacon]

tbf I agree but with my bolter I've twisted it into a weird sharpshooter build. I hate it but its fun

[brave verge]

bolter isn't necesarily bad, there's just other guns that do its job better and lacks its downsides

[daring peak]

and for talents?

[brave verge]

hold on

[daring peak]

i just REALLY wish this game had a good 2x scope

[dusk idol]

what’s the pro’s of this build?

[daring peak]

even with weapon customization it's got a 1x and a 4x

[old prism]

@dusk idol one shots everything, including crushers

[dusk idol]

you could one shot everything except crushers without marksman focus

[old prism]

you could, but it aint no fun

[brave verge]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aad422f-11b8-445b-9870-fffc16e91dec/bolter-3?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

something like that

[dusk idol]

oh probably not mutants either

[old prism]

one shots muties yes

[dusk idol]

i mean without marksman focus

[brave verge]

you could remove Target Down for Volley Adept

thats probably a better idea

there's enough toughness regen

[old prism]

oh yeah, also one shots everything your inital bullet penetrates through

[dusk idol]

and what do you think the cons would be?

[old prism]

crouching the entire game KEKW

[daring peak]

cwunchy

[dusk idol]

it didn’t cook long enough

[slow spade]

how about a "slightly" more magnified scope?

[old prism]

honestly, i don't mind crouching the entire game with a shovel

[daring peak]

yeah thats my probelm, its either 1x or like 6x

[old prism]

i can somehow go faster than people running, but it is disorientatin to play a lot

[slow spade]

smh picky

[dusk idol]

if you sprint slide for mobility (and safety) then yeah, marksman focus is a no go

it consumes two stacks every time you do it out of your headshot grace period

[slow spade]

just headshot while sliding

the Omnissiah demands head

UwU

[untold mulch]

Crab walk

as Fatshark intends

[dusk idol]

they really oughta change that keystone to just longer duration for mobility

whoever designed crab walking as a keystone node needs to stop smoking that zaza

[brave verge]

just bob up and down like a pvp shooter

[slow spade]

the marksmen keystone was made by a Camo Expert user

they just forgot about the Camo part

[gaunt steppe]

any tips for Making Every Shot Count?

[serene sage]

Amen

[dusk idol]

use low ammo weapons and don’t bring survivalist

revolver and shotgun

maybe a bolter if you really wanna

just low ammo roll something and go nuts

[slow spade]

charged plasma shots will absolutely demolish your ammo count

ez way to deplete without risking being inaccurate

[serene sage]

Isn't that one of the redacted version?

[slow spade]

yes

[serene sage]

Can you do that in public games?

[slow spade]

no

[brave verge]

I did plasma for MESC

[serene sage]

Oh

[slow spade]

you need to drag some randos into your bullshit

[serene sage]

Malice people can be my fodder

[brave verge]

you can do MESC in pubs

[serene sage]

/s just in case

[slow spade]

:p

[brave verge]

that's how I did it

a few weeks ago

its the no damage one that needs to be a private game

[serene sage]

I don't achievement hunt

So I can't be bothered

They are not fun for me

[brave verge]

yeah but these give you a cool hat

[gaunt steppe]

[untold mulch]

No damage one is public no?

[dusk idol]

i only do it for the drip

[serene sage]

I want to hold M1 and watcv my bolter recoil to the sky

No damage one is pub yeah

[dusk idol]

if you need help and are in APAC lmk

i got some time before i head out today

[gaunt steppe]

im doing it with afren

but ty xD

[dusk idol]

all goods, good hunting

[gaunt steppe]

mostly failing on shidd teammates

[dusk idol]

i actually need to do make every shot count too

[brave verge]

I def didn't do a private game for the no ammo one, so I dunno what's going on

[slow spade]

oh wow it is for public

does Vet just not have any Private match ones?

[brave verge]

I don't think so

[slow spade]

weird

all the other classes 100% have a private match one

[brave verge]

private games are for lesser classes who need to be coddled

[serene sage]

Malice people be prepared for the ultimate idgaf melee vet

I'm shooting horde

[slow spade]

I just figured the most bullshit one would need one too lol

[serene sage]

I'm shooting anything that moves

You can go cry on Reddit

[untold mulch]

Needs to be Heresy for the 90% accuracy

[serene sage]

Oh

[untold mulch]

Because fuck your teammates

[serene sage]

Heresy can be fodders too

[slow spade]

lets be honest, queueing for heresy will give you malice only players UwU

[untold mulch]

Fr

[serene sage]

Are you on NA/do you need MASC

[sharp ember]

i had a karker trying to grind this out and silently refuse to pick up an ammo crate, so i had to take it myself and throw it into the airlock room and then go back to get my medipack

[brave verge]

heresy isn't too bad, just pick a mission that doesn't have shock gauntlet, or even wait for a low intensity hunting grounds

[civic knot]

worth investing?

[slow spade]

technically yes but I don't care for achievements

[serene sage]

If so we should terrorize Heresy together

Oh okay fair

[slow spade]

lol

[serene sage]

I'll do it myself

[slow spade]

I don't mind helping if you want

[untold mulch]

I helped a mf with plasma gun to get it into an assassination mission

[brave verge]

I'd say so yeah

[untold mulch]

Dude literally was a1 second later and didn0t got the penance

[slow spade]

lol tried to help a Zealot do their private only penance

[serene sage]

It's okay I can handle myself, just thought it would be funny if we both do it at the same time.

[slow spade]

mouthbreather would not read anything -> chose a fucking Shock Trooper mission -> died repeatedly

[brave verge]

lmao

[slow spade]

ah ok good luck comrade c:

[civic knot]

still worth investing?

[slow spade]

"we should do Hab dreyko so we can rush objectives" -> choses the most difficult map possible knowing we need to do it in 20 minutes

[bronze atlas]

Is hab dreyko even short

[limpid hull]

do it with a revolver.

[gilded rock]

I helped a guy with it and he refused constantly to let himself get damaged by enemies, would only get low via barrels We had to attempt it like seven times and my patience was being real tested

[bronze atlas]

I don't play it much because hab dreyko is bad

[limpid hull]

its okay if you miss, just pick up a bit more ammo, and make those shots count

[slow spade]

its potentially the shortest because you can rush objectives

one of the requirements is a sub-20 minute mission

[serene sage]

Probably not

[brave verge]

if you can hit calvacade, you can swap unarmored to carapace or unyielding and it will still be a good gun

[bronze atlas]

Yeah but like... that shouldn't be too hard on like chasm terminus

[brave verge]

your plasteel tho

[slow spade]

yeah the guy I tried to help also used wound curios lol

[serene sage]

Sucks though, that stat distribution is beautiful

[slow spade]

not as fast

[gilded rock]

MINE TOO

[slow spade]

you can do Hab Dreyko in like 10 minutes

[bronze atlas]

Ah i see

[slow spade]

because the only "time gated" section is the last bit

everything else can be speed ran

[bronze atlas]

That definitely requires 4 real humans on the auspex though

[slow spade]

yeah its fucking ridiculous

[bronze atlas]

I gotta do that penance someday

[serene sage]

What penance is that?

[wanton dawn]

Realistically shortest one is the throneside with the heliport

[slow spade]

indeed, but if you're picking people for a penance. Ideally, you don't choose randos that unbind their block button UwU

[bronze atlas]

I want candle shoulder

[serene sage]

Finish while being low?

[slow spade]

yeah you can also rush the bridge one

that one is pretty good too

[gilded rock]

Didn't the penance used to be "below 25% max health"?

I swore it did

[limpid hull]

same

well just dont run wounds

[slow spade]

something stupid like that yeah

[gilded rock]

I did it pre tree patch so I had no idea it changed until after the 5th attempt

[slow spade]

the reason for Heb Dreyko is because that was the one that spawned

I remember it because I kept trying to tell the guy how to make it easier

and he just ignored everything lol

[bronze atlas]

Of all the penances that one is the most "just be really good at the game" too tbh

[serene sage]

The penance system is a travesty

[golden axle]

i scooped that up in beta when it was bugged and easy af

[serene sage]

60% of them are no fun to complete

[bronze atlas]

Not like the ol psyker "cultivate a big walker pack then try and shout them off a cliff"

[slow spade]

oh god the Zealots heard me

[bronze atlas]

Emperor time 🙂

[slow spade]

"get him boys"

[serene sage]

I see 3 1 purity insignia

[bronze atlas]

Only one choir dweeb too

[serene sage]

I hope your back is healthy

[bronze atlas]

Chargers are based

[slow spade]

support plasma user

[brave verge]

chainaxe

[slow spade]

my back is dead

[serene sage]

Lmk how it goes and if they are actually any good

[gilded rock]

Bobby looks like he eats small woodland creatures when no one's looking

[bronze atlas]

Charge + knife is such a funny build, i guess if you want to bring a flamer lol

[serene sage]

Bobby is fking ready

He has his knife and and his charge

And his trusty CS

[gilded rock]

And the anti-corruption aura too 💀

[wanton dawn]

[bronze atlas]

I do damnation runs with charge eviscerator 🙂

[serene sage]

Wait is that an evis or cs

[golden axle]

cs

[serene sage]

That's a cs right

[golden axle]

evis is 2handed

[serene sage]

Yeah I'm not stupid

[golden axle]

[serene sage]

Okay maybe sometimes

[trim steppe]

The base on this, with those other rolls. I'm happysad

[serene sage]

I thought Graia isn't that good?

[sharp ember]

graia's don't really lack anything i think, they're quite literally mid

[serene sage]

I don't play autoguns often so i honestly don't know

Huh

I'm liking the Columnus though

[final locust]

what are the most epic guns atm

[trim steppe]

I havent played Graia yet, I hear its like columnus with less damage for less recoil? Idk, but whenever I see a weapon with good stats and distribution I buy it cuz you never know when a gun will get a glowup

[final locust]

best ones

[sharp ember]

i've been working on the basic gun writeup i was talking about earlier today

is uhh
is character limit gonna be an issue

[serene sage]

Revolver
Plasma
Columnus
Helbore
MgXX

Pick your poison

[trim steppe]

Plasma, Bolter, Columnus IAG, Argipinna Braced, Kantrael Shotty, 1a Lasgun, Helbore III, Revolver

[sharp ember]

ah hells i'll just make a 2-part post when it's done

[whole moon]

Dont forget the other Hellbores and their bayonet charge

[final locust]

MG XX? what is this

[trim steppe]

I only put the Helbore on the list cuz enough people talk about it, I cant stand using the Helbores lol

[trim steppe]

The Infantry Lasguns. MG Ia, IV, and XII

[sharp ember]

the MG 20

[dusk idol]

the mg34

a relic from the ancient times

[fresh mango]

Got this today

praying my blessings dont fuck up

[trim steppe]

Better make an offering to the omnissiah

[fresh mango]

Is a toaster good enough?

[delicate moat]

toaster?

stability is overrated anyways

this fker got the right blessing and right perk

[fresh mango]

im not sure if this is salvageable, unless i get the perfect blessing on the second

[delicate moat]

just unfortunate 35% stability

[humble nova]

Vet: Mom, can we get the Recon Mk6a?
Mom: We have Recon Mk6a at home

[delicate moat]

except for stability, dmg/ammo/stopping power is actually fantastic

[humble nova]

Yeah, and you'll hit once every 5 shots so it balances out

[delicate moat]

[rose drum]

the VoC lines alone are tempting me to create a male cutthroat

[fresh mango]

okay hang on this gun is kinda really good

[delicate moat]

i love when an ammo pack has been placed down, and then I turn around, only to find out 2 people guzzled up all 4 charges shooting at trash

[fresh mango]

first salvo, is that just the first shot in the mag or first shot whenever you fire?

[lost epoch]

80 mobility ftw

[delicate moat]

gotta hit them zoomies

[lost epoch]

Nyooom

[slow spade]

it was literally me keeping them alive, if I got disabled in any way the mission would have been fucked

[gilded rock]

The female loose cannon ones are pretty good too But a couple of the male ones (Idk personalities) really pop

[rose drum]

true

the "PULL THE KARKING BOOT IN!" is great

[sharp ember]

there is a small delay between shots, you should be able to see the buff icon light up whenever it's ready again

[slow spade]

I love buffing the fuck out of people UwU

[wanton dawn]

I WANNA HEAR THEM SCREAM

[rose drum]

sadly i dont think the female loose cannon competes with the male one in any other department

[fresh mango]

okay so wait

that blessing is pretty damm good then

[slow spade]

even the most braindead player can be made usable if you simply buff the shit out of them

[sharp ember]

It's pretty good, it's just that there are other competitive blessings for headhunters

[rose drum]

the female delivery of "traxis... 12? yeah, traxis 12" makes me sad because the male does such an amazing job

[sharp ember]

TRAXIS... 12??? YEAH! TRAXIS 12! (he's still wrong)

[rose drum]

exactly

[fresh mango]

Which other blessings should i look for? Surgical?

[rose drum]

he says it in an extremely proud way

she just says it

[sharp ember]

Surgical, Headhunter, Deadly Accurate

[brisk umbra]

I hate how random charges are with how they decide to slam you or just throw you

[civic knot]

Which lasgun is best for DPS? is there a gun better than this one?

[fresh mango]

I pray i get one of those then

[wanton dawn]

I am just glad that I no longer have to hear "sever the head the body die" every freaking minutes

[brisk umbra]

laspistol

[rose drum]

"killshot looking for a skull" reminds me of "hot moms in your area"

[civic knot]

okay so when it comes to lasrifles, which is best?

[sharp ember]

SE'ER 'E 'EAD, THA BODY DIES

[wanton dawn]

SEVER THE BODY THE HEAD DIES

[south vessel]

thanks, I hate it

[wanton dawn]

Killshot looking for a skull FOR THE GOLDEN THRONE

[rose drum]

dont ask me on what "looking for a juicy throat to slit" reminds me of then

[brisk umbra]

still laspistols But yeah, recon got gutted hard with the change to the Crit strikes with patch 14 they aren't that great anymore. for infantry the slow ass one is the good ones, but you need to crit/exe stance at all times to hit oneshots just warning you

[lilac yoke]

what about bolts?

[brisk umbra]

Personally i hate them, but they are good

you go either sniper with it or classic bolter

[rose drum]

if you mean infantry lasguns, all three are mathematically on par iirc

[lilac yoke]

anything abt melee?

[rose drum]

i prefer the XII because i prefer my fingers unbroken

[brisk umbra]

PS6-Rashaad mk2>>>anything else is more or less on par

[civic knot]

huh is that so. yes i meant the infantry ones

[rose drum]

the XII used to be the clear winner but the IV and Ia got buffed with the overhaul i think

[civic knot]

are yall sure that laspistol really is better at everything than all the infantry lasguns?

[rose drum]

i like devils claw because parry

[lilac yoke]

im still running power sword

I haven't played the game for so long

[rose drum]

the devil claw adds another defensive option to the ones you already have

and a good one at that

[brisk umbra]

pretty much, it does the same thing but you got better ammo management, mobility and boss damage

Plus you aren't forced to run Exe stance

[hollow ibex]

Blocking crusher overheads

[brisk umbra]

Like, without critting/Exe stance the Infantry lasguns are terrible imho

[lilac yoke]

what would be the best gernade to run

cuz I just run HE

[rose drum]

i use krak

[brisk umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-thats-like-your-opinion-man-gif-15076479

[hollow ibex]

Knife is really good… at giving carpel tunnel

[rose drum]

i use headhunter and deadly accurate on mine but it does great

[lilac yoke]

is shovel still trash?

[brisk umbra]

Quite, but fun

[jolly cave]

1a and IV infantry lasguns have better dps than the XII, but I still like the XII better since it's more ammo efficient and I don't get carpal tunnel.

[brisk umbra]

Yes, but that's because you're rushing around and not playing the game while going solo :v That's like never an option

[noble zinc]

Well I finally got a handcannon revolver and I'm in love

Deletus everything

[lilac yoke]

but you should run pistol?

[wooden oar]

What blessings to use on a shovel?

[rose drum]

same

[noble zinc]

Knife got super buffed

[brisk umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/housewife-cleaning-pain-hurt-gif-14198704294334620449

[lilac yoke]

yea idk whats meta

[brisk umbra]

Plasma/Laspistols/Revolver are top tier, then you have IAGS and Braced and the rest

[lilac yoke]

so the Plasma gun is finally good?

[rose drum]

Yeah

[brisk umbra]

oh yeah, they gave it 100 pierce

[lilac yoke]

armor go bye bye?

[brisk umbra]

ye still the same as before, it just doesn't stop after 2 enemies

[lilac yoke]

so should I swtich to using plasma instead of bolter?

[brisk umbra]

oh 100%

[jolly cave]

Yes

[rose drum]

Thatll teach those pesky uprising level players...

[brisk umbra]

all you need is to get as close to 80 to Damage and Stopping Power

[lilac yoke]

I throught las pistol is best?

[brisk umbra]

i still prefer laspistol over columnus tbh, that shit implodes ammo

[rose drum]

The director giveth and the director taketh. Actually it just taketh

[sharp ember]

working on my writeup, would you guys say there are any good perks for shotguns besides Flak and Maniac?

[brisk umbra]

Honestly that seemed more like 3 xbox newbies getting carried by a guy on pc doing everything

[sharp ember]

almost done with all the weapon groups with different marks

moving into single-mark weapons soon

[whole moon]

does shock trooper apply to laspistol?

[brisk umbra]

ye

[rose drum]

Yeah

[whole moon]

lol then Im bein REALLY wasteful w ammo 😄

[lilac yoke]

Is power sword shit now?

[whole moon]

nope

[sharp ember]

power sword became best sword, again

just high investment cost to optimize it

[lilac yoke]

ah

[brisk umbra]

3 is still as good as it was, nothing really changed

[rose drum]

Do you guys have like a hitreg problem with weapons like lasguns, when under suppresion? Or just always. Sometimes I hit guys in the head and the headshot sound plays but the game doesn't show a hitmarker and they don't suffer any damage

[lilac yoke]

good thing i invested all of my mats to the power sword

[whole moon]

even when it was nerfed I still loved it

[rose drum]

It's very frustating

[brisk umbra]

the 6 is now great but you need a REALLY good roll AND Power Cycler 4

[terse idol]

I think its a hit reg issue in general, even ir I'm not suppressed some of my shots go into the void

[rose drum]

Yeah

[sharp ember]

wdym, mk3 got the damage increases too, just lacks that fancy stab

[rose drum]

Sometimes I get a sniper headshot and they just tank it

Wich is very annoying because, snipers

[terse idol]

Yeep

Hit reg issue, FS needs to make sure to fix it hopefully

[gaunt steppe]

anyone know if theres a mod that shows accuracy

compatible with scoreboard mayhap

im pulling my hair out over MESC

wondering if theres a mod to show accuracy rn xD

[strange grove]

vanguard pack drop yet?

nice joke

i want to wear the sniper hood on my zealot

[brisk umbra]

cool another game with what i guess is 3 xbox players.

[strange grove]

If you have to wonder, you are probably correct

[brisk umbra]

fuck me, give me the ability to remove crossplay

Oh nice, i got a bugged respawn, somehow i respawned after the 3 trains -_-

[strange grove]

So brautos really eat ragers for breakfast

Loving mine

[gaunt steppe]

could be PC gamepass players

we show up as Xbox for some reason

[brisk umbra]

Nah it was 2 controlller players and a really bad pc guy

[torn gorge]

did they confirm its mid dec? i was under the assumption it would land on the 5th

[gaunt steppe]

am i allowed to die for MSEC

or pick up extra ammo

or does it fuck with the progress

[tropic marsh]

Please tell me what is the best weapon to take for a veteran?

[wheat violet]

Yes

[wheat violet]

The one where you have to have 100% accuracy with 0 ammo remaining?

[slow spade]

Maelstrom -> Vet goes down and dies 30m away from the team -> "why didn't you guys cover me"

[gaunt steppe]

90%

but ye

[wheat violet]

Wasnt it 100%?

[gaunt steppe]

its 90 now xD

[slow spade]

when you die, it gives you ammo back so you have to mag dump immediately after but I think its ok?

[wheat violet]

Well you need to finish the game with 0 ammo left

Thats all to it

[gusty sonnet]

Of course its a player with the glob symbol

[slow spade]

and also have 90% accuracy which is probably ok?

[slow spade]

na he left

those global players stuck with it

[sharp ember]

you were recently able to switch to melee after hitting 0 ammo and ignore regenerated ammo, not sure if that still works after the Carnival update

[slow spade]

maelstrom mission so they were doing alright (the vet never did objectives but he never died so I guess its ok)

[sharp ember]

just never pull out your gun again

[wheat violet]

Well

[gusty sonnet]

Well now you can just not pick ammo aura

[slow spade]

psyker was clutch, I don't think I would have won without her

[gusty sonnet]

Psyker is super strong this patch

[slow spade]

yeah the game spawned a nurgle-bless plague ogryn in a narrow stairway so I couldn't afford to handle adds

surge psyker so she was up to the task c:

its nice being able to rely on teammates

[wheat violet]

The og way of cheesing it.

You play normally, at the end you dump all but one bullet. You make your game crash. You reconnect. Hit one enemy. End the mission.

Cause reconnecting would reset the accuracy tracker for the penance.

[wanton dawn]

I got a nurgle-bless spawn during a dog event in a corridor with no cover and gunner spam

[slow spade]

my condolences :c sounds miserable

[wanton dawn]

Nah, twas fine

for me

[dusk idol]

well mesc was easy as hell

[slow spade]

silent trapper comes up behind you

[wanton dawn]

can't: the good thing about dogs event is that you can scream continuously at your enemies

[wheat violet]

Its much easier now if Its only 90% and you can switch off the ammo regen.

[slow spade]

also its basically 100% uptime on your ult

so good for invis and shout vets

[slow spade]

rip trappers, shouldn't have let the pitbulls loose

[wanton dawn]

Real danger is the hidden bomber. Bombers

[wheat violet]

Burster that spawns 2 meters in front of you.

Mutant throwing you at the deamonhost.

Trapper pulling you in front of 3 crushers.

[south vessel]

thanks you triggered my PTSD from last game

[wheat violet]

Plague ogryn launching you over the fence.

[south vessel]

spawned 1m in front of the door, basically inside me

[spring cloud]

Jumping down the hole and landing in front of eight gunners.

[wheat violet]

10 shotgunners spawning 5 meters in front of you.

[slow spade]

I hope Fatshark makes it so bursters can't just instant spawn on doors in front of you

[wheat violet]

Once i got pinned down by hound and had two bursters jump at me.

But the best moment

[viscid marlin]

What were you using with mid tree?

[wanton dawn]

Hoope is the first step to dissapointment

[drowsy sluice]

Is this worth picking up from Requisition? Havent heard much talk of this gun

[slow spade]

survives hound and 2 bursters -> trapper comes around the corner UwU

[umbral scaffold]

This game is so great queued up just to get a mission failed screen

[slow spade]

D:

[umbral scaffold]

Just queued up again with the same guys who lost

One of them left

[hollow ibex]

it's coming pre-bricked, don't bother

[slow spade]

shouldn't have lost

UwU

[viscid marlin]

I don't find the two round burst as reliable as the single or three round myself but i'm sure some people must like it.

[torn gorge]

still bugged

[viscid marlin]

but yeah dont get that one

[torn gorge]

so even worse

also lowest dps of all the hh so far

[drowsy sluice]

bit new to Darktide, im assuming bricked means the perks/blessings are bad?

[viscid marlin]

it means its not a worthwhile investment for your plasteel but basically yes

you can get better

also never use something with a 48% damage role

[hollow ibex]

usually yeah, though in this case the base stats are pretty awful. 48% damage 😬

[dusk idol]

it's like

[drowsy sluice]

Gotcha, the hunt continues for decent stuff

[dusk idol]

even if you upgrade with hadron you won't be able to get what you need

/want

[hollow ibex]

are you level 30 yet?

[gusty sonnet]

Except burn weapons but yeah

[slow spade]

good luck comrade c:

[drowsy sluice]

level 28 atm

[viscid marlin]

oh

[hollow ibex]

ah i'd just wait until 30

[viscid marlin]

dont worry about gear until 30

just use whatever

[hollow ibex]

yeah, gear rolls depends on your level, so don't really invest on gear too much until level 30

[wheat violet]

I wonder, is there a point in getting the blessings that speeds up the charge time?

It feels like its going against the crit Chance blessing.

[drowsy sluice]

Ive just been picking up random blues while im leveling still, been running a powersword and revolver shout build

[slow spade]

I just mass buy weapons from Brunt

greys are good enough for leveling

[south vessel]

Anyone got a big dam plasma build I can have a gander at? It's too late for thinking

[slow spade]

here's mine

its designed to carry

[south vessel]

FWIW I ran a MkI Helbore with Surgical and the charge time one with the no ammo on crits, and I did not have very high ammo usage

IIRC I still got the first stack of surgical

[wheat violet]

Well

[south vessel]

Cheers bub. What's the red arrow?

[wheat violet]

Its like 0.5s for me rn

I get one stack per 0.35s

If i go down to 50% of the charge rate i wont even get one stack

[south vessel]

The maths checks out

[wheat violet]

Also gotta thank that one random person that suggested running the perk that gives you 25% dmg for 5s for your other weapon on kill.

[dark sorrel]

Yay? Nay?

[wheat violet]

So i was just thinking about running the Infernus instead

[sour elbow]

Because the devs and clarity aren't on speaking terms, remember that 80 is actually the max stat for things, not 100.

[raven carbon]

What perks are best on plasma gun?

[thorny isle]

Hey so which shotgun is the best. I've tried them all and it's a toss up between the slug one and the lawbringer

[gusty sonnet]

It'll be serviceable for now

[wheat violet]

Try full bore on the slug one

Its funny

[dark sorrel]

whats the verdict on fire frenzy in general

[gusty sonnet]

Its good

[brisk umbra]

"Why did you two move?" asked the Veteran while we tried to do the mission

[gentle prawn]

If I’m covering rear and you run off, it’s your bad

By covering rear I mean actively shooting things

[brisk umbra]

Oh no, he was shooting at chaff

And we were literally at the last part of the new map, where you gotta press the button to finish the actual mission

[sour elbow]

I did an auric game earlier as my ogryn. Died inside, because I kept having to throw rocks at the gunner spam.

the three veterans were not great at shooting them

[gentle prawn]

One veteran will shoot specials

[sour elbow]

none in that game. :<

[gentle prawn]

Three veterans will assume one of the other two will do it

My hubris caused me to play vet

Surely I can do it better

[sour elbow]

My desire to play a gaurdsman instead of a spess mehreen yet again for kark's sake was why.

First time I shot my lasrifle, it was love

[wheat violet]

When you want to kill specialists for your team but you have a brain burst psyker in same team.

[sour elbow]

I tend to go for the squishy stuff then. Leave the Big Ones for them, like the maulers and crushers and shields.

[wheat violet]

Yeah

2nd psyker with smite

[sour elbow]

Feel sorry for them because brainburst's aura around the heads has me reflextively go for the highlighted target.

[wheat violet]

And zealot with flamer

[blissful fractal]

what gear should I bring for damnation difficulty missions

[sour elbow]

Several time I've had to go "Wait, no" before pulling the trigger

[sour elbow]

a well organised team for a start.

[wheat violet]

The best one duh.

[blissful fractal]

🗿

So I shouldnt bring my 5% damage plasma gun?

[wheat violet]

No but like

[south vessel]

related: should I get this from Melk?

[serene sage]

mostly your skills, but as courtesy, a legendary gun at least, stats distributions aside

[wheat violet]

Preferably something you feel good playing with.

[blissful fractal]

Look at this beaut

God roll stats

[timid otter]

Do it

[serene sage]

perfect for Maelstrom

do it

[sour elbow]

If you have a team covering every base and people's weaknesses, that alone goes miles towards making things less miserable

[wheat violet]

For how much?

[timid otter]

Listen i saw someone bring a 22% first target weapon today

You can do it!

[serene sage]

the only thing I can say about that is that it's a plasma gun

that's it

it's a plasma gun

[timid otter]

Lets just ignore how dead that guy was

[south vessel]

I dunno, 2-2.5k

[wheat violet]

Well

[blissful fractal]

The best weapon besides a good ol fashion lasgun

[wheat violet]

You deal like 900-1000 with the slug.

[strange grove]

i still can't believe how much damage brautos do to rager swarms

too bad this thing sucks as a counter sniper

[wheat violet]

Helbore ftw

[serene sage]

my columnus rager ttk is a lil high

ngl

[wheat violet]

Tho if we ever get the Karskin lasgun

[gusty sonnet]

Half of the guns in a nutshell

[wheat violet]

I would rather build one myself

[blissful fractal]

Which helbore is the best in your opinion?

[wheat violet]

Yes. Gimme sec.

[blissful fractal]

This is my current las

[wheat violet]

https://youtu.be/CtibuNpNG_A?si=Rq08SBYbNjwCoqfT

Here

Chose one you will like the most

They are all good

You just need to get the right perks

[south vessel]

Buy one of each from Brunt and have a play in the Psyk

[serene sage]

which one is Enclavum Baross again?

[wheat violet]

Tho i would suggest MK 1 or 2

[serene sage]

what's the final event?

[upbeat yarrow]

saw this video earlier. It's a good breakdown

[sour elbow]

double check your talents-depending on your build, you might already be immune to suppression.

[wheat violet]

Simply because of the stabing instead of slashing the MK3 has

[strange grove]

HB3 deals wth Crushers more easier imo

But its slowwwwwwwwwwwwwww and its bayonet attack is trash

[wheat violet]

I use my sword for crushers

[thorny isle]

What is the skin on that

[fathom edge]

hows mk3?

[serene sage]

pretty good if your roll is good

[wheat violet]

Its not that big of a difference.

[wheat violet]

Also the MK3 chews more ammo for not that much more damage compared to MK1.

[whole moon]

Mk3 doesn't have the bayonette charge attack which is soooooo much fun

[wheat violet]

People should not forget that you are not locked into only using your primary weapon. You have a melee weapon too.

Idealy your secondary weapon should be the one filling in the shortcommings of your primary.

[wheat violet]

Charging most of the specialists and 1hitting them

[sharp ember]

bayonet charging dogs

[wheat violet]

Also staggering maulers, ragers etc. Is really nice

[whole moon]

And the ones you can't one hit you can shoot first then immediately stab

[wheat violet]

Just using it as a spear when they jump

[sharp ember]

i'd kill to replace my kantrael flashlight with a bayonet

whenever i'm on a roll with exe stance and there's some karker trying to swing at me

[viscid marlin]

the las pistol boss wrecker vid

[keen sedge]

Bayonet is the superior melee

[wheat violet]

The perk that gives you the 25% damage for 5s to your other weapon on kill is a must

Also you 1 shot poxwalkers

[whole moon]

Must try tomorrow!

[wheat violet]

With the bayonet

[wheat violet]

The bayonet triggers it. Its great

[viral nacelle]

Memes aside I was shocked how good bayonet was in melee 😂

[wheat violet]

More so in the hectic situations you get in Auric Damnation Malestorm missions.

[viral nacelle]

Way better than joke launch version

[keen sedge]

3 shot ogryns with focus target + bayonet

[sharp ember]

old bayonet taking like 4 headshot stabs to kill one scab bruiser

[wheat violet]

Yeah... It was bad at launch

[topaz lance]

had 5 Damnation runs go without hiccups today. Nice!
Columnus IAG is fun too, after some experimenting I decided that running it... wait for it... without keystones is my preferred way.

[wheat violet]

Thats why i only started playing with it again last week.

[keen sedge]

I would use krieg rifle more because Im a krieg lover...but can never get decent blessings

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-oh-my-god-i-get-it-gif-22328165

finally tried the revolver

[topaz lance]

welcome to the church of revolver

[keen sedge]

Revolver is when I dont feel like tryharding with colmnus

Or playing zealot

Colmnus + chainsword my beloved

[umbral scaffold]

for melee I'm just married to the ps (and knoife)

[wheat violet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/999047389082046487/1060611263727665213/arknights-skadi.gif

[whole moon]

Finished tonight w Laspistol chainsword combo. So many weapons to love

[wheat violet]

Chainsword is great

[keen sedge]

Anyway, back 2 work, 1 hour left

[sleek cairn]

rashad combat axe or go home

that is all

[echo pendant]

Does the long bomb achievement require you use basic frag grenades, or can you use shreaders?

[topaz lance]

It is

[wheat violet]

Well i usually just stab the enemy with the bayonet anyway.

But the crazy bleed stacks you can get on monstrocities and crushers...

[topaz lance]

I would use it if I got a good one

[blissful fractal]

the one that came w/the Steel Legion package

[blissful fractal]

I think I am

[terse idol]

oh my GOdd

I've seen the silent beast of nurgle spawn

And it was weakened because of that maelstrom

But like, we were fighting a full health CS, and this quiet beast of nurgle pukes on us behind

WHAT IS THIS

[deep igloo]

what is the best possible build for a mkv combat ax or is the other ones better

[wheat violet]

xD

[wheat violet]

A puppy that wants to play

Atleast one of the Psyker lines says it has mind of a puppy and it wants to play.

[terse idol]

yeeahh

That's pretty accurate for a beast of nurgle

😌

[raw turtle]

lets go brick it

[sour elbow]

well go check, you might be able to take a different blessing or talent. I prefer the talent, because I find I want the immunity when I'm lining up a shot for that gunner trying to suppress

[golden axle]

alright lads

discuss

[solemn niche]

after reading about it im also trying out the bayonet

I just did 174k boss damage in monster maelstrom

second place was ogryn with 47k lol

[tall torrent]

Would be hard to brick this one

[solemn niche]

hard, not impossible

[tall torrent]

He can make 2 changes and as long as the next perk isn’t something irrelevant, he’s fine

He can run PC4 + BM/Sunder as blessings

And if he just gets BM as a blessing, it’s impossible to be bricked

[raw turtle]

i gotta roll BM, Sunder or PC4 as blessings, lol... the first one was rampage 3

[stone birch]

the fixes to ET and CK are nice. together they make marksman vets A LOT more survivable.

[raw turtle]

out of plasteel

[golden axle]

these too

[raw turtle]

decapitator stacks from multiple kills?

[golden axle]

ye

[tall torrent]

U don’t, because u can mod 2 out of the 4 add-ons, so as long as the next perk isn’t bad you’re fine

[shell widget]

What's a good blessing combo for the humble shovel?

[raw turtle]

yeah, gotta roll good perk of good blessing

[raw turtle]

decimator and skullcrusher probably

[light sequoia]

So by the Emperor's demands, I have returned to this game.

Is this place still full of Krieg memes?

[stone birch]

not really.

[raw turtle]

i gotta have carapace damage to one shot crushers, right?

[tall torrent]

Uncanny strike + decimator / take a swing + all or nothing

[quasi glade]

is Sunder worth it?

[tall torrent]

You can somewhat mitigate that if you have tag keystone high stacks

[tall torrent]

Better than brutal momentum against hordes mixed with elites

Worse than brutal momentum for pure horde clear

[quasi glade]

What about compared to Wrath?

[raw turtle]

slaughterer is really good too on power sword.. ppl stopped using it?

[tall torrent]

Don’t

[tall torrent]

Not as good as brutal momentum

[shell widget]

Ty

[tall torrent]

Brutal momentum best
Sunder is worse but has its applications
Rampage and slaughterer just not as good

[solemn niche]

behold the power of bayonet (24seconds chaos spawn kill) https://streamable.com/mefmhr

[whole moon]

Here's a weird tip I noticed. If yout try to put your Hellbore away with a half empty mag when you swap back you can bypass the ready animation by reloading which is a LOT quicker

[tall torrent]

Can u show a clip

[whole moon]

I'm in bed now sorry

Just pop off a couple of rounds, change to melee, change back and immediately reload

[trim steppe]

Damn that's legit

[steep vault]

is level 29 n 30 the same gearscore drop

[sleek cairn]

wtf tree are u using

lol

not wep swap bonuses, nothing

[steep vault]

cuz I'm sitting on 9000 plasteel n 5000 diamantine

[sleek cairn]

just pure poke

[steep vault]

and I have the docket to do stuff

[shell widget]

For clarification, is Uncanny+Decimator geared for dealing with Armour while Take a Swing+All or Nothing is geared towards horde clear?

[stone birch]

just spent 7k melk bucks for surgical 4 on Helbores for my blessing library and shattering impact 4 for bolters. Good day.

[tall torrent]

both are towards both

[solemn niche]

I'll have you know my tree was suggested to me by experienced reddit user on reddit

[tall torrent]

Because shovel’s push attack (consumes stamina) does very high damage on weakpoint

Mixed with take a swing

It can cook ragers

In 2 hits

[sick marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/apex-apex-legends-meme-gif-20316120

[trim steppe]

Idk, I think it scales linearly with some range, so there's probably some overlap but 30 provides consistently higher. The max weapon base is 380 and anything above 350 is pretty solid

[south vessel]

Ty, worked great and best of all I didn't have to think

[thorny isle]

Thanks

[quasi glade]

lmao thank you 😄

[blissful fractal]

whats the best way to earn blessings?

[midnight mortar]

Buy weapons from Brunt's Armory -> Sell anything lower than a 360+ base rating -> Consecrate the weapons with a base rating of 360+ -> Have fun hoping the slot machine rewards you -> Run out of plasteel -> Run missions -> Repeat.

[trim steppe]

shop at melk's daily, upgrade greens to blues for cheaper blessings (mostly T3s, some T4s), or go for broke and spend all your plasteel making oranges for higher chances at T4 blessings

[gaunt steppe]

bruh i missed three shots out of 78 with this shotgun and still no MESC completion

[shell widget]

Buy from Sire Melk or craft spam up to orange tier and recycle the blessing you might get from the weapons

[trim steppe]

Has there been testing/confirmation that higher base ratings = higher chance at t4 blessings? Months ago I heard 350+ and it seems true but idk if thats ever been confirmed

[shell widget]

Sounds about right, cuz in my veteran grind to 30 I didn't see a single tier 3 blessing until my weapons started reaching ~280

[whole moon]

Saw another tactic since that's not helping, use a revolver w low ammo and unload into bulwark shield

[slow spade]

lol the red arrow was for a joke I just never removed it

[gaunt steppe]

shotguns clearly do not work then

[slow spade]

and no problem comrade, its what I use in Auric maelstroms

[shell widget]

Wait that counts???

[slow spade]

they shoot for me though, clearly they work UwU

[gaunt steppe]

praying for pallets to count

[gaunt steppe]

[whole moon]

I have been told it does, I got mine w the Kantrael shotty tho

[trim steppe]

Thanks Brunt

[tropic imp]

Just use plasma, its impossible to miss

[trim steppe]

I got my MESC penance done with the revolver, just blast it into hordes and then once you run out of both chamber and reserve ammo (0/0) switch to your melee and never switch back. Even if you generate more from survivalist it will count as being empty. EZ

[whole moon]

While it took me three tries (one of which I was sure I was robbed) it did eventually work for me. Not gonna add EZ but, keep tryin reject, you CAN do this!

[sharp ember]

alright guardsmen i'm back with a finished first draft of a ranged weapon primer for newbie vets

it's rather long

[sinful palm]

I have an agripina mk 8 with 80 on all stats beside power witch is 65

[sharp ember]

Please let me know if there are any typos, missing details, or other suggestions you might have

((MASSIVE TEXT DUMP INBOUND))

[shell widget]

Um...boss, would a text file be OK?

Like are my eyes going to get slapped by a tuna level of text?

[sharp ember]

Maybe, I was planning of replacing the one in the pinned posts

it is a big tuna yeah

let's try a text document first

[shell widget]

Oh

[shell widget]

Decent

[sharp ember]

oh wow

I formatted it to use discord's text options but that's just the raw characters

[shell widget]

Plus it's in a file so I can save this and have a quick reference without hiring the Administratum to scour through weeks of discord chat

[sharp ember]

I'll reformat it and to make it more visually appealing in that file

in a 2nd post

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Ty

[sharp ember]

only concern is that i won't be able to actively edit it in a text file

that's fine I'll just bother the wardens with every new version

[shell widget]

Oh. Yeha that uhh...hmm.

The way they have the Ogrynomicon set up is in a Google Drive file with very limited permissions

[brave scarab]

anyone got a decent shout build

[whole moon]

If the Ogryns have the Orgynomicon, what have you just birthed for the Veterans? (Great synopsis by the way altho I did just scan a lot of it)

[sharp ember]

in the spirit of the imperial guard, a Ranged Weapon Uplifting Primer

[echo jewel]

Goddamn I despise on over watch

[tall torrent]

I think IAGs can add a bunch of other blessings on there, they’re truly versatile workhorse weapons

They’re just generally very forgiving in terms of how u build because out of the 10 available blessings, 6 are good:
Dum dum
Deathspitter
Fire frenzy
Hit & run
Raking fire
Stripped down

[sharp ember]

sure I'll put the ones I omitted in, was afraid of making it too long but

looks at the whole document

wouldn't hurt

[amber cliff]

lamoooooo

imagine if you could get rending on that

[tall torrent]

Good luck lol
I can help with some agripinaa mk1 breakpoints (this gun hits a surprising amount of breakpoints)

[vivid bolt]

someone pin fr fr

[sharp ember]

I won't delve into any breakpoint setups, it's mostly just a brief description of each gun for new players

[sharp ember]

and basic recommendations

[grand sable]

is no respite good for helbores

[sharp ember]

it's good and works with bayonets, but Onslaught + Surgical just provides way more damage overall, so No Respite took a backseat

reformatted text file almost done, just proofreading

[grand sable]

cool, thanks

[golden axle]

thoughts on anything that needs changing? I assume carapace.

[hybrid torrent]

Anybdoy still like using the vraks mk 3 headhunter? Imo, one of the best ranged weapons for taking down bosses.

[tall torrent]

It’s still good but I think to make the most of it you really want suppression immunity otherwise the gunners can screw you over pretty hard, so it’s a little point heavy there

[gaunt steppe]

bruh is MSEC still 100% accuracy and it just says 90% in the description for no reason

this shit aint workin

[whole moon]

I would do Cara to Flak yeah, very nice Columnus, happy hunting o7

[hybrid torrent]

Not a problem when I play with supression imumunity on vet. I cannot recall, but doesn't Dance of Death on zealot also help out on zealot when being suppressed.

[sharp ember]

alright 2nd version of primer rolling out, reformatted for text file readability

Veteran's Ranged Weapons Primer

[idle carbon]

I'm levelling my 6th character, 3rd veteran in 700 hours so I can play as the cadian for once
and I'm reminded of just how clueless low-levels are, bleh

[golden axle]

you should see some high levels

[astral blade]

what is dis?

[idle carbon]

at least they have the sense to stick together instead of running all around the arena at carnival (most of the time lol)
it's like herding cats I swear

[whole moon]

<@&735928989146939404> don't mean to be a pain but would you pin this to the channel pls?

[turbid wave]

[sharp ember]

it's a writeup of every gun available to veteran that briefly describes each weapon and any notable qualities they have

[astral blade]

oh ok

hey whats best with the agrip IGA

blessing wise

[ruby fulcrum]

Dumdum and your pick really.

Raking fire, sustained fire(surprisingly decent, good if you already have it, but i wouldnt put it on over the other options here.), fire frenzy, stripped down. All good

[raw turtle]

one more upgrade to go... can still brick it or 10 elite is fine?

[hybrid torrent]

May Hadron bless you with power cycler IV

[raw turtle]

10% elite seems fine if blessing sucks

at least its 35% damage to ragers, lol

[serene sage]

isnt 10% elite some kind of brweakpoints

[tall torrent]

It’s fine

You got 2 good perks

You can afford to modify both blessings

[thorny isle]

This is awesome!

[shell widget]

Any chance you're whipping up a melee version of that?

[sharp ember]

not at the moment, I felt it was more important to describe the general qualities of ranged weapons and any hard-to-notice quirks they might have

[shell widget]

Cuz so far the worst problem I'm having as vet is figuring out what melee weapon can actually function when I don't have space to shoot or reload

[willow badger]

what do

swap unarmored?

[thorn yoke]

For "I don't have space" weapon I still use an Antax

[amber cliff]

do u have the rending perk?

blessing*

[sharp ember]

my personal comfort weapons are chainsword, devil claw, and shovel. But I do bring combat axes if my gun lacks anti-armor

[amber cliff]

hand cannons the name? can't remeber

[thorn yoke]

my power sword is also specced for "I don't have space" with Rampager

[willow badger]

which one that

[amber cliff]

hand cannon is the name iirc

and put surgical on as well

thats basically what you want

[sharp ember]

but man that ogrynomicon is a work of art

[bitter turtle]

powersword makes a lot of space

knife is good for running away lul

[thorn yoke]

Rampage on a Power Sword with good damage will get you enough space to charge for energized swings

[gentle prawn]

helbore lasgun is a melee weapon

[thorn yoke]

^

Backdash + bayonet pokes will get you some space, but have to switch to real melee if there are too many walkers

[midnight mortar]

Imagine a knife zealot and a plasma/knife vet in the same lobby...

Why.

[devout atlas]

why the fuck plasma + knife

[sharp ember]

air-cooling the plasma guns by runnning fast

[devout atlas]

I only use knife on my agri brauto and lawbringer builds because they have enough horde-clear with ranged

knife+revolver vets/zealots piss me off like dawg those 3 incendiaries don't make it up

[whole moon]

I was trying to get the love going w shotty/knife. Pretty much ended up as a cracked out knife wielding lunatic and nothing else but it was fun

[devout atlas]

It's quite decent if you get a cohesive team. surprisingly agri brauto plus knife works as when things get too dense for knife to handle a short burst from agri brauto deletes

been using that with exec stance and having a blast

idk about other brautos since agri has highest cleave

[shell widget]

Right now I'm in love with the shovel for how fast I can spam heavies and the special attack that guarantees a stagger on anything that isn't a boss or bulwark shield

[thorn yoke]

Well, at least vets in theory have more grenades than zealots

[sleek cairn]

Brutal Momentum.

[devout atlas]

shredders aren't rlly good horde-clear, trash compared to incendiaries

they're great for ripping apart packs of elites and securing revives

[sonic grove]

Are there any builds that make really good use of serrated edge? I have a melee build that includes agile engagement and SE is right there

was curious if it's good for anything

[devout atlas]

you want a knife with mercy killer and uncanny strikes

that's quite literally the only synergy that talent has

[sonic grove]

I have never seen uncanny strikes in my life, but I think I have mercy killer 4 available

[thorn yoke]

used to run brutal momentum, but rampage has been working better for me in a small sample size?

[sonic grove]

from knife builds on old zealot

[tall torrent]

You take serrated edge in 2 cases:

1. You’re running mercy killer + uncanny strike knife
2. You somehow have the point to spare for onslaught which can get stacks from bleed DoT

[devout atlas]

uncanny is just one of those must haves on knives rn. helps massively with carapace and maulers

[sonic grove]

Really wish I'd gotten it on any weapon

[sharp ember]

stabbing out a crusher's eyeballs with an uncanny knife

[elder vessel]

this is the 6th bricked shotgun im gonna lose my fucken mind

[strange ledge]

Spare talent points? In this economy? 🫥

[sonic grove]

Bricked?

Isn't scattershot like, an okay blessing? I use it on a lawbringer

[devout atlas]

but yeah uncanny + mercy is actually very very good even if getting there is talent heavy

[elder vessel]

I want fire frenzy and full bore

[sonic grove]

Pair it with manstopper to shred hordes

[devout atlas]

it's meta on lawbringer lmao

[tall torrent]

Scattershot needs man-stopper or flechette

[devout atlas]

yuh

[sonic grove]

I should try flechette

[devout atlas]

I like flechette, makes it very reliable

[sonic grove]

Flechette + bleed build on the knife

maximum bleed

[devout atlas]

that's actually what I run lmao

[tall torrent]

I want this IAG skin

[sonic grove]

I just enjoy inventing ways for melee vet to be viable

[tall torrent]

Melee vet is very strong rn

[devout atlas]

it's actually very decent, you can get 1k kills on auric maelstroms without much thought

[sonic grove]

Power sword and revolver kicks a lot of ass

Axe and shotgun

[elder vessel]

I like knife and Shotgun

[sonic grove]

I can try that next

Melee vet and gun zealot, that's what I spend my time on

[devout atlas]

I'm a big fan of mk2 tacaxe, if you grab both melee damage talents it reaches the bruiser breakpoint for brutal momentum horde-clear

it also fucks really hard with weapon specialists attack speed boosts

[sonic grove]

Gun zealot is a little less effective but it's a lot of fun to play a support role

[sleek cairn]

u mean OP

melee vet is OP

[devout atlas]

I run tax2 with revy/plasma

melee vet isn't op

[elder vessel]

Melee Vet with Chaxe

[devout atlas]

it's the only playstyle that isn't underpowered

[tall torrent]

Very strong for sure, once u get the true godroll weapons

But the time it takes to get the true godroll weapons is pain

[devout atlas]

lvl 30 zealot and realise melee vet is just ok

[sonic grove]

Can melee vet make the chainaxe work?

[sleek cairn]

alright

[devout atlas]

not really no

[elder vessel]

nobody can make the chain axe work

[sonic grove]

why must it suck so much

[tall torrent]

Once u get a true godroll Rashad axe, it’s over